Discussion:
Tory conference and Tory lies
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Stephen Cole
2019-09-29 07:17:52 UTC
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As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
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Keema's Nan
2019-09-29 07:36:10 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
Brian Gaff
2019-09-29 08:13:36 UTC
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Actually I don't believe anything until it happens myself. There is no money
after all.
So unless we engage slave labour then the capitalist system as it currently
exists is just like a plant starved of water.
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I've got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
Rod Speed
2019-09-29 09:38:04 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
Actually I don't believe anything until it happens myself.
There is no money after all.
There is plenty of money, what used to be sent
to the EU and the exit fee if it’s a no deal brexit.
Post by Brian Gaff
So unless we engage slave labour then the capitalist system as it
currently exists is just like a plant starved of water.
Even sillier than you usually manage and that’s saying something.
Post by Brian Gaff
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I've got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
Peeler
2019-09-29 10:24:38 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:38:04 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH Australian's asshole latest trollshit>
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Stephen Cole
2019-09-29 08:14:12 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
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Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
2019-09-29 08:32:39 UTC
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On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.

Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.

Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)

AB
Rod Speed
2019-09-29 09:43:57 UTC
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Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I'm interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the "pledges" being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
More fool you. Boris decides what the govt does spending wise.

Trump doesn't, stupid.
Peeler
2019-09-29 10:26:45 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:43:57 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
More fool you. Boris
None of yours, senile troll!
Post by Rod Speed
Trump
None of yours, either, senile troll!
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Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
2019-09-29 10:27:59 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:43:57 +1000, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I'm interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the "pledges" being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
More fool you. Boris decides what the govt does spending wise.
Trump doesn't, stupid.
Sorry Rodders, sometimes I forget that there are none English speakers
using the NG.

Trump has got away with lies and false promises for his entire
presidency. Boris appears to think that emulating him is a key to
success.

Do try to keep up Rodders.

AB
Rod Speed
2019-09-29 10:33:44 UTC
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Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:43:57 +1000, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I'm interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the "pledges" being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
More fool you. Boris decides what the govt does spending wise.
Trump doesn't, stupid.
Sorry Rodders, sometimes I forget that there are none English speakers
using the NG.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
Trump has got away with lies and false
promises for his entire presidency.
And that's what has got him elected in the first place.
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
Boris appears to think that emulating him is a key to success.
Even sillier than you usually manage, and that's saying something.

He did get to be mayor, twice. More than you ever managed.
Peeler
2019-09-29 10:46:48 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 20:33:44 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
You certainly keep bullshiting your way FAST into your grave, you abnormal
85-year-old trolling senile pest!
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Stephen Cole
2019-09-30 07:13:30 UTC
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Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist and
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It goes
to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of control
that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big problems given
the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody actually knows how
many children he’s spawned). If there’s one thing that the British tabloids
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal, and it looks
like they’re starting to dig their teeth into the shambling sack of cum
that currently occupies Number 10.
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Ian Jackson
2019-09-30 07:26:47 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist and
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It goes
to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of control
that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big problems given
the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody actually knows how
many children he’s spawned). If there’s one thing that the British tabloids
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal, and it looks
like they’re starting to dig their teeth into the shambling sack of cum
that currently occupies Number 10.
While the Arcruri allegations might give cause for concern, who cares a
damn whether he groped* someone's thigh (or any other part of their
anatomy) 20 years ago?
*Does squeezing a thigh count as a 'grope'?
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Stephen Cole
2019-09-30 08:26:56 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist and
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It goes
to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of control
that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big problems given
the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody actually knows how
many children he’s spawned). If there’s one thing that the British tabloids
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal, and it looks
like they’re starting to dig their teeth into the shambling sack of cum
that currently occupies Number 10.
While the Arcruri allegations might give cause for concern, who cares a
damn whether he groped* someone's thigh (or any other part of their
anatomy) 20 years ago?
A lot of people care about sexual assault, tbh.
Post by Ian Jackson
*Does squeezing a thigh count as a 'grope'?
Yes, or to use its correct term; sexual assault. HTH.
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Keema's Nan
2019-09-30 08:50:15 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If
the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges”
being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist and
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It goes
to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of control
that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big problems given
the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody actually knows how
many children he’s spawned). If there’s one thing that the British tabloids
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal, and it looks
like they’re starting to dig their teeth into the shambling sack of cum
that currently occupies Number 10.
While the Arcruri allegations might give cause for concern, who cares a
damn whether he groped* someone's thigh (or any other part of their
anatomy) 20 years ago?
A lot of people care about sexual assault, tbh.
Post by Ian Jackson
*Does squeezing a thigh count as a 'grope'?
Yes, or to use its correct term; sexual assault.
I see. So in your little world, women want no physical contact from men
whatsoever - unless it has been invited, agreed and signed in triplicate
beforehand?

Good luck with the rest of your miserable existence.
Stephen Cole
2019-09-30 09:55:31 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist and
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It goes
to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of control
that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big problems given
the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody actually knows how
many children he’s spawned). If there’s one thing that the British tabloids
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal, and it looks
like they’re starting to dig their teeth into the shambling sack of cum
that currently occupies Number 10.
While the Arcruri allegations might give cause for concern, who cares a
damn whether he groped* someone's thigh (or any other part of their
anatomy) 20 years ago?
A lot of people care about sexual assault, tbh.
Post by Ian Jackson
*Does squeezing a thigh count as a 'grope'?
Yes, or to use its correct term; sexual assault.
I see. So in your little world, women want no physical contact from men
whatsoever - unless it has been invited, agreed and signed in triplicate
beforehand?
Good luck with the rest of your miserable existence.
If some does it at, say, a work meeting or meal, even to a colleague
they may know, or someone perhaps on bus, in a restaurant etc who they
either don't know aren't in some (even initial stages of) a relationship
with, then it is totally different to a couple who are being, shall we
say, 'playful' on a date etc. If people refuse to accept that, that any
form of 'snogging' (or whatever the current term is) by courting couples
is must be no more that a string of sexual assaults in Steve's eyes.
Certainly women, and men, should be able to about their job and normal
life without having to worrying about 'wandering hands' or even sexual
innuendo. While such things may have been considerable 'acceptable'
(note my quotes) in the past, that doesn't mean they are now or should
have been then.
Having said that, while I am all for nailing sexual offenders to
crosses, I don't for one moment believe that all the claims made about
famous people are true. Certainly those that are timed so conveniently
are extremely dubious.
Good to know you’re on the side of victims of sexual assault, Brian ...
Paul may well find your above post useful in any potential future
litigation.
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Norman Wells
2019-09-30 08:19:45 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist
... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps? That would probably
count in these snowflake times.
Post by Stephen Cole
and
... pretty trivial
Post by Stephen Cole
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It goes
to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of control
that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big problems given
the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody actually knows how
many children he’s spawned).
Does it matter?

If there’s one thing that the British tabloids
Post by Stephen Cole
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal,
Where's the 'scandal'. 'Attractive man enjoys sex with women'?
Post by Stephen Cole
and it looks
like they’re starting to dig their teeth into the shambling sack of cum
that currently occupies Number 10.
They're actually trying to dig up any minor dirt they possibly can.
They know no-one else can win while he's still there. And if that's the
best they've got, it's utterly pathetic.
Keema's Nan
2019-09-30 08:46:32 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If
the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist
... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?
A hand on the thigh with a squeeze that grabbed “enough inner flesh beneath
his fingers” to make her “sit upright”.

According to the front page shock/horror outrage article in the
MI5/Bilderberg Daily (aka The Guardian).
Post by Norman Wells
That would probably
count in these snowflake times.
Post by Stephen Cole
and
... pretty trivial
Post by Stephen Cole
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It goes
to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of control
that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big problems given
the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody actually knows how
many children he’s spawned).
Does it matter?
If there’s one thing that the British tabloids
Post by Stephen Cole
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal,
Where's the 'scandal'. 'Attractive man enjoys sex with women'?
Post by Stephen Cole
and it looks
like they’re starting to dig their teeth into the shambling sack of cum
that currently occupies Number 10.
They're actually trying to dig up any minor dirt they possibly can.
They know no-one else can win while he's still there. And if that's the
best they've got, it's utterly pathetic.
charles
2019-09-30 09:18:37 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are?
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think as you do?
I<m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the >pledges" being
made by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief. I can only assume that as it works for Trump it
will work for Boris, and as with anything if you saturate the media
with lies and misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs
someone to point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to
raise taxes to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist
... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?
Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.
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abelard
2019-09-30 09:38:38 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by Stephen Cole
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On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are?
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think as you do?
I<m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the >pledges" being
made by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief. I can only assume that as it works for Trump it
will work for Boris, and as with anything if you saturate the media
with lies and misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs
someone to point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to
raise taxes to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist
... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?
Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.
at what speed?

which 'news'paper?

i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...
--
www.abelard.org
charles
2019-09-30 10:55:52 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by charles
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly
are? If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these
charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think as you do?
I<m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the >pledges"
being made by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief. I can only assume that as it works for Trump
it will work for Boris, and as with anything if you saturate the
media with lies and misinformation people become blinded. It only
then needs someone to point out the blatantly obvious such as
Corbyn having to raise taxes to start the howls of ridicule and
hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's
givaway time :-)
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist
... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?
Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.
at what speed?
which 'news'paper?
"Sunday Times"
--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
Norman Wells
2019-09-30 11:46:04 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by charles
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Stephen Cole
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist
... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?
Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.
at what speed?
which 'news'paper?
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...
I am shocked beyond measure. If he's squeezed a woman's thigh, he
should clearly be stripped naked, tarred and feathered and paraded
through the streets of London before being hung, drawn and quartered.
The fiend!
Keema's Nan
2019-09-30 11:50:41 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by charles
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are?
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think as you do?
I<m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the>pledges" being
made by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief. I can only assume that as it works for Trump it
will work for Boris, and as with anything if you saturate the media
with lies and misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs
someone to point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to
raise taxes to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist
... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?
Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.
at what speed?
which 'news'paper?
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...
The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years.
Norman Wells
2019-09-30 13:12:20 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
Post by charles
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are?
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think as you do?
I<m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the>pledges" being
made by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief. I can only assume that as it works for Trump it
will work for Boris, and as with anything if you saturate the media
with lies and misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs
someone to point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to
raise taxes to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist
... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?
Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.
at what speed?
which 'news'paper?
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...
The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years.
Stunned into silence probably, traumatised, almost certainly blotting it
out because it is so painful to remember. Only now after extensive
counselling and therapy does she feel able to put her twopennorth (not
to be confused with her tuppence) into the character debate about a
Prime Minister determined to bring Brexit about. Which of course has
nothing to do with it.
Keema's Nan
2019-09-30 13:22:05 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
Post by charles
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are?
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think as you do?
I<m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the>pledges" being
made by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief. I can only assume that as it works for Trump it
will work for Boris, and as with anything if you saturate the media
with lies and misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs
someone to point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to
raise taxes to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist
... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?
Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.
at what speed?
which 'news'paper?
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...
The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years.
Stunned into silence probably, traumatised, almost certainly blotting it
out because it is so painful to remember. Only now after extensive
counselling and therapy does she feel able to put her twopennorth (not
to be confused with her tuppence)
LOL
Post by Norman Wells
into the character debate about a
Prime Minister determined to bring Brexit about. Which of course has
nothing to do with it.
charles
2019-09-30 13:17:00 UTC
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On 30 Sep 2019, abelard wrote (in
Post by abelard
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...
The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years.
If she mentioned it at the time, she'd have lost her job.
--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute, Walmington-on-Sea
2019-09-30 15:31:44 UTC
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Post by charles
On 30 Sep 2019, abelard wrote (in
Post by abelard
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...
The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years.
If she mentioned it at the time, she'd have lost her job.
Revenge is a dish best served cold. Good for her. Tough on Benny Hill.
--
Women know your place!
Ironing the bedlinen - Super fun
Flower arranging - One must do one's bit you know!
Rimming the Vicar - He just adores me
Keema's Nan
2019-09-30 17:43:28 UTC
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On 30 Sep 2019, Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute,
Post by Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute, Walmington-on-Sea
Post by charles
On 30 Sep 2019, abelard wrote (in
Post by abelard
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...
The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years.
If she mentioned it at the time, she'd have lost her job.
Revenge is a dish best served cold. Good for her. Tough on Benny Hill.
You seem not to have noticed the timing of her ‘revenge’.

