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Powerful Scientific Studies Prove That People Who Believe In Climate Change Are Morons
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Dellingpole 65
2017-08-02 01:06:05 UTC
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A new scientific study held by researchers at Harvard
University and Yale University has definitively proven that
people that don’t believe that climate change is real are of
extremely low intelligence.

“This study confirms what everyone already knew,” said Paul
Mosely, author of the study and a research scientist at Harvard
University. “At this point, if someone doesn’t believe that
climate change has been proven to be a legitimate concern by
scientific community, then that person is most likely an
idiot.”

The study of 10,232 Americans found that people who were
climate change deniers had an average IQ score of 85.

“Research proves that time and time again, if someone doubts
that climate change is real and caused by human activity, that
person is within the 80-90 range of IQ known as ‘dull.’ I don’t
want to stupid shame, that’s not what we do here. But, well,
people who don’t think climate change is real are stupid and
they should be ashamed of themselves.”

The study was published last week in the journal Scientific
American.

Data from the study came from the National Intelligence Survey
of Youth 2010 (NISY10), a national survey of people who were
between 18-32 years old when they were first interviewed in
2010.

In 2012, all participants were asked, “Do you believe that
climate change is real and caused by human activity?”

Some conservative critics have suggested that this was a
‘loaded gotcha question’ and that the correlation is merely a
coincidence.

Mosely said that despite the expected backlash, the major
finding was almost certainly still true: people who don’t
respect the overwhelming conclusion of the scientific community
that climate change is real are most likely morons.
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2017-08-02 08:51:42 UTC
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Post by Dellingpole 65
A new scientific study held by researchers at Harvard
University and Yale University
With no peer reviewed data of course.


2017 The Hootiest Year on Record (THYoR)
----------------------------------------


I plotted Amerikkka's hootiest climate trolls cum scientits, and produced
a graph that shows 2017 is the most hootiest climate change year
of all years.

I cannot reveal the numbers because it is personal intellectual property
like this NASA scientit

http://principia-scientific.org/breaking-fatal-courtroom-act-ruins-michael-hockey-stick-mann/

even though I was funded by the tax payer to do this work.
In Amerikkka, the land of the free,
I can commit any kind of fraudulent research and round it off by
fabricating data, and claim it is personal intellectual
property without anyone peer reviewing the data of
my work until it is published in some official looking Hoot mongering
journal with my fabricated data hidden from peer review process.

My work involved secretly lowering Hooting levels of climate workers
on various pretext pre-1969 so that you can't obviously go back and
check the data, and so when you plot the graph now, every year is now
the most Hootiest climate change year on record!

$$$!! Mission accomplished!


Amrikkkan fsckwit researchers and NASA glow ball wamming trolls
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https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

None of the organizations mentioned from NASA to these below:

American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Chemical Society
American Geophysical Union
American Medical Association
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
The Geological Society of America
U.S. National Academy of Sciences
U.S. Global Change Research Program
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

have seen Hanson's fake data used to fabricate
glow ball wamming - so if they did not see
Hanson's data, these Amerikkkan institutes are fakers
without seeing any data from Hanson troll to back them up.

The judge wanted to see it:

http://principia-scientific.org/breaking-fatal-courtroom-act-ruins-michael-hockey-stick-mann/

But the fcktard refused claiming it is personal intellectual property.

There is no such thing as personal intellectual property
when science is funded by the public purse, and
at the very least it is dishonest to take such a position,
which means all the *FSCKING* AMERIKKKAN institutes
who supported Hanson have *NEVER* seen Hanson's data
and fraudulently support fake science which they
themselves have not peer reviewed!!!!!

What a fscking result for Amrikkkan fraud science
and the glow ball wamming meme!!

Glow ball wammers are desperate to keep their meme alive
so they then engage in utterly stuupppidd malpractice
to deceive the public.


How glow ball wamming fraudsters use malpractice to adjust data
---------------------------------------------------------------

There two patterns that glow ball wammers and their
data fiddle methods follow.

It has been repeated enough to be noticed.

1. First part of the fraud is to
adjust older data to make it appear cooler
and then draw the graph. Recent data is left
untouched otherwise you will spot the fraud.
So when the graph is plotted, every years is
now the hottest year on record.

The utter fscking asssholes!!

2. The second part of the fiddle is to claim that
the data they used is personal intellectual
data and cannot be revealed
which may wash in Amerikkka, but it is
fraud in any other country, particularly if
the research is paid for by the tax payer.

Hiding your fraudulent data converts all Amerikkkan
researchers into fraudsters and they should not
be allowed to publish whilst they claim all
their fraudulent data is personal intellectual
data - because it has not been peer reviewed.

A professional scientific peer review process
relies on reviewing the data for checks and balances,
like an accountant relies on the books to check
sample invoices to match up numbers to detect fraud.

So any scientific peer reviewed publisher
is now obligated to check the original data, and
if there has been a fiddle, decline publishing,
and if the data is being withheld, then the
publisher MUST indicate that the data has been
withheld, the reason must be given, and offer
to publish with caveat to the readers that the
entire data set has NOT BEEN CHECKED, so that that
paper did not pass the usual quality checks
needed to be a work of scientific merit that has
been fully peer reviewed.


All this hooting malpractice is making me feel baked!

Climate change now accelerated to 1 degree per HOUR!!!!

As the Sun cums up, the earth's temperature goes up
average 1 degree per hour. And when then Sun cums
down, the globe cools 1 degree per hour.

Climate is changing every hour!

Awe noooo! This is making me crispy and toasted.

Can I have a bacon sandwich to top it all off?
Bill Steele
2017-08-03 16:54:36 UTC
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Seaview
2017-08-03 17:13:12 UTC
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Dumb fuck!

The climate is in constant change, always has been, always will be.

Enjoy our coming ice age, shitbag.
Wile E. Coyote
2017-08-06 14:56:02 UTC
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?

Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
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Coulter.

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abelard
2017-08-06 18:30:14 UTC
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On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:56:02 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
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Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...

nobody sane denies man made global warming....

except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
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Scout
2017-08-06 23:06:24 UTC
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On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:56:02 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
Post by Wile E. Coyote
Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
Which has all occurred before. After all, glaciers in the 1700's were still
less than 1% of their former expanse.

From your 'science' I might assert that one can look at flowers and the
generation of seeds as proof that fairies exist.

Simply asserting a link doesn't PROVE the link.
Post by abelard
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
Actually a lot of sane people seriously question the assertions that man
made global warming is even a thing.

After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?
Post by abelard
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
You mean like those people who push for solar power and wind
power....building the stuff in China and producing a lot of pollution so
that they can pretend that the pollution didn't occur because it occurred
elsewhere?

Same can be said for the wonderful 'green' electric cars. Lot's of
pollution, but if it doesn't have a tail pipe then suddenly the pollution
from it no longer counts.
abelard
2017-08-07 00:19:32 UTC
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On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 19:06:24 -0400, "Scout"
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:56:02 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
Post by Wile E. Coyote
Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
Which has all occurred before. After all, glaciers in the 1700's were still
less than 1% of their former expanse.
so what? do you know the trend records over the last 800,000 years...
of course you don't...
do you know how so-called ice-ages develop and recede?

of course you don't
Post by Scout
from your 'science' I might assert that one can look at flowers and the
generation of seeds as proof that fairies exist.
Simply asserting a link doesn't PROVE the link.
so you don't understand the difference between correlation and
causation and you don't understand the physics of forcing...
what a surprise
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
Actually a lot of sane people seriously question the assertions that man
made global warming is even a thing.
no they don't...those who try to minimise agw, but who actually know
anything, invariably put in some sort of codicil that 'of
course there is global warming' in para 4 or 6...
but then go on to minimise it...
Post by Scout
After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?
why should i waste time with an ignoramus like you?
why should anyone?
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
You mean like those people who push for solar power and wind
power....building the stuff in China and producing a lot of pollution so
that they can pretend that the pollution didn't occur because it occurred
elsewhere?
Same can be said for the wonderful 'green' electric cars. Lot's of
pollution, but if it doesn't have a tail pipe then suddenly the pollution
from it no longer counts.
you are the typical ignoramus...wind and pv won't solve the problems..
why are you so ignorant as to suppose they will??

looks like you've been swallowing the filthy fossil media propaganda

the only way you will solve the problems such as they may be, is clean
safe nuclear power...not bluddy wind mills

go study and stop wasting the time of people who have and do

please go away, you're embarrassing yourself
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Scout
2017-08-07 03:44:45 UTC
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On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 19:06:24 -0400, "Scout"
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:56:02 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
Post by Wile E. Coyote
Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
Which has all occurred before. After all, glaciers in the 1700's were still
less than 1% of their former expanse.
so what?
So, the fact they are still getting smaller, means little to nothing.
Post by abelard
do you know the trend records over the last 800,000 years...
of course you don't...
Yes, it's called an interglacial period because there is this thing called
global warming...

Man, however, hasn't even been around for most of that. So I don't see how
man can be blamed for it.
Post by abelard
do you know how so-called ice-ages develop and recede?
No, and neither does anyone else.
Post by abelard
of course you don't
Never claimed to. So congratulations you disproved something I've never
claimed.

Bet you feel like a winner now that you've beaten up your strawman.
Post by abelard
Post by Scout
from your 'science' I might assert that one can look at flowers and the
generation of seeds as proof that fairies exist.
Simply asserting a link doesn't PROVE the link.
so you don't understand the difference between correlation and
causation
I know that correlation doesn't imply causality.

I know you can have all sorts of correlations without any causality at all.

I know that a true causality always results in a correlation.
Post by abelard
and you don't understand the physics of forcing...
I know the physics of force, but the manner you're trying to use would seem
to indicate something other than physics are involved.
Post by abelard
what a surprise
Surprise that you can't address my comments, but can only attack your own
strawmen?

No, I can't say I find that surprising.
Post by abelard
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
Actually a lot of sane people seriously question the assertions that man
made global warming is even a thing.
no they don't...
Actually they do.
Post by abelard
those who try to minimise agw, but who actually know
anything, invariably put in some sort of codicil that 'of
course there is global warming' in para 4 or 6...
But that's not an admission that man caused it.
Post by abelard
but then go on to minimise it...
Minimize what? That man's impact on climate has not been show to be at all
significant or relevant to the findings because the error factor exceeds the
level of man's possible influence on the global climate?
Post by abelard
Post by Scout
After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?
why should i waste time with an ignoramus like you?
Because otherwise, you're left looking like you're running away from an
established fact that your position can't deal with?
Post by abelard
why should anyone?
For the same reason.
Post by abelard
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
You mean like those people who push for solar power and wind
power....building the stuff in China and producing a lot of pollution so
that they can pretend that the pollution didn't occur because it occurred
elsewhere?
Same can be said for the wonderful 'green' electric cars. Lot's of
pollution, but if it doesn't have a tail pipe then suddenly the pollution
from it no longer counts.
you are the typical ignoramus...wind and pv won't solve the problems..
Of course not, because all evidence would indicate that man isn't the cause,
thus we're not the solution either.
Post by abelard
why are you so ignorant as to suppose they will??
Nope, but some people are.
Post by abelard
looks like you've been swallowing the filthy fossil media propaganda
Which would seem to indicate you are among such people.
Post by abelard
the only way you will solve the problems such as they may be, is clean
safe nuclear power...not bluddy wind mills
I would tend to agree that would be a step towards reducing our pollution,
but not that it would have any impact on global warming.
Post by abelard
go study and stop wasting the time of people who have and do
please go away, you're embarrassing yourself
You mean I should go away because I'm embarrassing you.
abelard
2017-08-07 10:23:09 UTC
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On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 19:06:24 -0400, "Scout"
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:56:02 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
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Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
Which has all occurred before. After all, glaciers in the 1700's were still
less than 1% of their former expanse.
so what?
So, the fact they are still getting smaller, means little to nothing.
i'm not wasting time on you...you ignorance is monumental...
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Scout
2017-08-08 01:53:17 UTC
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On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 23:44:45 -0400, "Scout"
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 19:06:24 -0400, "Scout"
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:56:02 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
Post by Wile E. Coyote
Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
Which has all occurred before. After all, glaciers in the 1700's were still
less than 1% of their former expanse.
so what?
So, the fact they are still getting smaller, means little to nothing.
i'm not wasting time on you...you ignorance is monumental...
IOW, you can't argue or even refute the points I'm making, so you're going
to pull your skirts over your head and live with your ignorance and
delusions because you don't want to discuss the truth.
Wile E. Coyote
2017-08-09 02:40:37 UTC
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so what? do you know the trend records over the last 800,000 years...
of course you don't...
do you know how so-called ice-ages develop and recede?
of course you don't
Which kinda proves his point.
--
It's time for the students to step up their game and kill people like
Coulter.

Siri Cruise <***@yahoo.com> April 25, 2017
Scout
2017-08-09 03:40:33 UTC
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so what? do you know the trend records over the last 800,000 years...
of course you don't...
do you know how so-called ice-ages develop and recede?
of course you don't
Which kinda proves his point.
DING DING DING!

We have a winner, just pick something from the top shelf.
Trevor Wilson
2017-08-08 00:20:18 UTC
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Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
Which has all occurred before. After all, glaciers in the 1700's were
still less than 1% of their former expanse.
**And they are retreating MUCH faster today than at any time in the past
150 years.
Post by Scout
From your 'science' I might assert that one can look at flowers and the
generation of seeds as proof that fairies exist.
Simply asserting a link doesn't PROVE the link.
Post by abelard
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
Actually a lot of sane people seriously question the assertions that man
made global warming is even a thing.
**Incorrect. Sane people examine the science that shows how excess CO2
is causing the present warming.
Post by Scout
After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?
**Rhetorical question. The observed warming has not 'stopped'. It has
continued, although at a slower rate.
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
You mean like those people who push for solar power and wind
power....building the stuff in China and producing a lot of pollution so
that they can pretend that the pollution didn't occur because it
occurred elsewhere?
Same can be said for the wonderful 'green' electric cars. Lot's of
pollution, but if it doesn't have a tail pipe then suddenly the
pollution from it no longer counts.
**That would depend on where the power is obtained. That said, electric
vehicles make a compelling case in a number of areas:

* A high number of kms driven involve very short trips, where an IC
engine is barely warmed up. Until it is warm, an IC engine is
spectacularly inefficient. Large amounts of CO2 and other pollutants are
released before operating temperature is reached. An electric motor
operates are around 90% efficiency, whether it is cold or hot (slightly
less efficient at elevated temperatures). IC engines operate at less
than 35% efficiency (45% for Diesel) AT BEST.
* Almost all electric vehicles recover considerable amounts of energy
through regenerative braking. IC engined vehicles do not (unless they
have supplementary electric propulsion - aka: Toyota Prius, et al)
* The average miles driven by Americans each day is around 37. Sure,
some drive much more, but many drive much less. For those who drive
small numbers of miles each day and who own electric vehicles, it would
be possible to (say) install Solar PV cells on the roof of the residence
and/or garage and dedicate that power to recharging the EV. Thus, the EV
could be driven without any pollution issues.
* There are a number of US power companies that supply electricity
through renewable energy sources.
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Scout
2017-08-08 02:27:31 UTC
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Post by Scout
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Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
Which has all occurred before. After all, glaciers in the 1700's were
still less than 1% of their former expanse.
**And they are retreating MUCH faster today than at any time in the past
150 years.
BFD.

