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Austerity Street: middle-class town Orpington makes do with 12 charity shops
and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
2013-07-15 22:30:20 UTC
Austerity Street: middle-class town Orpington makes do
with 12 charity shops

Austerity is hitting the high streets of the most
prosperous towns after a sharp rise in the number of
charity shops fuelled by smaller shops going bust.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10178617/Austerity-Street-middle-class-town-Orpington-makes-do-with-12-charity-shops.html

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abelard
2013-07-16 09:00:39 UTC
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Austerity Street: middle-class town Orpington makes do
with 12 charity shops
Austerity is hitting the high streets of the most
prosperous towns after a sharp rise in the number of
charity shops fuelled by smaller shops going bust.
sane people call it 'recycling'
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10178617/Austerity-Street-middle-class-town-Orpington-makes-do-with-12-charity-shops.html
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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yttiw
2013-07-16 10:15:41 UTC
Post by abelard
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Austerity Street: middle-class town Orpington makes do
with 12 charity shops
Austerity is hitting the high streets of the most
prosperous towns after a sharp rise in the number of
charity shops fuelled by smaller shops going bust.
sane people call it 'recycling'
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10178617/Austerity-Street-middle-class-town-Orpington-makes-do-with-12-charity-shops.html
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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Presumably, the snobby Telegraph's idea of being middle class is that
one never buys second hand items.

How quaint.
abelard
2013-07-16 10:20:46 UTC
Post by yttiw
Post by abelard
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Austerity Street: middle-class town Orpington makes do
with 12 charity shops
Austerity is hitting the high streets of the most
prosperous towns after a sharp rise in the number of
charity shops fuelled by smaller shops going bust.
sane people call it 'recycling'
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10178617/Austerity-Street-middle-class-town-Orpington-makes-do-with-12-charity-shops.html
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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Presumably, the snobby Telegraph's idea of being middle class is that
one never buys second hand items.
How quaint.
quaint well describes the smellygraph

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Bay-Area-Collector-to-Auction-Off-Wizard-of-Oz-Dress-215556551.html
"Actress Debbie Reynolds owned another version of the dress that was
also used during the movie's first two weeks of filming. That dress
was auctioned off in 2011 for $910,000.

Filmmaker George Cukor briefly worked on the movie and revamped
Dorothy's dress and styled Garland's brunette hair in pigtails to
better portray a young girl from Kansas.

In the final version of the 1939 film under director Victor Fleming,
Garland wore the now-iconic blue gingham dress with a white
puff-sleeved blouse. The on-screen garment was auctioned off Profiles
in History in 2011 for $230,000."
Bill
2013-07-16 11:03:09 UTC
Post by yttiw
Presumably, the snobby Telegraph's idea of being middle class is that
one never buys second hand items.
Except, of course, books and paintings and furniture and anything
marked as 'antique'.
yttiw
2013-07-16 11:31:02 UTC
Post by Bill
Post by yttiw
Presumably, the snobby Telegraph's idea of being middle class is that
one never buys second hand items.
Except, of course, books and paintings and furniture and anything
marked as 'antique'.
Ah yes, but the buyers will see themselves as collectors, and their
purchases as investments.
Bill
2013-07-16 12:07:11 UTC
Post by yttiw
Post by Bill
Post by yttiw
Presumably, the snobby Telegraph's idea of being middle class is that
one never buys second hand items.
Except, of course, books and paintings and furniture and anything
marked as 'antique'.
Ah yes, but the buyers will see themselves as collectors, and their
purchases as investments.
As a general rule they don't.

People who buy old books read them and people who buy old furniture
use it and people who buy old paintings hang them on their walls.

And, with one or two exceptional exceptions, anyone who bought a
painting painted in the past thirty years who expected to make money
on it has a nasty shock coming...
JNugent
2013-07-16 13:40:10 UTC
Post by Bill
Post by yttiw
Presumably, the snobby Telegraph's idea of being middle class is that
one never buys second hand items.
Except, of course, books and paintings and furniture and anything
marked as 'antique'.
There is also the uniquely middle- and upper-class concept of the dress
agency.

