AUSCHWITZ - The "Death Factory" with an orchestra, theatre, hospital, cinema, complaints office..

[JT]

Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies. It was a work camp.

Supposedly the most dreaded of German camps, Auschwitz was repeatedly
visited by Red Cross inspection teams who were allowed to speak to
prisoner representatives alone,in order to hear first-hand of any
mistreatment, chicanery, interruption of mail and parcel delivery,
health concerns, food and ration matters etc. The International Red
Cross visited .In a 1650 page report there was never a mention of gas
chambers.

This is a factual list of facilities available to prisoners at the
alleged Nazi death camp of Auschwitz in Poland. Most of these
facilities can still be seen in the camp today, including the cinema,
swimming pool, hospital, library and post office

Ask yourself, If the Germans walked people off trains and into gas
chambers, why would they provide any of this?

- Camp dental facilities,,attended by camp inmate dentists and nurses
to deal with the inmates' dental problems.
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- Camp sick barracks ,attended by camp inmate doctors and nurses to
deal with the inmates' health problems - much like the now common walk-
in clinics in modern US communities - A camp hospital to which expert
surgeons even from the famous Berlin "Charité" Surgical Clinic were
dispatched to deal with difficult cases. Loading Image...

- Camp kitchen -one of the largest service buildings in Auschwitz,
with state-of-the-art cooking facilities. There were twelve of these
throughout the camp. Loading Image...

- Up to 16 camp orchestras with every conceivable instrument
available. Loading Image...

- A camp theater where live plays could be performed by camp inmate
actors. Loading Image... Loading Image...

- Camp sculture class conducted for interested, talented inmates by
professional sculptors.

- Camp art classes for inmates

- Camp university with lectures on every topic under the sun, from
health, the arts, philosophy, science, economic issues etc.

- A camp cinema - where every week different, mainly cultural and non-
political films were shown. Loading Image...

You must watch this 2 min video
http://judicial-inc.biz/Auschwitz_theater2.WMV

- The camp brothel, just inside the main gate was a building used
during the war as a brothel for the inmates. It was not a secret that
the camp had a brothel; it was mentioned in books and its existence
was confirmed by the Auschwitz Museum officials. Loading Image...

- A camp library where inmates could borrow books from Forty -five
thousand volumes available. Loading Image...

- Camp religious facilities made available on a rotating basis to
every denomination for religious services. Loading Image...

- A camp swimming pool for use by the inmates on Birkenallee, where
there were walkways with comfortable benches for inmates to relax in
the shade of the trees. Loading Image...

- Camp sport facilities like soccer fields, handball areas, fencing
classes and other exercise facilities. Loading Image...

- Auschwitz had an artist studio. The camp commendant provided a
studio and the equipment which produced thousands of paintings and
sketches. The Auschwitz museum has 1470 painting, but none are
displayed. Loading Image...

- Camp incentive system where through extra work inmates could obtain
coupons redeemable for cake or ice cream in the Camp Cantina, which
also had extra toiletries etc. Loading Image...

- Camp complaints office where inmates could register complaints or
make suggestions. Camp Commander Hoess had a standing order that any
inmate could approach him personally to register a complaint about
other inmates such as "Kapos" and even guards. A system of strict
discipline for guards and also for inmates, with severe punishment
being handed out against those found guilty (for even slapping an
inmate). Loading Image...

- Auschwitz marriages took place because worker inmates fell in love
and married their inmate partners. Loading Image...

- Auschwitz maternity ward - Over 3,000 live births were registered
there, with not a single infant death while Auschwitz was in operation
under German rule. Loading Image...

- Auschwitz jail - Since the camp was a large, open facility,
transgressors could be arrested, tried and jailed right in Auschwitz
Jail. Loading Image...

- Auschwitz issued it's own money. Prisoners were paid and could spend
the money in canteens, brothels and stores. Loading Image...

- Camp post office with twice weekly pick-ups and deliveries.
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Auschwitz was a major work camp that had forty different industries.
The true reason for the existence of the Auschwitz camp is revealed in
these little shown pictures of the industrial complex which surrounded
the camp - most of it within full view of the interior of the camp
itself.

