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abelard
2017-10-12 11:49:33 UTC
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yet another attempt by leftists to make cult socialism respectable...
by twisting and turning...

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/haidt-weird-liberals-righteous-mind-america
"Post-liberalism, like the promised land of a post-racial politics,
does not seek to refight old battles but to move on from victories
won. Its concern is not to repeal equality laws, or reject the market
economy, but rather to consider where the social glue comes from in a
fragmented society. To that end, it acknowledges authority and the
sacred as well as suffering and injustice. It recognises the virtues
of particular loyalties—including nations—rather than viewing them as
prejudices. And it seeks to apply these ideas to the economic as well
as the social sphere.

Much of this goes against the grain of an increasingly WEIRD and
legalistic politics in Britain. The problem for the left has not so
much been “rights without responsibilities” as rights without the
relationships that help sustain them. If we are to be entangled in one
another’s lives, for example as funders or recipients of social
security, it helps to identify ourselves as part of a group. Meanwhile
the right remains attached to its own form of abstract universalism,
more concerned with the procedures of the market than what kind of
society they have helped create. Some of the notions of loyalty,
civility and respect that conservatives are so comfortable with in
politics need to be reintroduced into the economic sphere."




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gramps
2017-10-12 13:45:14 UTC
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On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 4:49:35 AM UTC-7, abelard wrote:


I can name several socialist, even communist states in which real patriotism was very evident: patriotism not for some silly racial or National Trust sentiment, but for their country's system of government.

You evince a continuing fixated terror of socialism, far greater than a mere political dislike. One day you may have to face and admit to the source of your terror.
DoD
2017-10-12 15:00:48 UTC
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yet another attempt by leftists to make cult socialism respectable...
by twisting and turning...
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/haidt-weird-liberals-righteous-mind-america
"Post-liberalism, like the promised land of a post-racial politics,
does not seek to refight old battles but to move on from victories
won. Its concern is not to repeal equality laws, or reject the market
economy, but rather to consider where the social glue comes from in a
fragmented society. To that end, it acknowledges authority and the
sacred as well as suffering and injustice. It recognises the virtues
of particular loyalties-including nations-rather than viewing them as
prejudices. And it seeks to apply these ideas to the economic as well
as the social sphere.
Much of this goes against the grain of an increasingly WEIRD and
legalistic politics in Britain. The problem for the left has not so
much been "rights without responsibilities" as rights without the
relationships that help sustain them. If we are to be entangled in one
another's lives, for example as funders or recipients of social
security, it helps to identify ourselves as part of a group. Meanwhile
the right remains attached to its own form of abstract universalism,
more concerned with the procedures of the market than what kind of
society they have helped create. Some of the notions of loyalty,
civility and respect that conservatives are so comfortable with in
politics need to be reintroduced into the economic sphere."
weird = western, educated, industrialized, rich and democratic
I find it funny that now all the sudden the left found "patriotism" when for
the last twenty
years the denigrated conservatives for patriotism...

Funny...

"Damn it... Donald Trump is tied to the red menace Soviet Union!!!! Where is
your sense of loyalty to this country... " saying this while
defending million dollar baby football players taking a knee at the
anthem... It is beyond pathetic.
Siri Cruise
2017-10-12 16:57:12 UTC
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Funny...
Like those campaign donations from China?
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Exeter!
2017-10-12 17:07:43 UTC
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campaign donations from China?
Klintoon's?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

The 1996 United States campaign finance controversy was an alleged
effort by the People's Republic of China to influence domestic American
politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also
involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself.

