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Leaked minutes show Labour at odds over antisemitism claims
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Tim
2018-04-07 16:20:15 UTC
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The depth of the split in the Labour party’s ruling body over
antisemitism and racism has been laid bare in leaked minutes that show
fierce disagreements over disciplinary action.

Key supporters of Jeremy Corbyn attempted to block action against Labour
members facing complaints, according to the minutes obtained by the
Guardian.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/06/leaked-minutes-show-labour-at-odds-over-antisemitism-claims



Ordinary Jews should not be held accountable for the actions of Jewish
officials. There are good and bad Jews just as there are good and bad
Christians and Muslims. Labour really needs to get its house in order on
this issue .
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abelard
2018-04-07 16:23:42 UTC
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The depth of the split in the Labour party’s ruling body over
antisemitism and racism has been laid bare in leaked minutes that show
fierce disagreements over disciplinary action.
Key supporters of Jeremy Corbyn attempted to block action against Labour
members facing complaints, according to the minutes obtained by the
Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/06/leaked-minutes-show-labour-at-odds-over-antisemitism-claims
Ordinary Jews should not be held accountable for the actions of Jewish
officials. There are good and bad Jews just as there are good and bad
Christians and Muslims. Labour really needs to get its house in order on
this issue .
what? and lose the votes of anti-semites?
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Tim
2018-04-07 16:41:48 UTC
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The depth of the split in the Labour party’s ruling body over
antisemitism and racism has been laid bare in leaked minutes that show
fierce disagreements over disciplinary action.
Key supporters of Jeremy Corbyn attempted to block action against Labour
members facing complaints, according to the minutes obtained by the
Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/06/leaked-minutes-show-labour-at-odds-over-antisemitism-claims
Ordinary Jews should not be held accountable for the actions of Jewish
officials. There are good and bad Jews just as there are good and bad
Christians and Muslims. Labour really needs to get its house in order on
this issue .
what? and lose the votes of anti-semites?
Labour should not be a party that Mosley would've been proud of. There
should be no room for anti-Semites in the party. Fair minded criticism
of Israeli government policy is fine , general hostility against Jews is
not.

Anti-Semites should be expelled from the party and not allowed to return.
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saracene
2018-04-07 16:57:32 UTC
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The depth of the split in the Labour party’s ruling body over
antisemitism and racism has been laid bare in leaked minutes that show
fierce disagreements over disciplinary action.
Key supporters of Jeremy Corbyn attempted to block action against Labour
members facing complaints, according to the minutes obtained by the
Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/06/leaked-minutes-show-labour-at-odds-over-antisemitism-claims
Ordinary Jews should not be held accountable for the actions of Jewish
officials. There are good and bad Jews just as there are good and bad
Christians and Muslims. Labour really needs to get its house in order on
this issue .
what? and lose the votes of anti-semites?
Labour should not be a party that Mosley would've been proud of. There
should be no room for anti-Semites in the party. Fair minded criticism
of Israeli government policy is fine , general hostility against Jews is
not.
Anti-Semites should be expelled from the party and not allowed to return.
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Let's ask you. Can you give a definition of antisemitism or at least a helpful guide as to what counts? Abelard just said I should look in the mirror. Is the organistian Jewdas antisemitic IYO?