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Above The Monowitz industrial complex, where most of Auschwitz's
inmates were put to work in a variety of heavy industries, ranging
from rubber manufacture, medical supplies, armaments and, as
illustrated in the picture right, clothing. This photograph shows the
tailor's workshop at Auschwitz 1, where prisoners would make up
clothing for use by the German army.


http://judicial-inc.biz/Auschwitz.htm

Was the Holocaust Real or Propaganda, watch Judea Declares War on
Germany and make up your OWN mind:

[I'll Always Be Here]

Post by JT
- A camp swimming pool for use by the inmates on Birkenallee, where
there were walkways with comfortable benches for inmates to relax in
the shade of the trees. http://judicial-inc.biz/Auschw6.jpg

Which never shows up in the aerial reconniasance photos taken by the US Air
Force. Strange, innit?

[William Black]

"JT" <***@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:e651aec3-acec-42e1-87bf-***@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies. It was a work camp.

Supposedly the most dreaded of German camps, Auschwitz was repeatedly
visited by Red Cross inspection teams

-----------------------------------

The Red Cross deny this and state, quite logically, that it is not the
function of the Red Cross to inspect civilian prisons.

They have powers and responsibilities only with regard to prisoners of war.

[Kurt Knoll]

Do you mean the red gross never visited the camp ?.
Kurt Knoll.

Post by JT
Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies. It was a work camp.
Supposedly the most dreaded of German camps, Auschwitz was repeatedly
visited by Red Cross inspection teams
-----------------------------------
The Red Cross deny this and state, quite logically, that it is not the
function of the Red Cross to inspect civilian prisons.
They have powers and responsibilities only with regard to prisoners of war.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

[Patrick Keenan]

Post by Kurt Knoll
Do you mean the red gross never visited the camp ?.
Kurt Knoll.

They tried and tried, and were generally refused entry. On a very few
occasions, such as when the Nazis found it politcally expedient to make the
Danish think that the camps were not what they were, a portion of Auschwitz
was cleaned up and a very few representatives were allowed in for a closely
guided tour.

The ICRC had virtually no influence on the fate of "non-Aryan" victims of
the camp systems.

-pk

Post by Kurt Knoll

Post by JT
Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies. It was a work camp.
Supposedly the most dreaded of German camps, Auschwitz was repeatedly
visited by Red Cross inspection teams
-----------------------------------
The Red Cross deny this and state, quite logically, that it is not the
function of the Red Cross to inspect civilian prisons.
They have powers and responsibilities only with regard to prisoners of war.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

[Kurt Knoll]

Well Patrick where is your proof. The red gross records in Bad Arolsen where
supposedly released into the public domain. Have you seen them jet ???.
Kurt Knoll.

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by Kurt Knoll
Do you mean the red gross never visited the camp ?.
Kurt Knoll.

They tried and tried, and were generally refused entry. On a very few
occasions, such as when the Nazis found it politcally expedient to make
the Danish think that the camps were not what they were, a portion of
Auschwitz was cleaned up and a very few representatives were allowed in
for a closely guided tour.
The ICRC had virtually no influence on the fate of "non-Aryan" victims of
the camp systems.
-pk

Post by Kurt Knoll

Post by JT
Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies. It was a work camp.
Supposedly the most dreaded of German camps, Auschwitz was repeatedly
visited by Red Cross inspection teams
-----------------------------------
The Red Cross deny this and state, quite logically, that it is not the
function of the Red Cross to inspect civilian prisons.
They have powers and responsibilities only with regard to prisoners of war.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

[I'll Always Be Here]

Post by Kurt Knoll
Well Patrick where is your proof. The red gross records in Bad Arolsen
where supposedly released into the public domain. Have you seen them jet
???. Kurt Knoll.

If they are in the public domain, even someone as lazy and stupid as you
could see them. What are you hiding?

You of course could, LOL, send an email to the Red Cross, as has been
suggested previously and get first hand information...it's called
research.

Post by Kurt Knoll

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by Kurt Knoll
Do you mean the red gross never visited the camp ?.
Kurt Knoll.

