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Those Snowflakes Again
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Omega
2018-05-08 07:12:39 UTC
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Bastards are after our money folks!

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Farmer Giles
2018-05-08 07:20:30 UTC
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omega
Idiots - by their stupid words shall you know them, and the way that
they latch on to them like the sheep they are. 'Snowflakes' indeed.
g***@walkerlincoln.co.uk
2018-05-08 07:42:15 UTC
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation

..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Incubus
2018-05-11 12:10:19 UTC
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of intergenerational
fairness.
JNugent
2018-05-11 14:37:08 UTC
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Farmer Giles
2018-05-11 15:56:21 UTC
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think
Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
JNugent
2018-05-11 16:09:25 UTC
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think
Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.

A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship
with Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and
came out each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got
£4/9s/03d a week and much nearer home.
Farmer Giles
2018-05-11 16:21:37 UTC
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship
with Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and
came out each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got
£4/9s/03d a week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
Ophelia
2018-05-11 16:49:19 UTC
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship
with Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and came
out each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got
£4/9s/03d a week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.

==

"...and if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe
you..." ...
JNugent
2018-05-11 17:04:45 UTC
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship
with Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and came
out each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got
£4/9s/03d a week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
==
"...and if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe
you..." ...
When I started an apprenticeship at £4/9s/0d a week (net), that was
wealth undreamed of as far as I was concerned.

I gave £3 to my mother and kept £1/9s/0d for myself.

After a year or two when I was old enough under the Factories Act to
work overtime, working until midnight was enough to allow me to buy an
LP that weekend. I thought I was so favoured by the gods.
johnny-knowall
2018-05-11 17:31:47 UTC
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think
Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship
with Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and came
out each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got
£4/9s/03d a week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
==
"...and if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe
you..." ...
When I started an apprenticeship at £4/9s/0d a week (net), that was
wealth undreamed of as far as I was concerned.
I gave £3 to my mother and kept £1/9s/0d for myself.
After a year or two when I was old enough under the Factories Act to
work overtime, working until midnight was enough to allow me to buy an
LP that weekend. I thought I was so favoured by the gods.
Don’t you just love low pay one-upmanship?
JNugent
2018-05-11 18:42:25 UTC
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship
with Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and came
out each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got
£4/9s/03d a week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
==
"...and if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe
you..." ...
When I started an apprenticeship at £4/9s/0d a week (net), that was
wealth undreamed of as far as I was concerned.
I gave £3 to my mother and kept £1/9s/0d for myself.
After a year or two when I was old enough under the Factories Act to
work overtime, working until midnight was enough to allow me to buy an
LP that weekend. I thought I was so favoured by the gods.
Don’t you just love low pay one-upmanship?
What do you mean, "low pay"?

I was doing alright.
Ophelia
2018-05-11 18:47:54 UTC
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship
with Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and came
out each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got
£4/9s/03d a week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
==
"...and if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe
you..." ...
When I started an apprenticeship at £4/9s/0d a week (net), that was
wealth undreamed of as far as I was concerned.

I gave £3 to my mother and kept £1/9s/0d for myself.

After a year or two when I was old enough under the Factories Act to
work overtime, working until midnight was enough to allow me to buy an
LP that weekend. I thought I was so favoured by the gods.

==

Oh yes! I remember the first record I bought:) It wasn't an LP though:)
JNugent
2018-05-11 19:40:01 UTC
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship
with Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and came
out each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got
£4/9s/03d a week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
==
"...and if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe
you..." ...
When I started an apprenticeship at £4/9s/0d a week (net), that was
wealth undreamed of as far as I was concerned.
I gave £3 to my mother and kept £1/9s/0d for myself.
After a year or two when I was old enough under the Factories Act to
work overtime, working until midnight was enough to allow me to buy an
LP that weekend. I thought I was so favoured by the gods.
==
Oh yes!  I remember the first record I bought:)  It wasn't an LP though:)
It wasn't the first record - or even the first LP - I had bought. But it
was bought with my first week's wages.
Ophelia
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship
with Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and came
out each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got
£4/9s/03d a week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
==
"...and if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe
you..." ...
When I started an apprenticeship at £4/9s/0d a week (net), that was
wealth undreamed of as far as I was concerned.
I gave £3 to my mother and kept £1/9s/0d for myself.
After a year or two when I was old enough under the Factories Act to
work overtime, working until midnight was enough to allow me to buy an
LP that weekend. I thought I was so favoured by the gods.
==
Oh yes! I remember the first record I bought:) It wasn't an LP though:)
It wasn't the first record - or even the first LP - I had bought. But it
was bought with my first week's wages.

==

:) Memories:)
Incubus
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship with
Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and came out
each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got £4/9s/03d a
week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
==
"...and if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe
you..." ...
When I started an apprenticeship at £4/9s/0d a week (net), that was wealth
undreamed of as far as I was concerned.
I gave £3 to my mother and kept £1/9s/0d for myself.
After a year or two when I was old enough under the Factories Act to work
overtime, working until midnight was enough to allow me to buy an LP that
weekend. I thought I was so favoured by the gods.
==
Oh yes! I remember the first record I bought:) It wasn't an LP though:)
Mine was Ultravox' 'Quartet' around 1982, I think. It was their latest album
and I was around six years old.
johnny-knowall
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think
Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship with
Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and came out
each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got £4/9s/03d a
week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
==
"...and if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe
you..." ...
When I started an apprenticeship at £4/9s/0d a week (net), that was wealth
undreamed of as far as I was concerned.
I gave £3 to my mother and kept £1/9s/0d for myself.
After a year or two when I was old enough under the Factories Act to work
overtime, working until midnight was enough to allow me to buy an LP that
weekend. I thought I was so favoured by the gods.
==
Oh yes! I remember the first record I bought:) It wasn't an LP though:)
Mine was Ultravox' 'Quartet' around 1982, I think. It was their latest album
and I was around six years old.
I bought “She Loves You” by The Beatles, and I think it cost about 4
shillings. That was a lot of money for me in those days, but my great aunt
(who could be relied upon to send a 10 shilling note in my birthday card)
surpassed herself by enclosing a pound note in 1963.

I had riches beyond my wildest dreams, at least for a few hours. When she
found out what I had bought, she was not amused - her being a strict
Salvation Army type - and all future monetary donations were directed through
my parents, as I obviously could not be trusted.

My first album was “Aftermath” by The Stones, although I didn’t buy it
new - I bought it second hand off a mate who was trying to get enough cash to
buy an air rifle.
saracene
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think
Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship with
Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and came out
each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got
£4/9s/03d a
week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
==
"...and if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe
you..." ...
When I started an apprenticeship at £4/9s/0d a week (net), that was wealth
undreamed of as far as I was concerned.
I gave £3 to my mother and kept £1/9s/0d for myself.
After a year or two when I was old enough under the Factories Act to work
overtime, working until midnight was enough to allow me to buy an LP that
weekend. I thought I was so favoured by the gods.
==
Oh yes! I remember the first record I bought:) It wasn't an LP though:)
Mine was Ultravox' 'Quartet' around 1982, I think. It was their latest album
and I was around six years old.
I bought “She Loves You” by The Beatles, and I think it cost about 4
shillings. That was a lot of money for me in those days, but my great aunt
(who could be relied upon to send a 10 shilling note in my birthday card)
surpassed herself by enclosing a pound note in 1963.
I had riches beyond my wildest dreams, at least for a few hours. When she
found out what I had bought, she was not amused - her being a strict
Salvation Army type - and all future monetary donations were directed through
my parents, as I obviously could not be trusted.
My first album was “Aftermath” by The Stones, although I didn’t buy it
new - I bought it second hand off a mate who was trying to get enough cash to
buy an air rifle.
Hound Dog by 'Elvis. At 8 years old I felt a song about hate rather than love made a refreshing change.
Andy Walker
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Oh yes! I remember the first record I bought:) It wasn't an LP though:)
Mine was Ultravox' 'Quartet' around 1982, I think. [...]
I bought “She Loves You” by The Beatles, [...].
My first album was “Aftermath” by The Stones, [...].
Hound Dog by 'Elvis. At 8 years old I felt a song about hate rather
than love made a refreshing change.
"Ciribiribin on the Mandolin", by the Radio Revellers. Eg, at
for the curious. Sorry.
There weren't any "albums" in those days. Dad bought a second-hand
wind-up gramophone, which came with a stack of 78s, inc Liszt's 2nd
Hungarian Rhapsody, which was so loud it brought the turntable to a
halt unless you re-wound it half-way through the side. That same day
I just had to go to the record shop, and CotM was in the bargain pile.
I think it was 1/3d. I soon graduated to Tom Lehrer [who was 90 just
a few days ago]; not exactly "hate rather than love", but a degree of
anarchic cynicism that I've tried to retain throughout life.
--
Andy Walker,
Nottingham.
Basil Jet
2018-05-14 12:42:15 UTC
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My first record was The Jam "Absolute Beginners", but that's a bit lame,
so I'm linking to a video of their previous single Funeral Pyre instead
(which I would have bought if my sister hadn't already bought it).


Farmer Giles
2018-05-14 15:32:27 UTC
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My first record was The Jam "Absolute Beginners", but that's a bit lame,
so I'm linking to a video of their previous single Funeral Pyre instead
(which I would have bought if my sister hadn't already bought it).
http://youtu.be/EndqhHJx-Ko
The first record I bought was 'A Certain Smile' by Johnny Mathis - about
1958/59, and I still don't know why I bought it! I think it was 7/6d.
Farmer Giles
2018-05-14 19:08:00 UTC
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My first record was The Jam "Absolute Beginners", but that's a bit
lame, so I'm linking to a video of their previous single Funeral Pyre
instead (which I would have bought if my sister hadn't already bought
it).
http://youtu.be/EndqhHJx-Ko
The first record I bought was 'A Certain Smile' by Johnny Mathis - about
1958/59, and I still don't know why I bought it! I think it was 7/6d.
Actually, now I think about it, my brother bought that. My first record
was 'Lonely Boy' by Paul Anka.
johnny-knowall
2018-05-14 16:05:07 UTC
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My first record was The Jam "Absolute Beginners", but that's a bit lame,
This is not a competition, unlike every other right wing post on this ng.

Nobody's first music is “a bit lame”.

Music is completely subjective. The effect of certain tunes in your head, is
no better or worse than other tunes in mine; despite what the snobs would
like to have you believe.

Some people’s first single will have been “Sugar Sugar” by The Archies.
So what?

If it made them happy, then music has done its work.
Dan S. MacAbre
2018-05-14 17:17:43 UTC
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My first record was The Jam "Absolute Beginners", but that's a bit lame,
This is not a competition, unlike every other right wing post on this ng.
Nobody's first music is “a bit lame”.
Music is completely subjective. The effect of certain tunes in your head, is
no better or worse than other tunes in mine; despite what the snobs would
like to have you believe.
Some people’s first single will have been “Sugar Sugar” by The Archies.
So what?
That was the first "kid's" pop song I remember liking, but I wasn't old
enough to buy stuff, or I might have done. I think the first one I
actually bought was Son Of My Father by Chicory Tip (either that, or
Life's A Carnival by The Band, or Burlesque by Family - I can't remember
which was first), and then I just bought loads of T-Rex and Deep Purple
stuff. My enduring favourites from the time were things like Maggie
May, which I'd say were a bit more introspective, and music that a
grown-up might still like to listen to.
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If it made them happy, then music has done its work.
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My first record was The Jam "Absolute Beginners", but that's a bit lame,
This is not a competition, unlike every other right wing post on this ng.
Nobody's first music is “a bit lame”.
Music is completely subjective. The effect of certain tunes in your head, is
no better or worse than other tunes in mine; despite what the snobs would
like to have you believe.
Some people’s first single will have been “Sugar Sugar” by The Archies.
So what?
That was the first "kid's" pop song I remember liking, but I wasn't old
enough to buy stuff,
That is great.

And it didn’t hurt a bit.

We all have musical tastes, and no one should be able to claim that theirs is
better than anyone else’s.

My mother bought us “Two Little Boys” one Christmas because I was always
fighting with my brother.

We hated the song, but she loved it.
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or I might have done. I think the first one I
actually bought was Son Of My Father by Chicory Tip (either that, or
Life's A Carnival by The Band, or Burlesque by Family - I can't remember
which was first), and then I just bought loads of T-Rex and Deep Purple
stuff. My enduring favourites from the time were things like Maggie
May, which I'd say were a bit more introspective, and music that a
grown-up might still like to listen to.
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If it made them happy, then music has done its work.
I remember my cousin sending off for "Trout Mask Replica” from a big advert
on the back of Melody Maker in the late 1960s. The advert was for something
called Virgin Records, and he received the parcel while I was staying with
him for a week or so.

It was so weird (A squid eating dough in a polythene bag is fast and bulbous,
got me?) that it put me off double albums for a few years. The first one I
summoned up the nerve to buy was “Focus III”.

I’m glad that I did, because it has become one of my favourite, and I still
love it after 45 years.
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We all have musical tastes, and no one should be able to claim that theirs is
better than anyone else’s.
Yes, you've currently got a bee in your on that subject. You tried to get me over it recently but had missed my drift.
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My mother bought us “Two Little Boys” one Christmas because I was always
fighting with my brother.