I sometimes see a current TV ad which mentions a "vintage dress", which
I assume means a secondhand article from an identifiably past period.
Bill
2013-07-16 14:02:36 UTC
Post by JNugent
Post by Bill
Post by yttiw
Presumably, the snobby Telegraph's idea of being middle class is that
one never buys second hand items.
Except, of course, books and paintings and furniture and anything
marked as 'antique'.
There is also the uniquely middle- and upper-class concept of the dress
agency.
I sometimes see a current TV ad which mentions a "vintage dress", which
I assume means a secondhand article from an identifiably past period.
Very few pieces of clothing of reasonable quality are from an
unidentifiable past period.

Even Levi jeans can be dated with some accuracy...
and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
2013-07-17 18:33:53 UTC
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Austerity Street: middle-class town Orpington makes do
with 12 charity shops
Austerity is hitting the high streets of the most
prosperous towns after a sharp rise in the number of
charity shops fuelled by smaller shops going bust.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10178617/Austerity-Street-middle-class-town-Orpington-makes-do-with-12-charity-shops.html

View map here:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02617/Orpington-Charity-_2617393a.jpg

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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Phi
2013-07-17 19:10:01 UTC
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Austerity Street: middle-class town Orpington makes do
with 12 charity shops
Austerity is hitting the high streets of the most
prosperous towns after a sharp rise in the number of
charity shops fuelled by smaller shops going bust.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10178617/Austerity-Street-middle-class-town-Orpington-makes-do-with-12-charity-shops.html
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02617/Orpington-Charity-_2617393a.jpg
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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Every ten years since 1940 there has been a recession or monetary crisis,
where the ordinary man has had to tighten his belt because of government
mismanagement. Why do we put up with these oiks time and time again ?
All the highly paid economists pay lip service to maintaining a steady
economy, but there seems to be a deliberate policy of creating unecessary
fiscal problems.
JNugent
2013-07-17 19:13:18 UTC
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Austerity Street: middle-class town Orpington makes do
with 12 charity shops
Austerity is hitting the high streets of the most
prosperous towns after a sharp rise in the number of
charity shops fuelled by smaller shops going bust.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10178617/Austerity-Street-middle-class-town-Orpington-makes-do-with-12-charity-shops.html
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02617/Orpington-Charity-_2617393a.jpg
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.jai-maharaj
The purpose of charity shops is to raise money for charity.

You'll always be able to raise more money where there is more money to
start with.
Tired
2013-07-17 20:26:53 UTC
***@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
:: Austerity Street: middle-class town Orpington makes do
:: with 12 charity shops
::
:: Austerity is hitting the high streets of the most
:: prosperous towns after a sharp rise in the number of
:: charity shops fuelled by smaller shops going bust.

Why would the government slowing down the increases in public spending cause
this? What piffle.
abelard
2013-07-18 10:36:00 UTC
Post by Tired
:: Austerity Street: middle-class town Orpington makes do
:: with 12 charity shops
:: Austerity is hitting the high streets of the most
:: prosperous towns after a sharp rise in the number of
:: charity shops fuelled by smaller shops going bust.
Why would the government slowing down the increases in public spending cause
this? What piffle.
more likely no commercial operation can afford the socialist taxes and
rents on the shops
Cynic
2013-07-18 12:47:58 UTC
Post by Tired
:: Austerity is hitting the high streets of the most
:: prosperous towns after a sharp rise in the number of
:: charity shops fuelled by smaller shops going bust.
Why would the government slowing down the increases in public spending cause
this? What piffle.
Because there are a lot of manufacturers and other businesses that
rely on government contracts. Even when the business in question does
not have a high-street presence, it has a knock-on effect in several
ways.

Take a small cafe on the high street of a small town as an example. A
major employer in the town is an industrial metalworking company. The
government cuts down on what it gives to Local Authorities and the
council decides to postpone erecting the lamp-posts it had planned to
put up, and leave all the weather-worn road signs as they are for
another couple of years instead of replacing them. The council also
increases its business rates to make up the shortfall.

