Immigration has been good for Britain. It’s time to bust the myths

[Tim]

Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity

Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow
freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister
accepting that would be strung up by the press for treachery.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

[saracene]

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow
freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister
accepting that would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity
--

The unmentionable truth is that the immigration most would like to cut is coloured immigration, mostly from the third world. Whether or not this is desirable depends on your values, whether for example you are happy with the idea of a coffee coloured future for this country. Such thoughts are forbidden, however, by contemporary morality. If you don't want that furture are going the hell in a handcart.

[Incubus]

Post by saracene

Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals and
schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow freedom
of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting that
would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity
--

The unmentionable truth is that the immigration most would like to cut is
coloured immigration, mostly from the third world. Whether or not this is
desirable depends on your values, whether for example you are happy with the
idea of a coffee coloured future for this country. Such thoughts are
forbidden, however, by contemporary morality. If you don't want that furture
are going the hell in a handcart.

Ingsoc won't tolerate any opinion that deviates from what is correct, all in
the name of tolerance and diversity.

[saracene]

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow
freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister
accepting that would be strung up by the press for treachery.

The unmentionable truth is that the immigration most would like to cut is coloured immigration, mostly from the third world. Whether or not this is desirable depends on your values, whether for example you are happy with the idea of a coffee coloured future for this country. Such thoughts are forbidden, however, by contemporary morality. If you don't want that future we are going to hell in a handcart. Telling people who think like that they are wrong and must accept that the future is good, is like forcing them to eat shit.

[True Blue]

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity

The same bald assertions that the Guardian can never substantiate. Every time.

[Incubus]

Post by True Blue

Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals and
schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity

The same bald assertions that the Guardian can never substantiate. Every time.

If you look at the problems with the NHS, they certainly didn't start with
austerity.

Not a lot of people are aware that under New Labour, buildings owned by the NHS
were sold to management agencies on the basis that the upkeep was too
expensive. It shouldn't require an IQ of 160 to work out that the NHS is now
leasing buildings from management agenies whose fees not only include the
upkeep but also a profit on their 'services'. It was a cynical cash grab by
Blair that has further encumbered the NHS for generations to come.

Labour truly are the nasty party and the Guardian is its mouthpiece.

[abelard]

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them.

they do both

Post by Tim
Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity

they increase the usage/crowding of current hospitals unless
expanded
which may or may not balance over time as other decisions
and actions vary

Post by Tim
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow
freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister
accepting that would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

the groaniad is about as useful as a reliable information
source as watchtower

[Dan S. MacAbre]

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow
freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister
accepting that would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

Who on God's Earth is Aditya Chakrabortty, and why should we pay any
particular attention to his opinion?

[Byker]

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow
freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister
accepting that would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

Who on God's Earth is Aditya Chakrabortty

A curry-muncher hired to fill a quota.

Post by Dan S. MacAbre
and why should we pay any particular attention to his opinion?

https://tinyurl.com/ycrt7j5x

He's a history major, not an economist:

https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/economics/todays-prize-for-economic-illiteracy-goes-to-aditya-chakrabortty

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/12/the-guardians-chakrabortty-is-outraged-at-where-the-twitter-ipo-money-went/

[Dan S. MacAbre]

Post by Byker

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing
hospitals and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage
is caused by austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth,
however ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic
and punishing Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why
people voted to leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s
what makes a Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost
certainly allow freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any
prime minister accepting that would be strung up by the press for
treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

Who on God's Earth is Aditya Chakrabortty

A curry-muncher hired to fill a quota.

To tell the truth, I don't mind a bit of curry. In fact my own recipe
is the only one our own little lad will eat :-)

Post by Byker

Post by Dan S. MacAbre
and why should we pay any particular attention to his opinion?

https://tinyurl.com/ycrt7j5x

No doubt has a lop-sided view of history, too. But TBH, even if he were
an actual economist, I don't think I'd have been any more impressed -
you can always find one that you can use to make just about any
political point you want them to.

Post by Byker
https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/economics/todays-prize-for-economic-illiteracy-goes-to-aditya-chakrabortty
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/12/the-guardians-chakrabortty-is-outraged-at-where-the-twitter-ipo-money-went/

[johnny-knowall]

Post by Byker

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing
hospitals and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage
is caused by austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth,
however ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic
and punishing Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why
people voted to leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s
what makes a Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost
certainly allow freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any
prime minister accepting that would be strung up by the press for
treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for
-britain-bust-myths-austerity

Who on God's Earth is Aditya Chakrabortty

A curry-muncher hired to fill a quota.

To tell the truth, I don't mind a bit of curry. In fact my own recipe
is the only one our own little lad will eat :-)

I enjoy making curries. They don’t have to be red-hot to be tasty.

My grandchildren (4 years, and 18 months) eat my home made chicken korma like
there is no tomorrow.

My wife cooks a vegetarian (quorn mince) shepherds pie for them and they give
up after a few mouthfuls.

I don’t know what it is about mild curries, but they are a hit with our
family.

Post by Byker

Post by Dan S. MacAbre
and why should we pay any particular attention to his opinion?

https://tinyurl.com/ycrt7j5x

No doubt has a lop-sided view of history, too. But TBH, even if he were
an actual economist, I don't think I'd have been any more impressed -
you can always find one that you can use to make just about any
political point you want them to.

Post by Byker
https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/economics/todays-prize-for-economic-illiterac
y-goes-to-aditya-chakrabortty
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/12/the-guardians-chakrabort
ty-is-outraged-at-where-the-twitter-ipo-money-went/

[abelard]

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by Byker

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing
hospitals and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage
is caused by austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth,
however ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic
and punishing Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why
people voted to leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s
what makes a Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost
certainly allow freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any
prime minister accepting that would be strung up by the press for
treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

Who on God's Earth is Aditya Chakrabortty

A curry-muncher hired to fill a quota.