I will dare to assert that that song is shit, as is most of what Cliff Richard churned out. Nothing wrong with sticking up for good taste. Some people's music offend the ears to the point of torture. Why should we have to be nice about it rather than nasty?

A few years ago (time passes so fast) I got banned from a pub for telling the landlord that his musical compilation expressed the taste of thirteen year old girl. "Unbelievably rude" he told me I was, before ordering me to drink up and get out.
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My first record was The Jam "Absolute Beginners", but that's a bit lame,
This is not a competition, unlike every other right wing post on this ng.
Nobody's first music is “a bit lame”.
Music is completely subjective. The effect of certain tunes in your head, is
no better or worse than other tunes in mine; despite what the snobs would
like to have you believe.
Some people’s first single will have been “Sugar Sugar” by The Archies.
So what?
That was the first "kid's" pop song I remember liking, but I wasn't old
enough to buy stuff,
That is great.
And it didn’t hurt a bit.
We all have musical tastes, and no one should be able to claim that theirs is
better than anyone else’s.
My mother bought us “Two Little Boys” one Christmas because I was always
fighting with my brother.
We hated the song, but she loved it.
I quite like that, but I'm a big softy.
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or I might have done. I think the first one I
actually bought was Son Of My Father by Chicory Tip (either that, or
Life's A Carnival by The Band, or Burlesque by Family - I can't remember
which was first), and then I just bought loads of T-Rex and Deep Purple
stuff. My enduring favourites from the time were things like Maggie
May, which I'd say were a bit more introspective, and music that a
grown-up might still like to listen to.
Post by johnny-knowall
If it made them happy, then music has done its work.
I remember my cousin sending off for "Trout Mask Replica” from a big advert
on the back of Melody Maker in the late 1960s. The advert was for something
called Virgin Records, and he received the parcel while I was staying with
him for a week or so.
I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it. It's so odd, it just
seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so. I like the strange
jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing. Like 'I can do that', but in a
good way :-) I even like the Howlin' Wolf imitation voice.
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It was so weird (A squid eating dough in a polythene bag is fast and bulbous,
got me?) that it put me off double albums for a few years. The first one I
summoned up the nerve to buy was “Focus III”.
I’m glad that I did, because it has become one of my favourite, and I still
love it after 45 years.
Well, Focus were just awesome, I think. I got Moving Waves, and loved
it, and then just got everything that came out after that. And yes,
Focus III is a masterpiece. I especially like the Focus X tracks on
each album - always a little bit more introspective. If I could play
like Jan Akkerman, I don't think I'd want for anything else in the whole
world.
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I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it.  It's so odd, it just
seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so.  I like the strange
jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing.  Like 'I can do that', but in a
good way :-)  I even like the Howlin' Wolf imitation voice.
XTC were asked to do a song for a Beefheart tribute album... so they did
Ella Guru, and it's practically indistinguishable from the original.
Just wish there was a video for this... it would great to see Andy
Partridge doing the main vocal.


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I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it.  It's so odd, it
just seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so.  I like the
strange jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing.  Like 'I can do that',
but in a good way :-)  I even like the Howlin' Wolf imitation voice.
XTC were asked to do a song for a Beefheart tribute album... so they did
Ella Guru, and it's practically indistinguishable from the original.
Just wish there was a video for this... it would great to see Andy
Partridge doing the main vocal.
http://youtu.be/fXdoAvXBBR4
A great song - and a very good cover. You can't help smiling when
listening to that :-)
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I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it.  It's so odd, it
just seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so.  I like the
strange jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing.  Like 'I can do
that', but in a good way :-)  I even like the Howlin' Wolf imitation
voice.
XTC were asked to do a song for a Beefheart tribute album... so they
did Ella Guru, and it's practically indistinguishable from the
original. Just wish there was a video for this... it would great to
see Andy Partridge doing the main vocal.
http://youtu.be/fXdoAvXBBR4
A great song - and a very good cover.  You can't help smiling when
listening to that :-)
You and I can't, but most people wouldn't smile at all. Most people
think music shouldn't be funny. Edward Barton got a brilliant response
from the audience on The Tube, but no-one bought his records.


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I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it.  It's so odd, it
just seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so.  I like the
strange jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing.  Like 'I can do
that', but in a good way :-)  I even like the Howlin' Wolf imitation
voice.
XTC were asked to do a song for a Beefheart tribute album... so they
did Ella Guru, and it's practically indistinguishable from the
original. Just wish there was a video for this... it would great to
see Andy Partridge doing the main vocal.
http://youtu.be/fXdoAvXBBR4
A great song - and a very good cover.  You can't help smiling when
listening to that :-)
You and I can't, but most people wouldn't smile at all. Most people
think music shouldn't be funny. Edward Barton got a brilliant response
from the audience on The Tube, but no-one bought his records.
http://youtu.be/Hf0YCvsXxZc
Well, no-one except me ;-)
Dan S. MacAbre
2018-05-23 09:18:08 UTC
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I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it.  It's so odd, it
just seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so.  I like the
strange jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing.  Like 'I can do
that', but in a good way :-)  I even like the Howlin' Wolf imitation
voice.
XTC were asked to do a song for a Beefheart tribute album... so they
did Ella Guru, and it's practically indistinguishable from the
original. Just wish there was a video for this... it would great to
see Andy Partridge doing the main vocal.
http://youtu.be/fXdoAvXBBR4
A great song - and a very good cover.  You can't help smiling when
listening to that :-)
You and I can't, but most people wouldn't smile at all. Most people
think music shouldn't be funny. Edward Barton got a brilliant response
from the audience on The Tube, but no-one bought his records.
http://youtu.be/Hf0YCvsXxZc
It'll have to wait until I get home. I always liked music that wasn't
too serious - when I was a lad, Gong were one of my favourites. Quite
bonkers. Of course, I like serious music too, but not people
complaining about some woman, or about life in general.
johnny-knowall
2018-05-23 09:29:58 UTC
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I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it. It's so odd, it
just seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so. I like the
strange jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing. Like 'I can do
that', but in a good way :-) I even like the Howlin' Wolf imitation
voice.
XTC were asked to do a song for a Beefheart tribute album... so they
did Ella Guru, and it's practically indistinguishable from the
original. Just wish there was a video for this... it would great to
see Andy Partridge doing the main vocal.
http://youtu.be/fXdoAvXBBR4
A great song - and a very good cover. You can't help smiling when
listening to that :-)
You and I can't, but most people wouldn't smile at all. Most people
think music shouldn't be funny. Edward Barton got a brilliant response
from the audience on The Tube, but no-one bought his records.
http://youtu.be/Hf0YCvsXxZc
It'll have to wait until I get home. I always liked music that wasn't
too serious - when I was a lad, Gong were one of my favourites. Quite
bonkers. Of course, I like serious music too, but not people
complaining about some woman, or about life in general.
I vaguely remember seeing Gong at Reading Town Hall (I think it was there),
but I was in almost as chaotic state as they were, so a haze has developed
over that part of my brain.
Dan S. MacAbre
2018-05-23 09:48:39 UTC
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I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it. It's so odd, it
just seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so. I like the
strange jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing. Like 'I can do
that', but in a good way :-) I even like the Howlin' Wolf imitation
voice.
XTC were asked to do a song for a Beefheart tribute album... so they
did Ella Guru, and it's practically indistinguishable from the
original. Just wish there was a video for this... it would great to
see Andy Partridge doing the main vocal.
http://youtu.be/fXdoAvXBBR4
A great song - and a very good cover. You can't help smiling when
listening to that :-)
You and I can't, but most people wouldn't smile at all. Most people
think music shouldn't be funny. Edward Barton got a brilliant response
from the audience on The Tube, but no-one bought his records.
http://youtu.be/Hf0YCvsXxZc
It'll have to wait until I get home. I always liked music that wasn't
too serious - when I was a lad, Gong were one of my favourites. Quite
bonkers. Of course, I like serious music too, but not people
complaining about some woman, or about life in general.
I vaguely remember seeing Gong at Reading Town Hall (I think it was there),
but I was in almost as chaotic state as they were, so a haze has developed
over that part of my brain.
Judging by the vinyl releases, I don't think they were a particularly
inspiring live band :-)
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I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it. It's so odd, it
just seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so. I like the
strange jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing. Like 'I can do
that', but in a good way :-) I even like the Howlin' Wolf imitation
voice.
XTC were asked to do a song for a Beefheart tribute album... so they
did Ella Guru, and it's practically indistinguishable from the
original. Just wish there was a video for this... it would great to
see Andy Partridge doing the main vocal.
http://youtu.be/fXdoAvXBBR4
A great song - and a very good cover. You can't help smiling when
listening to that :-)
You and I can't, but most people wouldn't smile at all. Most people
think music shouldn't be funny. Edward Barton got a brilliant response
from the audience on The Tube, but no-one bought his records.
http://youtu.be/Hf0YCvsXxZc
It'll have to wait until I get home. I always liked music that wasn't
too serious - when I was a lad, Gong were one of my favourites. Quite
bonkers. Of course, I like serious music too, but not people
complaining about some woman, or about life in general.
I vaguely remember seeing Gong at Reading Town Hall (I think it was there),
but I was in almost as chaotic state as they were, so a haze has developed
over that part of my brain.
Judging by the vinyl releases, I don't think they were a particularly
inspiring live band :-)
I think that I only went to see them because at the time Bill Bruford was
their drummer, and I liked his style of drumming.
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I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it. It's so odd, it
just seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so. I like the
strange jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing. Like 'I can do
that', but in a good way :-) I even like the Howlin' Wolf imitation
voice.
XTC were asked to do a song for a Beefheart tribute album... so they
did Ella Guru, and it's practically indistinguishable from the
original. Just wish there was a video for this... it would great to
see Andy Partridge doing the main vocal.
http://youtu.be/fXdoAvXBBR4
A great song - and a very good cover. You can't help smiling when
listening to that :-)
You and I can't, but most people wouldn't smile at all. Most people
think music shouldn't be funny. Edward Barton got a brilliant response
from the audience on The Tube, but no-one bought his records.
http://youtu.be/Hf0YCvsXxZc
It'll have to wait until I get home. I always liked music that wasn't
too serious - when I was a lad, Gong were one of my favourites. Quite
bonkers. Of course, I like serious music too, but not people
complaining about some woman, or about life in general.
I vaguely remember seeing Gong at Reading Town Hall (I think it was there),
but I was in almost as chaotic state as they were, so a haze has developed
over that part of my brain.
Judging by the vinyl releases, I don't think they were a particularly
inspiring live band :-)
I think that I only went to see them because at the time Bill Bruford was
their drummer, and I liked his style of drumming.
Well, Bill Bruford is certainly one of the Gods of percussion. His
first two solo LPs ('Bruford', 'One Of A Kind') are some of my
favourites. But at the time he was playing for Gong they'd evolved into
a fairly serious jazz-rock band.
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2018-05-23 11:13:35 UTC
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I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it. It's so odd, it
just seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so. I like the
strange jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing. Like 'I can do
that', but in a good way :-) I even like the Howlin' Wolf imitation
voice.
XTC were asked to do a song for a Beefheart tribute album... so they
did Ella Guru, and it's practically indistinguishable from the
original. Just wish there was a video for this... it would great to
see Andy Partridge doing the main vocal.
http://youtu.be/fXdoAvXBBR4
A great song - and a very good cover. You can't help smiling when
listening to that :-)
You and I can't, but most people wouldn't smile at all. Most people
think music shouldn't be funny. Edward Barton got a brilliant response
from the audience on The Tube, but no-one bought his records.
http://youtu.be/Hf0YCvsXxZc
It'll have to wait until I get home. I always liked music that wasn't
too serious - when I was a lad, Gong were one of my favourites. Quite
bonkers. Of course, I like serious music too, but not people
complaining about some woman, or about life in general.
I vaguely remember seeing Gong at Reading Town Hall (I think it was there),
but I was in almost as chaotic state as they were, so a haze has developed
over that part of my brain.
Judging by the vinyl releases, I don't think they were a particularly
inspiring live band :-)
I think that I only went to see them because at the time Bill Bruford was
their drummer, and I liked his style of drumming.
Well, Bill Bruford is certainly one of the Gods of percussion. His
first two solo LPs ('Bruford', 'One Of A Kind') are some of my
favourites. But at the time he was playing for Gong they'd evolved into
a fairly serious jazz-rock band.
I don’t have the two albums you mention, but I do have ‘Gradually Going
Tornado’ and a couple with Patrick Moraz; ‘Flags’ and ‘Music For
Piano And Drums’ although I haven’t listened to them for years.
Dan S. MacAbre
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I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it. It's so odd, it
just seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so. I like the
strange jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing. Like 'I can do
that', but in a good way :-) I even like the Howlin' Wolf imitation
voice.
XTC were asked to do a song for a Beefheart tribute album... so they
did Ella Guru, and it's practically indistinguishable from the
original. Just wish there was a video for this... it would great to
see Andy Partridge doing the main vocal.
http://youtu.be/fXdoAvXBBR4
A great song - and a very good cover. You can't help smiling when
listening to that :-)
You and I can't, but most people wouldn't smile at all. Most people
think music shouldn't be funny. Edward Barton got a brilliant response
from the audience on The Tube, but no-one bought his records.
http://youtu.be/Hf0YCvsXxZc
It'll have to wait until I get home. I always liked music that wasn't
too serious - when I was a lad, Gong were one of my favourites. Quite
bonkers. Of course, I like serious music too, but not people
complaining about some woman, or about life in general.
I vaguely remember seeing Gong at Reading Town Hall (I think it was there),
but I was in almost as chaotic state as they were, so a haze has developed
over that part of my brain.
Judging by the vinyl releases, I don't think they were a particularly
inspiring live band :-)
I think that I only went to see them because at the time Bill Bruford was
their drummer, and I liked his style of drumming.
Well, Bill Bruford is certainly one of the Gods of percussion. His
first two solo LPs ('Bruford', 'One Of A Kind') are some of my
favourites. But at the time he was playing for Gong they'd evolved into
a fairly serious jazz-rock band.
I don’t have the two albums you mention, but I do have ‘Gradually Going
Tornado’ and a couple with Patrick Moraz; ‘Flags’ and ‘Music For
Piano And Drums’ although I haven’t listened to them for years.
I have Gradually Going Tornado, but since Allan Holdsworth (who also did
a stint with Gong) isn't on it, I don't enjoy it nearly as much as the
first two.
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2018-05-23 11:33:31 UTC
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I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it. It's so odd, it
just seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so. I like the
strange jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing. Like 'I can do
that', but in a good way :-) I even like the Howlin' Wolf imitation
voice.
XTC were asked to do a song for a Beefheart tribute album... so they
did Ella Guru, and it's practically indistinguishable from the
original. Just wish there was a video for this... it would great to
see Andy Partridge doing the main vocal.
http://youtu.be/fXdoAvXBBR4
A great song - and a very good cover. You can't help smiling when
listening to that :-)
You and I can't, but most people wouldn't smile at all. Most people
think music shouldn't be funny. Edward Barton got a brilliant response
from the audience on The Tube, but no-one bought his records.
http://youtu.be/Hf0YCvsXxZc
It'll have to wait until I get home. I always liked music that wasn't
too serious - when I was a lad, Gong were one of my favourites. Quite
bonkers. Of course, I like serious music too, but not people
complaining about some woman, or about life in general.
I vaguely remember seeing Gong at Reading Town Hall (I think it was
there), but I was in almost as chaotic state as they were, so a haze has
developed over that part of my brain.
Judging by the vinyl releases, I don't think they were a particularly
inspiring live band :-)
I think that I only went to see them because at the time Bill Bruford was
their drummer, and I liked his style of drumming.
Well, Bill Bruford is certainly one of the Gods of percussion. His first
two solo LPs ('Bruford', 'One Of A Kind') are some of my favourites. But at
the time he was playing for Gong they'd evolved into a fairly serious
jazz-rock band.
I don’t have the two albums you mention, but I do have ‘Gradually Going
Tornado’ and a couple with Patrick Moraz; ‘Flags’ and ‘Music For Piano And
Drums’ although I haven’t listened to them for years.
I have Gradually Going Tornado, but since Allan Holdsworth (who also did a
stint with Gong) isn't on it, I don't enjoy it nearly as much as the first
two.
I know what you mean; Hecate Enthroned just wasn't the same after Jon Kennedy
left.
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2018-05-23 11:38:24 UTC
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I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it. It's so odd, it
just seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so. I like the
strange jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing. Like 'I can do
that', but in a good way :-) I even like the Howlin' Wolf imitation
voice.
XTC were asked to do a song for a Beefheart tribute album... so they
did Ella Guru, and it's practically indistinguishable from the
original. Just wish there was a video for this... it would great to
see Andy Partridge doing the main vocal.
http://youtu.be/fXdoAvXBBR4
A great song - and a very good cover. You can't help smiling when
listening to that :-)
You and I can't, but most people wouldn't smile at all. Most people
think music shouldn't be funny. Edward Barton got a brilliant response
from the audience on The Tube, but no-one bought his records.
http://youtu.be/Hf0YCvsXxZc
It'll have to wait until I get home. I always liked music that wasn't
too serious - when I was a lad, Gong were one of my favourites. Quite
bonkers. Of course, I like serious music too, but not people
complaining about some woman, or about life in general.
I vaguely remember seeing Gong at Reading Town Hall (I think it was
there), but I was in almost as chaotic state as they were, so a haze has
developed over that part of my brain.
Judging by the vinyl releases, I don't think they were a particularly
inspiring live band :-)
I think that I only went to see them because at the time Bill Bruford was
their drummer, and I liked his style of drumming.
Well, Bill Bruford is certainly one of the Gods of percussion. His first
two solo LPs ('Bruford', 'One Of A Kind') are some of my favourites. But at
the time he was playing for Gong they'd evolved into a fairly serious
jazz-rock band.
I don’t have the two albums you mention, but I do have ‘Gradually Going
Tornado’ and a couple with Patrick Moraz; ‘Flags’ and ‘Music For Piano And
Drums’ although I haven’t listened to them for years.
I have Gradually Going Tornado, but since Allan Holdsworth (who also did a
stint with Gong) isn't on it, I don't enjoy it nearly as much as the first
two.
I know what you mean; Hecate Enthroned just wasn't the same after Jon Kennedy
left.
I haven't heard of them; but yes, sometimes there is a single musician
that attracted you to the sound of a band in the first place.
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On 23 May 2018, Dan S. MacAbre wrote (in article
On 23 May 2018, Dan S. MacAbre wrote (in article
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On 23 May 2018, Dan S. MacAbre wrote (in article
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I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it. It's so odd,
it
just seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so. I like
the
strange jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing. Like 'I can do
that', but in a good way :-) I even like the Howlin' Wolf
imitation
voice.
XTC were asked to do a song for a Beefheart tribute album... so
they
did Ella Guru, and it's practically indistinguishable from the
original. Just wish there was a video for this... it would great
to
see Andy Partridge doing the main vocal.
http://youtu.be/fXdoAvXBBR4
A great song - and a very good cover. You can't help smiling when
listening to that :-)
You and I can't, but most people wouldn't smile at all. Most people
think music shouldn't be funny. Edward Barton got a brilliant
response
from the audience on The Tube, but no-one bought his records.
http://youtu.be/Hf0YCvsXxZc
It'll have to wait until I get home. I always liked music that wasn't
too serious - when I was a lad, Gong were one of my favourites. Quite
bonkers. Of course, I like serious music too, but not people
complaining about some woman, or about life in general.
I vaguely remember seeing Gong at Reading Town Hall (I think it was
there), but I was in almost as chaotic state as they were, so a haze
has
developed over that part of my brain.
Judging by the vinyl releases, I don't think they were a particularly
inspiring live band :-)
I think that I only went to see them because at the time Bill Bruford
was
their drummer, and I liked his style of drumming.
Well, Bill Bruford is certainly one of the Gods of percussion. His first
two solo LPs ('Bruford', 'One Of A Kind') are some of my favourites. But at
the time he was playing for Gong they'd evolved into a fairly serious
jazz-rock band.
I don’t have the two albums you mention, but I do have ‘Gradually Going
Tornado’ and a couple with Patrick Moraz; ‘Flags’ and ‘Music For
Piano And
Drums’ although I haven’t listened to them for years.
I have Gradually Going Tornado, but since Allan Holdsworth (who also did a
stint with Gong) isn't on it, I don't enjoy it nearly as much as the first
two.
I know what you mean; Hecate Enthroned just wasn't the same after Jon Kennedy
left.
I haven't heard of them; but yes, sometimes there is a single musician
that attracted you to the sound of a band in the first place.
I had to look them up. Heavy metal is not really my cup of tea.

