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Vince Cable: Young 'shafted' over Brexit
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MM
2017-08-07 07:11:33 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.

Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017

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2017-08-07 07:54:01 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
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So, having disenfranchised yourself, you will no longer have a say in
matters Brexit. Nor your mate Vince, for that matter!

Clever fucker aren't you!

omega
Yellow
2017-08-07 14:02:19 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
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So, having disenfranchised yourself, you will no longer have a say in
matters Brexit. Nor your mate Vince, for that matter!
Clever fucker aren't you!
omega
Vince Cable is one of my least favourite politicians and he is living up
to my usual expectations.
Norman Wells
2017-08-07 08:06:22 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
How old's Vince? Can you tell us?
m***@btopenworld.com
2017-08-07 08:19:04 UTC
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Post by MM
It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
How old's Vince? Can you tell us?
He's 73 apparently. Hardly of a age where he should be determining the future of young people. He will be dead by the time the consequences of his actions will be felt!
MM
2017-08-07 18:42:53 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
How old's Vince? Can you tell us?
He's 73 apparently. Hardly of a age where he should be determining the future of young people. He will be dead by the time the consequences of his actions will be felt!
So will many Brexiters.

Every cloud has a silver lining!

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Ian Jackson
2017-08-07 16:16:09 UTC
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How old's Vince? Can you tell us?
75 (I think?).
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2017-08-07 16:25:09 UTC
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How old's Vince? Can you tell us?
75 (I think?).
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Dean Jackson
2017-08-07 23:39:57 UTC
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How old's Vince? Can you tell us?
75 (I think?).
But evidently young at heart.
D.J.
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2017-08-07 08:15:24 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
If ever the UK was in the need for the likes of Vince then I would vote for foreign governance! Since you are the plaudit of the young, don't you believe that the Lib Dems should have elected a younger leader?

Oh! I was forgetting, nobody else wanted the job! His former constituency voted him out!

It could also be argued with equal vehemence that these young people to whom the future belongs are beneficiaries of the affluent society that their elders worked for. That they lack the knowledge wisdom and experience for such a fundamental decision alone. The electoral system in this country decrees that virtually everyone who has reached his/her majority is allowed to vote and that every voters vote is, quite rightly, of equal weight.

In fact it cannot be argued that the elderly section of the population let the EU down and did not give it a chance. 67% of these very same people gave the EU a thundering endorsement in the first referendum of 1975. It is not they that let them down. It was the EU that failed to live up to their expectation.

A 42 year trial run has yielded little or nothing.

In any case, neither you, I nor Vince Cable can know how young people voted. We have a secret ballot in this country. The statistic was based on a survey of no more than a few thousand people out of tens f millions in one or a small number of places on behalf of organisations whose desire was no more than to fill a few column inches.

To be valid, any democratic exercise must be open to all those who are prepared to partake and all votes must carry equal weight. The exercise was not engineered with a view towards determining the effect of age on voting patterns.
James Harris
2017-08-07 08:40:15 UTC
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A 42 year trial run has yielded little or nothing.
Good phrase.
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Dan S. MacAbre
2017-08-07 09:10:16 UTC
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A 42 year trial run has yielded little or nothing.
Good phrase.
Perhaps that's the ultimate question to HHGG's ultimate answer?

Q. What is the maximum length of time that should be allowed to find
out if memebership of the EU yields anything of value?

A. 42.
Bod
2017-08-07 08:45:16 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
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Cable is a typical politician and a sore loser.
What he is in effect saying, is that the older Brexit voters shouldn't
have the freedom to vote who they want to vote for.
In a proper democracy a persons vote should be respected.
He shows disrespect.
James Harris
2017-08-07 09:18:59 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
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Cable is a typical politician and a sore loser.
What he is in effect saying, is that the older Brexit voters shouldn't
have the freedom to vote who they want to vote for.
In a proper democracy a persons vote should be respected.
He shows disrespect.
Cable sits in office, thinks: "How can I phrase this to tap in to the
preconceptions of young voters and increase the divisions in society?"

"Got it!"


