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Americans Die Younger Despite Spending the Most on Health Care
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No Healthcare For YOU!!
2018-01-12 02:21:13 UTC
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Americans Die Younger Despite Spending the Most on Health Care
By Laurie Meisler
August 2, 2017
Typically, the more a developed country spends on health care, the longer its
people live. The U.S., which spends the most on health care, bucks that
trend. Compared to the 35 countries in the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development, which promotes policies to improve social and
economic well-being, the U.S. life expectancy of 78.8 years ranks 27th. It
has the fourth highest infant mortality rate in the OECD, the sixth highest
maternal mortality rate and the ninth highest likelihood of dying at a
younger age from a host of ailments, including cardiovascular disease and
cancer.

The U.S. is the most obese country in the OECD, leads in drug-related deaths
and ranks 33rd in prevalence of diabetes. Yet 88 percent of Americans say
they are in good or very good health, according to OECD statistics. Only 35
percent of Japanese, who have the highest life expectancy in the OECD, regard
themselves as healthy or very healthy.

Unlike other countries in the OECD, the U.S. mostly relies on voluntary
health insurance to fund health-care costs. Public health insurance, such as
Medicare and Medicaid, accounts for 27 percent of coverage. By contrast, the
10 countries with the highest life expectancy depend on voluntary insurance
for an average of less than 6 percent of their costs, and government spending
for nearly half.

One big reason U.S. health care costs are so high: pharmaceutical spending.
The U.S. spends more per capita on prescription medicines and over-the-
counter products than any other country in the OECD.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-health-care-spending/
abelard
2018-01-12 09:20:04 UTC
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Americans Die Younger Despite Spending the Most on Health Care
By Laurie Meisler
August 2, 2017
Typically, the more a developed country spends on health care, the longer its
people live.
where is your evidence?

public health measures such as water treatment, diet, exercise and
vaccination are far more important than 'health care'
Post by No Healthcare For YOU!!
The U.S., which spends the most on health care, bucks that
trend. Compared to the 35 countries in the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development, which promotes policies to improve social and
economic well-being, the U.S. life expectancy of 78.8 years ranks 27th.
they also spend more on hamburgers
Post by No Healthcare For YOU!!
It
has the fourth highest infant mortality rate in the OECD, the sixth highest
maternal mortality rate
nonsense, they have a more strict definition of live birth
Post by No Healthcare For YOU!!
and the ninth highest likelihood of dying at a
younger age from a host of ailments, including cardiovascular disease and
cancer.
more nonsense...they have a high survival rate...
fat increases risk of just about all diseases including cancer..
their survival rate is high on like for like

america also has at least 10-15 million illegals, mostly from third
world countries

you are a very dishonest and cowardly poster
Post by No Healthcare For YOU!!
The U.S. is the most obese country in the OECD, leads in drug-related deaths
and ranks 33rd in prevalence of diabetes. Yet 88 percent of Americans say
they are in good or very good health, according to OECD statistics. Only 35
percent of Japanese, who have the highest life expectancy in the OECD, regard
themselves as healthy or very healthy.
Unlike other countries in the OECD, the U.S. mostly relies on voluntary
health insurance to fund health-care costs. Public health insurance, such as
Medicare and Medicaid, accounts for 27 percent of coverage. By contrast, the
10 countries with the highest life expectancy depend on voluntary insurance
for an average of less than 6 percent of their costs, and government spending
for nearly half.
where is your evidence?