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2018-05-23 09:48:42 UTC
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I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it. It's so odd, it
just seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so. I like the
strange jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing. Like 'I can do
that', but in a good way :-) I even like the Howlin' Wolf imitation
voice.
XTC were asked to do a song for a Beefheart tribute album... so they
did Ella Guru, and it's practically indistinguishable from the
original. Just wish there was a video for this... it would great to
see Andy Partridge doing the main vocal.
http://youtu.be/fXdoAvXBBR4
A great song - and a very good cover. You can't help smiling when
listening to that :-)
You and I can't, but most people wouldn't smile at all. Most people
think music shouldn't be funny. Edward Barton got a brilliant response
from the audience on The Tube, but no-one bought his records.
http://youtu.be/Hf0YCvsXxZc
It'll have to wait until I get home. I always liked music that wasn't
too serious - when I was a lad, Gong were one of my favourites. Quite
bonkers. Of course, I like serious music too, but not people
complaining about some woman, or about life in general.
I vaguely remember seeing Gong at Reading Town Hall (I think it was there),
but I was in almost as chaotic state as they were, so a haze has developed
over that part of my brain.
nothing changes
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Tim
2018-05-23 09:40:24 UTC
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I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it.  It's so odd, it
just seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so.  I like
the strange jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing.  Like 'I can do
that', but in a good way :-)  I even like the Howlin' Wolf
imitation voice.
XTC were asked to do a song for a Beefheart tribute album... so they
did Ella Guru, and it's practically indistinguishable from the
original. Just wish there was a video for this... it would great to
see Andy Partridge doing the main vocal.
http://youtu.be/fXdoAvXBBR4
A great song - and a very good cover.  You can't help smiling when
listening to that :-)
You and I can't, but most people wouldn't smile at all. Most people
think music shouldn't be funny. Edward Barton got a brilliant response
from the audience on The Tube, but no-one bought his records.
http://youtu.be/Hf0YCvsXxZc
It'll have to wait until I get home.  I always liked music that wasn't
too serious - when I was a lad, Gong were one of my favourites.  Quite
bonkers.  Of course, I like serious music too, but not people
complaining about some woman, or about life in general.
Is that Steve Hillage and flying teapots?
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2018-05-23 10:40:16 UTC
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I've got Trout Mask Replica, and I rather like it.  It's so odd,
it just seems to send you somewhere else for an hour or so.  I
like the strange jangly made-up-ness of the whole thing.  Like 'I
can do that', but in a good way :-)  I even like the Howlin' Wolf
imitation voice.
XTC were asked to do a song for a Beefheart tribute album... so
they did Ella Guru, and it's practically indistinguishable from the
original. Just wish there was a video for this... it would great to
see Andy Partridge doing the main vocal.
http://youtu.be/fXdoAvXBBR4
A great song - and a very good cover.  You can't help smiling when
listening to that :-)
You and I can't, but most people wouldn't smile at all. Most people
think music shouldn't be funny. Edward Barton got a brilliant
response from the audience on The Tube, but no-one bought his records.
http://youtu.be/Hf0YCvsXxZc
It'll have to wait until I get home.  I always liked music that wasn't
too serious - when I was a lad, Gong were one of my favourites.  Quite
bonkers.  Of course, I like serious music too, but not people
complaining about some woman, or about life in general.
Is that Steve Hillage and flying teapots?
That's the one. Hillage was something of a virtuoso.
Incubus
2018-05-15 11:56:48 UTC
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On 14 May 2018, Dan S. MacAbre wrote (in article
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My first record was The Jam "Absolute Beginners", but that's a bit lame,
This is not a competition, unlike every other right wing post on this ng.
Nobody's first music is “a bit lame”.
Music is completely subjective. The effect of certain tunes in your head,
is no better or worse than other tunes in mine; despite what the snobs
would like to have you believe.
Some people’s first single will have been “Sugar Sugar” by The Archies.
So what?
That was the first "kid's" pop song I remember liking, but I wasn't old
enough to buy stuff,
That is great.
And it didn’t hurt a bit.
We all have musical tastes, and no one should be able to claim that theirs is
better than anyone else’s.
My mother bought us “Two Little Boys” one Christmas because I was always
fighting with my brother.
We hated the song, but she loved it.
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
or I might have done. I think the first one I actually bought was Son Of My
Father by Chicory Tip (either that, or Life's A Carnival by The Band, or
Burlesque by Family - I can't remember which was first), and then I just
bought loads of T-Rex and Deep Purple stuff. My enduring favourites from the
time were things like Maggie May, which I'd say were a bit more
introspective, and music that a grown-up might still like to listen to.
Post by johnny-knowall
If it made them happy, then music has done its work.
I remember my cousin sending off for "Trout Mask Replica” from a big advert
on the back of Melody Maker in the late 1960s. The advert was for something
called Virgin Records, and he received the parcel while I was staying with
him for a week or so.
It was so weird (A squid eating dough in a polythene bag is fast and bulbous,
got me?) that it put me off double albums for a few years. The first one I
summoned up the nerve to buy was “Focus III”.
If you don't like Trout Mask Replica, don't try listening to Xasthur.
johnny-knowall
2018-05-15 12:12:14 UTC
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On 14 May 2018, Dan S. MacAbre wrote (in article
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Post by Basil Jet
My first record was The Jam "Absolute Beginners", but that's a bit lame,
This is not a competition, unlike every other right wing post on this ng.
Nobody's first music is “a bit lame”.
Music is completely subjective. The effect of certain tunes in your head,
is no better or worse than other tunes in mine; despite what the snobs
would like to have you believe.
Some people’s first single will have been “Sugar Sugar” by The Archies.
So what?
That was the first "kid's" pop song I remember liking, but I wasn't old
enough to buy stuff,
That is great.
And it didn’t hurt a bit.
We all have musical tastes, and no one should be able to claim that theirs is
better than anyone else’s.
My mother bought us “Two Little Boys” one Christmas because I was always
fighting with my brother.
We hated the song, but she loved it.
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
or I might have done. I think the first one I actually bought was Son Of My
Father by Chicory Tip (either that, or Life's A Carnival by The Band, or
Burlesque by Family - I can't remember which was first), and then I just
bought loads of T-Rex and Deep Purple stuff. My enduring favourites from the
time were things like Maggie May, which I'd say were a bit more
introspective, and music that a grown-up might still like to listen to.
Post by johnny-knowall
If it made them happy, then music has done its work.
I remember my cousin sending off for "Trout Mask Replica” from a big advert
on the back of Melody Maker in the late 1960s. The advert was for something
called Virgin Records, and he received the parcel while I was staying with
him for a week or so.
It was so weird (A squid eating dough in a polythene bag is fast and bulbous,
got me?) that it put me off double albums for a few years. The first one I
summoned up the nerve to buy was “Focus III”.
If you don't like Trout Mask Replica, don't try listening to Xasthur.
I just have, and it didn’t sound that unusual. A bit melancholy, that’s
all.
Incubus
2018-05-15 12:58:25 UTC
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On 14 May 2018, Dan S. MacAbre wrote (in article
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On 14 May 2018, Basil Jet wrote (in
Post by Basil Jet
My first record was The Jam "Absolute Beginners", but that's a bit lame,
This is not a competition, unlike every other right wing post on this ng.
Nobody's first music is “a bit lame”.
Music is completely subjective. The effect of certain tunes in your
head, is no better or worse than other tunes in mine; despite what the
snobs would like to have you believe.
Some people’s first single will have been “Sugar Sugar” by The
Archies. So what?
That was the first "kid's" pop song I remember liking, but I wasn't old
enough to buy stuff,
That is great.
And it didn’t hurt a bit.
We all have musical tastes, and no one should be able to claim that theirs
is better than anyone else’s.
My mother bought us “Two Little Boys” one Christmas because I was always
fighting with my brother.
We hated the song, but she loved it.
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
or I might have done. I think the first one I actually bought was Son Of
My Father by Chicory Tip (either that, or Life's A Carnival by The Band,
or Burlesque by Family - I can't remember which was first), and then I
just bought loads of T-Rex and Deep Purple stuff. My enduring favourites
from the time were things like Maggie May, which I'd say were a bit more
introspective, and music that a grown-up might still like to listen to.
If it made them happy, then music has done its work.
I remember my cousin sending off for "Trout Mask Replica” from a big
advert on the back of Melody Maker in the late 1960s. The advert was for
something called Virgin Records, and he received the parcel while I was
staying with him for a week or so.
It was so weird (A squid eating dough in a polythene bag is fast and
bulbous, got me?) that it put me off double albums for a few years. The
first one I summoned up the nerve to buy was “Focus III”.
If you don't like Trout Mask Replica, don't try listening to Xasthur.
I just have, and it didn’t sound that unusual. A bit melancholy, that’s all.
For most people, it's unlistenable. Try this:



