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saracene
2018-01-12 10:56:05 UTC
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have adopted them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
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2018-01-12 11:01:31 UTC
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have adopted them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
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2018-01-12 11:08:46 UTC
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have adopted them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
he was more or less finished off by a horse and cart

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2018-01-12 11:10:34 UTC
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have adopted them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
he was more or less finished off by a horse and cart
hope that helps
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2018-01-12 11:09:58 UTC
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have adopted them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
Alternative translation:- “The values of the weak prevail because the strong have taken them over as devices of leadership”
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2018-01-12 11:34:01 UTC
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have adopted them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
Alternative translation:- “The values of the weak prevail because the strong have taken them over as devices of leadership”
Yes, I thought it would be something like that. Very appropriate, ATM,
I think. Something to do with enfeeblement and infantilisation.
saracene
2018-01-12 17:29:03 UTC
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have adopted them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
Alternative translation:- “The values of the weak prevail because the strong have taken them over as devices of leadership”
Yes, I thought it would be something like that. Very appropriate, ATM,
I think. Something to do with enfeeblement and infantilisation.
The point made by the interesting BBC series on Queen Jane that finished last night, was that the aristocratic elite could not rule without the support of the people. There were good rational reasons for the Duke of Northumberland setting up Lady Jane Grey as the monarch. This protected the recently established Protestant heritage. The bulk of public opinion was against it however, and the more popular Mary Tudor succeeded in ousting Jane, with Jane’s supporters in the Privy council nearly all switching sides. Bad as we know Bloody Mary turned out to be, there is something reassuringly democratic about the resistance of the English people to the domination of a self appointed and ideological elite.

I am reminded of Brexit and even more of Trump.

Two leading representative of the British left liberal elite Will Hutton and Nick Cohen are very frustrated and upset about the way things have been going.

In the conclusion to his readable book attacking New Labour "Pretty Straight Guys" in 2003, Cohen proposed a simple solution. What we needed was more democracy. He said it had never really been tried. More lately he has been having more complicated thoughts on the subject.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/brexit-is-the-new-low-point-of-british-democracy/

“Elections are too weak a control on power. As the Trump example shows they can be exploited by charismatic thugs. Electoral reform rewrites the problem rather than answering it. Meanwhile, Brexit shows that the direct democracy of a referendum allows charlatans to win with false promises; and then insist that the public cannot hold them to account in a second referendum; and that Parliament cannot intervene in the public interest because it would be defying the people’s will to do so.”

If it works well democracy is a good system of governance.

Of course the power base of the left liberal elite is not democracy but “values of the weak” which is to say bogus ideas of equality. When the democratic will turns against them they fall back on expostulations of morality, which have little rational basis but appeal to the resentment of self defined victims. They might win. If they do their victory is likely to nasty.
Dan S. MacAbre
2018-01-12 18:24:26 UTC
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have adopted them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
Alternative translation:- “The values of the weak prevail because the strong have taken them over as devices of leadership”
Yes, I thought it would be something like that. Very appropriate, ATM,
I think. Something to do with enfeeblement and infantilisation.
The point made by the interesting BBC series on Queen Jane that
Was it a drama, or a documentary? BBC documentaries can still,
occasionally be informative, but the drama is generally some kind of
propaganda. I don't have a TV licence, and don't want to break the law,
but if I've missed a good documentary, I'll go and watch it on mum and
dad's catch-up.

finished last night, was that the aristocratic elite could not rule
without the support of the people. There were good rational reasons for
the Duke of Northumberland setting up Lady Jane Grey as the monarch.
This protected the recently established Protestant heritage. The bulk of
public opinion was against it however, and the more popular Mary Tudor
succeeded in ousting Jane, with Jane’s supporters in the Privy council
nearly all switching sides. Bad as we know Bloody Mary turned out to be,
there is something reassuringly democratic about the resistance of the
English people to the domination of a self appointed and ideological elite.
My very humble opinion is that the English have had everything pretty
much sorted for a very long time, and that we should not allow our
identities to be cast into some globalist blender. Accustomed to our
ordered and gentle lives, we are easy prey.
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I am reminded of Brexit and even more of Trump.
Two leading representative of the British left liberal elite Will Hutton and Nick Cohen are very frustrated and upset about the way things have been going.
Is Will Hutton so prominent now? I used to think he was odd and
likeable on those various history documentaries, and things like Tudor
Monastery Farm. I even got me mum a book about pagans that he'd written.

I don't know who Nick Cohen is.
Post by saracene
In the conclusion to his readable book attacking New Labour "Pretty Straight Guys" in 2003, Cohen proposed a simple solution. What we needed was more democracy. He said it had never really been tried. More lately he has been having more complicated thoughts on the subject.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/brexit-is-the-new-low-point-of-british-democracy/
“Elections are too weak a control on power. As the Trump example shows they can be exploited by charismatic thugs. Electoral reform rewrites the problem rather than answering it. Meanwhile, Brexit shows that the direct democracy of a referendum allows charlatans to win with false promises; and then insist that the public cannot hold them to account in a second referendum; and that Parliament cannot intervene in the public interest because it would be defying the people’s will to do so.”
If it works well democracy is a good system of governance.
Of course the power base of the left liberal elite is not democracy but “values of the weak” which is to say bogus ideas of equality. When the democratic will turns against them they fall back on expostulations of morality, which have little rational basis but appeal to the resentment of self defined victims. They might win. If they do their victory is likely to nasty.
I don't know what the future of democracy is going to be. We thought we
had free speech pretty much sorted, but now that the left are doing the
censoring...
saracene
2018-01-12 19:06:34 UTC
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The point made by the interesting BBC series on Queen Jane that
Was it a drama, or a documentary?
Documentary.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2018/02/lady-jane-grey-ep1

