The dark side of black people, by Leighton Levy.

Post by Glenn
http://www.jamaica-star.com/thestar/20050902/cleisure/cleisure1.html
No white looters?

Chill out dude! You are looking at a mass of stressed out black people and
seeing a few black looters. There are plenty of white looters but they have
higher privilege and access. You want to see white looters, you have to
look in the Enrons, the Tycos, the World Coms, the Halliburtons, the Carlyle
Groups. The white eye watches the black looter and sees them even when they
don't exist. The white eye only sees the white looter when they catch the
white hand in their own pocket.

Randy R. Cox

Guy

2005-09-04 23:48:18 UTC

Post by Randy Cox

Post by Glenn
http://www.jamaica-star.com/thestar/20050902/cleisure/cleisure1.html
No white looters?

Chill out dude! You are looking at a mass of stressed out black people
and seeing a few black looters. There are plenty of white looters but
they have higher privilege and access. You want to see white looters, you
have to look in the Enrons, the Tycos, the World Coms, the Halliburtons,
the Carlyle Groups. The white eye watches the black looter and sees them
even when they don't exist. The white eye only sees the white looter when
they catch the white hand in their own pocket.
Randy R. Cox

The white looters are still at it, looting Americans of money every time
they fill up their vehicles. These oil company pigs are draining billions of
dollars from the economy that could be better used to help in the relief
effort.

Randy Cox

2005-09-05 03:07:24 UTC

Post by Guy

Post by Randy Cox

Post by Glenn
http://www.jamaica-star.com/thestar/20050902/cleisure/cleisure1.html
No white looters?

Chill out dude! You are looking at a mass of stressed out black people
and seeing a few black looters. There are plenty of white looters but
they have higher privilege and access. You want to see white looters,
you have to look in the Enrons, the Tycos, the World Coms, the
Halliburtons, the Carlyle Groups. The white eye watches the black looter
and sees them even when they don't exist. The white eye only sees the
white looter when they catch the white hand in their own pocket.
Randy R. Cox

The white looters are still at it, looting Americans of money every time
they fill up their vehicles. These oil company pigs are draining billions
of dollars from the economy that could be better used to help in the
relief effort.

My family comes from the oil industry. I am a native Texan. Oil men pride
themselves on being conservative and staunch free market supporters. What a
crock! The "awl bidness" is not a free market industry. It is highly
controlled by the Railroad commission (in Texas) and they have these things
called allowable that limit the amount of oil that can be pumped in a given
amount of time. I'm not knocking allowable...they make sense...but they
certainly are not "free market" events. The people most protected by
regulation are the loudest mouths praising free market.

We live so many lies in our lives! Life is a mystery and a great Irony. I
love it, but one thing the economy is not.....is free market.

Randy R. Cox

Stan Pierce

2005-09-05 04:35:18 UTC

"Randy Cox" <***@airmail.net> wrote in message news:***@corp.supernews.com...
(snipped)

Post by Randy Cox
My family comes from the oil industry. I am a native Texan. Oil men pride
themselves on being conservative and staunch free market supporters. What a
crock! The "awl bidness" is not a free market industry. It is highly
controlled by the Railroad commission (in Texas) and they have these things
called allowable that limit the amount of oil that can be pumped in a given
amount of time. I'm not knocking allowable...they make sense...but they
certainly are not "free market" events. The people most protected by
regulation are the loudest mouths praising free market.
We live so many lies in our lives! Life is a mystery and a great Irony. I
love it, but one thing the economy is not.....is free market.
Randy R. Cox

Your facts may be right but you can get the wrong conclusion. Don't worry about
it...its an anomally of Truth and Logic. What if the limits of pumping is
because of storage capacity and refining capacity... or even trucking holdups.
Or, maybe the wear capacity of machinery costs is averaged over a certain
working life and the downtime gives time for maintenance. Maybe other reasons
too.
You can still be right. It's just that sometimes there are reasons for
restricting output that may have nothing to do with politics. In your case in
Texas I'd be looking at some bottleneck somewhere. If you solve it you could
make a fortune...especially now.

Randy Cox

2005-09-06 01:17:41 UTC

Post by Stan Pierce
(snipped)

Post by Randy Cox
My family comes from the oil industry. I am a native Texan. Oil men
pride themselves on being conservative and staunch free market
supporters. What a crock! The "awl bidness" is not a free market
industry. It is highly controlled by the Railroad commission (in Texas)
and they have these things called allowable that limit the amount of oil
that can be pumped in a given amount of time. I'm not knocking
allowable...they make sense...but they certainly are not "free market"
events. The people most protected by regulation are the loudest mouths
praising free market.
We live so many lies in our lives! Life is a mystery and a great Irony.
I love it, but one thing the economy is not.....is free market.
Randy R. Cox

Your facts may be right but you can get the wrong conclusion. Don't worry
about it...its an anomally of Truth and Logic. What if the limits of
pumping is because of storage capacity and refining capacity... or even
trucking holdups. Or, maybe the wear capacity of machinery costs is
averaged over a certain working life and the downtime gives time for
maintenance. Maybe other reasons too.
You can still be right. It's just that sometimes there are reasons for
restricting output that may have nothing to do with politics. In your
case in Texas I'd be looking at some bottleneck somewhere. If you solve
it you could make a fortune...especially now.

Oh, I'm not against allowable, especially in context of how they came about.
Oil was selling for about 5 cents a barrel at the time and prices were
headed lower. They were drilling wells, tapping the same formations and
pools right next to each other. My point really was that those that most
celebrate "free market" usually benefit most from a controlled market.
There are lots of good reasons to regulate production.

When I was in the third grade, I read a book called "Naked Communist". Then
I read some stuff by Marx. I was in the third grade so I don't remember if
it was the Communist Manifesto or what, but I was a Communist sympathizer
for about two weeks. My dad spent some time explaining market and money to
me. He explained why if we all had a million dollars, then nobody would
take out the garbage except for those who wanted two million dollars and how
soon all the same people would have all the money again. Then I became a
conservative. I had meetings with H.L. Hunt, went to college at Plano
University (Ultra-Conservative) and filled my library from the John Birch
Society.

Then in time I moved to the center. I became moderate...........radically
moderate. My positions are moderate, but I state them in a radical manner.

So the market demands controls. The controls always suck and need constant
adjustment and never get it right, but the controls will always happen.
Nothing is perfect.......well maybe the market is perfect but the people
that deal in the market aren't perfect so we have to live with regulations.
I just think it is funny how "conservatives" rush to protect their own
interests with controls and regulations. They want the market free when
they are trying to buy something from the market. After they have their
positions and are ready to sell......then they are ready for some regulation
and controls, but they never stop calling themselves "conservative".

In the last oil crisis, some people made a case for $20 a barrel floor for
oil. Texas and Oklahoma had a lot of stripper wells producing barely enough
oil to pay for pumping. When the oil dipped under $15 they shut those
strippers down. Many of them were uncased from the old days of cable tool
(punching hole). I don't know the technical but once they stopped
production, the wells either calcified or the law required them to be
capped or something. One group of oil men said if we allowed the Saudis to
sell oil cheaper than $20 the strippers would shut down and be lost forever.
The old oil men in Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana just couldn't support a
fixed price for oil so they opposed it. Those strippers are gone
now.......except for those which can be reworked. Most of them are just not
worth reworking. After they were gone...........the price went up. You
know what it is today. I never was in the oil business myself, so I really
don't understand all this stuff. I just heard the talk over time. Like a
monkey, if it shines I pick it up and play with it. I hear it, if it sounds
intelligent, I repeat it like I understand it.

Randy R. Cox

Stan Pierce

2005-09-06 03:18:21 UTC

"Randy Cox" <***@airmail.net> wrote in message news:***@corp.supernews.com...
(snipped)

Like a monkey, if it shines I pick it up and play with it. I hear it, if it
sounds intelligent, I repeat it like I understand it.
Randy R. Cox

So you know one of the Hunt brothers eh. How's they doing. Did they get out
of that Silver cornering deal from years ago? Seems like a century ago. Can't
even remember what decade it was in.

Got to hand it to those oilmen for the way they think. Have you seen
this...it's sheer genius. If George tells them to go right ahead as an
emergency measure for the safety of America it would send all those Arabs back
to the desert where they belong. Get your Congressman to push it. God Bless
white Americans...sod the rest.
http://ww2.scripps.com/cgi-bin/archives/denver.pl?DBLIST=rm05&DOCNUM=20000

David Moss

2005-09-04 12:12:42 UTC

Post by Glenn
And you know what? Even if the poor whites were looting and robbing,
wouldn't it be nice if the blacks could have made them the only ones
doing it

Over 70% of the population of New Orleans is black.
Around 40% of families in New Orleans earn less than $20k per year.
Average household income in New Orleans is $43k per year.
It is clearly a city with a stark difference between the haves and the
have nots.

In case there is any confusion as to whether being black correlates
strongly with being poor in new Orleans, the average income per capita
for white people is $31,971pa and the average per capita income for
black people is $11,332pa.

So if you wonder why we aren't seeing poor white people out looting, its
probably because the tiny number of poor whites among the huge number of
poor blacks makes it far less likely they will be captured in any random
filming session.

BTW I read recently that:
"According to U.S. Department of Justice statistics, blacks commit 54
percent of murders, 42 percent of forcible rapes, 59 percent of
robberies and 38 percent of aggravated assaults. For the most part, the
victims are black. Ninety-three percent of murdered blacks were murdered
by a black." (http://boards.billmaher.com/archive/index.php/t-3258.html)

So its safe to say that New Orleans had a major problem with crime
before the flooding and the natural disaster just brought it out into
the open.

Hopefully the USA will learn something from this experience and do
something to eliminate the social, cultural and economic forces behind
the problem.

But then they may just declare another "war" on the problem, kill a few
looters and leave things pretty much as they are.

--
DM
personal opinion only

Gooserider

2005-09-04 12:43:32 UTC

Post by Glenn
And you know what? Even if the poor whites were looting and robbing,
wouldn't it be nice if the blacks could have made them the only ones
doing it

Over 70% of the population of New Orleans is black.
Around 40% of families in New Orleans earn less than $20k per year.
Average household income in New Orleans is $43k per year.
It is clearly a city with a stark difference between the haves and the
have nots.
In case there is any confusion as to whether being black correlates
strongly with being poor in new Orleans, the average income per capita
for white people is $31,971pa and the average per capita income for
black people is $11,332pa.
So if you wonder why we aren't seeing poor white people out looting, its
probably because the tiny number of poor whites among the huge number of
poor blacks makes it far less likely they will be captured in any random
filming session.
"According to U.S. Department of Justice statistics, blacks commit 54
percent of murders, 42 percent of forcible rapes, 59 percent of
robberies and 38 percent of aggravated assaults. For the most part, the
victims are black. Ninety-three percent of murdered blacks were murdered
by a black." (http://boards.billmaher.com/archive/index.php/t-3258.html)
So its safe to say that New Orleans had a major problem with crime
before the flooding and the natural disaster just brought it out into
the open.
Hopefully the USA will learn something from this experience and do
something to eliminate the social, cultural and economic forces behind
the problem.
But then they may just declare another "war" on the problem, kill a few
looters and leave things pretty much as they are.

Nobody forced them to be poor.

