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Can we have a consensus on the religious stances of "abelard" and "saracene"?
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gramps
2017-09-10 21:56:14 UTC
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Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude whether Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious faith, or are atheists.

What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a rooks-in-the-elms Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike you as a catholic or a convert?

Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both British and American capitalists side with the notion that their nation is a Christian nation.

Any comments?
Ned Latham
2017-09-10 22:20:21 UTC
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Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude
whether Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious
faith, or are atheists.
What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a
rooks-in-the-elms Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike
you as a catholic or a convert?
Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both
British and American capitalists side with the notion that their
nation is a Christian nation.
Any comments?
There is no such thing as a god.

EoS.
abelard
2017-09-10 23:37:28 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 17:20:21 -0500, Ned Latham
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Post by gramps
Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude
whether Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious
faith, or are atheists.
What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a
rooks-in-the-elms Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike
you as a catholic or a convert?
Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both
British and American capitalists side with the notion that their
nation is a Christian nation.
Any comments?
There is no such thing as a god.
EoS.
there you are, 'god' has spoken!

there is no such thing as 'nathan'
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Mark, Devon
2017-09-11 16:36:41 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 17:20:21 -0500, Ned Latham
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Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude
whether Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious
faith, or are atheists.
What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a
rooks-in-the-elms Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike
you as a catholic or a convert?
Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both
British and American capitalists side with the notion that their
nation is a Christian nation.
Any comments?
There is no such thing as a god.
EoS.
there you are, 'god' has spoken!
there is no such thing as 'nathan'>>
Do you like wine? Gin and tonic?
abelard
2017-09-11 17:03:25 UTC
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On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 09:36:41 -0700 (PDT), "Mark, Devon"
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On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 17:20:21 -0500, Ned Latham
Post by Ned Latham
Post by gramps
Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude
whether Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious
faith, or are atheists.
What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a
rooks-in-the-elms Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike
you as a catholic or a convert?
Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both
British and American capitalists side with the notion that their
nation is a Christian nation.
Any comments?
There is no such thing as a god.
EoS.
there you are, 'god' has spoken!
there is no such thing as 'nathan'>>
Do you like wine? Gin and tonic?
pure malts..esp islays...
and burgundies...grand crus etc
--
www.abelard.org
gramps
2017-09-12 15:29:57 UTC
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Post by Mark, Devon
Do you like wine? Gin and tonic?
pure malts..esp islays...
and burgundies...grand crus etc
Damn. I used to really like Ardbeg, but knowing you sup Islay kinda spoils it now.
abelard
2017-09-12 16:47:48 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 08:29:57 -0700 (PDT), gramps
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Post by Mark, Devon
Do you like wine? Gin and tonic?
pure malts..esp islays...
and burgundies...grand crus etc
Damn. I used to really like Ardbeg, but knowing you sup Islay kinda spoils it now.
there is an advantage in every cloud
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saracene
2017-09-12 17:44:19 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 08:29:57 -0700 (PDT), gramps
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Do you like wine? Gin and tonic?
pure malts..esp islays...
and burgundies...grand crus etc
Damn. I used to really like Ardbeg, but knowing you sup Islay kinda spoils it now.
there is an advantage in every cloud
a silver lining
m***@btopenworld.com
2017-09-11 06:59:23 UTC
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Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude
whether Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious
faith, or are atheists.
What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a
rooks-in-the-elms Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike
you as a catholic or a convert?
Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both
British and American capitalists side with the notion that their
nation is a Christian nation.
Any comments?
There is no such thing as a god.
Tell that to the devout!

Each religion has its martyrs who died rather then deny their God and some still ae dying.

Don't tell either them or me that there is no place for a God in their lives.