I only heard the last two. It was very informative.
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BBC documentaries can still,
occasionally be informative, but the drama is generally some kind of
propaganda. I don't have a TV licence, and don't want to break the law,
but if I've missed a good documentary, I'll go and watch it on mum and
dad's catch-up.
finished last night, was that the aristocratic elite could not rule
without the support of the people. There were good rational reasons for
the Duke of Northumberland setting up Lady Jane Grey as the monarch.
This protected the recently established Protestant heritage. The bulk of
public opinion was against it however, and the more popular Mary Tudor
succeeded in ousting Jane, with Jane’s supporters in the Privy council
nearly all switching sides. Bad as we know Bloody Mary turned out to be,
there is something reassuringly democratic about the resistance of the
English people to the domination of a self appointed and ideological elite.
My very humble opinion is that the English have had everything pretty
much sorted for a very long time, and that we should not allow our
identities to be cast into some globalist blender. Accustomed to our
ordered and gentle lives, we are easy prey.
Post by saracene
I am reminded of Brexit and even more of Trump.
Two leading representative of the British left liberal elite Will Hutton and Nick Cohen are very frustrated and upset about the way things have been going.
Is Will Hutton so prominent now? I used to think he was odd and
likeable on those various history documentaries, and things like Tudor
Monastery Farm. I even got me mum a book about pagans that he'd written.
I don't know who Nick Cohen is.
Post by saracene
In the conclusion to his readable book attacking New Labour "Pretty Straight Guys" in 2003, Cohen proposed a simple solution. What we needed was more democracy. He said it had never really been tried. More lately he has been having more complicated thoughts on the subject.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/brexit-is-the-new-low-point-of-british-democracy/
“Elections are too weak a control on power. As the Trump example shows they can be exploited by charismatic thugs. Electoral reform rewrites the problem rather than answering it. Meanwhile, Brexit shows that the direct democracy of a referendum allows charlatans to win with false promises; and then insist that the public cannot hold them to account in a second referendum; and that Parliament cannot intervene in the public interest because it would be defying the people’s will to do so.”
If it works well democracy is a good system of governance.
Of course the power base of the left liberal elite is not democracy but “values of the weak” which is to say bogus ideas of equality. When the democratic will turns against them they fall back on expostulations of morality, which have little rational basis but appeal to the resentment of self defined victims. They might win. If they do their victory is likely to nasty.
I don't know what the future of democracy is going to be. We thought we
had free speech pretty much sorted, but now that the left are doing the
censoring...
Farmer Giles
2018-01-12 20:52:41 UTC
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have
adopted them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
Alternative translation:- “The values of the weak prevail because
the strong have taken them over as devices of leadership”
Yes, I thought it would be something like that.  Very appropriate, ATM,
I think.  Something to do with enfeeblement and infantilisation.
The point made  by the interesting BBC series on Queen Jane that
Was it a drama, or a documentary?  BBC documentaries can still,
occasionally be informative, but the drama is generally some kind of
propaganda.  I don't have a TV licence, and don't want to break the law,
but if I've missed a good documentary, I'll go and watch it on mum and
dad's catch-up.
finished last night, was that the aristocratic elite could not rule
without the support of the people.  There were good rational reasons for
the Duke of Northumberland setting up Lady Jane Grey as the monarch.
This protected the recently established Protestant heritage. The bulk of
public opinion was against it however, and the more popular Mary Tudor
succeeded in ousting Jane, with Jane’s supporters in the Privy council
nearly all switching sides. Bad as we know Bloody Mary turned out to be,
there is something reassuringly democratic about the resistance of the
English people to the domination of  a self appointed and ideological
elite.
My very humble opinion is that the English have had everything pretty
much sorted for a very long time, and that we should not allow our
identities to be cast into some globalist blender.  Accustomed to our
ordered and gentle lives, we are easy prey.
I am reminded of Brexit and even more of Trump.
Two leading representative of the British  left liberal elite Will
Hutton and Nick Cohen are very frustrated and upset about the way
things have been going.
Is Will Hutton so prominent now?  I used to think he was odd and
likeable on those various history documentaries, and things like Tudor
Monastery Farm.  I even got me mum a book about pagans that he'd written.
I don't know who Nick Cohen is.
In the conclusion to his readable book attacking New Labour "Pretty
Straight Guys" in 2003, Cohen proposed a simple solution. What we
needed was more democracy. He said it had never really been tried.
More lately he has been having more complicated thoughts on the subject.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/brexit-is-the-new-low-point-of-british-democracy/
“Elections are too weak a control on power. As the Trump example shows
they can be exploited by charismatic thugs. Electoral reform rewrites
the problem rather than answering it. Meanwhile, Brexit shows that the
direct democracy of a referendum allows charlatans to win with false
promises; and then insist that the public cannot hold them to account
in a second referendum; and that Parliament cannot intervene in the
public interest because it would be defying the people’s will to do so.”
If it works well democracy is a good system of governance.
Of course the power base of the left liberal elite is not democracy
but “values of the weak” which is to say bogus ideas of equality. When
the democratic will turns against them they fall back on
expostulations of morality, which have little rational basis but
appeal to the resentment of  self defined victims. They might win. If
they do their victory is likely to nasty.
I don't know what the future of democracy is going to be.  We thought we
had free speech pretty much sorted, but now that the left are doing the
censoring...
Free speech hasn't been 'sorted' for a long time. And please stop saying
it's the 'left' doing the censoring, that's just a cop-out. There is
nothing remotely 'left' about those attacking free speech and Western
values - they are an evil and vicious tyranny whose clear objective is
to destroy us.