Geologically speaking 150 years isn't even a blip.

Heck, it's barely a blip on recorded human history, which if you bothered to
look at would show that the global temperatures have been warmer than they
are now. Oh, I bet all the industrialization of preindustrial man caused all
that massive global warming way back then.

Temperatures go up, temperatures go down, temperatures go back
up......welcome to the natural cycle of climate.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
From your 'science' I might assert that one can look at flowers and the
generation of seeds as proof that fairies exist.
Simply asserting a link doesn't PROVE the link.
I take this to mean you're left without a rebuttal?
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
Actually a lot of sane people seriously question the assertions that man
made global warming is even a thing.
**Incorrect. Sane people examine the science that shows how excess CO2 is
causing the present warming.
Sorry, but science is showing that CO2 is trailing global temperatures, just
as it has historically.

Temperatures go up....then CO2 goes up.....not the other way around.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?
**Rhetorical question. The observed warming has not 'stopped'. It has
continued, although at a slower rate.
Is that based on the actual raw data, or the manipulated data?
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
You mean like those people who push for solar power and wind
power....building the stuff in China and producing a lot of pollution so
that they can pretend that the pollution didn't occur because it occurred
elsewhere?
Same can be said for the wonderful 'green' electric cars. Lot's of
pollution, but if it doesn't have a tail pipe then suddenly the pollution
from it no longer counts.
**That would depend on where the power is obtained.
Doesn't matter in the least.

https://www.wired.com/2016/03/teslas-electric-cars-might-not-green-think/

https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/01/19/tesla-motors-dirty-little-secret-is-a-major-proble.aspx
Sure, they allow fools to spend lots of extra money with the illusion they
are "helping to save the planet".
Post by Trevor Wilson
* A high number of kms driven involve very short trips, where an IC engine
is barely warmed up. Until it is warm, an IC engine is spectacularly
inefficient. Large amounts of CO2 and other pollutants are released before
operating temperature is reached. An electric motor operates are around
90% efficiency, whether it is cold or hot (slightly less efficient at
elevated temperatures).
Yep, and you loss another 10% or more in taking power from the battery

and another 10-20% to return the power to the battery

Then another 10-15% to convert ac to dc

and another 5-10% for the transformer hanging on the pole supplying your
home

an another for the substation transformer

Then add in line loses, generation loses, and the emissions require to
supply not only all the power you actually use, but all the power lost in
all the inefficiencies in the system.

Oh, but that's right, we're not suppose to look all the way back to the
source.

And this is the point where you claim it's going to be solar power, or wind
farms....and wanting to stop right there, rather than tracking those back to
see how much energy and pollution they require to build and install.
Post by Trevor Wilson
IC engines operate at less than 35% efficiency (45% for Diesel) AT BEST.
And care to consider the loses from the fuel your local power plant uses to
what is actually used for driving?

Oh, that's right, again, we're not suppose to look past the car itself,
because all those other loses aren't suppose to count.
Post by Trevor Wilson
* Almost all electric vehicles recover considerable amounts of energy
through regenerative braking.
regenerative braking does recover some energy, but most of it is still lose,
and even assuming total driver commitment to regenerative braking, the
amount of power actually recovered is minor. You can save far more by simply
controlling your right foot.
Post by Trevor Wilson
IC engined vehicles do not (unless they have supplementary electric
propulsion - aka: Toyota Prius, et al)
* The average miles driven by Americans each day is around 37.
And yet above you claimed most trips occur before the engine reaches
operating temperature.

You need to make up your mind.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Sure, some drive much more, but many drive much less. For those who drive
small numbers of miles each day and who own electric vehicles, it would be
possible to (say) install Solar PV cells on the roof of the residence
and/or garage and dedicate that power to recharging the EV.
I knew you would claim solar in there somewhere.

Now care to look up how much pollution and how much energy it takes to
produce your EV units?

Free hint. Until very recently it took more power to produce an EV unit that
they would produce in their operational life, and the pollution would make
what comes out of a tailpipe seem minor in comparison.

But that's ok, as long as the energy consumption and pollution doesn't occur
where the consumer sees it, then we can safely ignore the impact because
after all, it's not like we share the same atmosphere, hydrosphere,
biosystem or anything like that
Post by Trevor Wilson
Thus, the EV could be driven without any pollution issues.
Other than all the pollution required to produce them, and to dispose of
them when you're done with it.
Post by Trevor Wilson
* There are a number of US power companies that supply electricity through
renewable energy sources.
Yea, and have you checked the costs?
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:56:02 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
Post by Wile E. Coyote
Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
Which has all occurred before. After all, glaciers in the 1700's were
still less than 1% of their former expanse.
**And they are retreating MUCH faster today than at any time in the
past 150 years.
BFD.
Geologically speaking 150 years isn't even a blip.
**Irrelevant. The past 150 years have seen a rapid increase in CO2
levels and a consequent rapid increase in temperatures.
Post by Scout
Heck, it's barely a blip on recorded human history, which if you
bothered to look at would show that the global temperatures have been
warmer than they are now.
**Sure. CO2 levels were higher too. What's your point?


Oh, I bet all the industrialization of
Post by Scout
preindustrial man caused all that massive global warming way back then.
**Clearly, they did not. That would, of course, be a non-sequitur. In
ancient times, temperatures did rise higher than they are today. Since
humans were not around, then the cause was something other than human
CO2 release. However, over the past 150 years, we have seen a very rapid
release of CO2 via human emissions. As a consequence, the planet has
warmed more rapidly than at any time in the past million years (at least).
Post by Scout
Temperatures go up, temperatures go down, temperatures go back
up......welcome to the natural cycle of climate.
**There's the problem. The present warming is not 'natural'. It has been
caused by human actions. Unless you consider coal fired power plants and
automobiles 'natural'?
Post by Scout
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
From your 'science' I might assert that one can look at flowers and
the generation of seeds as proof that fairies exist.
Simply asserting a link doesn't PROVE the link.
I take this to mean you're left without a rebuttal?
**Rebut what?
Post by Scout
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
Actually a lot of sane people seriously question the assertions that
man made global warming is even a thing.
**Incorrect. Sane people examine the science that shows how excess CO2
is causing the present warming.
Sorry, but science is showing that CO2 is trailing global temperatures,
just as it has historically.
**And you you actually cared to study the data, you would realise just
how wrong you are. Over the past million years or so, proxy measurements
have shown that CO2 levels have led and lagged temperature levels. And
that's the rub: When one goes up, the other ALWAYS follows. Right now,
we have a CO2 led temperature rise. In the near future (within, say, the
next 100 ~ 200 years) we will probably witness a temperature led CO2
rise, as CO2 is outgassed from the oceans and methane is released in
huge amounts from permafrost regions (methane breaks down into CO2 quite
rapidly).

Study the data, BEFORE you make your ignorance known to all.
Post by Scout
Temperatures go up....then CO2 goes up.....not the other way around.
**Incorrect. Several times in the past million years CO2 has led
temperature rise. Right now, we are seeing a CO2 led temperature rise,
so how you can claim it doesn't occur (when it is occurring right now)
is simply insanity.
Post by Scout
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?
**Rhetorical question. The observed warming has not 'stopped'. It has
continued, although at a slower rate.
Is that based on the actual raw data, or the manipulated data?
**Actual, real, measured data. Go look at the data.
Post by Scout
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
You mean like those people who push for solar power and wind
power....building the stuff in China and producing a lot of pollution
so that they can pretend that the pollution didn't occur because it
occurred elsewhere?
Same can be said for the wonderful 'green' electric cars. Lot's of
pollution, but if it doesn't have a tail pipe then suddenly the
pollution from it no longer counts.
**That would depend on where the power is obtained.
Doesn't matter in the least.
https://www.wired.com/2016/03/teslas-electric-cars-might-not-green-think/
https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/01/19/tesla-motors-dirty-little-secret-is-a-major-proble.aspx
Sure, they allow fools to spend lots of extra money with the illusion
they are "helping to save the planet".
Post by Trevor Wilson
* A high number of kms driven involve very short trips, where an IC
engine is barely warmed up. Until it is warm, an IC engine is
spectacularly inefficient. Large amounts of CO2 and other pollutants
are released before operating temperature is reached. An electric
motor operates are around 90% efficiency, whether it is cold or hot
(slightly less efficient at elevated temperatures).
Yep, and you loss another 10% or more in taking power from the battery
**Try around 30% efficiency loss. Try not to argue things that you don't
understand. You just look stupid.
Post by Scout
and another 10-20% to return the power to the battery
Then another 10-15% to convert ac to dc
**Why would you convert AC to DC. Take as much space as you need to
answer.
Post by Scout
and another 5-10% for the transformer hanging on the pole supplying your
home
an another for the substation transformer
Then add in line loses, generation loses, and the emissions require to
supply not only all the power you actually use, but all the power lost
in all the inefficiencies in the system.
Oh, but that's right, we're not suppose to look all the way back to the
source.
**Happy to look all the way back to the source, just as you will be
happy to look all the way back to the source of power losses in the
fossil fuel industry.
Post by Scout
And this is the point where you claim it's going to be solar power, or
wind farms....and wanting to stop right there, rather than tracking
those back to see how much energy and pollution they require to build
and install.
Post by Trevor Wilson
IC engines operate at less than 35% efficiency (45% for Diesel) AT BEST.
And care to consider the loses from the fuel your local power plant uses
to what is actually used for driving?
**Typical coal fired power plants run at over 40% efficiency. 24/7. An
IC engine operates at around 35% efficiency WHEN WARM. Cold, that figure
falls way below 10%.
Post by Scout
Oh, that's right, again, we're not suppose to look past the car itself,
because all those other loses aren't suppose to count.
**Not at all. I have no problem discussing ALL the inputs into a system.
In fact, it is essential.
Post by Scout
Post by Trevor Wilson
* Almost all electric vehicles recover considerable amounts of energy
through regenerative braking.
regenerative braking does recover some energy, but most of it is still
lose, and even assuming total driver commitment to regenerative braking,
the amount of power actually recovered is minor. You can save far more
by simply controlling your right foot.
**Figures please.
Post by Scout
Post by Trevor Wilson
IC engined vehicles do not (unless they have supplementary electric
propulsion - aka: Toyota Prius, et al)
* The average miles driven by Americans each day is around 37.
And yet above you claimed most trips occur before the engine reaches
operating temperature.
You need to make up your mind.
**Don't be a fuckwit. Read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average
Post by Scout
Post by Trevor Wilson
Sure, some drive much more, but many drive much less. For those who
drive small numbers of miles each day and who own electric vehicles,
it would be possible to (say) install Solar PV cells on the roof of
the residence and/or garage and dedicate that power to recharging the EV.
I knew you would claim solar in there somewhere.
Now care to look up how much pollution and how much energy it takes to
produce your EV units?
Free hint. Until very recently it took more power to produce an EV unit
that they would produce in their operational life, and the pollution
would make what comes out of a tailpipe seem minor in comparison.
**Solar PV cells have an energy payback period, here in Australia, of
between 6 months and 18 months. In parts of the US (like Cal, the figure
would likely be in the sub-12 months) and in other parts (like Oregon)
the payback would be more than 24 months. With a 25 year typical
life-span, it would seem you are just sprouting your customary ignorant
bullshit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power#Energy_payback
Post by Scout
But that's ok, as long as the energy consumption and pollution doesn't
occur where the consumer sees it, then we can safely ignore the impact
because after all, it's not like we share the same atmosphere,
hydrosphere, biosystem or anything like that
**Non-sequitur. Solar PV cells should be subject to exactly the same
industrial practices as any other manufactured product. Coal and oil,
OTOH, ARE damaging this planet and their use needs to be reduced
dramatically.
Post by Scout
Post by Trevor Wilson
Thus, the EV could be driven without any pollution issues.
Other than all the pollution required to produce them, and to dispose of
them when you're done with it.
**See above.
Post by Scout
Post by Trevor Wilson
* There are a number of US power companies that supply electricity
through renewable energy sources.
Yea, and have you checked the costs?
**Not in the US. The costs here, are not onerous. I know, because that's
where my power comes from.
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www.rageaudio.com.au
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Post by Scout
Post by abelard
On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:56:02 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
Post by Wile E. Coyote
Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
Which has all occurred before. After all, glaciers in the 1700's were
still less than 1% of their former expanse.
**And they are retreating MUCH faster today than at any time in the past
150 years.
No, they aren't.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
From your 'science' I might assert that one can look at flowers and the
generation of seeds as proof that fairies exist.
Simply asserting a link doesn't PROVE the link.
Post by abelard
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
Actually a lot of sane people seriously question the assertions that man
made global warming is even a thing.
**Incorrect. Sane people examine the science that shows how excess CO2
is causing the present warming.
Sane people know that such is a lie.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?
**Rhetorical question. The observed warming has not 'stopped'. It has
continued, although at a slower rate.
No it hasn't.



Don
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Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:20:18 +1000, Trevor Wilson
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:56:02 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
Post by Wile E. Coyote
Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
Which has all occurred before. After all, glaciers in the 1700's were
still less than 1% of their former expanse.
**And they are retreating MUCH faster today than at any time in the past
150 years.
No, they aren't.
**It's like shooting fish in a barrel with you morons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_glaciers_since_1850
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
From your 'science' I might assert that one can look at flowers and the
generation of seeds as proof that fairies exist.
Simply asserting a link doesn't PROVE the link.
Post by abelard
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
Actually a lot of sane people seriously question the assertions that man
made global warming is even a thing.
**Incorrect. Sane people examine the science that shows how excess CO2
is causing the present warming.
Sane people know that such is a lie.
**Every single climatologist on the planet tells us that more CO2 in the
atmosphere leads to higher temperatures.
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?
**Rhetorical question. The observed warming has not 'stopped'. It has
continued, although at a slower rate.
No it hasn't.
**Prove it, smartarse.
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:20:18 +1000, Trevor Wilson
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:56:02 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
Post by Wile E. Coyote
Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
Which has all occurred before. After all, glaciers in the 1700's were
still less than 1% of their former expanse.
**And they are retreating MUCH faster today than at any time in the past
150 years.
No, they aren't.
**It's like shooting fish in a barrel with you morons
That's nice; you're still wrong.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
From your 'science' I might assert that one can look at flowers and the
generation of seeds as proof that fairies exist.
Simply asserting a link doesn't PROVE the link.
Post by abelard
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
Actually a lot of sane people seriously question the assertions that man
made global warming is even a thing.
**Incorrect. Sane people examine the science that shows how excess CO2
is causing the present warming.
Sane people know that such is a lie.
**Every single climatologist on the planet tells us that more CO2 in the
atmosphere leads to higher temperatures.
No, no they don't. But it's nice of you to have bought into
that lie.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?
**Rhetorical question. The observed warming has not 'stopped'. It has
continued, although at a slower rate.
No it hasn't.
**Prove it, smartarse.
You made the claim, smartass. I do not have to disprove your
unproven claim, smartass.

