Discussion:
Tory conference and Tory lies
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Stephen Cole
2019-09-29 07:17:52 UTC
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As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
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Keema's Nan
2019-09-29 07:36:10 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
Brian Gaff
2019-09-29 08:13:36 UTC
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Actually I don't believe anything until it happens myself. There is no money
after all.
So unless we engage slave labour then the capitalist system as it currently
exists is just like a plant starved of water.
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I've got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
Rod Speed
2019-09-29 09:38:04 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
Actually I don't believe anything until it happens myself.
There is no money after all.
There is plenty of money, what used to be sent
to the EU and the exit fee if it’s a no deal brexit.
Post by Brian Gaff
So unless we engage slave labour then the capitalist system as it
currently exists is just like a plant starved of water.
Even sillier than you usually manage and that’s saying something.
Post by Brian Gaff
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I've got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
Peeler
2019-09-29 10:24:38 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:38:04 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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Stephen Cole
2019-09-29 08:14:12 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
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Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
2019-09-29 08:32:39 UTC
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On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.

Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.

Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)

AB
Rod Speed
2019-09-29 09:43:57 UTC
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Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I'm interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the "pledges" being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
More fool you. Boris decides what the govt does spending wise.

Trump doesn't, stupid.
Peeler
2019-09-29 10:26:45 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:43:57 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
More fool you. Boris
None of yours, senile troll!
Post by Rod Speed
Trump
None of yours, either, senile troll!
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Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
2019-09-29 10:27:59 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:43:57 +1000, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I'm interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the "pledges" being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
More fool you. Boris decides what the govt does spending wise.
Trump doesn't, stupid.
Sorry Rodders, sometimes I forget that there are none English speakers
using the NG.

Trump has got away with lies and false promises for his entire
presidency. Boris appears to think that emulating him is a key to
success.

Do try to keep up Rodders.

AB
Rod Speed
2019-09-29 10:33:44 UTC
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Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:43:57 +1000, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I'm interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the "pledges" being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
More fool you. Boris decides what the govt does spending wise.
Trump doesn't, stupid.
Sorry Rodders, sometimes I forget that there are none English speakers
using the NG.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
Trump has got away with lies and false
promises for his entire presidency.
And that's what has got him elected in the first place.
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
Boris appears to think that emulating him is a key to success.
Even sillier than you usually manage, and that's saying something.

He did get to be mayor, twice. More than you ever managed.
Peeler
2019-09-29 10:46:48 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 20:33:44 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
You certainly keep bullshiting your way FAST into your grave, you abnormal
85-year-old trolling senile pest!
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Stephen Cole
2019-09-30 07:13:30 UTC
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Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist and
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It goes
to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of control
that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big problems given
the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody actually knows how
many children he’s spawned). If there’s one thing that the British tabloids
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal, and it looks
like they’re starting to dig their teeth into the shambling sack of cum
that currently occupies Number 10.
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Ian Jackson
2019-09-30 07:26:47 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist and
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It goes
to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of control
that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big problems given
the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody actually knows how
many children he’s spawned). If there’s one thing that the British tabloids
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal, and it looks
like they’re starting to dig their teeth into the shambling sack of cum
that currently occupies Number 10.
While the Arcruri allegations might give cause for concern, who cares a
damn whether he groped* someone's thigh (or any other part of their
anatomy) 20 years ago?
*Does squeezing a thigh count as a 'grope'?
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Joe
2019-09-29 08:59:43 UTC
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On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop
of self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend
13 Billion quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first
of many uncosted pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve
got a genuine question for any Tory voters reading; do you
actually believe these promises or do you see them for the naked
distractions and lies they clearly are? If the latter, why do you
persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being
made by the Tory leader. HTH.
Well, you've fallen for the 'we can turn Communist *and* stay in the
EU' tripe.
--
Joe
Norman Wells
2019-09-29 09:54:36 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?

Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.