Let me rephrase my previous statement with an extra detail -

The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years,
and then chose the eve of the first Tory party conference with Boris as PM to
pluck up the courage to go public.

Even Benny Hill was not that calculating or sinister.
Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute, Walmington-on-Sea
2019-09-30 21:54:42 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:43:28 +0100, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
On 30 Sep 2019, Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute,
Post by Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute, Walmington-on-Sea
Post by charles
On 30 Sep 2019, abelard wrote (in
Post by abelard
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...
The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years.
If she mentioned it at the time, she'd have lost her job.
Revenge is a dish best served cold. Good for her. Tough on Benny Hill.
You seem not to have noticed the timing of her ‘revenge’.
Let me rephrase my previous statement with an extra detail -
The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years,
and then chose the eve of the first Tory party conference with Boris as PM to
pluck up the courage to go public.
Even Benny Hill was not that calculating or sinister.
The Benny I was referring to is calculating and sinister. I've heard
that he doesn't respect people who surrender and well all's fair in love
and war is it not. What's good for the goose is good for the gander and
all that. Some lessons in life get learnt the hard way. So in
conclusion, the lesson here is never mess with people who play for
keeps.
--
Women know your place!
Ironing the bedlinen - Super fun
Flower arranging - One must do one's bit you know!
Rimming the Vicar - He just adores me
Keema's Nan
2019-10-01 14:05:20 UTC
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On 30 Sep 2019, Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute,
Post by Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute, Walmington-on-Sea
On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:43:28 +0100, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
On 30 Sep 2019, Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute,
Post by Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute, Walmington-on-Sea
Post by charles
On 30 Sep 2019, abelard wrote (in
Post by abelard
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...
The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years.
If she mentioned it at the time, she'd have lost her job.
Revenge is a dish best served cold. Good for her. Tough on Benny Hill.
You seem not to have noticed the timing of her ‘revenge’.
Let me rephrase my previous statement with an extra detail -
The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years,
and then chose the eve of the first Tory party conference with Boris as PM to
pluck up the courage to go public.
Even Benny Hill was not that calculating or sinister.
The Benny I was referring to is calculating and sinister.
Of course, because you watched all his shows live.

Sadly for you, I did.
Post by Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute, Walmington-on-Sea
I've heard
that he doesn't respect people who surrender and well all's fair in love
and war is it not. What's good for the goose is good for the gander and
all that. Some lessons in life get learnt the hard way. So in
conclusion, the lesson here is never mess with people who play for
keeps.
Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute, Walmington-on-Sea
2019-10-01 15:00:15 UTC
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On Tue, 01 Oct 2019 15:05:20 +0100, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
On 30 Sep 2019, Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute,
Post by Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute, Walmington-on-Sea
On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:43:28 +0100, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
On 30 Sep 2019, Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute,
Post by Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute, Walmington-on-Sea
Post by charles
On 30 Sep 2019, abelard wrote (in
Post by abelard
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...
The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20
years.
If she mentioned it at the time, she'd have lost her job.
Revenge is a dish best served cold. Good for her. Tough on Benny Hill.
You seem not to have noticed the timing of her ‘revenge’.
Let me rephrase my previous statement with an extra detail -
The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years,
and then chose the eve of the first Tory party conference with Boris as PM to
pluck up the courage to go public.
Even Benny Hill was not that calculating or sinister.
The Benny I was referring to is calculating and sinister.
Of course, because you watched all his shows live.
Sadly for you, I did.
It was pitiful wasn't it. All the self conscious dithering as he tried
first to figure out which finger to point and then < cringe > self
consciously wiggle it somewhere in the direction of the opposition.
Thank God he put the short fat stubby thing down under the desk where I
hear it feels more comfortable before he turned to beg applause from the
captive audience behind him and start his star turn of adlibbing like a
barely literate clown. I dunno who was responsible for that dangerous
piece of choreography. Tsk. People might have got injured. You wouldn't
want him driving a taxi. Someone would have to tell 'im."Shut the fuck
up mate and concentrate on the wheel in front of you!"
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute, Walmington-on-Sea
I've heard
that he doesn't respect people who surrender and well all's fair in love
and war is it not. What's good for the goose is good for the gander and
all that. Some lessons in life get learnt the hard way. So in
conclusion, the lesson here is never mess with people who play for
keeps.
--
Women know your place!
Ironing the bedlinen - Super fun
Flower arranging - One must do one's bit you know!
Rimming the Vicar - He just adores me
m***@btopenworld.com
2019-09-30 18:01:22 UTC
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Post by charles
On 30 Sep 2019, abelard wrote (in
Post by abelard
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...
The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years.
If she mentioned it at the time, she'd have lost her job.
In which case she would have had excellent grounds to go to an employment tribunal and cause even more mischief.
Norman Wells
2019-09-30 11:43:46 UTC
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Post by charles
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Stephen Cole
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist
... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?
Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.
Does it say what she did about it?
Dave Plowman (News)
2019-10-01 09:51:44 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by charles
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Stephen Cole
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist
... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?
Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.
Does it say what she did about it?
It is up to the victim of any such thing to take the action required to
stop it, then?
--
*There's two theories to arguing with a woman. Neither one works *

Dave Plowman ***@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Norman Wells
2019-10-01 10:22:04 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Norman Wells
Post by charles
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Stephen Cole
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist
... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?
Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.
Does it say what she did about it?
It is up to the victim of any such thing to take the action required to
stop it, then?
Of course. How else is it supposed to work?

The point is, though, that there was no 'victim'. There very rarely is
when snowflakes use it.
Dave Plowman (News)
2019-10-01 12:56:49 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Norman Wells
Post by charles
Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.
Does it say what she did about it?
It is up to the victim of any such thing to take the action required to
stop it, then?
Of course. How else is it supposed to work?
For the likes of you, it's not. Women should just except it is the right
of any man to act like that. Indeed, take it as a complement.
Post by Norman Wells
The point is, though, that there was no 'victim'. There very rarely is
when snowflakes use it.
Yup. She was begging for it. Obvious isn't it?
--
*America is so advanced that even the chairs are electric.

Dave Plowman ***@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Pamela
2019-10-01 14:56:03 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Norman Wells
Post by charles
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Stephen Cole
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist
... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?
Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.
Does it say what she did about it?
It is up to the victim of any such thing to take the action required to
stop it, then?
Of course. How else is it supposed to work?
The point is, though, that there was no 'victim'. There very rarely is
when snowflakes use it.
Of course she's a victim. Trouble for Boris is Charlotte Edwardes has a
well-deserved reputation for integrity and can't be dismissed as a fantasist.

She must have been terrified of losing her job for refusing his advances and
groping hands.

He's an unrestrained serial sexual predator and she won't be the only one to
have suffered.
Norman Wells
2019-10-01 15:59:43 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Norman Wells
Post by charles
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Stephen Cole
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist
... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?
Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.
Does it say what she did about it?
It is up to the victim of any such thing to take the action required to
stop it, then?
Of course. How else is it supposed to work?
The point is, though, that there was no 'victim'. There very rarely is
when snowflakes use it.
Of course she's a victim.
In that case everyone's a victim and victimhood is normality, so we need
a different word to distinguish real victims from trivial synthetic
ones. What do you suggest?
Post by Pamela
Trouble for Boris is Charlotte Edwardes has a
well-deserved reputation for integrity and can't be dismissed as a fantasist.
She must have been terrified of losing her job for refusing his advances and
groping hands.
So, she didn't, according to you. Where does that leave her 'integrity'?
Post by Pamela
He's an unrestrained serial sexual predator and she won't be the only one to
have suffered.
Can you tell us how she 'suffered' please?
JNugent
2019-09-30 16:48:11 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by Stephen Cole
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist
... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of.  A pat on the back perhaps?  That would probably
count in these snowflake times.
Post by Stephen Cole
and
... pretty trivial
Post by Stephen Cole
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It
goes to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of
control that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big
problems given the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life
(nobody actually knows how many children he’s spawned).
Does it matter?
Post by Stephen Cole
 If there’s one thing that the British tabloids
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal,
Where's the 'scandal'.  'Attractive man enjoys sex with women'?
For Cole, that probably is a scandal - or at the very least, an
unsatisfactory prospect.
Pamela
2019-09-30 10:38:30 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are?
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all
think as you do?
I?m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the ?pledges?
being made by the Tory leader. HTH.
It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist and
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It
goes to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of
control that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big
problems given the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody
actually knows how many children he’s spawned). If there’s one thing
that the British tabloids can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned
political sex scandal, and it looks like they’re starting to dig their
teeth into the shambling sack of cum that currently occupies Number 10.
What if Boris made his grand spnding pledges, allowed them to sink in to
his base's thinking and then, to avoid further scrutiny of his spending
bonanza, actually encouraged the thigh squeezing story to come out to
deflect attention.

That's a page straight out of Lynton Crosby's playbook.
Joe
2019-09-29 08:59:43 UTC
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On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop
of self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend
13 Billion quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first
of many uncosted pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve
got a genuine question for any Tory voters reading; do you
actually believe these promises or do you see them for the naked
distractions and lies they clearly are? If the latter, why do you
persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being
made by the Tory leader. HTH.
Well, you've fallen for the 'we can turn Communist *and* stay in the
EU' tripe.
--
Joe
Norman Wells
2019-09-29 09:54:36 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?

Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.

