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Public want access to single market, and willing to accept immigration.
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Mark, Devon
2017-07-17 05:46:36 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/17/majority-of-brexiters-would-swap-free-movement-for-eu-market-access

YouGov poll shows the public is keen to compromise on immigration as trade-off for access to single market.

All MPs should take heed of this....after the UK has agreed to paying billions in our 'divorce bill', British people want to see as soft a Brexit as is possible.

No deal is a very very bad deal, everyone with any sense knows it, and anyone who believes otherwise can go whistle.
James Harris
2017-07-17 06:14:28 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/17/majority-of-brexiters-would-swap-free-movement-for-eu-market-access
YouGov poll shows the public is keen to compromise on immigration as trade-off for access to single market.
I think that's what David Davis has said he will go for: preserve
immigration at least in the short term, as necessary.

Everyone has access to the single market so that point's moot.
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All MPs should take heed of this....after the UK has agreed to paying billions in our 'divorce bill', British people want to see as soft a Brexit as is possible.
I think there's a lot of people all saying the same thing but with
different emphases.
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No deal is a very very bad deal, everyone with any sense knows it, and anyone who believes otherwise can go whistle.
By "no deal" do you mean "no FTA" or "no agreement" or what? What do you
think "no deal" means? Unless that is explained, the term is meaningless.
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2017-07-17 07:41:55 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/17/majority-of-brexiters-would-swap-free-movement-for-eu-market-access
YouGov poll shows the public is keen to compromise on immigration as trade-off for access to single market.
All MPs should take heed of this....after the UK has agreed to paying billions in our 'divorce bill', British people want to see as soft a Brexit as is possible.
No deal is a very very bad deal, everyone with any sense knows it, and anyone who believes otherwise can go whistle.
No deal is a better deal than the one we at present suffer.

The UK has not accepted the 'divorce settlement' They have agreed to pay every penny owed which is not the same a every penny demanded. "The UK always meets its obligations.

Of course if there is no deal, then there will be no such obligation. Personally I would prefer they 'go whistle' It's OK for you, it's not your money!

The single market carries with it non monetary obligations like freedom of movement and, worse still, subjugation to the ECJ. The single market operates in two directions and we are at the wrong end of a traded deficit.

Let them compete with others for the favour of our custom. That's what I say!

To remain in the single market means there is no point in leaving.
abelard
2017-07-17 11:00:29 UTC
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Post by Mark, Devon
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/17/majority-of-brexiters-would-swap-free-movement-for-eu-market-access
YouGov poll shows the public is keen to compromise on immigration as trade-off for access to single market.
All MPs should take heed of this....after the UK has agreed to paying billions in our 'divorce bill', British people want to see as soft a Brexit as is possible.
No deal is a very very bad deal, everyone with any sense knows it, and anyone who believes otherwise can go whistle.
'the public'
'the groaniad'
'armchair general'

all useless sources...
Vidcapper
2017-07-17 11:18:32 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/17/majority-of-brexiters-would-swap-free-movement-for-eu-market-access
YouGov poll shows the public is keen to compromise on immigration as
trade-off for access to single market.
All MPs should take heed of this....after the UK has agreed to paying
billions in our 'divorce bill', British people want to see as soft a
Brexit as is possible.
No deal is a very very bad deal, everyone with any sense knows it,
and anyone who believes otherwise can go whistle.
This poll says somewhat different...
Post by Mark, Devon
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4701874/Tony-Blair-s-poll-says-Britons-want-Hard-Brexit.html
Poll commissioned by Tony Blair says Britons DO want Hard Brexit and
demand fewer migrants, demolishing the ex-PM's claims that the country
doesn't want to leave the EU

[Hey, if you can quote the Grauniad, then I can quote the Mail] :p
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abelard
2017-07-17 11:27:35 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/17/majority-of-brexiters-would-swap-free-movement-for-eu-market-access
YouGov poll shows the public is keen to compromise on immigration as
trade-off for access to single market.
All MPs should take heed of this....after the UK has agreed to paying
billions in our 'divorce bill', British people want to see as soft a
Brexit as is possible.
No deal is a very very bad deal, everyone with any sense knows it,
and anyone who believes otherwise can go whistle.
This poll says somewhat different...
Post by Mark, Devon
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4701874/Tony-Blair-s-poll-says-Britons-want-Hard-Brexit.html
Poll commissioned by Tony Blair says Britons DO want Hard Brexit and
demand fewer migrants, demolishing the ex-PM's claims that the country
doesn't want to leave the EU
[Hey, if you can quote the Grauniad, then I can quote the Mail] :p
there is not a fag paper between bliar and corvyd...