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/18/us/clinton-says-chinese-money-did-not-influence-us-policy.html

President Clinton said today that reported political campaign
contributions from China to the Democrats had not influenced his foreign
policy,
DoD
2017-10-12 19:43:56 UTC
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Funny...
Like those campaign donations from China?
What are you babbling about now?
Siri Cruise
2017-10-12 21:09:57 UTC
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Funny...
Like those campaign donations from China?
What are you babbling about now?
Hypocrisy becomes you.
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2017-10-12 21:13:21 UTC
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Hypocrisy becomes you.
As well as you wear it....
DoD
2017-10-12 23:22:11 UTC
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Funny...
Like those campaign donations from China?
What are you babbling about now?
Hypocrisy becomes you.
Like you pimping out hollywood?
Siri Cruise
2017-10-13 05:54:00 UTC
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Funny...
Like those campaign donations from China?
What are you babbling about now?
Hypocrisy becomes you.
Like you pimping out hollywood?
Cite.
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Exeter!
2017-10-13 14:24:28 UTC
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Hypocrisy becomes you.
Like you pimping out hollywood?
Cite.
Your Cali life, misery that it is, meth whore.
DoD
2017-10-13 18:47:52 UTC
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Funny...
Like those campaign donations from China?
What are you babbling about now?
Hypocrisy becomes you.
Like you pimping out hollywood?
Cite?
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DoD
2017-10-13 19:08:42 UTC
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Funny...
Like those campaign donations from China?
What are you babbling about now?
Hypocrisy becomes you.
Like you pimping out hollywood?
Cite.
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Sports I watch to get away from politics and the like and here we have
a bunch of freaks from Hollywood adding it to sports.
Gosh darn free market.
That is why we are free to boycott the advertisers.
And other wes are free to buy from them. Advertisers are assuming they will
gain
more customers than they lose.
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That is not the only one.. There are others where you defend hollywood, and
place that is infamous for misogyny and pedophilia, and then
you turn around and blame others... Sick bitch, clean up your own house.
Siri Cruise
2017-10-13 21:04:56 UTC
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Post by DoD
Funny...
Like those campaign donations from China?
What are you babbling about now?
Hypocrisy becomes you.
Like you pimping out hollywood?
Cite.
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Sports I watch to get away from politics and the like and here we have
a bunch of freaks from Hollywood adding it to sports.
Gosh darn free market.
That is why we are free to boycott the advertisers.
And other wes are free to buy from them. Advertisers are assuming they will
gain
more customers than they lose.
------------------------------------------------------------
That is not the only one.. There are others where you defend hollywood, and
I defend the free market which you abandon the moment you don't like the
results. Hollywood is ruthless in its free market exploitation. You don't like
the NFL? I'm not going to force you to spend money on them. I will resist any
attempt to use the government to usurp their free speech.
Post by DoD
place that is infamous for misogyny and pedophilia, and then
you turn around and blame others... Sick bitch, clean up your own house.
You don't have to spend on money on Hollywood either. And you don't get to
control what others legally spend their money on.

I do know your hypocrisy over enforcing campaign laws. You call Democrat
violations the works of Shaitan violating the soul and body of America, and you
call Republican violations mere trifles, unintended and ignorable.
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2017-10-13 21:20:06 UTC
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I defend the free market which you abandon
Bullshit lie - you fucking amoral meth whore!

DROP DEAD!
DoD
2017-10-14 03:52:28 UTC
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Funny...
Like those campaign donations from China?
What are you babbling about now?
Hypocrisy becomes you.
Like you pimping out hollywood?
Cite.
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Post by Siri Cruise
Sports I watch to get away from politics and the like and here we have
a bunch of freaks from Hollywood adding it to sports.
Gosh darn free market.
That is why we are free to boycott the advertisers.
And other wes are free to buy from them. Advertisers are assuming they will
gain
more customers than they lose.
------------------------------------------------------------
That is not the only one.. There are others where you defend hollywood, and
I defend the free market which you abandon the moment you don't like the
results. Hollywood is ruthless in its free market exploitation. You don't like
the NFL? I'm not going to force you to spend money on them. I will resist any
attempt to use the government to usurp their free speech.
Post by DoD
place that is infamous for misogyny and pedophilia, and then
you turn around and blame others... Sick bitch, clean up your own house.
You don't have to spend on money on Hollywood either. And you don't get to
control what others legally spend their money on.
I do know your hypocrisy over enforcing campaign laws. You call Democrat
violations the works of Shaitan violating the soul and body of America, and you
call Republican violations mere trifles, unintended and ignorable.
When did I call for government enforcing whatever you have going through
your feeble brain?
Or any conservative here doing the same?