I'm not going to spell out who 'they' are, that's what they'd love us to
do, but it should be perfectly clear to anyone with a functioning brain.
saracene
2018-01-12 21:39:14 UTC
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I'm not going to spell out who 'they' are, that's what they'd love us to
do, but it should be perfectly clear to anyone with a functioning brain.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b0f_1502823443&comments=1
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2018-01-12 23:03:53 UTC
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have
adopted them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
Alternative translation:- “The values of the weak prevail because
the strong have taken them over as devices of leadership”
Yes, I thought it would be something like that. Very appropriate, ATM,
I think. Something to do with enfeeblement and infantilisation.
The point made by the interesting BBC series on Queen Jane that
Was it a drama, or a documentary? BBC documentaries can still,
occasionally be informative, but the drama is generally some kind of
propaganda. I don't have a TV licence, and don't want to break the
law, but if I've missed a good documentary, I'll go and watch it on
mum and dad's catch-up.
finished last night, was that the aristocratic elite could not rule
without the support of the people. There were good rational reasons
for the Duke of Northumberland setting up Lady Jane Grey as the
monarch. This protected the recently established Protestant heritage.
The bulk of public opinion was against it however, and the more
popular Mary Tudor succeeded in ousting Jane, with Jane’s supporters
in the Privy council nearly all switching sides. Bad as we know Bloody
Mary turned out to be, there is something reassuringly democratic
about the resistance of the English people to the domination of a
self appointed and ideological elite.
My very humble opinion is that the English have had everything pretty
much sorted for a very long time, and that we should not allow our
identities to be cast into some globalist blender. Accustomed to our
ordered and gentle lives, we are easy prey.
Post by saracene
I am reminded of Brexit and even more of Trump.
Two leading representative of the British left liberal elite Will
Hutton and Nick Cohen are very frustrated and upset about the way
things have been going.
Is Will Hutton so prominent now? I used to think he was odd and
likeable on those various history documentaries, and things like Tudor
Monastery Farm. I even got me mum a book about pagans that he'd written.
I don't know who Nick Cohen is.
Post by saracene
In the conclusion to his readable book attacking New Labour "Pretty
Straight Guys" in 2003, Cohen proposed a simple solution. What we
needed was more democracy. He said it had never really been tried.
More lately he has been having more complicated thoughts on the subject.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/brexit-is-the-new-low-point-of-british-democracy/
“Elections are too weak a control on power. As the Trump example
shows they can be exploited by charismatic thugs. Electoral reform
rewrites the problem rather than answering it. Meanwhile, Brexit
shows that the direct democracy of a referendum allows charlatans to
win with false promises; and then insist that the public cannot hold
them to account in a second referendum; and that Parliament cannot
intervene in the public interest because it would be defying the
people’s will to do so.”
If it works well democracy is a good system of governance.
Of course the power base of the left liberal elite is not democracy
but “values of the weak” which is to say bogus ideas of equality.
When the democratic will turns against them they fall back on
expostulations of morality, which have little rational basis but
appeal to the resentment of self defined victims. They might win. If
they do their victory is likely to nasty.
I don't know what the future of democracy is going to be. We thought
we had free speech pretty much sorted, but now that the left are doing
the censoring...
Free speech hasn't been 'sorted' for a long time. And please stop saying
it's the 'left' doing the censoring, that's just a cop-out. There is
nothing remotely 'left' about those attacking free speech and Western
values - they are an evil and vicious tyranny whose clear objective is
to destroy us.
I'm not going to spell out who 'they' are, that's what they'd love us to
do, but it should be perfectly clear to anyone with a functioning brain.
I'm not going to make any great claims about the functioning of my brain
:-) But I'm guessing you mean Jews; and I'm not going to criticise, or
claim any great knowledge on the subject either way. If you'd care to
expand a little, I'd be genuinely interested. I will not come back and
say I believe anything or not (there are some things for which I need to
see in order to believe); but simply file it away and see if it offers
an explanation for anything I see in the future. If you prefer not to
go there (you say that's what they'd love us to do), I'll have to be
content with your hints :-)
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2018-01-13 09:22:28 UTC
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have
adopted them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
Alternative translation:- “The values of the weak prevail because
the strong have taken them over as devices of leadership”
Yes, I thought it would be something like that.  Very appropriate, ATM,
I think.  Something to do with enfeeblement and infantilisation.
The point made  by the interesting BBC series on Queen Jane that
Was it a drama, or a documentary?  BBC documentaries can still,
occasionally be informative, but the drama is generally some kind of
propaganda.  I don't have a TV licence, and don't want to break the
law, but if I've missed a good documentary, I'll go and watch it on
mum and dad's catch-up.
finished last night, was that the aristocratic elite could not rule
without the support of the people.  There were good rational reasons
for the Duke of Northumberland setting up Lady Jane Grey as the
monarch. This protected the recently established Protestant heritage.
The bulk of public opinion was against it however, and the more
popular Mary Tudor succeeded in ousting Jane, with Jane’s supporters
in the Privy council nearly all switching sides. Bad as we know Bloody
Mary turned out to be, there is something reassuringly democratic
about the resistance of the English people to the domination of  a
self appointed and ideological elite.
My very humble opinion is that the English have had everything pretty
much sorted for a very long time, and that we should not allow our
identities to be cast into some globalist blender.  Accustomed to our
ordered and gentle lives, we are easy prey.
I am reminded of Brexit and even more of Trump.
Two leading representative of the British  left liberal elite Will
Hutton and Nick Cohen are very frustrated and upset about the way
things have been going.
Is Will Hutton so prominent now?  I used to think he was odd and
likeable on those various history documentaries, and things like Tudor
Monastery Farm.  I even got me mum a book about pagans that he'd written.
I don't know who Nick Cohen is.
In the conclusion to his readable book attacking New Labour "Pretty
Straight Guys" in 2003, Cohen proposed a simple solution. What we
needed was more democracy. He said it had never really been tried.
More lately he has been having more complicated thoughts on the subject.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/brexit-is-the-new-low-point-of-british-democracy/
“Elections are too weak a control on power. As the Trump example
shows they can be exploited by charismatic thugs. Electoral reform
rewrites the problem rather than answering it. Meanwhile, Brexit
shows that the direct democracy of a referendum allows charlatans to
win with false promises; and then insist that the public cannot hold
them to account in a second referendum; and that Parliament cannot
intervene in the public interest because it would be defying the
people’s will to do so.”
If it works well democracy is a good system of governance.
Of course the power base of the left liberal elite is not democracy
but “values of the weak” which is to say bogus ideas of equality.
When the democratic will turns against them they fall back on
expostulations of morality, which have little rational basis but
appeal to the resentment of  self defined victims. They might win. If
they do their victory is likely to nasty.
I don't know what the future of democracy is going to be.  We thought
we had free speech pretty much sorted, but now that the left are doing
the censoring...
Free speech hasn't been 'sorted' for a long time. And please stop saying
it's the 'left' doing the censoring, that's just a cop-out. There is
nothing remotely 'left' about those attacking free speech and Western
values - they are an evil and vicious tyranny whose clear objective is
to destroy us.
I'm not going to spell out who 'they' are, that's what they'd love us to
do, but it should be perfectly clear to anyone with a functioning brain.
I'm not going to make any great claims about the functioning of my brain
:-)  But I'm guessing you mean Jews; and I'm not going to criticise, or
claim any great knowledge on the subject either way.  If you'd care to
expand a little, I'd be genuinely interested.  I will not come back and
say I believe anything or not (there are some things for which I need to
see in order to believe); but simply file it away and see if it offers
an explanation for anything I see in the future.  If you prefer not to
go there (you say that's what they'd love us to do), I'll have to be
content with your hints :-)
Your brain is functioning perfectly well, and you are clearly a
reasonable and fair-minded person - I'm sorry if you believe I was
implying otherwise.

No, I'm not going to expand on what I said - but the truth is very easy
to find if you dig about a bit and observe who's doing and saying what.