In terms of melancholy, there's a band called 'Make a Change... Kill Yourself'
that particularly specialises in that.
johnny-knowall
2018-05-15 13:10:47 UTC
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On 14 May 2018, Dan S. MacAbre wrote (in article
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On 14 May 2018, Basil Jet wrote (in
Post by Basil Jet
My first record was The Jam "Absolute Beginners", but that's a bit
lame,
This is not a competition, unlike every other right wing post on this
ng.
Nobody's first music is “a bit lame”.
Music is completely subjective. The effect of certain tunes in your
head, is no better or worse than other tunes in mine; despite what the
snobs would like to have you believe.
Some people’s first single will have been “Sugar Sugar” by The
Archies. So what?
That was the first "kid's" pop song I remember liking, but I wasn't old
enough to buy stuff,
That is great.
And it didn’t hurt a bit.
We all have musical tastes, and no one should be able to claim that theirs
is better than anyone else’s.
My mother bought us “Two Little Boys” one Christmas because I was always
fighting with my brother.
We hated the song, but she loved it.
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
or I might have done. I think the first one I actually bought was Son Of
My Father by Chicory Tip (either that, or Life's A Carnival by The Band,
or Burlesque by Family - I can't remember which was first), and then I
just bought loads of T-Rex and Deep Purple stuff. My enduring favourites
from the time were things like Maggie May, which I'd say were a bit more
introspective, and music that a grown-up might still like to listen to.
If it made them happy, then music has done its work.
I remember my cousin sending off for "Trout Mask Replica” from a big
advert on the back of Melody Maker in the late 1960s. The advert was for
something called Virgin Records, and he received the parcel while I was
staying with him for a week or so.
It was so weird (A squid eating dough in a polythene bag is fast and
bulbous, got me?) that it put me off double albums for a few years. The
first one I summoned up the nerve to buy was “Focus III”.
If you don't like Trout Mask Replica, don't try listening to Xasthur.
I just have, and it didn’t sound that unusual. A bit melancholy, that’s all.
http://youtu.be/mXEmozEvCno
In terms of melancholy, there's a band called 'Make a Change... Kill Yourself'
that particularly specialises in that.
My eldest son used to be in a band which played that kind of music.
Incubus
2018-05-15 14:49:12 UTC
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On 14 May 2018, Dan S. MacAbre wrote (in article
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On 14 May 2018, Basil Jet wrote (in
Post by Basil Jet
My first record was The Jam "Absolute Beginners", but that's a
bit lame,
This is not a competition, unlike every other right wing post on
this ng.
Nobody's first music is “a bit lame”.
Music is completely subjective. The effect of certain tunes in
your head, is no better or worse than other tunes in mine; despite
what the snobs would like to have you believe.
Some people’s first single will have been “Sugar Sugar” by The
Archies. So what?
That was the first "kid's" pop song I remember liking, but I wasn't
old enough to buy stuff,
That is great.
And it didn’t hurt a bit.
We all have musical tastes, and no one should be able to claim that
theirs is better than anyone else’s.
My mother bought us “Two Little Boys” one Christmas because I was
always fighting with my brother.
We hated the song, but she loved it.
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
or I might have done. I think the first one I actually bought was
Son Of My Father by Chicory Tip (either that, or Life's A Carnival
by The Band, or Burlesque by Family - I can't remember which was
first), and then I just bought loads of T-Rex and Deep Purple stuff.
My enduring favourites from the time were things like Maggie May,
which I'd say were a bit more introspective, and music that a
grown-up might still like to listen to.
If it made them happy, then music has done its work.
I remember my cousin sending off for "Trout Mask Replica” from a big
advert on the back of Melody Maker in the late 1960s. The advert was
for something called Virgin Records, and he received the parcel while
I was staying with him for a week or so.
It was so weird (A squid eating dough in a polythene bag is fast and
bulbous, got me?) that it put me off double albums for a few years.
The first one I summoned up the nerve to buy was “Focus III”.
If you don't like Trout Mask Replica, don't try listening to Xasthur.
I just have, and it didn’t sound that unusual. A bit melancholy, that’s all.
http://youtu.be/mXEmozEvCno
In terms of melancholy, there's a band called 'Make a Change... Kill
Yourself' that particularly specialises in that.
My eldest son used to be in a band which played that kind of music.
Did they release anything? I'd be interested in listening to something.
johnny-knowall
2018-05-15 14:59:56 UTC
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On 14 May 2018, Dan S. MacAbre wrote (in article
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On 14 May 2018, Basil Jet wrote (in
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My first record was The Jam "Absolute Beginners", but that's a
bit lame,
This is not a competition, unlike every other right wing post on
this ng.
Nobody's first music is “a bit lame”.
Music is completely subjective. The effect of certain tunes in
your head, is no better or worse than other tunes in mine; despite
what the snobs would like to have you believe.
Some people’s first single will have been “Sugar Sugar” by The
Archies. So what?
That was the first "kid's" pop song I remember liking, but I wasn't
old enough to buy stuff,
That is great.
And it didn’t hurt a bit.
We all have musical tastes, and no one should be able to claim that
theirs is better than anyone else’s.
My mother bought us “Two Little Boys” one Christmas because I was
always fighting with my brother.
We hated the song, but she loved it.
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
or I might have done. I think the first one I actually bought was
Son Of My Father by Chicory Tip (either that, or Life's A Carnival
by The Band, or Burlesque by Family - I can't remember which was
first), and then I just bought loads of T-Rex and Deep Purple stuff.
My enduring favourites from the time were things like Maggie May,
which I'd say were a bit more introspective, and music that a
grown-up might still like to listen to.
If it made them happy, then music has done its work.
I remember my cousin sending off for "Trout Mask Replica” from a big
advert on the back of Melody Maker in the late 1960s. The advert was
for something called Virgin Records, and he received the parcel while
I was staying with him for a week or so.
It was so weird (A squid eating dough in a polythene bag is fast and
bulbous, got me?) that it put me off double albums for a few years.
The first one I summoned up the nerve to buy was “Focus III”.
If you don't like Trout Mask Replica, don't try listening to Xasthur.
I just have, and it didn’t sound that unusual. A bit melancholy, that’s
all.
http://youtu.be/mXEmozEvCno
In terms of melancholy, there's a band called 'Make a Change... Kill
Yourself' that particularly specialises in that.
My eldest son used to be in a band which played that kind of music.
Did they release anything? I'd be interested in listening to something.
They played on the local pub circuit in Leeds. I can’t remember their full
name, something Crisis is all I can recall.

They may have released a recording on social media. I think they had a
Myspace account when it was all the rage, but it was a few years back now and
I doubt it has survived.

They split up after about a year.
Basil Jet
2018-05-15 13:45:41 UTC
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http://youtu.be/mXEmozEvCno
I can listen to it, but I don't see the point.

I do like the image of the band on the cover of Metal Hammer this month.
https://www.myfavouritemagazines.co.uk/music/metal-hammer-magazine-subscription/

Crap music though.

Incubus
2018-05-15 14:50:19 UTC
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http://youtu.be/mXEmozEvCno
I can listen to it, but I don't see the point.
I do like the image of the band on the cover of Metal Hammer this month.
https://www.myfavouritemagazines.co.uk/music/metal-hammer-magazine-subscription/
Crap music though. http://youtu.be/vyQZ13jobIY
Their music is quite tame given there image.

I only listen to Cradle of Filth these days.
Ophelia
2018-05-15 19:09:52 UTC
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http://youtu.be/mXEmozEvCno
I can listen to it, but I don't see the point.
I do like the image of the band on the cover of Metal Hammer this month.
https://www.myfavouritemagazines.co.uk/music/metal-hammer-magazine-subscription/
Crap music though. http://youtu.be/vyQZ13jobIY
Their music is quite tame given there image.

I only listen to Cradle of Filth these days.

==

I know you play. Did you ever make a record?
Incubus
2018-05-16 08:40:11 UTC
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http://youtu.be/mXEmozEvCno
I can listen to it, but I don't see the point.
I do like the image of the band on the cover of Metal Hammer this month.
https://www.myfavouritemagazines.co.uk/music/metal-hammer-magazine-subscription/
Crap music though. http://youtu.be/vyQZ13jobIY
Their music is quite tame given there image.
I only listen to Cradle of Filth these days.
==
I know you play. Did you ever make a record?
A couple of EPs, a demo and a couple of self-recorded songs.
Ophelia
2018-05-16 16:24:25 UTC
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http://youtu.be/mXEmozEvCno
I can listen to it, but I don't see the point.
I do like the image of the band on the cover of Metal Hammer this month.
https://www.myfavouritemagazines.co.uk/music/metal-hammer-magazine-subscription/
Crap music though. http://youtu.be/vyQZ13jobIY
Their music is quite tame given there image.
I only listen to Cradle of Filth these days.
==
I know you play. Did you ever make a record?
A couple of EPs, a demo and a couple of self-recorded songs.

==

Ahh I would love to hear them:))
Basil Jet
2018-05-16 20:52:34 UTC
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http://youtu.be/mXEmozEvCno
I can listen to it, but I don't see the point.
I do like the image of the band on the cover of Metal Hammer this month.
https://www.myfavouritemagazines.co.uk/music/metal-hammer-magazine-subscription/
Crap music though. http://youtu.be/vyQZ13jobIY
Their music is quite tame given there image.
I only listen to Cradle of Filth these days.
==
I know you play.  Did you ever make a record?
A couple of EPs, a demo and a couple of self-recorded songs.
==
Ahh I would love to hear them:))
And then play them backwards to hear the real message.
Ophelia
2018-05-17 08:38:20 UTC
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http://youtu.be/mXEmozEvCno
I can listen to it, but I don't see the point.
I do like the image of the band on the cover of Metal Hammer this month.
https://www.myfavouritemagazines.co.uk/music/metal-hammer-magazine-subscription/
Crap music though. http://youtu.be/vyQZ13jobIY
Their music is quite tame given there image.
I only listen to Cradle of Filth these days.
==
I know you play. Did you ever make a record?
A couple of EPs, a demo and a couple of self-recorded songs.
==
Ahh I would love to hear them:))
And then play them backwards to hear the real message.