I have always said, I will not and or do not watch... for myself....
shittyweird could put out a movie
about a chick getting an abortion while getting anal...... (which at some
point they probably will)
That is their business and I don't think the government should get
involved.. I am calling YOU out
on your hypocrisy of talking shit about Trumps comments, while supporting
fuckheads like wheinstein
and his 24x7 casting couch.... You feminazis are full of shit.... You were
when you claim to defend women
from abuse, unless it is conservative women and you are full of shit with
hollywood and your liberalism
in general.....
Siri Cruise
2017-10-14 08:28:24 UTC
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I do know your hypocrisy over enforcing campaign laws. You call Democrat
violations the works of Shaitan violating the soul and body of America, and you
call Republican violations mere trifles, unintended and ignorable.
When did I call for government enforcing whatever you have going through
your feeble brain?
Or any conservative here doing the same?
There's a killer on the road.
His brain is squirming like toad.
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involved.. I am calling YOU out
on your hypocrisy of talking shit about Trumps comments, while supporting
fuckheads like wheinstein
Actually I don't say anything about Weinstein because I don't know any of the
details. You're also not going to find me talking about your Donald and Saviour
before 2016 because he was private citizen whose business was on the other side
of the country. He was a source of occasional amusement but of no consequence.

He has since chosen to make himself a public employee, and it's expected for
your bosses to comment on your job performance. I can also comment on most of
his children because they have chosen to inject themselves into the government.
You don't hear much about his other two children or his wife because they stay
out of the governance.
Post by DoD
and his 24x7 casting couch.... You feminazis are full of shit.... You were
when you claim to defend women
from abuse, unless it is conservative women and you are full of shit with
hollywood and your liberalism
in general.....
Hollywood and West Valley are the free market and the 'American Dream' of
capitalism, freedom, and power wrought full measure. They have a lot in common
with Drumpf and New York real estate and stockbrokers.

