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Fake fibre sold by VM BT Offconn Openroach no good for gaming and social media
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2017-09-10 11:23:14 UTC
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Fake fibre sold by VM BT Offconn Openroach no good for gaming and social media
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Gigaclear, Cityfibre and Hyperoptic have all complained to Advertising
Standards Authority (ASA), but they still no action since 2008.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/06/full-fibre-isps-call-asa-stop-misleading-uk-fibre-broadband-adverts.html

BT (British Telecum) offers similar upload speed to VM on 200mbit
service, but neither come close to similar priced products
from Gigaclear, Cityfibre and Hyperoptic with up to 1 gbit upload
speed enough for gaming, fast social media uploads, and for
whole family to use at the same time without compromising each
other's Internet experience.

The City is being overcharged and conned as well.
Their entire infrastructure is being overcharged and crippled
by BT (Brititsh Telecum) and encumbants.
City trading is 1000% crippled by slow internet
because British Telecum and Openroach don't know how
to install fibre with FPGA routers.

B4N has cabled up 20,000+ rural connection
and is offering down to £30 per month for 1gbit in rural
communities which shirt and tie fscktarts like VM and BT
(British Telecum) don't know how to cable up.

With the help of Offconn, these encumbants are charging
government £4000 per install when the actual costs
are below £250 per install for fibre.

There needs to be separate investigation with reps
from Gigaclear, Citifibre, Hyperoptic, B4RN etc
in the panel holding an parliamentary inquiry into
why the encumbants VM BT (British Telecum), Openroach
and Offconn have all been in it together to con
the UK government out of billions for services
they did not deliver.



I managed to install 1gbit pure fibre in the home for $41.15
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$12.11 30m fiber optic cable - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-SM-SX-3mm-30M-9-125um-30-Meters-Fiber-Optic-Jumper-Cable-SC-UPC/32619865490.html
$29.04 2 x ethernet to fiber - media converter - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HTB-GS-03-A-B-Gigabit-Fiber-Optical-Media-Converter-1000Mbps-Single-Mode-Single-Fiber-SC/32450387383.html

30m of pure fibre - only one required as the fibre media converter
is bidirectional and operates at 1Gbits down the single cable.

The fibre is SC-SC connector.

The media converter has SC connector - connect only to
the TX (and ignore RX marked socket) on both transceivers with single
SC-SC connector.

Connect PC to one transceiver ethernet socket, and other transceiver to
the ethernet switch and hey presto, you got 30M fibre linked
optically! :)

It took me all of 3 minutes to get it operational! :)

If you tried to do this about a year or more ago,
you would be out of pocket by a couple of hundred quid.
Today you can do it for £30 - which is just unbelievable.

Cables 100m, 300m and 500m available to link
PCs in garden sheds or extensions back to the switch or
to a router.

If you are linking farm houses together, neighbours
together in a village or linking offices in
a compound together, the procedure is effortlessly
the same. If you can, make your own cables with a bit of practice:

cleaver -$62- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9-In-1-Fiber-Optic-FTTH-Tool-Kit-with-FC-6S-Fiber-Cleaver-and-Optical-Power/32647289225.html
sleeves - 5 cents - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000Pcs-OD2-4-45mm-Fiber-Optic-Fusion-Splice-Protection-Sleeves-Fiber-Cable-Protector-Heat-Shrink-Tube/32732857639.html
gigabit transceiver: 20km/1000BASE-LX - $17 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SFP-Fiber-Optic-Transceiver-1000BASE-LX-SFP-MINI-GBIC-modules-Compatible-for-CISCO-glc-lh-sm/710717277.html
64 way splitter $85 - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SC-1X64-PLC-Singlemode-Fiber-Optical-splitter-FTTH-PLC-Steel-tube-type-FBT-PLC-optical-fiber/32476975506.html
fibre - --$375/km https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fiber-Cable-Multimode-2core-Indoor-fiber-optic-cable-Duplex-Zipcord-PCV-jacket-3-0mm-Orange/793795646.html
Fiber junction box - $7 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KELUSHI-wholesale-FTTH-FTTH-fiber-panel-fiber-optic-terminal-junction-box-86-information-panels-86-Desktop/32598550478.html

If you are linking together ethernet equipment on different
phases (such as large buildings, or multi-storey offices)
then fibre is the way to go to prevent electrical signals
between the different phases damaging equipment (because
the net voltage difference between the phases can be
415V instead of 240V, and all of that meets in your switch
or router or a PC which is terrible news if there is
a problem).