Don
aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 13:56:30 +1000, Trevor Wilson
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Don Kresch
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:20:18 +1000, Trevor Wilson
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:56:02 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
Post by Wile E. Coyote
Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
Which has all occurred before. After all, glaciers in the 1700's were
still less than 1% of their former expanse.
**And they are retreating MUCH faster today than at any time in the past
150 years.
No, they aren't.
**It's like shooting fish in a barrel with you morons
That's nice; you're still wrong.
**OK then, YOU provide your counter-evidence. Here's mine that you
snipped, you dumb shit-for-brains:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_glaciers_since_1850
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
From your 'science' I might assert that one can look at flowers and the
generation of seeds as proof that fairies exist.
Simply asserting a link doesn't PROVE the link.
Post by abelard
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
Actually a lot of sane people seriously question the assertions that man
made global warming is even a thing.
**Incorrect. Sane people examine the science that shows how excess CO2
is causing the present warming.
Sane people know that such is a lie.
**Every single climatologist on the planet tells us that more CO2 in the
atmosphere leads to higher temperatures.
No, no they don't. But it's nice of you to have bought into
that lie.
**Cite 10 climatologists who deny that more CO2 in the atmosphere causes
higher temperatures on this planet.
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?
**Rhetorical question. The observed warming has not 'stopped'. It has
continued, although at a slower rate.
No it hasn't.
**Prove it, smartarse.
You made the claim,
**Actually, dickhead, YOU made the claim. Here are your words:

"After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?"

Prove it, or shut the fuck up.



smartass. I do not have to disprove your
Post by Don Kresch
unproven claim, smartass.
**Indeed. You have to prove YOUR insane claims. Over to you.
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 13:56:30 +1000, Trevor Wilson
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Don Kresch
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:20:18 +1000, Trevor Wilson
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:56:02 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
Post by Wile E. Coyote
Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
Which has all occurred before. After all, glaciers in the 1700's were
still less than 1% of their former expanse.
**And they are retreating MUCH faster today than at any time in the past
150 years.
No, they aren't.
**It's like shooting fish in a barrel with you morons
That's nice; you're still wrong.
**OK then, YOU provide your counter-evidence. Here's mine
It's not evidence.

By the way: how's that debunked hockey-stick graph working for
you? How about the emails showing that there was a conspiracy to
stonewall and not let any data get out--in complete violation of basic
scientific principles! YOU ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS SHOW YOUR FUCKING
DATA. ALWAYS. And they refused. They had something to hide, i.e. the
fact that AGW is on-par with "intelligent design" as far as actual
science goes.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
From your 'science' I might assert that one can look at flowers and the
generation of seeds as proof that fairies exist.
Simply asserting a link doesn't PROVE the link.
Post by abelard
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
Actually a lot of sane people seriously question the assertions that man
made global warming is even a thing.
**Incorrect. Sane people examine the science that shows how excess CO2
is causing the present warming.
Sane people know that such is a lie.
**Every single climatologist on the planet tells us that more CO2 in the
atmosphere leads to higher temperatures.
No, no they don't. But it's nice of you to have bought into
that lie.
**Cite 10 climatologists who deny that more CO2 in the atmosphere causes
higher temperatures on this planet.
Don't need to. Your claim. You prove.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?
**Rhetorical question. The observed warming has not 'stopped'. It has
continued, although at a slower rate.
No it hasn't.
**Prove it, smartarse.
You made the claim, smartass. I do not have to disprove your
unproven claim, smartass.
**Indeed.
So get to proving your unproven claim, smartass.

Over to you, smartass.

Don
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Don Kresch
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 13:56:30 +1000, Trevor Wilson
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Don Kresch
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:20:18 +1000, Trevor Wilson
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:56:02 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
Post by Wile E. Coyote
Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
Which has all occurred before. After all, glaciers in the 1700's were
still less than 1% of their former expanse.
**And they are retreating MUCH faster today than at any time in the past
150 years.
No, they aren't.
**It's like shooting fish in a barrel with you morons
That's nice; you're still wrong.
**OK then, YOU provide your counter-evidence. Here's mine
It's not evidence.
**Then YOU submit your counter-evidence. Here is what you snipped:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_glaciers_since_1850
Post by Don Kresch
By the way: how's that debunked hockey-stick graph working for
you?
**Strawman duly noted. We're discussing glacial retreat. I supplied the
evidence. You need to supply your counter-evidence.


How about the emails showing that there was a conspiracy to
Post by Don Kresch
stonewall and not let any data get out--in complete violation of basic
scientific principles! YOU ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS SHOW YOUR FUCKING
DATA. ALWAYS. And they refused. They had something to hide, i.e. the
fact that AGW is on-par with "intelligent design" as far as actual
science goes.
**More strawman arguments don't help you cause. Supply your evidence.
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
From your 'science' I might assert that one can look at flowers and the
generation of seeds as proof that fairies exist.
Simply asserting a link doesn't PROVE the link.
Post by abelard
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
Actually a lot of sane people seriously question the assertions that man
made global warming is even a thing.
**Incorrect. Sane people examine the science that shows how excess CO2
is causing the present warming.
Sane people know that such is a lie.
**Every single climatologist on the planet tells us that more CO2 in the
atmosphere leads to higher temperatures.
No, no they don't. But it's nice of you to have bought into
that lie.
**Cite 10 climatologists who deny that more CO2 in the atmosphere causes
higher temperatures on this planet.
Don't need to. Your claim. You prove.
**I just did. Every climatologist on the planet accepts AGW theory. Even
those employed by The Heartland Institute. Since there are none that
dispute the theory, it is impossible for me to present a null result.
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Don Kresch
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Scout
After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?
**Rhetorical question. The observed warming has not 'stopped'. It has
continued, although at a slower rate.
No it hasn't.
**Prove it, smartarse.
You made the claim, smartass. I do not have to disprove your
unproven claim, smartass.
**Indeed.
So get to proving your unproven claim, smartass.
**Actually, dickhead, YOU made the claim. Here are your words:

"After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?"

Prove it, or shut the fuck up.
Post by Don Kresch
Over to you, smartass.
**YOU made the claim:

"After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?"

Prove it, or shut the fuck up. Your pitiful attempt at snipping comments
is duly noted.
Post by Don Kresch
Don
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years.
Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
Which has all occurred before. After all, glaciers in the 1700's were
still less than 1% of their former expanse.
**And they are retreating MUCH faster today than at any time in the past
150 years.
No, they aren't.
**It's like shooting fish in a barrel with you morons
That's nice; you're still wrong.
**OK then, YOU provide your counter-evidence. Here's mine
It's not evidence.
**Then
You need to submit evidence.
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By the way: how's that debunked hockey-stick graph working for
you?
**Strawman duly noted.
No strawman at all. Please learn how to identify a strawman.
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How about the emails showing that there was a conspiracy to
Post by Don Kresch
stonewall and not let any data get out--in complete violation of basic
scientific principles! YOU ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS SHOW YOUR FUCKING
DATA. ALWAYS. And they refused. They had something to hide, i.e. the
fact that AGW is on-par with "intelligent design" as far as actual
science goes.
**More strawman
Your inability to be honest is noted.
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From your 'science' I might assert that one can look at flowers and the
generation of seeds as proof that fairies exist.
Simply asserting a link doesn't PROVE the link.
Post by abelard
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
Actually a lot of sane people seriously question the assertions that man
made global warming is even a thing.
**Incorrect. Sane people examine the science that shows how excess CO2
is causing the present warming.
Sane people know that such is a lie.
**Every single climatologist on the planet tells us that more CO2 in the
atmosphere leads to higher temperatures.
No, no they don't. But it's nice of you to have bought into
that lie.
**Cite 10 climatologists who deny that more CO2 in the atmosphere causes
higher temperatures on this planet.
Don't need to. Your claim. You prove.
**I just did.
No, no you didn't.

btw: AGW is a "theory" if and only if "intelligent design" is
as well. And ID isn't a theory.
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After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?
**Rhetorical question. The observed warming has not 'stopped'. It has
continued, although at a slower rate.
No it hasn't.
**Prove it, smartarse.
You made the claim, smartass. I do not have to disprove your
unproven claim, smartass.
**Indeed.
So get to proving your unproven claim, smartass.
**Actually
Get to proving your unproven claim, smartass.

Not enjoying being told that you have to prove your claim? Not
enjoying that someone isn't kowtowing to your anti-science bullshit?
Tough shit.


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2017-08-09 01:28:26 UTC
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we
can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years.
Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
Which has all occurred before. After all, glaciers in the 1700's were
still less than 1% of their former expanse.
**And they are retreating MUCH faster today than at any time in the past
150 years.
No, they aren't.
**It's like shooting fish in a barrel with you morons
That's nice; you're still wrong.
**OK then, YOU provide your counter-evidence. Here's mine
It's not evidence.
**Then
You need to submit evidence.
**Already done, fuckwit:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_glaciers_since_1850

Keep snipping it if it makes you feel better.

Where is your counter-evidence?
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By the way: how's that debunked hockey-stick graph working for
you?
**Strawman duly noted.
No strawman at all. Please learn how to identify a strawman.
**It most certainly is a strawman. We're discussing receding glaciers,
you moron. YOU introduced another topic. You can discuss it all you
want. I will continue to press you on your lack of evidence to support
your nonsensical notions about expanding glaciers.
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How about the emails showing that there was a conspiracy to
Post by Don Kresch
stonewall and not let any data get out--in complete violation of basic
scientific principles! YOU ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS SHOW YOUR FUCKING
DATA. ALWAYS. And they refused. They had something to hide, i.e. the
fact that AGW is on-par with "intelligent design" as far as actual
science goes.
**More strawman
Your inability to be honest is noted.
**You introduce strawman arguments and you call me dishonest?
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From your 'science' I might assert that one can look at flowers and the
generation of seeds as proof that fairies exist.
Simply asserting a link doesn't PROVE the link.
Post by abelard
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
Actually a lot of sane people seriously question the assertions that man
made global warming is even a thing.
**Incorrect. Sane people examine the science that shows how excess CO2
is causing the present warming.
Sane people know that such is a lie.
**Every single climatologist on the planet tells us that more CO2 in the
atmosphere leads to higher temperatures.
No, no they don't. But it's nice of you to have bought into
that lie.
**Cite 10 climatologists who deny that more CO2 in the atmosphere causes
higher temperatures on this planet.
Don't need to. Your claim. You prove.
**I just did.
No, no you didn't.
btw: AGW is a "theory" if and only if "intelligent design" is
as well. And ID isn't a theory.
**Natural Selection is a theory. An highly credible one. Intelligent
Design is just stupid.
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After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?
**Rhetorical question. The observed warming has not 'stopped'. It has
continued, although at a slower rate.
No it hasn't.
**Prove it, smartarse.
You made the claim, smartass. I do not have to disprove your
unproven claim, smartass.
**Indeed.
So get to proving your unproven claim, smartass.
**Actually
Get to proving your unproven claim, smartass.
**Here, again, is the claim that you have failed miserably to prove:

"After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?"

Prove it, or shut the fuck up.
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Not enjoying being told that you have to prove your claim?
**YOU are the one who made the claim:

"After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?"


Not
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enjoying that someone isn't kowtowing to your anti-science bullshit?
**Unfortunately (for you), you have failed to substantiate your claim:

"After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?"

Prove it, or shut the fuck up.
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On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:56:02 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we
can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years.
Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
Which has all occurred before. After all, glaciers in the 1700's were
still less than 1% of their former expanse.
**And they are retreating MUCH faster today than at any time in the past
150 years.
No, they aren't.
**It's like shooting fish in a barrel with you morons
That's nice; you're still wrong.
**OK then, YOU provide your counter-evidence. Here's mine
It's not evidence.
**Then
You need to submit evidence.
**Already done
You keep posting that which is not evidence.
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By the way: how's that debunked hockey-stick graph working for
you?
**Strawman duly noted.
No strawman at all. Please learn how to identify a strawman.
**It most certainly is a strawman.
No, it's not. Learn what a strawman is, fuckwit.
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How about the emails showing that there was a conspiracy to
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stonewall and not let any data get out--in complete violation of basic
scientific principles! YOU ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS SHOW YOUR FUCKING
DATA. ALWAYS. And they refused. They had something to hide, i.e. the
fact that AGW is on-par with "intelligent design" as far as actual
science goes.
**More strawman
Your inability to be honest is noted.
**You introduce strawman
And yet I do not. Please stop lying.

I posted some facts. I didn't say that you said anything about
them. I asked you about them. Now if I had said that you had said
anything about them and attributed them to you, then it would be a
strawman. But I didn't. So no strawman, fuckwit.

Fuck, you are fucking stupid. Galactically fucking stupid.
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From your 'science' I might assert that one can look at flowers and the
generation of seeds as proof that fairies exist.
Simply asserting a link doesn't PROVE the link.
Post by abelard
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
Actually a lot of sane people seriously question the assertions that man
made global warming is even a thing.
**Incorrect. Sane people examine the science that shows how excess CO2
is causing the present warming.
Sane people know that such is a lie.
**Every single climatologist on the planet tells us that more CO2 in the
atmosphere leads to higher temperatures.
No, no they don't. But it's nice of you to have bought into
that lie.
**Cite 10 climatologists who deny that more CO2 in the atmosphere causes
higher temperatures on this planet.
Don't need to. Your claim. You prove.
**I just did.
No, no you didn't.
btw: AGW is a "theory" if and only if "intelligent design" is
as well. And ID isn't a theory.
**Natural Selection is a theory.
Yes it is. But ID isn't. Nor is AGW. They are both garbage.
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After all.....if it were, then why did it stop for most of the last 2
decades?
**Rhetorical question. The observed warming has not 'stopped'. It has
continued, although at a slower rate.
No it hasn't.
**Prove it, smartarse.
You made the claim, smartass. I do not have to disprove your
unproven claim, smartass.
**Indeed.
So get to proving your unproven claim, smartass.
**Actually
Get to proving your unproven claim, smartass.
Not enjoying being told that you have to prove your claim?
Nope. Not me.

Prove your claim or shut the fuck up.