Your problem is that you pose a question that is beyond answer.
saracene
2017-09-11 07:20:43 UTC
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Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude
whether Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious
faith, or are atheists.
What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a
rooks-in-the-elms Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike
you as a catholic or a convert?
Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both
British and American capitalists side with the notion that their
nation is a Christian nation.
Any comments?
There is no such thing as a god.
Tell that to the devout!
Each religion has its martyrs who died rather then deny their God and some still ae dying.
"If atheism wnats martyrs let it say so and my blood is ready" (Marquis de Sade)
7
2017-09-11 16:05:40 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
Post by gramps
Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude
whether Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious
faith, or are atheists.
What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a
rooks-in-the-elms Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike
you as a catholic or a convert?
Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both
British and American capitalists side with the notion that their
nation is a Christian nation.
Any comments?
There is no such thing as a god.
Tell that to the devout!
Each religion has its martyrs who died rather then deny their God and
some still ae dying.
"If atheism wnats martyrs let it say so and my blood is ready" (Marquis de Sade)
Hmmm... philosophers have never killed a priest.

However plenty of priests have killed many philosophers for their ideas.
abelard
2017-09-11 16:15:47 UTC
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Post by Ned Latham
Post by gramps
Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude
whether Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious
faith, or are atheists.
What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a
rooks-in-the-elms Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike
you as a catholic or a convert?
Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both
British and American capitalists side with the notion that their
nation is a Christian nation.
Any comments?
There is no such thing as a god.
Tell that to the devout!
Each religion has its martyrs who died rather then deny their God and
some still ae dying.
"If atheism wnats martyrs let it say so and my blood is ready" (Marquis de Sade)
Hmmm... philosophers have never killed a priest.
However plenty of priests have killed many philosophers for their ideas.
is marx 'a philosopher'?
is mohammed?

list some 'philosophers'
--
www.abelard.org
7
2017-09-12 09:39:17 UTC
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On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 7:59:24 AM UTC+1,
Post by m***@btopenworld.com
Post by Ned Latham
Post by gramps
Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude
whether Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious
faith, or are atheists.
What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a
rooks-in-the-elms Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike
you as a catholic or a convert?
Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both
British and American capitalists side with the notion that their
nation is a Christian nation.
Any comments?
There is no such thing as a god.
Tell that to the devout!
Each religion has its martyrs who died rather then deny their God and
some still ae dying.
"If atheism wnats martyrs let it say so and my blood is ready" (Marquis de Sade)
Hmmm... philosophers have never killed a priest.
However plenty of priests have killed many philosophers for their ideas.
is marx 'a philosopher'?
is mohammed?
list some 'philosophers'
You are confusing old world use of philosopher to
describe scientists because scientists proper
did not exist in them days but their work
is scientific, immortal and relied on to this day.
abelard
2017-09-12 10:47:17 UTC
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Post by 7
On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 7:59:24 AM UTC+1,
Post by m***@btopenworld.com
Post by Ned Latham
Post by gramps
Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude
whether Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious
faith, or are atheists.
What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a
rooks-in-the-elms Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike
you as a catholic or a convert?
Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both
British and American capitalists side with the notion that their
nation is a Christian nation.
Any comments?
There is no such thing as a god.
Tell that to the devout!
Each religion has its martyrs who died rather then deny their God and
some still ae dying.
"If atheism wnats martyrs let it say so and my blood is ready" (Marquis de Sade)
Hmmm... philosophers have never killed a priest.
However plenty of priests have killed many philosophers for their ideas.
is marx 'a philosopher'?
is mohammed?
list some 'philosophers'
You are confusing old world use of philosopher to
describe scientists because scientists proper
did not exist in them days but their work
is scientific, immortal and relied on to this day.
is 'thou shalt not kill', scientific' or is it now out of date?
--
www.abelard.org
saracene
2017-09-12 12:06:25 UTC
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On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 7:59:24 AM UTC+1,
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Post by Ned Latham
Post by gramps
Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude
whether Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious
faith, or are atheists.
What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a
rooks-in-the-elms Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike
you as a catholic or a convert?
Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both
British and American capitalists side with the notion that their
nation is a Christian nation.
Any comments?
There is no such thing as a god.
Tell that to the devout!
Each religion has its martyrs who died rather then deny their God and
some still ae dying.
"If atheism wnats martyrs let it say so and my blood is ready" (Marquis de Sade)
Hmmm... philosophers have never killed a priest.
However plenty of priests have killed many philosophers for their ideas.
is marx 'a philosopher'?
is mohammed?
list some 'philosophers'
You are confusing old world use of philosopher to
describe scientists because scientists proper
did not exist in them days but their work
is scientific, immortal and relied on to this day.
is 'thou shalt not kill', scientific' or is it now out of date?
It is no big deal. and has no specila connection with religion. and if you want to keep banging on about it please accept that it is subject to heavy qualificiation.
abelard
2017-09-12 12:33:58 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:06:25 -0700 (PDT), saracene
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Post by abelard
Post by 7
Post by abelard
Post by 7
On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 7:59:24 AM UTC+1,
Post by m***@btopenworld.com
Post by Ned Latham
Post by gramps
Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude
whether Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious
faith, or are atheists.
What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a
rooks-in-the-elms Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike
you as a catholic or a convert?
Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both
British and American capitalists side with the notion that their
nation is a Christian nation.
Any comments?
There is no such thing as a god.
Tell that to the devout!
Each religion has its martyrs who died rather then deny their God and
some still ae dying.
"If atheism wnats martyrs let it say so and my blood is ready" (Marquis
de Sade)
Hmmm... philosophers have never killed a priest.
However plenty of priests have killed many philosophers for their ideas.
is marx 'a philosopher'?
is mohammed?
list some 'philosophers'
You are confusing old world use of philosopher to
describe scientists because scientists proper
did not exist in them days but their work
is scientific, immortal and relied on to this day.
is 'thou shalt not kill', scientific' or is it now out of date?
It is no big deal. and has no specila connection with religion. and if you want to keep banging on about it please accept that it is subject to heavy qualificiation.
what is?

