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Juncker speech: EU expansion, compulsory Euro, EU army, end of vetoes, single European president
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James Harris
2017-09-13 09:39:34 UTC
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Juncker speech: EU expansion, compulsory Euro, EU army, end of vetoes,
single European president.
https://order-order.com/2017/09/13/juncker-eu-will-expand-and-have-its-own-army/

Now, Remoaners and EU enthusiasts, justify that lot.

#DodgedTheBullet
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2017-09-13 10:35:09 UTC
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Juncker speech: EU expansion, compulsory Euro, EU army, end of vetoes,
single European president.
https://order-order.com/2017/09/13/juncker-eu-will-expand-and-have-its-own-army/
Now, Remoaners and EU enthusiasts, justify that lot.
All good news.

That speech will go down a storm in Poland.

What odds on Marine le Pen at the next French GE?
True Blue
2017-09-13 10:36:00 UTC
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Juncker speech: EU expansion, compulsory Euro, EU army, end of vetoes,
single European president.
https://order-order.com/2017/09/13/juncker-eu-will-expand-and-have-its-own-army/
Now, Remoaners and EU enthusiasts, justify that lot.
#DodgedTheBullet
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All good news.

That speech will go down a storm in Poland.

What odds on Marine le Pen at the next French GE?
m***@btopenworld.com
2017-09-13 10:46:00 UTC
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Juncker speech: EU expansion, compulsory Euro, EU army, end of vetoes,
single European president.
https://order-order.com/2017/09/13/juncker-eu-will-expand-and-have-its-own-army/
Now, Remoaners and EU enthusiasts, justify that lot.
Well it's all tied up in the Treaty of Rome isn't it?

What do folks think " Ever closer union" means

The USoE is just round the corner but unlike the USoA which it seeks to emulate it will not be the greatest democracy on earth. Quite the contrary!
James Harris
2017-09-13 19:19:40 UTC
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Juncker speech: EU expansion, compulsory Euro, EU army, end of vetoes,
single European president.
https://order-order.com/2017/09/13/juncker-eu-will-expand-and-have-its-own-army/
Now, Remoaners and EU enthusiasts, justify that lot.
#DodgedTheBullet
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EU expansion - still a few countries not in and off course one basket case
leaving.
compulsory Euro - not compulsory, but more encouragement to join.
EU army - a bit like UN peace keepers.
end of vetoes - one of the leave moans was that nothing could decided as
27/27 agreement was required.
not true
most things are decided by qualified majority voting
very little can be vetoed by a single country
Hopefully this would put more decisions in the European parliament.
how is that a good thing, given that there is very little similarity between
parties across countries
Nigel Farage tonight made some intriguing points about Juncker's speech,
including that Juncker wants the EU to fund pro-EU parties and start to
freeze-out others. The EU continues to want to take more and more power
to itself and away from the peoples of the continent.
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Ophelia
2017-09-13 20:10:43 UTC
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Juncker speech: EU expansion, compulsory Euro, EU army, end of vetoes,
single European president.
https://order-order.com/2017/09/13/juncker-eu-will-expand-and-have-its-own-army/
Now, Remoaners and EU enthusiasts, justify that lot.
#DodgedTheBullet
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James Harris
EU expansion - still a few countries not in and off course one basket case
leaving.
compulsory Euro - not compulsory, but more encouragement to join.
EU army - a bit like UN peace keepers.
end of vetoes - one of the leave moans was that nothing could decided as
27/27 agreement was required.
not true
most things are decided by qualified majority voting
very little can be vetoed by a single country
Hopefully this would put more decisions in the European parliament.
how is that a good thing, given that there is very little similarity between
parties across countries
Nigel Farage tonight made some intriguing points about Juncker's speech,
including that Juncker wants the EU to fund pro-EU parties and start to
freeze-out others. The EU continues to want to take more and more power
to itself and away from the peoples of the continent.

James Harris

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Yes! They don't want countries to argue against their orders! Look where
they are now with Hungary! First they refuse to take immigrants, they then
refused to be fined ...

LOL what else could Merkel do but threaten to throw they out!!! That isn't
quite in the plan:)))
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Yellow
2017-09-13 22:03:32 UTC
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Post by James Harris
Juncker speech: EU expansion, compulsory Euro, EU army, end of vetoes,
single European president.
https://order-order.com/2017/09/13/juncker-eu-will-expand-and-have-its-own-army/
Now, Remoaners and EU enthusiasts, justify that lot.
#DodgedTheBullet
And he wants Ireland in the Schengen area too.
tim...
2017-09-14 09:02:42 UTC
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Post by James Harris
Juncker speech: EU expansion, compulsory Euro, EU army, end of vetoes,
single European president.
https://order-order.com/2017/09/13/juncker-eu-will-expand-and-have-its-own-army/
Now, Remoaners and EU enthusiasts, justify that lot.
#DodgedTheBullet
And he wants Ireland in the Schengen area too.
and how's he going to achieve that without a hard NI border?

tim
Yellow
2017-09-14 11:49:27 UTC
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Post by James Harris
Juncker speech: EU expansion, compulsory Euro, EU army, end of vetoes,
single European president.
https://order-order.com/2017/09/13/juncker-eu-will-expand-and-have-its-own-army/
Now, Remoaners and EU enthusiasts, justify that lot.
#DodgedTheBullet
And he wants Ireland in the Schengen area too.
and how's he going to achieve that without a hard NI border?
Which is why it was an odd thing to include in a speech at this time,
don't you think?
Ian Jackson
2017-09-14 20:02:23 UTC
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Post by James Harris
Juncker speech: EU expansion, compulsory Euro, EU army, end of vetoes,
single European president.
https://order-order.com/2017/09/13/juncker-eu-will-expand-and-have-its
-own-army/
Now, Remoaners and EU enthusiasts, justify that lot.
#DodgedTheBullet
And he wants Ireland in the Schengen area too.
and how's he going to achieve that without a hard NI border?
tim
Surely any idea of a soft border / no border is simply pie-in-the-sky?
Would / could the EU tolerate it?