And if you're interested in the costing of such proposals:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/may/02/diane-abbotts-error-filled-lbc-interview-on-police-funding-video
Ian Jackson
2019-09-29 10:38:45 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
The 40 hospitals are simply the latest in Boris's growing list of
promises - or in case they never happen, might it not be better to call
them 'aspirations'?
Post by Norman Wells
Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.
There was also a lot not-to-like in Labour's list of 'aspirations'
(although some items were obviously plain daft).
--
Ian
abelard
2019-09-29 10:47:54 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:38:45 +0100, Ian Jackson
Post by Ian Jackson
There was also a lot not-to-like in Labour's list of 'aspirations'
(although some items were obviously plain daft).
they are indeed, as usual, plain daft...

however,you should realise that fnl actually intend to
introduce their plain daft proposals...as socialist
regimes have around the world...

with the obvious costs in poverty and dictatorship that invariably
follow
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Keema's Nan
2019-09-29 11:20:33 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
The 40 hospitals are simply the latest in Boris's growing list of
promises - or in case they never happen, might it not be better to call
them 'aspirations'?
A bit like renationalising water, national grid, railways maybe?
Post by Ian Jackson
Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.
There was also a lot not-to-like in Labour's list of 'aspirations'
(although some items were obviously plain daft).
Joe
2019-09-29 13:02:58 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:38:45 +0100
Post by Ian Jackson
The 40 hospitals are simply the latest in Boris's growing list of
promises - or in case they never happen, might it not be better to
call them 'aspirations'?
No, 'aspirations' is already taken, it's the trade union euphemism for
'greed', as in 'my members' natural aspirations'.
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Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
2019-09-29 10:48:36 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/may/02/diane-abbotts-error-filled-lbc-interview-on-police-funding-video
Yes indeed, how right you are. Obviously Dianne Abbott is paying way
over the odds for these police.

What with all the savings from the Brexit closures that have occurred
and less need to import all those luxury items like food now that the
pound has plummetted, there is loads of money available as Boris has
found.

Abbott might just have been looking in the wrong place for the cash.
Boris has not only rendered May's magic money tree a total work of
fiction, he has found a magic money forest, the like of which dwarfs
the Amazon into insignificance.

Eat your heart out Abbott, the new Tory left has you beaten hands
down.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/25/boris-johnson-wants-recruit-20000-extra-police-officers-10463236/

Now do I hear 40000 anyone ?

What I fingd impossible to comprehend is how anyone bothers to even
quote Boris. His ramblings are an insult to anyones intelligence.

AB
Keema's Nan
2019-09-29 11:26:30 UTC
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Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/may/02/diane-abbotts-error-f
illed-lbc-interview-on-police-funding-video
Yes indeed, how right you are. Obviously Dianne Abbott is paying way
over the odds for these police.
What with all the savings from the Brexit closures that have occurred
and less need to import all those luxury items like food now that the
pound has plummetted, there is loads of money available as Boris has
found.
Abbott might just have been looking in the wrong place for the cash.
Boris has not only rendered May's magic money tree a total work of
fiction, he has found a magic money forest, the like of which dwarfs
the Amazon into insignificance.
Eat your heart out Abbott, the new Tory left has you beaten hands
down.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/25/boris-johnson-wants-recruit-20000-extra-police-
officers-10463236/
Now do I hear 40000 anyone ?
Easy. Just threaten all hand car wash crooks and their slave
labour/prostitution illegals with deportation back to E Europe; or join the
police force as pen pushers on minimum wage.

That way, the real plod are free to do some proper policing.
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
What I fingd impossible to comprehend is how anyone bothers to even
quote Boris.
And yet you manage to post links to his quotations.
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
His ramblings are an insult to anyones intelligence.
AB
Incubus
2019-09-30 09:17:50 UTC
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Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/may/02/diane-abbotts-error-filled-lbc-interview-on-police-funding-video
Yes indeed, how right you are. Obviously Dianne Abbott is paying way
over the odds for these police.
What with all the savings from the Brexit closures that have occurred
and less need to import all those luxury items like food now that the
pound has plummetted, there is loads of money available as Boris has
found.
Abbott might just have been looking in the wrong place for the cash.
Boris has not only rendered May's magic money tree a total work of
fiction, he has found a magic money forest, the like of which dwarfs
the Amazon into insignificance.
Eat your heart out Abbott, the new Tory left has you beaten hands
down.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/25/boris-johnson-wants-recruit-20000-extra-police-officers-10463236/
Now do I hear 40000 anyone ?
What I fingd impossible to comprehend is how anyone bothers to even
quote Boris. His ramblings are an insult to anyones intelligence.
Take heart - there are a number of ukpm posters who clearly have no reason to
be offended.
Dave Plowman (News)
2019-09-29 13:13:57 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
I‘m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the ”pledges• being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
Nothing. If it were true.

It is actually 6 new or refurbished during the next parliament - if Boris
wins outright, which is unlikely.
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AlexK
2019-09-29 19:22:59 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Norman Wells
I'm interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the "pledges. being
made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
Nothing. If it were true.
It is actually 6 new or refurbished during the next parliament - if Boris
wins outright, which is unlikely.
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non
Tory MPs who are prepared to support doing that.
Cursitor Doom
2019-09-29 19:47:20 UTC
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Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel, but he
won't do that 'cos he's a closet remainer following the same playbook as
May.
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Joe
2019-09-29 20:05:52 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel, but
he won't do that 'cos he's a closet remainer following the same
playbook as May.
As I've said before, if we're not out, cleanly, before the next
election then the Conservative party will be able to save 650 deposits,
and in the one after, and the one after that... and the Leave vote will
no longer be split.
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AlexK
2019-09-29 20:51:28 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
Post by Cursitor Doom
but he won't do that 'cos he's a closet remainer
He wouldn’t be so gung ho for brexit and no extension if he was.
Post by Cursitor Doom
following the same playbook as May.
He isnt after BRINO because he knows that wont get thru parliament.
Norman Wells
2019-09-29 21:58:33 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.
AlexK
2019-09-29 22:35:36 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.
Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD. While the SNP is also unambiguously
remain, they only have any chance of getting a seat in scotland
and have managed to get almost all of those seats and isnt
under any real threat from the LD there in any of those seats.

Certain some Labour voters wouldn’t be seen dead
voting for the LD, but that’s not splitting the remain
vote, those will mostly just not vote for any party.
Peeler
2019-09-29 22:46:48 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 08:35:36 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.
Its not going to be split
LOL This senile idiot is simply unbelievable!
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Norman Wells
2019-09-30 08:09:28 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.
Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.
How does that stop the Remain vote being split?

Here's the current state of the parties:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-intention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-

Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..
AlexK
2019-09-30 08:39:12 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.
Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.
How does that stop the Remain vote being split?
Revoking Article 50 is the only way to stay in the EU now.
Post by Norman Wells
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-intention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-
Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..
Those never turn into seats in parliament as even you
should be able to see by looking at the state of the
parties just prior to the last general election and then
checking the number of seats each party actually got.

In the case of UKIP, NOT ONE.
Peeler
2019-09-30 09:29:18 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:39:12 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

<FLUSH Australian asshole's trollshit>

Yeah, keep teaching those stupid Brits how things REALLY are in the UK, you
anomalous senile Australian asshole! <tsk>
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Norman Wells
2019-09-30 11:53:57 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.
Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.
How does that stop the Remain vote being split?
Revoking Article 50 is the only way to stay in the EU now.
So, you're saying that all Labour voters will now switch to the LibDems?
Or what?
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-intention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-
Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..
Those never turn into seats in parliament as even you
should be able to see by looking at the state of the
parties just prior to the last general election and then
checking the number of seats each party actually got.
In the case of UKIP, NOT ONE.
It depends how the voters are grouped together geographically. UKIP
suffered from the same disadvantage that the LIbDems always have, namely
that their support is pretty evenly spread over the whole of the UK. If
you want to maximise the number of MPs you get in relation to the
overall popular for your party, you have to concentrate your voters like
the Scot Nats obviously do in Scotland, and like Labour do in deprived
inner cities.
Joe
2019-09-30 12:44:38 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Its not going to be split that much given that the only major
party that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore
the referendum result is the LD.
That was also the case at the last G.E., when both Labour and
Conservative parties ran on 'implement the referendum' manifestos.

How many seats did the LibDems get?
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AlexK
2019-09-30 19:10:28 UTC
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Post by Joe
Post by AlexK
Its not going to be split that much given that the only
major party that is unambiguously going to revoke
Article 50 and ignore the referendum result is the LD.
That was also the case at the last G.E., when both Labour and
Conservative parties ran on 'implement the referendum' manifestos.
So did the LD.
Post by Joe
How many seats did the LibDems get?
It was different then with then with them with the
same policy on brexit as Labour and the Tories.
Peeler
2019-09-30 19:45:17 UTC
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On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 05:10:28 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
Post by AlexK
Post by Joe
How many seats did the LibDems get?
It was different then
NOBODY asked you ANYTHING, senile Ozzie pest!
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AlexK
2019-09-30 18:34:37 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.
Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.
How does that stop the Remain vote being split?
Revoking Article 50 is the only way to stay in the EU now.
So, you're saying that all Labour voters will now switch to the LibDems?
Nope, I said more than once that few Labour voters will vote
LD on that issue. They are much more likely to not vote at all.
Post by Norman Wells
Or what?
What.
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-intention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-
Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..
Those never turn into seats in parliament as even you
should be able to see by looking at the state of the
parties just prior to the last general election and then
checking the number of seats each party actually got.
In the case of UKIP, NOT ONE.
It depends how the voters are grouped together geographically.
Yes, that’s just one of the reasons voting intention polls never produce
anything like the same result with seats in a general election.
Post by Norman Wells
UKIP suffered from the same disadvantage that the LIbDems always have,
namely that their support is pretty evenly spread over the whole of the
UK.
So that voting intention poll is useless to determine
a general election result as we have seen so clearly
in the last 3 general elections.
Post by Norman Wells
If you want to maximise the number of MPs you get in relation to the
overall popular for your party, you have to concentrate your voters like
the Scot Nats obviously do in Scotland, and like Labour do in deprived
inner cities.
But it isnt possible to do that in practice except with the SNP.