I have never expressed a deisre to deprive Jews of their civil rights, or to stop them slaughtering kosher style or circunscising their little boys.
Tim
2018-04-07 17:10:13 UTC
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The depth of the split in the Labour party’s ruling body over
antisemitism and racism has been laid bare in leaked minutes that show
fierce disagreements over disciplinary action.
Key supporters of Jeremy Corbyn attempted to block action against Labour
members facing complaints, according to the minutes obtained by the
Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/06/leaked-minutes-show-labour-at-odds-over-antisemitism-claims
Ordinary Jews should not be held accountable for the actions of Jewish
officials. There are good and bad Jews just as there are good and bad
Christians and Muslims. Labour really needs to get its house in order on
this issue .
what? and lose the votes of anti-semites?
Labour should not be a party that Mosley would've been proud of. There
should be no room for anti-Semites in the party. Fair minded criticism
of Israeli government policy is fine , general hostility against Jews is
not.
Anti-Semites should be expelled from the party and not allowed to return.
--
Let's ask you. Can you give a definition of antisemitism or at least a helpful guide as to what counts? Abelard just said I should look in the mirror. Is the organistian Jewdas antisemitic IYO?
I have never expressed a deisre to deprive Jews of their civil rights, or to stop them slaughtering kosher style or circunscising their little boys.
I'll leave it to people more expert than me to decide.
https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/sites/default/files/press_release_document_antisemitism.pdf
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abelard
2018-04-07 17:06:14 UTC
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The depth of the split in the Labour party’s ruling body over
antisemitism and racism has been laid bare in leaked minutes that show
fierce disagreements over disciplinary action.
Key supporters of Jeremy Corbyn attempted to block action against Labour
members facing complaints, according to the minutes obtained by the
Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/06/leaked-minutes-show-labour-at-odds-over-antisemitism-claims
Ordinary Jews should not be held accountable for the actions of Jewish
officials. There are good and bad Jews just as there are good and bad
Christians and Muslims. Labour really needs to get its house in order on
this issue .
what? and lose the votes of anti-semites?
Labour should not be a party that Mosley would've been proud of. There
should be no room for anti-Semites in the party. Fair minded criticism
of Israeli government policy is fine , general hostility against Jews is
not.
Anti-Semites should be expelled from the party and not allowed to return.
agent cob is moving into the space occupied by le pen
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saracene
2018-04-07 17:13:06 UTC
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Post by Tim
Post by abelard
Post by Tim
The depth of the split in the Labour party’s ruling body over
antisemitism and racism has been laid bare in leaked minutes that show
fierce disagreements over disciplinary action.
Key supporters of Jeremy Corbyn attempted to block action against Labour
members facing complaints, according to the minutes obtained by the
Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/06/leaked-minutes-show-labour-at-odds-over-antisemitism-claims
Ordinary Jews should not be held accountable for the actions of Jewish
officials. There are good and bad Jews just as there are good and bad
Christians and Muslims. Labour really needs to get its house in order on
this issue .
what? and lose the votes of anti-semites?
Labour should not be a party that Mosley would've been proud of. There
should be no room for anti-Semites in the party. Fair minded criticism
of Israeli government policy is fine , general hostility against Jews is
not.
Anti-Semites should be expelled from the party and not allowed to return.
agent cob is moving into the space occupied by le pen
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Chonsky doens't think so:-

"One must admire the incredible skills the media have in manipulating the population. They've managed to convince many that the most passionate Anti-Racist Campaigner of the last 40 years, Jeremy Corbyn, is actually Pro-Racist and Anti-Semitic."

Chomsky is a twat but you are ridiculously partisan. Anyway unless you mean her father Le Pen is not antisemitic.
abelard
2018-04-07 17:17:19 UTC
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Post by abelard
The depth of the split in the Labour party’s ruling body over
antisemitism and racism has been laid bare in leaked minutes that show
fierce disagreements over disciplinary action.
Key supporters of Jeremy Corbyn attempted to block action against Labour
members facing complaints, according to the minutes obtained by the
Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/06/leaked-minutes-show-labour-at-odds-over-antisemitism-claims
Ordinary Jews should not be held accountable for the actions of Jewish
officials. There are good and bad Jews just as there are good and bad
Christians and Muslims. Labour really needs to get its house in order on
this issue .
what? and lose the votes of anti-semites?
Labour should not be a party that Mosley would've been proud of. There
should be no room for anti-Semites in the party. Fair minded criticism
of Israeli government policy is fine , general hostility against Jews is
not.
Anti-Semites should be expelled from the party and not allowed to return.
agent cob is moving into the space occupied by le pen
--
Chonsky doens't think so:-
i have a low opinion of chumpsky
Post by saracene
"One must admire the incredible skills the media have in manipulating the population. They've managed to convince many that the most passionate Anti-Racist Campaigner of the last 40 years, Jeremy Corbyn, is actually Pro-Racist and Anti-Semitic."
i trust actions...not words
Post by saracene
Chomsky is a twat but you are ridiculously partisan. Anyway unless you mean her father Le Pen is not antisemitic.
she's trying to clean up the image...how genuine she is i know not
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saracene
2018-04-07 17:33:04 UTC
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The depth of the split in the Labour party’s ruling body over
antisemitism and racism has been laid bare in leaked minutes that show
fierce disagreements over disciplinary action.
Key supporters of Jeremy Corbyn attempted to block action against Labour
members facing complaints, according to the minutes obtained by the
Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/06/leaked-minutes-show-labour-at-odds-over-antisemitism-claims
Ordinary Jews should not be held accountable for the actions of Jewish
officials. There are good and bad Jews just as there are good and bad
Christians and Muslims. Labour really needs to get its house in order on
this issue .
what? and lose the votes of anti-semites?
Labour should not be a party that Mosley would've been proud of. There
should be no room for anti-Semites in the party. Fair minded criticism
of Israeli government policy is fine , general hostility against Jews is
not.
Anti-Semites should be expelled from the party and not allowed to return.
agent cob is moving into the space occupied by le pen
--
Chonsky doens't think so:-
i have a low opinion of chumpsky
Post by saracene
"One must admire the incredible skills the media have in manipulating the population. They've managed to convince many that the most passionate Anti-Racist Campaigner of the last 40 years, Jeremy Corbyn, is actually Pro-Racist and Anti-Semitic."
i trust actions...not words
Post by saracene
Chomsky is a twat but you are ridiculously partisan. Anyway unless you mean her father Le Pen is not antisemitic.
she's trying to clean up the image...how genuine she is i know not
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You've shown you can't discuss this subject sensibly or rationally. You just talk garbage. Your emotion gets in the way. Best drop it and leave it to others. Stop making a fool of yourself,
saracene
2018-04-09 13:54:31 UTC
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i trust actions...not words
Old fascist slogan