Regardless of what the UK government wants, I have a feeling that the
RoI could well be forced by the EU to choose between setting up a hard
border and remaining in the EU, or leaving the EU.

The alternative is, of course, for NI to have a hard border with the
remainder of the UK, and join the EU as a separate entity - with the
slim possibly of it even eventually uniting with the RoI.
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tim...
2017-09-15 07:26:28 UTC
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Post by James Harris
Juncker speech: EU expansion, compulsory Euro, EU army, end of vetoes,
single European president.
https://order-order.com/2017/09/13/juncker-eu-will-expand-and-have-its
-own-army/
Now, Remoaners and EU enthusiasts, justify that lot.
#DodgedTheBullet
And he wants Ireland in the Schengen area too.
and how's he going to achieve that without a hard NI border?
tim
Surely any idea of a soft border / no border is simply pie-in-the-sky?
Would / could the EU tolerate it?
The thing is the Irish want this as well

which is why it is so wrong for the EU to tell us that it's *our* problem to
be solved.

There is precedent for this

There is a soft border between Norway and Sweden, where import and export of
goods is policed on an "honesty" basis with spot checks and huge penalties
for non compliance.

All it needs is the will
Regardless of what the UK government wants, I have a feeling that the RoI
could well be forced by the EU to choose between setting up a hard border
and remaining in the EU, or leaving the EU.
The alternative is, of course, for NI to have a hard border with the
remainder of the UK, and join the EU as a separate entity
I suspect that would be a reasonable political solution

I doubt that it works economically
- with the slim possibly of it even eventually uniting with the RoI.
and now the politics fails

tim
James Harris
2017-09-15 08:01:12 UTC
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Post by James Harris
Juncker speech: EU expansion, compulsory Euro, EU army, end of vetoes,
single European president.
https://order-order.com/2017/09/13/juncker-eu-will-expand-and-have-its
-own-army/
Now, Remoaners and EU enthusiasts, justify that lot.
#DodgedTheBullet
And he wants Ireland in the Schengen area too.
and how's he going to achieve that without a hard NI border?
tim
Surely any idea of a soft border / no border is simply pie-in-the-sky?
Would / could the EU tolerate it?
The thing is the Irish want this as well
which is why it is so wrong for the EU to tell us that it's *our* problem to
be solved.
I thought it was a joke as reported on the news. First, the EU wants,
allegedly, to solve the problem of the Irish border. (Note the ones
negotiating over the Irish border are the EU; the Irish themselves are
secondary. They have to make representations through the EU. And, worse,
they have to come to a view that is a composite of all 27. Ireland has
lost sovereignty just as we have/had.) Second, "no one", including the
EU, wants a hard border. Third, the British government comes up with a
plan which would keep the border invisible as at present. Fourth, the EU
finds that unacceptable as the EU "must" have hard borders. And fifth,
the EU has no alternative proposals but says it's a problem for the UK
to solve.

All the EU has done on this is insert sticks in the wheels and say that
removing the sticks is someone else's problem.

Part of the cause of problem is the way the EU decided to "negotiate": a
haughty committee laid down impractical directives to an underling who
thereby has his hands tied and cannot negotiate properly.

Roll on Brexit day. Freedom will, by contrast, be so sweet!
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James Harris
Yellow
2017-09-15 14:53:04 UTC
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Post by James Harris
Juncker speech: EU expansion, compulsory Euro, EU army, end of vetoes,
single European president.
https://order-order.com/2017/09/13/juncker-eu-will-expand-and-have-its
-own-army/
Now, Remoaners and EU enthusiasts, justify that lot.
#DodgedTheBullet
And he wants Ireland in the Schengen area too.
and how's he going to achieve that without a hard NI border?
tim
Surely any idea of a soft border / no border is simply pie-in-the-sky?
Would / could the EU tolerate it?
The thing is the Irish want this as well
which is why it is so wrong for the EU to tell us that it's *our* problem to
be solved.
I thought it was a joke as reported on the news. First, the EU wants,
allegedly, to solve the problem of the Irish border. (Note the ones
negotiating over the Irish border are the EU; the Irish themselves are
secondary. They have to make representations through the EU. And, worse,
they have to come to a view that is a composite of all 27. Ireland has
lost sovereignty just as we have/had.) Second, "no one", including the
EU, wants a hard border. Third, the British government comes up with a
plan which would keep the border invisible as at present. Fourth, the EU
finds that unacceptable as the EU "must" have hard borders. And fifth,
the EU has no alternative proposals but says it's a problem for the UK
to solve.
All the EU has done on this is insert sticks in the wheels and say that
removing the sticks is someone else's problem.
Part of the cause of problem is the way the EU decided to "negotiate": a
haughty committee laid down impractical directives to an underling who
thereby has his hands tied and cannot negotiate properly.
Roll on Brexit day. Freedom will, by contrast, be so sweet!
29 March 2107, Party poppers on standby. :-)

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