To tell the truth, I don't mind a bit of curry. In fact my own recipe
is the only one our own little lad will eat :-)

Post by Byker

Post by Dan S. MacAbre
and why should we pay any particular attention to his opinion?

https://tinyurl.com/ycrt7j5x

No doubt has a lop-sided view of history, too. But TBH, even if he were
an actual economist, I don't think I'd have been any more impressed -
you can always find one that you can use to make just about any
political point you want them to.

Post by Byker
https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/economics/todays-prize-for-economic-illiteracy-goes-to-aditya-chakrabortty
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/12/the-guardians-chakrabortty-is-outraged-at-where-the-twitter-ipo-money-went/

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"

“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a frustrated
harry truman

[Joe]

On Thu, 17 May 2018 23:08:08 +0200

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"
“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a frustrated
harry truman

Economists exist to make astrologers look accurate.

[Farmer Giles]

Post by Joe
On Thu, 17 May 2018 23:08:08 +0200

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"
“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a frustrated
harry truman

Economists exist to make astrologers look accurate.

"The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look
respectable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

[saracene]

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe
On Thu, 17 May 2018 23:08:08 +0200

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"
“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a frustrated
harry truman

Economists exist to make astrologers look accurate.

"The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look
respectable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Dakins wants to ban astrology. Could economics be next?

[Farmer Giles]

Post by saracene

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe
On Thu, 17 May 2018 23:08:08 +0200

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"
“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a frustrated
harry truman

Economists exist to make astrologers look accurate.

"The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look
respectable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Dakins wants to ban astrology. Could economics be next?

Not a bad idea, both are equally bogus - that's why clowns like
Babbelard latch themselves onto one of them. But did you mean Dawkins?

[johnny-knowall]

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by saracene

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe
On Thu, 17 May 2018 23:08:08 +0200

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"
“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a frustrated
harry truman

Economists exist to make astrologers look accurate.

"The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look
respectable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Dakins wants to ban astrology. Could economics be next?

Not a bad idea, both are equally bogus

Try telling that to my wife, and coming back alive...

Post by Farmer Giles
- that's why clowns like
Babbelard latch themselves onto one of them. But did you mean Dawkins?

[Ophelia]

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by saracene

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe
On Thu, 17 May 2018 23:08:08 +0200

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"
“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a frustrated
harry truman

Economists exist to make astrologers look accurate.

"The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look
respectable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Dakins wants to ban astrology. Could economics be next?

Not a bad idea, both are equally bogus

Try telling that to my wife, and coming back alive...

==

I love a man who respects his wife .. <g>

[johnny-knowall]

Post by johnny-knowall

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by saracene

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe
On Thu, 17 May 2018 23:08:08 +0200

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"
“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a
frustrated
harry truman

Economists exist to make astrologers look accurate.

"The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look
respectable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Dakins wants to ban astrology. Could economics be next?

Not a bad idea, both are equally bogus

Try telling that to my wife, and coming back alive...
==
I love a man who respects his wife .. <g>

She is somewhat obsessed by astrology; and to be fair I did send off secretly
for a full astrological breakdown of a person with my birthdate and time,
using a false name - and the report I received was so uncannily correct about
my personality I began to think I had a stalker.

However, I am still fence sitting between science and mumbo-jumbo.

[Dan S. MacAbre]

Post by johnny-knowall

Post by johnny-knowall

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by saracene

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe
On Thu, 17 May 2018 23:08:08 +0200

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"
“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a frustrated
harry truman

Economists exist to make astrologers look accurate.

"The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look
respectable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Dakins wants to ban astrology. Could economics be next?

Not a bad idea, both are equally bogus

Try telling that to my wife, and coming back alive...
==
I love a man who respects his wife .. <g>

She is somewhat obsessed by astrology; and to be fair I did send off secretly
for a full astrological breakdown of a person with my birthdate and time,
using a false name - and the report I received was so uncannily correct about
my personality I began to think I had a stalker.
However, I am still fence sitting between science and mumbo-jumbo.

A girlfriend of mine decades ago had a mother who was interested in
astrology, and an old book she had was lying around, so I had a quick
read of what my own type was supposed to be like. I was surprised how
accurate it was, even down to the shape of my fingernails (I am Cancer,
and our fingernails are meant to be crab-body-shaped, which mine are).
The personality (basically insecure and introverted, especially when I
was young) was spot-on.

So, I can certainly imagine that the time of year you are born (WRT
prevailing atmospheric conditions) can have a physical effect on your
development. The day-to-day Mystic Meg stuff, has never (at least to
me) seemed even slightly reliable.

[Incubus]

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

On 18 May 2018, Ophelia wrote (in article

On 18 May 2018, Farmer Giles wrote (in

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by saracene

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"
“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a frustrated
harry truman

Economists exist to make astrologers look accurate.

"The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look
respectable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Dakins wants to ban astrology. Could economics be next?

Not a bad idea, both are equally bogus

Try telling that to my wife, and coming back alive...
==
I love a man who respects his wife .. <g>

She is somewhat obsessed by astrology; and to be fair I did send off
secretly for a full astrological breakdown of a person with my birthdate and
time, using a false name - and the report I received was so uncannily
correct about my personality I began to think I had a stalker.
However, I am still fence sitting between science and mumbo-jumbo.

A girlfriend of mine decades ago had a mother who was interested in
astrology, and an old book she had was lying around, so I had a quick read of
what my own type was supposed to be like. I was surprised how accurate it
was, even down to the shape of my fingernails (I am Cancer, and our
fingernails are meant to be crab-body-shaped, which mine are). The
personality (basically insecure and introverted, especially when I was young)
was spot-on.
So, I can certainly imagine that the time of year you are born (WRT
prevailing atmospheric conditions) can have a physical effect on your
development. The day-to-day Mystic Meg stuff, has never (at least to me)
seemed even slightly reliable.

Mystic Meg is a television personality. The style of Astrology she espouses is
what I disparagingly refer to as 'Sun Sign Astrology'. Genuine Astrology uses
a natal chart to plot the Ascendant, Midheaven, planetary signs and houses etc.
For those interested in predictive astrology, there are different techniques.