they are both either dishonest or dopey and both will destroy
the uk society and economy by similar behaviour...

it is excitng to see them both pretending as hard as maybe that
they are 'different'
Incubus
2017-07-17 11:49:49 UTC
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Post by Mark, Devon
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/17/majority-of-brexiters-would-swap-free-movement-for-eu-market-access
YouGov poll shows the public is keen to compromise on immigration as
trade-off for access to single market.
All MPs should take heed of this....after the UK has agreed to paying
billions in our 'divorce bill', British people want to see as soft a
Brexit as is possible.
No deal is a very very bad deal, everyone with any sense knows it,
and anyone who believes otherwise can go whistle.
This poll says somewhat different...
Post by Mark, Devon
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4701874/Tony-Blair-s-poll-says-Britons-want-Hard-Brexit.html
Poll commissioned by Tony Blair says Britons DO want Hard Brexit and
demand fewer migrants, demolishing the ex-PM's claims that the country
doesn't want to leave the EU
[Hey, if you can quote the Grauniad, then I can quote the Mail] :p
there is not a fag paper between bliar and corvyd...
Politically, there is: Corvyd is a revolutionary Marxist at heart
whereas Blair went the Cultural Marxist route. Corvyd is an
international Communist compared to Blair's Globalism. Of course, both
pretend to be men of the people, mix with shady characters who will
assist their agenda and favour redistribution of our wealth so outside
appearance suggests there's not much difference but I believe Corbyn's
damage would be shorter-term than Blair's for the sole reason that Blair
set out to damage the fabric of British society.
Post by abelard
they are both either dishonest or dopey and both will destroy
the uk society and economy by similar behaviour...
History shows that Britain can bounce back from men like Corbyn provided
we have suitable leadership to help give society what it needs to
regenerate. I don't believe we will ever rebound from some of the
damage that Blair has wrought.
Post by abelard
it is excitng to see them both pretending as hard as maybe that
they are 'different'
Corbyn makes me think of an aged Wolfie Smith. Do you think he or
Kinnock would have caused as much harm as Blair/Brown?
abelard
2017-07-17 15:54:51 UTC
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Post by Mark, Devon
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/17/majority-of-brexiters-would-swap-free-movement-for-eu-market-access
YouGov poll shows the public is keen to compromise on immigration as
trade-off for access to single market.
All MPs should take heed of this....after the UK has agreed to paying
billions in our 'divorce bill', British people want to see as soft a
Brexit as is possible.
No deal is a very very bad deal, everyone with any sense knows it,
and anyone who believes otherwise can go whistle.
This poll says somewhat different...
Post by Mark, Devon
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4701874/Tony-Blair-s-poll-says-Britons-want-Hard-Brexit.html
Poll commissioned by Tony Blair says Britons DO want Hard Brexit and
demand fewer migrants, demolishing the ex-PM's claims that the country
doesn't want to leave the EU
[Hey, if you can quote the Grauniad, then I can quote the Mail] :p
there is not a fag paper between bliar and corvyd...
Politically, there is: Corvyd is a revolutionary Marxist at heart
whereas Blair went the Cultural Marxist route.
same objective...differerent tactics
Post by Incubus
Corvyd is an
international Communist compared to Blair's Globalism.
that would be both international socialists whereas sweet
jerry is presenting himself as a national socialist
Post by Incubus
Of course, both
pretend to be men of the people, mix with shady characters who will
assist their agenda and favour redistribution of our wealth so outside
appearance suggests there's not much difference but I believe Corbyn's
damage would be shorter-term than Blair's for the sole reason that Blair
set out to damage the fabric of British society.
they both intend to destroy the uk...one an internationalist and
one wants socialism in one country...
they are both destructive cultists
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Post by abelard
they are both either dishonest or dopey and both will destroy
the uk society and economy by similar behaviour...
History shows that Britain can bounce back from men like Corbyn provided
we have suitable leadership to help give society what it needs to
regenerate. I don't believe we will ever rebound from some of the
damage that Blair has wrought.
the reason for that has been tory cowardice and irresponsibility
giving bliar a much longer time to work his destruction...
if the uk is ever foolish enough to let corvyd near power he
will build on bliar's destrutcion...

there is no difference...it's a religious cult...not a political party
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Post by abelard
it is excitng to see them both pretending as hard as maybe that
they are 'different'
Corbyn makes me think of an aged Wolfie Smith. Do you think he or
Kinnock would have caused as much harm as Blair/Brown?
if they'd been give as much time...cerrtainly...