And if you're interested in the costing of such proposals:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/may/02/diane-abbotts-error-filled-lbc-interview-on-police-funding-video
Ian Jackson
2019-09-29 10:38:45 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
The 40 hospitals are simply the latest in Boris's growing list of
promises - or in case they never happen, might it not be better to call
them 'aspirations'?
Post by Norman Wells
Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.
There was also a lot not-to-like in Labour's list of 'aspirations'
(although some items were obviously plain daft).
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abelard
2019-09-29 10:47:54 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:38:45 +0100, Ian Jackson
Post by Ian Jackson
There was also a lot not-to-like in Labour's list of 'aspirations'
(although some items were obviously plain daft).
they are indeed, as usual, plain daft...

however,you should realise that fnl actually intend to
introduce their plain daft proposals...as socialist
regimes have around the world...

with the obvious costs in poverty and dictatorship that invariably
follow
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Keema's Nan
2019-09-29 11:20:33 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
The 40 hospitals are simply the latest in Boris's growing list of
promises - or in case they never happen, might it not be better to call
them 'aspirations'?
A bit like renationalising water, national grid, railways maybe?
Post by Ian Jackson
Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.
There was also a lot not-to-like in Labour's list of 'aspirations'
(although some items were obviously plain daft).
Joe
2019-09-29 13:02:58 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:38:45 +0100
Post by Ian Jackson
The 40 hospitals are simply the latest in Boris's growing list of
promises - or in case they never happen, might it not be better to
call them 'aspirations'?
No, 'aspirations' is already taken, it's the trade union euphemism for
'greed', as in 'my members' natural aspirations'.
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Joe
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
2019-09-29 10:48:36 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/may/02/diane-abbotts-error-filled-lbc-interview-on-police-funding-video
Yes indeed, how right you are. Obviously Dianne Abbott is paying way
over the odds for these police.

What with all the savings from the Brexit closures that have occurred
and less need to import all those luxury items like food now that the
pound has plummetted, there is loads of money available as Boris has
found.

Abbott might just have been looking in the wrong place for the cash.
Boris has not only rendered May's magic money tree a total work of
fiction, he has found a magic money forest, the like of which dwarfs
the Amazon into insignificance.

Eat your heart out Abbott, the new Tory left has you beaten hands
down.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/25/boris-johnson-wants-recruit-20000-extra-police-officers-10463236/

Now do I hear 40000 anyone ?

What I fingd impossible to comprehend is how anyone bothers to even
quote Boris. His ramblings are an insult to anyones intelligence.

AB
Keema's Nan
2019-09-29 11:26:30 UTC
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Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/may/02/diane-abbotts-error-f
illed-lbc-interview-on-police-funding-video
Yes indeed, how right you are. Obviously Dianne Abbott is paying way
over the odds for these police.
What with all the savings from the Brexit closures that have occurred
and less need to import all those luxury items like food now that the
pound has plummetted, there is loads of money available as Boris has
found.
Abbott might just have been looking in the wrong place for the cash.
Boris has not only rendered May's magic money tree a total work of
fiction, he has found a magic money forest, the like of which dwarfs
the Amazon into insignificance.
Eat your heart out Abbott, the new Tory left has you beaten hands
down.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/25/boris-johnson-wants-recruit-20000-extra-police-
officers-10463236/
Now do I hear 40000 anyone ?
Easy. Just threaten all hand car wash crooks and their slave
labour/prostitution illegals with deportation back to E Europe; or join the
police force as pen pushers on minimum wage.

That way, the real plod are free to do some proper policing.
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
What I fingd impossible to comprehend is how anyone bothers to even
quote Boris.
And yet you manage to post links to his quotations.
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
His ramblings are an insult to anyones intelligence.
AB
Dave Plowman (News)
2019-09-29 13:13:57 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
I‘m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the ”pledges• being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
Nothing. If it were true.