They tried and tried, and were generally refused entry. On a very
few occasions, such as when the Nazis found it politcally expedient to
make the Danish think that the camps were not what they were, a
portion of Auschwitz was cleaned up and a very few representatives were
allowed in for a closely guided tour.
The ICRC had virtually no influence on the fate of "non-Aryan" victims
of the camp systems.
-pk

34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com.

Post by Kurt Knoll

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by Kurt Knoll

.. Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies. It was a work camp.
Supposedly the most dreaded of German camps, Auschwitz was repeatedly
visited by Red Cross inspection teams
-----------------------------------
The Red Cross deny this and state, quite logically, that it is not
the function of the Red Cross to inspect civilian prisons.
They have powers and responsibilities only with regard to prisoners of war.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough
gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the
beach Time for tea.

[I'll Always Be Here]

Post by Kurt Knoll
Well Patrick where is your proof. The red gross records in Bad Arolsen
where supposedly released into the public domain. Have you seen them jet
???. Kurt Knoll.

Yes. Why haven't you?

Post by Kurt Knoll

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by Kurt Knoll
Do you mean the red gross never visited the camp ?.
Kurt Knoll.

They tried and tried, and were generally refused entry. On a very
few occasions, such as when the Nazis found it politcally expedient to
make the Danish think that the camps were not what they were, a
portion of Auschwitz was cleaned up and a very few representatives were
allowed in for a closely guided tour.
The ICRC had virtually no influence on the fate of "non-Aryan" victims
of the camp systems.
-pk

34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com.

Post by Kurt Knoll

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by Kurt Knoll

.. Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies. It was a work camp.
Supposedly the most dreaded of German camps, Auschwitz was repeatedly
visited by Red Cross inspection teams
-----------------------------------
The Red Cross deny this and state, quite logically, that it is not
the function of the Red Cross to inspect civilian prisons.
They have powers and responsibilities only with regard to prisoners of war.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough
gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the
beach Time for tea.

[B.H. Cramer]

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by Kurt Knoll
Do you mean the red gross never visited the camp ?.
Kurt Knoll.

They tried and tried, and were generally refused entry. On a very few
occasions, such as when the Nazis found it politcally expedient to make
the Danish think that the camps were not what they were, a portion of
Auschwitz was cleaned up and a very few representatives were allowed in
for a closely guided tour.
The ICRC had virtually no influence on the fate of "non-Aryan" victims of
the camp systems.

Enough to have produced these documents, lying keenan turd.

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Post by Patrick Keenan
-pk

Post by Kurt Knoll

Post by JT
Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies. It was a work camp.
Supposedly the most dreaded of German camps, Auschwitz was repeatedly
visited by Red Cross inspection teams
-----------------------------------
The Red Cross deny this and state, quite logically, that it is not the
function of the Red Cross to inspect civilian prisons.
They have powers and responsibilities only with regard to prisoners of war.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

[Custos Custodum]

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:33:11 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"

Post by B.H. Cramer

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by Kurt Knoll
Do you mean the red gross never visited the camp ?.
Kurt Knoll.

They tried and tried, and were generally refused entry. On a very few
occasions, such as when the Nazis found it politcally expedient to make
the Danish think that the camps were not what they were, a portion of
Auschwitz was cleaned up and a very few representatives were allowed in
for a closely guided tour.
The ICRC had virtually no influence on the fate of "non-Aryan" victims of
the camp systems.

Enough to have produced these documents, lying keenan turd.
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh28/BenCramer1/RedCrossDeathNumbers01.jpg

What do you think these numbers actually signify?
What evidence do you have that the ICRC were involved in any way in
their collection?
What do you think "Die Beurkundungszahlen des Sonderstandesamtes laßen
keine Rückschlüsse auf die tatsächliche Zahl der Toten in den
Konzentrazionslagern zu." means? (It's the underlined sentence above
the stamp.)

You sound like another clueless fuckwit revisionist who can't read
German.

[I'll Always Be Here]

Post by Custos Custodum
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:33:11 +1000, "B.H. Cramer"

Post by B.H. Cramer

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by Kurt Knoll
Do you mean the red gross never visited the camp ?.
Kurt Knoll.