==

Sounds like fun <g>
Basil Jet
2018-05-15 23:08:38 UTC
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http://youtu.be/mXEmozEvCno
I can listen to it, but I don't see the point.
I do like the image of the band on the cover of Metal Hammer this month.
https://www.myfavouritemagazines.co.uk/music/metal-hammer-magazine-subscription/
Crap music though. http://youtu.be/vyQZ13jobIY
Their music is quite tame given there image.
Maybe disappointment is a genre these days. Horrifying people or
depressing people are old hat! We disappoint people!
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I only listen to Cradle of Filth these days.
I think I've asked you before, but did you used to use the moniker
"White Spirit"?
Basil Jet
2018-05-15 01:30:07 UTC
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My first record was The Jam "Absolute Beginners", but that's a bit lame,
This is not a competition, unlike every other right wing post on this ng.
Nobody's first music is “a bit lame”.
Music is completely subjective. The effect of certain tunes in your head, is
no better or worse than other tunes in mine; despite what the snobs would
like to have you believe.
Some people’s first single will have been “Sugar Sugar” by The Archies.
So what?
If it made them happy, then music has done its work.
If my post annoyed you, then my post has done its work.
Tim
2018-05-15 14:31:22 UTC
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My first record was The Jam "Absolute Beginners", but that's a bit lame,
This is not a competition, unlike every other right wing post on this ng.
Nobody's first music is “a bit lame”.
Music is completely subjective. The effect of certain tunes in your head, is
no better or worse than other tunes in mine; despite what the snobs would
like to have you believe.
Some people’s first single will have been “Sugar Sugar” by The Archies.
So what?
If it made them happy, then music has done its work.
Abraham, Martin and John-the Marvin Gaye version. I was 13. Late to buy
my first single.
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2018-05-14 15:34:48 UTC
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Oh yes! I remember the first record I bought:) It wasn't an LP though:)
Mine was Ultravox' 'Quartet' around 1982, I think. [...]
I bought “She Loves You” by The Beatles, [...].
My first album was “Aftermath” by The Stones, [...].
Hound Dog by 'Elvis. At 8 years old I felt a song about hate rather
than love made a refreshing change.
    "Ciribiribin on the Mandolin", by the Radio Revellers.  Eg, at
http://youtu.be/Ot7UeRooDoM for the curious.  Sorry.
There weren't any "albums" in those days.  Dad bought a second-hand
wind-up gramophone, which came with a stack of 78s, inc Liszt's 2nd
Hungarian Rhapsody, which was so loud it brought the turntable to a
halt unless you re-wound it half-way through the side.  That same day
I just had to go to the record shop, and CotM was in the bargain pile.
I think it was 1/3d.  I soon graduated to Tom Lehrer [who was 90 just
a few days ago];  not exactly "hate rather than love", but a degree of
anarchic cynicism that I've tried to retain throughout life.
The Ciribiri song has manifested itself in my consciousness a few times
in my life (still not sure where it was from, but probably a musical),
but the most unexpected time was the sight of an alleyway in St
Gimignano, Tuscany, by the name of... you've guessed it... Ciribiribin.
johnny-knowall
2018-05-14 16:09:02 UTC
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Oh yes! I remember the first record I bought:) It wasn't an LP though:)
Mine was Ultravox' 'Quartet' around 1982, I think. [...]
I bought “She Loves You” by The Beatles, [...].
My first album was “Aftermath” by The Stones, [...].
Hound Dog by 'Elvis. At 8 years old I felt a song about hate rather
than love made a refreshing change.
"Ciribiribin on the Mandolin", by the Radio Revellers. Eg, at
http://youtu.be/Ot7UeRooDoM for the curious. Sorry.
There weren't any "albums" in those days. Dad bought a second-hand
wind-up gramophone, which came with a stack of 78s, inc Liszt's 2nd
Hungarian Rhapsody, which was so loud it brought the turntable to a
halt unless you re-wound it half-way through the side. That same day
I just had to go to the record shop, and CotM was in the bargain pile.
I think it was 1/3d. I soon graduated to Tom Lehrer [who was 90 just
a few days ago]; not exactly "hate rather than love", but a degree of
anarchic cynicism that I've tried to retain throughout life.
The Ciribiri song has manifested itself in my consciousness a few times
in my life (still not sure where it was from, but probably a musical),
but the most unexpected time was the sight of an alleyway in St
Gimignano, Tuscany, by the name of... you've guessed it... Ciribiribin.
Is every thread destined to be all about you?

You are getting worse than Rowing every day....
JNugent
2018-05-14 16:25:04 UTC
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Oh yes! I remember the first record I bought:) It wasn't an LP though:)
Mine was Ultravox' 'Quartet' around 1982, I think. [...]
I bought “She Loves You” by The Beatles, [...].
My first album was “Aftermath” by The Stones, [...].
Hound Dog by 'Elvis. At 8 years old I felt a song about hate rather
than love made a refreshing change.
"Ciribiribin on the Mandolin", by the Radio Revellers. Eg, at
http://youtu.be/Ot7UeRooDoM for the curious. Sorry.
There weren't any "albums" in those days. Dad bought a second-hand
wind-up gramophone, which came with a stack of 78s, inc Liszt's 2nd
Hungarian Rhapsody, which was so loud it brought the turntable to a
halt unless you re-wound it half-way through the side. That same day
I just had to go to the record shop, and CotM was in the bargain pile.
I think it was 1/3d. I soon graduated to Tom Lehrer [who was 90 just
a few days ago]; not exactly "hate rather than love", but a degree of
anarchic cynicism that I've tried to retain throughout life.
The Ciribiri song has manifested itself in my consciousness a few times
in my life (still not sure where it was from, but probably a musical),
but the most unexpected time was the sight of an alleyway in St
Gimignano, Tuscany, by the name of... you've guessed it... Ciribiribin.
Is every thread destined to be all about you?
This one is about the composer of "Ciribiribin". Once heard, never
forgotten.
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You are getting worse than Rowing every day....
I've always been worse than Mel. Thank you for confirming it.
JNugent
2018-05-14 15:27:13 UTC
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Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship with
Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and came out
each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got £4/9s/03d a
week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
==
"...and if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe
you..." ...
When I started an apprenticeship at £4/9s/0d a week (net), that was wealth
undreamed of as far as I was concerned.
I gave £3 to my mother and kept £1/9s/0d for myself.
After a year or two when I was old enough under the Factories Act to work
overtime, working until midnight was enough to allow me to buy an LP that
weekend. I thought I was so favoured by the gods.
==
Oh yes! I remember the first record I bought:) It wasn't an LP though:)
Mine was Ultravox' 'Quartet' around 1982, I think. It was their latest album
and I was around six years old.
I bought “She Loves You” by The Beatles, and I think it cost about 4
shillings. That was a lot of money for me in those days, but my great aunt
(who could be relied upon to send a 10 shilling note in my birthday card)
surpassed herself by enclosing a pound note in 1963.
For four shillings, it would have had to be off the back of a lorry,
ex-jukebox or otherwise secondhand in some way. 45rpm singles were very
famously be priced at 6s 8d each in 1963, including Purchase Tax. Three
for a pound.
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I had riches beyond my wildest dreams, at least for a few hours. When she
found out what I had bought, she was not amused - her being a strict
Salvation Army type - and all future monetary donations were directed through
my parents, as I obviously could not be trusted.
Ouch! And the Beatles were seen as such a wholesome bunch of lads as
well - certainly compared to the Rolling Stones.
Post by johnny-knowall
My first album was “Aftermath” by The Stones, although I didn’t buy it
new - I bought it second hand off a mate who was trying to get enough cash to
buy an air rifle.
Ah...
johnny-knowall
2018-05-14 16:06:57 UTC
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Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think
Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship
with
Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and came
out
each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got
£4/9s/03d a
week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
==
"...and if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe
you..." ...
When I started an apprenticeship at £4/9s/0d a week (net), that was wealth
undreamed of as far as I was concerned.
I gave £3 to my mother and kept £1/9s/0d for myself.
After a year or two when I was old enough under the Factories Act to work
overtime, working until midnight was enough to allow me to buy an LP that
weekend. I thought I was so favoured by the gods.
==
Oh yes! I remember the first record I bought:) It wasn't an LP though:)
Mine was Ultravox' 'Quartet' around 1982, I think. It was their latest album
and I was around six years old.
I bought “She Loves You” by The Beatles, and I think it cost about 4
shillings. That was a lot of money for me in those days, but my great aunt
(who could be relied upon to send a 10 shilling note in my birthday card)
surpassed herself by enclosing a pound note in 1963.
For four shillings, it would have had to be off the back of a lorry,
ex-jukebox or otherwise secondhand in some way. 45rpm singles were very
famously be priced at 6s 8d each in 1963, including Purchase Tax. Three
for a pound.
Post by johnny-knowall
I had riches beyond my wildest dreams, at least for a few hours. When she
found out what I had bought, she was not amused - her being a strict
Salvation Army type - and all future monetary donations were directed through
my parents, as I obviously could not be trusted.
Ouch! And the Beatles were seen as such a wholesome bunch of lads as
well - certainly compared to the Rolling Stones.
Post by johnny-knowall
My first album was “Aftermath” by The Stones, although I didn’t buy it
new - I bought it second hand off a mate who was trying to get enough cash to
buy an air rifle.
Ah...
I think the sadness of your post, is that you felt the need to comment on
another person’s life story.

That is the problem with snobs.
JNugent
2018-05-14 16:20:56 UTC
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Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think
Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship with
Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and came out
each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got £4/9s/03d a
week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
==
"...and if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe
you..." ...
When I started an apprenticeship at £4/9s/0d a week (net), that was wealth
undreamed of as far as I was concerned.
I gave £3 to my mother and kept £1/9s/0d for myself.
After a year or two when I was old enough under the Factories Act to work
overtime, working until midnight was enough to allow me to buy an LP that
weekend. I thought I was so favoured by the gods.
==
Oh yes! I remember the first record I bought:) It wasn't an LP though:)
Mine was Ultravox' 'Quartet' around 1982, I think. It was their latest album
and I was around six years old.
I bought “She Loves You” by The Beatles, and I think it cost about 4
shillings. That was a lot of money for me in those days, but my great aunt
(who could be relied upon to send a 10 shilling note in my birthday card)
surpassed herself by enclosing a pound note in 1963.
For four shillings, it would have had to be off the back of a lorry,
ex-jukebox or otherwise secondhand in some way. 45rpm singles were very
famously be priced at 6s 8d each in 1963, including Purchase Tax. Three
for a pound.
Post by johnny-knowall
I had riches beyond my wildest dreams, at least for a few hours. When she
found out what I had bought, she was not amused - her being a strict
Salvation Army type - and all future monetary donations were directed through
my parents, as I obviously could not be trusted.
Ouch! And the Beatles were seen as such a wholesome bunch of lads as
well - certainly compared to the Rolling Stones.
Post by johnny-knowall
My first album was “Aftermath” by The Stones, although I didn’t buy it
new - I bought it second hand off a mate who was trying to get enough cash to
buy an air rifle.
Ah...
I think the sadness of your post, is that you felt the need to comment on
another person’s life story.
Mainly because insofar as it was recounted, it was remarkably similar to
the same bits of mine.
Post by johnny-knowall
That is the problem with snobs.
You think so?
johnny-knowall
2018-05-14 17:15:41 UTC
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Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think
Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship
with
Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and came
out
each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got
£4/9s/03d a
week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
==
"...and if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe
you..." ...
When I started an apprenticeship at £4/9s/0d a week (net), that was
wealth
undreamed of as far as I was concerned.
I gave £3 to my mother and kept £1/9s/0d for myself.
After a year or two when I was old enough under the Factories Act to
work
overtime, working until midnight was enough to allow me to buy an LP
that
weekend. I thought I was so favoured by the gods.
==
Oh yes! I remember the first record I bought:) It wasn't an LP though:)
Mine was Ultravox' 'Quartet' around 1982, I think. It was their latest
album
and I was around six years old.
I bought “She Loves You” by The Beatles, and I think it cost about 4
shillings. That was a lot of money for me in those days, but my great aunt
(who could be relied upon to send a 10 shilling note in my birthday card)
surpassed herself by enclosing a pound note in 1963.
For four shillings, it would have had to be off the back of a lorry,
ex-jukebox or otherwise secondhand in some way. 45rpm singles were very
famously be priced at 6s 8d each in 1963, including Purchase Tax. Three
for a pound.
Post by johnny-knowall
I had riches beyond my wildest dreams, at least for a few hours. When she
found out what I had bought, she was not amused - her being a strict
Salvation Army type - and all future monetary donations were directed through
my parents, as I obviously could not be trusted.
Ouch! And the Beatles were seen as such a wholesome bunch of lads as
well - certainly compared to the Rolling Stones.
Post by johnny-knowall
My first album was “Aftermath” by The Stones, although I didn’t buy it
new - I bought it second hand off a mate who was trying to get enough cash to
buy an air rifle.
Ah...
I think the sadness of your post, is that you felt the need to comment on
another person’s life story.
Mainly because insofar as it was recounted, it was remarkably similar to
the same bits of mine.
Post by johnny-knowall
That is the problem with snobs.
You think so?
Yes.