Mark Addinall

2005-09-04 16:16:32 UTC

Post by Glenn
And you know what? Even if the poor whites were looting and robbing,
wouldn't it be nice if the blacks could have made them the only ones
doing it

Over 70% of the population of New Orleans is black.
Around 40% of families in New Orleans earn less than $20k per year.
Average household income in New Orleans is $43k per year.
It is clearly a city with a stark difference between the haves and the
have nots.
In case there is any confusion as to whether being black correlates
strongly with being poor in new Orleans, the average income per capita
for white people is $31,971pa and the average per capita income for
black people is $11,332pa.
So if you wonder why we aren't seeing poor white people out looting, its
probably because the tiny number of poor whites among the huge number of
poor blacks makes it far less likely they will be captured in any random
filming session.
"According to U.S. Department of Justice statistics, blacks commit 54
percent of murders, 42 percent of forcible rapes, 59 percent of
robberies and 38 percent of aggravated assaults. For the most part, the
victims are black. Ninety-three percent of murdered blacks were murdered
by a black." (http://boards.billmaher.com/archive/index.php/t-3258.html)
So its safe to say that New Orleans had a major problem with crime
before the flooding and the natural disaster just brought it out into
the open.
Hopefully the USA will learn something from this experience and do
something to eliminate the social, cultural and economic forces behind
the problem.
But then they may just declare another "war" on the problem, kill a few
looters and leave things pretty much as they are.

Nobody forced them to be poor.

Oh for fuck's sake...

Mark Addinall.

Wayne

2005-09-05 10:26:46 UTC

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:16:32 GMT, "Mark Addinall"
<***@addinall.org> wrote:

}
}"Gooserider" <***@mousepotato.com> wrote in message
}news:UZBSe.2593$***@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
}>
}> "David Moss" <***@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message
}> news:***@news.bigpond.com...
}>> In article <431ad1c4$0$6961$***@news.usenetcompany.com>,
}>> ***@yahoo.co.uk writes...
}>>
}>>> And you know what? Even if the poor whites were looting and robbing,
}>>> wouldn't it be nice if the blacks could have made them the only ones
}>>> doing it
}>>
}>> Over 70% of the population of New Orleans is black.
}>> Around 40% of families in New Orleans earn less than $20k per year.
}>> Average household income in New Orleans is $43k per year.
}>> It is clearly a city with a stark difference between the haves and the
}>> have nots.
}>>
}>> In case there is any confusion as to whether being black correlates
}>> strongly with being poor in new Orleans, the average income per capita
}>> for white people is $31,971pa and the average per capita income for
}>> black people is $11,332pa.
}>>
}>> So if you wonder why we aren't seeing poor white people out looting, its
}>> probably because the tiny number of poor whites among the huge number of
}>> poor blacks makes it far less likely they will be captured in any random
}>> filming session.
}>>
}>> BTW I read recently that:
}>> "According to U.S. Department of Justice statistics, blacks commit 54
}>> percent of murders, 42 percent of forcible rapes, 59 percent of
}>> robberies and 38 percent of aggravated assaults. For the most part, the
}>> victims are black. Ninety-three percent of murdered blacks were murdered
}>> by a black." (http://boards.billmaher.com/archive/index.php/t-3258.html)
}>>
}>> So its safe to say that New Orleans had a major problem with crime
}>> before the flooding and the natural disaster just brought it out into
}>> the open.
}>>
}>> Hopefully the USA will learn something from this experience and do
}>> something to eliminate the social, cultural and economic forces behind
}>> the problem.
}>>
}>> But then they may just declare another "war" on the problem, kill a few
}>> looters and leave things pretty much as they are.
}>
}> Nobody forced them to be poor.
}
}
}Oh for fuck's sake...
}
}Mark Addinall.
}

You could of course give over your filthy lucre, but then that's not
how it works, is it Marky boy?

Mark Addinall

2005-09-05 12:29:45 UTC

Post by Wayne
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:16:32 GMT, "Mark Addinall"
}
}>
}>>
}>>> And you know what? Even if the poor whites were looting and robbing,
}>>> wouldn't it be nice if the blacks could have made them the only ones
}>>> doing it
}>>
}>> Over 70% of the population of New Orleans is black.
}>> Around 40% of families in New Orleans earn less than $20k per year.
}>> Average household income in New Orleans is $43k per year.
}>> It is clearly a city with a stark difference between the haves and the
}>> have nots.
}>>
}>> In case there is any confusion as to whether being black correlates
}>> strongly with being poor in new Orleans, the average income per capita
}>> for white people is $31,971pa and the average per capita income for
}>> black people is $11,332pa.
}>>
}>> So if you wonder why we aren't seeing poor white people out looting, its
}>> probably because the tiny number of poor whites among the huge number of
}>> poor blacks makes it far less likely they will be captured in any random
}>> filming session.
}>>
}>> "According to U.S. Department of Justice statistics, blacks commit 54
}>> percent of murders, 42 percent of forcible rapes, 59 percent of
}>> robberies and 38 percent of aggravated assaults. For the most part, the
}>> victims are black. Ninety-three percent of murdered blacks were murdered
}>> by a black."
(http://boards.billmaher.com/archive/index.php/t-3258.html)
}>>
}>> So its safe to say that New Orleans had a major problem with crime
}>> before the flooding and the natural disaster just brought it out into
}>> the open.
}>>
}>> Hopefully the USA will learn something from this experience and do
}>> something to eliminate the social, cultural and economic forces behind
}>> the problem.
}>>
}>> But then they may just declare another "war" on the problem, kill a few
}>> looters and leave things pretty much as they are.
}>
}> Nobody forced them to be poor.
}
}
}Oh for fuck's sake...
}
}Mark Addinall.
}
You could of course give over your filthy lucre, but then that's not
how it works, is it Marky boy?

A few people on the net get away with calling me Marky. You're
not one of them. So shut your fucking mouth.

Give away my fithy money? I'd rather not give it all away,
although I do give a small percentage away. I also dropped
my salary down fro, $220,000 py year to $34,000 so I could
help Mildura base hospital write some code.

A few years after I slammed my $400,000 py job to implement
a WAN over the aboriginal communities. I think I got
paid $30,000 for that couple of years.

I have done plenty of work for sweet fuck all. How about you?

Mark Addinall.

Wayne

2005-09-05 13:26:48 UTC

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 12:29:45 GMT, "Mark Addinall"
<***@addinall.org> wrote:

}
}"Wayne" <***@testo.com.au> wrote in message
}news:***@4ax.com...
}> On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:16:32 GMT, "Mark Addinall"
}> <***@addinall.org> wrote:
}>
}> }
}> }"Gooserider" <***@mousepotato.com> wrote in message
}> }news:UZBSe.2593$***@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
}> }>
}> }> "David Moss" <***@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message
}> }> news:***@news.bigpond.com...
}> }>> In article <431ad1c4$0$6961$***@news.usenetcompany.com>,
}> }>> ***@yahoo.co.uk writes...
}> }>>
}> }>>> And you know what? Even if the poor whites were looting and robbing,
}> }>>> wouldn't it be nice if the blacks could have made them the only ones
}> }>>> doing it
}> }>>
}> }>> Over 70% of the population of New Orleans is black.
}> }>> Around 40% of families in New Orleans earn less than $20k per year.
}> }>> Average household income in New Orleans is $43k per year.
}> }>> It is clearly a city with a stark difference between the haves and the
}> }>> have nots.
}> }>>
}> }>> In case there is any confusion as to whether being black correlates
}> }>> strongly with being poor in new Orleans, the average income per capita
}> }>> for white people is $31,971pa and the average per capita income for
}> }>> black people is $11,332pa.
}> }>>
}> }>> So if you wonder why we aren't seeing poor white people out looting,
}> its
}> }>> probably because the tiny number of poor whites among the huge number
}> of
}> }>> poor blacks makes it far less likely they will be captured in any
}> random
}> }>> filming session.
}> }>>
}> }>> BTW I read recently that:
}> }>> "According to U.S. Department of Justice statistics, blacks commit 54
}> }>> percent of murders, 42 percent of forcible rapes, 59 percent of
}> }>> robberies and 38 percent of aggravated assaults. For the most part,
}> the
}> }>> victims are black. Ninety-three percent of murdered blacks were
}> murdered
}> }>> by a black."
}> (http://boards.billmaher.com/archive/index.php/t-3258.html)
}> }>>
}> }>> So its safe to say that New Orleans had a major problem with crime
}> }>> before the flooding and the natural disaster just brought it out into
}> }>> the open.
}> }>>
}> }>> Hopefully the USA will learn something from this experience and do
}> }>> something to eliminate the social, cultural and economic forces behind
}> }>> the problem.
}> }>>
}> }>> But then they may just declare another "war" on the problem, kill a
}> few
}> }>> looters and leave things pretty much as they are.
}> }>
}> }> Nobody forced them to be poor.
}> }
}> }
}> }Oh for fuck's sake...
}> }
}> }Mark Addinall.
}> }
}>
}> You could of course give over your filthy lucre, but then that's not
}> how it works, is it Marky boy?
}
}A few people on the net get away with calling me Marky. You're
}not one of them. So shut your fucking mouth.
}
}Give away my fithy money? I'd rather not give it all away,
}although I do give a small percentage away. I also dropped
}my salary down fro, $220,000 py year to $34,000 so I could
}help Mildura base hospital write some code.
}
}A few years after I slammed my $400,000 py job to implement
}a WAN over the aboriginal communities. I think I got
}paid $30,000 for that couple of years.
}
}I have done plenty of work for sweet fuck all. How about you?
}

More the fool you.

David Moss

2005-09-05 14:12:45 UTC

In article <***@4ax.com>,
***@testo.com.au writes...

[cut]

Post by Wayne
}A few years after I slammed my $400,000 py job to implement
}a WAN over the aboriginal communities. I think I got
}paid $30,000 for that couple of years.
}
}I have done plenty of work for sweet fuck all. How about you?
}
More the fool you.

Some people forget remuneration isn't just money.
If Mark's desired outcome was a LAN across remote northern communities,
the $30k was just a bonus.

I've never earned $500k in a year and probably never will.
I gave away that much in volunteer work once though. I know this because
an opposing organisation spent that much on a similar project and mine
was better. I got the outcome I wanted at the time, which was my real
remuneration.

The real fool is the one who values bits of coloured plastic over real
world achievement.

--
DM
personal opinion only

Defendario

2005-09-05 15:38:56 UTC

Post by David Moss
[cut]

Some people forget remuneration isn't just money.
If Mark's desired outcome was a LAN across remote northern communities,
the $30k was just a bonus.

Mr Addinall did a noble thing. Kudos to him :-)

Post by David Moss
I've never earned $500k in a year and probably never will.
I gave away that much in volunteer work once though. I know this because
an opposing organisation spent that much on a similar project and mine
was better. I got the outcome I wanted at the time, which was my real
remuneration.

And to you too.

Post by David Moss
The real fool is the one who values bits of coloured plastic over real
world achievement.

David, you and Mark exhibit the true love of their fellowman that Christ
spoke of. You are great in ways that Wayne will never understand.

He is poor in spirit, and is to be pitied.