They tried and tried, and were generally refused entry. On a very
few occasions, such as when the Nazis found it politcally expedient to
make the Danish think that the camps were not what they were, a
portion of Auschwitz was cleaned up and a very few representatives
were allowed in for a closely guided tour.
The ICRC had virtually no influence on the fate of "non-Aryan" victims
of the camp systems.

Enough to have produced these documents, lying keenan turd.

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh28/BenCramer1/RedCrossDeathNumbers01

Post by Custos Custodum

Post by B.H. Cramer
.jpg

What do you think these numbers actually signify?
What evidence do you have that the ICRC were involved in any way in
their collection?
What do you think "Die Beurkundungszahlen des Sonderstandesamtes laßen
keine Rückschlüsse auf die tatsächliche Zahl der Toten in den
Konzentrazionslagern zu." means? (It's the underlined sentence above
the stamp.)
You sound like another clueless fuckwit revisionist who can't read
German.

He can neither read, write nor speak german but is the most accurate
translator of german on usenet. Just ask him for proof.

[ZULU]

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by Kurt Knoll
Do you mean the red gross never visited the camp ?.
Kurt Knoll.

They tried and tried, and were generally refused entry. On a very
few occasions, such as when the Nazis found it politcally expedient to
make the Danish think that the camps were not what they were, a portion
of Auschwitz was cleaned up and a very few representatives were allowed
in for a closely guided tour.
The ICRC had virtually no influence on the fate of "non-Aryan" victims
of the camp systems.

Was the Red Cross allowed to visit the Gulags?

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by Kurt Knoll

Post by JT
Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies. It was a work camp.
Supposedly the most dreaded of German camps, Auschwitz was repeatedly
visited by Red Cross inspection teams
-----------------------------------
The Red Cross deny this and state, quite logically, that it is not
the function of the Red Cross to inspect civilian prisons.
They have powers and responsibilities only with regard to prisoners of war.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

[I'll Always Be Here]

Post by ZULU

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by Kurt Knoll
Do you mean the red gross never visited the camp ?.
Kurt Knoll.

They tried and tried, and were generally refused entry. On a very
few occasions, such as when the Nazis found it politcally expedient to
make the Danish think that the camps were not what they were, a portion
of Auschwitz was cleaned up and a very few representatives were allowed
in for a closely guided tour.
The ICRC had virtually no influence on the fate of "non-Aryan" victims
of the camp systems.

Was the Red Cross allowed to visit the Gulags?

And yet more of the "but what about him/her" bullshit ole drongo is legion
for.

Try staying on topic for a change
34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

Post by ZULU

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by Kurt Knoll

Post by JT
Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies. It was a work camp.
Supposedly the most dreaded of German camps, Auschwitz was repeatedly
visited by Red Cross inspection teams
-----------------------------------
The Red Cross deny this and state, quite logically, that it is not
the function of the Red Cross to inspect civilian prisons.
They have powers and responsibilities only with regard to prisoners of war.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

[I'll Always Be Here]

Post by Kurt Knoll
Do you mean the red gross never visited the camp ?.

Can you, LOL, provide proof, LOL, that they ever visited the camp, LOL?

Post by Kurt Knoll
Kurt Knoll.

34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

Post by Kurt Knoll

Post by JT
Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies. It was a work camp.
Supposedly the most dreaded of German camps, Auschwitz was repeatedly
visited by Red Cross inspection teams
-----------------------------------
The Red Cross deny this and state, quite logically, that it is not the
function of the Red Cross to inspect civilian prisons.
They have powers and responsibilities only with regard to prisoners of war.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

[WE...are the Good Guys]

the red cross was founded by the Rothschilds and it has since changed
it's story and denies ever visiting the camps and not witnessing any
industrialised slaughter though their OWN DOCUMENTS prove no slaughter
ever occurred:

RECENTLY RELEASED RECORDS, SEALED FOR YEARS, SHOW "CONCENTRATION CAMP"
DEATH TOTALS OF ONLY 271,301
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1946

[Custos Custodum]

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 01:51:38 -0700 (PDT), ‹ŽGoyfire Radio?‹ "WE...are

Post by WE...are the Good Guys
the red cross was founded by the Rothschilds and it has since changed
it's story and denies ever visiting the camps and not witnessing any
industrialised slaughter though their OWN DOCUMENTS prove no slaughter
RECENTLY RELEASED RECORDS, SEALED FOR YEARS,

A letter dated 1979.