The world is changing - even though I got fibre in the
home, and live in London, there is nowhere to plug
it into on the street, while the rest of the country,
at least 3% of it has fibre, along with many cities,
for under £50 a month, but not London.

Its an absolute terrible crime what offconn has
done to London. They should hang their heads
in shame and go dunk themselves in river Thames.
Hopefully the replacements are pro-fiber and pure
fibre company directors with a vested interest
in ensuring their under £50 a month fibre companies
are cleared to expand into London at
maximum possible pace.



Paris gets FTTH to all its 2 million inhabitants - Nothing for London
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Sacra bleau!

Paris now has over 2 million FTTH 1 gigabit symmetric DSL (equal upload
and download speed) but London has NOTHING.

A big thank you goes out to *FSCKTARDS* at offconn for being
the vehicle for this.

We need names in front of TV instead fcktards going into hiding and
get out there explaining why Londoners (all 7 million of them, more than 10% of
UK population concentrated into one place) cannot have their
FTTH 1 gigabit symmetric DSL connection with equal upload and
download speeds starting at £30 per month to £50 per month
while 3% of the country already has it from the likes of
B4RN, Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, FibreCity etc., and other countries
and big cities like Paris that are competitors have fully cabled up FTTH.
In Sweden you got 30 providers per city while there are zero
providers in London.

So why can't these fsktards at offconn resign and let some
other authority be set up to that are pro-fibre and let Londoners
have fibre to the home?

It pushes up the value of London by at leas 2 billion pounds.
And each and every city can add the same value now that
we are brexshitting and have to have this technology to be
competitive.

All it requires is some trolls to be spanked and sacked in
Offconn, and replaced with pro-fibre interest commercial
managers and bob is your uncle - value of UK goes up by
at least 50 billion when 25 cities and towns get cabled up
with fibre.


Angiewireless rolling out 10gbit fibre
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https://www.angiewireless.co.uk/your-city/

Bhtee VM Openroach all shiitting in their pants
and master baiting even faster with their
krone tool master bation nation tools.

These Bhtee VM Openroach and their racketeering
protection organization offconn don't use 1% of
a gigabit internet connection delivering their pone collection
traffic and teeveee looped box set collection traffic.

Most of this looped teevee is not even watched
because more than 50% of the people on the internet
prefer to watch youtube and the like :)

Bhtee has no understanding of this reality as they go all out
thieving pensioners to fund Bhtee teevee,
and VM even less charging more every day for content
that is unwatchable with nearly 30 minutes of ads per
30 minutes of looped videos. Its easier to watch youtube :)

And gigabit fibre upload speeds are same as download speeds
because its a hundred times cheaper to do it that way,
which means streaming your work for millions to watch
or uploading content in a fraction of the time compared
to Bhtee VM networks that takes several hours to upload a video.

So what are they to do with 10gbit fibre companies
that have already achieved massive roll out
across the globe?

Are they going to sell all their assets
and be the 0.1% customers of these 10gbit companies now?

They have no choice but to sell their phone copper network
and teevee cable network for scrap and become the 0.1% customers
of 10gbit fibre companies.

Fibre costs 100th the price to lay down because their
ducts can be buried 200mm to 1m below the surface.
These ducts don't need strength as there is no electricity,
gas, water or sewage that can spill out if they got dug up
which requires strong ducts to be erected.

A small team can lay 2km of fibre network every day.
The cost of cabling up the entire UK is £6.5 billion,
and revenues first year is £15 billion minimum,
enough to pay it all back.