[Dan S. MacAbre]

Post by Incubus

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

On 18 May 2018, Ophelia wrote (in article

On 18 May 2018, Farmer Giles wrote (in

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by saracene

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"
“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a frustrated
harry truman

Economists exist to make astrologers look accurate.

"The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look
respectable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Dakins wants to ban astrology. Could economics be next?

Not a bad idea, both are equally bogus

Try telling that to my wife, and coming back alive...
==
I love a man who respects his wife .. <g>

She is somewhat obsessed by astrology; and to be fair I did send off
secretly for a full astrological breakdown of a person with my birthdate and
time, using a false name - and the report I received was so uncannily
correct about my personality I began to think I had a stalker.
However, I am still fence sitting between science and mumbo-jumbo.

A girlfriend of mine decades ago had a mother who was interested in
astrology, and an old book she had was lying around, so I had a quick read of
what my own type was supposed to be like. I was surprised how accurate it
was, even down to the shape of my fingernails (I am Cancer, and our
fingernails are meant to be crab-body-shaped, which mine are). The
personality (basically insecure and introverted, especially when I was young)
was spot-on.
So, I can certainly imagine that the time of year you are born (WRT
prevailing atmospheric conditions) can have a physical effect on your
development. The day-to-day Mystic Meg stuff, has never (at least to me)
seemed even slightly reliable.

Mystic Meg is a television personality. The style of Astrology she espouses is
what I disparagingly refer to as 'Sun Sign Astrology'. Genuine Astrology uses
a natal chart to plot the Ascendant, Midheaven, planetary signs and houses etc.
For those interested in predictive astrology, there are different techniques.

I'm aware that she is probably at the less respectable end of the
reputational spectrum :-) But do you use astrology regularly, and find
that it give you reliable results? Or do you prefer a life with some
surprises? You suggest that astrology is accurate, but to what extent
is it precise?

[Incubus]

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by Incubus

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

On 18 May 2018, Ophelia wrote (in article

On 18 May 2018, Farmer Giles wrote (in

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by saracene

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"
“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a frustrated
harry truman

Economists exist to make astrologers look accurate.

"The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look
respectable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Dakins wants to ban astrology. Could economics be next?

Not a bad idea, both are equally bogus

Try telling that to my wife, and coming back alive...
==
I love a man who respects his wife .. <g>

She is somewhat obsessed by astrology; and to be fair I did send off
secretly for a full astrological breakdown of a person with my birthdate
and time, using a false name - and the report I received was so uncannily
correct about my personality I began to think I had a stalker.
However, I am still fence sitting between science and mumbo-jumbo.

A girlfriend of mine decades ago had a mother who was interested in
astrology, and an old book she had was lying around, so I had a quick read
of what my own type was supposed to be like. I was surprised how accurate
it was, even down to the shape of my fingernails (I am Cancer, and our
fingernails are meant to be crab-body-shaped, which mine are). The
personality (basically insecure and introverted, especially when I was
young) was spot-on.
So, I can certainly imagine that the time of year you are born (WRT
prevailing atmospheric conditions) can have a physical effect on your
development. The day-to-day Mystic Meg stuff, has never (at least to me)
seemed even slightly reliable.

Mystic Meg is a television personality. The style of Astrology she espouses
is what I disparagingly refer to as 'Sun Sign Astrology'. Genuine Astrology
uses a natal chart to plot the Ascendant, Midheaven, planetary signs and
houses etc. For those interested in predictive astrology, there are
different techniques.

I'm aware that she is probably at the less respectable end of the
reputational spectrum :-) But do you use astrology regularly, and find that
it give you reliable results? Or do you prefer a life with some surprises?
You suggest that astrology is accurate, but to what extent is it precise?

It gives a detailed summary of a person's personality and the influences/types
of challenge they will face throughout life.

[Dan S. MacAbre]

Post by Incubus

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by Incubus

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

On 18 May 2018, Ophelia wrote (in article

On 18 May 2018, Farmer Giles wrote (in

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by saracene

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"
“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a frustrated
harry truman

Economists exist to make astrologers look accurate.

"The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look
respectable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Dakins wants to ban astrology. Could economics be next?

Not a bad idea, both are equally bogus

Try telling that to my wife, and coming back alive...
==
I love a man who respects his wife .. <g>

She is somewhat obsessed by astrology; and to be fair I did send off
secretly for a full astrological breakdown of a person with my birthdate
and time, using a false name - and the report I received was so uncannily
correct about my personality I began to think I had a stalker.
However, I am still fence sitting between science and mumbo-jumbo.

A girlfriend of mine decades ago had a mother who was interested in
astrology, and an old book she had was lying around, so I had a quick read
of what my own type was supposed to be like. I was surprised how accurate
it was, even down to the shape of my fingernails (I am Cancer, and our
fingernails are meant to be crab-body-shaped, which mine are). The
personality (basically insecure and introverted, especially when I was
young) was spot-on.
So, I can certainly imagine that the time of year you are born (WRT
prevailing atmospheric conditions) can have a physical effect on your
development. The day-to-day Mystic Meg stuff, has never (at least to me)
seemed even slightly reliable.

Mystic Meg is a television personality. The style of Astrology she espouses
is what I disparagingly refer to as 'Sun Sign Astrology'. Genuine Astrology
uses a natal chart to plot the Ascendant, Midheaven, planetary signs and
houses etc. For those interested in predictive astrology, there are
different techniques.

I'm aware that she is probably at the less respectable end of the
reputational spectrum :-) But do you use astrology regularly, and find that
it give you reliable results? Or do you prefer a life with some surprises?
You suggest that astrology is accurate, but to what extent is it precise?

It gives a detailed summary of a person's personality and the influences/types
of challenge they will face throughout life.

I can believe that. I can believe that one's personality can be
influenced by the time of year of birth; and that that personality can
to some extent dictate the kind of influences and challenges faced in
life. I am quite certain that being the youngest person in the class
throughout school has affected my personality. And I am sure that
school year joining times are still the result of some more primitive
season-based activities.