Wayne

2005-09-05 23:04:43 UTC

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:38:56 -0400, Defendario
<***@netscape.com> wrote:

}David Moss wrote:
}
}> In article <***@4ax.com>,
}> ***@testo.com.au writes...
}>
}> [cut]
}>
}>
}>>}A few years after I slammed my $400,000 py job to implement
}>>}a WAN over the aboriginal communities. I think I got
}>>}paid $30,000 for that couple of years.
}>>}
}>>}I have done plenty of work for sweet fuck all. How about you?
}>>}
}>>
}>>More the fool you.
}>
}>
}> Some people forget remuneration isn't just money.
}> If Mark's desired outcome was a LAN across remote northern communities,
}> the $30k was just a bonus.
}>
}
}Mr Addinall did a noble thing. Kudos to him :-)
}
}> I've never earned $500k in a year and probably never will.
}> I gave away that much in volunteer work once though. I know this because
}> an opposing organisation spent that much on a similar project and mine
}> was better. I got the outcome I wanted at the time, which was my real
}> remuneration.
}>
}
}And to you too.
}
}> The real fool is the one who values bits of coloured plastic over real
}> world achievement.
}>
}
}David, you and Mark exhibit the true love of their fellowman that Christ
}spoke of. You are great in ways that Wayne will never understand.
}
}He is poor in spirit, and is to be pitied.
}

I've given away a billion dollars, does that count?

Mark Addinall

2005-09-06 08:55:51 UTC

Post by David Moss
[cut]

Some people forget remuneration isn't just money.
If Mark's desired outcome was a LAN across remote northern communities,
the $30k was just a bonus.

Correct. The communities disregarding the usual "abos get billions"
arguments, don't have a load of money to chuck around. Asking the (then)
current "networking the Nation" dolts would have produced a paper
and a million dollar invoice (minimum). Myself along with a
very able partner(s) built the whole bloody thing for $380,000.00.
That theee hundred and eighty thousand dollars.

That covered all computer equipent, PCs, Terminal servers. hubsd, switches,
wiring, installation, all the satellite stations, tx/rx sat modems and
building
modifications, travel by plane, barge and boat, accomodation,
buying bandwidth on Pan-Am Sat 2, Teltra ISDN connections
and facilities management contract including negotiated. Oh,
and my "salary" ;-)

And it benifits thousands of people.

Well done as always David.

Post by David Moss
The real fool is the one who values bits of coloured plastic over real
world achievement.

Correct.

Mark.

Post by David Moss
--
DM
personal opinion only

Gooserider

2005-09-05 23:34:31 UTC

Post by Mark Addinall

Post by Glenn
And you know what? Even if the poor whites were looting and robbing,
wouldn't it be nice if the blacks could have made them the only ones
doing it

Over 70% of the population of New Orleans is black.
Around 40% of families in New Orleans earn less than $20k per year.
Average household income in New Orleans is $43k per year.
It is clearly a city with a stark difference between the haves and the
have nots.
In case there is any confusion as to whether being black correlates
strongly with being poor in new Orleans, the average income per capita
for white people is $31,971pa and the average per capita income for
black people is $11,332pa.
So if you wonder why we aren't seeing poor white people out looting, its
probably because the tiny number of poor whites among the huge number of
poor blacks makes it far less likely they will be captured in any random
filming session.
"According to U.S. Department of Justice statistics, blacks commit 54
percent of murders, 42 percent of forcible rapes, 59 percent of
robberies and 38 percent of aggravated assaults. For the most part, the
victims are black. Ninety-three percent of murdered blacks were murdered
by a black." (http://boards.billmaher.com/archive/index.php/t-3258.html)
So its safe to say that New Orleans had a major problem with crime
before the flooding and the natural disaster just brought it out into
the open.
Hopefully the USA will learn something from this experience and do
something to eliminate the social, cultural and economic forces behind
the problem.
But then they may just declare another "war" on the problem, kill a few
looters and leave things pretty much as they are.

Nobody forced them to be poor.

Oh for fuck's sake...
Mark Addinall.

Let me make it more clear for you---nobody forced these people to sit on
their asses, shit out kids, sell drugs, join gangs, drop out of school, or
any other of the reasons they have. Unless you think they're just STUPID. If
they're STUPID, then I can see it. But since they've been given free high
school educations, free housing, and live just down the road from at least
TWO historically black colleges, plus LSU, Tulane, UNO, there's plenty of
opportunity for black people in New Orleans to better themselves. I guess
it's just easier for a whiny liberal like you to assume they just can't do
it, and need to be taken care of. That's quite paternalistic and RACIST of
you.

Wayne

2005-09-06 02:52:13 UTC

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 23:34:31 GMT, "Gooserider"
<***@mousepotato.com> wrote:

}
}"Mark Addinall" <***@addinall.org> wrote in message
}news:A5FSe.23287$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
}>
}> "Gooserider" <***@mousepotato.com> wrote in message
}> news:UZBSe.2593$***@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
}>>
}>> "David Moss" <***@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message
}>> news:***@news.bigpond.com...
}>>> In article <431ad1c4$0$6961$***@news.usenetcompany.com>,
}>>> ***@yahoo.co.uk writes...
}>>>
}>>>> And you know what? Even if the poor whites were looting and robbing,
}>>>> wouldn't it be nice if the blacks could have made them the only ones
}>>>> doing it
}>>>
}>>> Over 70% of the population of New Orleans is black.
}>>> Around 40% of families in New Orleans earn less than $20k per year.
}>>> Average household income in New Orleans is $43k per year.
}>>> It is clearly a city with a stark difference between the haves and the
}>>> have nots.
}>>>
}>>> In case there is any confusion as to whether being black correlates
}>>> strongly with being poor in new Orleans, the average income per capita
}>>> for white people is $31,971pa and the average per capita income for
}>>> black people is $11,332pa.
}>>>
}>>> So if you wonder why we aren't seeing poor white people out looting, its
}>>> probably because the tiny number of poor whites among the huge number of
}>>> poor blacks makes it far less likely they will be captured in any random
}>>> filming session.
}>>>
}>>> BTW I read recently that:
}>>> "According to U.S. Department of Justice statistics, blacks commit 54
}>>> percent of murders, 42 percent of forcible rapes, 59 percent of
}>>> robberies and 38 percent of aggravated assaults. For the most part, the
}>>> victims are black. Ninety-three percent of murdered blacks were murdered
}>>> by a black." (http://boards.billmaher.com/archive/index.php/t-3258.html)
}>>>
}>>> So its safe to say that New Orleans had a major problem with crime
}>>> before the flooding and the natural disaster just brought it out into
}>>> the open.
}>>>
}>>> Hopefully the USA will learn something from this experience and do
}>>> something to eliminate the social, cultural and economic forces behind
}>>> the problem.
}>>>
}>>> But then they may just declare another "war" on the problem, kill a few
}>>> looters and leave things pretty much as they are.
}>>
}>> Nobody forced them to be poor.
}>
}>
}> Oh for fuck's sake...
}>
}> Mark Addinall.
}
}Let me make it more clear for you---nobody forced these people to sit on
}their asses, shit out kids, sell drugs, join gangs, drop out of school, or
}any other of the reasons they have. Unless you think they're just STUPID. If
}they're STUPID, then I can see it. But since they've been given free high
}school educations, free housing, and live just down the road from at least
}TWO historically black colleges, plus LSU, Tulane, UNO, there's plenty of
}opportunity for black people in New Orleans to better themselves. I guess
}it's just easier for a whiny liberal like you to assume they just can't do
}it, and need to be taken care of. That's quite paternalistic and RACIST of
}you.
}

Champagne socialists need these sorts of losers so they can feel good
about themselves. I say at the very least then they should be forced
to support them with their own money.

Mark Addinall

2005-09-06 09:57:12 UTC

Post by Wayne
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 23:34:31 GMT, "Gooserider"
}
}>
}>>
}>>>
}>>>> And you know what? Even if the poor whites were looting and robbing,
}>>>> wouldn't it be nice if the blacks could have made them the only ones
}>>>> doing it
}>>>
}>>> Over 70% of the population of New Orleans is black.
}>>> Around 40% of families in New Orleans earn less than $20k per year.
}>>> Average household income in New Orleans is $43k per year.
}>>> It is clearly a city with a stark difference between the haves and the
}>>> have nots.
}>>>
}>>> In case there is any confusion as to whether being black correlates
}>>> strongly with being poor in new Orleans, the average income per capita
}>>> for white people is $31,971pa and the average per capita income for
}>>> black people is $11,332pa.
}>>>
}>>> So if you wonder why we aren't seeing poor white people out looting, its
}>>> probably because the tiny number of poor whites among the huge number of
}>>> poor blacks makes it far less likely they will be captured in any random
}>>> filming session.
}>>>
}>>> "According to U.S. Department of Justice statistics, blacks commit 54
}>>> percent of murders, 42 percent of forcible rapes, 59 percent of
}>>> robberies and 38 percent of aggravated assaults. For the most part, the
}>>> victims are black. Ninety-three percent of murdered blacks were murdered
}>>> by a black."
(http://boards.billmaher.com/archive/index.php/t-3258.html)
}>>>
}>>> So its safe to say that New Orleans had a major problem with crime
}>>> before the flooding and the natural disaster just brought it out into
}>>> the open.
}>>>
}>>> Hopefully the USA will learn something from this experience and do
}>>> something to eliminate the social, cultural and economic forces behind
}>>> the problem.
}>>>
}>>> But then they may just declare another "war" on the problem, kill a few
}>>> looters and leave things pretty much as they are.
}>>
}>> Nobody forced them to be poor.
}>
}>
}> Oh for fuck's sake...
}>
}> Mark Addinall.
}
}Let me make it more clear for you---nobody forced these people to sit on
}their asses, shit out kids, sell drugs, join gangs, drop out of school, or
}any other of the reasons they have. Unless you think they're just STUPID. If
}they're STUPID,

Take your straw and shove it

Post by Wayne
) then I can see it. But since they've been given free high
}school educations, free housing, and live just down the road from at least
}TWO historically black colleges, plus LSU, Tulane, UNO, there's plenty of
}opportunity for black people in New Orleans to better themselves. I guess
}it's just easier for a whiny liberal like you to assume they just can't do
}it, and need to be taken care of. That's quite paternalistic and RACIST of
}you.

http://www.blacknews.com/pr/looting101.html
But New Orleans is not an aberration. Nationally, according to Census
figures, blacks remain at the bottom of the economic totem pole. They have
the lowest media income of any group. Bush's war and economic policies don't
help matters. His tax cuts redistributed billions to the rich and
corporations. The Iraq war has drained billions from cash starved job
training, health and education programs. Increased American dependence on
Saudi Oil has driven gas and oil prices skyward. Corporate downsizing,
outsourcing, and industrial flight have further fueled America's poverty
crisis. All of this happened on Bush's watch.

The 2 million new jobs in 2004 Bush touts as proof that his economic
policies work have been mostly smoke and mirrors number counting. The bulk
of these jobs are low pay jobs, with minimum benefits, and little job
security in retail and service industries. A big portion of the nearly 40
million Americans that live below the official poverty line fill these jobs.
They're the lucky ones. They have jobs. Many young blacks, such as those
that ransacked stores in New Orleans, don't.