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By the way: how's that debunked hockey-stick graph working for
you? How about the emails showing that there was a conspiracy to
stonewall and not let any data get out--in complete violation of basic
scientific principles! YOU ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS SHOW YOUR FUCKING
DATA. ALWAYS. And they refused. They had something to hide, i.e. the
fact that AGW is on-par with "intelligent design" as far as actual
science goes.
as the fellow says...strawman...

you may as well claim the 'intelligent design theory' or 'darwinian
evolution theory' disproves agw or receding glacier series....

there is no point in your immature arguing as long as you remain
intellectually unarmed...
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Actually a lot of sane people seriously question the assertions that man
made global warming is even a thing.
**Incorrect. Sane people examine the science that shows how excess CO2
is causing the present warming.
I willing to accept sane people and wingnuts as different partitions.
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Same can be said for the wonderful 'green' electric cars. Lot's of
pollution, but if it doesn't have a tail pipe then suddenly the
pollution from it no longer counts.
**That would depend on where the power is obtained. That said, electric
Also big fossil fuel generators are at fixed location and a single point of
exhaust. This makes possible carbon capture that is impossible with millions of
exhausts over the entire countryside. It possible to capture all the carbon
dioxide from natural gas or even coal at a generator, cool it to a liquid, and
then sequester it underground or undersea. Eventually pressure will release
oxygen and anything else, creating new coal or hydrocarbon deposits. I don't
think has done this affordably yet, but people are trying.
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operates are around 90% efficiency, whether it is cold or hot (slightly
less efficient at elevated temperatures). IC engines operate at less
than 35% efficiency (45% for Diesel) AT BEST.
And fixed generators provide a small number of sites to update as technology
innovates. They also operate under more predictable loads to allow increased
operating efficiency.
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You mean like those people who push for solar power and wind
power....building the stuff in China and producing a lot of pollution so
that they can pretend that the pollution didn't occur because it
occurred elsewhere?
Innovations that make fossil fuels cleaner would like inspire innovations to
make everything else cleaner. Taxes based on pollution during manufacture, use,
and decommision would normalise the cost of each kind of generator to the
biosphere and provide incentives to reduce.
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* The average miles driven by Americans each day is around 37. Sure,
some drive much more, but many drive much less. For those who drive
And a miniscule number of fossil fuel vehicles with no viable alternative can be
accomodated by the biosphere. I feel no need to accomodate other people who
pollute because they want impressive sounding motors (install bass speakers) or
they want to stick it the hippies (only you are still angry Sally ran off to
Woodstock).
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* There are a number of US power companies that supply electricity
through renewable energy sources.
And some jurisdictions accept the costs of forcing this, incidentally funding
innovations for other jurisdictions.

Most important: end all imported oil and we don't have to give a shit what one
middle east (or south american or russian) hellhole does to another middle east
hellhole, and no longer send young people halfway around the world to kill and
be killed.
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Actually a lot of sane people seriously question the assertions that man
made global warming is even a thing.
**Incorrect. Sane people examine the science that shows how excess CO2
is causing the present warming.
I willing to accept sane people and wingnuts as different partitions.
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Post by Scout
Same can be said for the wonderful 'green' electric cars. Lot's of
pollution, but if it doesn't have a tail pipe then suddenly the
pollution from it no longer counts.
**That would depend on where the power is obtained. That said, electric
Compelling cases like this one?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4764208/Child-miners-aged-four-living-hell-Earth.html
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Pollution control is a different issue entirely. If you want to
advocate against pollution, the whole world will be with you. But do it
in the name of pollution control for its own sake, not in the name of
trying to control the climate. And carbon dioxide is not pollution.
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Pollution control is a different issue entirely. If you want to
advocate against pollution, the whole world will be with you. But do it
in the name of pollution control for its own sake, not in the name of
trying to control the climate. And carbon dioxide is not pollution.
why would i do that...

agw is a fact and a factor...

of course carbon dioxide is a pollutant relative to humans
if it lowers the holding capacity of the earth

i wish you idiots would stop trading in babble and sound bites
and turn to analysis instead
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Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Pollution control is a different issue entirely. If you want to
advocate against pollution, the whole world will be with you. But do it
in the name of pollution control for its own sake, not in the name of
trying to control the climate. And carbon dioxide is not pollution.
why would i do that...
Why would you want to advocate against pollution in the name of
pollution control for its own sake? Are you saying you don't give a
shit about pollution unless you think it affects the climate?
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agw is a fact and a factor...
Nope. Just a theory, which relies largely on models that do not track
reality very well.
Post by abelard
of course carbon dioxide is a pollutant relative to humans
if it lowers the holding capacity of the earth
What does "holding capacity of the earth" even mean? Do you imply that
a slight increase in atmospheric CO2 would reduce the capacity of the
earth to support homo sap? If that's what you're claiming, I'd sure
like to see the evidence. But you won't provide the evidence, because
you can't, because it doesn't exist.
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i wish you idiots would stop trading in babble ands
sound bite and turn to analysis instead
That's a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
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Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Pollution control is a different issue entirely. If you want to
advocate against pollution, the whole world will be with you. But do it
in the name of pollution control for its own sake, not in the name of
trying to control the climate. And carbon dioxide is not pollution.
why would i do that...
Why would you want to advocate against pollution in the name of
pollution control for its own sake? Are you saying you don't give a
shit about pollution unless you think it affects the climate?
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agw is a fact and a factor...
Nope. Just a theory, which relies largely on models that do not track
reality very well.
Post by abelard
of course carbon dioxide is a pollutant relative to humans
if it lowers the holding capacity of the earth
What does "holding capacity of the earth" even mean?
incredible
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Do you imply that
a slight increase in atmospheric CO2 would reduce the capacity of the
earth to support homo sap? If that's what you're claiming, I'd sure
like to see the evidence. But you won't provide the evidence, because
you can't, because it doesn't exist.
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i wish you idiots would stop trading in babble ands
sound bite and turn to analysis instead
That's a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
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2017-08-08 01:50:30 UTC
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Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Pollution control is a different issue entirely. If you want to
advocate against pollution, the whole world will be with you. But do it
in the name of pollution control for its own sake, not in the name of
trying to control the climate. And carbon dioxide is not pollution.
why would i do that...
agw is a fact and a factor...
So you claim but so far I'm not aware of any real evidence that shows the
global warming is a result of man's activities.

So agw is at best a theory.
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of course carbon dioxide is a pollutant relative to humans
if it lowers the holding capacity of the earth
Actually, it increases the holding capacity, by increasing plant growth,
increasing fresh water supplies, increasing the amount of arable lands, and
allowing more land for people and wild life to habitat.
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i wish you idiots would stop trading in babble and sound bites
and turn to analysis instead
Says the man who resorted to sound bites rather than analysis.
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Pollution control is a different issue entirely. If you want to
advocate against pollution, the whole world will be with you. But do it
in the name of pollution control for its own sake, not in the name of
trying to control the climate. And carbon dioxide is not pollution.
why would i do that...
agw is a fact and a factor...
So you claim but so far I'm not aware of any real evidence that shows the
global warming is a result of man's activities.
you low level of 'awareness' is not my problem...

i'm amazed to see anyone is patient with your immature babbling
Post by Scout
So agw is at best a theory.
you know nothing...your best policy therefore is to shut up
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
of course carbon dioxide is a pollutant relative to humans
if it lowers the holding capacity of the earth
Actually, it increases the holding capacity, by increasing plant growth,
increasing fresh water supplies, increasing the amount of arable lands, and
allowing more land for people and wild life to habitat.
Post by abelard
i wish you idiots would stop trading in babble and sound bites
and turn to analysis instead
Says the man who resorted to sound bites rather than analysis.
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Post by abelard
On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:56:02 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
Post by Wile E. Coyote
Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Pollution control is a different issue entirely. If you want to
advocate against pollution, the whole world will be with you. But do it
in the name of pollution control for its own sake, not in the name of
trying to control the climate. And carbon dioxide is not pollution.
why would i do that...
agw is a fact and a factor...
So you claim but so far I'm not aware of any real evidence that shows the
global warming is a result of man's activities.
you low level of 'awareness' is not my problem...
And apparently you're ignorant of any data to show that agw actually exists.
Post by abelard
i'm amazed to see anyone is patient with your immature babbling
So asking to see the evidence that supports your claims is 'immature'?
Post by abelard
Post by Scout
So agw is at best a theory.
you know nothing...your best policy therefore is to shut up
Really? Then you can show me where it's been established as occuring with
irrefutable proof?
Post by abelard
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
of course carbon dioxide is a pollutant relative to humans
if it lowers the holding capacity of the earth
Actually, it increases the holding capacity, by increasing plant growth,
increasing fresh water supplies, increasing the amount of arable lands, and
allowing more land for people and wild life to habitat.
I see you decided to take your own advice.
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Post by Scout
Post by abelard
i wish you idiots would stop trading in babble and sound bites
and turn to analysis instead
Says the man who resorted to sound bites rather than analysis.
Still taking your advice I see.
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Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Pollution control is a different issue entirely. If you want to
advocate against pollution, the whole world will be with you. But do it
in the name of pollution control for its own sake, not in the name of
trying to control the climate. And carbon dioxide is not pollution.
why would i do that...
agw is a fact and a factor...
So you claim but so far I'm not aware of any real evidence that shows
the global warming is a result of man's activities.
**You're kidding, aren't you?
Post by Scout
So agw is at best a theory.
**Yes. Just as Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is "just a
theory" too. Do you use a GPS? That GPS depends on Einstein's Special
Theory of Relativity. Still, it's just a theory. AGW theory presently
has around 97% confidence. IOW: It's a fact. If AGW theory had a 50%
confidence, you would have a point. It doesn't and you don't.
Post by Scout
Post by abelard
of course carbon dioxide is a pollutant relative to humans
if it lowers the holding capacity of the earth
Actually, it increases the holding capacity, by increasing plant growth,
increasing fresh water supplies, increasing the amount of arable lands,
and allowing more land for people and wild life to habitat.
**Australia's CSIRO has determined that many plants consume more water
under higher atmospheric CO2 levels. Additionally and more importantly,
more CO2 in the atmosphere is leading to changes in weather patterns.
Some areas are suffering desertification and others are experiencing
heavier rainfalls. Worse, some areas will be unfit for human survival,
due to very high temperatures.
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no
climate change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we
can actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years.
Indutrial man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot
are the scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Nobody with a functioning brain doesn't understand that warming and cooling
cycles were occuring long before man came along.
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Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no
climate change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we
can actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years.
Indutrial man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot
are the scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Nobody with a functioning brain doesn't understand that warming and cooling
cycles were occuring long before man came along.
**And anyone with a functioning brain understands that CO2 levels
contribute to planetary temperatures.
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Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no
climate change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we
can actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years.
Indutrial man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You
lot are the scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Nobody with a functioning brain doesn't understand that warming and
cooling cycles were occuring long before man came along.
**And anyone with a functioning brain understands that CO2 levels
contribute to planetary temperatures.
As I said.

My suggestion to you, boy, is to stop breathing.
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**And anyone with a functioning brain understands that CO2 levels
contribute to planetary temperatures.
As I said.
My suggestion to you, boy, is to stop breathing.
just another comment born of your indomitable ignorance...

even your mouth breathing is part of a natural cycle in
current balance
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2017-08-10 02:33:22 UTC
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**And anyone with a functioning brain understands that CO2 levels
contribute to planetary temperatures.
As I said.
My suggestion to you, boy, is to stop breathing.
just another comment born of your indomitable ignorance...
even your mouth breathing is part of a natural cycle in
current balance
Since your argument is based on 100 years out of 4.5 billion who really is
the fool?
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**And anyone with a functioning brain understands that CO2 levels
contribute to planetary temperatures.
As I said.
My suggestion to you, boy, is to stop breathing.
just another comment born of your indomitable ignorance...
even your mouth breathing is part of a natural cycle in
current balance
Since your argument is based on 100 years out of 4.5 billion who really is
the fool?
Heck, he can't even be bothered to look at the last 10,000 which we have
pretty solid evidence for what the exact global temperatures were.

Oh, but that would mean we're still recovering from The Little Ice Age, so
of course global temperatures could be expected to be increasing.
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2017-08-10 09:35:21 UTC
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Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no
climate change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we
can actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years.
Indutrial man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot
are the scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Nobody with a functioning brain doesn't understand that warming and cooling
cycles were occuring long before man came along.
**And anyone with a functioning brain understands that CO2 levels
contribute to planetary temperatures.
And SOB, science tells us that when temperatures warm up.....CO2 levels also
increase......

So, what's your point?
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2017-08-10 20:32:31 UTC
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On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:56:02 -0000 (UTC), "Wile E. Coyote"
Post by Wile E. Coyote
Post by Bill Steele
$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no
climate change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we
can actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years.
Indutrial man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot
are the scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Nobody with a functioning brain doesn't understand that warming and cooling
cycles were occuring long before man came along.
**And anyone with a functioning brain understands that CO2 levels
contribute to planetary temperatures.
And SOB, science tells us that when temperatures warm up.....CO2 levels
also increase......
**You finally got something right.
Post by Scout
So, what's your point?
**Humans are causing the temperature of the planet to reach levels that
may lead to a 'runaway' effect, where increased temperatures cause
increased amounts of CO2 to be released from the oceans (and methane to
be released from permafrost regions), thus causing temperatures to rise
higher still, causing more CO2 and methane to be released and so on.
Average temperatures could rise by as much as 10 degrees C or more. This
would be catastrophic for much of the planet as it will, inevitably lead
to large scale glacial melt and conditions in many parts of the planet
that will be hostile to human life.
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2017-08-10 21:09:51 UTC
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Post by Scout
So, what's your point?
**Humans are causing the temperature of the planet to reach levels that
may lead to a 'runaway' effect, where increased temperatures cause
increased amounts of CO2 to be released from the oceans (and methane to
be released from permafrost regions), thus causing temperatures to rise
higher still, causing more CO2 and methane to be released and so on.
Average temperatures could rise by as much as 10 degrees C or more. This
would be catastrophic for much of the planet as it will, inevitably lead
to large scale glacial melt and conditions in many parts of the planet
that will be hostile to human life.
Nope.

You have NO CLUE what you're whinging about.

LEARN:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm

Not our fault

Are we, the fossil-fuel-burning public, partially responsible for this
recent warming trend? Almost assuredly not.

These small global temperature increases of the last 25 years and over
the last century are likely natural changes that the globe has seen many
times in the past.


Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature changes

William M. Gray
Colorado State University
This small warming is likely a result of the natural alterations in
global ocean currents which are driven by ocean salinity variations.
Ocean circulation variations are as yet little understood.

Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature
changes. We are not that influential.

There is a negative or complementary nature to human-induced greenhouse
gas increases in comparison with the dominant natural greenhouse gas of
water vapour and its cloud derivatives.

It has been assumed by the human-induced global warming advocates that
as anthropogenic greenhouse gases increase that water vapour and
upper-level cloudiness will also rise and lead to accelerated warming -
a positive feedback loop.

It is not the human-induced greenhouse gases themselves which cause
significant warming but the assumed extra water vapour and cloudiness
that some scientists hypothesise.

Negative feedback

The global general circulation models which simulate significant amounts
of human-induced warming are incorrectly structured to give this
positive feedback loop.

Their internal model assumptions are thus not realistic.

