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2017-06-16 17:30:35 UTC
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2017-06-16 18:44:28 UTC
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It would appear that the local anarchist 'rent a mob' have been quick to identify a group ripe for stirring up in order to support their alternative agenda.
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2017-06-16 19:14:40 UTC
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You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.

Just a mob.
jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
2017-06-16 19:43:47 UTC
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You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
There hasn't been any reporting of people uninvolved with the fire
taking advantage of all the donations. Does that mean it's not
happening?
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2017-06-16 20:22:31 UTC
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You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
There hasn't been any reporting of people uninvolved with the fire
taking advantage of all the donations. Does that mean it's not
happening?
Your psychopathy in full swing again, you abnormal perverted degenerate
psychopathic swine?
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Sick old pedo Andrew "Andrzej" Baron (aka "Ron Jacobson"/etc)
2017-06-17 11:42:54 UTC
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There hasn't been any reporting of people uninvolved with the fire
taking advantage of all the donations. Does that mean it's not
happening?
If you know otherwise, do report, old pedo Andrzej. Don't just throw
speculations around, silly boy.
Vidcapper
2017-06-17 07:26:27 UTC
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You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
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Brian Reay
2017-06-17 09:52:39 UTC
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You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
I'm no fan of May but at least she hasn't exploited the situation like
Corbyn and his cronies.
The Todal
2017-06-17 10:30:10 UTC
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You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
I'm no fan of May but at least she hasn't exploited the situation like
Corbyn and his cronies.
I'm no fan of May and I'm a Corbynite, but I think it's shameful how May
has been derided and mocked by most of the Tory news outlets that
previously supported her. They shamelessly pander to the public mood.
Nothing that she can do now will rehabilitate her reputation. It's as if
she had become Myra Hindley overnight.
Yellow
2017-06-17 11:15:23 UTC
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You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
I'm no fan of May but at least she hasn't exploited the situation like
Corbyn and his cronies.
I'm no fan of May and I'm a Corbynite, but I think it's shameful how May
has been derided and mocked by most of the Tory news outlets that
previously supported her. They shamelessly pander to the public mood.
On that, we agree. Even The Daily Mail are putting the boot in.
Post by The Todal
Nothing that she can do now will rehabilitate her reputation. It's as
if she had become Myra Hindley overnight.
I not sure she could of anyway, but yes - it is getting worse and worse
for her.

Apparently Boris is still the public's darling in which case it would,
in my view, make sense to just let him win the leadership election but
I'd put money on them picking the most unattractive and publicly
unpopular candidate they can dig up, to further their troubles with the
people.
Mike Swift
2017-06-17 11:01:08 UTC
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You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when she
does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
I saw the rent a mob on the news last night complete with Socialist
Worker banners, now there's an oxymoron statement for a start.

I'm not diminishing the grief and anger but don't these people realise
that the building is unsafe, when it is safe how do they think the
bodies are going to be identified, it was a huge fire, in some cases
there wont be much left to identify.

They will get answers but unlike their lynch mob mentality sadly it will
take time.

Mike
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abelard
2017-06-17 15:45:46 UTC
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Post by Yellow
You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when she
does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
I saw the rent a mob on the news last night complete with Socialist
Worker banners, now there's an oxymoron statement for a start.
but is is a natural alliance
Post by Mike Swift
I'm not diminishing the grief and anger but don't these people realise
that the building is unsafe, when it is safe how do they think the
bodies are going to be identified, it was a huge fire, in some cases
there wont be much left to identify.
They will get answers but unlike their lynch mob mentality sadly it will
take time.
at least they are exposing themselves in public...a public that
increasingly cynical of the fossil media
JNugent
2017-06-18 15:19:51 UTC
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"...Socialist Worker banners, now there's an oxymoron statement for a start".
Ophelia
2017-06-17 17:46:51 UTC
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You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(

Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

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You do know that the hard left are using this tragedy for their own ends,
don't you?
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2017-06-17 19:14:55 UTC
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You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
==
You do know that the hard left are using this tragedy for their own ends,
don't you?
We all do. The question is though, whether it will make anyone think
twice about voting for them in the future.

Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are
hard left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
Ophelia
2017-06-17 20:17:48 UTC
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You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
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You do know that the hard left are using this tragedy for their own ends,
don't you?
We all do. The question is though, whether it will make anyone think
twice about voting for them in the future.

Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are
hard left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?

===

If they do get in they will create havoc and no, I suspect they won't get
voted in in the future, but the damage they can do until then ...
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2017-06-17 23:07:10 UTC
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You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
==
You do know that the hard left are using this tragedy for their own ends,
don't you?
We all do. The question is though, whether it will make anyone think
twice about voting for them in the future.
Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are
hard left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
===
If they do get in they will create havoc and no, I suspect they won't get
voted in in the future, but the damage they can do until then ...
I am just hoping that, if any good can come of all this, that it will
backfire and make those who think Corbyn is just a harmless, kindly old
gentleman, reassess that view.
Mike Swift
2017-06-17 23:23:39 UTC
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I am just hoping that, if any good can come of all this, that it will backfire and
make those who think Corbyn is just a harmless, kindly old gentleman,
reassess that view.
You're in danger of underestimating the gross stupidity of the British
electorate as has been recently demonstrated.