In this world you are not even a loser. You're a nothing. You think making your
Donald and Saviour into a god will enrich you second hand. Ha-ha. You wanted
Donald. You got him. Now choke on him.
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2017-10-14 10:41:05 UTC
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I do know your hypocrisy over enforcing campaign laws. You call Democrat
violations the works of Shaitan violating the soul and body of America, and you
call Republican violations mere trifles, unintended and ignorable.
When did I call for government enforcing whatever you have going through
your feeble brain?
Or any conservative here doing the same?
There's a killer on the road.
His brain is squirming like toad.
Post by DoD
involved.. I am calling YOU out
on your hypocrisy of talking shit about Trumps comments, while supporting
fuckheads like wheinstein
Actually I don't say anything about Weinstein because I don't know any of the
details. You're also not going to find me talking about your Donald and Saviour
before 2016 because he was private citizen whose business was on the other side
of the country. He was a source of occasional amusement but of no consequence.
He has since chosen to make himself a public employee, and it's expected for
your bosses to comment on your job performance. I can also comment on most of
his children because they have chosen to inject themselves into the government.
You don't hear much about his other two children or his wife because they stay
out of the governance.
Post by DoD
and his 24x7 casting couch.... You feminazis are full of shit.... You were
when you claim to defend women
from abuse, unless it is conservative women and you are full of shit with
hollywood and your liberalism
in general.....
Hollywood and West Valley are the free market and the 'American Dream' of
capitalism, freedom, and power wrought full measure. They have a lot in common
with Drumpf and New York real estate and stockbrokers.
In this world you are not even a loser. You're a nothing. You think making your
Donald and Saviour into a god will enrich you second hand. Ha-ha. You wanted
Donald. You got him. Now choke on him.
I think I am going to let this stand... Anyone who reads this and sees it
for what it
is sees she is full of shit...
DoD
2017-10-14 10:44:24 UTC
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I do know your hypocrisy over enforcing campaign laws. You call Democrat
violations the works of Shaitan violating the soul and body of
America,
and you
call Republican violations mere trifles, unintended and ignorable.
When did I call for government enforcing whatever you have going through
your feeble brain?
Or any conservative here doing the same?
There's a killer on the road.
His brain is squirming like toad.
Post by DoD
involved.. I am calling YOU out
on your hypocrisy of talking shit about Trumps comments, while supporting
fuckheads like wheinstein
Actually I don't say anything about Weinstein because I don't know any of the
details. You're also not going to find me talking about your Donald and Saviour
before 2016 because he was private citizen whose business was on the other side
of the country. He was a source of occasional amusement but of no consequence.
He has since chosen to make himself a public employee, and it's expected for
your bosses to comment on your job performance. I can also comment on most of
his children because they have chosen to inject themselves into the government.
You don't hear much about his other two children or his wife because they stay
out of the governance.
Post by DoD
and his 24x7 casting couch.... You feminazis are full of shit.... You were
when you claim to defend women
from abuse, unless it is conservative women and you are full of shit with
hollywood and your liberalism
in general.....
Hollywood and West Valley are the free market and the 'American Dream' of
capitalism, freedom, and power wrought full measure. They have a lot in common
with Drumpf and New York real estate and stockbrokers.
In this world you are not even a loser. You're a nothing. You think making your
Donald and Saviour into a god will enrich you second hand. Ha-ha. You wanted
Donald. You got him. Now choke on him.
I think I am going to let this stand... Anyone who reads this and sees it
for what it
is sees she is full of shit...
Which is pretty much on par for Siri.. She is pretty stupid and cant argue
her way
out of a wet paper bag... but what eves.....
Siri Cruise
2017-10-14 11:50:44 UTC
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I think I am going to let this stand... Anyone who reads this and sees it
for what it
is sees she is full of shit...
Which is pretty much on par for Siri.. She is pretty stupid and cant argue
her way
out of a wet paper bag... but what eves.....
Ha-ha.
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2017-10-14 15:21:06 UTC
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Which is pretty much on par for Siri.. She is pretty stupid and cant argue
her way
out of a wet paper bag... but what eves.....
Ha-ha.
Go do some more meth, trailer trash.

Exeter!
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Actually I don't say anything about Weinstein because I don't know any of the
details.
CUNT!

GODDAMNED TRAITOR TO ALL WOMEN EVERYWHERE!
abelard
2017-10-12 18:32:59 UTC
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yet another attempt by leftists to make cult socialism respectable...
by twisting and turning...
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/haidt-weird-liberals-righteous-mind-america
"Post-liberalism, like the promised land of a post-racial politics,
does not seek to refight old battles but to move on from victories
won. Its concern is not to repeal equality laws, or reject the market
economy, but rather to consider where the social glue comes from in a
fragmented society. To that end, it acknowledges authority and the
sacred as well as suffering and injustice. It recognises the virtues
of particular loyalties-including nations-rather than viewing them as
prejudices. And it seeks to apply these ideas to the economic as well
as the social sphere.
Much of this goes against the grain of an increasingly WEIRD and
legalistic politics in Britain. The problem for the left has not so
much been "rights without responsibilities" as rights without the
relationships that help sustain them. If we are to be entangled in one
another's lives, for example as funders or recipients of social
security, it helps to identify ourselves as part of a group. Meanwhile
the right remains attached to its own form of abstract universalism,
more concerned with the procedures of the market than what kind of
society they have helped create. Some of the notions of loyalty,
civility and respect that conservatives are so comfortable with in
politics need to be reintroduced into the economic sphere."
weird = western, educated, industrialized, rich and democratic
I find it funny that now all the sudden the left found "patriotism" when for
the last twenty
years the denigrated conservatives for patriotism...
Funny...
"Damn it... Donald Trump is tied to the red menace Soviet Union!!!! Where is
your sense of loyalty to this country... " saying this while
defending million dollar baby football players taking a knee at the
anthem... It is beyond pathetic.
stalin was for socialism in one country...

