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saracene
2017-07-10 21:58:15 UTC
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Taylor’s report is expected to say “the ambition we should have is that all work is fair and decent and with scope for fulfilment and development”.

What a load of crap! How can that be possible? To many work is just an unpleasant necessity. I certainly feel for people who work too hard for very low wages, but we can't set our ambitions as high as that.
JNugent
2017-07-12 02:28:57 UTC
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Taylor’s report is expected to say “the ambition we should have is that all work is fair and decent and with scope for fulfilment and development”.
What a load of crap! How can that be possible? To many work is just an unpleasant necessity. I certainly feel for people who work too hard for very low wages, but we can't set our ambitions as high as that.
Correct.

Someone with whom I went to primary school was a lazy sod, never did a
hand's turn of schoolwork, failed the 11+ and eventually got a (secure
enough) job with the local authority clensing department. We stayed in
touch for years; he was always an entertaining companion and we had a
lot of shared personal history.

Over a few pints, he would often tell me that within the department,
the jobs everyone wanted - the plum positions - were driving the bin
lorry or working on the bulky waste collection service. The first
because it was cushy and the second because there was the opportunity
for unauthorised profit.

The job no-one wanted was Trigger's work: pushing the small handcart and
sweeping the footways and gutters. I could see his point. Whatever the
pay was (and I don't think it was all that much), scope for fulfilmnt
was pretty well absent. For all that, a secure job "on the bins" was
quite sought after, particularly during the 1970s and 1980s when local
jobs were scarce.
cobweb
2017-07-12 05:25:04 UTC
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http://tinyurl.com/y8mgq995
Taylor’s report is expected to say “the ambition we should have is that
all work is fair and decent and with scope for fulfilment and
development”.
What a load of crap! How can that be possible? To many work is just an
unpleasant necessity. I certainly feel for people who work too hard for
very low wages, but we can't set our ambitions as high as that.
Correct.
Someone with whom I went to primary school was a lazy sod, never did a
hand's turn of schoolwork, failed the 11+ and eventually got a (secure
enough) job with the local authority clensing department. We stayed in
touch for years; he was always an entertaining companion and we had a
lot of shared personal history.
Over a few pints, he would often tell me that within the department,
the jobs everyone wanted - the plum positions - were driving the bin
lorry or working on the bulky waste collection service. The first
because it was cushy and the second because there was the opportunity
for unauthorised profit.
bin men /council administrators / capita drones are regarded higher in
british society than compent, proved programmers

those programmers are cast out, disparaged, their work spat on
abelard
2017-07-12 09:32:07 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 05:25:04 -0000 (UTC), cobweb
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http://tinyurl.com/y8mgq995
Taylor’s report is expected to say “the ambition we should have is that
all work is fair and decent and with scope for fulfilment and
development”.
What a load of crap! How can that be possible? To many work is just an
unpleasant necessity. I certainly feel for people who work too hard for
very low wages, but we can't set our ambitions as high as that.
Correct.
Someone with whom I went to primary school was a lazy sod, never did a
hand's turn of schoolwork, failed the 11+ and eventually got a (secure
enough) job with the local authority clensing department. We stayed in
touch for years; he was always an entertaining companion and we had a
lot of shared personal history.
Over a few pints, he would often tell me that within the department,
the jobs everyone wanted - the plum positions - were driving the bin
lorry or working on the bulky waste collection service. The first
because it was cushy and the second because there was the opportunity
for unauthorised profit.
bin men /council administrators / capita drones are regarded higher in
british society than compent, proved programmers
those programmers are cast out, disparaged, their work spat on
sack one programmer...who according to you keeps producing
rubbish...

and

employ 6 bin men to clean up rubbish....

better for the employment figures...and the streets are clean-er
cobweb
2017-07-12 09:34:42 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 05:25:04 -0000 (UTC), cobweb
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http://tinyurl.com/y8mgq995
Taylor’s report is expected to say “the ambition we should have is
that all work is fair and decent and with scope for fulfilment and
development”.
What a load of crap! How can that be possible? To many work is just
an unpleasant necessity. I certainly feel for people who work too
hard for very low wages, but we can't set our ambitions as high as
that.
Correct.
Someone with whom I went to primary school was a lazy sod, never did a
hand's turn of schoolwork, failed the 11+ and eventually got a (secure
enough) job with the local authority clensing department. We stayed in
touch for years; he was always an entertaining companion and we had a
lot of shared personal history.
Over a few pints, he would often tell me that within the department,
the jobs everyone wanted - the plum positions - were driving the bin
lorry or working on the bulky waste collection service. The first
because it was cushy and the second because there was the opportunity
for unauthorised profit.
bin men /council administrators / capita drones are regarded higher in
british society than compent, proved programmers
those programmers are cast out, disparaged, their work spat on
sack one programmer...who according to you keeps producing
rubbish...
and
employ 6 bin men to clean up rubbish....
better for the employment figures...and the streets are clean-er
rubbish = what is reported is that 40pc of public software projects are
failing (according to the register)