jerry admires dictators around the world...why on earth do you
suppose he's differ from turkey or iran or cuba or mugabe
or n. korea if he ever got sufficient power...
Incubus
2017-07-17 16:05:06 UTC
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Post by Mark, Devon
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/17/majority-of-brexiters-would-swap-free-movement-for-eu-market-access
YouGov poll shows the public is keen to compromise on immigration as
trade-off for access to single market.
All MPs should take heed of this....after the UK has agreed to paying
billions in our 'divorce bill', British people want to see as soft a
Brexit as is possible.
No deal is a very very bad deal, everyone with any sense knows it,
and anyone who believes otherwise can go whistle.
This poll says somewhat different...
Post by Mark, Devon
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4701874/Tony-Blair-s-poll-says-Britons-want-Hard-Brexit.html
Poll commissioned by Tony Blair says Britons DO want Hard Brexit and
demand fewer migrants, demolishing the ex-PM's claims that the country
doesn't want to leave the EU
[Hey, if you can quote the Grauniad, then I can quote the Mail] :p
there is not a fag paper between bliar and corvyd...
Politically, there is: Corvyd is a revolutionary Marxist at heart
whereas Blair went the Cultural Marxist route.
same objective...differerent tactics
Fair enough.
Post by abelard
Post by Incubus
Corvyd is an
international Communist compared to Blair's Globalism.
that would be both international socialists whereas sweet
jerry is presenting himself as a national socialist
He doesn't seem too overwhelmed with support for the EU, though, whereas
Blair is enamoured of it.
Post by abelard
Post by Incubus
Of course, both
pretend to be men of the people, mix with shady characters who will
assist their agenda and favour redistribution of our wealth so outside
appearance suggests there's not much difference but I believe Corbyn's
damage would be shorter-term than Blair's for the sole reason that Blair
set out to damage the fabric of British society.
they both intend to destroy the uk...one an internationalist and
one wants socialism in one country...
they are both destructive cultists
It just amazes me that people fall for it. Labour's 'For the many, not
the few' slogan has been taken up by a number of people on FB. One
person I know was quoting Bob Dylan after the last election.
Post by abelard
Post by Incubus
Post by abelard
they are both either dishonest or dopey and both will destroy
the uk society and economy by similar behaviour...
History shows that Britain can bounce back from men like Corbyn provided
we have suitable leadership to help give society what it needs to
regenerate. I don't believe we will ever rebound from some of the
damage that Blair has wrought.
the reason for that has been tory cowardice and irresponsibility
giving bliar a much longer time to work his destruction...
if the uk is ever foolish enough to let corvyd near power he
will build on bliar's destrutcion...
there is no difference...it's a religious cult...not a political party
What do you think of Momentum? They seem to me on the one hand a
personality cult of Corbyn but who would soon champion another Marxist
if Corbyn were out of the way. They seem a credible threat, though.
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Post by abelard
it is excitng to see them both pretending as hard as maybe that
they are 'different'
Corbyn makes me think of an aged Wolfie Smith. Do you think he or
Kinnock would have caused as much harm as Blair/Brown?
if they'd been give as much time...cerrtainly...
jerry admires dictators around the world...why on earth do you
suppose he's differ from turkey or iran or cuba or mugabe
or n. korea if he ever got sufficient power...
I don't; I just trust that he wouldn't achieve such power. Blair didn't
have that power but worked his evil in a more subtle form. That's one
reason why I think Blair is more dangerous; he seems more intelligent.
abelard
2017-07-17 16:23:24 UTC