The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
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Bod
2017-08-07 09:23:11 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
MM
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Cable is a typical politician and a sore loser.
What he is in effect saying, is that the older Brexit voters shouldn't
have the freedom to vote who they want to vote for.
In a proper democracy a persons vote should be respected.
He shows disrespect.
Cable sits in office, thinks: "How can I phrase this to tap in to the
preconceptions of young voters and increase the divisions in society?"
"Got it!"
The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
James Harris
2017-08-07 10:31:29 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
MM
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Cable is a typical politician and a sore loser.
What he is in effect saying, is that the older Brexit voters shouldn't
have the freedom to vote who they want to vote for.
In a proper democracy a persons vote should be respected.
He shows disrespect.
Cable sits in office, thinks: "How can I phrase this to tap in to the
preconceptions of young voters and increase the divisions in society?"
"Got it!"
The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
Agreed. By him parroting existing memes he is in danger of being seen to
be doing nothing more than jumping on an existing bandwagon.
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Mike Swift
2017-08-07 11:33:49 UTC
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The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
They weren't intelligent enough to see through Corbyn.

Mike
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Bod
2017-08-07 11:40:36 UTC
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The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
They weren't intelligent enough to see through Corbyn.
Mike
Ha, that's true :-)
James Harris
2017-08-10 11:49:41 UTC
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The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
They weren't intelligent enough to see through Corbyn.
Mike
Ha, that's true :-)
Normally the other side (the Tories in this case) would have made a
fight of it but for the 2017 election they failed to do so. May
controlled the campaign and made only half-hearted attempts to expose
Corbyn. The majority of voters who don't keep up with politics therefore
heard little criticism to help them decide.
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2017-08-10 13:25:28 UTC
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The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
They weren't intelligent enough to see through Corbyn.
Mike
Ha, that's true :-)
Normally the other side (the Tories in this case) would have made a
fight of it but for the 2017 election they failed to do so. May
controlled the campaign and made only half-hearted attempts to expose
Corbyn. The majority of voters who don't keep up with politics therefore
heard little criticism to help them decide.
weird that she didn't...a sort of risk aversion hang up perhaps...

didn't work too well in the real world
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2017-08-10 13:38:04 UTC
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The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
They weren't intelligent enough to see through Corbyn.
Mike
Ha, that's true :-)
Normally the other side (the Tories in this case) would have made a
fight of it but for the 2017 election they failed to do so. May
controlled the campaign and made only half-hearted attempts to expose
Corbyn. The majority of voters who don't keep up with politics therefore
heard little criticism to help them decide.
weird that she didn't...a sort of risk aversion hang up perhaps...
didn't work too well in the real world
May might be a hard worker and/or have lots of good qualities but she
doesn't have the political nous of many of her predecessors. She even
thought her election campaign was going well!
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abelard
2017-08-10 13:50:56 UTC
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The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
They weren't intelligent enough to see through Corbyn.
Mike
Ha, that's true :-)
Normally the other side (the Tories in this case) would have made a
fight of it but for the 2017 election they failed to do so. May
controlled the campaign and made only half-hearted attempts to expose
Corbyn. The majority of voters who don't keep up with politics therefore
heard little criticism to help them decide.
weird that she didn't...a sort of risk aversion hang up perhaps...
didn't work too well in the real world
May might be a hard worker and/or have lots of good qualities but she
doesn't have the political nous of many of her predecessors. She even
thought her election campaign was going well!
running on rails?...rationalising her optimism?...

that looks like fear/risk aversion to me...

worse, she seems disinclined to listen to others with
different qualities...