The retail costs of equipment now ridiculously low (wholesale cheaper):

cleaver -$62- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9-In-1-Fiber-Optic-FTTH-Tool-Kit-with-FC-6S-Fiber-Cleaver-and-Optical-Power/32647289225.html

sleeves - 5 cents - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000Pcs-OD2-4-45mm-Fiber-Optic-Fusion-Splice-Protection-Sleeves-Fiber-Cable-Protector-Heat-Shrink-Tube/32732857639.html

gigabit transceiver: 20km/1000BASE-LX - $17 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SFP-Fiber-Optic-Transceiver-1000BASE-LX-SFP-MINI-GBIC-modules-Compatible-for-CISCO-glc-lh-sm/710717277.html

64 way splitter $85 - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SC-1X64-PLC-Singlemode-Fiber-Optical-splitter-FTTH-PLC-Steel-tube-type-FBT-PLC-optical-fiber/32476975506.html

fibre - --$375/km https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fiber-Cable-Multimode-2core-Indoor-fiber-optic-cable-Duplex-Zipcord-PCV-jacket-3-0mm-Orange/793795646.html

Fiber junction box - $7 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KELUSHI-wholesale-FTTH-FTTH-fiber-panel-fiber-optic-terminal-junction-box-86-information-panels-86-Desktop/32598550478.html

If you send your buyers to China and source all the kit directly,
you can get it much cheaper by the container load.

Your container may cost £2000, but you can bring across £200,000 pounds worth of stuff
and be making £1 million by the end of a few months.
The only things that hold everyone back is the local councils that
are hell bent pricks on wheels catering to offconn, bhtee and VM interest
and requiring 50 miles of paperwork for 5 miles of fibre.

If you elect to get rid of them and replace it with
fibre friendly councillors in elections 2 months, then
who knows, you could have gigabit symmetric fibre before the
end of the year :)

70% of UK businesses and farms are worried about not getting
fibre into their premises. Bhttee offconn VM Openroach have
no plans to deliver £50 1 gigabit symmetric fibre to the home by 2020
despite 3% of UK households having it wired by non encumbants
like Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, B4RN, Cityfibre, Angiewireless and so on.

So smart alecs with businesses to run and employees to pay
need to push out the unfriendly types from government
and councils and get their fibre friendly councillors into office asap.


Bhtee VM accidentally leak their FTTP equipment prices
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Not.

So I'm setting up BhteeVM_Leeks_WebShite.com web with retail price
list for these items (wholesale cheaper):

64 way splitter $85 - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SC-1X64-PLC-Singlemode-Fiber-Optical-splitter-FTTH-PLC-Steel-tube-type-FBT-PLC-optical-fiber/32476975506.html

fibre - --$375/km https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fiber-Cable-Multimode-2core-Indoor-fiber-optic-cable-Duplex-Zipcord-PCV-jacket-3-0mm-Orange/793795646.html

cleaver -$62- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/9-In-1-Fiber-Optic-FTTH-Tool-Kit-with-FC-6S-Fiber-Cleaver-and-Optical-Power/32647289225.html

sleeves - 5 cents - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000Pcs-OD2-4-45mm-Fiber-Optic-Fusion-Splice-Protection-Sleeves-Fiber-Cable-Protector-Heat-Shrink-Tube/32732857639.html

gigabit transceiver: 20km/1000BASE-LX - $17 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SFP-Fiber-Optic-Transceiver-1000BASE-LX-SFP-MINI-GBIC-modules-Compatible-for-CISCO-glc-lh-sm/710717277.html

The best way to build routers is to hire FPGA engineers and build the routers yourself from FPGA and scale up
rapidly
by building copies of own boards.

Otherwise have to purchase say a Cisco router upward £30,000.
Instead pay FPGA engineer £60,000 for 6 months to create as many FPGA boards
as you need for routers.

Examples of what can be done:
https://www.xes-inc.com/products/fpgas/xpedite2402/
https://www.broadcom.com/optical_fpga

IoD calls for 10Gbit fibre
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35681475

Anyone can get into fibre as the trenches are shallow (less than 1m deep)
and carry no electricity - farmer's wifey has done it! :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37974267

Farmer's wifey runs pure fibre.
And delivers 1 gigabit fibre symmetric DSL with equal upload and download speeds
at prices around 30 pounds per month. Bhtee and VM are choking on it and master baiting
with their krone tools as fast as they can.

So when Bhtee charge 6000 pounds per year for their 1gbit service when we know their
equipment costs are next to nothing now.
They need to pay all the customers this money back because it is illegal
to overcharge and kidnap all that money to fund subsidies for bhtee teevee
which they have been doing illegally for a long time.


Bhtee and VM can't even use 1% of the capacity with their teeevee and phone services.
They could instead ask B4RN to install gigabit fibre for them and become
their 1% customer and still everyone will make money.