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Post by Mark, Devon
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/17/majority-of-brexiters-would-swap-free-movement-for-eu-market-access
YouGov poll shows the public is keen to compromise on immigration as
trade-off for access to single market.
All MPs should take heed of this....after the UK has agreed to paying
billions in our 'divorce bill', British people want to see as soft a
Brexit as is possible.
No deal is a very very bad deal, everyone with any sense knows it,
and anyone who believes otherwise can go whistle.
This poll says somewhat different...
Post by Mark, Devon
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4701874/Tony-Blair-s-poll-says-Britons-want-Hard-Brexit.html
Poll commissioned by Tony Blair says Britons DO want Hard Brexit and
demand fewer migrants, demolishing the ex-PM's claims that the country
doesn't want to leave the EU
[Hey, if you can quote the Grauniad, then I can quote the Mail] :p
there is not a fag paper between bliar and corvyd...
Politically, there is: Corvyd is a revolutionary Marxist at heart
whereas Blair went the Cultural Marxist route.
same objective...differerent tactics
Fair enough.
Post by abelard
Post by Incubus
Corvyd is an
international Communist compared to Blair's Globalism.
that would be both international socialists whereas sweet
jerry is presenting himself as a national socialist
He doesn't seem too overwhelmed with support for the EU, though, whereas
Blair is enamoured of it.
Post by abelard
Post by Incubus
Of course, both
pretend to be men of the people, mix with shady characters who will
assist their agenda and favour redistribution of our wealth so outside
appearance suggests there's not much difference but I believe Corbyn's
damage would be shorter-term than Blair's for the sole reason that Blair
set out to damage the fabric of British society.
they both intend to destroy the uk...one an internationalist and
one wants socialism in one country...
they are both destructive cultists
It just amazes me that people fall for it. Labour's 'For the many, not
the few' slogan has been taken up by a number of people on FB. One
person I know was quoting Bob Dylan after the last election.
Post by abelard
Post by Incubus
Post by abelard
they are both either dishonest or dopey and both will destroy
the uk society and economy by similar behaviour...
History shows that Britain can bounce back from men like Corbyn provided
we have suitable leadership to help give society what it needs to
regenerate. I don't believe we will ever rebound from some of the
damage that Blair has wrought.
the reason for that has been tory cowardice and irresponsibility
giving bliar a much longer time to work his destruction...
if the uk is ever foolish enough to let corvyd near power he
will build on bliar's destrutcion...
there is no difference...it's a religious cult...not a political party
What do you think of Momentum?
about the same as the kkk and the brown shirts....the enforcing
militaristic arm of the socialist cult
Post by Incubus
They seem to me on the one hand a
personality cult of Corbyn but who would soon champion another Marxist
if Corbyn were out of the way. They seem a credible threat, though.
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Post by Incubus
Post by abelard
it is excitng to see them both pretending as hard as maybe that
they are 'different'
Corbyn makes me think of an aged Wolfie Smith. Do you think he or
Kinnock would have caused as much harm as Blair/Brown?
if they'd been give as much time...cerrtainly...
jerry admires dictators around the world...why on earth do you
suppose he's differ from turkey or iran or cuba or mugabe
or n. korea if he ever got sufficient power...
I don't; I just trust that he wouldn't achieve such power.
you are much more complascent than myself
Post by Incubus
Blair didn't
have that power but worked his evil in a more subtle form. That's one
reason why I think Blair is more dangerous; he seems more intelligent.
it always takes socialist a decade or two to gain sufficient power