Mike
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2017-06-18 06:28:08 UTC
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I am just hoping that, if any good can come of all this, that it will backfire and
make those who think Corbyn is just a harmless, kindly old gentleman,
reassess that view.
You're in danger of underestimating the gross stupidity of the British
electorate as has been recently demonstrated.
Surely the opposite has just been demonstrated?
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2017-06-18 13:46:41 UTC
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I am just hoping that, if any good can come of all this, that it will backfire and
make those who think Corbyn is just a harmless, kindly old gentleman,
reassess that view.
You're in danger of underestimating the gross stupidity of the British
electorate as has been recently demonstrated.
Surely the opposite has just been demonstrated?
I am honestly at a loss to know what exactly has been demonstrated.
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2017-06-18 13:51:24 UTC
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I am just hoping that, if any good can come of all this, that it will backfire and
make those who think Corbyn is just a harmless, kindly old gentleman,
reassess that view.
You're in danger of underestimating the gross stupidity of the British
electorate as has been recently demonstrated.
Surely the opposite has just been demonstrated?
I am honestly at a loss to know what exactly has been demonstrated.
that half the population have an iq below 100...as if more
evidence were required
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I am just hoping that, if any good can come of all this, that it will
backfire and
make those who think Corbyn is just a harmless, kindly old gentleman,
reassess that view.
You're in danger of underestimating the gross stupidity of the British
electorate as has been recently demonstrated.
Surely the opposite has just been demonstrated?
I am honestly at a loss to know what exactly has been demonstrated.
that half the population have an iq below 100...as if more
evidence were required
If that was true then I would not be at a loss. :-)
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2017-06-19 06:19:42 UTC
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I am just hoping that, if any good can come of all this, that it will backfire and
make those who think Corbyn is just a harmless, kindly old gentleman,
reassess that view.
You're in danger of underestimating the gross stupidity of the British
electorate as has been recently demonstrated.
Surely the opposite has just been demonstrated?
I am honestly at a loss to know what exactly has been demonstrated.
that half the population have an iq below 100...as if more
evidence were required
Surely half of *any* population will have an IQ below average (granted
that that average might not be exactly 100)
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2017-06-19 08:38:40 UTC
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I am just hoping that, if any good can come of all this, that it will
backfire and
make those who think Corbyn is just a harmless, kindly old gentleman,
reassess that view.
You're in danger of underestimating the gross stupidity of the British
electorate as has been recently demonstrated.
Surely the opposite has just been demonstrated?
I am honestly at a loss to know what exactly has been demonstrated.
that half the population have an iq below 100...as if more
evidence were required
Surely half of *any* population will have an IQ below average (granted
that that average might not be exactly 100)
if an iq test is designed for a particular population, part
of that design is to set the average at 100!

'exactly' is a delusion of the innumerate :-)
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You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
==
You do know that the hard left are using this tragedy for their own ends,
don't you?
We all do. The question is though, whether it will make anyone think
twice about voting for them in the future.
Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are
hard left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
===
If they do get in they will create havoc and no, I suspect they won't get
voted in in the future, but the damage they can do until then ...
I am just hoping that, if any good can come of all this, that it will
backfire and make those who think Corbyn is just a harmless, kindly old
gentleman, reassess that view.


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We can only hope, but I fear what he can do until then.
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2017-06-18 13:47:54 UTC
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You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
==
You do know that the hard left are using this tragedy for their own ends,
don't you?
We all do. The question is though, whether it will make anyone think
twice about voting for them in the future.
Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are
hard left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
===
If they do get in they will create havoc and no, I suspect they won't get
voted in in the future, but the damage they can do until then ...
I am just hoping that, if any good can come of all this, that it will
backfire and make those who think Corbyn is just a harmless, kindly old
gentleman, reassess that view.
I think you're out of touch with the popular mood. Nobody thinks of
Corbyn as a harmless, kindly old gentleman. Or a mugwump. He's a polite,
courteous but determined and passionate political campaigner. He's not
in it for personal fame and glory. He's not in it to dine at banquets
with heads of state, like Boris and Chums. He's in it to achieve a real
change in society and give people real jobs for decent pay, and give the
NHS the resources it needs.

When he visited the blackened remains of Grenfell Tower people crowded
around him as if he was Jesus Christ come among them. That's not likely
to result in what you hope for - an electorate who see him as a friend
of terrorists, an opportunist, a man who exploits tragedy in order to
achieve supreme power.
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2017-06-18 13:50:32 UTC
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You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
==
You do know that the hard left are using this tragedy for their own ends,
don't you?
We all do. The question is though, whether it will make anyone think
twice about voting for them in the future.
Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are
hard left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
===
If they do get in they will create havoc and no, I suspect they won't get
voted in in the future, but the damage they can do until then ...
I am just hoping that, if any good can come of all this, that it will
backfire and make those who think Corbyn is just a harmless, kindly old
gentleman, reassess that view.
I think you're out of touch with the popular mood. Nobody thinks of
Corbyn as a harmless, kindly old gentleman. Or a mugwump. He's a polite,
courteous but determined and passionate political campaigner. He's not
in it for personal fame and glory. He's not in it to dine at banquets
with heads of state, like Boris and Chums. He's in it to achieve a real
change in society and give people real jobs for decent pay, and give the
NHS the resources it needs.
no, he's in it for power over other people just like any socialist
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When he visited the blackened remains of Grenfell Tower people crowded
around him as if he was Jesus Christ come among them. That's not likely
to result in what you hope for - an electorate who see him as a friend
of terrorists, an opportunist, a man who exploits tragedy in order to
achieve supreme power.
the end justfies the means as it does for any socialist 'leader'
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2017-06-18 14:24:39 UTC
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I think you're out of touch with the popular mood. Nobody thinks of
Corbyn as a harmless, kindly old gentleman. Or a mugwump. He's a polite,
courteous but determined and passionate political campaigner. He's not
in it for personal fame and glory. He's not in it to dine at banquets
with heads of state, like Boris and Chums. He's in it to achieve a real
change in society and give people real jobs for decent pay, and give the
NHS the resources it needs.
no, he's in it for power over other people just like any socialist
If Jeremy Corbyn had been like other politicians and had wanted power,
money and prestige, he would have supported Labour leaders over the
decades. He'd have grovelled and fawned and got himself a shadow cabinet
post and maybe, when Labour was in power, a cabinet post.