the prev poster kept banging on about 'science'

i want to know where she believes it fits within her
religion of 'science'
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www.abelard.org
7
2017-09-12 19:52:53 UTC
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Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude
whether Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious
faith, or are atheists.
What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a
rooks-in-the-elms Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike
you as a catholic or a convert?
Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both
British and American capitalists side with the notion that their
nation is a Christian nation.
Any comments?
There is no such thing as a god.
Tell that to the devout!
Each religion has its martyrs who died rather then deny their God and
some still ae dying.
"If atheism wnats martyrs let it say so and my blood is ready" (Marquis de Sade)
Hmmm... philosophers have never killed a priest.
However plenty of priests have killed many philosophers for their ideas.
is marx 'a philosopher'?
is mohammed?
list some 'philosophers'
You are confusing old world use of philosopher to
describe scientists because scientists proper
did not exist in them days but their work
is scientific, immortal and relied on to this day.
is 'thou shalt not kill', scientific' or is it now out of date?
Do get a grip abletard. Just prancing around between
subjects does not mean you have a brain.

Thou shall not kill is written into cultures
and surprisingly into the genes of many
a diseases and parasites alike.

If you kill, or you kill your host, then it will affect
your own survival adversely.

Who knows, that person you just killed
could have been a doctor and could have saved your life.
BurfordTJustice
2017-09-12 20:37:19 UTC
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Stay in school young Jim bob.
"7" <
abletard.
abelard
2017-09-12 20:55:28 UTC
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Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude
whether Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious
faith, or are atheists.
What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a
rooks-in-the-elms Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike
you as a catholic or a convert?
Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both
British and American capitalists side with the notion that their
nation is a Christian nation.
Any comments?
There is no such thing as a god.
Tell that to the devout!
Each religion has its martyrs who died rather then deny their God and
some still ae dying.
"If atheism wnats martyrs let it say so and my blood is ready" (Marquis de Sade)
Hmmm... philosophers have never killed a priest.
However plenty of priests have killed many philosophers for their ideas.
is marx 'a philosopher'?
is mohammed?
list some 'philosophers'
You are confusing old world use of philosopher to
describe scientists because scientists proper
did not exist in them days but their work
is scientific, immortal and relied on to this day.
is 'thou shalt not kill', scientific' or is it now out of date?
Do get a grip abletard. Just prancing around between
subjects does not mean you have a brain.
Thou shall not kill is written into cultures
and surprisingly into the genes of many
a diseases and parasites alike.
If you kill, or you kill your host, then it will affect
your own survival adversely.
Who knows, that person you just killed
could have been a doctor and could have saved your life.
i noticed that you dodged..but don't worry, no-one else will
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saracene
2017-09-11 16:26:13 UTC
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Hmmm... philosophers have never killed a priest.
Some would have liked to have done "Let us strangle the last king with the guts of the last priest." (Diderot)