There just arent enough deprived inner city constituencies
anymore for that to deliver a majority in parliament. In
spades when Labour has been hijacked by the Trots and
Marxists so that those who were prepared to vote for them
when Blair was driving that bus, won't do with Corbyn now.
Norman Wells
2019-09-30 18:54:33 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.
Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.
How does that stop the Remain vote being split?
Revoking Article 50 is the only way to stay in the EU now.
So, you're saying that all Labour voters will now switch to the LibDems?
Nope, I said more than once that few Labour voters will vote
LD on that issue. They are much more likely to not vote at all.
Why do you think that wouldn't be even better for the Tories?
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-intention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-
Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..
Those never turn into seats in parliament as even you
should be able to see by looking at the state of the
parties just prior to the last general election and then
checking the number of seats each party actually got.
In the case of UKIP, NOT ONE.
It depends how the voters are grouped together geographically.
Yes, that’s just one of the reasons voting intention polls never produce
anything like the same result with seats in a general election.
They do actually.
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
UKIP suffered from the same disadvantage that the LIbDems always have,
namely that their support is pretty evenly spread over the whole of
the UK.
So that voting intention poll is useless to determine
a general election result as we have seen so clearly
in the last 3 general elections.
I think the pollsters know their business rather better than you do.
AlexK
2019-09-30 20:02:04 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.
Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.
How does that stop the Remain vote being split?
Revoking Article 50 is the only way to stay in the EU now.
So, you're saying that all Labour voters will now switch to the LibDems?
Nope, I said more than once that few Labour voters will vote
LD on that issue. They are much more likely to not vote at all.
Why do you think that wouldn't be even better for the Tories?
Because something like half the Tory voters are remainers.
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-intention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-
Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..
Those never turn into seats in parliament as even you
should be able to see by looking at the state of the
parties just prior to the last general election and then
checking the number of seats each party actually got.
In the case of UKIP, NOT ONE.
It depends how the voters are grouped together geographically.
Yes, that’s just one of the reasons voting intention polls never produce
anything like the same result with seats in a general election.
They do actually.
Like hell they do. If they did, the last THREE general elections
wouldn’t have produced such a surprising result seat wise.
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
UKIP suffered from the same disadvantage that the LIbDems always have,
namely that their support is pretty evenly spread over the whole of the
UK.
So that voting intention poll is useless to determine
a general election result as we have seen so clearly
in the last 3 general elections.
I think the pollsters know their business rather better than you do.
They clearly don’t given how useless the polls were in determining
the seats each party ended up with in the general elections. Or more
strictly they know their business quite well, but there isnt any way
to actually get a useful indication of which party will get which
seat with just 1000 in the whole country being polled and something
like half of those not actually bothering to vote, so their voting
intention is completely irrelevant because they don’t actually vote.
Peeler
2019-09-30 20:06:01 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
I think the pollsters know their business rather better than you do.
They clearly don’t
He STILL doesn't understand that YOU know EVERYTHING better ...ALWAYS ...and
I mean REALLY always, you idiotic "expert" in EVERYTHING!
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The Natural Philosopher
2019-10-01 07:15:16 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Because something like half the Tory voters are remainers.
I think not.
Last data I looked at was less than 30%
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AlexK
2019-10-01 09:08:48 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Because something like half the Tory voters are remainers.
I think not.
Last data I looked at was less than 30%
So who do you claim they were voting for before the referendum ?
Peeler
2019-10-01 10:20:23 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
I think not.
Last data I looked at was less than 30%
So who do you claim they were voting for before the referendum ?
I claim that you are an obnoxious trolling senile pest, senile Rodent!
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The Natural Philosopher
2019-10-01 12:46:57 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Because something like half the Tory voters are remainers.
I think not.
Last data I looked at was less than 30%
So who do you claim they were voting for before the referendum ?
Tories of course.

The popular tory electorate vote pre referendum was about 70/30 in
favour of leave. With a lot starting to leak to UKIP
Thats WHY Cameron held it.
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conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

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AlexK
2019-10-01 18:44:16 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Because something like half the Tory voters are remainers.
I think not.
Last data I looked at was less than 30%
So who do you claim they were voting for before the referendum ?
Tories of course.
I meant which party do you believe the remainers were voting
for before the referendum.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
The popular tory electorate vote pre referendum was about 70/30 in favour
of leave.
So half the UK who were remainers must have been voting
for some other party if that number you provided is accurate.
They clearly can't have voted for the LD given the result the
LD got in May's election. Unlikely they voted Labour in
enough numbers to counteract that ratio you are claiming
for the Tories.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
With a lot starting to leak to UKIP
Clearly not all that many given that UKIP only got about 10%
of the vote in Cameron's last election.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Thats WHY Cameron held it.
He says otherwise in his BBC doco. Sure, it wouldn’t be the
first time some polly has put a spin on what they did in
retrospect, but it's more likely that he wanted to shut up
his own Tory MPs who were campaigning for brexit even
tho he denies that too, now.
Peeler
2019-10-01 19:06:51 UTC
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Post by AlexK
I meant
No sane person gives a shit what you meant or didn't mean, senile troll from
Oz!
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AlexK
2019-10-01 21:20:16 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Because something like half the Tory voters are remainers.
I think not.
Last data I looked at was less than 30%
So who do you claim they were voting for before the referendum ?
Tories of course.
I meant which party do you believe the remainers were voting
for before the referendum.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
The popular tory electorate vote pre referendum was about 70/30 in favour
of leave.
So half the UK who were remainers must have been voting
for some other party if that number you provided is accurate.
They clearly can't have voted for the LD given the result the
LD got in May's election. Unlikely they voted Labour in
enough numbers to counteract that ratio you are claiming
for the Tories.
Or putting it a bit more clearly, given that Labour and the Tories
got 84% of the vote in May's election just after the referendum,
if your ratio is correct, Labour would have to have something
like 30/70 the other way given that the country is roughly 50/50
And SNP+LD was only 10%
Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
With a lot starting to leak to UKIP
Clearly not all that many given that UKIP only got about 10%
of the vote in Cameron's last election.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Thats WHY Cameron held it.
He says otherwise in his BBC doco. Sure, it wouldn’t be the
first time some polly has put a spin on what they did in
retrospect, but it's more likely that he wanted to shut up
his own Tory MPs who were campaigning for brexit even
tho he denies that too, now.
Peeler
2019-10-01 21:30:47 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 07:20:16 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
Post by AlexK
Or putting it a bit more clearly
To put it even more clearly, you lonely senile idiot are so desperate for
feedbacks (which are getting fewer and fewer every day) that you keep giving
yourself feedbacks!
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Joe
2019-10-02 07:25:22 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 07:20:16 +1000
Post by AlexK
Or putting it a bit more clearly, given that Labour and the Tories
got 84% of the vote in May's election just after the referendum,
if your ratio is correct, Labour would have to have something
like 30/70 the other way given that the country is roughly 50/50
And SNP+LD was only 10%
That seems reasonable. People who favour big government will be more
likely to vote Labour than Conservative. There are still a lot of
conservative voters, even if there isn't a conservative party.
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AlexK
2019-10-02 07:45:46 UTC
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Post by Peeler
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 07:20:16 +1000
Post by AlexK
Or putting it a bit more clearly, given that Labour and the Tories
got 84% of the vote in May's election just after the referendum,
if your ratio is correct, Labour would have to have something
like 30/70 the other way given that the country is roughly 50/50
And SNP+LD was only 10%
That seems reasonable.
But isnt accurate which shows that the claim that
70% of Tory voters are leavers can't be correct.
Post by Peeler
People who favour big government will be
more likely to vote Labour than Conservative.
Not now that Labour has been hijacked by the Trots and Marxists.
Post by Peeler
There are still a lot of conservative voters,
even if there isn't a conservative party.
Who arent going to be voting Labour now that
has been hijacked by the Trots and Marxists.

That's one of the reasons that Labour is doing
so badly in the polls now.
Peeler
2019-10-02 07:56:55 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 17:45:46 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
Post by AlexK
Who arent going to be voting Labour now that
has been hijacked by the Trots and Marxists.
That's one of the reasons that Labour is doing
so badly in the polls now.
It's ALL none of yours, you abnormal senile trolling Ozzie pest!
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Incubus
2019-10-02 08:45:19 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Because something like half the Tory voters are remainers.
I think not.
Last data I looked at was less than 30%
So who do you claim they were voting for before the referendum ?
Tories of course.
I meant which party do you believe the remainers were voting
for before the referendum.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
The popular tory electorate vote pre referendum was about 70/30 in favour
of leave.
So half the UK who were remainers must have been voting
for some other party if that number you provided is accurate.
They clearly can't have voted for the LD given the result the
LD got in May's election. Unlikely they voted Labour in
enough numbers to counteract that ratio you are claiming
for the Tories.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
With a lot starting to leak to UKIP
Clearly not all that many given that UKIP only got about 10%
of the vote in Cameron's last election.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Thats WHY Cameron held it.
He says otherwise in his BBC doco. Sure, it wouldn’t be the
first time some polly has put a spin on what they did in
retrospect, but it's more likely that he wanted to shut up
his own Tory MPs who were campaigning for brexit even
tho he denies that too, now.
It was a combination of appeasing his backbenchers and stopping UKIP from
splitting the vote, in my view.

His biography makes a few things clear and I have lost some respect for him.
AlexK
2019-10-02 09:35:24 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Because something like half the Tory voters are remainers.
I think not.
Last data I looked at was less than 30%
So who do you claim they were voting for before the referendum ?
Tories of course.
I meant which party do you believe the remainers were voting
for before the referendum.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
The popular tory electorate vote pre referendum was about 70/30 in favour
of leave.
So half the UK who were remainers must have been voting
for some other party if that number you provided is accurate.
They clearly can't have voted for the LD given the result the
LD got in May's election. Unlikely they voted Labour in
enough numbers to counteract that ratio you are claiming
for the Tories.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
With a lot starting to leak to UKIP
Clearly not all that many given that UKIP only got about 10%
of the vote in Cameron's last election.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Thats WHY Cameron held it.
He says otherwise in his BBC doco. Sure, it wouldn’t be the
first time some polly has put a spin on what they did in
retrospect, but it's more likely that he wanted to shut up
his own Tory MPs who were campaigning for brexit even
tho he denies that too, now.
It was a combination of appeasing his backbenchers
and stopping UKIP from splitting the vote, in my view.
Why would the referendum result he expected, the remainers in
the majority, stop UKIP from splitting any general election vote ?
Post by Incubus
His biography makes a few things clear and I have lost some respect for him.
I never respect any politician.
Peeler
2019-10-02 10:00:45 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 19:35:24 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
Post by AlexK
I never respect
From what I've seen, NOBODY respects YOU! Neither in real life nor online!
Heck, they even dedicated a website to your obnoxiousness!
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Incubus
2019-10-02 10:33:37 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Because something like half the Tory voters are remainers.
I think not.
Last data I looked at was less than 30%
So who do you claim they were voting for before the referendum ?
Tories of course.
I meant which party do you believe the remainers were voting
for before the referendum.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
The popular tory electorate vote pre referendum was about 70/30 in favour
of leave.
So half the UK who were remainers must have been voting
for some other party if that number you provided is accurate.
They clearly can't have voted for the LD given the result the
LD got in May's election. Unlikely they voted Labour in
enough numbers to counteract that ratio you are claiming
for the Tories.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
With a lot starting to leak to UKIP
Clearly not all that many given that UKIP only got about 10%
of the vote in Cameron's last election.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Thats WHY Cameron held it.
He says otherwise in his BBC doco. Sure, it wouldn’t be the
first time some polly has put a spin on what they did in
retrospect, but it's more likely that he wanted to shut up
his own Tory MPs who were campaigning for brexit even
tho he denies that too, now.
It was a combination of appeasing his backbenchers
and stopping UKIP from splitting the vote, in my view.
Why would the referendum result he expected, the remainers in
the majority, stop UKIP from splitting any general election vote ?
Holding the referendum stopped UKIP from splitting the vote and won him the
election with a comfortable majority. That part worked. The part that didn't
work was his gamble that the result would be to remain.
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
His biography makes a few things clear and I have lost some respect for him.
I never respect any politician.
Probably wise but there are some who transcend the petty sniping and
self-interest that most of them seem to indulge in.
AlexK
2019-10-02 16:12:27 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Because something like half the Tory voters are remainers.
I think not.
Last data I looked at was less than 30%
So who do you claim they were voting for before the referendum ?
Tories of course.
I meant which party do you believe the remainers were voting
for before the referendum.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
The popular tory electorate vote pre referendum was about 70/30 in favour
of leave.
So half the UK who were remainers must have been voting
for some other party if that number you provided is accurate.
They clearly can't have voted for the LD given the result the
LD got in May's election. Unlikely they voted Labour in
enough numbers to counteract that ratio you are claiming
for the Tories.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
With a lot starting to leak to UKIP
Clearly not all that many given that UKIP only got about 10%
of the vote in Cameron's last election.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Thats WHY Cameron held it.
He says otherwise in his BBC doco. Sure, it wouldn’t be the
first time some polly has put a spin on what they did in
retrospect, but it's more likely that he wanted to shut up
his own Tory MPs who were campaigning for brexit even
tho he denies that too, now.
It was a combination of appeasing his backbenchers
and stopping UKIP from splitting the vote, in my view.
Why would the referendum result he expected, the remainers in
the majority, stop UKIP from splitting any general election vote ?
Holding the referendum stopped UKIP from splitting the vote
But that wasn’t the referendum result he expected to get and
so couldn’t have been the reason he had the referendum.
Post by Incubus
and won him the election with a comfortable majority.
That election of his was before the referendum.
Post by Incubus
That part worked.
Clearly it didn’t for May.
Post by Incubus
The part that didn't work was his gamble
that the result would be to remain.
And the referendum result he expected wouldn’t
have avoided splitting the vote with UKIP.
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
His biography makes a few things clear
and I have lost some respect for him.
I never respect any politician.
Not even Churchill or Thatcher. Churchill fucked
up lots of stuff, particularly returning to the gold
standard at the wrong price and with his opposition
to independence of the colonies continuing for
long after the result with those was inevitable.