1 @ least 6 years overdue

you know nothing about this subject

stick to your HTML
abelard
2017-07-12 10:15:47 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 09:34:42 -0000 (UTC), cobweb
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 05:25:04 -0000 (UTC), cobweb
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http://tinyurl.com/y8mgq995
Taylor?s report is expected to say ?the ambition we should have is
that all work is fair and decent and with scope for fulfilment and
development?.
What a load of crap! How can that be possible? To many work is just
an unpleasant necessity. I certainly feel for people who work too
hard for very low wages, but we can't set our ambitions as high as
that.
Correct.
Someone with whom I went to primary school was a lazy sod, never did a
hand's turn of schoolwork, failed the 11+ and eventually got a (secure
enough) job with the local authority clensing department. We stayed in
touch for years; he was always an entertaining companion and we had a
lot of shared personal history.
Over a few pints, he would often tell me that within the department,
the jobs everyone wanted - the plum positions - were driving the bin
lorry or working on the bulky waste collection service. The first
because it was cushy and the second because there was the opportunity
for unauthorised profit.
bin men /council administrators / capita drones are regarded higher in
british society than compent, proved programmers
those programmers are cast out, disparaged, their work spat on
sack one programmer...who according to you keeps producing
rubbish...
and
employ 6 bin men to clean up rubbish....
better for the employment figures...and the streets are clean-er
rubbish = what is reported is that 40pc of public software projects are
failing (according to the register)
you know nothing about this subject
stick to your HTML
you are so ungracious...i was trying to help your with
a solution to your problem

sack more programmers...employ more street cleaners

everone wins
m***@btopenworld.com
2017-07-12 11:45:11 UTC
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bin men /council administrators / capita drones are regarded higher in
british society than compent, proved programmers
those programmers are cast out, disparaged, their work spat on
if you're an example of them, I'm not surprised!
cobweb
2017-07-12 11:59:56 UTC
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fuck off
c***@googlemail.com
2017-07-15 19:09:31 UTC
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fuck off
Everybody has a job to do, and maybe we are awash with Programmers because everyone had the same idea that it was a good way to make money? If you have been out of work a while is it time to diversify I wonder? I don't know, I don't claim to know anything about it, but it seems like being bitter isn't going to get you anywhere. All the best though, you'll find your way again.
JNugent
2017-07-20 02:05:37 UTC
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fuck off
Everybody has a job to do, and maybe we are awash with Programmers because everyone had the same idea that it was a good way to make money? If you have been out of work a while is it time to diversify I wonder? I don't know, I don't claim to know anything about it, but it seems like being bitter isn't going to get you anywhere. All the best though, you'll find your way again.
Good programmers (developers) are in constant demand, both here in the
UK and in the USA.
m***@btopenworld.com
2017-07-20 07:15:31 UTC
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fuck off
Everybody has a job to do, and maybe we are awash with Programmers because everyone had the same idea that it was a good way to make money? If you have been out of work a while is it time to diversify I wonder? I don't know, I don't claim to know anything about it, but it seems like being bitter isn't going to get you anywhere. All the best though, you'll find your way again.
Good programmers (developers) are in constant demand, both here in the
UK and in the USA.
The operative word being 'good'.

There are people on here who claim to be programmers and can't even write English.
c***@googlemail.com
2017-07-15 20:51:21 UTC
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fuck off
Just saw this in passing...,

https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi?SID=Y3NvdXJjZT1jc3FzZWFyY2gmb3duZXI9NTA3MDAwMCZwYWdlY2xhc3M9Sm9icyZwYWdlYWN0aW9uPXZpZXd2YWNieWpvYmxpc3Qmam9ibGlzdF92aWV3X3ZhYz0xNTQ2NTQ3JnVzZXJzZWFyY2hjb250ZXh0PTQxMTA0MDUzJnNlYXJjaF9zbGljZV9jdXJyZW50PTEmb3duZXJ0eXBlPWZhaXImcmVxc2lnPTE1MDAxNTE3NDItMWEyODY4NGQ0M2Y3NTllZDRhYTQ5ZGQ4ZjFjZWExOTRkMzdiODk1ZA==
c***@googlemail.com
2017-07-15 22:16:14 UTC
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fuck off
Just saw this in passing...,
https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi?SID=Y3NvdXJjZT1jc3FzZWFyY2gmb3duZXI9NTA3MDAwMCZwYWdlY2xhc3M9Sm9icyZwYWdlYWN0aW9uPXZpZXd2YWNieWpvYmxpc3Qmam9ibGlzdF92aWV3X3ZhYz0xNTQ2NTQ3JnVzZXJzZWFyY2hjb250ZXh0PTQxMTA0MDUzJnNlYXJjaF9zbGljZV9jdXJyZW50PTEmb3duZXJ0eXBlPWZhaXImcmVxc2lnPTE1MDAxNTE3NDItMWEyODY4NGQ0M2Y3NTllZDRhYTQ5ZGQ4ZjFjZWExOTRkMzdiODk1ZA==
lots of similar roles on that same site. Nothing for me, but really strange I should see them. Maybe it was meant to be! ;-)
c***@googlemail.com
2017-07-15 18:51:38 UTC
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Taylor’s report is expected to say “the ambition we should have is that all work is fair and decent and with scope for fulfilment and development”.
What a load of crap! How can that be possible? To many work is just an unpleasant necessity. I certainly feel for people who work too hard for very low wages, but we can't set our ambitions as high as that.
Yep, This idea that work can and should fulfil you is probably a cause of a lot of unhappiness. I think people should work on their own personalities and stop blaming their lack of fulfilment on work. They actually make work miserable even for those of us who don't really mind it. They’re usually the gossipers, bitchers and complainers who suffer under the illusion that you are there to make them happy about themselves as people, rather than the priority being to get the job done and have a bit of professional discretion. You can tell somebody annoyed me this week can't you!! ;-)
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