she may be suited to push through brexit but i wouldn't
want her beyond that...
i do hope she's learnt to listen more now...
but one positive result of her hubris has been to weaken her
control
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2017-08-07 14:47:19 UTC
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The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
They weren't intelligent enough to see through Corbyn.
And these were supposedly university squality students...
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Col
2017-08-08 07:15:55 UTC
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The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
They weren't intelligent enough to see through Corbyn.
They were offered an election bribe, and some of them fell for it.
But election bribes are nothing new.
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Col
Ian Jackson
2017-08-08 07:27:46 UTC
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The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
They weren't intelligent enough to see through Corbyn.
They were offered an election bribe, and some of them fell for it.
But election bribes are nothing new.
There are bribes and bribes. What was the "£350M for the NHS" if it
wasn't a bribe?
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Col
2017-08-08 07:37:56 UTC
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The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
They weren't intelligent enough to see through Corbyn.
They were offered an election bribe, and some of them fell for it.
But election bribes are nothing new.
There are bribes and bribes. What was the "£350M for the NHS" if it
wasn't a bribe?
I'll see your £350m and raise you a cool £1bn to bribe the DUP to
support the Tories!
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Col
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2017-08-08 07:44:03 UTC
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The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
They weren't intelligent enough to see through Corbyn.
They were offered an election bribe, and some of them fell for it.
But election bribes are nothing new.
There are bribes and bribes. What was the "£350M for the NHS" if it
wasn't a bribe?
I'll see your £350m and raise you a cool £1bn to bribe the DUP to
support the Tories!
You win.
"You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run"
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Norman Wells
2017-08-08 08:46:36 UTC
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The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
They weren't intelligent enough to see through Corbyn.
They were offered an election bribe, and some of them fell for it.
But election bribes are nothing new.
There are bribes and bribes. What was the "£350M for the NHS" if it
wasn't a bribe?
I'll see your £350m and raise you a cool £1bn to bribe the DUP to
support the Tories!
It's hardly bribing the DUP. The money will not be spent on
backhanders, lavish yachts and parties for them, but on infrastructure
and services for the Northern Irish people.
Col
2017-08-08 08:54:01 UTC
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The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
They weren't intelligent enough to see through Corbyn.
They were offered an election bribe, and some of them fell for it.
But election bribes are nothing new.
There are bribes and bribes. What was the "£350M for the NHS" if it
wasn't a bribe?
I'll see your £350m and raise you a cool £1bn to bribe the DUP to
support the Tories!
It's hardly bribing the DUP. The money will not be spent on
backhanders, lavish yachts and parties for them, but on infrastructure
and services for the Northern Irish people.
One man's deal is another man's bribe.
It's like the terrorist or freedom fighter debate.
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Yellow
2017-08-08 13:05:14 UTC
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In article <***@mid.individual.net>, ***@btinternet.com
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Post by Bod
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The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
They weren't intelligent enough to see through Corbyn.
They were offered an election bribe, and some of them fell for it.
But election bribes are nothing new.
There are bribes and bribes. What was the "£350M for the NHS" if it
wasn't a bribe?
I'll see your £350m and raise you a cool £1bn to bribe the DUP to
support the Tories!
It's hardly bribing the DUP. The money will not be spent on
backhanders, lavish yachts and parties for them, but on infrastructure
and services for the Northern Irish people.
One man's deal is another man's bribe.
True, but having the upper hand and using it to extract extra government
money for your region is still not a bribe.

But as a chap is taking the government to court on this very topic, we
will soon know for sure.
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It's like the terrorist or freedom fighter debate.
No.... not really.
Col
2017-08-08 13:26:25 UTC
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One man's deal is another man's bribe.
True, but having the upper hand and using it to extract extra government
money for your region is still not a bribe.
The government are paying a large sum of money to ensure that
legislation passes smoothly. Sounds an awful lot like a 'bribe' to me!
Post by Yellow
But as a chap is taking the government to court on this very topic, we
will soon know for sure.
Post by Col
It's like the terrorist or freedom fighter debate.
No.... not really.
Yes.... really.
It's just looking at the same situation from opposing viewpoints.
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Col
Yellow
2017-08-08 13:29:58 UTC
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Post by Col
One man's deal is another man's bribe.
True, but having the upper hand and using it to extract extra government
money for your region is still not a bribe.
The government are paying a large sum of money to ensure that
legislation passes smoothly. Sounds an awful lot like a 'bribe' to me!
Post by Yellow
But as a chap is taking the government to court on this very topic, we
will soon know for sure.
Post by Col
It's like the terrorist or freedom fighter debate.
No.... not really.
Yes.... really.
It's just looking at the same situation from opposing viewpoints.
Still no because a bribe is not a bribe simple because you say it is a
bribe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bribery_Act_2010
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2017-08-08 13:49:18 UTC
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One man's deal is another man's bribe.
True, but having the upper hand and using it to extract extra government
money for your region is still not a bribe.
The government are paying a large sum of money to ensure that
legislation passes smoothly. Sounds an awful lot like a 'bribe' to me!
peanuts...and much of it would have been paid anywhere...