some practitioners call it national socialism
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DoD
2017-10-12 19:48:34 UTC
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yet another attempt by leftists to make cult socialism respectable...
by twisting and turning...
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/haidt-weird-liberals-righteous-mind-america
"Post-liberalism, like the promised land of a post-racial politics,
does not seek to refight old battles but to move on from victories
won. Its concern is not to repeal equality laws, or reject the market
economy, but rather to consider where the social glue comes from in a
fragmented society. To that end, it acknowledges authority and the
sacred as well as suffering and injustice. It recognises the virtues
of particular loyalties-including nations-rather than viewing them as
prejudices. And it seeks to apply these ideas to the economic as well
as the social sphere.
Much of this goes against the grain of an increasingly WEIRD and
legalistic politics in Britain. The problem for the left has not so
much been "rights without responsibilities" as rights without the
relationships that help sustain them. If we are to be entangled in one
another's lives, for example as funders or recipients of social
security, it helps to identify ourselves as part of a group. Meanwhile
the right remains attached to its own form of abstract universalism,
more concerned with the procedures of the market than what kind of
society they have helped create. Some of the notions of loyalty,
civility and respect that conservatives are so comfortable with in
politics need to be reintroduced into the economic sphere."
weird = western, educated, industrialized, rich and democratic
I find it funny that now all the sudden the left found "patriotism" when for
the last twenty
years the denigrated conservatives for patriotism...
Funny...
"Damn it... Donald Trump is tied to the red menace Soviet Union!!!! Where is
your sense of loyalty to this country... " saying this while
defending million dollar baby football players taking a knee at the
anthem... It is beyond pathetic.
stalin was for socialism in one country...
some practitioners call it national socialism
I don't get why some people are fascinated by it.... I guess they don't
call them red diaper babies fer nuthin...



Kid needs to quit thinking about politics and start riding his bike...
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2017-10-12 20:13:26 UTC
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yet another attempt by leftists to make cult socialism respectable...
by twisting and turning...
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/haidt-weird-liberals-righteous-mind-america
"Post-liberalism, like the promised land of a post-racial politics,
does not seek to refight old battles but to move on from victories
won. Its concern is not to repeal equality laws, or reject the market
economy, but rather to consider where the social glue comes from in a
fragmented society. .... "
Snowflake "liberalism" has nothing to do with actual liberalism
but is instead a scheme to get something for nothing using the
slogans and sure-nuf truths of 60s leftism as the gun to hold
to everyones head.

Unfortunately their kind of world WON'T WORK ... especially
today. In the early 60s the USA was flush with cash, still riding
the post-WW2 boom. We had plenty - and could at least kind
of get away with a partial welfare state, a sort of echo of what
the europeans were doing. But NOW ... we're in debt up to
our great-great-great-grandkids eyebrows. The 'spare cash'
is long long gone. Every try at "equalizing" wealth/priviledge
(a lefty assumption those things are important) is now a huge
drag on our (borrowed) resources.

But that doesn't keep slackers from TRYING to get something
for nothing. Having minimal obligations they can devote a huge
chunk of their time to promoting the faux-communist cause.
I don't think they'd like real communism ... that'd leave them
(and everyone) as dirt broke and perk-free as the lowliest
crackhead is today. No more iPhones, no more Siri, no
more big-screens, or heat, or much in the way of FOOD
either ..... and if you complain you get thrown into the
dungeon or simply put up against the wall because the
now-almighty State doesn't wanna listen to your BS ..........
kimberly
2017-10-12 23:51:10 UTC
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yet another attempt by leftists to make cult socialism
respectable...
by twisting and tur
leftists like you have always been hunted because you are feeble old
pedophiles sucking from the government teat

only a matter of time before trump authorizes us to hunt you down on
your own soil
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