[Ophelia]

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by Incubus

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

On 18 May 2018, Ophelia wrote (in article

On 18 May 2018, Farmer Giles wrote (in

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by saracene

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"
“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a frustrated
harry truman

Economists exist to make astrologers look accurate.

"The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look
respectable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Dakins wants to ban astrology. Could economics be next?

Not a bad idea, both are equally bogus

Try telling that to my wife, and coming back alive...
==
I love a man who respects his wife .. <g>

She is somewhat obsessed by astrology; and to be fair I did send off
secretly for a full astrological breakdown of a person with my birthdate
and time, using a false name - and the report I received was so uncannily
correct about my personality I began to think I had a stalker.
However, I am still fence sitting between science and mumbo-jumbo.

A girlfriend of mine decades ago had a mother who was interested in
astrology, and an old book she had was lying around, so I had a quick read
of what my own type was supposed to be like. I was surprised how accurate
it was, even down to the shape of my fingernails (I am Cancer, and our
fingernails are meant to be crab-body-shaped, which mine are). The
personality (basically insecure and introverted, especially when I was
young) was spot-on.
So, I can certainly imagine that the time of year you are born (WRT
prevailing atmospheric conditions) can have a physical effect on your
development. The day-to-day Mystic Meg stuff, has never (at least to me)
seemed even slightly reliable.

Mystic Meg is a television personality. The style of Astrology she espouses
is what I disparagingly refer to as 'Sun Sign Astrology'. Genuine Astrology
uses a natal chart to plot the Ascendant, Midheaven, planetary signs and
houses etc. For those interested in predictive astrology, there are
different techniques.

I'm aware that she is probably at the less respectable end of the
reputational spectrum :-) But do you use astrology regularly, and find that
it give you reliable results? Or do you prefer a life with some surprises?
You suggest that astrology is accurate, but to what extent is it precise?

It gives a detailed summary of a person's personality and the
influences/types
of challenge they will face throughout life.

==

I reckon at my time of life I already know what challenges I have faced/have
to face already!

[johnny-knowall]

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

On 18 May 2018, Ophelia wrote (in article

On 18 May 2018, Farmer Giles wrote (in

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by saracene

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"
“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a
frustrated
harry truman

Economists exist to make astrologers look accurate.

"The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look
respectable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Dakins wants to ban astrology. Could economics be next?

Not a bad idea, both are equally bogus

Try telling that to my wife, and coming back alive...
==
I love a man who respects his wife .. <g>

She is somewhat obsessed by astrology; and to be fair I did send off
secretly for a full astrological breakdown of a person with my birthdate and
time, using a false name - and the report I received was so uncannily
correct about my personality I began to think I had a stalker.
However, I am still fence sitting between science and mumbo-jumbo.

A girlfriend of mine decades ago had a mother who was interested in
astrology, and an old book she had was lying around, so I had a quick read of
what my own type was supposed to be like. I was surprised how accurate it
was, even down to the shape of my fingernails (I am Cancer, and our
fingernails are meant to be crab-body-shaped, which mine are). The
personality (basically insecure and introverted, especially when I was young)
was spot-on.
So, I can certainly imagine that the time of year you are born (WRT
prevailing atmospheric conditions) can have a physical effect on your
development. The day-to-day Mystic Meg stuff, has never (at least to me)
seemed even slightly reliable.

Mystic Meg is a television personality. The style of Astrology she espouses is
what I disparagingly refer to as 'Sun Sign Astrology'. Genuine Astrology uses
a natal chart to plot the Ascendant, Midheaven, planetary signs and houses etc.
For those interested in predictive astrology, there are different techniques.

This is all becoming very familiar.

The wife has software on her iPad which plots all manner of charts from birth
details. I just nod sagely and leave all the predictions to her.

[Ophelia]

Post by johnny-knowall

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by saracene

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe
On Thu, 17 May 2018 23:08:08 +0200

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"
“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a
frustrated
harry truman

Economists exist to make astrologers look accurate.

"The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look
respectable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Dakins wants to ban astrology. Could economics be next?

Not a bad idea, both are equally bogus

Try telling that to my wife, and coming back alive...
==
I love a man who respects his wife .. <g>

She is somewhat obsessed by astrology; and to be fair I did send off
secretly
for a full astrological breakdown of a person with my birthdate and time,
using a false name - and the report I received was so uncannily correct
about
my personality I began to think I had a stalker.

However, I am still fence sitting between science and mumbo-jumbo.

==

Sitting on the fence when you admit it was 'uncannily correct'??

No matter, if you are keeping her happy you are doing a good job:))

[saracene]

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by saracene

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe
On Thu, 17 May 2018 23:08:08 +0200

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"
“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a frustrated
harry truman

Economists exist to make astrologers look accurate.

"The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look
respectable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Dakins wants to ban astrology. Could economics be next?

Not a bad idea, both are equally bogus - that's why clowns like
Babbelard latch themselves onto one of them. But did you mean Dawkins?

Of course, sorry. I am very slpoppy with my typing.

[Incubus]

Post by Joe

“all my economists tell me, ‘on the one hand...on the other'"
“can't anyone find me a one-handed economist,” demanded a frustrated harry
truman

Economists exist to make astrologers look accurate.

Astrology is a very accurate science.

[Incubus]

Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals and
schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to leave
the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a Norway-style
deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow freedom of movement
with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting that would be strung
up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower Hamlets and
experience the daily racism that English people will endure.

Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no grasp
of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to replace the ones
that are removed from the job market for native britons.

I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about the job
market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

[Tim]

Post by Incubus

Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals and
schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to leave
the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a Norway-style
deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow freedom of movement
with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting that would be strung
up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower Hamlets and
experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no grasp
of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to replace the ones
that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about the job
market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention
things that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

[Dan S. MacAbre]

Post by Tim

Post by Incubus

Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals and
schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to leave
the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a Norway-style
deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow freedom of movement
with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting that would be strung
up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower Hamlets and
experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no grasp
of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to replace the ones
that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about the job
market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention
things that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

I've never seen anyone here demean the disabled. Or anywhere, in fact,
since (in Britain, at least) it's widely considered to be unacceptable.
I know that schoolchildren do, but it's just a sign of their immaturity.