They post patronising replies.

Now read your post again, and work out (if you can) how you could have made
it less arrogant.
JNugent
2018-05-14 20:19:24 UTC
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Post by g***@walkerlincoln.co.uk
Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think
Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship with
Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and came out
each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got
£4/9s/03d a
week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
==
"...and if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe
you..." ...
When I started an apprenticeship at £4/9s/0d a week (net), that was wealth
undreamed of as far as I was concerned.
I gave £3 to my mother and kept £1/9s/0d for myself.
After a year or two when I was old enough under the Factories Act to work
overtime, working until midnight was enough to allow me to buy an LP that
weekend. I thought I was so favoured by the gods.
==
Oh yes! I remember the first record I bought:) It wasn't an LP though:)
Mine was Ultravox' 'Quartet' around 1982, I think. It was their latest album
and I was around six years old.
I bought “She Loves You” by The Beatles, and I think it cost about 4
shillings. That was a lot of money for me in those days, but my great aunt
(who could be relied upon to send a 10 shilling note in my birthday card)
surpassed herself by enclosing a pound note in 1963.
For four shillings, it would have had to be off the back of a lorry,
ex-jukebox or otherwise secondhand in some way. 45rpm singles were very
famously be priced at 6s 8d each in 1963, including Purchase Tax. Three
for a pound.
Post by johnny-knowall
I had riches beyond my wildest dreams, at least for a few hours. When she
found out what I had bought, she was not amused - her being a strict
Salvation Army type - and all future monetary donations were directed through
my parents, as I obviously could not be trusted.
Ouch! And the Beatles were seen as such a wholesome bunch of lads as
well - certainly compared to the Rolling Stones.
Post by johnny-knowall
My first album was “Aftermath” by The Stones, although I didn’t buy it
new - I bought it second hand off a mate who was trying to get enough cash to
buy an air rifle.
Ah...
I think the sadness of your post, is that you felt the need to comment on
another person’s life story.
Mainly because insofar as it was recounted, it was remarkably similar to
the same bits of mine.
Post by johnny-knowall
That is the problem with snobs.
You think so?
Yes.
They post patronising replies.
Now read your post again, and work out (if you can) how you could have made
it less arrogant.
With my economic / social class background, none of which I have ever
kept secret here, it is not possible for me to be arrogant.

But I do like accuracy.
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2018-05-14 16:13:28 UTC
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think
Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship
with
Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and came
out
each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got
£4/9s/03d a
week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
==
"...and if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe
you..." ...
When I started an apprenticeship at £4/9s/0d a week (net), that was wealth
undreamed of as far as I was concerned.
I gave £3 to my mother and kept £1/9s/0d for myself.
After a year or two when I was old enough under the Factories Act to work
overtime, working until midnight was enough to allow me to buy an LP that
weekend. I thought I was so favoured by the gods.
==
Oh yes! I remember the first record I bought:) It wasn't an LP though:)
Mine was Ultravox' 'Quartet' around 1982, I think. It was their latest album
and I was around six years old.
I bought “She Loves You” by The Beatles, and I think it cost about 4
shillings. That was a lot of money for me in those days, but my great aunt
(who could be relied upon to send a 10 shilling note in my birthday card)
surpassed herself by enclosing a pound note in 1963.
For four shillings, it would have had to be off the back of a lorry,
I have no idea.That is what I remember.
Post by JNugent
ex-jukebox or otherwise secondhand in some way. 45rpm singles were very
famously
Only famously for some. I couldn’t give a shit how much you paid for them.
Post by JNugent
be priced at 6s 8d each in 1963, including Purchase Tax. Three
for a pound.
Post by johnny-knowall
I had riches beyond my wildest dreams, at least for a few hours. When she
found out what I had bought, she was not amused - her being a strict
Salvation Army type - and all future monetary donations were directed through
my parents, as I obviously could not be trusted.
Ouch! And the Beatles were seen as such a wholesome bunch of lads as
well
Not in my family they weren’t. They were a one year wonder, according to my
mother.

But then, the rightards of this world can always fall back on hindsight in
order to appear to have the superior intellect.
Post by JNugent
- certainly compared to the Rolling Stones.
Post by johnny-knowall
My first album was “Aftermath” by The Stones, although I didn’t buy it
new - I bought it second hand off a mate who was trying to get enough cash to
buy an air rifle.
Ah...
JNugent
2018-05-14 16:32:21 UTC
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I bought “She Loves You” by The Beatles, and I think it cost about 4
shillings. That was a lot of money for me in those days, but my great aunt
(who could be relied upon to send a 10 shilling note in my birthday card)
surpassed herself by enclosing a pound note in 1963.
For four shillings, it would have had to be off the back of a lorry,
I have no idea.That is what I remember.
You don't know that it was not stolen goods?
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Post by JNugent
ex-jukebox or otherwise secondhand in some way. 45rpm singles were very
famously
Only famously for some. I couldn’t give a shit how much you paid for them.
Famously for most people. It must have been one of the most well-known
prices for goods in the whole country.
Post by johnny-knowall
Post by JNugent
be priced at 6s 8d each in 1963, including Purchase Tax. Three
for a pound.
You coud only pay less by buying stolen or secondhand copies, though one
other possibility would be to buy a cover version on Woolworth's
"Embassy" label.
Post by johnny-knowall
Post by JNugent
Post by johnny-knowall
I had riches beyond my wildest dreams, at least for a few hours. When she
found out what I had bought, she was not amused - her being a strict
Salvation Army type - and all future monetary donations were directed
through my parents, as I obviously could not be trusted.
Ouch! And the Beatles were seen as such a wholesome bunch of lads as
well
Not in my family they weren’t. They were a one year wonder, according to my
mother.
A minority view.
Post by johnny-knowall
But then, the rightards of this world can always fall back on hindsight in
order to appear to have the superior intellect.
No hindsight involved. That is the way it was at the time. The Beatles
were widely - almost universally - seen as impossibly clean, sober and
wholesome lads. That was the PR. We learned the truth later.

The Rolling Stones were perceived quite differently and were the object
of much adverse reporting.
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- certainly compared to the Rolling Stones.
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My first album was “Aftermath” by The Stones, although I didn’t buy it
new - I bought it second hand off a mate who was trying to get enough cash
to buy an air rifle.
Ah...
Ophelia
2018-05-15 19:09:48 UTC
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship with
Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and came out
each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I got £4/9s/03d a
week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
==
"...and if you tell that to the young people today, they won't believe
you..." ...
When I started an apprenticeship at £4/9s/0d a week (net), that was wealth
undreamed of as far as I was concerned.
I gave £3 to my mother and kept £1/9s/0d for myself.
After a year or two when I was old enough under the Factories Act to work
overtime, working until midnight was enough to allow me to buy an LP that
weekend. I thought I was so favoured by the gods.
==
Oh yes! I remember the first record I bought:) It wasn't an LP though:)
Mine was Ultravox' 'Quartet' around 1982, I think. It was their latest
album
and I was around six years old.

==

Ahh memories eh?:) I think mine was an Elvis one:)
JNugent
2018-05-11 17:02:16 UTC
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Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an apprenticeship
with Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the Mersey Tunnel) and
came out each week with less than £3. He couldn't believe it when I
got £4/9s/03d a week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
My friend (I've not long got off the phone to him) started work in the
spring of 1965, and he too got less than £3, though perhaps more than
£2/6s/0d.
Farmer Giles
2018-05-11 17:38:33 UTC
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Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an
apprenticeship with Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the
Mersey Tunnel) and came out each week with less than £3. He couldn't
believe it when I got £4/9s/03d a week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
My friend (I've not long got off the phone to him) started work in the
spring of 1965, and he too got less than £3, though perhaps more than
£2/6s/0d.
I wasn't complaining, we were all very happy at the time.
saracene
2018-05-11 17:41:53 UTC
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Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an
apprenticeship with Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the
Mersey Tunnel) and came out each week with less than £3. He couldn't
believe it when I got £4/9s/03d a week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
My friend (I've not long got off the phone to him) started work in the
spring of 1965, and he too got less than £3, though perhaps more than
£2/6s/0d.
I wasn't complaining, we were all very happy at the time.
As for me, my parents were dead so inherited half a house and gradually spent all the money. First I went to India for a year.
Farmer Giles
2018-05-11 17:45:30 UTC
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Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an
apprenticeship with Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the
Mersey Tunnel) and came out each week with less than £3. He couldn't
believe it when I got £4/9s/03d a week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
My friend (I've not long got off the phone to him) started work in the
spring of 1965, and he too got less than £3, though perhaps more than
£2/6s/0d.
I wasn't complaining, we were all very happy at the time.
As for me, my parents were dead so inherited half a house and gradually spent all the money. First I went to India for a year.
I wouldn't begrudge you that, sounds like you had a tough time.
JNugent
2018-05-11 18:44:01 UTC
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Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of the
working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an
apprenticeship with Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the
Mersey Tunnel) and came out each week with less than £3. He couldn't
believe it when I got £4/9s/03d a week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
My friend (I've not long got off the phone to him) started work in the
spring of 1965, and he too got less than £3, though perhaps more than
£2/6s/0d.
I wasn't complaining, we were all very happy at the time.
As for me, my parents were dead so inherited half a house and gradually spent all the money. First I went to India for a year.
Sounds intriguing, and certainly much less boring than usual.
JNugent
2018-05-11 18:43:19 UTC
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Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of
intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Twice as much as I got - including Saturdays as a normal part of
the working week.
Ah, but you're probably older then I am.
A friend of mine who left school a year earlier took an
apprenticeship with Cammell Laird (commuting by moped through the
Mersey Tunnel) and came out each week with less than £3. He couldn't
believe it when I got £4/9s/03d a week and much nearer home.
1961 when I started. Cycled eight miles each way for six days for my
forty-six shillings per week.
My friend (I've not long got off the phone to him) started work in the
spring of 1965, and he too got less than £3, though perhaps more than
£2/6s/0d.
I wasn't complaining, we were all very happy at the time.
Indeed. It is sometimes too easy to overlook that.
johnny-knowall
2018-05-11 17:29:36 UTC
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Is that what you pay?
JNugent
2018-05-11 18:41:45 UTC
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Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Yet another proposal by an unelected Trust/Foundation/Think Tank/Charity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Foundation
..."inter-generational fairness" FFS...
Perhaps they should be conscripted in the interests of intergenerational
fairness.
And made to work as apprentices for £4.45 a week (net)?
Is that what you pay?
You aren't worth that much to me (in any capacity which springs to mind)
so don't bother applying.

£4/9s/3d was my first full week's wages as an apprentice. I wish I'd
kept the payslip, but I do still have the LP I bought (for 12s/6d) out
of my share of those wages.
Ophelia
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"Omega" wrote in message news:pcril5$qcu$***@dont-email.me...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808

Bastards are after our money folks!

omega

==

Give them £10.000 free??? I wonder how we managed without that!

Yes, it is harder for today's young to get on the property ladder but it is
by no means impossible if they save instead of running around spending.

My grand daughter got married just over a year ago. They lived in a
converted garage in her mother's home and saved every penny. Husband is
still at uni, but he works every hour he can, and she works jolly hard too.
They saved up their deposit and they moved into their own house last month.

No, they don't have fancy tv's etc but they have their own home and are
buying things as they can afford them.

I see people being interviewed on tv in their sitting rooms with a huge tv
in the background and fancy furniture, talking about how the state is not
giving them enough money to live on.

I see them in the supermarkets with trolleys full of junk food. Eyes glued
to mobile phones and their little kids running wild. Just think how much
more they will be able to buy!

I am sure they will make good use of that £10k !!!
johnny-knowall
2018-05-08 11:22:46 UTC
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
==
Give them £10.000 free??? I wonder how we managed without that!
Yes, it is harder for today's young to get on the property ladder but it is
by no means impossible if they save instead of running around spending.
My grand daughter got married just over a year ago. They lived in a
converted garage in her mother's home and saved every penny. Husband is
still at uni, but he works every hour he can, and she works jolly hard too.
They saved up their deposit and they moved into their own house last month.
No, they don't have fancy tv's etc but they have their own home and are
buying things as they can afford them.
I see people being interviewed on tv in their sitting rooms with a huge tv
in the background and fancy furniture, talking about how the state is not
giving them enough money to live on.
I see them in the supermarkets with trolleys full of junk food. Eyes glued
to mobile phones and their little kids running wild. Just think how much
more they will be able to buy!
I am sure they will make good use of that £10k !!!
Exactly, £10k will soon be wasted on bottles of tequila, vodka; plus
everyday visits to various sushi places for lunch and take-aways for dinner,
the latest mobile phone, trainers and designer clothes.Followed by many
weekends clubbing where a bottle of Peroni costs £6.

In order to save for a deposit, my eldest daughter (vegetarian) lived on
pasta and tinned tomatoes for as long as it took. It is amazing how many
variations can be made by adding a few cheap ingredients/herbs/spices to a
tin of tomatoes; and then it is just a question of boiling a portion of pasta
(or rice).