Mao Tse Tung certainly fancied himself as a philosopher. So did Stalin.
saracene
2017-09-11 16:31:39 UTC
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Hmmm... philosophers have never killed a priest.
Some would have liked to have done "Let us strangle the last king with the guts of the last priest." (Diderot)
Mao Tse Tung certainly fancied himself as a philosopher.
https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/sri-lanka/mao-2.pdf

Some Thoughts on Mao’s Philosophy
Comrade N. Sanmugathasan
Comrade Mao Tse-tung was not only a great Marxist-Leninist
revolutionary but also a great philosopher. It is not possible within the
scope of a single article to analyse all of Mao’s contributions to
philosophy. I shall try to dwell on one or two basic points of Mao’s
philosophy.
On Contradiction
One of Mao’s main philosophical works is his essay ‘On Contradiction’,
in which he deals with the universality of contradiction in men and matter
and how development takes place as a result of clash of the contradictions
that are always present. The first sentence of this essay states: “The law
of contradiction in things, that is, the law of the unity of opposites, is the
basic law of materialist dialectics”. It is a most profound statement.
Simply, this law means that motion is inherent in all forms of matter and
that motion, i.e. development, takes place as a result of the development
and clash of contradictions that are always present, and, further, between
the different aspects of each contradiction there is both identity and
struggle; and that, through the process of developing contradictions, a
thing or a phenomenon changes into its opposite. Thus, Comrade Mao
Tse-tung in one sentence explained the basic law of materialist dialectics.
A most systematic exposition of Marxist dialectics by one of the founders
of scientific socialism, Engels, is to be found in one of his most famous
works ‘Anti-Dühring’. This is a very important book because it refutes
all forms of fallacies spread so assiduously by Dühring. The most
important mistake of Dühring was that he had negated the law of
contradiction. He held that contradictions were only artificia etc etc
abelard
2017-09-10 23:35:47 UTC
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you want a vote to tell you what to believe?

you want a consensus? what if the vote is close?

or being a socialist, i s'pose you want to silence any dissent
from any majority you may find?

what is a 'religious stance'?


On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 14:56:14 -0700 (PDT), gramps
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Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude whether Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious faith, or are atheists.
i have no 'fury'...you are therefore projecting that

what is 'faith'? what if a person believes 5%...or 22%....or 73%
what does 'believe' mean?
how will you detect how much or little or any, that anyone 'believes'?
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What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a rooks-in-the-elms Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike you as a catholic or a convert?
Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both British and American capitalists side with the notion that their nation is a Christian nation.
communism/socialism kills by the 10s of millions and impoverishes
everywhere it takes root...

what has that to do with 'capitalism'?

do you mean by 'capitalism', materialism? marxist materialism
perhaps?
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Any comments?
i've given you a few....

enjoy yourself..i sure will
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7
2017-09-11 16:03:03 UTC
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Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude whether
Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious faith, or are
atheists.
What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a rooks-in-the-elms
Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike you as a catholic or a
convert?
Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both British
and American capitalists side with the notion that their nation is a
Christian nation.
Any comments?
It all depends - note their reactions to definition of god:

God is a personal belief in a deity which that person wishes
to infect others with.
abelard
2017-09-11 16:14:20 UTC
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Their fury on religious topics makes it so hard to conclude whether
Abelard and Heloise (sorry: saracene) hold any religious faith, or are
atheists.
What do people think? Does saracene sound much like a rooks-in-the-elms
Church-of-England person? Does saracene strike you as a catholic or a
convert?
Their anticommunism implies a preference for capitalism, and both British
and American capitalists side with the notion that their nation is a
Christian nation.
Any comments?
God is a personal belief in a deity which that person wishes
to infect others with.
not my concern or business what others believe in unless
they are anti-social

what is a 'deity'?

is do believe that a good generalisation is that you're all mad

you have no way of knowing what anther person 'believes' in...
you only have their slippery words
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