However he is known for regularly rebelling and for telling his leader
the straight truth. That's part of his attraction. I'm not sure you
really get it, yet. Lots of senior politicians describe working with
Jeremy Corbyn in Commons committees and finding him courteous and honest
and pleasant to work with. But he doesn't like being whipped into a
lobby, and he respects the right of his own MPs to defy the whip too.
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I think you're out of touch with the popular mood. Nobody thinks of
Corbyn as a harmless, kindly old gentleman. Or a mugwump. He's a polite,
courteous but determined and passionate political campaigner. He's not
in it for personal fame and glory. He's not in it to dine at banquets
with heads of state, like Boris and Chums. He's in it to achieve a real
change in society and give people real jobs for decent pay, and give the
NHS the resources it needs.
no, he's in it for power over other people just like any socialist
If Jeremy Corbyn had been like other politicians and had wanted power,
money and prestige, he would have supported Labour leaders over the
decades. He'd have grovelled and fawned and got himself a shadow cabinet
post and maybe, when Labour was in power, a cabinet post.
However he is known for regularly rebelling and for telling his leader
like every socialist, he's a religious maniac and just knows
he has the one true faith in his knapsack...
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the straight truth.
ah yes, 'the straight truth'....
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That's part of his attraction. I'm not sure you
really get it,
don't be daft, i've researched cults in depth...

consider a person raised in catholicism or judaism...they are
disciplined and complex moral systems...they require
idealism nd a degree of study from their adherents...
and some other things...

then some ignorant rabble rouser like jerry comes along and
tells them they don't have to exert all that mental and emotional
effort...
that he has a simple creed that if they only obey him...they
will all go to heaven...

the relief is enormous....they can do anything they like
as long as they obey the fuhrer ...so they don't even have
to think for themselves...
the fuhrer will just take money of those awful capitalists/jooooz
or whatever..and manna will reign down upon them...

i am sure that you don't 'get it'
Post by The Todal
yet. Lots of senior politicians describe working with
Jeremy Corbyn in Commons committees and finding him courteous and honest
and pleasant to work with.
you should examine the descriptions of adolf and joe
Post by The Todal
But he doesn't like being whipped into a
lobby, and he respects the right of his own MPs to defy the whip too.
until he gets the whip hand of course
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I think you're out of touch with the popular mood. Nobody thinks of
Corbyn as a harmless, kindly old gentleman. Or a mugwump. He's a polite,
courteous but determined and passionate political campaigner. He's not
in it for personal fame and glory. He's not in it to dine at banquets
with heads of state, like Boris and Chums. He's in it to achieve a real
change in society and give people real jobs for decent pay, and give the
NHS the resources it needs.
no, he's in it for power over other people just like any socialist
Just recently, your anti-socialist rhetoric doesn't sound as absurd.
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Post by The Todal
When he visited the blackened remains of Grenfell Tower people crowded
around him as if he was Jesus Christ come among them. That's not likely
to result in what you hope for - an electorate who see him as a friend
of terrorists, an opportunist, a man who exploits tragedy in order to
achieve supreme power.
the end justfies the means as it does for any socialist 'leader'
On a side issue, you've repeated claimed that socialism is dying - but
doesn't the general election result contradict that somewhat?
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I think you're out of touch with the popular mood. Nobody thinks of
Corbyn as a harmless, kindly old gentleman. Or a mugwump. He's a polite,
courteous but determined and passionate political campaigner. He's not
in it for personal fame and glory. He's not in it to dine at banquets
with heads of state, like Boris and Chums. He's in it to achieve a real
change in society and give people real jobs for decent pay, and give the
NHS the resources it needs.
no, he's in it for power over other people just like any socialist
Just recently, your anti-socialist rhetoric doesn't sound as absurd.
it's just a matter of adjusting to reality

socialism is what socialists claim to be false consciousness
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When he visited the blackened remains of Grenfell Tower people crowded
around him as if he was Jesus Christ come among them. That's not likely
to result in what you hope for - an electorate who see him as a friend
of terrorists, an opportunist, a man who exploits tragedy in order to
achieve supreme power.
the end justfies the means as it does for any socialist 'leader'
On a side issue, you've repeated claimed that socialism is dying - but
doesn't the general election result contradict that somewhat?
he's such a harmless looking old gentleman....the children love
granps...he brings them sweets and makes them feel secure...
such an improvement on the real world those nasty tories go
on about...

it is said that government throw away elections and that other
parties don't win them...

theresa doesn''t like to be 'nasty'....she may have been top
of the class at backstreet grammar but she isn't exactly
deeeeeeeep or quick on her feet...

people like socialist johnny, fat ken and slow heseltine threw
the election/s to bliar...

the local myth is the redistribution is a socialist christmas
party...it isn't, it is a necessary part of the process of
protecting the halt and the lame...
i'm pretty sure that is what theresa is at ut she is not
too good at explaining that, especially with the allday
alllnight blithering and drums of jerry and the fossil medias...

the public become immune to facts when they are continually
bombarded with bull droppings...
every child in moscow became a good little commie and
every shild in riad or tehran becomes a good little sunni
or shia...