[Incubus]

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow freedom
of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting that
would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower Hamlets
and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about the
job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean the
disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention things
that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?

[Ophelia]

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow freedom
of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting that
would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower Hamlets
and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about the
job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean the
disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention things
that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?

==

He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

[Incubus]

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow freedom
of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting that
would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower Hamlets
and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about the
job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean the
disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention things
that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...

[Ophelia]

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow freedom
of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting that
would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower Hamlets
and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about the
job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean the
disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention things
that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...

==

I have vague memories but I can't remember who. It seems to me that Tim
blames the world even though most of us have nothing to do with it.

TBH the constant whining is getting boring. It that me demeaning disabled
people?

[Incubus]

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow
freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister
accepting that would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower
Hamlets and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about
the job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention
things that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who.

One lives in Harlow and the other is sadly deceased.

Post by Incubus
It seems to me that Tim blames the world even though most of us have nothing
to do with it.

That's what people who think they are victims do.

Post by Incubus
TBH the constant whining is getting boring. It that me demeaning disabled
people?

I suspect anything short of saying he deserves an extra bedroom and an extra
£20 a week plus a free car would be considered thus.

[Ophelia]

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow
freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister
accepting that would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower
Hamlets and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about
the job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention
things that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who.

One lives in Harlow and the other is sadly deceased.

Post by Incubus
It seems to me that Tim blames the world even though most of us have nothing
to do with it.

That's what people who think they are victims do.

Post by Incubus
TBH the constant whining is getting boring. It that me demeaning disabled
people?

I suspect anything short of saying he deserves an extra bedroom and an extra
£20 a week plus a free car would be considered thus.

==

Of that I have No Doubt! I can remember when a woman I knew was taken off
those benefits. I never did know why she was on it. She was able to do
anything I did! She didn't half whinge a lot when it was stopped. Didn't
change her life except for the extras she used to treat herself with.

Hmm can't remember those two!

Age yannow:)

[Incubus]

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow
freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister
accepting that would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower
Hamlets and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to
replace the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about
the job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention
things that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who.

One lives in Harlow and the other is sadly deceased.

Post by Incubus
It seems to me that Tim blames the world even though most of us have
nothing to do with it.

That's what people who think they are victims do.

Post by Incubus
TBH the constant whining is getting boring. It that me demeaning disabled
people?

I suspect anything short of saying he deserves an extra bedroom and an extra
£20 a week plus a free car would be considered thus.
==
Of that I have No Doubt! I can remember when a woman I knew was taken off
those benefits. I never did know why she was on it. She was able to do
anything I did! She didn't half whinge a lot when it was stopped. Didn't
change her life except for the extras she used to treat herself with.
Hmm can't remember those two!
Age yannow:)

I mentioned previously here that my sister has managed to swindle a brand new
Mini Cooper out of the State, which she does not need. She must be capable of
working because she does so, cash in hand.

[Ophelia]

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow
freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister
accepting that would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower
Hamlets and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to
replace the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about
the job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention
things that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who.

One lives in Harlow and the other is sadly deceased.

Post by Incubus
It seems to me that Tim blames the world even though most of us have
nothing to do with it.

That's what people who think they are victims do.

Post by Incubus
TBH the constant whining is getting boring. It that me demeaning disabled
people?

I suspect anything short of saying he deserves an extra bedroom and an extra
£20 a week plus a free car would be considered thus.
==
Of that I have No Doubt! I can remember when a woman I knew was taken off
those benefits. I never did know why she was on it. She was able to do
anything I did! She didn't half whinge a lot when it was stopped. Didn't
change her life except for the extras she used to treat herself with.
Hmm can't remember those two!
Age yannow:)

I mentioned previously here that my sister has managed to swindle a brand
new
Mini Cooper out of the State, which she does not need. She must be capable
of
working because she does so, cash in hand.
==

I think there is a lot of that around. Sometimes though when I hear of the
appeals, I think there a lot going on to 'catch' people out when they are
genuine. I have heard some real horror stores about that. Better and more
fairer investigation is needed. But yes, the fakers need to be caught,
after all, our taxes are paying for it.

[Tim]

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is
caused
by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow
freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister
accepting that would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot.  If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower
Hamlets and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics.  Immigration can never generate enough jobs to
replace the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about
the job market, though.  I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention
things that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who.

One lives in Harlow and the other is sadly deceased.

Post by Incubus
 It seems to me that Tim blames the world even though most of us have
 nothing to do with it.

That's what people who think they are victims do.

Post by Incubus
TBH the constant whining is getting boring.  It that me demeaning
disabled
people?

I suspect anything short of saying he deserves an extra bedroom and an extra
£20 a week plus a free car would be considered thus.
==
Of that I have No Doubt!  I can remember when a woman I knew was taken
off
those benefits.  I never did know why she was on it.  She was able to do
anything I did!  She didn't half whinge a lot when it was stopped. Didn't
change her life except for the extras she used to treat herself with.
Hmm can't remember those two!
Age yannow:)

I mentioned previously here that my sister has managed to swindle a brand new
Mini Cooper out of the State, which she does not need.  She must be capable
of
working because she does so, cash in hand.
==
I think there is a lot of that around.  Sometimes though when I hear of the
appeals, I think there a lot going on to 'catch' people out when they are
genuine.  I have heard some real horror stores about that.   Better and
more
fairer investigation is needed.  But yes, the fakers need to be caught,
after all, our taxes are paying for it.

I think everyone agrees genuine fakers should be caught. However this
should not be achieved by assuming all claimants are guilty till proved
innocent. Neither should the assumption of fakery be based on a cynical
moving of the goalposts as to what constitutes real disability.