taken from one pocket and put into another...just as with
the dole and the nhs...

just as with moneybags and his employees...

it's the way of the world...not some manner of special case

it's exactly what governments do every every day...

well worth it to keep the fascist 'new' labour party from power...

well worth it so's the incompetent don't end up living in doorways

or breaking into my house
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But as a chap is taking the government to court on this very topic, we
will soon know for sure.
Post by Col
It's like the terrorist or freedom fighter debate.
No.... not really.
Yes.... really.
It's just looking at the same situation from opposing viewpoints.
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Norman Wells
2017-08-08 08:43:59 UTC
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The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
They weren't intelligent enough to see through Corbyn.
They were offered an election bribe, and some of them fell for it.
But election bribes are nothing new.
There are bribes and bribes. What was the "£350M for the NHS" if it
wasn't a bribe?
I think a bribe has to be of personal benefit, not universal.
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2017-08-08 09:44:39 UTC
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The one good thing in the current climate is that if it has any success
it is likely only to reduce youth support for Labour.
Indeed, I'm sure they've got the intelligence to see through him.
They weren't intelligent enough to see through Corbyn.
They were offered an election bribe, and some of them fell for it.
But election bribes are nothing new.
There are bribes and bribes. What was the "£350M for the NHS" if it
wasn't a bribe?
You can't bribe people with their own money!

The £350 p.w. was simply an alternative use for the savings that would be made if we left the EU. As things stand at present, we shell out the £350 and get nothing, zilch, for our money. Of course if that money were not wasted providing nothing, it would be for the government of the day to decide how it might otherwise be used. That's two reasons why it cannot accurately be described as a bribe.

Thirdly, at the time, we were in the middle of a referendum campaign. Referendums decide issues and don't choose governments. Nobody in a referendum campaign can promise anything since they are not seeking to become part of government. Hence, since governments decide public spending, there no prospect of delivery of any 'promise' made.

Everybody knew and understand that and that the 'promise' was no more than hypothesis. It could never have been seen as a solemn promise until the remain campaign chose to make it seem so.
Ophelia
2017-08-07 13:35:40 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
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Cable is a typical politician and a sore loser.
What he is in effect saying, is that the older Brexit voters shouldn't
have the freedom to vote who they want to vote for.
In a proper democracy a persons vote should be respected.
He shows disrespect.

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He just wants his own way and he is doing an MM and twisting everything to
suit his agenda!
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Bod
2017-08-07 14:00:52 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
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Cable is a typical politician and a sore loser.
What he is in effect saying, is that the older Brexit voters shouldn't
have the freedom to vote who they want to vote for.
In a proper democracy a persons vote should be respected.
He shows disrespect.
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He just wants his own way and he is doing an MM and twisting everything
to suit his agenda!
Totally agree.
Sid
2017-08-07 14:10:49 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
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Cable is a typical politician and a sore loser.
What he is in effect saying, is that the older Brexit voters shouldn't
have the freedom to vote who they want to vote for.
In a proper democracy a persons vote should be respected.
He shows disrespect.
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He just wants his own way and he is doing an MM and twisting everything
to suit his agenda!
Both dead from the neck up.

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Ian Jackson
2017-08-07 16:28:44 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
Cable is a typical politician and a sore loser.
I think that most Remainers are not sore losers. Instead, they're simply
people who are worried about what the UK might become after we've left
the EU.
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What he is in effect saying, is that the older Brexit voters shouldn't
have the freedom to vote who they want to vote for.
In a proper democracy a persons vote should be respected.
He shows disrespect.
You are talking nonsense. You Brexiteers seem fixated on things like
'respect' and 'loyalty'. Many of you seem to have taken the result of
the referendum as a personal victory, and are therefore taking it as a
personal affront when anyone dares question whether you really didn't
think things through properly, and made a big mistake (not just for
yourselves, but for everyone in the UK) when you voted to leave.
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Norman Wells
2017-08-07 16:41:35 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
Cable is a typical politician and a sore loser.
I think that most Remainers are not sore losers. Instead, they're simply
people who are worried about what the UK might become after we've left
the EU.
Post by Bod
What he is in effect saying, is that the older Brexit voters shouldn't
have the freedom to vote who they want to vote for.
In a proper democracy a persons vote should be respected.
He shows disrespect.
You are talking nonsense. You Brexiteers seem fixated on things like
'respect' and 'loyalty'. Many of you seem to have taken the result of
the referendum as a personal victory, and are therefore taking it as a
personal affront when anyone dares question whether you really didn't
think things through properly, and made a big mistake (not just for
yourselves, but for everyone in the UK) when you voted to leave.
It was a democratic decision arrived at by as democratic a vote as you
can get, after 100 days of seemingly endless debate. And it was
achieved by a subtantial majority of 1.7 million votes.