The poverty crisis has slammed them the hardest of all. Even during the
Clinton era economic boom, the unemployment rate for young black males was
double, and in some parts of the country, triple that of white males. During
the past couple of years, state and federal cutbacks in job training and
skills programs, the brutal competition for low and semi skilled service and
retail jobs from immigrants, and the refusal of many employers to hire those
with criminal records have further hammered black communities and added to
the Great Depression era high unemployment numbers among young blacks.

It's difficult for anyone to earn a decent living when:

- Full time jobs are being destroyed.
- "Empoyed" is being re-defined.
- Salaries are eroded.
- Cost of living icreases.

Post by Wayne
}
Champagne socialists

"socialist? Me?

That's different from someone who has a head office
in Lenzkirch.

Post by Wayne
need these sorts of losers
so they can feel good
about themselves. I say at the very least then they should be forced
to support them with their own money.

Why should I send money to the USA? If they can afford to
spend 200 billion dollars on the biggest fuckup in centuries,
then can afford to look after thier own citizens.

Mark Addinall.

Gregory Shearman

2005-09-06 03:46:17 UTC

Post by Gooserider
Let me make it more clear for you---nobody forced these people to sit on
their asses, shit out kids, sell drugs, join gangs, drop out of school, or
any other of the reasons they have.

Who the FUCK are you babbling about?

Are you blaming people for being poor??

Post by Gooserider
Unless you think they're just STUPID.

No, just poor, and for that CRIME they were left in New Orleans to die.

Post by Gooserider
But since they've been given free high school educations, free housing,
and live just down the road from at least TWO historically black
colleges, plus LSU, Tulane, UNO, there's plenty of opportunity for black
people in New Orleans to better themselves.

Yep... there's one in the white house, but everyone else has to make do
with the shit jobs...

Why are you blaming people for being poor???

Post by Gooserider
I guess it's just easier for a whiny liberal like you to assume they
just can't do it, and need to be taken care of. That's quite
paternalistic and RACIST of you.

So, when the next hurricane is due to hit, will the rich people AGAIN
leave the poor to die in their hovels?

Gee... in Indonesia they HELPED people who were trapped by the tsunami,
they didn't BLAME them for being in its path...

Your tirade is pathetic and self-serving. By an accident of birth, you are
rich enough to feel safe and secure... and yet you deny your own luck to
blame people for being poor.

I suggest you lock yourself in your panic room and don't come out. We
don't need your type in the world.

--
Regards,
Gregory.
"Ding-a-Ding Dang, My Dang-a-Long Ling Long."

Sarah Czepiel

2005-09-06 06:11:27 UTC

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:46:17 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Gregory Shearman
Are you blaming people for being poor??

Who is to blame then? I'm not poor. You want to know why? I got
good grades in school. Didn't shoplift. Didn't steal. Didn't take
drugs. I got accepted into an excellent university. Graduated from
same. Got a job. And earn a good salary.

Then we have the life cycle of far too many the inner city Blacks....

Male : Quits school at 16 or before even when he is entitled to a free
high school education so he can hang out on the street looking cool.
Impregnates as many females as possible and is usually the one to
deflower their underage cousins or sisters. Usually arrested more
than once before the age 16. Has a criminal record and no job because
no one will hire him with a criminal record. Spends his days and
nights drinking, doing drugs and blaming "the Man" for keeping him
down and in poverty.

Female: Usually has first baby by age 14. Drops out of school. No
job. Goes on welfare. She and her children live on welfare until one
by one they begin the cycle again for the next generation.

You tell me who is to blame.

Me?

Society?

So yeah, to answer your question in this case I blame the people for
being poor. You want a better life? You want a better standard of
living? Get off your fat ass and do what needs to be done to EARN it.
Stay in school. Don't take drugs. Don't become a criminal and you're
well on your way. There are large numbers of very successful black
people in America. Stop blaming everyone but yourself for your
situation. Forget the local thugs and the gangsta rappers. Look to
the successful black people for inspiration and use them as role
models.

Wayne

2005-09-06 09:37:24 UTC

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 02:11:27 -0400, Sarah Czepiel <***@cox.net>
wrote:

}On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:46:17 +1000, Gregory Shearman
}<***@netscape.net> wrote:
}
}>Are you blaming people for being poor??
}
}Who is to blame then? I'm not poor. You want to know why? I got
}good grades in school. Didn't shoplift. Didn't steal. Didn't take
}drugs. I got accepted into an excellent university. Graduated from
}same. Got a job. And earn a good salary.
}
}Then we have the life cycle of far too many the inner city Blacks....
}
}Male : Quits school at 16 or before even when he is entitled to a free
}high school education so he can hang out on the street looking cool.
}Impregnates as many females as possible and is usually the one to
}deflower their underage cousins or sisters. Usually arrested more
}than once before the age 16. Has a criminal record and no job because
}no one will hire him with a criminal record. Spends his days and
}nights drinking, doing drugs and blaming "the Man" for keeping him
}down and in poverty.
}
}Female: Usually has first baby by age 14. Drops out of school. No
}job. Goes on welfare. She and her children live on welfare until one
}by one they begin the cycle again for the next generation.
}
}You tell me who is to blame.
}
}Me?
}
}Society?
}
}So yeah, to answer your question in this case I blame the people for
}being poor. You want a better life? You want a better standard of
}living? Get off your fat ass and do what needs to be done to EARN it.
}Stay in school. Don't take drugs. Don't become a criminal and you're
}well on your way. There are large numbers of very successful black
}people in America. Stop blaming everyone but yourself for your
}situation. Forget the local thugs and the gangsta rappers. Look to
}the successful black people for inspiration and use them as role
}models.
}

White mans burden, indeed. It's always easier to blame society and the
evil white man.

Gregory Shearman

2005-09-07 00:11:13 UTC

Post by Wayne
White mans burden, indeed. It's always easier to blame society and the
evil white man.

In fact, it's easier blaming poor people for being poor. That's what you
are doing.

Let's hope for your sake, that you suffer no misfortune and end up poor,
you'd probably kill yourself with shame...

--
Regards,
Gregory.
"Ding-a-Ding Dang, My Dang-a-Long Ling Long."

Gregory Shearman

2005-09-07 00:09:48 UTC

Post by Sarah Czepiel
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:46:17 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Gregory Shearman
Are you blaming people for being poor??

...and had a LOT of luck along the way...

Do you think you are the ONLY one to work hard???

Others work hard but for lack of a little luck, end up poor..

Please stop blaming people for being poor.. you may suffer a turn of
fortune and end up poor...

[pathetic stereotyping deleted]

Post by Sarah Czepiel
So yeah, to answer your question in this case I blame the people for
being poor. You want a better life? You want a better standard of
living? Get off your fat ass and do what needs to be done to EARN it.

...and have luck... otherwise you may end up poor and be blamed for it by
shortsighted bigots who discount their own lucky circumstances.

Post by Sarah Czepiel
Stay in school. Don't take drugs. Don't become a criminal and you're
well on your way. There are large numbers of very successful black
people in America. Stop blaming everyone but yourself for your
situation. Forget the local thugs and the gangsta rappers. Look to
the successful black people for inspiration and use them as role models.

...and have luck... otherwise you'll be blamed for being poor by
shortsighted bigots who discount their own lucky circumstances.

--
Regards,
Gregory.
"Ding-a-Ding Dang, My Dang-a-Long Ling Long."

Sarah Czepiel

2005-09-07 00:36:35 UTC

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:09:48 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Sarah Czepiel
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:46:17 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Gregory Shearman
Are you blaming people for being poor??

...and had a LOT of luck along the way...

Like....what? You presume to know my life's history so let's have it.

Post by Gregory Shearman
Do you think you are the ONLY one to work hard???

Do you think you aren't going to get anywhere WITHOUT working hard?

Post by Gregory Shearman
Others work hard but for lack of a little luck, end up poor..

Bullcrap. It isn't luck to stay in school and get a free education.
It isn't luck to stay out of jail. It isn't luck to stay off drugs
and alcohol.

Post by Gregory Shearman
Please stop blaming people for being poor.. you may suffer a turn of
fortune and end up poor...

No I won't Gregory and do you know why? I won't end up poor because I
have an education, and a willingness to WORK.

Post by Gregory Shearman
[pathetic stereotyping deleted]

If it's pathetic stereotyping then why are we hearing horror stories
from foreign tourists who were trapped in the Superdome.

...and have luck... otherwise you may end up poor and be blamed for it by
shortsighted bigots who discount their own lucky circumstances.

You're a whiny Leninist Liberal.

...and have luck... otherwise you'll be blamed for being poor by
shortsighted bigots who discount their own lucky circumstances.

OK Gregory, tell me how the poor in NO can change their luck. And be
specific.

You seem to think that people of means just sprouted out of pots of
gold.

Sarah Czepiel

2005-09-07 00:55:25 UTC

Post by Gregory Shearman
Do you think you are the ONLY one to work hard???

Do you think you aren't going to get anywhere WITHOUT working hard?

Do you think you are going to get anywhere WITHOUT working hard?

Gregory Shearman

2005-09-08 12:31:39 UTC

Post by Gregory Shearman
Do you think you are the ONLY one to work hard???

Do you think you aren't going to get anywhere WITHOUT working hard?

Do you think you are going to get anywhere WITHOUT working hard?

Irrelevant.

--
Regards,
Gregory.
"Ding-a-Ding Dang, My Dang-a-Long Ling Long."

Sarah Czepiel

2005-09-08 17:58:57 UTC

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:31:39 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Gregory Shearman
Do you think you are the ONLY one to work hard???

Do you think you aren't going to get anywhere WITHOUT working hard?

Do you think you are going to get anywhere WITHOUT working hard?

Irrelevant.

Only when you want to be poor.

QED.

Gregory Shearman

2005-09-09 13:01:55 UTC

Post by Sarah Czepiel
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:31:39 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Gregory Shearman
Do you think you are the ONLY one to work hard???

Do you think you aren't going to get anywhere WITHOUT working hard?

Do you think you are going to get anywhere WITHOUT working hard?

Irrelevant.

Only when you want to be poor.

WTF??????

You are victim blaming and now you try to bring up irrelevancies.

30 dead nursing home residents... drowned in the hurricane...

I suppose the residents didn't WORK hard enough and deserved to be left to
die, eh??

--
Regards,
Gregory.
"Ding-a-Ding Dang, My Dang-a-Long Ling Long."

Sarah Czepiel

2005-09-09 15:33:41 UTC

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 23:01:55 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Sarah Czepiel
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:31:39 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Gregory Shearman
Do you think you are the ONLY one to work hard???

Do you think you aren't going to get anywhere WITHOUT working hard?

Do you think you are going to get anywhere WITHOUT working hard?

Irrelevant.

Only when you want to be poor.

WTF??????
You are victim blaming and now you try to bring up irrelevancies.
30 dead nursing home residents... drowned in the hurricane...
I suppose the residents didn't WORK hard enough and deserved to be left to
die, eh??

Just about as much as Benjamin Guggenheim.

Gregory Shearman

2005-09-08 12:30:42 UTC

Post by Sarah Czepiel
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:09:48 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Sarah Czepiel
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:46:17 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Gregory Shearman
Are you blaming people for being poor??

...and had a LOT of luck along the way...

Like....what? You presume to know my life's history so let's have it.

You are literate and you can use a computer, which I assume is your own.
You are VERY lucky to have these things.