only when people are exposed to a wide range of models
can they start to distinguish among them...which is of
course not in the interests of the snake oil salesmen...
even that is not sufficient unless the children are taught
habitually to examine reality
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I think you're out of touch with the popular mood. Nobody thinks of
Corbyn as a harmless, kindly old gentleman. Or a mugwump. He's a polite,
courteous but determined and passionate political campaigner. He's not
in it for personal fame and glory. He's not in it to dine at banquets
with heads of state, like Boris and Chums. He's in it to achieve a real
change in society and give people real jobs for decent pay, and give the
NHS the resources it needs.
ROFLMAO!
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I think you're out of touch with the popular mood. Nobody thinks of
Corbyn as a harmless, kindly old gentleman. Or a mugwump. He's a polite,
courteous but determined and passionate political campaigner. He's not
in it for personal fame and glory. He's not in it to dine at banquets
with heads of state, like Boris and Chums. He's in it to achieve a real
change in society and give people real jobs for decent pay, and give the
NHS the resources it needs.
ROFLMAO!
A kindly Marxist, loved by one and all. Who'd have thought?
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I think you're out of touch with the popular mood. Nobody thinks of
Corbyn as a harmless, kindly old gentleman. Or a mugwump. He's a polite,
courteous but determined and passionate political campaigner. He's not
in it for personal fame and glory. He's not in it to dine at banquets
with heads of state, like Boris and Chums. He's in it to achieve a real
change in society and give people real jobs for decent pay, and give the
NHS the resources it needs.
ROFLMAO!
A kindly Marxist, loved by one and all. Who'd have thought?
One day you guys will see the light. Or we'll line you up against the
wall and shoot you.
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I think you're out of touch with the popular mood. Nobody thinks of
Corbyn as a harmless, kindly old gentleman. Or a mugwump. He's a polite,
courteous but determined and passionate political campaigner. He's not
in it for personal fame and glory. He's not in it to dine at banquets
with heads of state, like Boris and Chums. He's in it to achieve a real
change in society and give people real jobs for decent pay, and give the
NHS the resources it needs.
ROFLMAO!
A kindly Marxist, loved by one and all. Who'd have thought?
One day you guys will see the light. Or we'll line you up against the
wall and shoot you.
:-)
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I am just hoping that, if any good can come of all this, that it will
backfire and make those who think Corbyn is just a harmless, kindly old
gentleman, reassess that view.
I think you're out of touch with the popular mood. Nobody thinks of
Corbyn as a harmless, kindly old gentleman. Or a mugwump.
No one? You sure?
Post by The Todal
He's a polite,
courteous but determined and passionate political campaigner.
I notice you did not include "honest" or "genuine" in your list. He is a
politician like any other, trying to get what he wants by saying
whatever he needs to, to achieve his goal.
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He's not in it for personal fame and glory.
I agree, he is in it to achieve his vision of a Marxist utopia.
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He's not in it to dine at banquets
with heads of state, like Boris and Chums. He's in it to achieve a real
change in society
I agree.
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and give people real jobs for decent pay,
Real jobs? People have unreal jobs???? People with skills do get decent
pay - I am sue you do, and so did I when I was working as an engineer.

The problem is always jobs and pay for people without skills. I would
like to see these people trained but Labour instead just wants to bring
in more unskilled immigrants to flood the market further, which then
means businesses have to be legislated to pay them more.

It is a funny business if I may say so.
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and give the NHS the resources it needs.
I agree the NHS needs more money.
Post by The Todal
When he visited the blackened remains of Grenfell Tower people crowded
around him as if he was Jesus Christ come among them.
Yes - that was nicely staged managed, wasn't it. But tell me this, how
did it actually help anyone?
Post by The Todal
That's not likely
to result in what you hope for - an electorate who see him as a friend
of terrorists, an opportunist, a man who exploits tragedy in order to
achieve supreme power.
I hoped he would lose, and he did - thank the gods!
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/theresa-may-grenfell-tower-fire-protests-church-coward-chants-pm-surrounded-latest-news-a7794106.html
You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
==
You do know that the hard left are using this tragedy for their own ends,
don't you?
We all do. The question is though, whether it will make anyone think
twice about voting for them in the future.
Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are
hard left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
===
If they do get in they will create havoc and no, I suspect they won't get
voted in in the future, but the damage they can do until then ...
I am just hoping that, if any good can come of all this, that it will
backfire and make those who think Corbyn is just a harmless, kindly old
gentleman, reassess that view.
I think you're out of touch with the popular mood. Nobody thinks of
Corbyn as a harmless, kindly old gentleman. Or a mugwump. He's a polite,
courteous but determined and passionate political campaigner. He's not
in it for personal fame and glory. He's not in it to dine at banquets
with heads of state, like Boris and Chums. He's in it to achieve a real
change in society and give people real jobs for decent pay, and give the
NHS the resources it needs.
When he visited the blackened remains of Grenfell Tower people crowded
around him as if he was Jesus Christ come among them. That's not likely
to result in what you hope for - an electorate who see him as a friend
of terrorists, an opportunist, a man who exploits tragedy in order to
achieve supreme power.
Perhaps after the election, Jeremy Christ should have cemented his
majority-less victory by riding into Parliament Square on an ass.

Oh, but Diane Abbott was still unwell at that point.
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Perhaps after the election, Jeremy Christ should have cemented his
majority-less victory by riding into Parliament Square on an ass.
Oh, but Diane Abbott was still unwell at that point.
But hasn't he already ridden her...
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Perhaps after the election, Jeremy Christ should have cemented his
majority-less victory by riding into Parliament Square on an ass.
Oh, but Diane Abbott was still unwell at that point.
But hasn't he already ridden her...
Not in public.
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Perhaps after the election, Jeremy Christ should have cemented his
majority-less victory by riding into Parliament Square on an ass.
Oh, but Diane Abbott was still unwell at that point.
But hasn't he already ridden her...
Not in public.
that is not the scuttlebut i've seen...

i'm told he deliberately 'exposed' his prize to his fellow right-on
lefties
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/theresa-may-grenfell-tower-fire-protests-church-coward-chants-pm-surrounded-latest-news-a7794106.html
You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
==
You do know that the hard left are using this tragedy for their own ends,
don't you?
We all do.
But we may be confused about our terminology.

There is no "hard left" within the Labour Party. I therefore agree that
the "hard left" are using the tragedy for their own ends insofar as a
lot of bearded oiks carrying Socialist Worker placards, accompanied by a
rentamob gang of thugs in balaclavas, are trying to get added support
for their own vision of socialism. They are largely harmless and can
never realistically expect to gain power in Britain.