Thatcher had some very good policies, but fucked
up very spectacularly with the poll tax.
Post by Incubus
Probably wise but there are some who transcend the petty
sniping and self-interest that most of them seem to indulge in.
Sure, but what matters is their policies.

Cameron did have the balls to have a couple of referendums
although for the wrong reason with the brexit referendum.
And had the decency to quit when he rightly decided that
it should be a remainer who is PM implementing brexit.
Incubus
2019-10-02 16:25:53 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Because something like half the Tory voters are remainers.
I think not.
Last data I looked at was less than 30%
So who do you claim they were voting for before the referendum ?
Tories of course.
I meant which party do you believe the remainers were voting
for before the referendum.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
The popular tory electorate vote pre referendum was about 70/30 in favour
of leave.
So half the UK who were remainers must have been voting
for some other party if that number you provided is accurate.
They clearly can't have voted for the LD given the result the
LD got in May's election. Unlikely they voted Labour in
enough numbers to counteract that ratio you are claiming
for the Tories.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
With a lot starting to leak to UKIP
Clearly not all that many given that UKIP only got about 10%
of the vote in Cameron's last election.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Thats WHY Cameron held it.
He says otherwise in his BBC doco. Sure, it wouldn’t be the
first time some polly has put a spin on what they did in
retrospect, but it's more likely that he wanted to shut up
his own Tory MPs who were campaigning for brexit even
tho he denies that too, now.
It was a combination of appeasing his backbenchers
and stopping UKIP from splitting the vote, in my view.
Why would the referendum result he expected, the remainers in
the majority, stop UKIP from splitting any general election vote ?
Holding the referendum stopped UKIP from splitting the vote
But that wasn’t the referendum result he expected to get and
so couldn’t have been the reason he had the referendum.
I'm not talking about the result, I'm talking about the campaign promise to
hold a referendum on EU membership.
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
and won him the election with a comfortable majority.
That election of his was before the referendum.
The promise to hold a referendum was a major feature of his manifesto.
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
That part worked.
Clearly it didn’t for May.
The situation was quite different for May. He campaign was terrible.
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
The part that didn't work was his gamble
that the result would be to remain.
And the referendum result he expected wouldn’t
have avoided splitting the vote with UKIP.
He would have had another five years to worry about that.
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
His biography makes a few things clear
and I have lost some respect for him.
I never respect any politician.
Not even Churchill or Thatcher. Churchill fucked
up lots of stuff, particularly returning to the gold
standard at the wrong price and with his opposition
to independence of the colonies continuing for
long after the result with those was inevitable.
Thatcher had some very good policies, but fucked
up very spectacularly with the poll tax.
What you call the Poll Tax was much fairer. Laughably, people still refer to
it as a "service charge". Why should some people be charged more for services
just because their houses are more desirable?
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Probably wise but there are some who transcend the petty
sniping and self-interest that most of them seem to indulge in.
Sure, but what matters is their policies.
Cameron did have the balls to have a couple of referendums
although for the wrong reason with the brexit referendum.
What would have been the right reason?
Post by AlexK
And had the decency to quit when he rightly decided that
it should be a remainer who is PM implementing brexit.
He was a Remainer PM. He suddenly lost the desire to carry out his promise to
respect the result. I don't think decency figures much in that.
Dave Plowman (News)
2019-10-02 17:13:00 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Thatcher had some very good policies, but fucked
up very spectacularly with the poll tax.
What you call the Poll Tax was much fairer. Laughably, people still
refer to it as a "service charge". Why should some people be charged
more for services just because their houses are more desirable?
You missed the whole point of the poll tax. To shift taxation from the
better off to the poorer. Pretty well standard Tory policy at any one
point in time.
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Tim Lamb
2019-10-02 18:16:23 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Thatcher had some very good policies, but fucked
up very spectacularly with the poll tax.
What you call the Poll Tax was much fairer. Laughably, people still
refer to it as a "service charge". Why should some people be charged
more for services just because their houses are more desirable?
You missed the whole point of the poll tax. To shift taxation from the
better off to the poorer. Pretty well standard Tory policy at any one
point in time.
That may have been an effect but I think part of the benefit was to link
local service costs to users.
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Incubus
2019-10-03 08:42:46 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Thatcher had some very good policies, but fucked
up very spectacularly with the poll tax.
What you call the Poll Tax was much fairer. Laughably, people still
refer to it as a "service charge". Why should some people be charged
more for services just because their houses are more desirable?
You missed the whole point of the poll tax. To shift taxation from the
better off to the poorer. Pretty well standard Tory policy at any one
point in time.
The rates were unfair to begin with. Any unfair taxation that the
Conservatives reform is dismissed by Socialists as shifting the burden
onto the poor.
AlexK
2019-10-02 17:45:20 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Because something like half the Tory voters are remainers.
I think not.
Last data I looked at was less than 30%
So who do you claim they were voting for before the referendum ?
Tories of course.
I meant which party do you believe the remainers were voting
for before the referendum.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
The popular tory electorate vote pre referendum was about 70/30 in favour
of leave.
So half the UK who were remainers must have been voting
for some other party if that number you provided is accurate.
They clearly can't have voted for the LD given the result the
LD got in May's election. Unlikely they voted Labour in
enough numbers to counteract that ratio you are claiming
for the Tories.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
With a lot starting to leak to UKIP
Clearly not all that many given that UKIP only got about 10%
of the vote in Cameron's last election.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Thats WHY Cameron held it.
He says otherwise in his BBC doco. Sure, it wouldn’t be the
first time some polly has put a spin on what they did in
retrospect, but it's more likely that he wanted to shut up
his own Tory MPs who were campaigning for brexit even
tho he denies that too, now.
It was a combination of appeasing his backbenchers
and stopping UKIP from splitting the vote, in my view.
Why would the referendum result he expected, the remainers in
the majority, stop UKIP from splitting any general election vote ?
Holding the referendum stopped UKIP from splitting the vote
But that wasn’t the referendum result he expected to get and
so couldn’t have been the reason he had the referendum.
I'm not talking about the result, I'm talking about the campaign
promise to hold a referendum on EU membership.
That clearly didn’t stop UKIP getting 13% of the vote.
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
and won him the election with a comfortable majority.
That election of his was before the referendum.
The promise to hold a referendum was a major feature of his manifesto.
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
That part worked.
Clearly it didn’t for May.
The situation was quite different for May. He campaign was terrible.
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
The part that didn't work was his gamble
that the result would be to remain.
And the referendum result he expected wouldn’t
have avoided splitting the vote with UKIP.
He would have had another five years to worry about that.
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
His biography makes a few things clear
and I have lost some respect for him.
I never respect any politician.
Not even Churchill or Thatcher. Churchill fucked
up lots of stuff, particularly returning to the gold
standard at the wrong price and with his opposition
to independence of the colonies continuing for
long after the result with those was inevitable.
Thatcher had some very good policies, but fucked
up very spectacularly with the poll tax.
What you call the Poll Tax was much fairer.
But on the nose with the voters, essentially because
the change was used to hike the total amount collected
and works very badly with kids leaving school before
they have a job that pays that tax.
Post by Incubus
Laughably, people still refer to it as a "service charge".
Why should some people be charged more for services
just because their houses are more desirable?
It also discourages those from remaining in a
massive highly valued house by themselves.
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Probably wise but there are some who transcend the petty
sniping and self-interest that most of them seem to indulge in.
Sure, but what matters is their policies.
Cameron did have the balls to have a couple of referendums
although for the wrong reason with the brexit referendum.
What would have been the right reason?
To let the voters say what they wanted to happen.
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
And had the decency to quit when he rightly decided that
it should be a remainer who is PM implementing brexit.
He was a Remainer PM. He suddenly lost the desire
to carry out his promise to respect the result. I don't
think decency figures much in that.
I do. No remainer can do a good job of brexit.
Peeler
2019-10-02 19:17:05 UTC
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On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 03:45:20 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

03:45 in Australia? AGAIN? And you've been up and trolling for OVER TWO
HOURS, yet again? Do you know no shame AT ALL, you abnormal 85-year-old
trolling senile pest?
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Grik-barstardo®™
2019-10-02 19:22:27 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 21:17:05 +0200, Foreskin Peeler
<***@valid.invalid> wrote:

<fluhs Grik skata>

Hypocritical much, anus?
Peeler
2019-10-02 20:15:51 UTC
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bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Grik-barstardo®™", farted
Post by Grik-barstardo®™
<fluhs Grik skata>
Hypocritical much, anus?
Clinically insane much, Razovic? LOL
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Mark
2019-10-03 08:03:16 UTC
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On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 03:45:20 +1000, "AlexK" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
--snip--
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Laughably, people still refer to it as a "service charge".
Why should some people be charged more for services
just because their houses are more desirable?
It also discourages those from remaining in a
massive highly valued house by themselves.
No. The Poll Tax was applied to individuals IIRC, so may discourage
the poor having somewhere to live.
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
He was a Remainer PM. He suddenly lost the desire
to carry out his promise to respect the result. I don't
think decency figures much in that.
I do. No remainer can do a good job of brexit.
No-one can do a good job for Brexit. It's impossible.
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dennis@home
2019-10-03 11:30:39 UTC
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Post by Mark
--snip--
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Laughably, people still refer to it as a "service charge".
Why should some people be charged more for services
just because their houses are more desirable?
It also discourages those from remaining in a
massive highly valued house by themselves.
No. The Poll Tax was applied to individuals IIRC, so may discourage
the poor having somewhere to live.
That was actually rubbish.