It is actually 6 new or refurbished during the next parliament - if Boris
wins outright, which is unlikely.
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AlexK
2019-09-29 19:22:59 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Norman Wells
I'm interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the "pledges. being
made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
Nothing. If it were true.
It is actually 6 new or refurbished during the next parliament - if Boris
wins outright, which is unlikely.
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non
Tory MPs who are prepared to support doing that.
Cursitor Doom
2019-09-29 19:47:20 UTC
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Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel, but he
won't do that 'cos he's a closet remainer following the same playbook as
May.
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Joe
2019-09-29 20:05:52 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:47:20 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel, but
he won't do that 'cos he's a closet remainer following the same
playbook as May.
As I've said before, if we're not out, cleanly, before the next
election then the Conservative party will be able to save 650 deposits,
and in the one after, and the one after that... and the Leave vote will
no longer be split.
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AlexK
2019-09-29 20:51:28 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
Post by Cursitor Doom
but he won't do that 'cos he's a closet remainer
He wouldn’t be so gung ho for brexit and no extension if he was.
Post by Cursitor Doom
following the same playbook as May.
He isnt after BRINO because he knows that wont get thru parliament.
Norman Wells
2019-09-29 21:58:33 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.
AlexK
2019-09-29 22:35:36 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.
Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD. While the SNP is also unambiguously
remain, they only have any chance of getting a seat in scotland
and have managed to get almost all of those seats and isnt
under any real threat from the LD there in any of those seats.

Certain some Labour voters wouldn’t be seen dead
voting for the LD, but that’s not splitting the remain
vote, those will mostly just not vote for any party.
Peeler
2019-09-29 22:46:48 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 08:35:36 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.
Its not going to be split
LOL This senile idiot is simply unbelievable!
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Norman Wells
2019-09-30 08:09:28 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.
Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.
How does that stop the Remain vote being split?

Here's the current state of the parties:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-intention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-

Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..
Peeler
2019-09-29 22:22:02 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 06:51:28 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
You'll auto-contradict in ANY direction, even if it contradicts what you
said in another place, eh, you clinically insane senile asshole from Oz? LOL
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Cursitor Doom
2019-09-29 23:28:37 UTC
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Post by AlexK
He wouldn’t be so gung ho for brexit and no extension if he was.
He's not gung ho for Brexit; he's gung ho for saving the Tory Party. The
Party knows it'll be FINISHED if they don't get us out at the end of
October so their *primary* duty and sole interest at present is to save
the Party.
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AlexK
2019-09-29 23:40:44 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by AlexK
He wouldn’t be so gung ho for brexit and no extension if he was.
He's not gung ho for Brexit;
Bullshit.
Post by Cursitor Doom
he's gung ho for saving the Tory Party.
Its doing fine, doesn’t need saving. In spades
given that the Trots have hijacked Labour now.
Post by Cursitor Doom
The Party knows it'll be FINISHED if they
don't get us out at the end of October
That’s bullshit. No major party is ever
finished over a single issue like that.
Post by Cursitor Doom
so their *primary* duty and sole interest
at present is to save the Party.
Fantasy.
Peeler
2019-09-30 07:35:29 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:40:44 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
He's not gung ho for Brexit;
Bullshit.
That one word would make the perfect nym for you, senile bullshit artist!
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Peeler
2019-09-29 20:06:57 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 05:22:59 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
Post by AlexK
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
It is actually 6 new or refurbished during the next parliament - if Boris
wins outright, which is unlikely.
Doesn't
LOL Auto-contradicting senile asshole!
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michael adams
2019-09-29 13:45:49 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like
Building hospitals is the easy bit.

Its finding the doctors and nurses to staff them, that's the hard bit.