[Tim]

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow
freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister
accepting that would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower
Hamlets and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about
the job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention
things that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who.

One lives in Harlow and the other is sadly deceased.

Post by Incubus
It seems to me that Tim blames the world even though most of us have nothing
to do with it.

That's what people who think they are victims do.

Post by Incubus
TBH the constant whining is getting boring. It that me demeaning disabled
people?

I suspect anything short of saying he deserves an extra bedroom and an extra
£20 a week plus a free car would be considered thus.

I lack the requisite skills to drive a car. I'm better off with a
smaller property as I struggled to cope with a bigger one. As for the
extra £20- it wouldn't make up for the £40 I lost when moving and going
onto universal credit.

[johnny-knowall]

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing
hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused
by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth,
however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and
punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted
to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow
freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister
accepting that would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-
for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower
Hamlets and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market
and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to
replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about
the job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention
things that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who.

One lives in Harlow and the other is sadly deceased.

Post by Incubus
It seems to me that Tim blames the world even though most of us have nothing
to do with it.

That's what people who think they are victims do.

Post by Incubus
TBH the constant whining is getting boring. It that me demeaning disabled
people?

I suspect anything short of saying he deserves an extra bedroom and an extra
£20 a week plus a free car would be considered thus.

I lack the requisite skills to drive a car. I'm better off with a
smaller property as I struggled to cope with a bigger one. As for the
extra £20- it wouldn't make up for the £40 I lost when moving and going
onto universal credit.

£40 a day?

What was that for?

I have just watched a news article which said a wheelchair user was
“traumatised” when she had to wait 30 minutes in a lobby for her carer
because she could not use the stairs or the lift.

Why can’t wheelchair users a lift? So what if the doors close on the chair,
they are programmed to open again until they are able to close fully. Why is
a 30 minute wait traumatic?

There was another article whingeing about transgender people having to wait 2
years to get NHS treatment.

WTF?

Are my taxes really going to pay for people who want to go into the ladies'
changing rooms for a cheap thrill, and not get arrested?

[Tim]

Post by johnny-knowall

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow
freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister
accepting that would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-
for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower
Hamlets and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to
replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about
the job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention
things that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who.

One lives in Harlow and the other is sadly deceased.

Post by Incubus
It seems to me that Tim blames the world even though most of us have nothing
to do with it.

That's what people who think they are victims do.

Post by Incubus
TBH the constant whining is getting boring. It that me demeaning disabled
people?

I suspect anything short of saying he deserves an extra bedroom and an extra
£20 a week plus a free car would be considered thus.

I lack the requisite skills to drive a car. I'm better off with a
smaller property as I struggled to cope with a bigger one. As for the
extra £20- it wouldn't make up for the £40 I lost when moving and going
onto universal credit.

£40 a day?

£40 a week.

Post by johnny-knowall
What was that for?
I have just watched a news article which said a wheelchair user was
“traumatised” when she had to wait 30 minutes in a lobby for her carer
because she could not use the stairs or the lift.
Why can’t wheelchair users a lift? So what if the doors close on the chair,
they are programmed to open again until they are able to close fully. Why is
a 30 minute wait traumatic?
There was another article whingeing about transgender people having to wait 2
years to get NHS treatment.
WTF?
Are my taxes really going to pay for people who want to go into the ladies'
changing rooms for a cheap thrill, and not get arrested?

That's a facile and stupid description of transsexuality.

[Incubus]

Post by Tim

Post by johnny-knowall

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing
hospitals and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage
is caused by austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth,
however ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic
and punishing Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why
people voted to leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s
what makes a Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost
certainly allow freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any
prime minister accepting that would be strung up by the press for
treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-
for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower
Hamlets and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market
and contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis)
has no grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs
to replace the ones that are removed from the job market for native
britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks
about the job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and
demean the disabled even though they have sod all experience of
disability. The hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing
posters to mention things that don't affect them but not left wing
posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who.

One lives in Harlow and the other is sadly deceased.

Post by Incubus
It seems to me that Tim blames the world even though most of us have
nothing to do with it.

That's what people who think they are victims do.

Post by Incubus
TBH the constant whining is getting boring. It that me demeaning disabled
people?

I suspect anything short of saying he deserves an extra bedroom and an
extra £20 a week plus a free car would be considered thus.

I lack the requisite skills to drive a car. I'm better off with a smaller
property as I struggled to cope with a bigger one. As for the extra £20- it
wouldn't make up for the £40 I lost when moving and going onto universal
credit.

£40 a day?

£40 a week.

Post by johnny-knowall
What was that for?
I have just watched a news article which said a wheelchair user was
“traumatised” when she had to wait 30 minutes in a lobby for her carer
because she could not use the stairs or the lift.
Why can’t wheelchair users a lift? So what if the doors close on the chair,
they are programmed to open again until they are able to close fully. Why is
a 30 minute wait traumatic?
There was another article whingeing about transgender people having to wait
2 years to get NHS treatment.
WTF?
Are my taxes really going to pay for people who want to go into the ladies'
changing rooms for a cheap thrill, and not get arrested?

That's a facile and stupid description of transsexuality.

I only know one transgendered person. I get the impression that transitioning
wasn't really a choice she felt she had.

It does rather go against the Feminist idea that gender is only a social
construct.

[Ophelia]

Post by Tim

On 17 May 2018, Tim wrote (in article

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing
hospitals and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage
is caused by austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth,
however ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic
and punishing Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why
people voted to leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s
what makes a Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost
certainly allow freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any
prime minister accepting that would be strung up by the press for
treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-
for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower
Hamlets and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market
and contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis)
has no grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs
to replace the ones that are removed from the job market for native
britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks
about the job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and
demean the disabled even though they have sod all experience of
disability. The hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing
posters to mention things that don't affect them but not left wing
posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who.

One lives in Harlow and the other is sadly deceased.

Post by Incubus
It seems to me that Tim blames the world even though most of us have
nothing to do with it.