Post by Gregory Shearman
Do you think you are the ONLY one to work hard???

Do you think you aren't going to get anywhere WITHOUT working hard?

You didn't answer the question. Others work VERY hard but suffer bad
luck... the worst bad luck is being born to dirt poor parents.

Post by Gregory Shearman
Others work hard but for lack of a little luck, end up poor..

Bullcrap. It isn't luck to stay in school and get a free education.

My father had to leave school at fifteen so that he could help save the
family farm from bankruptcy...

If he'd had the luck to be born into a family which didn't have such a
burden then he could have stayed at school and gone on to university.

Post by Sarah Czepiel
It isn't luck to stay out of jail.

Irrelevant.

Post by Sarah Czepiel
It isn't luck to stay off drugs and alcohol.

Irrelevant.

Post by Gregory Shearman
Please stop blaming people for being poor.. you may suffer a turn of
fortune and end up poor...

No I won't Gregory and do you know why? I won't end up poor because I
have an education, and a willingness to WORK.

Let's hope you suffer no misfortune and you end up poor... you'd probably
KILL yourself from the SHAME of it!! ALL....YOUR.....FAULT!!

Post by Gregory Shearman
[pathetic stereotyping deleted]

If it's pathetic stereotyping then why are we hearing horror stories
from foreign tourists who were trapped in the Superdome.

Because they were horror stories?

What I've read from Australians trapped in the superdome was that they
grouped together with OTHER NEW ORLEANS RESIDENTS to protect themselves
from other criminal types....

Get that???

You wish to engage in pathetic stereotyping... but only a FEW of the New
Orleans refugees were criminals...

Post by Gregory Shearman
...and have luck... otherwise you may end up poor and be blamed for it by
shortsighted bigots who discount their own lucky circumstances.

You're a whiny Leninist Liberal.

If anything, I'm a bakuninist Anarchist...

...but you wouldn't have a fucking clue what THAT is...

Post by Gregory Shearman
...and have luck... otherwise you'll be blamed for being poor by
shortsighted bigots who discount their own lucky circumstances.

OK Gregory, tell me how the poor in NO can change their luck. And be
specific.

They can have the great bird of happiness shit on them.... what else??

FFS...

Post by Sarah Czepiel
You seem to think that people of means just sprouted out of pots of
gold.

There are a lot of losers for every winner...

That's the way of life.

--
Regards,
Gregory.
"Ding-a-Ding Dang, My Dang-a-Long Ling Long."

Sarah Czepiel

2005-09-08 17:58:53 UTC

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:30:42 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Sarah Czepiel
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:09:48 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Sarah Czepiel
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:46:17 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Gregory Shearman
Are you blaming people for being poor??

...and had a LOT of luck along the way...

Like....what? You presume to know my life's history so let's have it.

You are literate and you can use a computer, which I assume is your own.
You are VERY lucky to have these things.

You've given me a few presumptions of what I've earned. I asked you
to state what 'LOT of luck' you presume I have. Answer the
question.

Post by Gregory Shearman
Do you think you are the ONLY one to work hard???

Do you think you aren't going to get anywhere WITHOUT working hard?

You didn't answer the question. Others work VERY hard but suffer bad
luck... the worst bad luck is being born to dirt poor parents.

Call Colin Powell. Is he unlucky?

Post by Gregory Shearman
Others work hard but for lack of a little luck, end up poor..

Bullcrap. It isn't luck to stay in school and get a free education.

My father had to leave school at fifteen so that he could help save the
family farm from bankruptcy...
If he'd had the luck to be born into a family which didn't have such a
burden then he could have stayed at school and gone on to university.

You haven't provided any evidence that your grandparents own
mismanagement of their finances and overspending didn't land
themselves in that position.

Post by Sarah Czepiel
It isn't luck to stay out of jail.

Irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant when you're going to look for a job? Have you
ever hired someone with a felony criminal record?

Post by Sarah Czepiel
It isn't luck to stay off drugs and alcohol.

Irrelevant.

Have you ever hired a druggie or an alcoholic for a job position?

Post by Gregory Shearman
Please stop blaming people for being poor.. you may suffer a turn of
fortune and end up poor...

No I won't Gregory and do you know why? I won't end up poor because I
have an education, and a willingness to WORK.

Let's hope you suffer no misfortune and you end up poor...

How is that going to happen? And be specific.

Post by Gregory Shearman
you'd probably
KILL yourself from the SHAME of it!! ALL....YOUR.....FAULT!!

Post by Gregory Shearman
[pathetic stereotyping deleted]

If it's pathetic stereotyping then why are we hearing horror stories
from foreign tourists who were trapped in the Superdome.

Because they were horror stories?

Do you know the definition of stereotyping?

Post by Gregory Shearman
What I've read from Australians trapped in the superdome was that they
grouped together with OTHER NEW ORLEANS RESIDENTS to protect themselves
from other criminal types....
Get that???

Here's a cite which contradicts your claims.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,16483597%5E2862,00.html

You got a cite which supports your position?

Post by Gregory Shearman
You wish to engage in pathetic stereotyping... but only a FEW of the New
Orleans refugees were criminals...

According to your own fellow Australians 98% of the people in the
Superdome were criminals. That's more than a FEW. :)

Post by Gregory Shearman
...and have luck... otherwise you may end up poor and be blamed for it by
shortsighted bigots who discount their own lucky circumstances.

You're a whiny Leninist Liberal.

If anything, I'm a bakuninist Anarchist...

Actually you're just a whiny school aged kid from your writings.

Post by Gregory Shearman
...but you wouldn't have a fucking clue what THAT is...

I can utilize Google. More important, why should I care? You can't
seem to make your point whatever label you put to yourself.

Post by Gregory Shearman
...and have luck... otherwise you'll be blamed for being poor by
shortsighted bigots who discount their own lucky circumstances.

OK Gregory, tell me how the poor in NO can change their luck. And be
specific.

They can have the great bird of happiness shit on them.... what else??
FFS...

Can't you answer? Do all your flowery useless platitudes always
dissolve in the light of scrutiny?

Post by Sarah Czepiel
You seem to think that people of means just sprouted out of pots of
gold.

There are a lot of losers for every winner...
That's the way of life.

You have all the whiny platitudes and talking points and none of the
answers or solutions. Time you get in touch of reality.

Gregory Shearman

2005-09-09 13:21:58 UTC

Post by Sarah Czepiel
Like....what? You presume to know my life's history so let's have it.

You are literate and you can use a computer, which I assume is your own.
You are VERY lucky to have these things.

You've given me a few presumptions of what I've earned.

...given the luck you've had.

Post by Sarah Czepiel
I asked you to state what 'LOT of luck' you presume I have.

The luck to be born into a family with a working family member.... just
for a start...

Post by Sarah Czepiel
Answer the question.

I'll do whatever the fuck I like. I don't like your attitude.

Post by Gregory Shearman
Do you think you are the ONLY one to work hard???

Do you think you aren't going to get anywhere WITHOUT working hard?

You didn't answer the question. Others work VERY hard but suffer bad
luck... the worst bad luck is being born to dirt poor parents.

Call Colin Powell. Is he unlucky?

He's lucky.

He's a military man... he survived.

Post by Gregory Shearman
If he'd had the luck to be born into a family which didn't have such a
burden then he could have stayed at school and gone on to university.

You haven't provided any evidence that your grandparents own
mismanagement of their finances and overspending didn't land themselves
in that position.

Irrelevant. Is it the fault of a child if their family are mismanaged
their finances??

Post by Sarah Czepiel
It isn't luck to stay out of jail.

Irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant when you're going to look for a job? Have you
ever hired someone with a felony criminal record?

We don't HAVE "felonies" in this country.

Try not speaking in your own dialect.

Post by Sarah Czepiel
It isn't luck to stay off drugs and alcohol.

Irrelevant.

Have you ever hired a druggie or an alcoholic for a job position?

Irrelevant.

Post by Gregory Shearman
Please stop blaming people for being poor.. you may suffer a turn of
fortune and end up poor...

No I won't Gregory and do you know why? I won't end up poor because I
have an education, and a willingness to WORK.

Let's hope you suffer no misfortune and you end up poor...

How is that going to happen? And be specific.

Use your own imagination...

Or is that your problem?

Post by Sarah Czepiel
If it's pathetic stereotyping then why are we hearing horror stories
from foreign tourists who were trapped in the Superdome.

Because they were horror stories?

Do you know the definition of stereotyping?

Do YOU?

Here's a cite which contradicts your claims.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,16483597%5E2862,00.html

Oooh!!! Bush's mate Murdoch is a fucking liar...

Your source is shit.

Post by Sarah Czepiel
You got a cite which supports your position?

You got a cite that is anything more than bullshit?

Post by Sarah Czepiel
According to your own fellow Australians 98% of the people in the
Superdome were criminals. That's more than a FEW. :)

According to ONE loudmouth... in a murdoch lie sheet.

Don't believe ANYTHING you read in a Murdoch paper.

Post by Sarah Czepiel
You're a whiny Leninist Liberal.

If anything, I'm a bakuninist Anarchist...

Actually you're just a whiny school aged kid from your writings.

Your lack of perception is especially highlighted by the above statement.

Post by Gregory Shearman
...but you wouldn't have a fucking clue what THAT is...

I can utilize Google. More important, why should I care?

I thought you didn't have a clue and I was correct.

Post by Sarah Czepiel
You can't seem to make your point whatever label you put to yourself.

You can hold any silly opinion you like...

Post by Sarah Czepiel
OK Gregory, tell me how the poor in NO can change their luck. And be
specific.

They can have the great bird of happiness shit on them.... what else??
FFS...

Can't you answer? Do all your flowery useless platitudes always
dissolve in the light of scrutiny?

How do you make luck? Pray to the sky-pilot???

Ask a rational question and you'll get a rational answer.

Post by Sarah Czepiel
You seem to think that people of means just sprouted out of pots of
gold.

There are a lot of losers for every winner...
That's the way of life.

You have all the whiny platitudes and talking points and none of the
answers or solutions.

You can have any silly opinion you like... that's what freedom is...

Post by Sarah Czepiel
Time you get in touch of reality.

Can you supply a translation?

--
Regards,
Gregory.
"Ding-a-Ding Dang, My Dang-a-Long Ling Long."

Sarah Czepiel

2005-09-09 15:37:13 UTC

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 23:21:58 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Sarah Czepiel
Time you get in touch of reality.

Can you supply a translation?

Yes, I understand why people advised me to killfile your tedious silly
arse.

;)

Gregory Shearman

2005-09-11 23:49:18 UTC

Post by Sarah Czepiel
On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 23:21:58 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Sarah Czepiel
Time you get in touch of reality.

Can you supply a translation?

Yes, I understand why people advised me to killfile your tedious silly
arse.

Thanks for the translation, but you should stick to English in these
newsgroups. Not everyone can understand your twisted language.

--
Regards,
Gregory.
"Ding-a-Ding Dang, My Dang-a-Long Ling Long."

Sarah Czepiel

2005-09-12 00:30:15 UTC

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:49:18 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Sarah Czepiel
On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 23:21:58 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Sarah Czepiel
Time you get in touch of reality.

Can you supply a translation?

Yes, I understand why people advised me to killfile your tedious silly
arse.