There is clearly a very determined agenda to destroy Europe and European
peoples worldwide, and there has been for a very long time. The media,
the schools and our politicians have all been subverted to the cause.
The plan, quite simply, is to replace us.
Dan S. MacAbre
2018-01-13 12:15:23 UTC
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have
adopted them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
Alternative translation:- “The values of the weak prevail because
the strong have taken them over as devices of leadership”
Yes, I thought it would be something like that. Very appropriate, ATM,
I think. Something to do with enfeeblement and infantilisation.
The point made by the interesting BBC series on Queen Jane that
Was it a drama, or a documentary? BBC documentaries can still,
occasionally be informative, but the drama is generally some kind of
propaganda. I don't have a TV licence, and don't want to break the
law, but if I've missed a good documentary, I'll go and watch it on
mum and dad's catch-up.
finished last night, was that the aristocratic elite could not rule
without the support of the people. There were good rational reasons
for the Duke of Northumberland setting up Lady Jane Grey as the
monarch. This protected the recently established Protestant heritage.
The bulk of public opinion was against it however, and the more
popular Mary Tudor succeeded in ousting Jane, with Jane’s supporters
in the Privy council nearly all switching sides. Bad as we know Bloody
Mary turned out to be, there is something reassuringly democratic
about the resistance of the English people to the domination of a
self appointed and ideological elite.
My very humble opinion is that the English have had everything pretty
much sorted for a very long time, and that we should not allow our
identities to be cast into some globalist blender. Accustomed to our
ordered and gentle lives, we are easy prey.
Post by saracene
I am reminded of Brexit and even more of Trump.
Two leading representative of the British left liberal elite Will
Hutton and Nick Cohen are very frustrated and upset about the way
things have been going.
Is Will Hutton so prominent now? I used to think he was odd and
likeable on those various history documentaries, and things like Tudor
Monastery Farm. I even got me mum a book about pagans that he'd written.
I don't know who Nick Cohen is.
Post by saracene
In the conclusion to his readable book attacking New Labour "Pretty
Straight Guys" in 2003, Cohen proposed a simple solution. What we
needed was more democracy. He said it had never really been tried.
More lately he has been having more complicated thoughts on the subject.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/brexit-is-the-new-low-point-of-british-democracy/
“Elections are too weak a control on power. As the Trump example
shows they can be exploited by charismatic thugs. Electoral reform
rewrites the problem rather than answering it. Meanwhile, Brexit
shows that the direct democracy of a referendum allows charlatans to
win with false promises; and then insist that the public cannot hold
them to account in a second referendum; and that Parliament cannot
intervene in the public interest because it would be defying the
people’s will to do so.”
If it works well democracy is a good system of governance.
Of course the power base of the left liberal elite is not democracy
but “values of the weak” which is to say bogus ideas of equality.
When the democratic will turns against them they fall back on
expostulations of morality, which have little rational basis but
appeal to the resentment of self defined victims. They might win. If
they do their victory is likely to nasty.
I don't know what the future of democracy is going to be. We thought
we had free speech pretty much sorted, but now that the left are doing
the censoring...
Free speech hasn't been 'sorted' for a long time. And please stop saying
it's the 'left' doing the censoring, that's just a cop-out. There is
nothing remotely 'left' about those attacking free speech and Western
values - they are an evil and vicious tyranny whose clear objective is
to destroy us.
I'm not going to spell out who 'they' are, that's what they'd love us to
do, but it should be perfectly clear to anyone with a functioning brain.
I'm not going to make any great claims about the functioning of my
brain :-) But I'm guessing you mean Jews; and I'm not going to
criticise, or claim any great knowledge on the subject either way. If
you'd care to expand a little, I'd be genuinely interested. I will
not come back and say I believe anything or not (there are some things
for which I need to see in order to believe); but simply file it away
and see if it offers an explanation for anything I see in the future.
If you prefer not to go there (you say that's what they'd love us to
do), I'll have to be content with your hints :-)
Your brain is functioning perfectly well, and you are clearly a
reasonable and fair-minded person - I'm sorry if you believe I was
implying otherwise.
No, I did not believe that. I just wanted to emphasise that I'm not
always the best at joining the dots, as it were.
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No, I'm not going to expand on what I said - but the truth is very easy
to find if you dig about a bit and observe who's doing and saying what.
Well, I think you need to have good reasons for digging in a certain
direction.
Post by Farmer Giles
There is clearly a very determined agenda to destroy Europe and European
peoples worldwide, and there has been for a very long time. The media,
the schools and our politicians have all been subverted to the cause.
The plan, quite simply, is to replace us.
I can certainly believe we are being replaced, because that's what I
feel is happening to me, and I fear for the future of our son. I
haven't personally connected this to 'the Jews', since I think we are
being replaced by people who hate them much more than we generally do.
It just seems counter-productive. Maybe there is a subset that doesn't
care what happens to the rest? I would not find that so unlikely.
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have
adopted them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
Alternative translation:- “The values of the weak prevail because
the strong have taken them over as devices of leadership”
Yes, I thought it would be something like that.  Very appropriate, ATM,
I think.  Something to do with enfeeblement and infantilisation.
The point made  by the interesting BBC series on Queen Jane that
Was it a drama, or a documentary?  BBC documentaries can still,
occasionally be informative, but the drama is generally some kind of
propaganda.  I don't have a TV licence, and don't want to break the
law, but if I've missed a good documentary, I'll go and watch it on
mum and dad's catch-up.
finished last night, was that the aristocratic elite could not rule
without the support of the people.  There were good rational reasons
for the Duke of Northumberland setting up Lady Jane Grey as the
monarch. This protected the recently established Protestant heritage.
The bulk of public opinion was against it however, and the more
popular Mary Tudor succeeded in ousting Jane, with Jane’s supporters
in the Privy council nearly all switching sides. Bad as we know Bloody
Mary turned out to be, there is something reassuringly democratic
about the resistance of the English people to the domination of  a
self appointed and ideological elite.
My very humble opinion is that the English have had everything pretty
much sorted for a very long time, and that we should not allow our
identities to be cast into some globalist blender.  Accustomed to our
ordered and gentle lives, we are easy prey.
I am reminded of Brexit and even more of Trump.
Two leading representative of the British  left liberal elite Will
Hutton and Nick Cohen are very frustrated and upset about the way
things have been going.
Is Will Hutton so prominent now?  I used to think he was odd and
likeable on those various history documentaries, and things like Tudor
Monastery Farm.  I even got me mum a book about pagans that he'd written.
I don't know who Nick Cohen is.
In the conclusion to his readable book attacking New Labour "Pretty
Straight Guys" in 2003, Cohen proposed a simple solution. What we
needed was more democracy. He said it had never really been tried.
More lately he has been having more complicated thoughts on the subject.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/brexit-is-the-new-low-point-of-british-democracy/
“Elections are too weak a control on power. As the Trump example
shows they can be exploited by charismatic thugs. Electoral reform
rewrites the problem rather than answering it. Meanwhile, Brexit
shows that the direct democracy of a referendum allows charlatans to
win with false promises; and then insist that the public cannot hold
them to account in a second referendum; and that Parliament cannot
intervene in the public interest because it would be defying the
people’s will to do so.”
If it works well democracy is a good system of governance.
Of course the power base of the left liberal elite is not democracy
but “values of the weak” which is to say bogus ideas of equality.
When the democratic will turns against them they fall back on
expostulations of morality, which have little rational basis but
appeal to the resentment of  self defined victims. They might win. If
they do their victory is likely to nasty.
I don't know what the future of democracy is going to be.  We thought
we had free speech pretty much sorted, but now that the left are doing
the censoring...
Free speech hasn't been 'sorted' for a long time. And please stop saying
it's the 'left' doing the censoring, that's just a cop-out. There is
nothing remotely 'left' about those attacking free speech and Western
values - they are an evil and vicious tyranny whose clear objective is
to destroy us.
I'm not going to spell out who 'they' are, that's what they'd love us to
do, but it should be perfectly clear to anyone with a functioning brain.
I'm not going to make any great claims about the functioning of my
brain :-)  But I'm guessing you mean Jews; and I'm not going to
criticise, or claim any great knowledge on the subject either way.  If
you'd care to expand a little, I'd be genuinely interested.  I will
not come back and say I believe anything or not (there are some things
for which I need to see in order to believe); but simply file it away
and see if it offers an explanation for anything I see in the future.
If you prefer not to go there (you say that's what they'd love us to
do), I'll have to be content with your hints :-)
Your brain is functioning perfectly well, and you are clearly a
reasonable and fair-minded person - I'm sorry if you believe I was
implying otherwise.
No, I did not believe that.  I just wanted to emphasise that I'm not
always the best at joining the dots, as it were.
Post by Farmer Giles
No, I'm not going to expand on what I said - but the truth is very easy
to find if you dig about a bit and observe who's doing and saying what.
Well, I think you need to have good reasons for digging in a certain
direction.
Post by Farmer Giles
There is clearly a very determined agenda to destroy Europe and European
peoples worldwide, and there has been for a very long time. The media,
the schools and our politicians have all been subverted to the cause.
The plan, quite simply, is to replace us.
I can certainly believe we are being replaced, because that's what I
feel is happening to me, and I fear for the future of our son.  I
haven't personally connected this to 'the Jews', since I think we are
being replaced by people who hate them much more than we generally do.
It just seems counter-productive.  Maybe there is a subset that doesn't
care what happens to the rest?  I would not find that so unlikely.
I haven't said who or what, I just ask you to be observant. The evidence
is overwhelming, if you have the courage to recognise it.
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have
adopted them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
Alternative translation:- “The values of the weak prevail because
the strong have taken them over as devices of leadership”
Yes, I thought it would be something like that. Very appropriate, ATM,
I think. Something to do with enfeeblement and infantilisation.
The point made by the interesting BBC series on Queen Jane that
Was it a drama, or a documentary? BBC documentaries can still,
occasionally be informative, but the drama is generally some kind of
propaganda. I don't have a TV licence, and don't want to break the
law, but if I've missed a good documentary, I'll go and watch it on
mum and dad's catch-up.
finished last night, was that the aristocratic elite could not rule
without the support of the people. There were good rational reasons
for the Duke of Northumberland setting up Lady Jane Grey as the
monarch. This protected the recently established Protestant heritage.
The bulk of public opinion was against it however, and the more
popular Mary Tudor succeeded in ousting Jane, with Jane’s supporters
in the Privy council nearly all switching sides. Bad as we know Bloody
Mary turned out to be, there is something reassuringly democratic
about the resistance of the English people to the domination of a
self appointed and ideological elite.
My very humble opinion is that the English have had everything pretty
much sorted for a very long time, and that we should not allow our
identities to be cast into some globalist blender. Accustomed to our
ordered and gentle lives, we are easy prey.
Post by saracene
I am reminded of Brexit and even more of Trump.
Two leading representative of the British left liberal elite Will
Hutton and Nick Cohen are very frustrated and upset about the way
things have been going.
Is Will Hutton so prominent now? I used to think he was odd and
likeable on those various history documentaries, and things like Tudor
Monastery Farm. I even got me mum a book about pagans that he'd written.
I don't know who Nick Cohen is.
Post by saracene
In the conclusion to his readable book attacking New Labour "Pretty
Straight Guys" in 2003, Cohen proposed a simple solution. What we
needed was more democracy. He said it had never really been tried.
More lately he has been having more complicated thoughts on the subject.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/brexit-is-the-new-low-point-of-british-democracy/
“Elections are too weak a control on power. As the Trump example
shows they can be exploited by charismatic thugs. Electoral reform
rewrites the problem rather than answering it. Meanwhile, Brexit
shows that the direct democracy of a referendum allows charlatans to
win with false promises; and then insist that the public cannot hold
them to account in a second referendum; and that Parliament cannot
intervene in the public interest because it would be defying the
people’s will to do so.”
If it works well democracy is a good system of governance.
Of course the power base of the left liberal elite is not democracy
but “values of the weak” which is to say bogus ideas of equality.
When the democratic will turns against them they fall back on
expostulations of morality, which have little rational basis but
appeal to the resentment of self defined victims. They might win. If
they do their victory is likely to nasty.
I don't know what the future of democracy is going to be. We thought
we had free speech pretty much sorted, but now that the left are doing
the censoring...
Free speech hasn't been 'sorted' for a long time. And please stop saying
it's the 'left' doing the censoring, that's just a cop-out. There is
nothing remotely 'left' about those attacking free speech and Western
values - they are an evil and vicious tyranny whose clear objective is
to destroy us.
I'm not going to spell out who 'they' are, that's what they'd love us to
do, but it should be perfectly clear to anyone with a functioning brain.
I'm not going to make any great claims about the functioning of my
brain :-) But I'm guessing you mean Jews; and I'm not going to
criticise, or claim any great knowledge on the subject either way. If
you'd care to expand a little, I'd be genuinely interested. I will
not come back and say I believe anything or not (there are some things
for which I need to see in order to believe); but simply file it away
and see if it offers an explanation for anything I see in the future.
If you prefer not to go there (you say that's what they'd love us to
do), I'll have to be content with your hints :-)
Your brain is functioning perfectly well, and you are clearly a
reasonable and fair-minded person - I'm sorry if you believe I was
implying otherwise.
No, I did not believe that. I just wanted to emphasise that I'm not
always the best at joining the dots, as it were.
Post by Farmer Giles
No, I'm not going to expand on what I said - but the truth is very easy
to find if you dig about a bit and observe who's doing and saying what.
Well, I think you need to have good reasons for digging in a certain
direction.
Post by Farmer Giles
There is clearly a very determined agenda to destroy Europe and European
peoples worldwide, and there has been for a very long time. The media,
the schools and our politicians have all been subverted to the cause.
The plan, quite simply, is to replace us.
I can certainly believe we are being replaced, because that's what I
feel is happening to me, and I fear for the future of our son. I
haven't personally connected this to 'the Jews', since I think we are
being replaced by people who hate them much more than we generally do.
It just seems counter-productive. Maybe there is a subset that doesn't
care what happens to the rest? I would not find that so unlikely.
You could listen to a notorious speech by Barbara Spectre, which proves that at lest one Jew has this agenda. Then you can look at the record of the immensely powerful George Soros and wonder whether his being Jewish has anything to do with his desire to promote amssive third world immigration in Europe or whether he just incidentlaly "happens to be Jewish" as most commentators want us to think.
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You could listen to a notorious speech by Barbara Spectre, which proves that at lest one Jew has this agenda.
I know Christians who "have their agenda". Are we to hunt them down and stop this treacherous practice of "having an agenda"?