When the poll tax was introduced the government included discounts for
the poor and increased benefits to cover the added cost.
However many councils decide that it was the perfect opportunity to
increase spending.
Our Labour council increased spending by about 20% and put the burden on
the poll tax so even the poor had to pay a lot more. They used the
excuse that they wouldn't be able to collect the tax from many as it was
more difficult than taxing a house.
Of course this was rubbish and they collected the tax and spent it on
stupid things like new council offices.
Incubus
2019-10-03 08:49:01 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Because something like half the Tory voters are remainers.
I think not.
Last data I looked at was less than 30%
So who do you claim they were voting for before the referendum ?
Tories of course.
I meant which party do you believe the remainers were voting
for before the referendum.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
The popular tory electorate vote pre referendum was about 70/30 in favour
of leave.
So half the UK who were remainers must have been voting
for some other party if that number you provided is accurate.
They clearly can't have voted for the LD given the result the
LD got in May's election. Unlikely they voted Labour in
enough numbers to counteract that ratio you are claiming
for the Tories.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
With a lot starting to leak to UKIP
Clearly not all that many given that UKIP only got about 10%
of the vote in Cameron's last election.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Thats WHY Cameron held it.
He says otherwise in his BBC doco. Sure, it wouldn’t be the
first time some polly has put a spin on what they did in
retrospect, but it's more likely that he wanted to shut up
his own Tory MPs who were campaigning for brexit even
tho he denies that too, now.
It was a combination of appeasing his backbenchers
and stopping UKIP from splitting the vote, in my view.
Why would the referendum result he expected, the remainers in
the majority, stop UKIP from splitting any general election vote ?
Holding the referendum stopped UKIP from splitting the vote
But that wasn’t the referendum result he expected to get and
so couldn’t have been the reason he had the referendum.
I'm not talking about the result, I'm talking about the campaign
promise to hold a referendum on EU membership.
That clearly didn’t stop UKIP getting 13% of the vote.
Nevertheless, it reduced the UKIP vote sufficiently to return a Conservative
majority.
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
I never respect any politician.
Not even Churchill or Thatcher. Churchill fucked
up lots of stuff, particularly returning to the gold
standard at the wrong price and with his opposition
to independence of the colonies continuing for
long after the result with those was inevitable.
Thatcher had some very good policies, but fucked
up very spectacularly with the poll tax.
What you call the Poll Tax was much fairer.
But on the nose with the voters, essentially because
the change was used to hike the total amount collected
and works very badly with kids leaving school before
they have a job that pays that tax.
Those weren't the complaints at the time.
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Laughably, people still refer to it as a "service charge".
Why should some people be charged more for services
just because their houses are more desirable?
It also discourages those from remaining in a
massive highly valued house by themselves.
If they are paying for that house, why shouldn't they? When a policy was put
in place to free up social housing, Leftists complained and called it the
"Bedroom Tax".
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Probably wise but there are some who transcend the petty
sniping and self-interest that most of them seem to indulge in.
Sure, but what matters is their policies.
Cameron did have the balls to have a couple of referendums
although for the wrong reason with the brexit referendum.
What would have been the right reason?
To let the voters say what they wanted to happen.
Indeed, and such was his claim. I never did put it down to him wanting the
issue resolved once and for all except to shut UKIP and his backbenchers up for
a term or two.
Post by AlexK
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
And had the decency to quit when he rightly decided that
it should be a remainer who is PM implementing brexit.
He was a Remainer PM. He suddenly lost the desire
to carry out his promise to respect the result. I don't
think decency figures much in that.
I do. No remainer can do a good job of brexit.
That's a fair point. Fortunately, we have a Leaver PM now.
abelard
2019-10-02 21:18:48 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Thatcher had some very good policies, but fucked
up very spectacularly with the poll tax.
What you call the Poll Tax was much fairer. Laughably, people still refer to
it as a "service charge". Why should some people be charged more for services
just because their houses are more desirable?
politically the tax was an outstanding success...

it is the prime reason we never had pillock as pm
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2019-10-02 16:29:30 UTC
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2019-10-02 16:39:48 UTC
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<***@valid.invalid> wrote:

<fluhs Grik skata>

Hypocritical much, anus?
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Hypocritical much, anus?
Clinically insane much, pedophilic dreckserb? OBVIOUSLY! LOL
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Joe
2019-10-02 20:25:26 UTC
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On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 02:12:27 +1000
Post by AlexK
And had the decency to quit when he rightly decided that
it should be a remainer who is PM implementing brexit.
He did promise to stay and implement the result, whatever it was.

But you can't trust politicians.
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AlexK
2019-10-02 22:00:16 UTC
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Post by Peeler
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 02:12:27 +1000
Post by AlexK
And had the decency to quit when he rightly decided that
it shouldn't be a remainer who is PM implementing brexit.
He did promise to stay and implement the result, whatever it was.
He never promised to stay.
Post by Peeler
But you can't trust politicians.
Peeler
2019-10-02 22:54:43 UTC
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On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 08:00:16 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
Post by AlexK
Post by Joe
He did promise to stay and implement the result, whatever it was.
He never promised to stay.
Yeah, keep teaching those Brits how things REALLY were and are in Britain,
you cretinous senile troll from Oz! <tsk>
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Joe
2019-10-03 07:59:10 UTC
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On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 08:00:16 +1000
Post by AlexK
Post by Peeler
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 02:12:27 +1000
Post by AlexK
And had the decency to quit when he rightly decided that
it shouldn't be a remainer who is PM implementing brexit.
He did promise to stay and implement the result, whatever it was.
He never promised to stay.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-david-cameron-resign-step-down-boris-johnson-brexit-stay-as-prime-minister-result-poll-a7088811.html

'Asked whether he could stay in his post in the event of Brexit, he
replied: “Yes. I think it's very important that the individual careers
of individual politicians don't get caught up in this question.

“It won't be a verdict on me, whatever the outcome is. It's a verdict
on the question, but I do care a lot about the question.”'
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Incubus
2019-10-03 09:04:36 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Post by Peeler
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 02:12:27 +1000
Post by AlexK
And had the decency to quit when he rightly decided that
it shouldn't be a remainer who is PM implementing brexit.
He did promise to stay and implement the result, whatever it was.
He never promised to stay.
Yes he did.

"And ultimately it will be the judgment of the British people in the
referendum that I promised and that I will deliver."

From his Chatham House speech.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-ministers-speech-on-europe
abelard
2019-10-03 11:01:03 UTC
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On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 09:04:36 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by Peeler
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 02:12:27 +1000
Post by AlexK
And had the decency to quit when he rightly decided that
it shouldn't be a remainer who is PM implementing brexit.
He did promise to stay and implement the result, whatever it was.
He never promised to stay.
Yes he did.
"And ultimately it will be the judgment of the British people in the
referendum that I promised and that I will deliver."
'the referendum i promised and that i will deliver'...
he delivered the referendum
Post by Incubus
From his Chatham House speech.
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-ministers-speech-on-europe
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Incubus
2019-10-03 11:11:24 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 09:04:36 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
Post by Incubus
Post by AlexK
Post by Peeler
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 02:12:27 +1000
Post by AlexK
And had the decency to quit when he rightly decided that
it shouldn't be a remainer who is PM implementing brexit.
He did promise to stay and implement the result, whatever it was.
He never promised to stay.
Yes he did.
"And ultimately it will be the judgment of the British people in the
referendum that I promised and that I will deliver."
'the referendum i promised and that i will deliver'...
he delivered the referendum
It depends on whether you read the subject of "I will deliver" to be the
referendum or the judgement of the British people.
Post by abelard
Post by Incubus
From his Chatham House speech.
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-ministers-speech-on-europe
Dave Plowman (News)
2019-10-01 09:53:48 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by AlexK
Because something like half the Tory voters are remainers.
I think not.
Last data I looked at was less than 30%
Suddenly, such polls are accurate. ;-)
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Keema's Nan
2019-10-01 14:03:20 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who
are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.
Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.
How does that stop the Remain vote being split?
Revoking Article 50 is the only way to stay in the EU now.
So, you're saying that all Labour voters will now switch to the LibDems?
Nope, I said more than once that few Labour voters will vote
LD on that issue. They are much more likely to not vote at all.
Why do you think that wouldn't be even better for the Tories?
Because something like half the Tory voters are remainers.
Yeah right.

You just forgot to give the link to your research.

This is not Twitter, where you can make up ant fantasy and then post it as
fact.

Hit us with the evidence, student-boy....
Keema's Nan
2019-09-30 19:27:00 UTC
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Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.
Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.
How does that stop the Remain vote being split?
Revoking Article 50 is the only way to stay in the EU now.
So, you're saying that all Labour voters will now switch to the LibDems?
Nope, I said more than once that few Labour voters will vote
LD on that issue. They are much more likely to not vote at all.
Post by Norman Wells
Or what?
What.
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-in
tention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-
Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..
Those never turn into seats in parliament as even you
should be able to see by looking at the state of the
parties just prior to the last general election and then
checking the number of seats each party actually got.
In the case of UKIP, NOT ONE.
It depends how the voters are grouped together geographically.
Yes, that’s just one of the reasons voting intention polls never produce
anything like the same result with seats in a general election.
Post by Norman Wells
UKIP suffered from the same disadvantage that the LIbDems always have,
namely that their support is pretty evenly spread over the whole of the
UK.
So that voting intention poll is useless to determine
a general election result as we have seen so clearly
in the last 3 general elections.
Phew! That is very convenient for you, because if you put the latest poll
into the predictor, the Tories come out with a majority of 200 seats.