Thanks for the translation, but you should stick to English in these
newsgroups. Not everyone can understand your twisted language.

Who besides yourself has a problem exactly? :)

Take your time giving me your usual non-answer.

Gregory Shearman

2005-09-12 23:28:04 UTC

Post by Sarah Czepiel
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:49:18 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Sarah Czepiel
On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 23:21:58 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Sarah Czepiel
Time you get in touch of reality.

Can you supply a translation?

Yes, I understand why people advised me to killfile your tedious silly
arse.

Thanks for the translation, but you should stick to English in these
newsgroups. Not everyone can understand your twisted language.

Who besides yourself has a problem exactly? :)

Pardon??

Can you supply another translation?

--
Regards,
Gregory.
"Ding-a-Ding Dang, My Dang-a-Long Ling Long."

Sarah Czepiel

2005-09-13 04:42:58 UTC

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:28:04 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Sarah Czepiel
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:49:18 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Sarah Czepiel
On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 23:21:58 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Sarah Czepiel
Time you get in touch of reality.

Can you supply a translation?

Yes, I understand why people advised me to killfile your tedious silly
arse.

Thanks for the translation, but you should stick to English in these
newsgroups. Not everyone can understand your twisted language.

Who besides yourself has a problem exactly? :)

Pardon??

Pardon? Why pardon? You don't understand the question? Did you
ever understand the question? Are you a English speaker Gregory? Do
you read English but don't speak it? Maybe you can speak it but not
read it? Or write it? Perhaps you speak English and read English and
write English but can't read English for comprehension? Is that your
English problem Gregory?

Post by Gregory Shearman
Can you supply another translation?

You said Thanks for the translation. Now you want another
translation? Are you confused Gregory? Did you misspeak ? Are you
now misspeaking? Past and present misspeaking? Do you really mean
'will you' instead of 'can you'? That's obviously the better way to
address the question Gregory.

Who's Zeke?

John Smith

2005-09-12 03:23:14 UTC

Post by Sarah Czepiel
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:30:42 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Sarah Czepiel
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:09:48 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Sarah Czepiel
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:46:17 +1000, Gregory Shearman

Post by Gregory Shearman
Are you blaming people for being poor??

...and had a LOT of luck along the way...

Like....what? You presume to know my life's history so let's have it.

You are literate and you can use a computer, which I assume is your own.
You are VERY lucky to have these things.

You've given me a few presumptions of what I've earned. I asked you
to state what 'LOT of luck' you presume I have. Answer the
question.

Post by Gregory Shearman
Do you think you are the ONLY one to work hard???

Do you think you aren't going to get anywhere WITHOUT working hard?

You didn't answer the question. Others work VERY hard but suffer bad
luck... the worst bad luck is being born to dirt poor parents.

Call Colin Powell. Is he unlucky?

Post by Gregory Shearman
Others work hard but for lack of a little luck, end up poor..

Bullcrap. It isn't luck to stay in school and get a free education.

My father had to leave school at fifteen so that he could help save the
family farm from bankruptcy...
If he'd had the luck to be born into a family which didn't have such a
burden then he could have stayed at school and gone on to university.

You haven't provided any evidence that your grandparents own
mismanagement of their finances and overspending didn't land
themselves in that position.

Post by Sarah Czepiel
It isn't luck to stay out of jail.

Irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant when you're going to look for a job? Have you
ever hired someone with a felony criminal record?

Post by Sarah Czepiel
It isn't luck to stay off drugs and alcohol.

Irrelevant.

Have you ever hired a druggie or an alcoholic for a job position?

That last line reminds me on a song the Beatles sang...Twist and Shout.

John

Post by Gregory Shearman
Please stop blaming people for being poor.. you may suffer a turn of
fortune and end up poor...

No I won't Gregory and do you know why? I won't end up poor because I
have an education, and a willingness to WORK.

Let's hope you suffer no misfortune and you end up poor...

How is that going to happen? And be specific.

Post by Gregory Shearman
you'd probably
KILL yourself from the SHAME of it!! ALL....YOUR.....FAULT!!

Post by Gregory Shearman
[pathetic stereotyping deleted]

If it's pathetic stereotyping then why are we hearing horror stories
from foreign tourists who were trapped in the Superdome.

Because they were horror stories?

Do you know the definition of stereotyping?

Here's a cite which contradicts your claims.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,16483597%5E2862,00.html
You got a cite which supports your position?

Post by Gregory Shearman
You wish to engage in pathetic stereotyping... but only a FEW of the New
Orleans refugees were criminals...

According to your own fellow Australians 98% of the people in the
Superdome were criminals. That's more than a FEW. :)

Post by Gregory Shearman
...and have luck... otherwise you may end up poor and be blamed for it by
shortsighted bigots who discount their own lucky circumstances.

You're a whiny Leninist Liberal.

If anything, I'm a bakuninist Anarchist...

Actually you're just a whiny school aged kid from your writings.

Post by Gregory Shearman
...but you wouldn't have a fucking clue what THAT is...

I can utilize Google. More important, why should I care? You can't
seem to make your point whatever label you put to yourself.

Post by Gregory Shearman
...and have luck... otherwise you'll be blamed for being poor by
shortsighted bigots who discount their own lucky circumstances.

OK Gregory, tell me how the poor in NO can change their luck. And be
specific.

They can have the great bird of happiness shit on them.... what else??
FFS...

Can't you answer? Do all your flowery useless platitudes always
dissolve in the light of scrutiny?

Post by Sarah Czepiel
You seem to think that people of means just sprouted out of pots of
gold.

There are a lot of losers for every winner...
That's the way of life.

You have all the whiny platitudes and talking points and none of the
answers or solutions. Time you get in touch of reality.

Gooserider

2005-09-06 09:37:48 UTC

Who the FUCK are you babbling about?
Are you blaming people for being poor??

Post by Gooserider
Unless you think they're just STUPID.

No, just poor, and for that CRIME they were left in New Orleans to die.

Yep... there's one in the white house, but everyone else has to make do
with the shit jobs...
Why are you blaming people for being poor???

Post by Gooserider
I guess it's just easier for a whiny liberal like you to assume they
just can't do it, and need to be taken care of. That's quite
paternalistic and RACIST of you.

So, when the next hurricane is due to hit, will the rich people AGAIN
leave the poor to die in their hovels?
Gee... in Indonesia they HELPED people who were trapped by the tsunami,
they didn't BLAME them for being in its path...
Your tirade is pathetic and self-serving. By an accident of birth, you are
rich enough to feel safe and secure... and yet you deny your own luck to
blame people for being poor.
I suggest you lock yourself in your panic room and don't come out. We
don't need your type in the world.

You really don't have a clue, do you? My father was a Louisiana State Police
officer, one of the LOWEST paid state police in the country. I grew up
wearing shoes from K-Mart, you dick. I have achieved the small success I
have ON MY OWN. I stayed out of trouble in high school and got good grades,
but I decided to take care of myself and JOIN THE MILITARY. The military
taught me responsibility, and gave me money for college. Now I own my home
and have a decent life. Want to know why the ghetto blacks are in the
ghetto? It's because of decisions THEY make.

Drugs, pregnancy, gangs, dropping out of school, etc. There are so many
opportunities for blacks there to better themselves, but they don't try.
It's far easier to impregnate a bunch of girls and sling drugs on the
corner. Paternalistic liberal whiners like you are the people who enable the
destruction of black society. Piss off.

Gregory Shearman

2005-09-07 00:05:18 UTC

Post by Gooserider
You really don't have a clue, do you? My father was a Louisiana State Police
officer, one of the LOWEST paid state police in the country. I grew up
wearing shoes from K-Mart, you dick. I have achieved the small success I
have ON MY OWN. I stayed out of trouble in high school and got good grades,
but I decided to take care of myself and JOIN THE MILITARY. The military
taught me responsibility, and gave me money for college. Now I own my home
and have a decent life. Want to know why the ghetto blacks are in the
ghetto? It's because of decisions THEY make.

As I've said, by an accident of birth and a little good fortune, you are
rich enough to feel safe and secure...

So that you can engage in a pathetic round of victim blaming.

Shame on you...

Post by Gooserider
Drugs, pregnancy, gangs, dropping out of school, etc. There are so many
opportunities for blacks there to better themselves, but they don't try.

Who's THEY???

As I've already explained, some (like yourself) are lucky, others are NOT
lucky...

Stop your pathetic victim blaming.

Post by Gooserider
It's far easier to impregnate a bunch of girls and sling drugs on the
corner. Paternalistic liberal whiners like you are the people who enable the
destruction of black society. Piss off.

Ah yes! Now you add abuse to your litany of victim blaming. You don't make
things easy for yourself, do you?

How sad it is that you cannot see your good fortune for what it is, and
enjoy it without blaming others for their lack of good fortune.

Others work hard and suffer from bad luck... yet YOU choose to blame them
for being poor.

Shame on you...

--
Regards,
Gregory.
"Ding-a-Ding Dang, My Dang-a-Long Ling Long."

Oliver Costich

2005-09-04 17:25:01 UTC

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:43:32 GMT, "Gooserider"

Post by Glenn
And you know what? Even if the poor whites were looting and robbing,
wouldn't it be nice if the blacks could have made them the only ones
doing it

Over 70% of the population of New Orleans is black.
Around 40% of families in New Orleans earn less than $20k per year.
Average household income in New Orleans is $43k per year.
It is clearly a city with a stark difference between the haves and the
have nots.
In case there is any confusion as to whether being black correlates
strongly with being poor in new Orleans, the average income per capita
for white people is $31,971pa and the average per capita income for
black people is $11,332pa.
So if you wonder why we aren't seeing poor white people out looting, its
probably because the tiny number of poor whites among the huge number of
poor blacks makes it far less likely they will be captured in any random
filming session.
"According to U.S. Department of Justice statistics, blacks commit 54
percent of murders, 42 percent of forcible rapes, 59 percent of
robberies and 38 percent of aggravated assaults. For the most part, the
victims are black. Ninety-three percent of murdered blacks were murdered
by a black." (http://boards.billmaher.com/archive/index.php/t-3258.html)
So its safe to say that New Orleans had a major problem with crime
before the flooding and the natural disaster just brought it out into
the open.
Hopefully the USA will learn something from this experience and do
something to eliminate the social, cultural and economic forces behind
the problem.
But then they may just declare another "war" on the problem, kill a few
looters and leave things pretty much as they are.

Nobody forced them to be poor.

Stupid comment.