Carbon dioxide BBC
Mainstream opinion believes that pollution contributes to climate change
As human-induced greenhouse gases rise, global-averaged upper-level
atmospheric water vapour and thin cirrus should be expected to decrease
not increase.

Water vapour and cirrus cloudiness should be thought of as a negative
rather than a positive feedback to human-induced - or anthropogenic
greenhouse gas increases.

No significant human-induced greenhouse gas warming can occur with such
a negative feedback loop.
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So, what's your point?
**Humans are causing the temperature of the planet to reach levels
that may lead to a 'runaway' effect, where increased temperatures
cause increased amounts of CO2 to be released from the oceans (and
methane to be released from permafrost regions), thus causing
temperatures to rise higher still, causing more CO2 and methane to be
released and so on. Average temperatures could rise by as much as 10
degrees C or more. This would be catastrophic for much of the planet
as it will, inevitably lead to large scale glacial melt and conditions
in many parts of the planet that will be hostile to human life.
Nope.
You have NO CLUE what you're whinging about.
**Wanna bet?
**How curious that you choose a news organisation for your science,
Post by SeaSnake
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm
**BZZZZTT!

Gray has had his theories on AGW rejected during the peer-review
process. He is employed by The Heartland Institute to peddle lies about
AGW. The Heartland Institute has a long history of peddling lies for
cash. It began with tobacco and has now moved onto defending the fossil
fuel industry against the overwhelming science.

The real question is this:

Why don't you read the PEER-REVIEWED science surrounding AGW theory?

Gray is a liar-for-hire.
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Why don't you read the PEER-REVIEWED science surrounding AGW theory?
Peer reviewed = peer grant-hetrded.

HTH

You insolent sheople.
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Why don't you read the PEER-REVIEWED science surrounding AGW theory?
I have. it's a socialist wet dream. And full of lies.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?
q=hide+the+decline&view=detail&mid=FF63861ED1AE77756605FF63861ED1AE77756605
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Why don't you read the PEER-REVIEWED science surrounding AGW theory?
I have. it's a socialist wet dream. And full of lies.
**Liar. However, I'll play along with your delusion for the moment. Go
to here:

http://www.ipcc.ch/

Read all of AR5 and post your evidence to prove which part/s are lies.
Your inability to do so, will reveal that your are just another deluded
fool.
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Why don't you read the PEER-REVIEWED science surrounding AGW theory?
I have. it's a socialist wet dream. And full of lies.
**Liar. However, I'll play along with your delusion for the moment. Go
http://www.ipcc.ch/
Read all of AR5 and post your evidence to prove which part/s are lies.
Your inability to do so, will reveal that your are just another deluded
fool.
IPCC? Really? Gloablist frauds. All they want is all the power and money
and for us serfs to listen to them, obediantly and without questioning.

Fuck that. They do not speak for me.
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Why don't you read the PEER-REVIEWED science surrounding AGW theory?
I have. it's a socialist wet dream. And full of lies.
**Liar. However, I'll play along with your delusion for the moment. Go
http://www.ipcc.ch/
Read all of AR5 and post your evidence to prove which part/s are lies.
Your inability to do so, will reveal that your are just another deluded
fool.
IPCC? Really? Gloablist frauds. All they want is all the power and money
and for us serfs to listen to them, obediantly and without questioning.
Fuck that. They do not speak for me.
Ditto that bro!
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Why don't you read the PEER-REVIEWED science surrounding AGW theory?
I have. it's a socialist wet dream. And full of lies.
**Liar. However, I'll play along with your delusion for the moment. Go
http://www.ipcc.ch/
Read all of AR5 and post your evidence to prove which part/s are lies.
Your inability to do so, will reveal that your are just another deluded
fool.
IPCC? Really?
**Yes, really.

Gloablist frauds.

**Then prove it moron. I await your proof.

All they want is all the power and money
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and for us serfs to listen to them, obediantly and without questioning.
**Then prove it. Thus far, all I hear from you is accusations of lies,
with zero proof.
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Fuck that. They do not speak for me.
**Insults are cheap. Submit your proof.
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2017-08-14 00:55:54 UTC
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Why don't you read the PEER-REVIEWED science surrounding AGW theory?
I have. it's a socialist wet dream. And full of lies.
**Liar. However, I'll play along with your delusion for the moment. Go
http://www.ipcc.ch/
Read all of AR5 and post your evidence to prove which part/s are lies.
Your inability to do so, will reveal that your are just another deluded
fool.
IPCC? Really?
**Yes, really.
Gloablist frauds.
**Then prove it moron. I await your proof.
Meanwhile, Trevor never backs up his claims in the manner he demands of
everyone else.
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Why don't you read the PEER-REVIEWED science surrounding AGW theory?
I have. it's a socialist wet dream. And full of lies.
**Liar. However, I'll play along with your delusion for the moment. Go
http://www.ipcc.ch/
Read all of AR5 and post your evidence to prove which part/s are lies.
Your inability to do so, will reveal that your are just another deluded
fool.
IPCC? Really?
**Yes, really.
Gloablist frauds.
**Then prove it moron. I await your proof.
All they want is all the power and money
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and for us serfs to listen to them, obediantly and without questioning.
**Then prove it. Thus far, all I hear from you is accusations of lies,
with zero proof.
Post by Wile E. Coyote
Fuck that. They do not speak for me.
**Insults are cheap. Submit your proof.
Mann won't produce his data at the trial he wanted. That if accurate would
prove his case.

Things that make you go hmmm. Mann is going to lose and in Canadian courts
it's loser pays.

Looks like Mann will have to get a second job at McDonalds.
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Why don't you read the PEER-REVIEWED science surrounding AGW theory?
I have. it's a socialist wet dream. And full of lies.
**Liar. However, I'll play along with your delusion for the moment. Go
http://www.ipcc.ch/
Read all of AR5 and post your evidence to prove which part/s are lies.
Your inability to do so, will reveal that your are just another deluded
fool.
IPCC? Really?
**Yes, really.
Gloablist frauds.
**Then prove it moron. I await your proof.
All they want is all the power and money
Post by Wile E. Coyote
and for us serfs to listen to them, obediantly and without questioning.
**Then prove it. Thus far, all I hear from you is accusations of lies,
with zero proof.
Post by Wile E. Coyote
Fuck that. They do not speak for me.
**Insults are cheap. Submit your proof.
Mann won't produce his data at the trial he wanted. That if accurate would
prove his case.
Things that make you go hmmm. Mann is going to lose and in Canadian courts
it's loser pays.
Looks like Mann will have to get a second job at McDonalds.
**I asked YOU for your proof. If you want Mann to produce his proof,
then you need to ask Mann for that.

Your inability to present your proof is duly noted. You are full of shit.
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Why don't you read the PEER-REVIEWED science surrounding AGW theory?
I have. it's a socialist wet dream. And full of lies.
**Liar. However, I'll play along with your delusion for the moment. Go
http://www.ipcc.ch/
Read all of AR5 and post your evidence to prove which part/s are lies.
Your inability to do so, will reveal that your are just another deluded
fool.
IPCC? Really?
**Yes, really.
Gloablist frauds.
**Then prove it moron. I await your proof.
All they want is all the power and money
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and for us serfs to listen to them, obediantly and without questioning.
**Then prove it. Thus far, all I hear from you is accusations of lies,
with zero proof.
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Fuck that. They do not speak for me.
**Insults are cheap. Submit your proof.
Mann won't produce his data at the trial he wanted. That if accurate would
prove his case.
Things that make you go hmmm. Mann is going to lose and in Canadian courts
it's loser pays.
Looks like Mann will have to get a second job at McDonalds.
**I asked YOU for your proof. If you want Mann to produce his proof,
then you need to ask Mann for that.
He *HAS BEEN ASKED IN A COURT OF LAW*. Mann refuses to provide
it.


Don
aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.
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Why don't you read the PEER-REVIEWED science surrounding AGW theory?
I have. it's a socialist wet dream. And full of lies.
**Liar. However, I'll play along with your delusion for the moment. Go
http://www.ipcc.ch/
Read all of AR5 and post your evidence to prove which part/s are lies.
Your inability to do so, will reveal that your are just another deluded
fool.
IPCC? Really?
**Yes, really.
Gloablist frauds.
**Then prove it moron. I await your proof.
All they want is all the power and money
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and for us serfs to listen to them, obediantly and without
questioning.
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**Then prove it. Thus far, all I hear from you is accusations of lies,
with zero proof.
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Fuck that. They do not speak for me.
**Insults are cheap. Submit your proof.
Mann won't produce his data at the trial he wanted. That if accurate would
prove his case.
Things that make you go hmmm. Mann is going to lose and in Canadian courts
it's loser pays.
Looks like Mann will have to get a second job at McDonalds.
**I asked YOU for your proof. If you want Mann to produce his proof,
then you need to ask Mann for that.
Your inability to present your proof is duly noted. You are full of shit.
I don't need to ask him. A court did. He filed a libel suit against someone
who said he was full of shit. And then failed to produce his data.

AGW is about to be dealt a mortal blow in a court of law. What do you think
of that?
--
It's time for the students to step up their game and kill people like
Coulter.

Siri Cruise <***@yahoo.com> April 25, 2017
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I have. it's a socialist wet dream. And full of lies.
**Liar. However, I'll play along with your delusion for the moment. Go
You go here, asshole:

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*YOU* *WILL* *NEVER* *HAVE* *MY* *GOD* *AND* *SO* *KEEP* *YOUR* *DILDO*
/ *PHALLUS* *GOD* *AS* *THERE* *IS* *AN* *ENMITY* *BETWEEN* *US* *FROM*
*THIS* *DAY* *FORTH* *FOREVER* *DUE* *TO* *THE** *SIN* *OF* *BLASPHEMY*
*AND* *ENGAGING* *WITHIN* *WARFARE* *AGAINST* *UNARMED* *CIVILIANS* *SO*
*AS* *TO* *SATISFY* *YOUR* *PERVERSE* *AFFECTIONS*

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-- HYPOTHETICAL FLUIDITY THEORY ON CONSEQUENTIAL ABROGATION OF
INDIVIDUAL INTEGRITY, LOSS OF POPULARITY, AVOIDANCE OF INEXTRICABLE
DILEMMA AND TO FACILITATE SUBTLE INTUITION

(c) 2017 Dolf Leendert Boek, Revision: 14 August, 2017

*** DRAFT IN PROGRESS ***


Nous: #20
Time: 09:20 hrs
Date: 2017.8.13
Torah: #5 #1 #1 %81 = #7
Dao: Left without Language, Different From the Vulgar
Tetra: #50 - Vastness/Wasting
I-Ching: H33 - Withdrawal, Retiring, Retreat, Yielding

Latin: Auxiliator {Hidden God} Alt: Yaliel {Thankful of God's Presence} {

1. PROTECTS ALL THOSE WHO SEEK THE TRUE LIGHT
2. PEACE TREATIES
3. DIPLOMACY & AMBASSADORS
4. Aphruimis
}

Ram {Elevated; sublime}

- <http://www.grapple369.com?date:2017.8.13>

***@zen: 1, row: 4, col: 7, nous: 20 [Super: #312 / #20 - Left
without Language, Different From the Vulgar; I-Ching: H33 - Withdrawal,
Retiring, Retreat, Yielding; Tetra: 50 - Vastness/Wasting, Ego: #267 /
#20 - Left without Language, Different From the Vulgar; I-Ching: H33 -
Withdrawal, Retiring, Retreat, Yielding; Tetra: 50 - Vastness/Wasting]

*TRUTH* *CONTENT* *IS* *UNDETECTED* *WITHIN* *YOUR* *POSTS*

Your explanation does not adequately discharge your liability over the
accusation of sedition and treason by dishonestly feigning a psychiatric
disordered state of mind.

You have engaged in concert with others as systematic Saint Andrews
Religious / State campaign of cause célèbre by making knowingly
slanderous psycho-sexual defamation as dehumanisation being crimes
against humanity as constituting war crimes—for which there has been no
apology.

HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF IT'S DETRIMENTAL CONSEQUENCES CONVEYED BY NEWS
REPORTS CONCERNING CHARLOTTESVILLE @ 1342 HOURS ON 12 AUGUST 2017;
AMENDED @ 1230 HOURS ON 13 AUGUST 2017: "Chaos and violence turned to
tragedy Saturday as hundreds of white nationalists, neo-Nazis and Ku
Klux Klan members — planning to stage what they described as their
largest rally in decades to 'take America back' — clashed with
counter-protesters in the streets and a car plowed into crowds, leaving
one person dead and 19 others injured.

Hours later, two state police officers died when their helicopter
crashed at the outskirts of town. Officials identified them as Berke
M.M. Bates of Quinton, Virginia, who was the pilot, and H. Jay Cullen of
Midlothian, Virginia, who was a passenger. State police said their Bell
407 helicopter was assisting with the unrest in Charlottesville. Bates
died one day before his 41st birthday; Cullen was 48 yo.

The Honourable Governor Terry McAuliffe (D), who had earlier declared a
state of emergency, said at an evening news conference that he had a
message for 'all the white supremacists and the Nazis who came into
Charlottesville today: Go home. You are not wanted in this great
commonwealth.'" [By Joe Heim, Ellie Silverman and Emma Brown]

-
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/fights-in-advance-of-saturday-protest-in-charlottesville/2017/08/12/155fb636-7f13-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html>

Accordingly even given the gravitas of the matter accompanying a
habitual lack of respect by some Americans (as if our Sovereign /
Autonomy like that of Russia / North Korea needs their permission) that
any prospect of sanctions against the United States and its Consulates,
Troop deployment and defence facilities within the COMMONWEALTH are not
your concern.

Even though we don't have a North Korean consulate Mr Kim Jong Un hasn't
taken up the offer for any peaceful resolution which didn't as
prerequisite kowtow to the aggressive demands of another's antagonism
but rather adheres to transcendent principles which guarantees the
preservation of the sovereign / autonomy as '*SELF* *IDENTITY* *OF*
*FORMULA* *OF* *AUTONOMY*' by an equitable distribution of number within
the rational and reasoned mind which is the trinomial noumenon.

I am now so pre-occupied with the finalisation of my GRAPPLE369 Project,
that I cannot devote any further consideration towards this stubborn and
inflammatory issue.

JOS BERGERVOET (***@XS4ALL.NL) @ 2241 HOURS ON 13 AUGUST
2017: "Nou, best al wel goed hoor, dolf! Heel mooi dat je zo goed je
best hebt gedaan.

[Translation]: Well, okay, dolf! Very nice that you did your best."

-
<http://www.grapple369.com?zen:1,row:9,col:2,nous:46&idea:{293}&idea:{446}>

***@zen: 1, row: 9, col: 2, nous: 46 [Time: 2340 hrs, Super: #293
/ #46 - Guiding Contentment, Moderation of Desire; I-Ching: H1 - Pure
Yang, Creative Principle/Heaven, Force, Strong action, The key, God;
Tetra: 37 - Purity, Ego: #446 / #46 - Guiding Contentment, Moderation of
Desire; I-Ching: H1 - Pure Yang, Creative Principle/Heaven, Force,
Strong action, The key, God; Tetra: 37 - Purity]

*HEEL* *MOOI* *DAT* *JE* *ZO* *GOED* *JE* *BEST* *HEBT* *GEDAAN*.