She still buys most of her stuff second hand from local online buy/sell
sites, and although she gets nasty comments (I wouldn’t be seen dead
wearing that, etc) from some of her snob ‘friends’. However, she has now
upgraded to a 3-bedroom semi with her partner and two kids while the snobs
struggle to pay the rent on a flat because of their spendthrift ways.
Although the purchased house is in a pretty rundown state (the previous old
lady owner passed away) they are just doing up one room at a time as and when
finances permit. Mum and Dad give them help when it is needed, more gardening
or plants from our greenhouse/allotment than anything else, but soon they
will have a great place for the family.

She bakes her own bread and my wife and her mum-in-law make clothes for the
children, so with family help living doesn’t have to be too expensive.

Even holidays are possible if you get onto the seaside caravan email lists.
They often have bargain 4 nights @ £95 offers where vans remain unbooked in
any particular week. The grandkids don’t care if it is Lowestoft rather
than Lanzarote. They have fun on the beach wherever they are.
Dan S. MacAbre
2018-05-08 11:33:13 UTC
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
==
Give them £10.000 free??? I wonder how we managed without that!
Yes, it is harder for today's young to get on the property ladder but it is
by no means impossible if they save instead of running around spending.
My grand daughter got married just over a year ago. They lived in a
converted garage in her mother's home and saved every penny. Husband is
still at uni, but he works every hour he can, and she works jolly hard too.
They saved up their deposit and they moved into their own house last month.
No, they don't have fancy tv's etc but they have their own home and are
buying things as they can afford them.
I see people being interviewed on tv in their sitting rooms with a huge tv
in the background and fancy furniture, talking about how the state is not
giving them enough money to live on.
I see them in the supermarkets with trolleys full of junk food. Eyes glued
to mobile phones and their little kids running wild. Just think how much
more they will be able to buy!
I am sure they will make good use of that £10k !!!
Exactly, £10k will soon be wasted on bottles of tequila, vodka; plus
everyday visits to various sushi places for lunch and take-aways for dinner,
the latest mobile phone, trainers and designer clothes.Followed by many
weekends clubbing where a bottle of Peroni costs £6.
In order to save for a deposit, my eldest daughter (vegetarian) lived on
pasta and tinned tomatoes for as long as it took. It is amazing how many
variations can be made by adding a few cheap ingredients/herbs/spices to a
tin of tomatoes; and then it is just a question of boiling a portion of pasta
(or rice).
She still buys most of her stuff second hand from local online buy/sell
sites, and although she gets nasty comments (I wouldn’t be seen dead
wearing that, etc) from some of her snob ‘friends’. However, she has now
upgraded to a 3-bedroom semi with her partner and two kids while the snobs
struggle to pay the rent on a flat because of their spendthrift ways.
Although the purchased house is in a pretty rundown state (the previous old
lady owner passed away) they are just doing up one room at a time as and when
finances permit. Mum and Dad give them help when it is needed, more gardening
or plants from our greenhouse/allotment than anything else, but soon they
will have a great place for the family.
She bakes her own bread and my wife and her mum-in-law make clothes for the
children, so with family help living doesn’t have to be too expensive.
Even holidays are possible if you get onto the seaside caravan email lists.
any particular week. The grandkids don’t care if it is Lowestoft rather
than Lanzarote. They have fun on the beach wherever they are.
I'm always heartened to hear that there are still sensible people out
there. And a little saddened by the thought that one day, what they
have accrued by hard work will most likely be taken from them, and given
to people who never gave a damn.
Ophelia
2018-05-08 14:28:14 UTC
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Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
==
Give them £10.000 free??? I wonder how we managed without that!
Yes, it is harder for today's young to get on the property ladder but it is
by no means impossible if they save instead of running around spending.
My grand daughter got married just over a year ago. They lived in a
converted garage in her mother's home and saved every penny. Husband is
still at uni, but he works every hour he can, and she works jolly hard too.
They saved up their deposit and they moved into their own house last month.
No, they don't have fancy tv's etc but they have their own home and are
buying things as they can afford them.
I see people being interviewed on tv in their sitting rooms with a huge tv
in the background and fancy furniture, talking about how the state is not
giving them enough money to live on.
I see them in the supermarkets with trolleys full of junk food. Eyes glued
to mobile phones and their little kids running wild. Just think how much
more they will be able to buy!
I am sure they will make good use of that £10k !!!
Exactly, £10k will soon be wasted on bottles of tequila, vodka; plus
everyday visits to various sushi places for lunch and take-aways for dinner,
the latest mobile phone, trainers and designer clothes.Followed by many
weekends clubbing where a bottle of Peroni costs £6.
In order to save for a deposit, my eldest daughter (vegetarian) lived on
pasta and tinned tomatoes for as long as it took. It is amazing how many
variations can be made by adding a few cheap ingredients/herbs/spices to a
tin of tomatoes; and then it is just a question of boiling a portion of pasta
(or rice).
She still buys most of her stuff second hand from local online buy/sell
sites, and although she gets nasty comments (I wouldn’t be seen dead
wearing that, etc) from some of her snob ‘friends’. However, she has now
upgraded to a 3-bedroom semi with her partner and two kids while the snobs
struggle to pay the rent on a flat because of their spendthrift ways.
Although the purchased house is in a pretty rundown state (the previous old
lady owner passed away) they are just doing up one room at a time as and when
finances permit. Mum and Dad give them help when it is needed, more gardening
or plants from our greenhouse/allotment than anything else, but soon they
will have a great place for the family.
She bakes her own bread and my wife and her mum-in-law make clothes for the
children, so with family help living doesn’t have to be too expensive.
Even holidays are possible if you get onto the seaside caravan email lists.
any particular week. The grandkids don’t care if it is Lowestoft rather
than Lanzarote. They have fun on the beach wherever they are.
I'm always heartened to hear that there are still sensible people out
there. And a little saddened by the thought that one day, what they
have accrued by hard work will most likely be taken from them, and given
to people who never gave a damn.

=

Let us hope by that time, things might have changed, but I won't hold my
breath:(
johnny-knowall
2018-05-08 17:27:54 UTC
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
==
Give them £10.000 free??? I wonder how we managed without that!
Yes, it is harder for today's young to get on the property ladder but it is
by no means impossible if they save instead of running around spending.
My grand daughter got married just over a year ago. They lived in a
converted garage in her mother's home and saved every penny. Husband is
still at uni, but he works every hour he can, and she works jolly hard too.
They saved up their deposit and they moved into their own house last month.
No, they don't have fancy tv's etc but they have their own home and are
buying things as they can afford them.
I see people being interviewed on tv in their sitting rooms with a huge tv
in the background and fancy furniture, talking about how the state is not
giving them enough money to live on.
I see them in the supermarkets with trolleys full of junk food. Eyes glued
to mobile phones and their little kids running wild. Just think how much
more they will be able to buy!
I am sure they will make good use of that £10k !!!
Exactly, £10k will soon be wasted on bottles of tequila, vodka; plus
everyday visits to various sushi places for lunch and take-aways for dinner,
the latest mobile phone, trainers and designer clothes.Followed by many
weekends clubbing where a bottle of Peroni costs £6.
In order to save for a deposit, my eldest daughter (vegetarian) lived on
pasta and tinned tomatoes for as long as it took. It is amazing how many
variations can be made by adding a few cheap ingredients/herbs/spices to a
tin of tomatoes; and then it is just a question of boiling a portion of pasta
(or rice).
She still buys most of her stuff second hand from local online buy/sell
sites, and although she gets nasty comments (I wouldn’t be seen dead
wearing that, etc) from some of her snob ‘friends’. However, she has now
upgraded to a 3-bedroom semi with her partner and two kids while the snobs
struggle to pay the rent on a flat because of their spendthrift ways.
Although the purchased house is in a pretty rundown state (the previous old
lady owner passed away) they are just doing up one room at a time as and when
finances permit. Mum and Dad give them help when it is needed, more gardening
or plants from our greenhouse/allotment than anything else, but soon they
will have a great place for the family.
She bakes her own bread and my wife and her mum-in-law make clothes for the
children, so with family help living doesn’t have to be too expensive.
Even holidays are possible if you get onto the seaside caravan email lists.
any particular week. The grandkids don’t care if it is Lowestoft rather
than Lanzarote. They have fun on the beach wherever they are.
I'm always heartened to hear that there are still sensible people out
there. And a little saddened by the thought that one day, what they
have accrued by hard work will most likely be taken from them, and given
to people who never gave a damn.
I brought all of my children up to realise that hard work and maybe having to
start at the bottom and work their way up (irrespective of their academic
qualifications), was the way to go.

My youngest (dyslexic) son was really keen on working outdoors and gained few
GCSEs, but at 16 was offered a minimum wage job at a local tree nursery where
he had to cycle 3 miles each day to work.

We (cynics that the two of us are) gave him 8 weeks before he packed it in;
but he stayed there for 10 years and loved it, and showed such enthusiasm
that his boss sent him on various courses at agricultural college.

He has moved on, but is now almost his own boss at the local zoo gardens as
the senior horticulturalist there.
Ophelia
2018-05-09 10:06:37 UTC
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
==
Give them £10.000 free??? I wonder how we managed without that!
Yes, it is harder for today's young to get on the property ladder but it is
by no means impossible if they save instead of running around spending.
My grand daughter got married just over a year ago. They lived in a
converted garage in her mother's home and saved every penny. Husband is
still at uni, but he works every hour he can, and she works jolly hard too.
They saved up their deposit and they moved into their own house last month.
No, they don't have fancy tv's etc but they have their own home and are
buying things as they can afford them.
I see people being interviewed on tv in their sitting rooms with a huge tv
in the background and fancy furniture, talking about how the state is not
giving them enough money to live on.
I see them in the supermarkets with trolleys full of junk food. Eyes glued
to mobile phones and their little kids running wild. Just think how much
more they will be able to buy!
I am sure they will make good use of that £10k !!!
Exactly, £10k will soon be wasted on bottles of tequila, vodka; plus
everyday visits to various sushi places for lunch and take-aways for dinner,
the latest mobile phone, trainers and designer clothes.Followed by many
weekends clubbing where a bottle of Peroni costs £6.
In order to save for a deposit, my eldest daughter (vegetarian) lived on
pasta and tinned tomatoes for as long as it took. It is amazing how many
variations can be made by adding a few cheap ingredients/herbs/spices to a
tin of tomatoes; and then it is just a question of boiling a portion of pasta
(or rice).
She still buys most of her stuff second hand from local online buy/sell
sites, and although she gets nasty comments (I wouldn’t be seen dead
wearing that, etc) from some of her snob ‘friends’. However, she has now
upgraded to a 3-bedroom semi with her partner and two kids while the snobs
struggle to pay the rent on a flat because of their spendthrift ways.
Although the purchased house is in a pretty rundown state (the previous old
lady owner passed away) they are just doing up one room at a time as and when
finances permit. Mum and Dad give them help when it is needed, more gardening
or plants from our greenhouse/allotment than anything else, but soon they
will have a great place for the family.
She bakes her own bread and my wife and her mum-in-law make clothes for the
children, so with family help living doesn’t have to be too expensive.
Even holidays are possible if you get onto the seaside caravan email lists.
any particular week. The grandkids don’t care if it is Lowestoft rather
than Lanzarote. They have fun on the beach wherever they are.
I'm always heartened to hear that there are still sensible people out
there. And a little saddened by the thought that one day, what they
have accrued by hard work will most likely be taken from them, and given
to people who never gave a damn.
I brought all of my children up to realise that hard work and maybe having
to
start at the bottom and work their way up (irrespective of their academic
qualifications), was the way to go.

My youngest (dyslexic) son was really keen on working outdoors and gained
few
GCSEs, but at 16 was offered a minimum wage job at a local tree nursery
where
he had to cycle 3 miles each day to work.

We (cynics that the two of us are) gave him 8 weeks before he packed it in;
but he stayed there for 10 years and loved it, and showed such enthusiasm
that his boss sent him on various courses at agricultural college.

He has moved on, but is now almost his own boss at the local zoo gardens as
the senior horticulturalist there.

==

Well done! You must be very proud of him:))
Ophelia
2018-05-08 14:29:18 UTC
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Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
==
Give them £10.000 free??? I wonder how we managed without that!
Yes, it is harder for today's young to get on the property ladder but it is
by no means impossible if they save instead of running around spending.
My grand daughter got married just over a year ago. They lived in a
converted garage in her mother's home and saved every penny. Husband is
still at uni, but he works every hour he can, and she works jolly hard too.
They saved up their deposit and they moved into their own house last month.
No, they don't have fancy tv's etc but they have their own home and are
buying things as they can afford them.
I see people being interviewed on tv in their sitting rooms with a huge tv
in the background and fancy furniture, talking about how the state is not
giving them enough money to live on.
I see them in the supermarkets with trolleys full of junk food. Eyes glued
to mobile phones and their little kids running wild. Just think how much
more they will be able to buy!
I am sure they will make good use of that £10k !!!
Exactly, £10k will soon be wasted on bottles of tequila, vodka; plus
everyday visits to various sushi places for lunch and take-aways for dinner,
the latest mobile phone, trainers and designer clothes.Followed by many
weekends clubbing where a bottle of Peroni costs £6.