So when Bhtee charge 6000 pounds per year for their 1gbit service, they
need to be told it must reflect costs as described above,
and any overcharging should be treated like PPI mis-selling
and needs to be paid back to customer from investor profit.

The regulators are in cahoots with Bhtee VM and should be got rid of
and replaced by pure fibre companies and reps.

It could be at least 10 years before bhteee and vm pay back
their over charged customers.

With real prices out in the open for FTTP kit, anyone can
go buy the kit and start laying fibre and make their own
companies. The only way to encourage startups is to deregulate.

With such low FTTP equipment costs,
its not difficult to see why companies like
Talk Talk is investing 5 million pounds
in Yorkshire to wire up 20,000 homes.
Revenue is easily 1 million pounds a month.
Everything paid for in under a year potentially.


Bhtee VM fails 2020 open market review
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Bhtee and VM fail 2020 open market review to deliver
1Gbit symmetric DSL fibre to premises FTTP for £50 in a test
of free market.

By year 2020 no one in Bhtee or VM will deliver FTTP service
in UK at £50 per month.

This is despite Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, B4RN and many others
delivering 2% of UK infrastructure on 1Gbit symmetric DSL FTTP today.

Councils in England Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland warned
not to deal with Bhtee and VM roping them into expensive out
dated technology being peddled by the likes of VM and Bhtee
that are thin on facts and loose on professional delivery.
Local council and government funding should be given priority
to gigabit pure fibre optic companies delivering minimum 1gbit FTTP
symmetric DSL services capped at 50 pounds retail, noting the average
service provider is able to deliver it at under £30 per month.

All tax payer funding to the likes of Bhttee and VM should be stopped
immediately in favour of pure fibre companies.
The market is expected to be dominated by fibre
companies installing fibre in 1 meter shallow dug plastic pipes
as they don't carry electric cables which would otherwise require
deeper tunnels and stronger ducts causing extensive disruption.
Cumpanies like Bhtee and VM that use less than 1% of the internet
with their telephony and teevee data would become the 1% customers
of the new fibre companies.

Local councils and regulators should pressure Bhtee and VM to remove all
their unnecessary copper from their ducts with incentives such as fines
and sell it for scrap and recycling, and switch to using pure fibre
providers to deliver their services to UK customers.
7
2017-09-11 15:48:51 UTC
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Fake fibre sold by VM BT Offconn Openroach no good for gaming and social media
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Post by 7
Gigaclear, Cityfibre and Hyperoptic have all complained to Advertising
Standards Authority (ASA), but they still no action since 2008.
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/06/full-fibre-isps-call-asa-stop-misleading-uk-fibre-broadband-adverts.html
BT (British Telecum) offers similar upload speed to VM on 200mbit
service, but neither come close to similar priced products
from Gigaclear, Cityfibre and Hyperoptic with up to 1 gbit upload
speed enough for gaming, fast social media uploads, and for
whole family to use at the same time without compromising each
other's Internet experience.
The City is being overcharged and conned as well.
Their entire infrastructure is being overcharged and crippled
by BT (Brititsh Telecum) and encumbants.
City trading is 1000% crippled by slow internet
because British Telecum and Openroach don't know how
to install fibre with FPGA routers.
You don't have to use BT in the City of London
Yea sure with BT (British Telecum) being the biggest
provider in the area.