Wayne

2005-09-05 10:27:24 UTC

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 13:25:01 -0400, Oliver Costich
<olc-***@comcast.net> wrote:

}On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:43:32 GMT, "Gooserider"
}<***@mousepotato.com> wrote:
}
}>
}>"David Moss" <***@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message
}>news:***@news.bigpond.com...
}>> In article <431ad1c4$0$6961$***@news.usenetcompany.com>,
}>> ***@yahoo.co.uk writes...
}>>
}>>> And you know what? Even if the poor whites were looting and robbing,
}>>> wouldn't it be nice if the blacks could have made them the only ones
}>>> doing it
}>>
}>> Over 70% of the population of New Orleans is black.
}>> Around 40% of families in New Orleans earn less than $20k per year.
}>> Average household income in New Orleans is $43k per year.
}>> It is clearly a city with a stark difference between the haves and the
}>> have nots.
}>>
}>> In case there is any confusion as to whether being black correlates
}>> strongly with being poor in new Orleans, the average income per capita
}>> for white people is $31,971pa and the average per capita income for
}>> black people is $11,332pa.
}>>
}>> So if you wonder why we aren't seeing poor white people out looting, its
}>> probably because the tiny number of poor whites among the huge number of
}>> poor blacks makes it far less likely they will be captured in any random
}>> filming session.
}>>
}>> BTW I read recently that:
}>> "According to U.S. Department of Justice statistics, blacks commit 54
}>> percent of murders, 42 percent of forcible rapes, 59 percent of
}>> robberies and 38 percent of aggravated assaults. For the most part, the
}>> victims are black. Ninety-three percent of murdered blacks were murdered
}>> by a black." (http://boards.billmaher.com/archive/index.php/t-3258.html)
}>>
}>> So its safe to say that New Orleans had a major problem with crime
}>> before the flooding and the natural disaster just brought it out into
}>> the open.
}>>
}>> Hopefully the USA will learn something from this experience and do
}>> something to eliminate the social, cultural and economic forces behind
}>> the problem.
}>>
}>> But then they may just declare another "war" on the problem, kill a few
}>> looters and leave things pretty much as they are.
}>
}>Nobody forced them to be poor.
}>
}
}Stupid comment.

Truth hurts.

David Moss

2005-09-05 05:58:21 UTC

Post by David Moss
something to eliminate the social, cultural and economic forces behind
the problem.
But then they may just declare another "war" on the problem, kill a few
looters and leave things pretty much as they are.

Nobody forced them to be poor.

You reckon?

Some people say they are forcing themselves to be poor. That is, the
actions and attitudes of black people result in a cycle of poverty.

This conveniently misses the point that the people doing the forcing are
not the people who are trying to improve their lot.

Crime is a huge problem for black people in the USA, and here in Oz.
Here too the "they deserve it cos they are doing it to themselves" is
never far from the surface.

Crime means black people do not get the same opportunity as others.
Skilled teachers do not want to live and work in high crime areas, so
education suffers. People do not want to operate businesses in high
crime areas, so there are fewer services and less jobs. In an
environment that does not value education and unemployment is high,
crime flourishes, a vicious circle.

The answer in New Orleans, as in Oz, is simple: provide the same level
of security for black people as white people expect.

Sure that may mean a very high ratio of police to citizens in affected
areas. Sure it takes a hard judge who is willing to let people suffer
the consequences of their actions. Sure it means paying a premium for
quality teachers to live and work there. Sure it will cost a packet in
the short term. But in the long term it will empower the people, build
safe communities, deliver businesses, services, jobs and a higher living
standard for all concerned.

--
DM
personal opinion only

Stan Pierce

2005-09-05 07:16:26 UTC

"David Moss" <***@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message news:***@news.bigpond.com...
(snipped)

Post by David Moss
Crime means black people do not get the same opportunity as others.
Skilled teachers do not want to live and work in high crime areas, so
education suffers. People do not want to operate businesses in high
crime areas, so there are fewer services and less jobs. In an
environment that does not value education and unemployment is high,
crime flourishes, a vicious circle.
The answer in New Orleans, as in Oz, is simple: provide the same level
of security for black people as white people expect.

No, you have assessed it ass about. 'Providing security' are the very words
that keeps them where they are. People have to have a CAPABILITY to appreciate
security.
To those in New Orleans ' providing security' means to them ' being hounded ' by
racist pigs. Security will ' provoke' them. Mark my words that is exactly
what will happen when the troops arrive. The words in English have different
effects on people and that is determined by previous cultural attitudes to white
men. It will be Fallujah- on -Sea .

David Moss

2005-09-05 08:18:45 UTC

Post by Stan Pierce
(snipped)

This is one of the rare occasions I agree with you Stan.
Not that race has a bearing, but culture certainly does.

Culture causes 50 Irish pub patrons to all claim to be "in the toilet"
when someone got their throat cut in the main bar.

It causes black people to remain silent when a family member is raped,
bashed or robbed by another black person. Its also the reason why there
is a 95% probability that when a black person in murdered in the USA,
the perpetrator is another black person.

But isolating and alienating a group of people reinforces their
culture. Inclusion, assistance and a shared understanding has the
opposite effect. Positive role models other than from a culture of
violence and crime can play their part too.

In a country that produces a new handgun every 12 seconds it is
debatable whether mainstream culture can be of much assistance, but it
remains the only chance at any improvement at all.

--
DM
personal opinion only

Wayne

2005-09-05 10:32:10 UTC

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:18:45 GMT, David Moss
<***@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote:

}In article <ehSSe.23621$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
}***@bigpond.net.au writes...
}
}>
}> "David Moss" <***@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message
}> news:***@news.bigpond.com...
}> (snipped)
}> > Crime means black people do not get the same opportunity as others.
}> > Skilled teachers do not want to live and work in high crime areas, so
}> > education suffers. People do not want to operate businesses in high
}> > crime areas, so there are fewer services and less jobs. In an
}> > environment that does not value education and unemployment is high,
}> > crime flourishes, a vicious circle.
}> >
}> > The answer in New Orleans, as in Oz, is simple: provide the same level
}> > of security for black people as white people expect.
}>
}> No, you have assessed it ass about. 'Providing security' are the very words
}> that keeps them where they are. People have to have a CAPABILITY to appreciate
}> security.
}> To those in New Orleans ' providing security' means to them ' being hounded ' by
}> racist pigs. Security will ' provoke' them. Mark my words that is exactly
}> what will happen when the troops arrive. The words in English have different
}> effects on people and that is determined by previous cultural attitudes to white
}> men. It will be Fallujah- on -Sea .
}
}This is one of the rare occasions I agree with you Stan.
}Not that race has a bearing, but culture certainly does.
}
}Culture causes 50 Irish pub patrons to all claim to be "in the toilet"
}when someone got their throat cut in the main bar.
}
}It causes black people to remain silent when a family member is raped,
}bashed or robbed by another black person. Its also the reason why there
}is a 95% probability that when a black person in murdered in the USA,
}the perpetrator is another black person.
}
}But isolating and alienating a group of people reinforces their
}culture. Inclusion, assistance and a shared understanding has the
}opposite effect. Positive role models other than from a culture of
}violence and crime can play their part too.
}
}In a country that produces a new handgun every 12 seconds it is
}debatable whether mainstream culture can be of much assistance, but it
}remains the only chance at any improvement at all.

You could of course take a few into your home, nothing is stopping
you. Lead by example

David Moss

2005-09-05 10:42:15 UTC

Post by Wayne
On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:18:45 GMT, David Moss
}
}>
}> (snipped)
}> > Crime means black people do not get the same opportunity as others.
}> > Skilled teachers do not want to live and work in high crime areas, so
}> > education suffers. People do not want to operate businesses in high
}> > crime areas, so there are fewer services and less jobs. In an
}> > environment that does not value education and unemployment is high,
}> > crime flourishes, a vicious circle.
}> >
}> > The answer in New Orleans, as in Oz, is simple: provide the same level
}> > of security for black people as white people expect.
}>
}> No, you have assessed it ass about. 'Providing security' are the very words
}> that keeps them where they are. People have to have a CAPABILITY to appreciate
}> security.
}> To those in New Orleans ' providing security' means to them ' being hounded ' by
}> racist pigs. Security will ' provoke' them. Mark my words that is exactly
}> what will happen when the troops arrive. The words in English have different
}> effects on people and that is determined by previous cultural attitudes to white
}> men. It will be Fallujah- on -Sea .
}
}This is one of the rare occasions I agree with you Stan.
}Not that race has a bearing, but culture certainly does.
}
}Culture causes 50 Irish pub patrons to all claim to be "in the toilet"
}when someone got their throat cut in the main bar.
}
}It causes black people to remain silent when a family member is raped,
}bashed or robbed by another black person. Its also the reason why there
}is a 95% probability that when a black person in murdered in the USA,
}the perpetrator is another black person.
}
}But isolating and alienating a group of people reinforces their
}culture. Inclusion, assistance and a shared understanding has the
}opposite effect. Positive role models other than from a culture of
}violence and crime can play their part too.
}
}In a country that produces a new handgun every 12 seconds it is
}debatable whether mainstream culture can be of much assistance, but it
}remains the only chance at any improvement at all.
You could of course take a few into your home, nothing is stopping
you. Lead by example

I have done that on several occasions.
I never advocate anything I am not willing to do myself.

--
DM
personal opinion only

Mark Addinall

2005-09-05 12:29:46 UTC

David does, and has done.

And your credentials are?

Mark Addinall.

Stan Pierce

2005-09-05 12:12:42 UTC

"David Moss" <***@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message news:***@news.bigpond.com...
(snipped)

Post by David Moss
But isolating and alienating a group of people reinforces their
culture. Inclusion, assistance and a shared understanding has the
opposite effect.

If you think that, take the Muslim nutter cases in Britain. The ISOLATION is
psychological and self imposed. You can do nothing for such people. In fact
'helping' them actually makes them feel more self important in their
helplessness because you are giving them attention...like children. They become
dependant on the attention you give them even when they misbehave.

The words 'inclusion, assistance and understanding' give nice warm fuzzy
feelings of self satisfaction to people who offer it but the Black receiver
doesn't respond the way you expect. Quite often it creats more hatred because
you are in fact treating them as inferior anyway by trying to help.

I know this might be a bit hard to understand but when you do someone a favour
out of compassion you effectively create an enemy down the line. This has
been the white Christian mans mistake through history and with the Blacks it
just seems to make them hate us all the more. I know Will Shakespeare had
something to say about it but it escapes me at the moment.

j***@jisc.ac.uk

2005-09-05 12:20:36 UTC

Post by Stan Pierce
I know this might be a bit hard to understand but when you do someone a favour
out of compassion you effectively create an enemy down the line. This has
been the white Christian mans mistake through history and with the Blacks it
just seems to make them hate us all the more. I know Will Shakespeare had
something to say about it but it escapes me at the moment.

"Even now, very now, an old black ram is tupping your white ewe"
(Othello, Act one, Scene one)?.

David Moss

2005-09-05 12:54:34 UTC

Post by Stan Pierce
(snipped)

Post by David Moss
But isolating and alienating a group of people reinforces their
culture. Inclusion, assistance and a shared understanding has the
opposite effect.

If you think that, take the Muslim nutter cases in Britain. The ISOLATION is
psychological and self imposed.

I tend to think more about the Irish Christian nutter cases in the UK.
They have been responsible for far more terrorist activity.
If you want an example of isolation you need look no further than them.
12' high chainwire fences around their enclaves, Huge IRA murals on
their walls, still dirt poor, ignorant and living with daily violence.

Post by Stan Pierce
You can do nothing for such people. In fact
'helping' them actually makes them feel more self important in their
helplessness because you are giving them attention...like children. They become
dependant on the attention you give them even when they misbehave.
The words 'inclusion, assistance and understanding' give nice warm fuzzy
feelings of self satisfaction to people who offer it but the Black receiver
doesn't respond the way you expect. Quite often it creats more hatred because
you are in fact treating them as inferior anyway by trying to help.