Post by WE...are the Good Guys
SHOW "CONCENTRATION CAMP"
DEATH TOTALS OF ONLY 271,301
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1946

In fact, it shows nothing of the sort. It's just another example of
how the unscrupulous will distort and misrepresent the facts in order
to deceive and manipulate the ignorant and the gullible, of which you
are undoubtedly one.

[Patrick Keenan]

Post by JT
Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies.

Yes, let's stop pretending that it was a harmless place, instead of what it
was - part of a camp system using slave labour and mass murder.

Post by JT
It was a work camp.

Portions of it were "only" slave labour camps. Other portions were devoted
to mass murder.

You do realize how many camps made up the Auschwitz complex, don't you?

Post by JT
Supposedly the most dreaded of German camps, Auschwitz was repeatedly
visited by Red Cross inspection teams

This is a partial truth. The Red Cross did visit some parts of some camps.
However, the Nazi command categorically refused them access to the entire
camps, explicitly to the extermination portions of Auschwitz.

http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/history-holocauste-020205

"On 23 June 1944, an ICRC delegate, Dr. Maurice Rossel, went to
Theresienstadt. His visit was carefully orchestrated. He walked through the
ghetto under the escort of SS officers, but he did not have the opportunity
to talk with the Jewish people there, nor to get inside the fortress. Two
representatives of the Danish government also took part in the visit.

On 27 September 1944, Dr Rossel went to Auschwitz. There he spoke to the
commander of the camp, but he was not authorized to go inside it."

I'd bet that there is a reason you left that part out, and that it isn't
that you didn't know about it.

Post by JT
-----------------------------------
The Red Cross deny this

What the Red Cross *actually says* is this:

"Under Hitler's regime, Jews were deprived of all their rights and
dispossessed of their property, packed into overcrowded ghettos, forced to
wear a yellow star and subjected to countless forms of humiliation and
brutality, to deportation and massacres. During the war, the number of
roundups increased and Jews were systematically deported to concentration
and extermination camps, cut off completely from the outside world.

In December 1939, the President of the International Committee of the Red
Cross (ICRC) approached the German Red Cross to arrange for ICRC delegates
to visit the Jews from Vienna who had been deported to Poland. He met with a
refusal, as the German authorities did not under any circumstances want to
enter into a discussion on the fate of these people.

From then on, the ICRC opted for a strategy of no longer addressing the
question of Jews directly -- it did so only in general approaches concerning
the victims of mass arrests or deportation, and then it made no reference to
their religious affiliation or racial origins, although it was clear that
the people in question were, for the most part, Jews.

On 29 April 1942, the German Red Cross informed the ICRC that it would not
communicate any information on "non-Aryan" detainees, and asked it to
refrain from asking questions about them. "


Is there a reason you left this out? I would find it hard to believe that
you didn't know about this.

Post by JT
and state, quite logically, that it is not the function of the Red Cross
to inspect civilian prisons.

And yet, they made repeated requests to visit the concentration camps.
They were refused permission by the Nazi command, with very rare and
stage-managed exceptions.

Post by JT
They have powers and responsibilities only with regard to prisoners of war.

In many cases, they have no powers whatsoever. Particularly in respect to
the actions of the Nazis, the Red Cross was entirely powerless to prevent
the murders of millions of innocent civilians.

The responsibility for those murders rests, as it always has, on Nazis and
the racial ideology that drove them.

-pk

Post by JT
--
William Black

<snippage>

[Kurt Knoll]

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by JT
Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies.

Yes, let's stop pretending that it was a harmless place, instead of what
it was - part of a camp system using slave labour and mass murder.

So you say. Both the German and Rusian did use prisoners of war for labour
jobs. Ask the german prisoners of war that did return from Sybiria.
Kurt Knoll.

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by JT
It was a work camp.

Portions of it were "only" slave labour camps. Other portions were
devoted to mass murder.
You do realize how many camps made up the Auschwitz complex, don't you?