bliar did a very great deal to undermine the rule of law...
they also starve the military...
they work to turn citizens into clients of the state...
they expand the state by any means available...
they sold the law to the eussr socialists...

imv sweet jerry is brighter than bliar which only makes him
more dangerous
saracene
2017-07-17 15:40:03 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/17/majority-of-brexiters-would-swap-free-movement-for-eu-market-access
YouGov poll shows the public is keen to compromise on immigration as
trade-off for access to single market.
All MPs should take heed of this....after the UK has agreed to paying
billions in our 'divorce bill', British people want to see as soft a
Brexit as is possible.
No deal is a very very bad deal, everyone with any sense knows it,
and anyone who believes otherwise can go whistle.
This poll says somewhat different...
Post by Mark, Devon
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4701874/Tony-Blair-s-poll-says-Britons-want-Hard-Brexit.html
Poll commissioned by Tony Blair says Britons DO want Hard Brexit and
demand fewer migrants, demolishing the ex-PM's claims that the country
doesn't want to leave the EU
[Hey, if you can quote the Grauniad, then I can quote the Mail] :p
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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being allowed to come here. But that is a taboo sentiment. We can live with the Poles and even the Romanisans. What Merkel did underlines our lack of control over our future. Once settled anywhere in the EU the migrant hordes would soon have got the absolute right to move here. That is just abhorrent to any idea of British sovereignty. Out own politicans may be bad enough, but at least we can vote them out. All this is of course obvious but it seems to need repeating.
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2017-07-17 15:43:34 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/17/majority-of-brexiters-would-swap-free-movement-for-eu-market-access
YouGov poll shows the public is keen to compromise on immigration as
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trade-off for access to single market.
All MPs should take heed of this....after the UK has agreed to
paying billions in our 'divorce bill', British people want to see
as soft a Brexit as is possible.
No deal is a very very bad deal, everyone with any sense knows
it, and anyone who believes otherwise can go whistle.
This poll says somewhat different...
Post by Mark, Devon
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4701874/Tony-Blair-s-poll-says-Britons-want-Hard-Brexit.html
Poll commissioned by Tony Blair says Britons DO want Hard Brexit and
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demand fewer migrants, demolishing the ex-PM's claims that the
country doesn't want to leave the EU
[Hey, if you can quote the Grauniad, then I can quote the Mail] :p
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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
I'd prefer fewer of them. How much they weigh isn't really an issue for me.
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But that is a taboo sentiment. We can live with
the Poles and even the Romanisans.
I'd prefer fewer of them as well.
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What Merkel did underlines our
lack of control over our future. Once settled anywhere in the EU the
migrant hordes would soon have got the absolute right to move here.
That is just abhorrent to any idea of British sovereignty. Out own
politicans may be bad enough, but at least we can vote them out. All
this is of course obvious but it seems to need repeating.
It's all part of the Kalergi Plan/Agenda 21.
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2017-07-17 16:24:27 UTC
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What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
I'd prefer fewer of them. How much they weigh isn't really an issue for me.
Current usage[edit]
The comparative less is used with both count and uncount nouns in some informal discourse environments and in most dialects of English.[citation needed] In other informal discourse however, the use of fewer could be considered natural. Many supermarket checkout line signs, for instance, will read "10 items or less"; others, however, will use fewer in an attempt to conform to what is incorrectly perceived as required by the prescription although this is in fact a clear case of hypercorrection as explained in Pocket Fowler’s Modern English Usage.[6][7] A British supermarket chain replaced its "10 items or less" notices at checkouts with "up to 10 items" to avoid the issue. It has also been noted that it is less common to favour "At fewest ten items" over "At least ten items" – a potential inconsistency in the "rule",[8] and a study of online usage seems to suggest that the distinction may, in fact, be semantic rather than grammatical.[7] Likewise, it would be very unusual to hear the unidiomatic "I have seen that film at fewest ten times." [9]

The Cambridge Guide to English Usage notes that the "pressure to substitute fewer for less seems to have developed out of all proportion to the ambiguity it may provide in noun phrases like less promising results". It describes conformance with this pressure as a shibboleth and the choice "between the more formal fewer and the more spontaneous less" as a stylistic choice.[1
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2017-07-17 16:27:52 UTC
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What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
I'd prefer fewer of them. How much they weigh isn't really an issue for me.
Current usage[edit] The comparative less is used with both count and
uncount nouns in some informal discourse environments and in most
dialects of English.
Stop being informal!
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2017-07-17 20:50:26 UTC
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What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
I'd prefer fewer of them. How much they weigh isn't really an issue for me.
Current usage[edit] The comparative less is used with both count and
uncount nouns in some informal discourse environments and in most
dialects of English.
Stop being informal!

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Agreed. I use 'fewer' too!
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2017-07-18 02:25:44 UTC
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What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
I'd prefer fewer of them. How much they weigh isn't really an issue for me.
Current usage[edit] The comparative less is used with both count and
uncount nouns in some informal discourse environments and in most
dialects of English.
Stop being informal!
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Agreed. I use 'fewer' too!
They should really make it a GCSE question.

17. Which is correct English?

a) What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.