Posts here frequently DEMAND that the current UK government "have an agenda".

What precisely is the correct stand on the concept of "an agenda"?

You remind me of Hobbes, who identified the problem with calls for and faith in Reason. "They that call for right reason to decide any controversy, do mean their own [reason]."

Bishop Warburton: "Orthodoxy is MY doxy; unorthodoxy is the other man's doxy."

A passionate advocate like yourself certainly has an agenda, so you must not decry others for being like yourself; decry only their proven sin.
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You could listen to a notorious speech by Barbara Spectre, which proves that at lest one Jew has this agenda.
I know Christians who "have their agenda". Are we to hunt them down and stop this treacherous practice of "having an agenda"?
You misunderstand me completely. Anyway I'm answering Dan's request. The Farmer was reluctant to be explicit about the evidence for his claims..
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Posts here frequently DEMAND that the current UK government "have an agenda".
What precisely is the correct stand on the concept of "an agenda"?
You remind me of Hobbes, who identified the problem with calls for and faith in Reason. "They that call for right reason to decide any controversy, do mean their own [reason]."
I like Hobbes.
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Bishop Warburton: "Orthodoxy is MY doxy; unorthodoxy is the other man's doxy."
I don't like him so much.
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A passionate advocate like yourself certainly has an agenda, so you must not decry others for being like yourself; decry only their proven sin.
Let's just clarify all our motives and agendas then we can have what is called a level playing field. I am not blaming Spectre or Soros for having their agendas. Shine a bright light upon them though and they might not succeed. And don't prohibit criticism of, for example, Jews, and let us become impervious to moral blackmail.