if gov't spends 'nearly half', where does the rest come from?
the money tree?
Post by No Healthcare For YOU!!
One big reason U.S. health care costs are so high: pharmaceutical spending.
The U.S. spends more per capita on prescription medicines and over-the-
counter products than any other country in the OECD.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-health-care-spending/
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johnny-knowall
2018-01-12 09:56:26 UTC
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Americans Die Younger Despite Spending the Most on Health Care
By Laurie Meisler
August 2, 2017
Typically, the more a developed country spends on health care, the longer its
people live.
where is your evidence?
public health measures such as water treatment, diet, exercise and
vaccination are far more important than 'health care'
Isn’t vaccination part of healthcare?
Post by abelard
Post by No Healthcare For YOU!!
The U.S., which spends the most on health care, bucks that
trend. Compared to the 35 countries in the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development, which promotes policies to improve social and
economic well-being, the U.S. life expectancy of 78.8 years ranks 27th.
they also spend more on hamburgers
Which, rather strangely, seem to contain 0% ham.
Post by abelard
Post by No Healthcare For YOU!!
It
has the fourth highest infant mortality rate in the OECD, the sixth highest
maternal mortality rate
nonsense, they have a more strict definition of live birth
What, births that are alive? Surely not?
Post by abelard
Post by No Healthcare For YOU!!
and the ninth highest likelihood of dying at a
younger age from a host of ailments, including cardiovascular disease and
cancer.
more nonsense...they have a high survival rate...
fat increases risk of just about all diseases including cancer..
their survival rate is high on like for like
america also has at least 10-15 million illegals, mostly from third
world countries
Ah yes, so its the fault of the illegals (who must be socialists) again?
Post by abelard
you are a very dishonest and cowardly poster
Post by No Healthcare For YOU!!
The U.S. is the most obese country in the OECD, leads in drug-related deaths
and ranks 33rd in prevalence of diabetes. Yet 88 percent of Americans say
they are in good or very good health, according to OECD statistics. Only 35
percent of Japanese, who have the highest life expectancy in the OECD, regard
themselves as healthy or very healthy.
Unlike other countries in the OECD, the U.S. mostly relies on voluntary
health insurance to fund health-care costs. Public health insurance, such as
Medicare and Medicaid, accounts for 27 percent of coverage. By contrast, the
10 countries with the highest life expectancy depend on voluntary insurance
for an average of less than 6 percent of their costs, and government spending
for nearly half.
where is your evidence?
if gov't spends 'nearly half', where does the rest come from?
the money tree?
If by “money tree”, you mean quantitative easing; then yes - more than
likely.
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Post by No Healthcare For YOU!!
One big reason U.S. health care costs are so high: pharmaceutical spending.
The U.S. spends more per capita on prescription medicines and over-the-
counter products than any other country in the OECD.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-health-care-spending/
That is because in many states, between 25% and 35% of the adult population
are obese, and between 15% and 20% of children are also obese.
abelard
2018-01-12 10:07:56 UTC
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Americans Die Younger Despite Spending the Most on Health Care
By Laurie Meisler
August 2, 2017
Typically, the more a developed country spends on health care, the longer its
people live.
where is your evidence?
public health measures such as water treatment, diet, exercise and
vaccination are far more important than 'health care'
Isn’t vaccination part of healthcare?
depends on your definitions...it is preventative...not corrective

heath care is generally trying to fix things once you're already
in trouble or strife
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The U.S., which spends the most on health care, bucks that
trend. Compared to the 35 countries in the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development, which promotes policies to improve social and
economic well-being, the U.S. life expectancy of 78.8 years ranks 27th.
they also spend more on hamburgers
Which, rather strangely, seem to contain 0% ham.
more socialists trying to destroy language :-)
Post by abelard
Post by No Healthcare For YOU!!
It
has the fourth highest infant mortality rate in the OECD, the sixth highest
maternal mortality rate
nonsense, they have a more strict definition of live birth
What, births that are alive? Surely not?
you might imagine that...but it ain't so...
some definitions even work on one year...some on one breath and so on

the usa saves more premie baybees..more of those die than in countries
where no premies survive so early

in the usa the registration is very strict where it is sloppy
elsewhere
and so on
Post by abelard
Post by No Healthcare For YOU!!
and the ninth highest likelihood of dying at a
younger age from a host of ailments, including cardiovascular disease and
cancer.
more nonsense...they have a high survival rate...
fat increases risk of just about all diseases including cancer..
their survival rate is high on like for like
america also has at least 10-15 million illegals, mostly from third
world countries
Ah yes, so its the fault of the illegals (who must be socialists) again?
i'm sure you are correct...