Post by JT
Supposedly the most dreaded of German camps, Auschwitz was repeatedly
visited by Red Cross inspection teams

This is a partial truth. The Red Cross did visit some parts of some
camps. However, the Nazi command categorically refused them access to the
entire camps, explicitly to the extermination portions of Auschwitz.
http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/history-holocauste-020205
"On 23 June 1944, an ICRC delegate, Dr. Maurice Rossel, went to
Theresienstadt. His visit was carefully orchestrated. He walked through
the ghetto under the escort of SS officers, but he did not have the
opportunity to talk with the Jewish people there, nor to get inside the
fortress. Two representatives of the Danish government also took part in
the visit.
On 27 September 1944, Dr Rossel went to Auschwitz. There he spoke to the
commander of the camp, but he was not authorized to go inside it."
I'd bet that there is a reason you left that part out, and that it isn't
that you didn't know about it.

Post by JT
-----------------------------------
The Red Cross deny this

"Under Hitler's regime, Jews were deprived of all their rights and
dispossessed of their property, packed into overcrowded ghettos, forced to
wear a yellow star and subjected to countless forms of humiliation and
brutality, to deportation and massacres. During the war, the number of
roundups increased and Jews were systematically deported to concentration
and extermination camps, cut off completely from the outside world.
In December 1939, the President of the International Committee of the Red
Cross (ICRC) approached the German Red Cross to arrange for ICRC delegates
to visit the Jews from Vienna who had been deported to Poland. He met with
a refusal, as the German authorities did not under any circumstances want
to enter into a discussion on the fate of these people.
From then on, the ICRC opted for a strategy of no longer addressing the
question of Jews directly -- it did so only in general approaches
concerning the victims of mass arrests or deportation, and then it made no
reference to their religious affiliation or racial origins, although it
was clear that the people in question were, for the most part, Jews.
On 29 April 1942, the German Red Cross informed the ICRC that it would not
communicate any information on "non-Aryan" detainees, and asked it to
refrain from asking questions about them. "
Is there a reason you left this out? I would find it hard to believe
that you didn't know about this.

Post by JT
and state, quite logically, that it is not the function of the Red
Cross to inspect civilian prisons.

And yet, they made repeated requests to visit the concentration camps.
They were refused permission by the Nazi command, with very rare and
stage-managed exceptions.

Post by JT
They have powers and responsibilities only with regard to prisoners of war.

In many cases, they have no powers whatsoever. Particularly in respect
to the actions of the Nazis, the Red Cross was entirely powerless to
prevent the murders of millions of innocent civilians.
The responsibility for those murders rests, as it always has, on Nazis and
the racial ideology that drove them.
-pk

Post by JT
--
William Black

<snippage>

[I'll Always Be Here]

34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com..

Post by Kurt Knoll

Post by Patrick Keenan

. Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies.

Yes, let's stop pretending that it was a harmless place, instead of
what it was - part of a camp system using slave labour and mass murder.

So you say. Both the German and Rusian did use prisoners of war for
labour jobs. Ask the german prisoners of war that did return from
Sybiria. Kurt Knoll.

But the Jews in Auschwitz or any other camp were not POW's, were they?

Post by Kurt Knoll

Post by Patrick Keenan

It was a work camp.

Portions of it were "only" slave labour camps. Other portions were
devoted to mass murder.
You do realize how many camps made up the Auschwitz complex, don't you?

Supposedly the most dreaded of German camps, Auschwitz was repeatedly
visited by Red Cross inspection teams

This is a partial truth. The Red Cross did visit some parts of some
camps. However, the Nazi command categorically refused them access to
the entire camps, explicitly to the extermination portions of
Auschwitz.
http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/history-holocauste-020205
"On 23 June 1944, an ICRC delegate, Dr. Maurice Rossel, went to
Theresienstadt. His visit was carefully orchestrated. He walked through
the ghetto under the escort of SS officers, but he did not have the
opportunity to talk with the Jewish people there, nor to get inside the
fortress. Two representatives of the Danish government also took part
in the visit.
On 27 September 1944, Dr Rossel went to Auschwitz. There he spoke to
the commander of the camp, but he was not authorized to go inside it."
I'd bet that there is a reason you left that part out, and that it
isn't that you didn't know about it.