BTW if you haven't heard Barbara Lerner Spectre, you must.



That's called letting the cat out of the bag.
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You could listen to a notorious speech by Barbara Spectre, which proves that at lest one Jew has this agenda.
I know Christians who "have their agenda". Are we to hunt them down and stop this treacherous practice of "having an agenda"?
You misunderstand me completely. Anyway I'm answering Dan's request. The Farmer was reluctant to be explicit about the evidence for his claims..
To clarify. I cticised nobody for just "having an agenda".

this was Dan's post:-
Post by saracene
I can certainly believe we are being replaced, because that's what I
feel is happening to me, and I fear for the future of our son. I
haven't personally connected this to 'the Jews', since I think we are
being replaced by people who hate them much more than we generally do.
It just seems counter-productive. Maybe there is a subset that doesn't
care what happens to the rest? I would not find that so unlikely.
I said:-

"You could listen to a notorious speech by Barbara Spectre, which proves that at lest one Jew has this agenda."

I was talking about the specific agenda of wanting to replace the white race in Europe. You may think that is ok- maybe you agree with it. Do you? I was explaining for Dan something he said he doubted and did not understand. But please listen to Spectre and say what you think.
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I was talking about the specific agenda of wanting to replace the white race in Europe.
Good. Now you are being specific.
You refer particularly to an agenda "to replace the white race in Europe."

Please point me to those words articulated in print or aloud, anywhere, by a person you believe to be Jewish.

Go ahead: those words "replace the white race in Europe".

Perhaps you have been reading Louis-Ferdinand Celine --- but his ravings were self generated and never cited an outside source, Jewish or otherwise.
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I was talking about the specific agenda of wanting to replace the white race in Europe.
Good. Now you are being specific.
I was all along. You should apologise for your sloppy reading.
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You refer particularly to an agenda "to replace the white race in Europe."
Please point me to those words articulated in print or aloud, anywhere, by a person you believe to be Jewish.
Go ahead: those words "replace the white race in Europe".
Haven't I told you more than once to listen to Barbara Lerner Spectre? Play the video. Please read properly. Look at Dan's post which refers to what Farmer Giles was saying. He says we are being replaced. That is the subject. I did not set it.
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Perhaps you have been reading Louis-Ferdinand Celine --- but his ravings were self generated and never cited an outside source, Jewish or otherwise.
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I was talking about the specific agenda of wanting to replace the white race in Europe.
Good. Now you are being specific.
I was all along. You should apologise for your sloppy reading.
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You refer particularly to an agenda "to replace the white race in Europe."
Please point me to those words articulated in print or aloud, anywhere, by a person you believe to be Jewish.
Go ahead: those words "replace the white race in Europe".
Haven't I told you more than once to listen to Barbara Lerner Spectre? Play the video. Please read properly. Look at Dan's post which refers to what Farmer Giles was saying. He says we are being replaced. That is the subject. I did not set it.
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Perhaps you have been reading Louis-Ferdinand Celine --- but his ravings were self generated and never cited an outside source, Jewish or otherwise.
Check this too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Ignatiev

In September 2002, Harvard Magazine published an excerpt from When Race Becomes Real: Black and White Writers Confront Their Personal Histories, edited by Bernestine Singley, about Ignatiev's role in launching Race Traitor.[2] In the excerpt, Ignatiev wrote that "[t]he goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists."[2
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I was talking about the specific agenda of wanting to replace the white race in Europe.
Good. Now you are being specific.
I was all along. You should apologise for your sloppy reading.
Post by gramps
You refer particularly to an agenda "to replace the white race in Europe."
Please point me to those words articulated in print or aloud, anywhere, by a person you believe to be Jewish.
Go ahead: those words "replace the white race in Europe".
Haven't I told you more than once to listen to Barbara Lerner Spectre? Play the video. Please read properly. Look at Dan's post which refers to what Farmer Giles was saying. He says we are being replaced. That is the subject. I did not set it.
Post by gramps
Perhaps you have been reading Louis-Ferdinand Celine --- but his ravings were self generated and never cited an outside source, Jewish or otherwise.
Check this too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Ignatiev
In September 2002, Harvard Magazine published an excerpt from When Race Becomes Real: Black and White Writers Confront Their Personal Histories, edited by Bernestine Singley, about Ignatiev's role in launching Race Traitor.[2] In the excerpt, Ignatiev wrote that "[t]he goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists."[2

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You could listen to a notorious speech by Barbara Spectre, which proves that at lest one Jew has this agenda.
I know Christians who "have their agenda". Are we to hunt them down and stop this treacherous practice of "having an agenda"?
Posts here frequently DEMAND that the current UK government "have an agenda".
What precisely is the correct stand on the concept of "an agenda"?
You remind me of Hobbes, who identified the problem with calls for and faith in Reason. "They that call for right reason to decide any controversy, do mean their own [reason]."
Bishop Warburton: "Orthodoxy is MY doxy; unorthodoxy is the other man's doxy."
A passionate advocate like yourself certainly has an agenda, so you must not decry others for being like yourself; decry only their proven sin.
on the rise of the press...1860s

boys who have just left school are astonished to find themselves
sitting on a throne and giving out oracles...as they have to utter
oracles every day...they have no time to think...
322

this was a reaction of the elite to power slipping from their grasp
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on the rise of the press...1860s
boys who have just left school are astonished to find themselves
sitting on a throne and giving out oracles...as they have to utter
oracles every day...they have no time to think...
322
this was a reaction of the elite to power slipping from their grasp
The reaction of the CONSERVATIVE elite, not that of liberals and progressives.

Similarly, conservative churchmen were frantic when the Bible appeared in English. Tyndale had this saying attributed to him:
"If God spare my life, ere many years I will cause a boy that driveth the plough to know more of the Scripture, than thou dust."
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on the rise of the press...1860s
boys who have just left school are astonished to find themselves
sitting on a throne and giving out oracles...as they have to utter
oracles every day...they have no time to think...
322
this was a reaction of the elite to power slipping from their grasp
The reaction of the CONSERVATIVE elite, not that of liberals and progressives.
Catholics to be precise. In nineetnth century Britain a funny sort of eltie. From some typical Abelardian reading matter a history of nineteenth century Popes.