That's what people who think they are victims do.

Post by Incubus
TBH the constant whining is getting boring. It that me demeaning disabled
people?

I suspect anything short of saying he deserves an extra bedroom and an
extra £20 a week plus a free car would be considered thus.

I lack the requisite skills to drive a car. I'm better off with a smaller
property as I struggled to cope with a bigger one. As for the extra £20- it
wouldn't make up for the £40 I lost when moving and going onto universal
credit.

£40 a day?

£40 a week.

What was that for?
I have just watched a news article which said a wheelchair user was
“traumatised” when she had to wait 30 minutes in a lobby for her carer
because she could not use the stairs or the lift.
Why can’t wheelchair users a lift? So what if the doors close on the chair,
they are programmed to open again until they are able to close fully. Why is
a 30 minute wait traumatic?
There was another article whingeing about transgender people having to wait
2 years to get NHS treatment.
WTF?
Are my taxes really going to pay for people who want to go into the ladies'
changing rooms for a cheap thrill, and not get arrested?

That's a facile and stupid description of transsexuality.

I only know one transgendered person. I get the impression that
transitioning
wasn't really a choice she felt she had.

It does rather go against the Feminist idea that gender is only a social
construct.

==

Yes. I was in uni many years ago with a 'girl' She met a lovely man who
didn't mind and they have been together since.

[Incubus]

Post by Tim

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing
hospitals and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage
is caused by austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth,
however ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and
punishing Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why
people voted to leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s
what makes a Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost
certainly allow freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any
prime minister accepting that would be strung up by the press for
treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower
Hamlets and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market
and contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis)
has no grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs
to replace the ones that are removed from the job market for native
britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about
the job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention
things that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who.

One lives in Harlow and the other is sadly deceased.

Post by Incubus
It seems to me that Tim blames the world even though most of us have
nothing to do with it.

That's what people who think they are victims do.

Post by Incubus
TBH the constant whining is getting boring. It that me demeaning disabled
people?

I suspect anything short of saying he deserves an extra bedroom and an extra
£20 a week plus a free car would be considered thus.

I lack the requisite skills to drive a car.

Maybe you need a chauffeur.

Post by Tim
I'm better off with a smaller property as I struggled to cope with a bigger
one.

In what way?

Post by Tim
As for the extra £20- it wouldn't make up for the £40 I lost when moving and
going onto universal credit.

How has that impacted your life?

[johnny-knowall]

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow freedom
of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting that
would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-fo
r-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower Hamlets
and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to
replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about the
job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean the
disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention things
that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who. It seems to me that Tim
blames the world even though most of us have nothing to do with it.
TBH the constant whining is getting boring. It that me demeaning disabled
people?

I remember Blue.

Didn’t he make home videos which showed him in a flat surrounded by
squalor?

[Ophelia]

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is
caused
by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow
freedom
of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister
accepting
that
would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-fo
r-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower Hamlets
and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job
market
and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to
replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks
about
the
job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the
disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention things
that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who. It seems to me that Tim
blames the world even though most of us have nothing to do with it.
TBH the constant whining is getting boring. It that me demeaning disabled
people?

I remember Blue.

Didn’t he make home videos which showed him in a flat surrounded by
squalor?

==

Yes! I remember! Does he not pop up though from time to time?

[Incubus]

On 17 May 2018, Ophelia wrote (in article

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing
hospitals and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real
damage is caused by austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth,
however ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic
and punishing Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s
why people voted to leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us.
That’s what makes a Norway-style deal impossible, since it would
almost certainly allow freedom of movement with mainland Europe –
and any prime minister accepting that would be strung up by the
press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-fo
r-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower
Hamlets and experience the daily racism that English people will
endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market
and contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis)
has no grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs
to replace the ones that are removed from the job market for native
britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks
about the job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention
things that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who. It seems to me that Tim
blames the world even though most of us have nothing to do with it.
TBH the constant whining is getting boring. It that me demeaning disabled
people?

I remember Blue.
Didn’t he make home videos which showed him in a flat surrounded by squalor?

Yes, although I wouldn't necessarily call it squalor. It was a decent sized
flat for a single person, seemed to be kept clean and tidy and had a computer
powerful enough to play the latest games.

[Tim]

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow freedom
of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting that
would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot.  If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower Hamlets
and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics.  Immigration can never generate enough jobs to
replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about the
job market, though.  I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean the
disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention things
that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who.  It seems to me that Tim
blames the world even though most of us have nothing to do with it.
TBH the constant whining is getting boring.  It that me demeaning
disabled people?

And yet it's ok for people like you to constantly whine about people
like me? Typical right wing hypocrisy.

[Ophelia]

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow freedom
of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting that
would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower Hamlets
and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about the
job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean the
disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention things
that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who. It seems to me that Tim
blames the world even though most of us have nothing to do with it.
TBH the constant whining is getting boring. It that me demeaning disabled
people?

And yet it's ok for people like you to constantly whine about people
like me? Typical right wing hypocrisy.

---

Show me where I whined about YOU???

[Tim]

Post by Tim

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow freedom
of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting that
would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot.  If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower Hamlets
and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics.  Immigration can never generate enough jobs to
replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks
about
the
job market, though.  I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the
disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention things
that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who.  It seems to me that
Tim blames the world even though most of us have nothing to do with it.
TBH the constant whining is getting boring.  It that me demeaning
disabled people?

And yet it's ok for people like you to constantly whine about people
like me? Typical right wing hypocrisy.
---
Show me where I whined about  YOU???

You whined about me in the post to which I replied. People like you
constantly whine about people like me.

[Ophelia]

Post by Tim

Post by Incubus

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow freedom
of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting that
would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower Hamlets
and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks
about
the
job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the
disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention things
that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

He reminds me of a couple of people who no longer post here...
==
I have vague memories but I can't remember who. It seems to me that Tim
blames the world even though most of us have nothing to do with it.
TBH the constant whining is getting boring. It that me demeaning
disabled people?