b) What people really want is fewer black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
saracene
2017-07-18 10:52:06 UTC
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What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
I'd prefer fewer of them. How much they weigh isn't really an issue for me.
Current usage[edit] The comparative less is used with both count and
uncount nouns in some informal discourse environments and in most
dialects of English.
Stop being informal!
==
Agreed. I use 'fewer' too!
They should really make it a GCSE question.
17. Which is correct English?
a) What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
b) What people really want is fewer black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
Anyway I don't think of them as countable individuals, I see them as a mass and I want it reduced.
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2017-07-18 11:03:59 UTC
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What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
I'd prefer fewer of them. How much they weigh isn't really an issue for me.
Current usage[edit] The comparative less is used with both count and
uncount nouns in some informal discourse environments and in most
dialects of English.
Stop being informal!
==
Agreed. I use 'fewer' too!
They should really make it a GCSE question.
17. Which is correct English?
a) What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
b) What people really want is fewer black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
Anyway I don't think of them as countable individuals, I see them as a mass and I want it reduced.
How many tonnes would you like it to be reduced to?
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2017-07-18 11:44:49 UTC
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What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
I'd prefer fewer of them. How much they weigh isn't really an issue for me.
Current usage[edit] The comparative less is used with both count and
uncount nouns in some informal discourse environments and in most
dialects of English.
Stop being informal!
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Agreed. I use 'fewer' too!
They should really make it a GCSE question.
17. Which is correct English?
a) What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
b) What people really want is fewer black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
Anyway I don't think of them as countable individuals, I see them as a mass and I want it reduced.
How many tonnes would you like it to be reduced to?
Ideally to zero.
saracene
2017-07-18 11:47:12 UTC
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What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
I'd prefer fewer of them. How much they weigh isn't really an
issue for me.
Current usage[edit] The comparative less is used with both count and
uncount nouns in some informal discourse environments and in most
dialects of English.
Stop being informal!
==
Agreed. I use 'fewer' too!
They should really make it a GCSE question.
17. Which is correct English?
a) What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
b) What people really want is fewer black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
Anyway I don't think of them as countable individuals, I see them as a mass and I want it reduced.
How many tonnes would you like it to be reduced to?
Ideally to zero.
I also prefer to use imperial weights and measures.
Incubus
2017-07-18 11:53:13 UTC
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What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
I'd prefer fewer of them. How much they weigh isn't really an issue for me.
Current usage[edit] The comparative less is used with both count and
uncount nouns in some informal discourse environments and in most
dialects of English.
Stop being informal!
==
Agreed. I use 'fewer' too!
They should really make it a GCSE question.
17. Which is correct English?
a) What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
b) What people really want is fewer black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
Anyway I don't think of them as countable individuals, I see them as a mass and I want it reduced.
How many tonnes would you like it to be reduced to?
Ideally to zero.
Why stop at zero? A negative number would be better at this stage.
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2017-07-18 13:03:04 UTC
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What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
I'd prefer fewer of them. How much they weigh isn't really an issue for me.
Current usage[edit] The comparative less is used with both count and
uncount nouns in some informal discourse environments and in most
dialects of English.
Stop being informal!
==
Agreed. I use 'fewer' too!
They should really make it a GCSE question.
17. Which is correct English?
a) What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
b) What people really want is fewer black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
Anyway I don't think of them as countable individuals, I see them as
a mass and I want it reduced.
How many tonnes would you like it to be reduced to?
Ideally to zero.
Why stop at zero? A negative number would be better at this stage.
Are we still allowed to say "negative"?
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2017-07-18 13:10:00 UTC
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What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
I'd prefer fewer of them. How much they weigh isn't really an
issue for me.
Current usage[edit] The comparative less is used with both count and
uncount nouns in some informal discourse environments and in most
dialects of English.
Stop being informal!
==
Agreed. I use 'fewer' too!
They should really make it a GCSE question.
17. Which is correct English?
a) What people really want is less black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
b) What people really want is fewer black Africans and Muslims being
allowed to come here.
Anyway I don't think of them as countable individuals, I see them
as a mass and I want it reduced.
How many tonnes would you like it to be reduced to?
Ideally to zero.
Why stop at zero? A negative number would be better at this stage.
Are we still allowed to say "negative"?
I haven't heard any reports of Student Unions banning it so it's
probably okay for now.

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2017-07-17 16:29:08 UTC
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I'd prefer fewer of them. How much they weigh isn't really an issue for me.
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The comparative less is used with both count and uncount nouns in some informal discourse environments and in most dialects of English.[citation needed] In other informal discourse however, the use of fewer could be considered natural. Many supermarket checkout line signs, for instance, will read "10 items or less"; others, however, will use fewer in an attempt to conform to what is incorrectly perceived as required by the prescription although this is in fact a clear case of hypercorrection as explained in Pocket Fowler’s Modern English Usage.[6][7] A British supermarket chain replaced its "10 items or less" notices at checkouts with "up to 10 items" to avoid the issue. It has also been noted that it is less common to favour "At fewest ten items" over "At least ten items" – a potential inconsistency in the "rule",[8] and a study of online usage seems to suggest that the distinction may, in fact, be semantic rather than grammatical.[7] Likewise, it would be very unusual to hear the unidiomatic "I have seen that film at fewest ten times." [9]
The Cambridge Guide to English Usage notes that the "pressure to substitute fewer for less seems to have developed out of all proportion to the ambiguity it may provide in noun phrases like less promising results". It describes conformance with this pressure as a shibboleth and the choice "between the more formal fewer and the more spontaneous less" as a stylistic choice.[1
That was Wikipedia. Fowler is my preferred authority:-

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