Those who can't or won't accept it are deniers of democracy. They
should be ashamed to consider themselves democrats, and especially
Liberal Democrats when neither word applies, especially the latter.
Bod
2017-08-07 16:44:36 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
Cable is a typical politician and a sore loser.
I think that most Remainers are not sore losers. Instead, they're simply
people who are worried about what the UK might become after we've left
the EU.
Post by Bod
What he is in effect saying, is that the older Brexit voters shouldn't
have the freedom to vote who they want to vote for.
In a proper democracy a persons vote should be respected.
He shows disrespect.
You are talking nonsense. You Brexiteers seem fixated on things like
'respect' and 'loyalty'. Many of you seem to have taken the result of
the referendum as a personal victory, and are therefore taking it as a
personal affront when anyone dares question whether you really didn't
think things through properly, and made a big mistake (not just for
yourselves, but for everyone in the UK) when you voted to leave.
I only objected to being accused of "shafting" other voters.
Not exactly diplomatic language from a politician.
Ian Jackson
2017-08-07 18:27:45 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
Cable is a typical politician and a sore loser.
I think that most Remainers are not sore losers. Instead, they're
simply people who are worried about what the UK might become after
we've left the EU.
Post by Bod
What he is in effect saying, is that the older Brexit voters
shouldn't have the freedom to vote who they want to vote for.
In a proper democracy a persons vote should be respected.
He shows disrespect.
You are talking nonsense. You Brexiteers seem fixated on things like
'respect' and 'loyalty'. Many of you seem to have taken the result of
the referendum as a personal victory, and are therefore taking it as a
personal affront when anyone dares question whether you really didn't
think things through properly, and made a big mistake (not just for
yourselves, but for everyone in the UK) when you voted to leave.
I only objected to being accused of "shafting" other voters.
Not exactly diplomatic language from a politician.
I do concede that point. I've always considered "shaft" to be a thinly
disguised euphemism for "bugger" (literally). "Screw" is yet another
term. You probably wouldn't use any of these terms in the presence of
your maiden aunt (although even maiden aunts can be pretty foul-mouthed
these days).

While I believe in calling a spade "a fucking spade", it would indeed be
better if people like politicians could try and keep things dignified.