I like your tendentious use of the term "progressive". You remind me of Hobbes. "They that call for right reason to decide any controversy, do mean their own [reason]."
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"If God spare my life, ere many years I will cause a boy that driveth the plough to know more of the Scripture, than thou dust."
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on the rise of the press...1860s
boys who have just left school are astonished to find themselves
sitting on a throne and giving out oracles...as they have to utter
oracles every day...they have no time to think...
322
this was a reaction of the elite to power slipping from their grasp
The reaction of the CONSERVATIVE elite, not that of liberals and progressives.
Catholics to be precise. In nineetnth century Britain a funny sort of eltie. From some typical Abelardian reading matter a history of nineteenth century Popes.
it is fascinating politically and socially...it ranges all over europe
...and the transition from church charity to government control...and
much more...
the gathering of your 'benefits' states...

it's the third volume of the series i have read...

you should try reading more...
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I like your tendentious use of the term "progressive". You remind me of Hobbes. "They that call for right reason to decide any controversy, do mean their own [reason]."
Post by gramps
"If God spare my life, ere many years I will cause a boy that driveth the plough to know more of the Scripture, than thou dust."
--
www.abelard.org
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on the rise of the press...1860s
boys who have just left school are astonished to find themselves
sitting on a throne and giving out oracles...as they have to utter
oracles every day...they have no time to think...
322
this was a reaction of the elite to power slipping from their grasp
The reaction of the CONSERVATIVE elite, not that of liberals and progressives.
Catholics to be precise. In nineetnth century Britain a funny sort of eltie. From some typical Abelardian reading matter a history of nineteenth century Popes.
it is fascinating politically and socially...it ranges all over europe
...and the transition from church charity to government control...and
much more...
the gathering of your 'benefits' states...
it's the third volume of the series i have read...
oh, i've just looked at the shelf...it's the fourth :-)
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you should try reading more...
Post by saracene
I like your tendentious use of the term "progressive". You remind me of Hobbes. "They that call for right reason to decide any controversy, do mean their own [reason]."
Post by gramps
"If God spare my life, ere many years I will cause a boy that driveth the plough to know more of the Scripture, than thou dust."
--
www.abelard.org
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There is clearly a very determined agenda to destroy Europe and European
peoples ...
...in Europe!
Yep. Just look at all those septic US ultra right posts everywhere in the
social media.
Or look at the Brexiters' ongoing rhetoric and that vile-bitter hate in
the UK directed against the rest of Europe!

They are united ...

1 ... in hating Europe for its social polities and it support for
humanitarian causes.

2 ... in hating Europe for its slow moving diplomatic and non-
confrontational approach towards world politics.

3 ... in hating Europe for its resilience/resistance against all the
efforts of the ultra-right trying to undermine their governments and
their replacement with fascistoid US/UK puppets .
Post by Farmer Giles
... and there has been for a very long time. The media,
the schools and our politicians have all been subverted to the cause.
The plan, quite simply, is to ...
...trash Europe just to allow an ultra right takeover of the whole World!