@memeBrain [Telos: #1978, Super: #38 - Consequences for Virtuous
Discourse; I-Ching: H62 - Minor Superiority, Small Excess, Small
Exceeding, Preponderance of the small, Small surpassing; Tetra: 11 -
Divergence, Ego: #34 - Great Guide, Trust in its Perfection; I-Ching:
H18 - Ills to Be Cured, Arresting Decay, Correcting, Work on what has
been spoiled (decay), Decaying, Branch; Tetra: 27 - Duties]

SUPER (MALE) Y-M-T-A HOMOIOS THEORY ON NUMBER IDEA: {OUTER: #56 -
Abstruse Mysterious Virtuosity; I-Ching: H55 - Abundance, Abounding,
Fullness; Tetra: 46 - Enlargement / INNER: #14 - Praising the Mysterious
(Metaphysics); I-Ching: H19 - Overseeing, Approaching, Nearing, The
forest; Tetra: 9 - Branching Out} #137 has 74 Categories:

#20, #6, #50, #50, #5, #6 = kuwn (H3559): 1) to be firm, be stable, be
established; 1a) (Niphal); 1a1) to be set up, be established, be fixed;
1a1a) to be firmly established; 1a1b) to be established, be stable, be
secure, be enduring; 1a1c) to be fixed, be securely determined; 1a2) to
be directed aright, be fixed aright, be steadfast (moral sense); 1a3) to
prepare, be ready; 1a4) to be prepared, be arranged, be settled; 1b)
(Hiphil); 1b1) to establish, set up, accomplish, do, make firm; 1b2) to
fix, make ready, prepare, provide, provide for, furnish; 1b3) to direct
toward (moral sense); 1b4) to arrange, order; 1c) (Hophal); 1c1) to be
established, be fastened; 1c2) to be prepared, be ready; 1d) (Polel);
1d1) to set up, establish; 1d2) to constitute, make; 1d3) to fix; 1d4)
to direct; 1e)
(Pulal) to be established, be prepared; 1f) (Hithpolel) to be
established, be restored;

#6, #1, #80, #30, #9, #5, #6 = palat (H6403): 1) to escape, save,
deliver, slip away; 1a) (Qal) to escape; 1b) (Piel); 1b1) to bring into
security, deliver; 1b2) to cause to escape, cast forth; 1b3) to be
delivered; 1b4) to slip away; 1c) (Hiphil) to bring into security, bring
to safety;

#6, #50, #70, #6, #5 = `avah (H5753): 1) to bend, twist, distort; 2) to
commit iniquity, do wrong, pervert; 1a) (Niphal) to be bent, be bowed
down, be twisted, be perverted; 1b) (Piel) to twist, distort; 1c)
(Hiphil) to do perversely; 2a) (Qal) to do wrong, commit iniquity; 2b)
(Hiphil) to commit iniquity;

#2, #40, #40, #30, #20, #5 = mamlakah (H4467): 1) kingdom, dominion,
reign, sovereignty; 1a) kingdom, realm; 1b) sovereignty, dominion; 1c)
reign;

#90, #40, #1, #6 = tsame' (H6770): 1) (Qal) to be thirsty;

#6, #90, #5, #30, #6 = tsahal (H6670): 1) to neigh, cry shrilly; 2)
(Hiphil) to make shining; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to neigh (of men as stallions
- fig.); 1a2) (Piel) to cry shrilly (in distress);

#50, #1, #80, #6 = na'aph (H5003): 1) to commit adultery; 1a) (Qal);
1a1) to commit adultery; 1a1a) usually of man; 1a1a1) always with wife
of another; 1a1b) adultery (of women) (participle); 1a2) idolatrous
worship (fig.); 1b) (Piel); 1b1) to commit adultery; 1b1a) of man; 1b1b)
adultery (of women) (participle); 1b2) idolatrous worship (fig.);

#1, #20, #60, #50, #6 = kacah (H3680): 1) to cover, conceal, hide; 1a)
(Qal) conceal, covered (participle); 1b) (Niphal) to be covered; 1c)
(Piel); 1c1) to cover, clothe; 1c2) to cover, conceal; 1c3) to cover
(for protection); 1c4) to cover over, spread over; 1c5) to cover,
overwhelm; 1d) (Pual); 1d1) to be covered; 1d2) to be clothed; 1e)
(Hithpael) to cover oneself, clothe oneself;

#2, #40, #6, #70, #4, #10, #5 = mow`ed (H4150): 1) appointed place,
appointed time, meeting; 1a) appointed time; 1a1) appointed time
(general); 1a2) sacred season, set feast, appointed season; 1b)
appointed meeting; 1c) appointed place; 1d) appointed sign or signal;
1e) tent of meeting;

#40, #70, #2, #4, #6, #5, #10 = ma`bad (H4567): 1) work; 2) (TWOT)
action (of God in history);

#40, #5, #3, #1, #30, #8, #50 = megas (G3173): 1) great; 2) predicated
of rank, as belonging to; 3) splendid, prepared on a grand scale,
stately; 4) great things; 1a) of the external form or sensible
appearance of things (or of persons); 1a1) in particular, of space and
its dimensions, as respects; 1a1a) mass and weight: great; 1a1b) compass
and extent: large, spacious; 1a1c) measure and height: long; 1a1d)
stature and age: great, old; 1b) of number and quantity: numerous,
large, abundant; 1c) of age: the elder; 1d) used of intensity and its
degrees: with great effort, of the affections and emotions of the mind,
of natural events powerfully affecting the senses: violent, mighty,
strong; 2a) persons, eminent for ability, virtue, authority, power; 2b)
things esteemed highly for their importance: of great moment, of great
weight, importance; 2c) a thing to be highly esteemed for its
excellence: excellent; 4a) of God's preeminent blessings; 4b) of things
which overstep the province of a created being, proud (presumptuous)
things, full of arrogance, derogatory to the majesty of God;

#20, #5, #100, #1, #10, #1 = keraia (G2762): 1) a little horn; 2)
extremity, apex, point; 2a) used by grammarians of the accents and
diacritical points. Jesus used it of the little lines or projections, by
which the Hebrew letters in other respects similar differ from one
another; the meaning is, 'not even the minutest part of the law shall
perish';

#8, #50, #5, #3, #20, #1, #50 = phero (G5342): 1) to carry; 2) to bear,
ie. endure, to endure the rigour of a thing, to bear patiently one's
conduct, or spare one (abstain from punishing or destroying); 3) to
bring, bring to, bring forward; 1a) to carry some burden; 1a1) to bear
with one's self; 1b) to move by bearing; move or, to be conveyed or
borne, with the suggestion of force or speed; 1b1) of persons borne in a
ship over the sea; 1b2) of a gust of wind, to rush; 1b3) of the mind, to
be moved inwardly, prompted; 1c) to bear up ie. uphold (keep from
falling); 1c1) of Christ, the preserver of the universe; 3a) to move to,
apply; 3b) to bring in by announcing, to announce; 3c) to bear ie. bring
forth, produce; to bring forward in a speech; 3d) to lead, conduct;

#1, #30, #30, #1, #60, #5, #10 = allasso (G236): 1) to change, to
exchange one thing for another, to transform;

#20, #5, #100, #4, #8 = kerdos (G2771): 1) gain, advantage;

EGO (FEMALE) Y-M-T-A HOMOIOS THEORY ON NUMBER IDEA: {OUTER: #10 -
Impossible Advice, What can Be Done?; I-Ching: H30 - Cohesion, Radiance,
Clinging to Brightness/Fire, The net; Tetra: 41 - Response / INNER: #9 -
Inconstancy of Achievement, Practicing Placidity; I-Ching: H7 - The
Army, Leading, Troops; Tetra: 32 - Legion} #91 has 107 Categories:

#5, #30, #1, #30, #8, #9, #8 = laleo (G2980): 1) to utter a voice or
emit a sound; 2) to speak; 3) to talk; 4) to utter, tell; 5) to use
words in order to declare one's mind and disclose one's thoughts; 2a) to
use the tongue or the faculty of speech; 2b) to utter articulate sounds;
5a) to speak;

#4, #10, #1, #3, #3, #5, #30, #30, #5 = diaggello (G1229): 1) to carry a
message through, announce everywhere, through places, through assemblies
of men etc.; 2) to publish abroad, declare;

#1, #40, #5, #30, #5, #10 = ameleo (G272): 1) to be careless of, to
neglect;

#50, #10, #20, #1, #10 = nikao (G3528): 1) to conquer; 1a) to carry off
the victory, come off victorious; 1a1) of Christ, victorious over all
His foes; 1a2) of Christians, that hold fast their faith even unto death
against the power of their foes, and temptations and persecutions; 1a3)
when one is arraigned or goes to law, to win the case, maintain one's cause;

DOLF @ 0026 HOURS ON 13 AUGUST 2017: "Je bent een vijand fascistisch
stuk religieus (of het islamitisch, orthodox of rooms-katholiek dat het
niet uitmaakt) excrement.

En spreek met mij als een rationeel en geredeneerd mens of helemaal niet
je frauduleuze kut.

Sodemieter op alstublieft.

[Translation]: You are an enemy fascist piece of religion (or the
Islamic, orthodox or Roman Catholic that does not matter) excrement.

And speak to me like a rational and reasoned person or at all not your
fraudulent cunt.

I like that Dutch phrase as it's somewhat more polite than the English.
As English speakers when an attempt is made to rationalize and know it,
we are confronted by the term's equivalence to 'sodomite' and 'belief'.

Although it actually means, 'Please ***@ck Off'"

But just now an ethereal thought on how to remedy this promiscuous /
daemonic self righteous circumstance as consequential abrogation of
individual integrity {#1 - Nature Contains Nature}, loss of popularity
{#2 - Nature Rejoices in its Nature}, avoidance of inextricable
*DILEMMA* {#3 - Nature Surmounts Nature} and to facilitate subtle
intuition {#4 - Nature Amended in its Nature} which is causal to being
within the space / time dynamic in promulgating an unimpeded process
that in this example of reading, is the traversal of consciousness
within the fabric of time itself.

*DILEMMA* (noun):
- A situation requiring a choice between equally undesirable alternatives.
- Any difficult or perplexing situation or problem.
- [Logic]: A form of meta-dialectic syllogism *SUCH* *AS* *THE* *TEN*
*COMMANDMENTS* *COMPRISING* *AN* *INTELLECTUAL* *TETRAD*:

#A {Major Premise},
#B {Minor Premise},
#C {Assumptive Proposition},
#D {Restatement of a Sacred / Sovereign Principle}

In which the major premise is formed of two or more hypothetical
propositions and the minor premise is a disjunctive proposition, as

'IF #A {#1 - Nature Contains Nature} THEN #B {#2 - Nature Rejoices in
its Nature};

IF #C {#3 - Nature Surmounts Nature} THEN #D {#4 - Nature Amended in its
Nature}.

EITHER #A OR #C.

THEREFORE, EITHER #B OR #D.'

- [Origin 1515–25 CE: Late Latin from Greek dílēmma, equivalent to di +
lêmma an assumption, premise, derivative of lambánein to take {#384 =
#5, #300, #10, #3, #6, #50, #10 as nasag (H5381): 1) to reach, overtake,
take hold upon; 1a) (Hiphil); 1a1) to overtake; 1a2) to reach, attain
to, cause to reach; 1a3) to be able to secure, reach, have enough}.

Nous: #44
Time: 04:35 hrs
Date: 2017.5.29
Torah: #40 #2 #5 %81 = #47
Dao: Moderate Values, Setting Up Precepts
Tetra: #36 - Strength
I-Ching: H1 - Pure Yang, Creative Principle/Heaven, Force, Strong
action, The key, God

Latin: Amabilis {Conservative God} Alt: Yahhael {God is the God} {

1. PROTECTS & HELPS AGAINST THOSE WISHING TO USURP THE FORTUNES OF OTHERS
2. JUSTICE, TRUTH & LIBERTY
3. PROTECTS TRUTH, LOVERS OF JURISPRUDENCE
4. Thesogar
}

Heber {The region beyond, One that passes; anger}

- <http://www.grapple369.com?time:4.36>

***@zen: 4, row: 2, col: 8, nous: 44 [Super: #413 / #20 - Left
without Language, Different From the Vulgar; I-Ching: H33 - Withdrawal,
Retiring, Retreat, Yielding; Tetra: 50 - Vastness/Wasting, Ego: #384 /
#44 - Moderate Values, Setting Up Precepts; I-Ching: H1 - Pure Yang,
Creative Principle/Heaven, Force, Strong action, The key, God; Tetra: 36
- Strength]

That thought has taken me some 36 minutes to write so that it was not
simply coherent, but substantial. In short as punctiliousness, which is
an inherent function of a reasoning mind, it was cast forward to a point
yet future in time, when I constructed the narrative as neural
linguistic streaming and then refined it until I had reached a
satisfactory conclusion.

To illustrate this innate concept of a notional intuition as to the
existence of attributed time, you would have no difficulty in writing a
Christmas prose at anytime of year, because you have some learned
apprehension of the meta-descriptors which are conducive to giving any
such narrative {#5 - Act of Nature} a particular emphasis {#1 - Nature
Contains Nature}, plausibility {#2 - Nature Rejoices in its Nature},
comprehensibly {#3 - Nature Surmounts Nature} or perhaps even a
determined bias {#4 - Nature Amended in its Nature}.

And @ 0436 hours, I will write some more on this later at an appreciably
suitable hour.

And thus you will observe, my existentialist usage of language and
essentially concordant actions are as NATURAL AND PRACTICED conduct
whose primary virtue is the determination of an authenticity as
consciousness which is instantiated within time. This is a civil
consequence as the product of my social and work experience, which has
conformity with this as a life principle, being a non-stubborn
characteristic that is given to the voluntary exercise as an AUTONOMY OF
WILL.

I would therefore disagree with the general view of the existentialist,
that the individual's starting point is characterized by what has been
called 'the existential attitude', or a sense of disorientation,
confusion, or dread in the face of an apparently meaningless or absurd
world. Many existentialists have also regarded traditional systematic or
academic philosophies, in both style and content, as being too abstract
and remote from any concrete as meaningful human experience: I think,
therefore I am. [Wikipedia 2017: Existentialism]

I describe this a priori 'existential attitude' as being a neural
linguistic cognitive process by which the mind freely desires to inform
itself.