Whether the "hostile environment" which will have been created as a
result of Brexit will be a great help in that regard is of course another
matter,

I wonder if anyone asked Boris about that ?


michael adams

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2019-09-29 14:00:46 UTC
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Whether the "hostile environment" which will have been created as a
result of Brexit will be a great help in that regard is of course another
matter,
Well remain should not have created it should they?
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dennis@home
2019-09-29 16:34:41 UTC
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Post by michael adams
Post by Norman Wells
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like
Building hospitals is the easy bit.
Its finding the doctors and nurses to staff them, that's the hard bit.
No its not you just close five or six smaller hospitals in the area and
move them to the new one.
Roger
2019-09-29 19:31:17 UTC
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Post by michael adams
Post by Norman Wells
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like
Building hospitals is the easy bit.
Its finding the doctors and nurses to staff them, that's the hard bit.
Interestingly, Labour state:

"The next Labour government will reverse privatization of our NHS and return our health service into expert public control."


And a (private) manager essentially stated that it would be impossible for the state to undertake all the employees that are now outsourced.
abelard
2019-09-29 20:04:38 UTC
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Post by Roger
Post by michael adams
Post by Norman Wells
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like
Building hospitals is the easy bit.
Its finding the doctors and nurses to staff them, that's the hard bit.
"The next Labour government will reverse privatization of our NHS and return our health service into expert public control."
And a (private) manager essentially stated that it would be impossible for the state to undertake all the employees that are now outsourced.
the fnl never nationalised the 'doctors'...they bought them off...
https://www.abelard.org/socialism/labour-party-did-not-start-nhs.php
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2019-09-29 10:24:39 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
I am more interested in Labour pledges which are not costed and indeed are impossible to cost.

Pledges which involve the sequestration/stealing of private assets such as independent schools 'reforms' to inheritance tax which redirect more of the assets of the deceased to the state, Inhibitions to be placed upon land/asset transfers within families. Attitudes to Corporation tax and corporate taxation in particular.
JNugent
2019-09-29 11:57:58 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
Cole *thinks*?

Are you sure?
Mark Devon
2019-09-29 16:43:43 UTC
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((Cole *thinks*?

Are you sure?))

Clearly more than you are even capable of.
JNugent
2019-09-29 22:35:08 UTC
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Post by Mark Devon
((Cole *thinks*?
Are you sure?))
Clearly more than you are even capable of.
As usual, you are too late with your attempt at a playground insult.
Brian Gaff
2019-09-30 07:50:50 UTC
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One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock ups.
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I've got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
Tim Lamb
2019-09-30 08:08:17 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock ups.
Brian
More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.
The idea of Boris being managed by *friends of Mogg* offends even my
robust sensibilities!
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Rod Speed
2019-09-29 08:45:44 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference
against a backdrop of self-created pure chaos,
It’s the parliament that has created what chaos
there is by trying to force Boris to ask for an
extension and ignore the referendum result.
Post by Stephen Cole
Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13
Billion quid on building 40 new hospitals,
Because there is a real possibility of a general election, stupid.
Post by Stephen Cole
doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days.
Clearly that one is costed, stupid.
Post by Stephen Cole
Now, I’ve got a genuine question for any Tory voters
reading; do you actually believe these promises
Corse they do if the Torys are still the govt.
Post by Stephen Cole
or do you see them for the naked distractions
Clearly not a distraction, naked or clothed.
Post by Stephen Cole
and lies they clearly are?
Bet it does happen if the Torys do continue to be the govt.
Post by Stephen Cole
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Because the alternatives are worse, stupid.
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
2019-09-29 08:59:39 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:45:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference
against a backdrop of self-created pure chaos,
It’s the parliament that has created what chaos
there is by trying to force Boris to ask for an
extension and ignore the referendum result.
Post by Stephen Cole
Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13
Billion quid on building 40 new hospitals,
Because there is a real possibility of a general election, stupid.
Post by Stephen Cole
doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days.
Clearly that one is costed, stupid.
Post by Stephen Cole
Now, I’ve got a genuine question for any Tory voters
reading; do you actually believe these promises
Corse they do if the Torys are still the govt.
Post by Stephen Cole
or do you see them for the naked distractions
Clearly not a distraction, naked or clothed.
Post by Stephen Cole
and lies they clearly are?
Bet it does happen if the Torys do continue to be the govt.
Post by Stephen Cole
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Because the alternatives are worse, stupid.
When is the truth a worse alternative to a pack of lies?