If the incumbents were deregulated and told to pack up and get lost
with Hyperoptic B4RN Citifibre Venus Metronet etc
being allowed agnostic access to ducts, and seats
on all Offconn committees then your claims have some merit.
7
2017-09-12 19:44:06 UTC
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Fake fibre sold by VM BT Offconn Openroach no good for gaming and social media
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Post by 7
Post by 7
Gigaclear, Cityfibre and Hyperoptic have all complained to Advertising
Standards Authority (ASA), but they still no action since 2008.
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/06/full-fibre-isps-call-asa-stop-misleading-uk-fibre-broadband-adverts.html
BT (British Telecum) offers similar upload speed to VM on 200mbit
service, but neither come close to similar priced products
from Gigaclear, Cityfibre and Hyperoptic with up to 1 gbit upload
speed enough for gaming, fast social media uploads, and for
whole family to use at the same time without compromising each
other's Internet experience.
The City is being overcharged and conned as well.
Their entire infrastructure is being overcharged and crippled
by BT (Brititsh Telecum) and encumbants.
City trading is 1000% crippled by slow internet
because British Telecum and Openroach don't know how
to install fibre with FPGA routers.
You don't have to use BT in the City of London
Yea sure with BT (British Telecum) being the biggest
provider in the area.
If the incumbents were deregulated and told to pack up and get lost
with Hyperoptic B4RN Citifibre Venus Metronet etc
being allowed agnostic access to ducts, and seats
on all Offconn committees then your claims have some merit.
You mean market entrants being allowed to use established infrastructure
for free and reap big profits as a result.
BTW Norweb Telecom (now part of Vodafone) laid fibre in a new trench to my
then office in Manchester FoC over twenty years ago (although they just
stuck an E1 optical concentrator on the end to give me ISDN).
How many trenches has Hype-er-optic paid for?
How did you work all that trolling material out for yourself?

The average cost of fibre install is £250 max - around £100 usually.

The average cost of fibre per km install is £5000 on open
areas. Cities as high as £100k/km.

Each bundle can carry 10,000+ cable so average costs
push towards £100/km.

The problem is down to whether the cable is then fitted
with a $14 transceiver or £10000+ piece of crap analogue
equipment.

You guessed it - with Bhtee in the middle, they will
fit £10,000 piece of copper equipment to break
out a 1gbit line into hundreds of copper line.

This is like being given 4K teevee down a 1 gigabit
fibre line, and if it were down to Bhtee, they would
fit a Cisco fibre router, then a PC to capture the video, down
convert to 425 line, and then transform it to black and
white, and then convert the fibre to copper signal
to send it down a twisted pair, and finally the fsckies
would put a black and white CRT Teevee in front of
you and claim the entire install costs £3000 and
that Bhtee had absorbed another £2000 in man power costs
so they are entitled to £5000 rebate from government.

And offconn would agree.

While all the time, the true install cost was £100
for the line, and $14 for the fibre modem.

If you though PPI mis-selling was bad, then
wait till your eyes are opened to the horrors of
Bhtee trolls selling their own kids and their
future down the river for moneeeey.
ExPatBrit
2017-09-15 12:34:03 UTC
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replying to 7, ExPatBrit wrote:
Couldn't agree more. Our village, just 20 crow miles from Stansted has only
just got a viable Internet service - using a private company that has the
broadband backbone connect by radio to our church steeple. From there it
radiates to each home through the air to a dish on the house. Only my
neighbour was told he is out of luck because "them two trees over there are in
the way". Our houses are just 9' apart! I have seen 20Mbps, 30Mbps is said to
be available for a bit more monthly. I don't know whether the approach could
scale to 100Mbps or higher - time will tell but at the rate we are forced to
receive video adverts - even on BBC, CNN, AOL, etc - I don't think even 30Mbps
will be adequate in a year or two, especially if more owners in the small
village take up the service and streaming becomes an expectation. Many years
ago, before patience and hair became very thin, BT offered my other neighbour
"Internet" if HE would pay them £120,000.
I swear (and I have frequently) people in BT's far-away support team, and
their U.K. Executives, think "robust fiber" includes string that doesn't fray.
Two years ago, my landline went dead. I filed complaint once I figured our how
to. I was told I could re-refute my calls to my 85 year old neighbour's line -
the off-shore moron didn't understand the stupidity of that on so many levels.
Then when I contacted them again they called me a liar and that there was no
fault report! After ELEVEN days an Openreach bloke showed up. I explained the
situation and he walked about 50 yards down the road, looked up and reported
the connection at the top of the pole was probably broken - exactly my
original suggestion. I asked how long to fix it and he said "Dunno. I need to
call for a cherry picker 'cos I can't shin up the pole like we used to".
Whereupon he went back to his truck, made a call, and spent at least the next
two hours having a nap while probably still "on the clock" BT and Openreach is
probably on of the biggest consumer frauds ever. By the way, the village also
has appalling 2G/3G service - even a lorry barreling through our narrow main
road ignoring 30mph is enough to cause the signal to drop - although if it is
raining the signal won't be there anyway.
So for at least 11 days (I was home between long distance business trips) I
had no ability to make or receive calls - even 999.

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