-----------------------------------
The Red Cross deny this

"Under Hitler's regime, Jews were deprived of all their rights and
dispossessed of their property, packed into overcrowded ghettos, forced
to wear a yellow star and subjected to countless forms of humiliation
and brutality, to deportation and massacres. During the war, the number
of roundups increased and Jews were systematically deported to
concentration and extermination camps, cut off completely from the
outside world.
In December 1939, the President of the International Committee of the
Red Cross (ICRC) approached the German Red Cross to arrange for ICRC
delegates to visit the Jews from Vienna who had been deported to
Poland. He met with a refusal, as the German authorities did not under
any circumstances want to enter into a discussion on the fate of these
people.
From then on, the ICRC opted for a strategy of no longer addressing the
question of Jews directly -- it did so only in general approaches
concerning the victims of mass arrests or deportation, and then it made
no reference to their religious affiliation or racial origins, although
it was clear that the people in question were, for the most part, Jews.
On 29 April 1942, the German Red Cross informed the ICRC that it would
not communicate any information on "non-Aryan" detainees, and asked it
to refrain from asking questions about them. "
Is there a reason you left this out? I would find it hard to believe
that you didn't know about this.

and state, quite logically, that it is not the function of the Red
Cross to inspect civilian prisons.

And yet, they made repeated requests to visit the concentration camps.
They were refused permission by the Nazi command, with very rare and
stage-managed exceptions.

They have powers and responsibilities only with regard to prisoners of war.

In many cases, they have no powers whatsoever. Particularly in
respect to the actions of the Nazis, the Red Cross was entirely
powerless to prevent the murders of millions of innocent civilians.
The responsibility for those murders rests, as it always has, on Nazis
and the racial ideology that drove them.
-pk

--
William Black

<snippage>

[B.H. Cramer]

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by JT
Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies.

Yes, let's stop pretending that it was a harmless place, instead of what
it was - part of a camp system using slave labour and mass murder.

Post by JT
It was a work camp.

Portions of it were "only" slave labour camps. Other portions were
devoted to mass murder.

Not that you clowns have ever been able to prove.

Screeching and "because I say so" doesn't cut it as proof, keenan turd.

[p***@yahoo.com]

Post by B.H. Cramer

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by JT
Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies.

Yes, let's stop pretending that it was a harmless place, instead of what
it was - part of a camp system using slave labour and mass murder.

Post by JT
It was a work camp.

Portions of it were "only" slave labour camps.  Other portions were
devoted to mass murder.

Not that you clowns have ever been able to prove.

Incorrect.

Post by B.H. Cramer
Screeching and "because I say so" doesn't cut it as proof, keenan turd.

Snipping all the evidence doesn't make it go away, Benjy-bowels.

[a***@googlemail.com]

Post by p***@yahoo.com

Post by B.H. Cramer

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by JT
Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies.

Yes, let's stop pretending that it was a harmless place, instead of what
it was - part of a camp system using slave labour and mass murder.

Post by JT
It was a work camp.

Portions of it were "only" slave labour camps. Other portions were
devoted to mass murder.

Not that you clowns have ever been able to prove.

Incorrect.

Post by B.H. Cramer
Screeching and "because I say so" doesn't cut it as proof, keenan turd.

Snipping all the evidence doesn't make it go away, Benjy-bowels.

....... Equally, 'keep repeating the same bullshit, doesn't make it
true'.......

[p***@yahoo.com]

Post by p***@yahoo.com

Post by B.H. Cramer

Post by Patrick Keenan

Post by JT
Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies.

Yes, let's stop pretending that it was a harmless place, instead of what
it was - part of a camp system using slave labour and mass murder.

Post by JT
It was a work camp.

Portions of it were "only" slave labour camps.  Other portions were
devoted to mass murder.

Not that you clowns have ever been able to prove.

Incorrect.

Post by B.H. Cramer
Screeching and "because I say so" doesn't cut it as proof, keenan turd.

Snipping all the evidence doesn't make it go away, Benjy-bowels.

....... Equally,  'keep repeating the same bullshit, doesn't make it
true'.......