AB
Rod Speed
2019-09-29 09:53:18 UTC
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Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:45:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference
against a backdrop of self-created pure chaos,
It's the parliament that has created what chaos
there is by trying to force Boris to ask for an
extension and ignore the referendum result.
Post by Stephen Cole
Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13
Billion quid on building 40 new hospitals,
Because there is a real possibility of a general election, stupid.
Post by Stephen Cole
doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days.
Clearly that one is costed, stupid.
Post by Stephen Cole
Now, I've got a genuine question for any Tory voters
reading; do you actually believe these promises
Corse they do if the Torys are still the govt.
Post by Stephen Cole
or do you see them for the naked distractions
Clearly not a distraction, naked or clothed.
Post by Stephen Cole
and lies they clearly are?
Bet it does happen if the Torys do continue to be the govt.
Post by Stephen Cole
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Because the alternatives are worse, stupid.
When is the truth a worse alternative to a pack of lies?
You wouldn't know what the truth was if it bit your bog trotter arse.
Peeler
2019-09-29 10:30:19 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:53:18 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
When is the truth a worse alternative to a pack of lies?
You wouldn't know what the truth was if it bit your bog trotter arse.
The truth here is that you ARE nothing but a trolling piece of shit!
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Peeler
2019-09-29 10:27:35 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:45:44 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Stephen Cole
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Because the alternatives are worse, stupid.
Nobody asked YOU anything, you trolling piece of senile Ozzie shit! <tsk>
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dennis@home
2019-09-29 09:02:02 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Don't forget they have already pledge a load of money for hospitals so
this is just going to be the same money not extra money.
newshound
2019-09-29 23:06:07 UTC
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Post by ***@home
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Don't forget they have already pledge a load of money for hospitals so
this is just going to be the same money not extra money.
Also the first nuclear fusion power station

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/27/boris-johnson-announces-funding-worlds-first-nuclear-fusion/
Tim Lamb
2019-09-30 07:46:55 UTC
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Post by newshound
Post by ***@home
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Don't forget they have already pledge a load of money for hospitals
so this is just going to be the same money not extra money.
Also the first nuclear fusion power station
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/27/boris-johnson-announces-
funding-worlds-first-nuclear-fusion/
Flap flap, oink oink!
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Stephen Cole
2019-09-30 07:13:30 UTC
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Post by ***@home
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Don't forget they have already pledge a load of money for hospitals so
this is just going to be the same money not extra money.
The whole story fell to pieces since starting this thread; it’s six
hospitals, not 40, and that includes refurbs, already announced as you say.
If this is the best they can manage to launch their election campaign, the
Tories are doomed.
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Rod Speed
2019-09-30 08:15:04 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by ***@home
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Don't forget they have already pledge a load of money for hospitals so
this is just going to be the same money not extra money.
The whole story fell to pieces since starting this thread;
it’s six hospitals, not 40, and that includes refurbs, already
announced as you say. If this is the best they can manage
to launch their election campaign, the Tories are doomed.
That’s bullshit given how pathetic the alternatives are
and the fact that they have announced other stuff too.

abelard
2019-09-29 09:51:23 UTC
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On 29 Sep 2019 07:17:52 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
as with every marxist, you have not a clue concerning the relationship
between politics and money...
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Roger
2019-09-29 10:54:58 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days.
I believe them just as much as any pledge I hear.....such as those at the Labour conference last week ;-)

I would note, however, that against the tendency in the western world, the UK government has more or less balanced the books, so a government could overspend without getting anywhere near the debt situation of it's peers.
Michael Chare
2019-09-29 13:37:21 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
He is in no position to ensure that this will happen due to the lack of
a majority in the House of Commons and he may well not be PM for much
longer for other reasons. Presumably everyone knows this. What will
happen after a general election is hard to say.
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