The question is though, whether it will make anyone think
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twice about voting for them in the future.
I don't think the Communist Party of Great Britain ever puts up
candidates during general elections. Not usually, anyway.
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Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are
hard left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
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You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
==
You do know that the hard left are using this tragedy for their own ends,
don't you?
We all do.
But we may be confused about our terminology.
There is no "hard left" within the Labour Party.
So how would you describe McDonnell's politics for example?
Post by The Todal
I therefore agree that
the "hard left" are using the tragedy for their own ends insofar as a
lot of bearded oiks carrying Socialist Worker placards, accompanied by a
rentamob gang of thugs in balaclavas, are trying to get added support
for their own vision of socialism. They are largely harmless and can
never realistically expect to gain power in Britain.
The question is though, whether it will make anyone think
Post by Yellow
twice about voting for them in the future.
I don't think the Communist Party of Great Britain ever puts up
candidates during general elections. Not usually, anyway.
Post by Yellow
Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are
hard left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/theresa-may-grenfell-tower-fire-protests-church-coward-chants-pm-surrounded-latest-news-a7794106.html
You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
==
You do know that the hard left are using this tragedy for their own ends,
don't you?
We all do.
But we may be confused about our terminology.
There is no "hard left" within the Labour Party. I therefore agree that
the "hard left" are using the tragedy for their own ends insofar as a
lot of bearded oiks carrying Socialist Worker placards, accompanied by a
rentamob gang of thugs in balaclavas, are trying to get added support
for their own vision of socialism. They are largely harmless and can
never realistically expect to gain power in Britain.
The question is though, whether it will make anyone think
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twice about voting for them in the future.
I don't think the Communist Party of Great Britain ever puts up
candidates during general elections. Not usually, anyway.
Not *openly*, anyway - but how many Labour candidates have union backing...
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Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are
hard left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
It isn't an issue where there should be any difference between Tory
voters and Labour voters. All are (or should be) equally horrified by
the crass mistakes of central government and Kensington and Chelsea
council.

Nobody should be looking to make excuses for the ministers and officials
whose negligence has caused this loss of life.

David Cameron's declared ambition to repeal the health and safety
regulations to make it easier for industry to operate, may have resulted
in carelessness. The minister who declared that it was for the fire
sprinkler industry to market sprinkler systems to the owners of tower
blocks and government should stand aside, should take some of the blame.
Any ministers who ignored warnings from fire chiefs must also take part
of the blame.

It is entirely understandable that most members of the public blame the
Tory government. However, give it a few weeks and the fury will die down.

Meanwhile:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/17/tower-block-fire-warnings-grenfell-victims

Fire chief tells of repeated rebuffs by ministers as Theresa May admits
Grenfell victims were let down

As public outrage mounted and political pressure grew on Theresa May
over the tragedy, former chief fire officer Ronnie King – who is
secretary of the all-party parliamentary group on fire safety – said
urgent requests for meetings with ministers and action to tighten rules
were stonewalled.

King also revealed that ministers had failed to insist that life-saving
sprinkler systems were mandatory in the design of new schools in
England, despite clear recommendations in reports commissioned by the
government itself, which advocated their use.
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Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are
hard left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
It isn't an issue where there should be any difference between Tory
voters and Labour voters. All are (or should be) equally horrified by
the crass mistakes of central government and Kensington and Chelsea
council.
Nobody should be looking to make excuses for the ministers and officials
whose negligence has caused this loss of life.
and yet another socialist wants the verdict before the trial...
let alone before the investigation

at least your cult can be relied upon for stupidity
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Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are
hard left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
It isn't an issue where there should be any difference between Tory
voters and Labour voters. All are (or should be) equally horrified by
the crass mistakes of central government and Kensington and Chelsea
council.
There is certainly lots of blame, nonsense and propaganda flying about -
that is for sure - some genuine, some whipped up for political
advantage, but at this stage *no one* knows what/which failures caused
these death.

No one!
Post by The Todal
Nobody should be looking to make excuses for the ministers and
officials whose negligence has caused this loss of life.
Are you therefore advocating that we do not bother with an investigation
and an inquiry to find out what went wrong? Because you already know who
is to blame.

And would your view be the same if it tower block which had burned was
in a Labour held borough rather than in a Tory one?
Post by The Todal
David Cameron's declared ambition to repeal the health and safety
regulations to make it easier for industry to operate, may have resulted
in carelessness.
Tower blocks aren't industry so it would be different legislation, but
let's run with your statement - did he say all health and safety
legislation should simply be repealed? Willy-nilly?

I do not remember this but surely that was not what he was actually
suggesting. I guess what I am asking is are you just quote-mining or did
he really say that we should remove all fire regulations, requirements
for safety equipment, for machines to have guards and instructions, and
for people to be trained - etc etc etc?

I am genuinely interested.

But in any case - this has no bearing on the tower block fire.
Post by The Todal
The minister who declared that it was for the fire
sprinkler industry to market sprinkler systems to the owners of tower
blocks and government should stand aside, should take some of the blame.
Any ministers who ignored warnings from fire chiefs must also take part
of the blame.
I have no idea about sprinkler systems but I doubt it would have helped
the tower block unless there had been one fitted inside the flat of the
where the fire started as it looked like it went up the outside of the
building, which it was obviously not supposed to do.

But that is a question for the enquiry, and blindly advocating sprinkler
systems in isolation is as useful as blinding advocating any other
individual element of a system without knowing all the ramifications,
limitations, practicalities and costs.

Hopefully however, after the investigation, we will know more.
Post by The Todal
It is entirely understandable that most members of the public blame the
Tory government. However, give it a few weeks and the fury will die down.
Which "public" is that then?
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/17/tower-block-fire-warnings-grenfell-victims
Fire chief tells of repeated rebuffs by ministers as Theresa May admits
Grenfell victims were let down
As public outrage mounted and political pressure grew on Theresa May
over the tragedy, former chief fire officer Ronnie King ? who is
secretary of the all-party parliamentary group on fire safety ? said
urgent requests for meetings with ministers and action to tighten rules
were stonewalled.
King also revealed that ministers had failed to insist that life-saving
sprinkler systems were mandatory in the design of new schools in
England, despite clear recommendations in reports commissioned by the
government itself, which advocated their use.
It is one article among many but it is all hyperbole and hysteria, to
sell papers because we need first to find out why the fire spread like
it did and go from there.
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I have no idea about sprinkler systems but I doubt it would have helpe
the tower block unless there had been one fitted inside the flat of the
where the fire started
untrue
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I have no idea about sprinkler systems but I doubt it would have helpe
the tower block unless there had been one fitted inside the flat of the
where the fire started
untrue
Well surely the whole idea of fitting a sprinkler system is to put them in the flats, because those are the most likely areas for fires to start.

I doubt they would discriminate between a black person's flat and white persons, unless certain uk.p.m. poster had performed the installation.