This action involves the making of a reasonable supposition as a
logical, probable and hypothetical proposition, which is then predicated
upon by a determined course of affirmative action as the autonomous want
of the intellect having a desire to inform oneself through an
inquisitive and deductive process of elimination. In being descriptive
of a natural aptitude as the rational mind, practiced in acquiring
knowledge and having explicit specification within Categories of
Understanding such as:

#384 = #5, #300, #10, #3, #6, #50, #10 as nasag (H5381): 1) to reach,
overtake, take hold upon; 1a) (Hiphil); 1a1) to overtake; 1a2) to reach,
attain to, cause to reach; 1a3) to be able to secure, reach, have enough;

That in my view, punctiliousness has an intrinsic phonetic
correspondence and is a functional cognitive characteristic which is
intrinsic of the mind and this process is not all unlike the initial
starting point of this chapter by its specific construction of
meticulous narrative as neural linguistic streaming and it's subsequent
refinement until it was satisfactory.

For example, if all but the first and last letters are scrambled and the
sentence is entirely ambiguous, you can still disambiguate the word and
fully comprehend the sentence, as Cambridge University researchers have
suggested:

"Taht in my veiw, psciiouelnunsts is an insniirtc phteinoc
conrecoednprse and fancounitl cvgiinote cartarseiichtc of mnid."

YOUTUBE: "Doctor Who - Journey's End - The Reality Bomb"

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But did you notice that my earlier ethereal paragraph contains this very
intellectual TETRAD which we will theoretically summarise as this
working hypothesis that can no doubt be improved upon with more
contemplative thought, our cognition evolves as we gain experience
within the subject we are now only just introducing as reality:

-- HYPOTHETICAL FLUIDITY THEORY --

#1 - Position
#2 - Poise / Pause
#3 - Purpose
#4 - Process
#5 - Pairing

YOUTUBE: "Top 10 Tai Chi (with Buddhist inclusion) Moves for Beginners"

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*P*

@memeBrain [Telos: #70, Super: #70 - Difficulty in Knowing How, Obtuse;
I-Ching: H53 - Gradual Advance, Development (gradual progress),
Infiltrating, Advancement; Tetra: 14 - Penetration, Ego: #70 -
Difficulty in Knowing How, Obtuse; I-Ching: H53 - Gradual Advance,
Development (gradual progress), Infiltrating, Advancement; Tetra: 14 -
Penetration]

SUPER (MALE) Y-M-T-A HOMOIOS THEORY ON NUMBER IDEA: {OUTER: #70 -
Difficulty in Knowing How, Obtuse; I-Ching: H53 - Gradual Advance,
Development (gradual progress), Infiltrating, Advancement; Tetra: 14 -
Penetration} #70 has 16 Categories:

#70 = #70 = #30, #2, #30, #3, #5 = Bilgah (H1083): {ancient countenance}
1) a priest of the 15th course, in David's {well-beloved, dear} time; 2)
a priest accompanying Zerubbabel {a stranger at Babylon; dispersion of
incongruity; confusion; mixture}

#70 = #5, #4, #6, #4, #1, #10, #40 = duwday (H1736): 1) mandrake,
love-apple; 1a) as exciting sexual desire, and favouring procreation;

#70 = #6, #20, #8, #6, #30 = chowl (H2344): 1) sand;

#70 = #1, #9, #10, #30, #20 = tuwl (H2904): 1) to hurl, cast; 1a)
(Pilpel) to throw away, carry away, hurl; 1b) (Hiphil) to throw, cast,
cast out; 1c) (Hophal); 1c1) to be hurled, hurled down; 1c2) to be cast,
be thrown, be cast out, be thrown down;

#70 = #9, #10, #50, #1 = tiyn (Aramaic) (H2917): 1) clay;

#70 = #10, #30, #30 = yelel (H3214): 1) a howling (of beasts);

#70 = #6, #2, #40, #8, #6, #3, #5 = mechuwgah (H4230): 1)
circle-instrument, compass;

#70 = #10, #50, #6, #2, #2 = nuwb (H5107): 1) to bear fruit; 1a) (Qal)
to bear fruit; 1b) (Pilel) to make to flourish (fig.);

#70 = #6, #50, #6, #8 = nuwach (H5118): 1) resting place;

#70 = #6, #50, #10, #4 = niyd (H5205): 1) quivering (motion) of lips;

#70 = #4, #5, #10, #50, #1 = deina (G1170): 1) such a one, a certain
one, ie. one whose name I cannot call on the instant, or whose name it
is of no importance to mention;

/ INNER: #29 - Deeming, Non-Assertion; I-Ching: H36 - Suppression of the
Light, Sinking/Darkening of the Light, Brilliance injured, Intelligence
hidden; Tetra: 67 - Darkening} #29 has 6 Categories:

#29 = #6, #10, #4, #3, #6 = dagah (H1711): 1) (Qal) to multiply, increase;

#29 = #20, #7, #2 = kazab (H3577): 1) a lie, untruth, falsehood,
deceptive thing;

}

*** TO BE CONTINUED ***

AN EXPANDED xxx PAGES AS A PDF VERSION OF THIS DOCUMENT WILL BE MADE
AVAILABLE HERE:

- <https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzRmc7Bm7indcld2SktFU1ZUTkk>

- dolf

SEE ALSO: "DIEU ET MON DROIT"

- <https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzRmc7Bm7indNkFKVl84OHhvWTA>

#HYPOTHETICAL #FLUIDITY #THEORY #READING #WRITING #SPEAKING

Initial Post: 13 August 2017
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SEE ALSO: *INVALIDATING* *THE* *ORTHODOX* *AND* *ROMAN* *CATHOLIC*
*CHURCH'S* *CLAIM* *TO* *JUBILEE2000* *AS* *BEING* *DELUSIONAL* *AND*
*FRAUDULENT*

Private Street on the edge of the Central Business District dated 16th
May, 2000 - This report is prepared in response to a TP00/55 as a Notice
of an Application for Planning Permit

- <http://www.grapple369.com/jubilee2000.html>

SEE ALSO: DAO OF NATURE (Chinese: ZIRAN) / COURSE (Greek: TROCHOS) OF
NATURE (Greek: GENESIS) [James 3:6]

Chinese HAN Dynasty (206 BCE - 220CE) Hexagon Trigrams to Tetragram
assignments proposed by Yang Hsiung (53BCE - 18CE) which by 4BCE
(translation published within English as first European language in
1993), first appeared in draft form as a meta-thesis titled T'AI HSUAN
CHING {ie. Canon of Supreme Mystery} on Natural Divination associated
with the theory of number, annual seasonal chronology and astrology
reliant upon the seven visible planets as cosmological mother image and
the zodiac.

It shows the ZIRAN as the DAO of NATURE / COURSE-trochos OF
NATURE-genesis [James 3:6] as comprising #81 trinomial tetragrammaton x
4.5 day = #364.5 day / year as HOMOIOS THEORY OF NUMBER which is an
amalgam of the 64 hexagrams as binomial trigrams / 81 as trinomial
tetragrammaton rather than its encapsulated contrived use as the
microcosm to redefine the macrocosm as the quintessence of the
Pythagorean [Babylonian] as binomial canon of transposition as HETEROS
THEORY OF NUMBER.

- <http://www.grapple369.com/nature.html>

The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006
defines a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING” and the question is, if it is
permissible to extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN
BEING AS A CONSCIOUS REALITY OF HOMO[iOS] SAPIEN[T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED
WITHIN THE TEMPORAL REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND
RATIONALITY."

That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO[iOS] SAPIEN[T] as
EXISTENCE.

- http://www.grapple369.com/Grapple.zip (Download resources)

After all the ENNEAD of THOTH and not the Roman Catholic Eucharist,
expresses an Anthropic Cosmological Principle which appears within its
geometric conception as being equivalent to the Pythagorean
TETRAD/TETRACTYS.
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Why don't you read the PEER-REVIEWED science surrounding AGW theory?
I have. it's a socialist wet dream. And full of lies.
**Liar. However, I'll play along with your delusion for the moment. Go
http://www.ipcc.ch/
Oh yes: the liar and scumbags who want to destroy humanity by
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Why don't you read the PEER-REVIEWED science surrounding AGW theory?
I have. it's a socialist wet dream. And full of lies.
**Liar. However, I'll play along with your delusion for the moment. Go
http://www.ipcc.ch/
Oh yes: the liar and scumbags who want to destroy humanity by
putting us back in the stone age.
**You need to cite the evidence to disprove what the IPCC has published.
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Why don't you read the PEER-REVIEWED science surrounding AGW theory?
I have. it's a socialist wet dream. And full of lies.
**Liar. However, I'll play along with your delusion for the moment. Go
http://www.ipcc.ch/
Oh yes: the liar and scumbags who want to destroy humanity by
putting us back in the stone age.
**You need to cite the evidence to disprove what the IPCC has published.
Once again: I need not disprove the unproven.

The IPCC has failed to meet the standard for scientific
demonstration for the claims of its members. Ergo, I can dismiss their
bullshit, since it has no evidence behind it.

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Why don't you read the PEER-REVIEWED science surrounding AGW theory?
Would that be the data that Micheal Mann refused to produce in his libel suit
against his detractors when in fact that data would have proved his case?
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no
climate change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we
can actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years.
Indutrial man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot
are the scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Nobody with a functioning brain doesn't understand that warming and cooling
cycles were occuring long before man came along.
**And anyone with a functioning brain understands that CO2 levels
contribute to planetary temperatures.
And SOB, science tells us that when temperatures warm up.....CO2 levels
also increase......
**You finally got something right.
Post by Scout
So, what's your point?
**Humans are causing the temperature of the planet to reach levels that
may lead to a 'runaway' effect, where increased temperatures cause
increased amounts of CO2 to be released from the oceans (and methane to
be released from permafrost regions), thus causing temperatures to rise
higher still, causing more CO2 and methane to be released and so on.
Average temperatures could rise by as much as 10 degrees C or more. This
would be catastrophic for much of the planet as it will, inevitably lead
to large scale glacial melt and conditions in many parts of the planet
that will be hostile to human life.
Unadulterated bullshit.
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no
climate change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we
can actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years.
Indutrial man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot
are the scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Nobody with a functioning brain doesn't understand that warming and cooling
cycles were occuring long before man came along.
Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration.

And how did man cause the ice caps on Mars to melt?
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no
climate change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we
can actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years.
Indutrial man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot
are the scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Nobody with a functioning brain doesn't understand that warming and cooling
cycles were occuring long before man came along.
Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
Post by Scout
And how did man cause the ice caps on Mars to melt?
**Strawman. Mars is a different planet to Earth, with completely
different conditions. However, if you are genuinely interested in
ascertaining why the the Mars ice caps may be shrinking, here are some
references:
https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-on-mars-intermediate.htm
https://www.space.com/33001-mars-ice-age-ending-now.html

Our knowledge of the precise mechanisms that affect Martian climate is
not well understood. OTOH, it is well understood here on Earth. We KNOW
that excessive CO2 levels causes warming.
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Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
Is it your contention that we do not know tempratures from previous eras?
Then how does 100 years of data constitute proof of anything in a 4.5 billion
year span?
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Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
Is it your contention that we do not know tempratures from previous eras?
Then how does 100 years of data constitute proof of anything in a 4.5 billion
year span?
**I requested proof of this claim:

"Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration."

NO proof has been submitted. Therefore, it can be regarded as a lie.
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Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
Is it your contention that we do not know tempratures from previous eras?
Then how does 100 years of data constitute proof of anything in a 4.5 billion
year span?
"Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration."
NO proof has been submitted. Therefore, it can be regarded as a lie.
And yet it has been submitted.

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Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
Is it your contention that we do not know tempratures from previous eras?
Then how does 100 years of data constitute proof of anything in a 4.5 billion
year span?
"Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration."
NO proof has been submitted. Therefore, it can be regarded as a lie.
And yet it has been submitted.
**Nope. Not once, not ever.
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Post by Scout
Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
Is it your contention that we do not know tempratures from previous eras?
Then how does 100 years of data constitute proof of anything in a 4.5 billion
year span?
"Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration."
NO proof has been submitted. Therefore, it can be regarded as a lie.
And yet it has been submitted.
**Nope. Not once, not ever.
Liar. I submitted it.

Here: I'll repost the whole fucking thing...

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 14:53:20 +1000, Trevor Wilson
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no
climate change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we
can actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years.
Indutrial man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot
are the scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Nobody with a functioning brain doesn't understand that warming and cooling
cycles were occuring long before man came along.
Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
http://principia-scientific.org/breaking-fatal-courtroom-act-ruins-michael-hockey-stick-mann/

Specifically:

https://i1.wp.com/principia-scientific.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/graphs.jpg?resize=550%2C398


Also, this part is great:

“Michael Mann moved for an adjournment of the trial scheduled for
February 20, 2017. We had little choice because Canadian courts always
grant adjournments before a trial in their belief that an out of court
settlement is preferable. We agreed to an adjournment with conditions.
The major one was that he [Mann] produce all documents including
computer codes by February 20th, 2017. He failed to meet the
deadline.”

Mann’s now proven contempt of court means Ball is entitled to have the
court serve upon Mann the fullest punishment. Contempt sanctions could
reasonably include the judge ruling that Dr. Ball’s statement that
Mann “belongs in the state pen, not Penn. State’ is a precise and true
statement of fact. This is because under Canada’s unique ‘Truth
Defense’, Mann is now proven to have wilfully hidden his data, so the
court may rule he hid it because it is fake. As such, the court must
then dismiss Mann’s entire libel suit with costs awarded to Ball and
his team.


Know why Mann hides his data? Because it shows that he's a
lying scumbag. He's on-par with Kent Hovind.
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Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
Is it your contention that we do not know tempratures from previous eras?
Then how does 100 years of data constitute proof of anything in a 4.5 billion
year span?
"Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration."
NO proof has been submitted. Therefore, it can be regarded as a lie.
And yet it has been submitted.
**Nope. Not once, not ever.
Liar. I submitted it.
**Lying, in an attempt to prove a lie, is not smart. This is the comment
I asked for proof of:

"Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration."

No proof has been submitted.
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Post by Scout
Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
Is it your contention that we do not know tempratures from previous eras?
Then how does 100 years of data constitute proof of anything in a 4.5 billion
year span?
"Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration."
NO proof has been submitted. Therefore, it can be regarded as a lie.
And yet it has been submitted.
**Nope. Not once, not ever.
Liar. I submitted it.
**Lying,
is what you're doing.


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Post by Scout
Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
Is it your contention that we do not know tempratures from previous eras?
Then how does 100 years of data constitute proof of anything in a 4.5 billion
year span?
"Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration."
NO proof has been submitted. Therefore, it can be regarded as a lie.
And yet it has been submitted.
**Nope. Not once, not ever.
Liar. I submitted it.
**Lying,
is what you're doing.
**Lying, in an attempt to prove a lie, is not smart. This is the comment
I asked for proof of:

"Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration."

No proof has been submitted.

Keep squirming moron.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm

Not our fault

Are we, the fossil-fuel-burning public, partially responsible for this
recent warming trend? Almost assuredly not.

These small global temperature increases of the last 25 years and over
the last century are likely natural changes that the globe has seen many
times in the past.


Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature changes

William M. Gray
Colorado State University
This small warming is likely a result of the natural alterations in
global ocean currents which are driven by ocean salinity variations.
Ocean circulation variations are as yet little understood.

Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature
changes. We are not that influential.

There is a negative or complementary nature to human-induced greenhouse
gas increases in comparison with the dominant natural greenhouse gas of
water vapour and its cloud derivatives.

It has been assumed by the human-induced global warming advocates that
as anthropogenic greenhouse gases increase that water vapour and
upper-level cloudiness will also rise and lead to accelerated warming -
a positive feedback loop.

It is not the human-induced greenhouse gases themselves which cause
significant warming but the assumed extra water vapour and cloudiness
that some scientists hypothesise.

Negative feedback

The global general circulation models which simulate significant amounts
of human-induced warming are incorrectly structured to give this
positive feedback loop.

Their internal model assumptions are thus not realistic.

Carbon dioxide BBC
Mainstream opinion believes that pollution contributes to climate change
As human-induced greenhouse gases rise, global-averaged upper-level
atmospheric water vapour and thin cirrus should be expected to decrease
not increase.

Water vapour and cirrus cloudiness should be thought of as a negative
rather than a positive feedback to human-induced - or anthropogenic
greenhouse gas increases.

No significant human-induced greenhouse gas warming can occur with such
a negative feedback loop.
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Post by Scout
Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
Is it your contention that we do not know tempratures from previous eras?
Then how does 100 years of data constitute proof of anything in a 4.5 billion
year span?
"Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration."
NO proof has been submitted. Therefore, it can be regarded as a lie.
And yet it has been submitted.
**Nope. Not once, not ever.
Liar. I submitted it.
**Lying,
is what you're doing.
**Lying
is what you're doing.

Keep lying and squirming, moron.


Don
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Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
Is it your contention that we do not know tempratures from previous eras?
Then how does 100 years of data constitute proof of anything in a 4.5 billion
year span?
"Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration."
NO proof has been submitted. Therefore, it can be regarded as a lie.
http://www.isthereglobalcooling.com/
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Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
Is it your contention that we do not know tempratures from previous eras?
Then how does 100 years of data constitute proof of anything in a 4.5 billion
year span?
Apparently that is his contention, and further it makes you wonder how much
he actually knows about the climate since apparently he only knows the last
few years.

Apparently he's not aware of the Medieval Warm Period, or Roman Warm Period,
or the Minoan Warming....

Heck, he apparently isn't even aware that when the Vikings settled
Greenland.....you could actually grow crops there....something you can't do
today because IT'S TOO COLD.

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Of course, you need a scale of thousands of years....not just the last 150
years. After all, we're still recovering from the Little Ice Age.
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Of course, you need a scale of thousands of years....not just the last 150
years. After all, we're still recovering from the Little Ice Age.
how is this 'recovering' indicated?

is it like thawing out a chicken just taken out from the fridge?
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Of course, you need a scale of thousands of years....not just the last 150
years. After all, we're still recovering from the Little Ice Age.
how is this 'recovering' indicated?
is it like thawing out a chicken just taken out from the fridge?
Since you were unaware of any of the thing he cited who gives a fuck what you
want?
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 05:32:21 -0400, "Scout"
Post by Scout
Of course, you need a scale of thousands of years....not just the last 150
years. After all, we're still recovering from the Little Ice Age.
how is this 'recovering' indicated?
is it like thawing out a chicken just taken out from the fridge?
Since you were unaware of any of the thing he cited who gives a fuck what you
want?
try translating that into english
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Post by Scout
Of course, you need a scale of thousands of years....not just the last
150 years. After all, we're still recovering from the Little Ice Age.
how is this 'recovering' indicated?
is it like thawing out a chicken just taken out from the fridge?
Since you were unaware of any of the thing he cited who gives a fuck
what you want?
try translating that into english
It is in English, asswipe. You aren't.
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Of course, you need a scale of thousands of years....not just the last 150
years. After all, we're still recovering from the Little Ice Age.
how is this 'recovering' indicated?
is it like thawing out a chicken just taken out from the fridge?
Something like that. Temperatures go down, and they take time to go back up.
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Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and
long before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
Is it your contention that we do not know tempratures from previous
eras? Then how does 100 years of data constitute proof of anything in a
4.5 billion
year span?
Apparently that is his contention, and further it makes you wonder how
much he actually knows about the climate since apparently he only knows
the last few years.
Apparently he's not aware of the Medieval Warm Period, or Roman Warm
Period, or the Minoan Warming....
Heck, he apparently isn't even aware that when the Vikings settled
Greenland.....you could actually grow crops there....something you can't
do today because IT'S TOO COLD.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cYxW6D5ebrs/TasMDH04yLI/AAAAAAAAAFU/abWuVnAhx7k
/s1600/greenlandice_fig5.png
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/global-temperature-la
st-10000-years.jpg
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/gisp-last-10000-new.png
Of course, you need a scale of thousands of years....not just the last
150 years. After all, we're still recovering from the Little Ice Age.
Gives new meaning to the term short sighted.
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Post by Scout
Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and
long before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
Is it your contention that we do not know tempratures from previous
eras? Then how does 100 years of data constitute proof of anything in a
4.5 billion
year span?
Apparently that is his contention, and further it makes you wonder how
much he actually knows about the climate since apparently he only knows
the last few years.
Apparently he's not aware of the Medieval Warm Period, or Roman Warm
Period, or the Minoan Warming....
Heck, he apparently isn't even aware that when the Vikings settled
Greenland.....you could actually grow crops there....something you can't
do today because IT'S TOO COLD.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cYxW6D5ebrs/TasMDH04yLI/AAAAAAAAAFU/abWuVnAhx7k
/s1600/greenlandice_fig5.png
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/global-temperature-la
st-10000-years.jpg
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/gisp-last-10000-new.png
Of course, you need a scale of thousands of years....not just the last
150 years. After all, we're still recovering from the Little Ice Age.
Gives new meaning to the term short sighted.
Apparently climatology is something that ignores the past beyond 150 years
ago.

Then Trevor claims that we understand the mechanisms. Mechanisms he won't
even look at because they are further back than his artificial date limit.
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no
climate change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we
can actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years.
Indutrial man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot
are the scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Nobody with a functioning brain doesn't understand that warming and cooling
cycles were occuring long before man came along.
Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
http://principia-scientific.org/breaking-fatal-courtroom-act-ruins-michael-hockey-stick-mann/

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Also, this part is great:

“Michael Mann moved for an adjournment of the trial scheduled for
February 20, 2017. We had little choice because Canadian courts always
grant adjournments before a trial in their belief that an out of court
settlement is preferable. We agreed to an adjournment with conditions.
The major one was that he [Mann] produce all documents including
computer codes by February 20th, 2017. He failed to meet the
deadline.”

Mann’s now proven contempt of court means Ball is entitled to have the
court serve upon Mann the fullest punishment. Contempt sanctions could
reasonably include the judge ruling that Dr. Ball’s statement that
Mann “belongs in the state pen, not Penn. State’ is a precise and true
statement of fact. This is because under Canada’s unique ‘Truth
Defense’, Mann is now proven to have wilfully hidden his data, so the
court may rule he hid it because it is fake. As such, the court must
then dismiss Mann’s entire libel suit with costs awarded to Ball and
his team.


Know why Mann hides his data? Because it shows that he's a
lying scumbag. He's on-par with Kent Hovind.

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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no
climate change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we
can actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years.
Indutrial man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot
are the scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Nobody with a functioning brain doesn't understand that warming and cooling
cycles were occuring long before man came along.
Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
http://principia-scientific.org/breaking-fatal-courtroom-act-ruins-michael-hockey-stick-mann/
https://i1.wp.com/principia-scientific.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/graphs.jpg?resize=550%2C398
“Michael Mann moved for an adjournment of the trial scheduled for
February 20, 2017. We had little choice because Canadian courts always
grant adjournments before a trial in their belief that an out of court
settlement is preferable. We agreed to an adjournment with conditions.
The major one was that he [Mann] produce all documents including
computer codes by February 20th, 2017. He failed to meet the
deadline.”
Mann’s now proven contempt of court means Ball is entitled to have the
court serve upon Mann the fullest punishment. Contempt sanctions could
reasonably include the judge ruling that Dr. Ball’s statement that
Mann “belongs in the state pen, not Penn. State’ is a precise and true
statement of fact. This is because under Canada’s unique ‘Truth
Defense’, Mann is now proven to have wilfully hidden his data, so the
court may rule he hid it because it is fake. As such, the court must
then dismiss Mann’s entire libel suit with costs awarded to Ball and
his team.
Know why Mann hides his data? Because it shows that he's a
lying scumbag. He's on-par with Kent Hovind.
i'm unsure why anyone would take 'dendroclimatology' seriously
http://www.abelard.org/briefings/dendroclimatogy.php
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no
climate change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we
can actually do something about it?
Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years.
Indutrial man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot
are the scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series
and
the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
except the filthy fossil fuel industry...among the wealthiest
corporations in the world on the back of externalising their
pollution
Nobody with a functioning brain doesn't understand that warming and cooling
cycles were occuring long before man came along.
Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history and long
before industrialization was even a consideration.
**Prove it.
Post by Scout
And how did man cause the ice caps on Mars to melt?
**Strawman. Mars is a different planet to Earth, with completely different
conditions.
No shit Sherlock....

But the question remains is how exactly is man causing global warming on
Mars.
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However, if you are genuinely interested in ascertaining why the the Mars
https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-on-mars-intermediate.htm
https://www.space.com/33001-mars-ice-age-ending-now.html
Which is just what has been happening on Earth......which means that
according to your claims, man must be causing the global warming on
Mars....or you're going to have to come up with something else as your cause
that effects BOTH planets.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Our knowledge of the precise mechanisms that affect Martian climate is not
well understood. OTOH, it is well understood here on Earth.
Hardly. I'm sure you THINK we really understand it, but given the fact that
global warming is occurring on Mars as the same time man is being blamed for
global warming on Earth would suggests that we really don't understand the
mechanisms.
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We KNOW that excessive CO2 levels causes warming.
So how exactly did the CO2 from Earth get all the way to Mars?
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Nobody with a functioning brain doesn't understand that warming
and cooling cycles were occuring long before man came along.
Heck, the planet has been warmer within recorded human history
and long before industrialization was even a consideration.
And how did man cause the ice caps on Mars to melt?
Mad scientists launching huge fresnel lenses into orbit?
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And how did man cause the ice caps on Mars to melt?
The Scots deep-fried them in batter.
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Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years. Indutrial
man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time. You lot are the
scientifically challenged ones.
then look at the effects on the glacier series and the physics of forcing...
nobody sane denies man made global warming....
Back when my good buddy Og invented fire I warned him. Sure, I said,
it makes the cave nicer. Sure, the meat tastes better when you coat it
with flame. Sure the rambleflapus is scared of it. But man, you are
going to start melting the glaciers and screw up this nice ice age we
have going.

But did he listen? No or course not; man is evil. Idiot went ahead,
sold all the weak minds on the idea, made a fortune marketing and
franchising it, and now we are stuck with this civilization thing.

Phooey, back to the caves I say.
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There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Better question still: Who would benefit (financially - follow the
dollars) from the FORCED changes in human behavior that GW/climate
change alarmists are trying to push on everyone??
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There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Better question still: Who would benefit (financially - follow the
dollars) from the FORCED changes in human behavior that GW/climate
change alarmists are trying to push on everyone??
why on earth have you been 'forced' to use modern medicine...

it is an outrage
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There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
Better question still: Who would benefit (financially - follow the
dollars) from the FORCED changes in human behavior that GW/climate
change alarmists are trying to push on everyone??
why on earth have you been 'forced' to use modern medicine...
I haven't been forced to use modern medicine. If I had a disease and
wanted to treat it with leaches and poultices, or witch doctor
incantations, instead of prescription medications, I have that right.
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
**That would be a rhetorical question, you moron. Let's try and
re-phrase it in a way that you can understand:

* The average climate scientist makes around US$50,000.00 PA.
* People like Lindzen (who does not deny AGW, BTW) is on record earning
as much as US$2,500.00 PER DAY from Exxon.
* The Heartland Institute (the denier's go-to organisation) operates the
same way that big tobacco operated in years past. They no longer reveal
the sources of their funding. They keep it secret, but we can assume
that it comes from the usual sources - Exxon, Koch Industries, et al.

So, let's follow the money. Let's see who is funding and how much money
is going to people like Lindzen, Plimer and the others who publish
material to fool morons like you.
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Yah retard, the claimate has been changing for 4.5 billion years.
**Yes, the claimate (sic) has been changing for 4.5 billion years. It
has been changing due to a wide variety of influences. Right now, the
major influence on the claimate (sic) is CO2 emissions released by human
activity.


Indutrial
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man has been around for a tiny fraction of that time.
**Yes, indutrial (sic) man has only been influencing the climate for a
few hundred years. Nonetheless, we know that CO2 levels AND temperature
levels have risen around 100 times more rapidly in the past 100 years,
than at any time in (at least) the past 1 million years.

You lot are the
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scientifically challenged ones.
**Really? Tell us: What are your scientific credentials that suggest we
should trust you idiotic opinions over that of every climatologist on
the planet?
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$$$!
There you have it. Who stands to gain by pretending there is no climate
change?
Better question: Who benefits by pretending that man caused it and we can
actually do something about it?
**That would be a rhetorical question, you moron. Let's try and re-phrase
* The average climate scientist makes around US$50,000.00 PA.
"So global warming professors are the tenth highest paid profession in the
nation and the third highest paid profession in the public sector. In terms
of median earnings, they are paid as much as the average private sector
CEO."

http://www.globalwarming.org/2011/03/02/climate-science-10th-highest-paid-profession/

"Workers in an environmental-related field are in high demand, due to the
rising commitment to protecting the natural world. "

"Geoscientists: $90,890
Atmospheric Scientists: $89,260"

http://www.environmentalsciencedegree.com/average-salary-in-environmental-science/
* People like Lindzen (who does not deny AGW, BTW) is on record earning as
much as US$2,500.00 PER DAY from Exxon.
And not denyng AGW is a far different thing that denying AGW.

It simply means he's willing to listen, but hasn't seen any real evidence to
either support or refute AGW.

But of course, in your binary world, if you don't deny AGW that has to mean
you support AGW.

PS, your attempt to apply an average as a counterpoint to an individual
shows nothing.

Further care to tell us how much Dr. Kevin Trenberth makes?
* The Heartland Institute (the denier's go-to organisation) operates the
same way that big tobacco operated in years past. They no longer reveal
the sources of their funding. They keep it secret, but we can assume that
it comes from the usual sources - Exxon, Koch Industries, et al.
So, let's follow the money. Let's see who is funding and how much money is
going to people like Lindzen, Plimer and the others who publish material
to fool morons like you.
Well, we know that Dr. Kevin Trenberth has gotten MILLIONS from the US
government.....

So who's the fool?
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