And yet it's ok for people like you to constantly whine about people
like me? Typical right wing hypocrisy.
---
Show me where I whined about YOU???

You whined about me in the post to which I replied. People like you
constantly whine about people like me.
=======

If it makes you feel better to think so, you go right ahead, but leave me
out of it.

[Tim]

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow freedom
of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting that
would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot.  If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower Hamlets
and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics.  Immigration can never generate enough jobs to
replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about the
job market, though.  I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean the
disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention things
that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

Many here support government policy which anyone who's honest and
intelligent accepts is demeaning to the disabled.

[johnny-knowall]

Post by Tim

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow freedom
of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting that
would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-fo
r-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower Hamlets
and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to
replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about the
job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean the
disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention things
that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

Many here support government policy which anyone who's honest and
intelligent accepts is demeaning to the disabled.

Ok, so please explain how disabled are demeaned?

[Tim]

Post by johnny-knowall

Post by Tim

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow freedom
of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting that
would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-fo
r-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower Hamlets
and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to
replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about the
job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean the
disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention things
that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

Many here support government policy which anyone who's honest and
intelligent accepts is demeaning to the disabled.

Ok, so please explain how disabled are demeaned?

By the government's drive to reduce benefits for the disabled .
Preferring to blame and punish the disabled for the economic crisis of
2008 rather than the bankers etc. By the moving of the goalposts as to
what constitutes disability.

[Dan S. MacAbre]

Post by Tim

Post by johnny-knowall

Post by Tim

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow freedom
of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting that
would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-fo
r-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower Hamlets
and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to
replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks
about
the
job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the
disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention things
that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

Many here support government policy which anyone who's honest and
intelligent accepts is demeaning to the disabled.

Ok, so please explain how disabled are demeaned?

By the government's drive to reduce benefits for the disabled .
Preferring to blame and punish the disabled for the economic crisis of
2008 rather than the bankers etc. By the moving of the goalposts as to
what constitutes disability.

Employers are required to make things as easy as they possibly can so as
not to discriminate against disability. You could make an argument that
one consequence of this is that more disabled people are required to
work, but it isn't necessarily the government that is forcing these
changes. You could just as easily 'blame' trades unions. If it is
becoming easier for disabled people to work, then yes, the goalposts
are, in fact, being widened. Assuming that one actually wants to work,
that is. Since I personally would prefer not to have to, I would
actually suggest that most people /don't/ want to work. I know perhaps
a handful of people that truthfully enjoy it.

[johnny-knowall]

Post by Tim

Post by johnny-knowall

Post by Tim

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing
hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is
caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth,
however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and
punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted
to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow
freedom
of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister accepting
that
would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-
fo
r-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower
Hamlets
and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market
and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics. Immigration can never generate enough jobs to
replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about
the
job market, though. I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the
disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention
things
that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

Many here support government policy which anyone who's honest and
intelligent accepts is demeaning to the disabled.

Ok, so please explain how disabled are demeaned?

By the government's drive to reduce benefits for the disabled .

That was mainly because idle people were pretending they had a bad back in
order to get £££s.

However, the benefits system is not designed to compensate chippy people who
think the country owes them lots of money because they have a prosthetic
limb.

Post by Tim
Preferring to blame and punish the disabled for the economic crisis of
2008

If you can point to a link which only blames the disabled for the economic
crisis of 2008, I will eat my laptop.

Post by Tim
rather than the bankers etc.

Most rightards blame Gordon Brown. He only had one eye, but at least he
carried on working rather than whingeing while sitting at home feeling sorry
for himself and demanding benefits.

Post by Tim
By the moving of the goalposts as to
what constitutes disability.

That is to stop the compensation culture which is prevalent these days.

[Incubus]

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim

Post by Tim
Migrants create jobs rather than take them. Far from squeezing hospitals
and schools, they subsidise and staff them. The real damage is caused by
austerity
Cut the niceties. Skip the jargon. Let us speak the plain truth, however
ugly. What is driving this country headlong into a chaotic and punishing
Brexit is a blind desire to cut immigration. That’s why people voted to
leave the EU, politicians and pundits tell us. That’s what makes a
Norway-style deal impossible, since it would almost certainly allow
freedom of movement with mainland Europe – and any prime minister
accepting that would be strung up by the press for treachery.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot.  If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower
Hamlets and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.
Anyone who fails to understand how immigration affects the job market and
contributes to the housing 'crisis' (more of a population crisis) has no
grasp of economics.  Immigration can never generate enough jobs to replace
the ones that are removed from the job market for native britons.
I don't know why you're so keen to quote on an article that talks about
the job market, though.  I can't see that really affects you...

And yet it's ok for some here to pontificate about disability and demean
the disabled even though they have sod all experience of disability. The
hypocrisy is noted.It seems it's ok for right wing posters to mention
things that don't affect them but not left wing posters.

Who exactly has demeaned disabled people here?
==
He bangs on about that constantly and yet I, like you, have never seen a
single occurrence of it!

Many here support government policy which anyone who's honest and intelligent
accepts is demeaning to the disabled.

I suppose you're right, assuming you get to decide what constitutes honesty and
intelligence.

[Byker]

Post by Incubus

Post by Tim
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/immigration-good-for-britain-bust-myths-austerity

What a load of absolute rot. If you want to see first hand what mass
immigration has done for this country, go for a stroll around Tower
Hamlets and experience the daily racism that English people will endure.

Mass immigration turns neighborhoods into ghettos:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/739850/Mass-immigration-ghettos-government-report

"Migrants" are little more than "insects":
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/20/immigration-language-of-genocide-british-politics

At least the Poles can pass for White:

Fortunately the Jews have a country of their own to flee to:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/558337/Israel-mass-immigration-Jews-Europe-Copenhagen-attacks

[P. Nigrum]

Post by Incubus
the daily racism that English people will

endure. ...

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