You probably have a different idea of inclusion, assistance and
understanding than me. As far as I am concerned I make the effort and it
is up to the other how they deal with it. Sometimes you have a win,
sometimes you don't. Recently I arranged a job for a young bloke who was
failing all his subjects at school and getting in trouble with the cops.
He lasted 1 day, never came back again. Sure I was a bit upset, but then
I pulled myself up and realised its none of my business what he does
with the chance, the only important thing is I offered it. Next kid I
send there may turn his or her whole life around or they may quit
sooner. Their choice, not mine.

Also, I don't care who hates me. Its like water off a ducks back.
I don't do it to make people grateful, I do it because I think it needs
doing.

Depends how you go about it.

--
DM
personal opinion only

fasgnadh

2005-09-05 14:21:50 UTC

Post by Stan Pierce
(snipped)

Post by David Moss
But isolating and alienating a group of people reinforces their
culture. Inclusion, assistance and a shared understanding has the
opposite effect.

If you think that, take the Muslim nutter cases in Britain. The ISOLATION is
psychological and self imposed.

Muslims can't be that isolated, not as isolated as a Nazi like Stan
when they become Miss England;

Subject: "Muslim teen makes history as first Miss England"
Message-ID: <***@yahoo.com.au>
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 00:05:36 +1000

Post by Stan Pierce
You can do nothing for such people.

You can't, but she doesn't need anything from you.

Now a real man could think of something... ;-)

Post by Stan Pierce
In fact
'helping' them actually makes them feel more self important in their
helplessness because you are giving them attention...like children. They become
dependant on the attention you give them even when they misbehave.

She's a biochem graduate who speaks six languages,
you are a lardarse nazi who can barely make sense in one! B^D

Post by Stan Pierce
The words 'inclusion, assistance and understanding' give nice warm fuzzy
feelings of self satisfaction to people who offer it but the Black receiver
doesn't respond the way you expect.

B^D Stan forgot that this was an anti-muslim rant and slipped into
his anti-black rant... B^D it's basically the same rant! B^D

Post by Stan Pierce
I know this might be a bit hard to understand

complete gibberish, but we understand why you spout it.

Post by Stan Pierce
but when you do someone a favour
out of compassion you effectively create an enemy down the line. This has
been the white Christian mans mistake through history and with the Blacks it
just seems to make them hate us all the more.

He He.. blacks, Muslims, lefties.. they all look alike to Stan..
he want's the oven for them all.

Post by Stan Pierce
I know Will Shakespeare had
something to say about it but it escapes me at the moment.

That's what your doctor said about you,
rhymes with Puck, all the morals of Lady Macbeth
and it's escaped at the moment.

Gooserider

2005-09-05 23:38:51 UTC

Post by Stan Pierce
(snipped)

This is one of the rare occasions I agree with you Stan.
Not that race has a bearing, but culture certainly does.
Culture causes 50 Irish pub patrons to all claim to be "in the toilet"
when someone got their throat cut in the main bar.
It causes black people to remain silent when a family member is raped,
bashed or robbed by another black person. Its also the reason why there
is a 95% probability that when a black person in murdered in the USA,
the perpetrator is another black person.
But isolating and alienating a group of people reinforces their
culture. Inclusion, assistance and a shared understanding has the
opposite effect. Positive role models other than from a culture of
violence and crime can play their part too.
In a country that produces a new handgun every 12 seconds it is
debatable whether mainstream culture can be of much assistance, but it
remains the only chance at any improvement at all.

And just why do you think we NEED to produce those handguns? :-)

d***@adfa.edu.au

2005-09-07 09:30:44 UTC

Gooserider wrote:
[cut]

Post by David Moss
In a country that produces a new handgun every 12 seconds it is
debatable whether mainstream culture can be of much assistance, but it
remains the only chance at any improvement at all.

And just why do you think we NEED to produce those handguns? :-)

I've always wondered.
Some sort of fashion accessory?

DM
personal opinion only

Gooserider

2005-09-05 23:37:26 UTC

Nobody forced them to be poor.

Sure. You see just how well that worked out in Los Angeles. If the NOPD were
to crack down, the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the other race
baiters would be crying racism and police oppression in a heartbeat. Then we
would have the NO riots v. 2.0.

Stan Pierce

2005-09-04 12:55:18 UTC

"David Moss" <***@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message news:***@news.bigpond.com...
(snipped)

Post by David Moss
So its safe to say that New Orleans had a major problem with crime
before the flooding and the natural disaster just brought it out into
the open.

Most American cities have this problem with Blacks. There is nothing that can
be done about it. It's the American albatross for ever and ever until the end
of civilized life on earth. This is what social scientists don't want to
believe. They are hoping for "coffee coloured people and the world to live as
one"... the Lennon religion so avidly believed in by Marxists :))
The most likely outcome is a disease that targets Blacks and wipes them
out...quite a possibility. Whites will be blamed for spreading it on
purpose...quite a possibility.

fasgnadh

2005-09-04 13:27:48 UTC

Post by Stan Pierce
(snipped)

Post by David Moss
So its safe to say that New Orleans had a major problem with crime
before the flooding and the natural disaster just brought it out into
the open.

Most American cities have this problem with Blacks.

Most Australian cities have it with whites?

What's your point you racist nazi shitpig?

In fact, our neighbours, the Indonesians
are getting sick of Australian druggies..

Post by Stan Pierce
There is nothing that can be done about it.

What? You mean White Folks are just natural criminals?

Post by Stan Pierce
It's the American albatross for ever and ever until the end
of civilized life on earth.

We all know Stans Final Solution:

# From: "Stan Pierce" <***@bigpond.net.au>
# Newsgroups:
aus.politics,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa
# Subject: Re: A Jewish view of Christians.
# Message-ID: <Hn8l9.545$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 02:22:31 GMT
#
#
# "As for being a nazi sympathiser, it took me nearly fifty years to
# become sympathetic towards Hitler. " - Stan Pierce.

# "I was told a story many years ago that Hitler cleared
# the streets of Germany by having motor vans that
# cruised the streets throwing gypsies
# and nere-do- wells into the back...then turned
# on a tap that tranfered the exhaust gases into them.
# Never found out if it was true, but it's tempting.
#
- Stan Sturm'n'Drang Pierce.

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Wayne

2005-09-05 10:36:44 UTC

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:55:18 GMT, "Stan Pierce"
<***@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

}
}"David Moss" <***@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message
}news:***@news.bigpond.com...
}(snipped)
}> So its safe to say that New Orleans had a major problem with crime
}> before the flooding and the natural disaster just brought it out into
}> the open.
}
}Most American cities have this problem with Blacks. There is nothing that can
}be done about it. It's the American albatross for ever and ever until the end
}of civilized life on earth. This is what social scientists don't want to
}believe. They are hoping for "coffee coloured people and the world to live as
}one"... the Lennon religion so avidly believed in by Marxists :))
} The most likely outcome is a disease that targets Blacks and wipes them
}out...quite a possibility. Whites will be blamed for spreading it on
}purpose...quite a possibility.
}

AIDS, the conspiracy theories have gone so far in Africa as to claim
it is spread by condoms - product of the evil white man. You can't
help these people, just pity them.

Gooserider

2005-09-05 23:40:55 UTC

Post by Stan Pierce
(snipped)

Post by David Moss
So its safe to say that New Orleans had a major problem with crime
before the flooding and the natural disaster just brought it out into
the open.

Most American cities have this problem with Blacks. There is nothing that
can be done about it. It's the American albatross for ever and ever
until the end of civilized life on earth. This is what social scientists
don't want to believe. They are hoping for "coffee coloured people and the
world to live as one"... the Lennon religion so avidly believed in by
Marxists :))
The most likely outcome is a disease that targets Blacks and wipes them
out...quite a possibility. Whites will be blamed for spreading it on
purpose...quite a possibility.

Well, there's HIV. HIV is spreading in the black population very rapidly.
Between HIV, violent crime, and crack, the blacks seem determined to end
themselves. Poor whites have the same problem with methamphetamine, but the
HIV doesn't seem to be hitting that population.

whitey

2005-09-06 11:39:37 UTC

This is because you don't find many poor white men "on the downlow"
--
Just a White Guy

Post by Stan Pierce
(snipped)

Post by David Moss
So its safe to say that New Orleans had a major problem with crime
before the flooding and the natural disaster just brought it out into
the open.

Most American cities have this problem with Blacks. There is nothing
that can be done about it. It's the American albatross for ever and
ever until the end of civilized life on earth. This is what social
scientists don't want to believe. They are hoping for "coffee coloured
people and the world to live as one"... the Lennon religion so avidly
believed in by Marxists :))
The most likely outcome is a disease that targets Blacks and wipes them
out...quite a possibility. Whites will be blamed for spreading it on
purpose...quite a possibility.

Well, there's HIV. HIV is spreading in the black population very rapidly.
Between HIV, violent crime, and crack, the blacks seem determined to end
themselves. Poor whites have the same problem with methamphetamine, but
the HIV doesn't seem to be hitting that population.

Wayne

2005-09-05 10:24:01 UTC

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:12:42 GMT, David Moss
<***@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote:

}In article <431ad1c4$0$6961$***@news.usenetcompany.com>,
}***@yahoo.co.uk writes...
}
}> And you know what? Even if the poor whites were looting and robbing,
}> wouldn't it be nice if the blacks could have made them the only ones
}> doing it
}
}Over 70% of the population of New Orleans is black.
}Around 40% of families in New Orleans earn less than $20k per year.
}Average household income in New Orleans is $43k per year.
}It is clearly a city with a stark difference between the haves and the
}have nots.
}
}In case there is any confusion as to whether being black correlates
}strongly with being poor in new Orleans, the average income per capita
}for white people is $31,971pa and the average per capita income for
}black people is $11,332pa.
}
}So if you wonder why we aren't seeing poor white people out looting, its
}probably because the tiny number of poor whites among the huge number of
}poor blacks makes it far less likely they will be captured in any random
}filming session.
}
}BTW I read recently that:
}"According to U.S. Department of Justice statistics, blacks commit 54
}percent of murders, 42 percent of forcible rapes, 59 percent of
}robberies and 38 percent of aggravated assaults. For the most part, the
}victims are black. Ninety-three percent of murdered blacks were murdered
}by a black." (http://boards.billmaher.com/archive/index.php/t-3258.html)
}
}So its safe to say that New Orleans had a major problem with crime
}before the flooding and the natural disaster just brought it out into
}the open.
}
}Hopefully the USA will learn something from this experience and do
}something to eliminate the social, cultural and economic forces behind
}the problem.
}

I don't think killing all blacks would get much support.

}But then they may just declare another "war" on the problem, kill a few
}looters and leave things pretty much as they are.

Certainly not going to be able to change the blacks.

Stan Pierce

2005-09-04 13:04:45 UTC

Post by Glenn
http://www.jamaica-star.com/thestar/20050902/cleisure/cleisure1.html

(snipped)

I haven't seen Jamaica since 1952 but I would bet King Street is still as
squalid now as it was then...and that was the best street in the city.

fasgnadh

2005-09-04 13:19:59 UTC

Post by Stan Pierce
I haven't seen Jamaica since 1952 but I would bet King Street is still as
squalid now as it was then...and that was the best street in the city.

Why Cain't thay all live like yu, Cleetus;

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Pablito

2005-09-04 13:18:28 UTC