The metalwork company would have been contracted to make many of the
component parts for lamp-posts and road signs, and its business falls
off. It makes half its employees redundant. Those employees can no
longer afford their regular coffees and meals at the cafe, so the
tables become empty, and the loss of customers in combination withthe
increase in rates pushes the cafe owner's books into the red, so he
closes the cafe.
--
Cynic
Andy Walker
2013-07-18 18:59:03 UTC
Post by Cynic
Take a small cafe on the high street of a small town as an example.
[...] The council also
increases its business rates to make up the shortfall.
A small cafe in a small town is likely to be a small business
[rateable value < £18K], and qualify for some form of rate relief --
currently 100% if the RV is < £6K. Ie, many small high-street shops
[inc cafes] will currently pay *no business rates at all*, esp if the
proprietor has only the one business. Both the RV and the multiplier
[which converts RVs into the actual rates] are set nationally, not
by "the council".
--
Andy Walker,
Nottingham.
yttiw
2013-07-18 20:55:50 UTC
Post by Bill
Post by yttiw
Post by Bill
Post by yttiw
Presumably, the snobby Telegraph's idea of being middle class is that
one never buys second hand items.
Except, of course, books and paintings and furniture and anything
marked as 'antique'.
Ah yes, but the buyers will see themselves as collectors, and their
purchases as investments.
As a general rule they don't.
People who buy old books read them and people who buy old furniture
use it and people who buy old paintings hang them on their walls.
You must know the entire adult population of the UK personally in order
to be able to make such a statement.
Post by Bill
And, with one or two exceptional exceptions, anyone who bought a
painting painted in the past thirty years who expected to make money
on it has a nasty shock coming...
Maybe for you, but I was thinking more of antiques.

Presumably one of your exceptional exceptions included these people?

http://www.theartnewspaper.com/articles/Eyebrow-raising-price-hikes-for-Polish-artists/26652
Bill
2013-07-18 21:33:59 UTC
Post by yttiw
Post by Bill
Post by yttiw
Post by Bill
Post by yttiw
Presumably, the snobby Telegraph's idea of being middle class is that
one never buys second hand items.
Except, of course, books and paintings and furniture and anything
marked as 'antique'.
Ah yes, but the buyers will see themselves as collectors, and their
purchases as investments.
As a general rule they don't.
People who buy old books read them and people who buy old furniture
use it and people who buy old paintings hang them on their walls.
You must know the entire adult population of the UK personally in order
to be able to make such a statement.
I know enough of them to make a case.
Post by yttiw
Post by Bill
And, with one or two exceptional exceptions, anyone who bought a
painting painted in the past thirty years who expected to make money
on it has a nasty shock coming...
Maybe for you, but I was thinking more of antiques.
Presumably one of your exceptional exceptions included these people?
http://www.theartnewspaper.com/articles/Eyebrow-raising-price-hikes-for-Polish-artists/26652
Even they say it's 'eyebrow raising'.

Chances are that it's actually some form of money laundering.

The art and antiques world is about as bent as it gets for businesses
that are allowed to operate in retail premises.

It's considered quite legitimate to make fakes for resale without
modern marks.
Tired
2013-07-18 22:10:35 UTC
Cynic wrote:
:: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 21:26:53 +0100, "Tired" <***@no.com> wrote:
::
::::: Austerity is hitting the high streets of the most
::::: prosperous towns after a sharp rise in the number of
::::: charity shops fuelled by smaller shops going bust.
::
::: Why would the government slowing down the increases in public
::: spending cause this? What piffle.
::
:: Because there are a lot of manufacturers and other businesses that
:: rely on government contracts. Even when the business in question
:: does not have a high-street presence, it has a knock-on effect in
:: several ways.

Public spending has never been higher. How did they cope six years ago when
public spending was 5% less of gdp?


:: The
:: council also increases its business rates to make up the shortfall.
::

LOL.

Tell me which council has increased business rates.
AlanG
2013-07-19 06:40:49 UTC
Post by Tired
::::: Austerity is hitting the high streets of the most
::::: prosperous towns after a sharp rise in the number of
::::: charity shops fuelled by smaller shops going bust.
::: Why would the government slowing down the increases in public
::: spending cause this? What piffle.
:: Because there are a lot of manufacturers and other businesses that
:: rely on government contracts. Even when the business in question
:: does not have a high-street presence, it has a knock-on effect in
:: several ways.
Public spending has never been higher. How did they cope six years ago when
public spending was 5% less of gdp?
:: The
:: council also increases its business rates to make up the shortfall.
LOL.
Tell me which council has increased business rates.
Any implementing a business improvement district.

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