Nevertheless, Vince Cable's use of rather 'common' language does not
detract from the validity of his argument - and it is possibly an
indication of his deeply-felt concern for what might happen to the UK.
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Dan S. MacAbre
2017-08-07 16:48:43 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
Cable is a typical politician and a sore loser.
I think that most Remainers are not sore losers. Instead, they're simply
people who are worried about what the UK might become after we've left
the EU.
I think leavers were worried about what the UK might become if we'd
stayed in. Of course, no-one knows what the future holds, but some
leavers seem convinced, even determined, that it will be bad.
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Post by Bod
What he is in effect saying, is that the older Brexit voters shouldn't
have the freedom to vote who they want to vote for.
In a proper democracy a persons vote should be respected.
He shows disrespect.
You are talking nonsense. You Brexiteers seem fixated on things like
'respect' and 'loyalty'. Many of you seem to have taken the result of
the referendum as a personal victory, and are therefore taking it as a
personal affront when anyone dares question whether you really didn't
think things through properly, and made a big mistake (not just for
yourselves, but for everyone in the UK) when you voted to leave.
It's not just a case of questioning it - I think it's a case of
questioning it over and over again. No-one suggests that remainers
didn't know what they were voting for, either. I voted to remain, but
TBH, that's just how I felt on the day. I do not blame leavers for
getting pissed off. We're seeing a very pro-remain establishment double
down, and it's not something that fills one with much respect for the
democratic process.
Yellow
2017-08-07 17:06:58 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
Cable is a typical politician and a sore loser.
I think that most Remainers are not sore losers. Instead, they're simply
people who are worried about what the UK might become after we've left
the EU.
I think leavers were worried about what the UK might become if we'd
stayed in. Of course, no-one knows what the future holds, but some
leavers seem convinced, even determined, that it will be bad.
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Post by Bod
What he is in effect saying, is that the older Brexit voters shouldn't
have the freedom to vote who they want to vote for.
In a proper democracy a persons vote should be respected.
He shows disrespect.
You are talking nonsense. You Brexiteers seem fixated on things like
'respect' and 'loyalty'. Many of you seem to have taken the result of
the referendum as a personal victory, and are therefore taking it as a
personal affront when anyone dares question whether you really didn't
think things through properly, and made a big mistake (not just for
yourselves, but for everyone in the UK) when you voted to leave.
It's not just a case of questioning it - I think it's a case of
questioning it over and over again. No-one suggests that remainers
didn't know what they were voting for, either. I voted to remain, but
TBH, that's just how I felt on the day. I do not blame leavers for
getting pissed off. We're seeing a very pro-remain establishment double
down, and it's not something that fills one with much respect for the
democratic process.
You are right in both your replies - spot on in fact.
tim...
2017-08-07 17:15:10 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
Cable is a typical politician and a sore loser.
I think that most Remainers are not sore losers. Instead, they're simply
people who are worried about what the UK might become after we've left the
EU.
but we had a vote on that

and a democratic decision was made

had it gone the other way, there would no doubt be plenty of people worried
about what the UK might become staying in the EU (having eschewed the
opportunity to leave).

The Leavers don't have the moral high ground here (or the economic one, or
the legal one)

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Sid
2017-08-07 18:51:04 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
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Cable is a typical politician and a sore loser.
What he is in effect saying, is that the older Brexit voters shouldn't
have the freedom to vote who they want to vote for.
In a proper democracy a persons vote should be respected.
He shows disrespect.
Makes no difference.

Cable is has never and never will be anything but a out of date loser.

Like all Limp Dems. He is full of crap. Why did that pipsqueak compaign
is he new he was going to resign the leadership.


Brexit Means Brexit.

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2017-08-07 11:47:59 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
MM
Isn't it "inexperience and hope before experience"? :-)

He does not like votes of people "disillusioned" by EU.
Isn't it very significant?
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2017-08-07 11:51:25 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
Isn't it "inexperience and hope before experience"? :-)
the only ones who'll vote for an old fake
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He does not like votes of people "disillusioned" by EU.
Isn't it very significant?
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Fredxxx
2017-08-07 14:19:37 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
Given the young were supporting spend-spend-spend Corbyn perhaps they
thought their future wasn't in the UK when the debts have to be repaid?

If anyone shafted the young, it was Vince Cable and his promise
regarding tuition fees.
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2017-08-07 15:10:58 UTC
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Back in the sixties "shaft" was commonly used as a clear synonym for "fuck". "do you want to shaft me?" asks the girl in "Litle Malcom and his Struggle against the Eunuchs" of young Malcom Scrawdyke wo has been hanging outside her house. Cable is saying he young have been fucked. That is very crude of him.
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2017-08-08 06:47:52 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
Translation - he comes out with a load of old tosh!

The young had exactly the same chance to vote on Brexit as everyone
else, but they were outvoted - mainly due to those who were shafted in
the 1974 Referendum!
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Ophelia
2017-08-08 08:53:37 UTC
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It's what I've been saying all along. The future belongs to the young.
One could argue that old people didn't deserve to vote in the EU
referendum, as they will be dead long before the bad effects they have
brought about kick in.
Good old Vince! He has a habit of calling a spade a spade. Britain
needs more like him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40842017
Translation - he comes out with a load of old tosh!

The young had exactly the same chance to vote on Brexit as everyone
else, but they were outvoted - mainly due to those who were shafted in
the 1974 Referendum!

Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

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