"Action not words" was one of Mussolini's favourite phrases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_(newspaper)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Française
Incubus
2018-04-09 11:02:33 UTC
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The depth of the split in the Labour party’s ruling body over
antisemitism and racism has been laid bare in leaked minutes that show
fierce disagreements over disciplinary action.
Key supporters of Jeremy Corbyn attempted to block action against Labour
members facing complaints, according to the minutes obtained by the
Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/06/leaked-minutes-show-labour-at-odds-over-antisemitism-claims
Ordinary Jews should not be held accountable for the actions of Jewish
officials. There are good and bad Jews just as there are good and bad
Christians and Muslims. Labour really needs to get its house in order on
this issue .
what? and lose the votes of anti-semites?
Labour should not be a party that Mosley would've been proud of. There
should be no room for anti-Semites in the party. Fair minded criticism
of Israeli government policy is fine , general hostility against Jews is
not.
Anti-Semites should be expelled from the party and not allowed to return.
Mosley wasn't an anti-Semite.
Tim
2018-04-09 11:28:00 UTC
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The depth of the split in the Labour party’s ruling body over
antisemitism and racism has been laid bare in leaked minutes that show
fierce disagreements over disciplinary action.
Key supporters of Jeremy Corbyn attempted to block action against Labour
members facing complaints, according to the minutes obtained by the
Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/06/leaked-minutes-show-labour-at-odds-over-antisemitism-claims
Ordinary Jews should not be held accountable for the actions of Jewish
officials. There are good and bad Jews just as there are good and bad
Christians and Muslims. Labour really needs to get its house in order on
this issue .
what? and lose the votes of anti-semites?
Labour should not be a party that Mosley would've been proud of. There
should be no room for anti-Semites in the party. Fair minded criticism
of Israeli government policy is fine , general hostility against Jews is
not.
Anti-Semites should be expelled from the party and not allowed to return.
Mosley wasn't an anti-Semite.
That's a contentious viewpoint.
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Incubus
2018-04-09 13:20:05 UTC
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The depth of the split in the Labour party’s ruling body over
antisemitism and racism has been laid bare in leaked minutes that show
fierce disagreements over disciplinary action.
Key supporters of Jeremy Corbyn attempted to block action against Labour
members facing complaints, according to the minutes obtained by the
Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/06/leaked-minutes-show-labour-at-odds-over-antisemitism-claims
Ordinary Jews should not be held accountable for the actions of Jewish
officials. There are good and bad Jews just as there are good and bad
Christians and Muslims. Labour really needs to get its house in order on
this issue .
what? and lose the votes of anti-semites?
Labour should not be a party that Mosley would've been proud of. There
should be no room for anti-Semites in the party. Fair minded criticism of
Israeli government policy is fine , general hostility against Jews is not.
Anti-Semites should be expelled from the party and not allowed to return.
Mosley wasn't an anti-Semite.
That's a contentious viewpoint.
Not to anyone who has bothered to read on the history of Mosley, The New Party
and the BUF rather than absorbing the conventional wisdom that gets
regurgitated.
Tim
2018-04-09 14:31:26 UTC
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The depth of the split in the Labour party’s ruling body over
antisemitism and racism has been laid bare in leaked minutes that show
fierce disagreements over disciplinary action.
Key supporters of Jeremy Corbyn attempted to block action against Labour
members facing complaints, according to the minutes obtained by the
Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/06/leaked-minutes-show-labour-at-odds-over-antisemitism-claims
Ordinary Jews should not be held accountable for the actions of Jewish
officials. There are good and bad Jews just as there are good and bad