In order to save for a deposit, my eldest daughter (vegetarian) lived on
pasta and tinned tomatoes for as long as it took. It is amazing how many
variations can be made by adding a few cheap ingredients/herbs/spices to a
tin of tomatoes; and then it is just a question of boiling a portion of
pasta
(or rice).

She still buys most of her stuff second hand from local online buy/sell
sites, and although she gets nasty comments (I wouldn’t be seen dead
wearing that, etc) from some of her snob ‘friends’. However, she has now
upgraded to a 3-bedroom semi with her partner and two kids while the snobs
struggle to pay the rent on a flat because of their spendthrift ways.
Although the purchased house is in a pretty rundown state (the previous old
lady owner passed away) they are just doing up one room at a time as and
when
finances permit. Mum and Dad give them help when it is needed, more
gardening
or plants from our greenhouse/allotment than anything else, but soon they
will have a great place for the family.

She bakes her own bread and my wife and her mum-in-law make clothes for the
children, so with family help living doesn’t have to be too expensive.

Even holidays are possible if you get onto the seaside caravan email lists.
They often have bargain 4 nights @ £95 offers where vans remain unbooked in
any particular week. The grandkids don’t care if it is Lowestoft rather
than Lanzarote. They have fun on the beach wherever they are.

==

Brilliant:) We have good families:) Oh and btw, I still make my own bread
and taught her to do the same:)) At the weekend or when she gets a day off
she enjoys doing that:)) She works full time:)
The Iceberg
2018-05-09 09:32:22 UTC
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Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
==
Give them £10.000 free??? I wonder how we managed without that!
Yes, it is harder for today's young to get on the property ladder but it is
by no means impossible if they save instead of running around spending.
My grand daughter got married just over a year ago. They lived in a
converted garage in her mother's home and saved every penny. Husband is
still at uni, but he works every hour he can, and she works jolly hard too.
They saved up their deposit and they moved into their own house last month.
No, they don't have fancy tv's etc but they have their own home and are
buying things as they can afford them.
I see people being interviewed on tv in their sitting rooms with a huge tv
in the background and fancy furniture, talking about how the state is not
giving them enough money to live on.
I see them in the supermarkets with trolleys full of junk food. Eyes glued
to mobile phones and their little kids running wild. Just think how much
more they will be able to buy!
I am sure they will make good use of that £10k !!!
Exactly, £10k will soon be wasted on bottles of tequila, vodka; plus
everyday visits to various sushi places for lunch and take-aways for dinner,
the latest mobile phone, trainers and designer clothes.Followed by many
weekends clubbing where a bottle of Peroni costs £6.
In order to save for a deposit, my eldest daughter (vegetarian) lived on
pasta and tinned tomatoes for as long as it took. It is amazing how many
variations can be made by adding a few cheap ingredients/herbs/spices to a
tin of tomatoes; and then it is just a question of boiling a portion of pasta
(or rice).
She still buys most of her stuff second hand from local online buy/sell
sites, and although she gets nasty comments (I wouldn’t be seen dead
wearing that, etc) from some of her snob ‘friends’. However, she has now
upgraded to a 3-bedroom semi with her partner and two kids while the snobs
struggle to pay the rent on a flat because of their spendthrift ways.
Although the purchased house is in a pretty rundown state (the previous old
lady owner passed away) they are just doing up one room at a time as and when
finances permit. Mum and Dad give them help when it is needed, more gardening
or plants from our greenhouse/allotment than anything else, but soon they
will have a great place for the family.
She bakes her own bread and my wife and her mum-in-law make clothes for the
children, so with family help living doesn’t have to be too expensive.
Even holidays are possible if you get onto the seaside caravan email lists.
any particular week. The grandkids don’t care if it is Lowestoft rather
than Lanzarote. They have fun on the beach wherever they are.
==
Brilliant:) We have good families:) Oh and btw, I still make my own bread
and taught her to do the same:)) At the weekend or when she gets a day off
she enjoys doing that:)) She works full time:)
this is really nice to hear! bet this Lord Willetts and co charged well over £10k to come up with this nonsense too.
Ophelia
2018-05-09 10:09:57 UTC
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Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
==
Give them £10.000 free??? I wonder how we managed without that!
Yes, it is harder for today's young to get on the property ladder but it is
by no means impossible if they save instead of running around spending.
My grand daughter got married just over a year ago. They lived in a
converted garage in her mother's home and saved every penny. Husband is
still at uni, but he works every hour he can, and she works jolly hard too.
They saved up their deposit and they moved into their own house last month.
No, they don't have fancy tv's etc but they have their own home and are
buying things as they can afford them.
I see people being interviewed on tv in their sitting rooms with a huge tv
in the background and fancy furniture, talking about how the state is not
giving them enough money to live on.
I see them in the supermarkets with trolleys full of junk food. Eyes glued
to mobile phones and their little kids running wild. Just think how much
more they will be able to buy!
I am sure they will make good use of that £10k !!!
Exactly, £10k will soon be wasted on bottles of tequila, vodka; plus
everyday visits to various sushi places for lunch and take-aways for dinner,
the latest mobile phone, trainers and designer clothes.Followed by many
weekends clubbing where a bottle of Peroni costs £6.
In order to save for a deposit, my eldest daughter (vegetarian) lived on
pasta and tinned tomatoes for as long as it took. It is amazing how many
variations can be made by adding a few cheap ingredients/herbs/spices to a
tin of tomatoes; and then it is just a question of boiling a portion of pasta
(or rice).
She still buys most of her stuff second hand from local online buy/sell
sites, and although she gets nasty comments (I wouldn’t be seen dead
wearing that, etc) from some of her snob ‘friends’. However, she has now
upgraded to a 3-bedroom semi with her partner and two kids while the snobs
struggle to pay the rent on a flat because of their spendthrift ways.
Although the purchased house is in a pretty rundown state (the previous old
lady owner passed away) they are just doing up one room at a time as and when
finances permit. Mum and Dad give them help when it is needed, more gardening
or plants from our greenhouse/allotment than anything else, but soon they
will have a great place for the family.
She bakes her own bread and my wife and her mum-in-law make clothes for the
children, so with family help living doesn’t have to be too expensive.
Even holidays are possible if you get onto the seaside caravan email lists.
any particular week. The grandkids don’t care if it is Lowestoft rather
than Lanzarote. They have fun on the beach wherever they are.
==
Brilliant:) We have good families:) Oh and btw, I still make my own bread
and taught her to do the same:)) At the weekend or when she gets a day off
she enjoys doing that:)) She works full time:)
this is really nice to hear! bet this Lord Willetts and co charged well over
£10k to come up with this nonsense too.

==

No doubt:(
Ophelia
2018-05-08 14:31:04 UTC
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Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
==
Give them £10.000 free??? I wonder how we managed without that!
Yes, it is harder for today's young to get on the property ladder but it is
by no means impossible if they save instead of running around spending.
My grand daughter got married just over a year ago. They lived in a
converted garage in her mother's home and saved every penny. Husband is
still at uni, but he works every hour he can, and she works jolly hard too.
They saved up their deposit and they moved into their own house last month.
No, they don't have fancy tv's etc but they have their own home and are
buying things as they can afford them.
I see people being interviewed on tv in their sitting rooms with a huge tv
in the background and fancy furniture, talking about how the state is not
giving them enough money to live on.
I see them in the supermarkets with trolleys full of junk food. Eyes glued
to mobile phones and their little kids running wild. Just think how much
more they will be able to buy!
I am sure they will make good use of that £10k !!!
Exactly, £10k will soon be wasted on bottles of tequila, vodka; plus
everyday visits to various sushi places for lunch and take-aways for dinner,
the latest mobile phone, trainers and designer clothes.Followed by many
weekends clubbing where a bottle of Peroni costs £6.

In order to save for a deposit, my eldest daughter (vegetarian) lived on
pasta and tinned tomatoes for as long as it took. It is amazing how many
variations can be made by adding a few cheap ingredients/herbs/spices to a
tin of tomatoes; and then it is just a question of boiling a portion of
pasta
(or rice).

She still buys most of her stuff second hand from local online buy/sell
sites, and although she gets nasty comments (I wouldn’t be seen dead
wearing that, etc) from some of her snob ‘friends’. However, she has now
upgraded to a 3-bedroom semi with her partner and two kids while the snobs
struggle to pay the rent on a flat because of their spendthrift ways.
Although the purchased house is in a pretty rundown state (the previous old
lady owner passed away) they are just doing up one room at a time as and
when
finances permit. Mum and Dad give them help when it is needed, more
gardening
or plants from our greenhouse/allotment than anything else, but soon they
will have a great place for the family.

She bakes her own bread and my wife and her mum-in-law make clothes for the
children, so with family help living doesn’t have to be too expensive.

Even holidays are possible if you get onto the seaside caravan email lists.
They often have bargain 4 nights @ £95 offers where vans remain unbooked in
any particular week. The grandkids don’t care if it is Lowestoft rather
than Lanzarote. They have fun on the beach wherever they are.

==

Brilliant:) We have good families:) Oh and btw, I still make my own bread
and taught her to do the same:)) She works full time but she will do that
at the weekend or when she gets a day off, she enjoys making it :)
Col
2018-05-08 16:59:03 UTC
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I am sure they will make good use of that £10k !!!
Oh look, free money!
And if all that money suddenly does start sloshing around the housing
market, won't it just push house price inflation even higher and may
result in potential buyers being no better off anyway?
--
Col
Ophelia
2018-05-08 17:21:41 UTC
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I am sure they will make good use of that £10k !!!
Oh look, free money!
And if all that money suddenly does start sloshing around the housing
market, won't it just push house price inflation even higher and may
result in potential buyers being no better off anyway?

Col

==

Very likely, but think of all the free parties! :)
Joe
2018-05-08 17:25:15 UTC
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Post by Col
Post by Ophelia
I am sure they will make good use of that £10k !!!
Oh look, free money!
And if all that money suddenly does start sloshing around the housing
market, won't it just push house price inflation even higher and may
result in potential buyers being no better off anyway?
Indeed. So many people don't realise that printing money is pushing on
the proverbial piece of string. Higher standards of living require more
goods and services, not just the money to buy them. Governments can't
print goods or services (if they could, they wouldn't need people...)

If government genuinely wanted to improve the overall standard of
living of its population, it would get out of the way of private
enterprise, capitalism, that can produce things people want to spend
that money on, since governments certainly can't.
--
Joe
Vidcapper
2018-05-09 06:59:57 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I am sure they will make good use of that £10k !!!
Oh look, free money!
Yes - just the thing to buy the latest designer Smart Phone... :p
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
abelard
2018-05-09 09:29:45 UTC
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Post by Col
Post by Ophelia
I am sure they will make good use of that £10k !!!
Oh look, free money!
And if all that money suddenly does start sloshing around the housing
market, won't it just push house price inflation even higher and may
result in potential buyers being no better off anyway?
not if they spend it on a fifth hand ferrari....

which will last for 300 miles...and then give the garage
£30k work they otherwise would not have

and the price of smarties will go up by another penny
--
www.abelard.org
pamela
2018-05-08 19:26:30 UTC
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"Omega" wrote in message news:pcril5$qcu$***@dont-email.me...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808

Bastards are after our money folks!

omega

==

Give them £10.000 free??? I wonder how we managed without that!

Yes, it is harder for today's young to get on the property ladder
but it is by no means impossible if they save instead of running
around spending.

My grand daughter got married just over a year ago. They lived in a
converted garage in her mother's home and saved every penny.
Husband is still at uni, but he works every hour he can, and she
works jolly hard too. They saved up their deposit and they moved
into their own house last month.

No, they don't have fancy tv's etc but they have their own home and
are buying things as they can afford them.

I see people being interviewed on tv in their sitting rooms with a
huge tv in the background and fancy furniture, talking about how the
state is not giving them enough money to live on.

I see them in the supermarkets with trolleys full of junk food. Eyes
glued to mobile phones and their little kids running wild. Just
think how much more they will be able to buy!

I am sure they will make good use of that £10k !!!

=======

Assuming you mean £10,000 ...........

+1
pamela
2018-05-08 19:23:37 UTC
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Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Those obese younger faces look as if they might keel over before too
long.
Dan S. MacAbre
2018-05-08 19:56:14 UTC
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Post by pamela
Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Those obese younger faces look as if they might keel over before too
long.
Can you even see their faces? They all seem to hide behind black
thick-rimmed pretend specs, for some reason.
Ophelia
2018-05-09 10:08:53 UTC
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Post by pamela
Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Those obese younger faces look as if they might keel over before too
long.
Can you even see their faces? They all seem to hide behind black
thick-rimmed pretend specs, for some reason.

==

They would do better getting the homeless off the streets first.
pamela
2018-05-09 18:22:43 UTC
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Post by pamela
Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
Those obese younger faces look as if they might keel over before too
long.
Can you even see their faces? They all seem to hide behind black
thick-rimmed pretend specs, for some reason.
Such a strange fashion.
Vidcapper
2018-05-15 06:15:51 UTC
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Post by Omega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
Bastards are after our money folks!
omega
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5726325/Millennials-twice-likely-suffer-stress-baby-boomers.html
Hardly a surprise, given they are wrapped in cotton wool until they
leave uni, only to find the real world doesn't care about their foibles...
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
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