But as we well know, the government would rather spend billions spying on innocent civilians round the clock, rather than improve their living conditions.
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I have no idea about sprinkler systems but I doubt it would have helpe
the tower block unless there had been one fitted inside the flat of the
where the fire started
untrue
As I have made no statement that I claim to be a fact, nothing I have
said (apart from the bit where I highlight I am no expert!) is "untrue".

But if you are an expert, I and everyone else in the group would be
delighted to read your contribution, if only you could be arsed.
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I have no idea about sprinkler systems but I doubt it would have
helpe the tower block unless there had been one fitted inside the
flat of the where the fire started
untrue
As I have made no statement that I claim to be a fact, nothing I have
said (apart from the bit where I highlight I am no expert!) is "untrue".
But if you are an expert, I and everyone else in the group would be
delighted to read your contribution, if only you could be arsed.
false. sprinklers go off where there is fire. older types had a wax head.

sprinker sprinkles water, extinguishes fire

water from the water mains .. continues to sprinkle.

whole building wet, sprinkled, all floors

fire does not perpetuate
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I have no idea about sprinkler systems but I doubt it would have
helpe the tower block unless there had been one fitted inside the
flat of the where the fire started
untrue
As I have made no statement that I claim to be a fact, nothing I have
said (apart from the bit where I highlight I am no expert!) is "untrue".
But if you are an expert, I and everyone else in the group would be
delighted to read your contribution, if only you could be arsed.
false. sprinklers go off where there is fire. older types had a wax head.
sprinker sprinkles water, extinguishes fire
water from the water mains .. continues to sprinkle.
whole building wet, sprinkled, all floors
fire does not perpetuate
Thank you Einstein.
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I have no idea about sprinkler systems but I doubt it would have
helpe the tower block unless there had been one fitted inside the
flat of the where the fire started
untrue
As I have made no statement that I claim to be a fact, nothing I have
said (apart from the bit where I highlight I am no expert!) is "untrue".
But if you are an expert, I and everyone else in the group would be
delighted to read your contribution, if only you could be arsed.
false. sprinklers go off where there is fire. older types had a wax head.
sprinker sprinkles water, extinguishes fire
water from the water mains .. continues to sprinkle.
whole building wet, sprinkled, all floors
fire does not perpetuate
Thank you Einstein.
would think it's also about cooling
electionshock
2017-06-18 18:03:22 UTC
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"Cladding used on Grenfell Tower blamed for spreading the blaze is banned
in Britain, Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond has said.
The chancellor said a criminal investigation would examine whether
building regulations had been breached when the block was overhauled.
Mr Hammond said the public inquiry set up by the Government following the
tragedy would also examine if rules had been broken.
He told BBC One’s Andrew Marr Show: “My understanding is the cladding in
question, this flammable cladding which is banned in Europe and the US,
is also banned here.
“So there are two separate questions. One, are our regulations correct,
do they permit the right kind of materials and ban the wrong kind of
materials? The second question is were they correctly complied with?
“That will be a subject that the inquiry will look at. It will also be a
subject that the criminal investigation will be looking at.”
Mr Hammond also addressed the issue of the lack of sprinklers in Grenfell
Tower, saying that retro-fitting tower blocks with sprinklers is not
always the best way to protect them from fires. The chancellor said his
government wants to see the technical advice before deciding whether to
go ahead with such a move. Leading fire safety experts have said it is
not always necessary to retro-fit sprinklers to make a building safe,
according to Mr Hammond.
“If the conclusion of a proper technical evaluation is that that is the
best way to deal with the problem, then of course.
“But my understanding is that the best expert advice is that retro-
fitting sprinklers may not always be the best technical way of ensuring
fire safety in a building.
“If it is, it should be done, but let’s get the technical advice,
properly evaluated by a public inquiry, and then let’s decide how to go
forward.
“If there is something that needs to be done to make buildings safe, it
will be done.”

Told that technical advice is not needed to understand that sprinklers
would help tackle fires, he replied: “These are technical questions.”"

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/cladding-used-on-grenfell-tower-
is-illegal-in-uk-chancellor-1.3124086

"yellow" will tell us. "yellow" is an expert
Judith
2017-06-18 21:17:16 UTC
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"Cladding used on Grenfell Tower blamed for spreading the blaze is banned
in Britain, Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond has said.
The chancellor said a criminal investigation would examine whether
building regulations had been breached when the block was overhauled.
Mr Hammond said the public inquiry set up by the Government following the
tragedy would also examine if rules had been broken.
He told BBC One’s Andrew Marr Show: “My understanding is the cladding in
question, this flammable cladding which is banned in Europe and the US,
is also banned here.
“So there are two separate questions. One, are our regulations correct,
do they permit the right kind of materials and ban the wrong kind of
materials? The second question is were they correctly complied with?
“That will be a subject that the inquiry will look at. It will also be a
subject that the criminal investigation will be looking at.”
Mr Hammond also addressed the issue of the lack of sprinklers in Grenfell
Tower, saying that retro-fitting tower blocks with sprinklers is not
always the best way to protect them from fires. The chancellor said his
government wants to see the technical advice before deciding whether to
go ahead with such a move. Leading fire safety experts have said it is
not always necessary to retro-fit sprinklers to make a building safe,
according to Mr Hammond.
“If the conclusion of a proper technical evaluation is that that is the
best way to deal with the problem, then of course.
“But my understanding is that the best expert advice is that retro-
fitting sprinklers may not always be the best technical way of ensuring
fire safety in a building.
“If it is, it should be done, but let’s get the technical advice,
properly evaluated by a public inquiry, and then let’s decide how to go
forward.
“If there is something that needs to be done to make buildings safe, it
will be done.”
Told that technical advice is not needed to understand that sprinklers
would help tackle fires, he replied: “These are technical questions.”"
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/cladding-used-on-grenfell-tower-
is-illegal-in-uk-chancellor-1.3124086
"yellow" will tell us. "yellow" is an expert
No he's not - he doesn't know how to Google.
Judith
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I have no idea about sprinkler systems but I doubt it would have
helpe the tower block unless there had been one fitted inside the
flat of the where the fire started
untrue
As I have made no statement that I claim to be a fact, nothing I have
said (apart from the bit where I highlight I am no expert!) is "untrue".
But if you are an expert, I and everyone else in the group would be
delighted to read your contribution, if only you could be arsed.
false. sprinklers go off where there is fire. older types had a wax head.
sprinker sprinkles water, extinguishes fire
water from the water mains .. continues to sprinkle.
whole building wet, sprinkled, all floors
fire does not perpetuate
Thank you Einstein.
Well at least he knows how to Google.
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are you an expert on sprinklers?