Christians and Muslims. Labour really needs to get its house in order on
this issue .
what? and lose the votes of anti-semites?
Labour should not be a party that Mosley would've been proud of. There
should be no room for anti-Semites in the party. Fair minded criticism of
Israeli government policy is fine , general hostility against Jews is not.
Anti-Semites should be expelled from the party and not allowed to return.
Mosley wasn't an anti-Semite.
That's a contentious viewpoint.
Not to anyone who has bothered to read on the history of Mosley, The New Party
and the BUF rather than absorbing the conventional wisdom that gets
regurgitated.
This from events in the 30s contradicts your position .
https://wdc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/tav/id/5206/
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saracene
2018-04-09 14:58:44 UTC
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The depth of the split in the Labour party’s ruling body over
antisemitism and racism has been laid bare in leaked minutes that show
fierce disagreements over disciplinary action.
Key supporters of Jeremy Corbyn attempted to block action against Labour
members facing complaints, according to the minutes obtained by the
Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/06/leaked-minutes-show-labour-at-odds-over-antisemitism-claims
Ordinary Jews should not be held accountable for the actions of Jewish
officials. There are good and bad Jews just as there are good and bad
Christians and Muslims. Labour really needs to get its house in order on
this issue .
what? and lose the votes of anti-semites?
Labour should not be a party that Mosley would've been proud of. There
should be no room for anti-Semites in the party. Fair minded criticism of
Israeli government policy is fine , general hostility against Jews is not.
Anti-Semites should be expelled from the party and not allowed to return.
Mosley wasn't an anti-Semite.
That's a contentious viewpoint.
Not to anyone who has bothered to read on the history of Mosley, The New Party
and the BUF rather than absorbing the conventional wisdom that gets
regurgitated.
This from events in the 30s contradicts your position .
https://wdc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/tav/id/5206/
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An intersting read but communist propaganda. Note how it praises Jewish workers for being in the vanguard of the fight against "social injustice". Jews were subversives, anarchists and communists, something of a menace even when poor. Mosley claimed that he was not himself antisemitic but accepted the supoprt of antismities because he was trying to resisit Jewish pressure for war against Germany. He said he actually expelled William Joyce (Lord Haw Haw) from his party.
Incubus
2018-04-09 15:16:20 UTC
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The depth of the split in the Labour party’s ruling body over
antisemitism and racism has been laid bare in leaked minutes that show
fierce disagreements over disciplinary action.
Key supporters of Jeremy Corbyn attempted to block action against
Labour members facing complaints, according to the minutes obtained by
the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/06/leaked-minutes-show-labour-at-odds-over-antisemitism-claims
Ordinary Jews should not be held accountable for the actions of Jewish
officials. There are good and bad Jews just as there are good and bad
Christians and Muslims. Labour really needs to get its house in order
on this issue .
what? and lose the votes of anti-semites?
Labour should not be a party that Mosley would've been proud of. There
should be no room for anti-Semites in the party. Fair minded criticism of
Israeli government policy is fine , general hostility against Jews is not.
Anti-Semites should be expelled from the party and not allowed to return.
Mosley wasn't an anti-Semite.
That's a contentious viewpoint.
Not to anyone who has bothered to read on the history of Mosley, The New
Party and the BUF rather than absorbing the conventional wisdom that gets
regurgitated.
This from events in the 30s contradicts your position .
https://wdc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/tav/id/5206/
That's an opinion piece. Find me a transcript of one of Mosley's speeches or
one of his numerous books or pamphlets that supports your contention.
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