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On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 20:04:20 +0100, Ted
Post by Ted
"China warns North Korea: You’re on your own if you go after the
"China won’t come to North Korea’s help if it launches missiles
threatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-owned
newspaper warned on Friday, but it would intervene if Washington
The Global Times newspaper is not an official mouthpiece of the
Communist Party, but in this case its editorial probably does reflect
government policy and can be considered “semiofficial,” experts said."
The full Chinese position is that if the US attacks NK first then China
certainly will step in.
easy there with the 'certainty' jibe
BEIJING (Reuters) - If North Korea launches an attack that threatens the
United States then China should stay neutral, but if the United States
attacks first and tries to overthrow North Korea's government China will
stop them, a Chinese state-run newspaper said on Friday.
'will stop them' weren't the words used
Post by SeaSnake
The widely read state-run Global Times, published by the ruling
Communist Party's official People's Daily, wrote in an editorial that
Beijing is not able to persuade either Washington or Pyongyang to back down.
so they say
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"It needs to make clear its stance to all sides and make them understand
that when their actions jeopardize China's interests, China will respond
with a firm hand," said the paper, which does not represent government
Post by SeaSnake
"China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles that
threaten U.S. soil first and the U.S. retaliates, China will stay
neutral," it added.
"If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the
North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean
Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so."
'to overthrow the n. k. regime'
don't over interpret words...
esp at the level of international diplomacy/squabbles
Post by SeaSnake
China has long worried that any conflict on the Korean peninsula, or a
repeat of the 1950-53 Korean war, could unleash a wave of destabilizing
refugees into its northeast, and could end up with a reunified county
allied with the United States.
and the usa and china are now heavily linked economies...
a lot has changed since the '50s
It has, but I generally trust Reuters to get the story straight.
i trust nothing...
Your call, one needs to be able to accept some reports as being an
eyewitness to the DPRK is a death sentence for the average man.
i don't doubt that caligula's state is a vile place
None of us does...but did you know:
It never got paid for the Volvos, but could Sweden mediate with North Korea?
STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden has not yet been paid by North Korea for
the hundreds of Volvo sedans it imported in the 1970s and which can
still be seen on the streets of the communist country.
While the deal was not the commercial success Sweden had hoped for, it
serves as a reminder of its long involvement in North Korea. This raises
the question of whether Sweden could use its special relationship to act
as an intermediary in the nuclear crisis between North Korea and the
The United States has no formal diplomatic relations with North Korea,
limiting the options for the two sides to reduce tensions over North
Korea's missile and nuclear weapons programs.
Sweden, however, plays a crucial diplomatic role with the secretive
government in North Korea, most often seen when it acts on behalf of the
West when Westerners get into trouble.
Ulv Hanssen, Research Assistant and Associate Fellow at the Swedish
Institute of International Affairs, said it was not unthinkable that
Sweden could act as an intermediary between Washington and Pyongyang in
the current crisis.
"Sweden has done so on numerous occasions before, especially in relation
to imprisoned Americans," he said.
"Acting as a mediator between two states on the brink of war is
unquestionably a very demanding task, but Sweden has the advantage of
enjoying the trust of not only Washington, but also Pyongyang," he added.
The Swedish Foreign Ministry declined to comment.
Sweden's role in the release of Canadian pastor Hyeon Soo Lim this month
and of U.S. student Otto Warmbier earlier this year reflects historical
connections that go back nearly half a century to the end of the Korean
War, a legacy no other country in the West can match.
North and South Korea are still technically at war, but Sweden is a
member of the Neutral Nations Supervisory Commission, which was set up
to oversee the armistice, undertake inspections, observe military
exercises and promote trust between the two sides.
Analysts say that while Pyongyang remains deeply suspicious of the West,
Sweden's neutral status has helped it to play an albeit limited role as
"honest broker" with the North.
Sweden was the first Western European nation to establish diplomatic
relations with the North, in 1973, and the first to set up an embassy in
Pyongyang in 1975.
During the period, Sweden was critical of the Vietnam War and was a
major player in the non-aligned movement, gaining credibility as an
independent actor on the international stage.
"DIALOGUE AND INTERACTIONS"
Sweden distributes large amounts of humanitarian aid in North Korea,
channeling the money through the United Nations, the Red Cross and other
Stockholm has also been host and sponsor of talks between U.S. and North
Korean representatives. These are not direct talks between the two
governments, but conducted by academics and current and former State
After Pastor Lim's release, Swedish Foreign Minister Margot Wallstrom
said: "Our presence in North Korea enables us to engage in dialogue and
interactions. We take this role very seriously."
One diplomat said the relationship between Sweden and North Korea was
mostly consular, not aimed at ways to find a solution to the nuclear crisis.
A source with knowledge of the matter said the United States needed
someone who can deal with consular issues and Sweden can do that with
the consent of the North Koreans.
"Generally, the North Koreans are very stringent. You can't just charge
in and get what you want. You can't make demands of them," the source said.
But the source also made clear that Sweden's role is not purely consular.
"Sweden has been able to share information with the major players in the
region and we are still doing that. We have mainly acted as a source of
information and made sure that information reaches the most important
actors," the source added.
At the moment, Washington and Pyongyang maintain contacts through their
United Nations missions, their embassies in Beijing and meetings between
military officers at Panmunjom, where the Korean War truce was signed.
As for the Volvos, they seem to be doing well more than 40 years on. The
Swedish embassy in Pyongyang last October tweeted a picture of one of
the cars in use as a taxi in the city of Chongjin with almost 500,000 km
on the clock and "still unpaid for" by the North Koreans.