Thank goodness we can ignore that figure and look forward to a hung
parliament with Corbyn having the majority of seats......
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
If you want to maximise the number of MPs you get in relation to the
overall popular for your party, you have to concentrate your voters like
the Scot Nats obviously do in Scotland, and like Labour do in deprived
inner cities.
But it isnt possible to do that in practice except with the SNP.
There just arent enough deprived inner city constituencies
anymore for that to deliver a majority in parliament. In
spades when Labour has been hijacked by the Trots and
Marxists so that those who were prepared to vote for them
when Blair was driving that bus, won't do with Corbyn now.
Keema's Nan
2019-09-30 19:31:04 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.
Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.
How does that stop the Remain vote being split?
Revoking Article 50 is the only way to stay in the EU now.
So, you're saying that all Labour voters will now switch to the LibDems?
Nope, I said more than once that few Labour voters will vote
LD on that issue. They are much more likely to not vote at all.
Post by Norman Wells
Or what?
What.
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-i
n
tention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-
Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..
Those never turn into seats in parliament as even you
should be able to see by looking at the state of the
parties just prior to the last general election and then
checking the number of seats each party actually got.
In the case of UKIP, NOT ONE.
It depends how the voters are grouped together geographically.
Yes, that’s just one of the reasons voting intention polls never produce
anything like the same result with seats in a general election.
Post by Norman Wells
UKIP suffered from the same disadvantage that the LIbDems always have,
namely that their support is pretty evenly spread over the whole of the
UK.
So that voting intention poll is useless to determine
a general election result as we have seen so clearly
in the last 3 general elections.
Phew! That is very convenient for you, because if you put the latest poll
into the predictor, the Tories come out with a majority of 200 seats.
Sorry, somewhat misleading - that should read a majority of 200 seats over
Labour.
Post by Keema's Nan
Thank goodness we can ignore that figure and look forward to a hung
parliament with Corbyn having the majority of seats......
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
If you want to maximise the number of MPs you get in relation to the
overall popular for your party, you have to concentrate your voters like
the Scot Nats obviously do in Scotland, and like Labour do in deprived
inner cities.
But it isnt possible to do that in practice except with the SNP.
There just arent enough deprived inner city constituencies
anymore for that to deliver a majority in parliament. In
spades when Labour has been hijacked by the Trots and
Marxists so that those who were prepared to vote for them
when Blair was driving that bus, won't do with Corbyn now.
AlexK
2019-09-30 20:10:26 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory
MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with
Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.
Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.
How does that stop the Remain vote being split?
Revoking Article 50 is the only way to stay in the EU now.
So, you're saying that all Labour voters will now switch to the LibDems?
Nope, I said more than once that few Labour voters will vote
LD on that issue. They are much more likely to not vote at all.
Post by Norman Wells
Or what?
What.
Post by Norman Wells
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-in
tention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-
Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..
Those never turn into seats in parliament as even you
should be able to see by looking at the state of the
parties just prior to the last general election and then
checking the number of seats each party actually got.
In the case of UKIP, NOT ONE.
It depends how the voters are grouped together geographically.
Yes, that’s just one of the reasons voting intention polls never produce
anything like the same result with seats in a general election.
Post by Norman Wells
UKIP suffered from the same disadvantage that the LIbDems always have,
namely that their support is pretty evenly spread over the whole of the
UK.
So that voting intention poll is useless to determine
a general election result as we have seen so clearly
in the last 3 general elections.
Phew! That is very convenient for you, because if you put the latest poll
into the predictor, the Tories come out with a majority of 200 seats.
And that wont actually be the result in the general election,
even if it is held as late as is legally possible and Boris
somehow manages to con the EU into say agreeing to
the same deal that Canada has managed to get.
Post by Keema's Nan
Thank goodness we can ignore that figure and look forward to a hung
parliament with Corbyn having the majority of seats......
There is no way that Corbyn will have anything even remotely
like the majority of seats give that the UK voter has ever ever
been into voting for the Trots and Marxists. The closest they
ever got was with the Atlee govt that was nothing even
remotely like the Trots and Marxists and even then, he
only got the one term and then the voters decided that
he had gone far too far down the nationalising route
and went back to the Tories again.

Yes, the voters can be quite fickle at times as can be seen
when the dumped the LDs very comprehensively in the
second general election that Cameron had, but there is
no way that Corbyn will ever get anything like the majority
of seats now.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by AlexK
Post by Norman Wells
If you want to maximise the number of MPs you get in relation to the
overall popular for your party, you have to concentrate your voters like
the Scot Nats obviously do in Scotland, and like Labour do in deprived
inner cities.
But it isnt possible to do that in practice except with the SNP.
There just arent enough deprived inner city constituencies
anymore for that to deliver a majority in parliament. In
spades when Labour has been hijacked by the Trots and
Marxists so that those who were prepared to vote for them
when Blair was driving that bus, won't do with Corbyn now.
Peeler
2019-09-30 20:22:51 UTC
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On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 06:10:26 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

<FLUSH the abnormal "all-knowing" trolling senile Australian asshole's
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2019-09-30 19:46:29 UTC
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On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 04:34:37 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
Post by Norman Wells
So, you're saying that all Labour voters will now switch to the LibDems?
Nope
LOL Did you just get one of your miserable tiny senile online orgasms again,
you clinically insane auto-contradicting senile asshole?
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Peeler
2019-09-29 22:22:02 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 06:51:28 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,
I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.
You'll auto-contradict in ANY direction, even if it contradicts what you
said in another place, eh, you clinically insane senile asshole from Oz? LOL
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Cursitor Doom
2019-09-29 23:28:37 UTC
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Post by AlexK
He wouldn’t be so gung ho for brexit and no extension if he was.
He's not gung ho for Brexit; he's gung ho for saving the Tory Party. The
Party knows it'll be FINISHED if they don't get us out at the end of
October so their *primary* duty and sole interest at present is to save
the Party.
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AlexK
2019-09-29 23:40:44 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by AlexK
He wouldn’t be so gung ho for brexit and no extension if he was.
He's not gung ho for Brexit;
Bullshit.
Post by Cursitor Doom
he's gung ho for saving the Tory Party.
Its doing fine, doesn’t need saving. In spades
given that the Trots have hijacked Labour now.
Post by Cursitor Doom
The Party knows it'll be FINISHED if they
don't get us out at the end of October
That’s bullshit. No major party is ever
finished over a single issue like that.
Post by Cursitor Doom
so their *primary* duty and sole interest
at present is to save the Party.
Fantasy.
Peeler
2019-09-30 07:35:29 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:40:44 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
Post by AlexK
Post by Cursitor Doom
He's not gung ho for Brexit;
Bullshit.
That one word would make the perfect nym for you, senile bullshit artist!
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2019-09-29 20:06:57 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 05:22:59 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
Post by AlexK
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
It is actually 6 new or refurbished during the next parliament - if Boris
wins outright, which is unlikely.
Doesn't
LOL Auto-contradicting senile asshole!
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michael adams
2019-09-29 13:45:49 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like
Building hospitals is the easy bit.

Its finding the doctors and nurses to staff them, that's the hard bit.

Whether the "hostile environment" which will have been created as a
result of Brexit will be a great help in that regard is of course another
matter,

I wonder if anyone asked Boris about that ?


michael adams

...
The Natural Philosopher
2019-09-29 14:00:46 UTC
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Post by michael adams
Whether the "hostile environment" which will have been created as a
result of Brexit will be a great help in that regard is of course another
matter,
Well remain should not have created it should they?
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dennis@home
2019-09-29 16:34:41 UTC
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Post by michael adams
Post by Norman Wells
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like
Building hospitals is the easy bit.
Its finding the doctors and nurses to staff them, that's the hard bit.
No its not you just close five or six smaller hospitals in the area and
move them to the new one.
michael adams
2019-09-30 09:46:37 UTC
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Post by michael adams
Post by Norman Wells
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like
Building hospitals is the easy bit.
Its finding the doctors and nurses to staff them, that's the hard bit.
No its not you just close five or six smaller hospitals in the area and move them to
the new one.
Oh really ?

As of Sep 2018 the NHS was short of 41,722 nurses. milarly,
there were 11,576 vacancies for doctors across the NHS

If you don'r believe me simply Google "11,576 vacancies"
for pages of links.

Altogether at the end of June the NHS had 107,743 unfilled posts

None of which has been helped by uncertainty over visas Post Brexit


michael adams

...
Roger
2019-09-29 19:31:17 UTC
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Post by michael adams
Post by Norman Wells
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like
Building hospitals is the easy bit.
Its finding the doctors and nurses to staff them, that's the hard bit.
Interestingly, Labour state:

"The next Labour government will reverse privatization of our NHS and return our health service into expert public control."


And a (private) manager essentially stated that it would be impossible for the state to undertake all the employees that are now outsourced.
abelard
2019-09-29 20:04:38 UTC
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Post by Roger
Post by michael adams
Post by Norman Wells
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like
Building hospitals is the easy bit.
Its finding the doctors and nurses to staff them, that's the hard bit.
"The next Labour government will reverse privatization of our NHS and return our health service into expert public control."
And a (private) manager essentially stated that it would be impossible for the state to undertake all the employees that are now outsourced.
the fnl never nationalised the 'doctors'...they bought them off...
https://www.abelard.org/socialism/labour-party-did-not-start-nhs.php
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m***@btopenworld.com
2019-09-29 10:24:39 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.
I am more interested in Labour pledges which are not costed and indeed are impossible to cost.

Pledges which involve the sequestration/stealing of private assets such as independent schools 'reforms' to inheritance tax which redirect more of the assets of the deceased to the state, Inhibitions to be placed upon land/asset transfers within families. Attitudes to Corporation tax and corporate taxation in particular.
JNugent
2019-09-29 11:57:58 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
Cole *thinks*?

Are you sure?
Mark Devon
2019-09-29 16:43:43 UTC
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((Cole *thinks*?

Are you sure?))

Clearly more than you are even capable of.
JNugent
2019-09-29 22:35:08 UTC
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Post by Mark Devon
((Cole *thinks*?
Are you sure?))
Clearly more than you are even capable of.
As usual, you are too late with your attempt at a playground insult.
Brian Gaff
2019-09-30 07:50:50 UTC
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One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock ups.
Brian
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I've got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?
Tim Lamb
2019-09-30 08:08:17 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock ups.
Brian
More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.
The idea of Boris being managed by *friends of Mogg* offends even my
robust sensibilities!
--
Tim Lamb
AlexK
2019-09-30 08:35:59 UTC
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Post by Tim Lamb
Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock ups.
Brian
More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during the
Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.
The idea of Boris being managed by *friends of Mogg* offends even my
robust sensibilities!
Bet that will see the Tories pouring from their windows
like lemmings as soon as they read your post.
Peeler
2019-09-30 09:33:29 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:35:59 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
Post by AlexK
Bet that will see
Bet that we will see you trolling before 31 October, on 31 October and after
31 October like there was no tomorrow, you anomalous 85-year-old trolling
senile Australian asshole!
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charles
2019-09-30 09:16:37 UTC
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Post by Tim Lamb
Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock
ups. Brian
More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.
Indeed, so. our contituency voted remain, but our MP voted leave.
--
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abelard
2019-09-30 09:40:13 UTC
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Post by charles
Post by Tim Lamb
Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock
ups. Brian
More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.
Indeed, so. our contituency voted remain, but our MP voted leave.
is 'your' constituency more important than the country?

which one is so's people can check on your claim
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Tim Lamb
2019-09-30 11:39:44 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by charles
Post by Tim Lamb
Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock
ups. Brian
More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.
Indeed, so. our contituency voted remain, but our MP voted leave.
is 'your' constituency more important than the country?
which one is so's people can check on your claim
Hitchin/Harpenden and St. Albans
--
Tim Lamb
Mark
2019-10-02 14:26:19 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by charles
Post by Tim Lamb
Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock
ups. Brian
More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.
Indeed, so. our contituency voted remain, but our MP voted leave.
is 'your' constituency more important than the country?
MP's are supposed to represent their constituents.
--
Little Britain leaves. Great Britain stays.
abelard
2019-10-02 17:06:48 UTC
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On Wed, 02 Oct 2019 15:26:19 +0100, Mark
Post by Mark
Post by abelard
Post by charles
Post by Tim Lamb
Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock
ups. Brian
More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.
Indeed, so. our contituency voted remain, but our MP voted leave.
is 'your' constituency more important than the country?
MP's are supposed to represent their constituents.
not to the detriment of the nation
--
www.abelard.org
The Natural Philosopher
2019-10-03 05:03:06 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Wed, 02 Oct 2019 15:26:19 +0100, Mark
Post by Mark
Post by abelard
Post by charles
Post by Tim Lamb
Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock
ups. Brian
More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.
Indeed, so. our contituency voted remain, but our MP voted leave.
is 'your' constituency more important than the country?
MP's are supposed to represent their constituents.
not to the detriment of the nation
But who decides what that is, when a Noble Cause becomes a corrupt
politicians excuse for keeping his snout in a trough?
--
“when things get difficult you just have to lie”