thought the mechanism was self-explanatory

there were no sprinklers, so the fire went through those
residences, completely dry

the fire generated heat, sucked in air. there were dry
things to burn

you are saying that sprinkler systems don't work?

why are they installed in buildings as a fire extinguishing
facility
Yellow
2017-06-18 16:56:19 UTC
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I have no idea about sprinkler systems but I doubt it would have helpe
the tower block unless there had been one fitted inside the flat of the
where the fire started
untrue
Why have you chopped off the end of my sentence?

You know the bit, it started with the word "because".
Ophelia
2017-06-18 17:33:36 UTC
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I have no idea about sprinkler systems but I doubt it would have helpe
the tower block unless there had been one fitted inside the flat of the
where the fire started
untrue
Why have you chopped off the end of my sentence?

You know the bit, it started with the word "because".

==

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Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are hard
left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
I don't think they have that capability.

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The Todal
2017-06-18 13:52:01 UTC
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Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are hard
left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
I don't think they have that capability.
I think they lack the mental agility that you guys have. The ability to
see a third rate politician leading an austerity government that cuts
and cuts and expects people to maintain the same standard of service -
and to see this as a skilful responsible administration which we should
all admire because they are leaving us all with a bit more money in our
wallets.
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Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are hard
left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
I don't think they have that capability.
I think they lack the mental agility that you guys have. The ability to
see a third rate politician leading an austerity government that cuts
and cuts and expects people to maintain the same standard of service -
and to see this as a skilful responsible administration which we should
all admire because they are leaving us all with a bit more money in our
wallets.
But money in wallets is all the Tories care about.

They are not interested in the human side of life, the environment the mood of the nation, or overall standards of health and education.

Money is all that matters. As long as they have most of the money, nothing else matters.
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abelard
2017-06-18 14:10:34 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by Mike Swift
Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are hard
left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
I don't think they have that capability.
I think they lack the mental agility that you guys have. The ability to
see a third rate politician leading an austerity government that cuts
and cuts and expects people to maintain the same standard of service -
and to see this as a skilful responsible administration which we should
all admire because they are leaving us all with a bit more money in our
wallets.
But money in wallets is all the Tories care about.
They are not interested in the human side of life, the environment the mood of the nation, or overall standards of health and education.
Money is all that matters. As long as they have most of the money, nothing else matters.
it is grand to see that you socialists have no interest in money and
therefore no wish to take it from the hard pressed citizens

it would be awful if you wanted to take their money away to spend
it on your own vanities rather than let them free to sped it as
they chose
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2017-06-19 09:53:05 UTC
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Post by Yellow
says...
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Yellow
Post by Ted
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/theresa-may-grenfell-tower-fire-protests-church-coward-chants-pm-surrounded-latest-news-a7794106.html
You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
==
You do know that the hard left are using this tragedy for their own ends,
don't you?
We all do. The question is though, whether it will make anyone think
twice about voting for them in the future.
Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are
hard left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
I doubt they'll be put off. What we need is for people to stop emoting
and star thinking rationally.
abelard
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Post by Yellow
says...
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Yellow
Post by Ted
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/theresa-may-grenfell-tower-fire-protests-church-coward-chants-pm-surrounded-latest-news-a7794106.html
You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
==
You do know that the hard left are using this tragedy for their own ends,
don't you?
We all do. The question is though, whether it will make anyone think
twice about voting for them in the future.
Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are
hard left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
I doubt they'll be put off. What we need is for people to stop emoting
and star thinking rationally.
but that would destroy socialism overnight
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2017-06-19 13:07:50 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com>, abelard3
@abelard.org says...
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Post by Incubus
Post by Yellow
says...
Post by Ophelia
You do know that the hard left are using this tragedy for their own ends,
don't you?
We all do. The question is though, whether it will make anyone think
twice about voting for them in the future.
Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are
hard left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
I doubt they'll be put off. What we need is for people to stop emoting
and star thinking rationally.
but that would destroy socialism overnight
:-)

But I do not want socialism to end!

I like my NHS (more money please) and I like that we have a safety net
welfare system (less money please), but I do draw the line at Marxism.
abelard
2017-06-19 13:40:26 UTC
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says...
Post by Ophelia
You do know that the hard left are using this tragedy for their own ends,
don't you?
We all do. The question is though, whether it will make anyone think
twice about voting for them in the future.
Those of us who are centre and right are horrified while those who are
hard left are delighted. But what do those who are simply "left" think?
I doubt they'll be put off. What we need is for people to stop emoting
and star thinking rationally.
but that would destroy socialism overnight
:-)
But I do not want socialism to end!
I like my NHS (more money please) and I like that we have a safety net
there are good arguments for 'the nhs'...not for socialism...
http://www.abelard.org/socialism/labour-party-did-not-start-nhs.php

socialists have done a considerable job of myth making
Post by Yellow
welfare system (less money please), but I do draw the line at Marxism.
same with 'welfare...in both cases, very little to do with socialism
http://www.abelard.org/briefings/citizens_wage.php



http://www.abelard.org/briefings/socialist_religion.htm
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Post by Yellow
But I do not want socialism to end!
I like my NHS (more money please) and I like that we have a safety net
there are good arguments for 'the nhs'...not for socialism...
http://www.abelard.org/socialism/labour-party-did-not-start-nhs.php
socialists have done a considerable job of myth making
Who knows where we would be if the Labour Party had never been born, and
yes the NHS may have come into existence anyway, but I do believe their
existence was key to bringing about social reform.

But what the current leaders of the Labour Party want is not for us all
to rub along, helping each other out for the common good but to strip
away everything from the haves and to hand it over to the have-nots, to
bring us all down to the lowest common denominator.