Well spotted!
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There is clearly a very determined agenda to destroy Europe and European
peoples ...
...in Europe!
Yep. Just look at all those septic US ultra right posts everywhere in the
social media.
Or look at the Brexiters' ongoing rhetoric and that vile-bitter hate in
the UK directed against the rest of Europe!
They are united ...
1 ... in hating Europe for its social polities and it support for
humanitarian causes.
2 ... in hating Europe for its slow moving diplomatic and non-
confrontational approach towards world politics.
3 ... in hating Europe for its resilience/resistance against all the
efforts of the ultra-right trying to undermine their governments and
their replacement with fascistoid US/UK puppets .
Post by Farmer Giles
... and there has been for a very long time. The media,
the schools and our politicians have all been subverted to the cause.
The plan, quite simply, is to ...
...trash Europe just to allow an ultra right takeover of the whole World!
Well spotted!
I am honoured by your attention, thank you for the endorsement.
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have
adopted them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
Alternative translation:- “The values of the weak prevail because
the strong have taken them over as devices of leadership”
Yes, I thought it would be something like that.  Very appropriate, ATM,
I think.  Something to do with enfeeblement and infantilisation.
The point made  by the interesting BBC series on Queen Jane that
Was it a drama, or a documentary?  BBC documentaries can still,
occasionally be informative, but the drama is generally some kind of
propaganda.  I don't have a TV licence, and don't want to break the
law, but if I've missed a good documentary, I'll go and watch it on
mum and dad's catch-up.
finished last night, was that the aristocratic elite could not rule
without the support of the people.  There were good rational reasons
for the Duke of Northumberland setting up Lady Jane Grey as the
monarch. This protected the recently established Protestant heritage.
The bulk of public opinion was against it however, and the more
popular Mary Tudor succeeded in ousting Jane, with Jane’s supporters
in the Privy council nearly all switching sides. Bad as we know Bloody
Mary turned out to be, there is something reassuringly democratic
about the resistance of the English people to the domination of  a
self appointed and ideological elite.
My very humble opinion is that the English have had everything pretty
much sorted for a very long time, and that we should not allow our
identities to be cast into some globalist blender.  Accustomed to our
ordered and gentle lives, we are easy prey.
I am reminded of Brexit and even more of Trump.
Two leading representative of the British  left liberal elite Will
Hutton and Nick Cohen are very frustrated and upset about the way
things have been going.
Is Will Hutton so prominent now?  I used to think he was odd and
likeable on those various history documentaries, and things like Tudor
Monastery Farm.  I even got me mum a book about pagans that he'd written.
I don't know who Nick Cohen is.
In the conclusion to his readable book attacking New Labour "Pretty
Straight Guys" in 2003, Cohen proposed a simple solution. What we
needed was more democracy. He said it had never really been tried.
More lately he has been having more complicated thoughts on the subject.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/brexit-is-the-new-low-point-of-british-democracy/
“Elections are too weak a control on power. As the Trump example
shows they can be exploited by charismatic thugs. Electoral reform
rewrites the problem rather than answering it. Meanwhile, Brexit
shows that the direct democracy of a referendum allows charlatans to
win with false promises; and then insist that the public cannot hold
them to account in a second referendum; and that Parliament cannot
intervene in the public interest because it would be defying the
people’s will to do so.”
If it works well democracy is a good system of governance.
Of course the power base of the left liberal elite is not democracy
but “values of the weak” which is to say bogus ideas of equality.
When the democratic will turns against them they fall back on
expostulations of morality, which have little rational basis but
appeal to the resentment of  self defined victims. They might win. If
they do their victory is likely to nasty.
I don't know what the future of democracy is going to be.  We thought
we had free speech pretty much sorted, but now that the left are doing
the censoring...
Free speech hasn't been 'sorted' for a long time. And please stop saying
it's the 'left' doing the censoring, that's just a cop-out. There is
nothing remotely 'left' about those attacking free speech and Western
values - they are an evil and vicious tyranny whose clear objective is
to destroy us.
I'm not going to spell out who 'they' are, that's what they'd love us to
do, but it should be perfectly clear to anyone with a functioning brain.
I'm not going to make any great claims about the functioning of my
brain :-)  But I'm guessing you mean Jews; and I'm not going to
criticise, or claim any great knowledge on the subject either way.  If
you'd care to expand a little, I'd be genuinely interested.  I will
not come back and say I believe anything or not (there are some things
for which I need to see in order to believe); but simply file it away
and see if it offers an explanation for anything I see in the future.
If you prefer not to go there (you say that's what they'd love us to
do), I'll have to be content with your hints :-)
Your brain is functioning perfectly well, and you are clearly a
reasonable and fair-minded person - I'm sorry if you believe I was
implying otherwise.
No, I'm not going to expand on what I said - but the truth is very easy
to find if you dig about a bit and observe who's doing and saying what.
There is clearly a very determined agenda to destroy Europe and European
peoples worldwide, and there has been for a very long time. The media,
the schools and our politicians have all been subverted to the cause.
The plan, quite simply, is to replace us.
In terms of digging, Google the Kalergi Plan together with the Frankfurt
School and Cultural Marxism. They are good pointers in the right direction.
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have
adopted them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
Alternative translation:- “The values of the weak prevail because
the strong have taken them over as devices of leadership”
Yes, I thought it would be something like that.  Very
appropriate, ATM,
I think.  Something to do with enfeeblement and infantilisation.
The point made  by the interesting BBC series on Queen Jane that
Was it a drama, or a documentary?  BBC documentaries can still,
occasionally be informative, but the drama is generally some kind of
propaganda.  I don't have a TV licence, and don't want to break the
law, but if I've missed a good documentary, I'll go and watch it on
mum and dad's catch-up.
finished last night, was that the aristocratic elite could not rule
without the support of the people.  There were good rational reasons
for the Duke of Northumberland setting up Lady Jane Grey as the
monarch. This protected the recently established Protestant heritage.
The bulk of public opinion was against it however, and the more
popular Mary Tudor succeeded in ousting Jane, with Jane’s supporters
in the Privy council nearly all switching sides. Bad as we know Bloody
Mary turned out to be, there is something reassuringly democratic
about the resistance of the English people to the domination of  a
self appointed and ideological elite.
My very humble opinion is that the English have had everything pretty
much sorted for a very long time, and that we should not allow our
identities to be cast into some globalist blender.  Accustomed to our
ordered and gentle lives, we are easy prey.
I am reminded of Brexit and even more of Trump.
Two leading representative of the British  left liberal elite Will
Hutton and Nick Cohen are very frustrated and upset about the way
things have been going.
Is Will Hutton so prominent now?  I used to think he was odd and
likeable on those various history documentaries, and things like Tudor
Monastery Farm.  I even got me mum a book about pagans that he'd written.
I don't know who Nick Cohen is.
In the conclusion to his readable book attacking New Labour "Pretty
Straight Guys" in 2003, Cohen proposed a simple solution. What we
needed was more democracy. He said it had never really been tried.
More lately he has been having more complicated thoughts on the subject.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/11/brexit-is-the-new-low-point-of-british-democracy/
“Elections are too weak a control on power. As the Trump example
shows they can be exploited by charismatic thugs. Electoral reform
rewrites the problem rather than answering it. Meanwhile, Brexit
shows that the direct democracy of a referendum allows charlatans to
win with false promises; and then insist that the public cannot hold
them to account in a second referendum; and that Parliament cannot
intervene in the public interest because it would be defying the
people’s will to do so.”
If it works well democracy is a good system of governance.
Of course the power base of the left liberal elite is not democracy
but “values of the weak” which is to say bogus ideas of equality.
When the democratic will turns against them they fall back on
expostulations of morality, which have little rational basis but
appeal to the resentment of  self defined victims. They might win. If
they do their victory is likely to nasty.
I don't know what the future of democracy is going to be.  We thought
we had free speech pretty much sorted, but now that the left are doing
the censoring...
Free speech hasn't been 'sorted' for a long time. And please stop saying
it's the 'left' doing the censoring, that's just a cop-out. There is
nothing remotely 'left' about those attacking free speech and Western
values - they are an evil and vicious tyranny whose clear objective is
to destroy us.
I'm not going to spell out who 'they' are, that's what they'd love us to
do, but it should be perfectly clear to anyone with a functioning brain.
I'm not going to make any great claims about the functioning of my
brain :-)  But I'm guessing you mean Jews; and I'm not going to
criticise, or claim any great knowledge on the subject either way.
If you'd care to expand a little, I'd be genuinely interested.  I
will not come back and say I believe anything or not (there are some
things for which I need to see in order to believe); but simply file
it away and see if it offers an explanation for anything I see in the
future. If you prefer not to go there (you say that's what they'd
love us to do), I'll have to be content with your hints :-)
Your brain is functioning perfectly well, and you are clearly a
reasonable and fair-minded person - I'm sorry if you believe I was
implying otherwise.
No, I'm not going to expand on what I said - but the truth is very
easy to find if you dig about a bit and observe who's doing and saying
what.
There is clearly a very determined agenda to destroy Europe and
European peoples worldwide, and there has been for a very long time.
The media, the schools and our politicians have all been subverted to
the cause. The plan, quite simply, is to replace us.
In terms of digging, Google the Kalergi Plan together with the Frankfurt
School and Cultural Marxism.  They are good pointers in the right
direction.
I couldn't possibly comment! ;-)
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I am reminded of Brexit and even more of Trump.
Two leading representative of the British left liberal elite Will Hutton and Nick Cohen are very frustrated and upset about the way things have been going.
Is Will Hutton so prominent now? I used to think he was odd and
likeable on those various history documentaries, and things like Tudor
Monastery Farm. I even got me mum a book about pagans that he'd written.
I think you mean Ronald Hutton. Will Hutton writes for the Observer like Nick Cohen.
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
I don't know who Nick Cohen is.
I don't know what the future of democracy is going to be. We thought we
had free speech pretty much sorted, but now that the left are doing the
censoring...
Free speech has gone out of fashion. It might make women and homos and trannies and all sorts of ethnics feel bad about themselves.
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I am reminded of Brexit and even more of Trump.
Two leading representative of the British left liberal elite Will Hutton and Nick Cohen are very frustrated and upset about the way things have been going.
Is Will Hutton so prominent now? I used to think he was odd and
likeable on those various history documentaries, and things like Tudor
Monastery Farm. I even got me mum a book about pagans that he'd written.
I think you mean Ronald Hutton. Will Hutton writes for the Observer like Nick Cohen.
God, I am so hopeless with first names. I once referred to David
Starkey as Richard Starkey, to much amusement. I can't even remember
the names of people I've worked with for decades.
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I don't know who Nick Cohen is.
I don't know what the future of democracy is going to be. We thought we
had free speech pretty much sorted, but now that the left are doing the
censoring...
Free speech has gone out of fashion. It might make women and homos and trannies and all sorts of ethnics feel bad about themselves.
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have adopted
them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
Clearly a Driver Only Operated van... missing a guard.
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have adopted
them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
Clearly a Driver Only Operated van... missing a guard.
But then, who closes the rear doors to the van, if the driver must be in the
cab at all times?

It all sounds rather like a false economy.
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have
adopted them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
Clearly a Driver Only Operated van... missing a guard.
Very good :-) I wonder if there's a lady in the van, too? Up front.
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have adopted
them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?

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Eh lad, we learn summat new every day!
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have adopted
them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
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Eh lad, we learn summat new every day!
I guess he was the original white van man. TBH, Nietzsche seemed to me
to be the only one of the lot of them with something practical to say.
The rest just baffle me.
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The values of the weak are in the van, because the strong have adopted
them in order to lead with them. ( Nietzsche)
He owned a van?
==
Eh lad, we learn summat new every day!
I guess he was the original white van man. TBH, Nietzsche seemed to me
to be the only one of the lot of them with something practical to say.
The rest just baffle me.

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