they form a sub-group within a population with far lower health
standards...eg their diet means they are less healthy at
'adulthood'...poverty is a major heath risk
Post by abelard
you are a very dishonest and cowardly poster
Post by No Healthcare For YOU!!
The U.S. is the most obese country in the OECD, leads in drug-related deaths
and ranks 33rd in prevalence of diabetes. Yet 88 percent of Americans say
they are in good or very good health, according to OECD statistics. Only 35
percent of Japanese, who have the highest life expectancy in the OECD, regard
themselves as healthy or very healthy.
Unlike other countries in the OECD, the U.S. mostly relies on voluntary
health insurance to fund health-care costs. Public health insurance, such as
Medicare and Medicaid, accounts for 27 percent of coverage. By contrast, the
10 countries with the highest life expectancy depend on voluntary insurance
for an average of less than 6 percent of their costs, and government spending
for nearly half.
where is your evidence?
if gov't spends 'nearly half', where does the rest come from?
the money tree?
If by “money tree”, you mean quantitative easing; then yes - more than
likely.
the usa is immensely rich...it chooses to spend a considerably
higher amount of personal wealth on health care...
being better off gives you more choices, especially if the
government doesn't take and waste your money....
anything where gov't is involved means you have less choices
and more corruption
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Post by No Healthcare For YOU!!
One big reason U.S. health care costs are so high: pharmaceutical spending.
The U.S. spends more per capita on prescription medicines and over-the-
counter products than any other country in the OECD.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-health-care-spending/
That is because in many states, between 25% and 35% of the adult population
are obese, and between 15% and 20% of children are also obese.
it is a considerable factor
--
www.abelard.org
johnny-knowall
2018-01-12 12:05:25 UTC
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Americans Die Younger Despite Spending the Most on Health Care
By Laurie Meisler
August 2, 2017
Typically, the more a developed country spends on health care, the longer its
people live.
where is your evidence?
public health measures such as water treatment, diet, exercise and
vaccination are far more important than 'health care'
Isn’t vaccination part of healthcare?
depends on your definitions...it is preventative...not corrective
Are you sure?

It’s not my definition that matters, but the health care service’s.

Since my 60th birthday, I have been sent bowel cancer test kits every 2 years
by the NHS. Fortunately, the results have been negative so far; but they are
not funded by me privately.

This is preventative, or at least catching the symptoms very early and saving
the NHS higher costs down the line.

My wife has had ‘free’ NHS smear tests as long as I have known her, about
45 years.

I am booked for ‘free’ NHS abdominal aortic aneurism screening next
month.