Property is theft and all that.
Post by abelard
Post by Yellow
welfare system (less money please), but I do draw the line at Marxism.
same with 'welfare...in both cases, very little to do with socialism
http://www.abelard.org/briefings/citizens_wage.php
http://www.abelard.org/briefings/socialist_religion.htm
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Post by Yellow
But I do not want socialism to end!
I like my NHS (more money please) and I like that we have a safety net
there are good arguments for 'the nhs'...not for socialism...
http://www.abelard.org/socialism/labour-party-did-not-start-nhs.php
socialists have done a considerable job of myth making
Who knows where we would be if the Labour Party had never been born, and
yes the NHS may have come into existence anyway, but I do believe their
existence was key to bringing about social reform.
But what the current leaders of the Labour Party want is not for us all
to rub along, helping each other out for the common good but to strip
away everything from the haves and to hand it over to the have-nots, to
bring us all down to the lowest common denominator.
Property is theft and all that.
lefties are desperately shallow elitists...

they grew out of a disgust of the lower classes, wanting to bring in
eugenic policies...socialism is a low rent puritanical christianist
heresy

it has murdered and impoverished 10 of millions...

the labour party is a sectional selfish interest group owned until
recently by the unions, and exploitative of the poor and the
weak...

now the very worst of their marxist loons have captured even that

they are a very dangerous threat to civilisation
Post by Yellow
Post by abelard
Post by Yellow
welfare system (less money please), but I do draw the line at Marxism.
same with 'welfare...in both cases, very little to do with socialism
http://www.abelard.org/briefings/citizens_wage.php
http://www.abelard.org/briefings/socialist_religion.htm
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Post by Yellow
@abelard.org says...
Post by abelard
Post by Yellow
But I do not want socialism to end!
I like my NHS (more money please) and I like that we have a safety net
there are good arguments for 'the nhs'...not for socialism...
http://www.abelard.org/socialism/labour-party-did-not-start-nhs.php
socialists have done a considerable job of myth making
Who knows where we would be if the Labour Party had never been born, and
yes the NHS may have come into existence anyway, but I do believe their
existence was key to bringing about social reform.
But what the current leaders of the Labour Party want is not for us all
to rub along, helping each other out for the common good but to strip
away everything from the haves and to hand it over to the have-nots, to
bring us all down to the lowest common denominator.
Property is theft and all that.
lefties are desperately shallow elitists...
they grew out of a disgust of the lower classes, wanting to bring in
eugenic policies...socialism is a low rent puritanical christianist
heresy
it has murdered and impoverished 10 of millions...
the labour party is a sectional selfish interest group owned until
recently by the unions, and exploitative of the poor and the
weak...
now the very worst of their marxist loons have captured even that
they are a very dangerous threat to civilisation
Well, we are all entitled to our opinions.
Post by abelard
Post by Yellow
Post by abelard
Post by Yellow
welfare system (less money please), but I do draw the line at Marxism.
same with 'welfare...in both cases, very little to do with socialism
http://www.abelard.org/briefings/citizens_wage.php
http://www.abelard.org/briefings/socialist_religion.htm
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@abelard.org says...
Post by abelard
Post by Yellow
@abelard.org says...
Post by abelard
Post by Yellow
But I do not want socialism to end!
I like my NHS (more money please) and I like that we have a safety net
there are good arguments for 'the nhs'...not for socialism...
http://www.abelard.org/socialism/labour-party-did-not-start-nhs.php
socialists have done a considerable job of myth making
Who knows where we would be if the Labour Party had never been born, and
yes the NHS may have come into existence anyway, but I do believe their
existence was key to bringing about social reform.
But what the current leaders of the Labour Party want is not for us all
to rub along, helping each other out for the common good but to strip
away everything from the haves and to hand it over to the have-nots, to
bring us all down to the lowest common denominator.
Property is theft and all that.
lefties are desperately shallow elitists...
they grew out of a disgust of the lower classes, wanting to bring in
eugenic policies...socialism is a low rent puritanical christianist
heresy
it has murdered and impoverished 10 of millions...
the labour party is a sectional selfish interest group owned until
recently by the unions, and exploitative of the poor and the
weak...
now the very worst of their marxist loons have captured even that
they are a very dangerous threat to civilisation
Well, we are all entitled to our opinions.
i'm glad to hear that
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Post by Yellow
Post by abelard
Post by Yellow
welfare system (less money please), but I do draw the line at Marxism.
same with 'welfare...in both cases, very little to do with socialism
http://www.abelard.org/briefings/citizens_wage.php
http://www.abelard.org/briefings/socialist_religion.htm
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Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
You do know that the hard left are using this tragedy for their own
ends, don't you?
I know that, but the naive dupes who switched to Labour apparently do
not - or worse, they don't care.
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Quite so - they complain about her 'not turning up promptly', but when
she does turn up, they still have a go at her! :(
You do know that the hard left are using this tragedy for their own
ends, don't you?
I know that, but the naive dupes who switched to Labour apparently do
not - or worse, they don't care.

Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/theresa-may-grenfell-tower-fire-protests-church-coward-chants-pm-surrounded-latest-news-a7794106.html
You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Have you applied for your Daily Mail job yet?

You have no fucking idea whether any of the people protesting were caught up in
the fire.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/theresa-may-grenfell-tower-fire-protests-church-coward-chants-pm-surrounded-latest-news-a7794106.html
You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Have you applied for your Daily Mail job yet?
You have no fucking idea whether any of the people protesting were caught up in
the fire.
And you do?
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/theresa-may-grenfell-tower-fire-protests-church-coward-chants-pm-surrounded-latest-news-a7794106.html
You'd have thought it would have made more sense for people to take the
opportunity to tell her about what has happened to them but saying that,
I doubt any of the protesters were people caught up in the fire.
Just a mob.
Have you applied for your Daily Mail job yet?
You have no fucking idea whether any of the people protesting were caught up in
the fire.
And you do?
I seem to have more idea than you: I don't doubt that at least one of the
protesters *had* been caught up in the fire
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