― Jean Claud Jüncker
abelard
2019-10-03 08:42:11 UTC
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On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 06:03:06 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
On Wed, 02 Oct 2019 15:26:19 +0100, Mark
Post by Mark
Post by abelard
Post by charles
Post by Tim Lamb
Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock
ups. Brian
More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.
Indeed, so. our contituency voted remain, but our MP voted leave.
is 'your' constituency more important than the country?
MP's are supposed to represent their constituents.
not to the detriment of the nation
But who decides what that is, when a Noble Cause becomes a corrupt
politicians excuse for keeping his snout in a trough?
the people decide in elections
--
www.abelard.org
Mark
2019-10-03 08:06:01 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Wed, 02 Oct 2019 15:26:19 +0100, Mark
Post by Mark
Post by abelard
Post by charles
Post by Tim Lamb
Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock
ups. Brian
More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.
Indeed, so. our contituency voted remain, but our MP voted leave.
is 'your' constituency more important than the country?
MP's are supposed to represent their constituents.
not to the detriment of the nation
Then they should all oppose Brexit.
--
Little Britain leaves. Great Britain stays.
abelard
2019-10-03 08:41:30 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 03 Oct 2019 09:06:01 +0100, Mark
Post by Mark
Post by abelard
On Wed, 02 Oct 2019 15:26:19 +0100, Mark
Post by Mark
Post by abelard
Post by charles
Post by Tim Lamb
Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock
ups. Brian
More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.
Indeed, so. our contituency voted remain, but our MP voted leave.
is 'your' constituency more important than the country?
MP's are supposed to represent their constituents.
not to the detriment of the nation
Then they should all oppose Brexit.
yours is a minority opinion...and this pretends to be a democracy
--
www.abelard.org
Mark
2019-10-03 09:30:58 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Thu, 03 Oct 2019 09:06:01 +0100, Mark
Post by Mark
Post by abelard
On Wed, 02 Oct 2019 15:26:19 +0100, Mark
Post by Mark
Post by abelard
Post by charles
Post by Tim Lamb
Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock
ups. Brian
More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.
Indeed, so. our contituency voted remain, but our MP voted leave.
is 'your' constituency more important than the country?
MP's are supposed to represent their constituents.
not to the detriment of the nation
Then they should all oppose Brexit.
yours is a minority opinion...and this pretends to be a democracy
Wrong. Check the polls.

Although I agree with your comment about "this pretends to be a
democracy".
--
Little Britain leaves. Great Britain stays.
abelard
2019-10-03 10:58:24 UTC
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On Thu, 03 Oct 2019 10:30:58 +0100, Mark
Post by Mark
Post by abelard
On Thu, 03 Oct 2019 09:06:01 +0100, Mark
Post by Mark
Post by abelard
On Wed, 02 Oct 2019 15:26:19 +0100, Mark
Post by Mark
Post by abelard
Post by charles
Post by Tim Lamb
Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock
ups. Brian
More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.
Indeed, so. our contituency voted remain, but our MP voted leave.
is 'your' constituency more important than the country?
MP's are supposed to represent their constituents.
not to the detriment of the nation
Then they should all oppose Brexit.
yours is a minority opinion...and this pretends to be a democracy
Wrong. Check the polls.
what for..frigged samples are not elections
Post by Mark
Although I agree with your comment about "this pretends to be a
democracy".
aspirational dear boy

socialism has yet to perfect humanity despite the numbers
they have murdered and continue to murder as they try
--
www.abelard.org
dennis@home
2019-10-03 11:41:13 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Thu, 03 Oct 2019 09:06:01 +0100, Mark
Post by Mark
Post by abelard
On Wed, 02 Oct 2019 15:26:19 +0100, Mark
Post by Mark
Post by abelard
Post by charles
Post by Tim Lamb
Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock
ups. Brian
More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.
Indeed, so. our contituency voted remain, but our MP voted leave.
is 'your' constituency more important than the country?
MP's are supposed to represent their constituents.
not to the detriment of the nation
Then they should all oppose Brexit.
yours is a minority opinion...and this pretends to be a democracy
Leave is also a minority opinion.

Rod Speed
2019-09-29 08:45:44 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference
against a backdrop of self-created pure chaos,
It’s the parliament that has created what chaos
there is by trying to force Boris to ask for an
extension and ignore the referendum result.
Post by Stephen Cole
Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13
Billion quid on building 40 new hospitals,
Because there is a real possibility of a general election, stupid.
Post by Stephen Cole
doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days.
Clearly that one is costed, stupid.
Post by Stephen Cole
Now, I’ve got a genuine question for any Tory voters
reading; do you actually believe these promises
Corse they do if the Torys are still the govt.
Post by Stephen Cole
or do you see them for the naked distractions
Clearly not a distraction, naked or clothed.
Post by Stephen Cole
and lies they clearly are?
Bet it does happen if the Torys do continue to be the govt.
Post by Stephen Cole
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Because the alternatives are worse, stupid.
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
2019-09-29 08:59:39 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:45:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference
against a backdrop of self-created pure chaos,
It’s the parliament that has created what chaos
there is by trying to force Boris to ask for an
extension and ignore the referendum result.
Post by Stephen Cole
Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13
Billion quid on building 40 new hospitals,
Because there is a real possibility of a general election, stupid.
Post by Stephen Cole
doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days.
Clearly that one is costed, stupid.
Post by Stephen Cole
Now, I’ve got a genuine question for any Tory voters
reading; do you actually believe these promises
Corse they do if the Torys are still the govt.
Post by Stephen Cole
or do you see them for the naked distractions
Clearly not a distraction, naked or clothed.
Post by Stephen Cole
and lies they clearly are?
Bet it does happen if the Torys do continue to be the govt.
Post by Stephen Cole
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Because the alternatives are worse, stupid.
When is the truth a worse alternative to a pack of lies?

AB
Rod Speed
2019-09-29 09:53:18 UTC
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Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:45:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference
against a backdrop of self-created pure chaos,
It's the parliament that has created what chaos
there is by trying to force Boris to ask for an
extension and ignore the referendum result.
Post by Stephen Cole
Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13
Billion quid on building 40 new hospitals,
Because there is a real possibility of a general election, stupid.
Post by Stephen Cole
doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days.
Clearly that one is costed, stupid.
Post by Stephen Cole
Now, I've got a genuine question for any Tory voters
reading; do you actually believe these promises
Corse they do if the Torys are still the govt.
Post by Stephen Cole
or do you see them for the naked distractions
Clearly not a distraction, naked or clothed.
Post by Stephen Cole
and lies they clearly are?
Bet it does happen if the Torys do continue to be the govt.
Post by Stephen Cole
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Because the alternatives are worse, stupid.
When is the truth a worse alternative to a pack of lies?
You wouldn't know what the truth was if it bit your bog trotter arse.
Peeler
2019-09-29 10:30:19 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:53:18 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
When is the truth a worse alternative to a pack of lies?
You wouldn't know what the truth was if it bit your bog trotter arse.
The truth here is that you ARE nothing but a trolling piece of shit!
--
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cretin from Oz:
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Peeler
2019-09-29 10:27:35 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:45:44 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Stephen Cole
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Because the alternatives are worse, stupid.
Nobody asked YOU anything, you trolling piece of senile Ozzie shit! <tsk>
--
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"You have mentioned Alexa in a couple of threads recently, it is not a real
woman you know even if it is the only thing with a Female name that stays
around around while you talk it to it.
Poor sad git who has to resort to Usenet and electronic devices for any
interaction as all real people run a mile to get away from from you boring
them to death."
MID: <***@mid.individual.net>
dennis@home
2019-09-29 09:02:02 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Don't forget they have already pledge a load of money for hospitals so
this is just going to be the same money not extra money.
newshound
2019-09-29 23:06:07 UTC
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Post by ***@home
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Don't forget they have already pledge a load of money for hospitals so
this is just going to be the same money not extra money.
Also the first nuclear fusion power station

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/27/boris-johnson-announces-funding-worlds-first-nuclear-fusion/
Tim Lamb
2019-09-30 07:46:55 UTC
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Post by newshound
Post by ***@home
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Don't forget they have already pledge a load of money for hospitals
so this is just going to be the same money not extra money.
Also the first nuclear fusion power station
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/27/boris-johnson-announces-
funding-worlds-first-nuclear-fusion/
Flap flap, oink oink!
--
Tim Lamb
Stephen Cole
2019-09-30 07:13:30 UTC
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Post by ***@home
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Don't forget they have already pledge a load of money for hospitals so
this is just going to be the same money not extra money.
The whole story fell to pieces since starting this thread; it’s six
hospitals, not 40, and that includes refurbs, already announced as you say.
If this is the best they can manage to launch their election campaign, the
Tories are doomed.
--
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Rod Speed
2019-09-30 08:15:04 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by ***@home
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
Don't forget they have already pledge a load of money for hospitals so
this is just going to be the same money not extra money.
The whole story fell to pieces since starting this thread;
it’s six hospitals, not 40, and that includes refurbs, already
announced as you say. If this is the best they can manage
to launch their election campaign, the Tories are doomed.
That’s bullshit given how pathetic the alternatives are
and the fact that they have announced other stuff too.
Peeler
2019-09-30 09:34:12 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:15:04 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
That’s bullshit given
Nope, just more trollshit on your part, you senile asshole troll from Oz!
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Dave Plowman (News)
2019-09-30 13:53:26 UTC
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Post by ***@home
Don't forget they have already pledge a load of money for hospitals so
this is just going to be the same money not extra money.
The whole story fell to pieces since starting this thread; it‘s six
hospitals, not 40, and that includes refurbs, already announced as you
say. If this is the best they can manage to launch their election
campaign, the Tories are doomed.
And if you actually saw the state of St Helier, Carshalton, it says a
great deal about the Tory priorities over the last few years.
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abelard
2019-09-29 09:51:23 UTC
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On 29 Sep 2019 07:17:52 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
as with every marxist, you have not a clue concerning the relationship
between politics and money...
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Roger
2019-09-29 10:54:58 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days.
I believe them just as much as any pledge I hear.....such as those at the Labour conference last week ;-)

I would note, however, that against the tendency in the western world, the UK government has more or less balanced the books, so a government could overspend without getting anywhere near the debt situation of it's peers.
Michael Chare
2019-09-29 13:37:21 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?
He is in no position to ensure that this will happen due to the lack of
a majority in the House of Commons and he may well not be PM for much
longer for other reasons. Presumably everyone knows this. What will
happen after a general election is hard to say.
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