By ‘free’ I mean I pay through taxes.
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heath care is generally trying to fix things once you're already
in trouble or strife
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The U.S., which spends the most on health care, bucks that
trend. Compared to the 35 countries in the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development, which promotes policies to improve social and
economic well-being, the U.S. life expectancy of 78.8 years ranks 27th.
they also spend more on hamburgers
Which, rather strangely, seem to contain 0% ham.
more socialists trying to destroy language :-)
The German originals may have contained pork.
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It
has the fourth highest infant mortality rate in the OECD, the sixth highest
maternal mortality rate
nonsense, they have a more strict definition of live birth
What, births that are alive? Surely not?
you might imagine that...but it ain't so...
some definitions even work on one year...some on one breath and so on
the usa saves more premie baybees..more of those die than in countries
where no premies survive so early
But surely, any defects are found by regular scans? Thus part of the
preventative system I described earlier.
Post by abelard
in the usa the registration is very strict where it is sloppy
elsewhere
and so on
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and the ninth highest likelihood of dying at a
younger age from a host of ailments, including cardiovascular disease and
cancer.
more nonsense...they have a high survival rate...
fat increases risk of just about all diseases including cancer..
their survival rate is high on like for like
america also has at least 10-15 million illegals, mostly from third
world countries
Ah yes, so its the fault of the illegals (who must be socialists) again?
i'm sure you are correct...
they form a sub-group within a population with far lower health
standards...eg their diet means they are less healthy at
'adulthood'...poverty is a major heath risk
Post by johnny-knowall
Post by abelard
you are a very dishonest and cowardly poster
Post by No Healthcare For YOU!!
The U.S. is the most obese country in the OECD, leads in drug-related deaths
and ranks 33rd in prevalence of diabetes. Yet 88 percent of Americans say
they are in good or very good health, according to OECD statistics. Only 35
percent of Japanese, who have the highest life expectancy in the OECD, regard
themselves as healthy or very healthy.
Unlike other countries in the OECD, the U.S. mostly relies on voluntary
health insurance to fund health-care costs. Public health insurance, such as
Medicare and Medicaid, accounts for 27 percent of coverage. By contrast, the
10 countries with the highest life expectancy depend on voluntary insurance
for an average of less than 6 percent of their costs, and government spending
for nearly half.
where is your evidence?
if gov't spends 'nearly half', where does the rest come from?
the money tree?
If by “money tree”, you mean quantitative easing; then yes - more than
likely.
the usa is immensely rich...it chooses to spend a considerably
higher amount of personal wealth on health care...
being better off gives you more choices, especially if the
government doesn't take and waste your money....
anything where gov't is involved means you have less choices
and more corruption
Post by johnny-knowall
Post by abelard
Post by No Healthcare For YOU!!
One big reason U.S. health care costs are so high: pharmaceutical spending.
The U.S. spends more per capita on prescription medicines and over-the-
counter products than any other country in the OECD.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-health-care-spending/
That is because in many states, between 25% and 35% of the adult population
are obese, and between 15% and 20% of children are also obese.
it is a considerable factor
abelard
2018-01-12 12:09:23 UTC
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 02:21:13 +0000 (UTC), "No Healthcare For YOU!!"
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Americans Die Younger Despite Spending the Most on Health Care
By Laurie Meisler
August 2, 2017
Typically, the more a developed country spends on health care, the longer its
people live.
where is your evidence?
public health measures such as water treatment, diet, exercise and
vaccination are far more important than 'health care'
Isn’t vaccination part of healthcare?
depends on your definitions...it is preventative...not corrective
Are you sure?
It’s not my definition that matters, but the health care service’s.
what i'm trying to communicate with you is that definitions
are not consistent between people and countries
Post by johnny-knowall
Since my 60th birthday, I have been sent bowel cancer test kits every 2 years
by the NHS. Fortunately, the results have been negative so far; but they are
not funded by me privately.
This is preventative, or at least catching the symptoms very early and saving
the NHS higher costs down the line.
My wife has had ‘free’ NHS smear tests as long as I have known her, about
45 years.
I am booked for ‘free’ NHS abdominal aortic aneurism screening next
month.
By ‘free’ I mean I pay through taxes.
and there is the nhs constantly on about being underfunded!
--
www.abelard.org
johnny-knowall
2018-01-12 12:14:17 UTC
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 02:21:13 +0000 (UTC), "No Healthcare For YOU!!"
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Americans Die Younger Despite Spending the Most on Health Care
By Laurie Meisler
August 2, 2017
Typically, the more a developed country spends on health care, the
longer
its
people live.
where is your evidence?
public health measures such as water treatment, diet, exercise and
vaccination are far more important than 'health care'
Isn’t vaccination part of healthcare?
depends on your definitions...it is preventative...not corrective
Are you sure?
It’s not my definition that matters, but the health care service’s.
what i'm trying to communicate with you is that definitions
are not consistent between people and countries
Yes, and what I am trying to communicate to you is that your demand that
people find evidence is bound to fail because of that inconsistency.
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Post by johnny-knowall
Since my 60th birthday, I have been sent bowel cancer test kits every 2 years
by the NHS. Fortunately, the results have been negative so far; but they are
not funded by me privately.
This is preventative, or at least catching the symptoms very early and saving
the NHS higher costs down the line.
My wife has had ‘free’ NHS smear tests as long as I have known her, about
45 years.
I am booked for ‘free’ NHS abdominal aortic aneurism screening next
month.
By ‘free’ I mean I pay through taxes.
and there is the nhs constantly on about being underfunded!
abelard
2018-01-12 12:23:22 UTC
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Americans Die Younger Despite Spending the Most on Health Care
By Laurie Meisler
August 2, 2017
Typically, the more a developed country spends on health care, the
longer
its
people live.
where is your evidence?
public health measures such as water treatment, diet, exercise and
vaccination are far more important than 'health care'
Isn’t vaccination part of healthcare?
depends on your definitions...it is preventative...not corrective
Are you sure?
It’s not my definition that matters, but the health care service’s.
what i'm trying to communicate with you is that definitions
are not consistent between people and countries
Yes, and what I am trying to communicate to you is that your demand that
people find evidence is bound to fail because of that inconsistency.
yet the fossil media is constantly making ex cathedra comparative
statements on the basis of such slush
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johnny-knowall
2018-01-12 12:30:32 UTC
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Americans Die Younger Despite Spending the Most on Health Care
By Laurie Meisler
August 2, 2017
Typically, the more a developed country spends on health care, the
longer
its
people live.
where is your evidence?
public health measures such as water treatment, diet, exercise and
vaccination are far more important than 'health care'
Isn’t vaccination part of healthcare?
depends on your definitions...it is preventative...not corrective
Are you sure?
It’s not my definition that matters, but the health care service’s.
what i'm trying to communicate with you is that definitions
are not consistent between people and countries
Yes, and what I am trying to communicate to you is that your demand that
people find evidence is bound to fail because of that inconsistency.
yet the fossil media is constantly making ex cathedra comparative
statements on the basis of such slush
But that is ok in America’s case because they do not seem to have a
consensus organisation which attempts to stop everyone scoffing tons of fat,
sugar and salt each year.

In many parts of America, vast over-eating seems to be encouraged in the
simple pursuit of profit.

I recommend watching 'Man v Food’ just once.

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