Benjy is a splendid example of that maxim too.He's been proven a
very, very dishonest bullshitter many MANY times. (examples available
on request)

[SwampMidget]

A report on the visit of an IRC delegate to Auschwitz in September,
1944 pointed out that internees were permitted to receive packages and
that rumors of gas chambers could not be verified.

Nizkor replies:

Rumors of gas chambers could not be verified because the delegates
were expressly forbidden from visiting the Auschwitz Krema, where the
gas chambers and cremation facilities were. They were taken only to
those parts of the huge complex which housed prisoners who were not to
be exterminated. Some Allied POWs were held in Auschwitz, in
reasonable conditions, but they knew about the gassings and mentioned
them to the IRC delegate.

For example, former SS-Untersturmfuehrer Dr. Hans Münch confirmed this
in his testimony at the International Nuremberg Trial (Trial of the
Major War Criminals, 1948, Vol. VIII, p. 313-321). He said:

I repeatedly witnessed guided tours of civilians and also of
commissions of the Red Cross and other parties within the camp, and I
was able to ascertain that the camp leadership arranged it masterfully
to conduct these guided tours in such a way that the people being
guided around did not see anything about inhuman treatment. The main
camp was shown only and in this main camp there were so-called show
blocks, particularly block 13, that were especially prepared for such
guided tours and that were equipped like a normal soldier's barracks
with beds that had sheets on them, and well-functioning washrooms.

Ironically, this policy of not showing extermination-related
facilities is also confirmed by the IHR itself, though unwittingly. In
the "Lüftl Report," supposed expert Walter Lüftl mentions a memo to
the commandants of the concentration camps. According to Lüftl, it
reads:

The bordello and the crematories are not to be shown during camp
visits. These installations are not to be mentioned to persons
visiting the camp...

Lüftl goes on to comment:

Apparently, then, everything else could be shown and mentioned to
visitors. Logically, then, a gas chamber, if one existed, could be
shown and talked about; otherwise, it would have been included in the
prohibition.

Since we cannot assume that the SS ever showed a [homicidal] gas
chamber to the inspectors of the International Red Cross, it is
permissible to conclude that none existed.

Lüftl, who is supposedly an expert, is not even aware that the term
"crematories" refers to the cremation complexes, which also housed not
only the ovens but also the gas chambers.

Unwittingly, he has presented evidence against his own case -- for why
would it be necessary to hide the cremation complexes from the Red
Cross unless something were happening there that the Red Cross should
not see?

The "Lüftl Report," is available on-line in a textfile on Nizkor, or
as a web page at the IHR's web site. Search on the text "Red Cross".
-----------------------------------------------------

Now, if I was JT, and I somehow came to the belief that all the
information about the holocaust was fraudulent, I may find myself
doing such things as posting my ascertions with my supporting
evidence. But what if it was later shown to me where I was in error
in my beliefs, and my questions were answered in detail, the first
hand testimony of countless victims was given of the horrific
genocide, and the mass preponderance of evidance that proves the
holocaust was a fact.

I know I would be overwhelmed with remorse and, at the very least,
promise to look further into these questions before posting a bold
faced assertion like "the holocaust is a fraud." The thought that I
had denigrated people who went through so much would make me
remorseful.

But I have a feeling that is not the way JT feels when his ascertions
are shown to be bunk. Nope. I have a feeling that historical fact is
not what JT is searching for. I'd even go so far as to guess that JT
has a certain predisposition towards Jewish people.

JT, someday you will die and stand before God. You will answer for
the hate you spread.

[Carl]

Post by JT
Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies. It was a work camp.

I only wish your parents and grandparents had had the opportunity to work
there. Even better if it were you. Idiot.

[Burgess Krell]

Post by JT
Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies.

Why are you lying about something 60 years old when there are so many recent
events for you to distort?

[RJ11]

In article <e651aec3-acec-42e1-87bf-***@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
JT <***@googlemail.com> wrote:

(snip)

In a memo written on September 8 1942, Kurt Prufer of the
firm "Topf and Sons" stated that Auschwitz officials are not
satisfied with a cremation capacity of 2,650 corpses per day,
and "we should deliver more ovens as quickly as possible".

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

RJ.