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Incubus
2020-01-14 09:57:17 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.

"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."

Read the entire article here:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
Dan S. MacAbre
2020-01-14 10:22:01 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
Has that little turd not skulked off into obscurity yet? Who the hell
is keeping the guardian going anyway? They are the real fifth-columnists.
Keema's Nan
2020-01-14 10:44:20 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-suss
ex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
Has that little turd not skulked off into obscurity yet? Who the hell
is keeping the guardian going anyway?
MI5
They are the real fifth-columnists.
Incubus
2020-01-14 11:45:06 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
Has that little turd not skulked off into obscurity yet? Who the hell
is keeping the guardian going anyway? They are the real fifth-columnists.
Yep. They are churning out so many awful articles recently, no wonder the
paper itself is in debt. How can they pay their "journalists" for endlessly
spewing their opinion pieces masquerading as news?

The part that I quoted wasn't even the best part of the article, now that I
think about it.
Dan S. MacAbre
2020-01-14 11:55:02 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
Has that little turd not skulked off into obscurity yet? Who the hell
is keeping the guardian going anyway? They are the real fifth-columnists.
Yep. They are churning out so many awful articles recently, no wonder the
paper itself is in debt. How can they pay their "journalists" for endlessly
spewing their opinion pieces masquerading as news?
'An investment company that runs a failing newspaper for a hobby,' was
how I once saw it described.

Presumably, for their contributors, the imagined virtue in having
opprobrium heaped up them is its own reward.
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The part that I quoted wasn't even the best part of the article, now that I
think about it.
Ophelia
2020-01-14 15:30:18 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
Has that little turd not skulked off into obscurity yet? Who the hell
is keeping the guardian going anyway? They are the real fifth-columnists.
Yep. They are churning out so many awful articles recently, no wonder the
paper itself is in debt. How can they pay their "journalists" for endlessly
spewing their opinion pieces masquerading as news?

The part that I quoted wasn't even the best part of the article, now that I
think about it.

===

Probably why they are begging for contributions.
True Blue
2020-01-15 07:20:49 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
Has that little turd not skulked off into obscurity yet? Who the hell
is keeping the guardian going anyway? They are the real fifth-columnists.
The Class-of-'68, is how I describe them.

The Russell Trust has shored up their losses for the last twenty years. Although last year they actually made a profit. Bear in mind, that those losses were in spite of illicit funding from the BBC as the BBC's sole recipient of advertising funding for many years.
Incubus
2020-01-15 09:48:27 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
Has that little turd not skulked off into obscurity yet? Who the hell
is keeping the guardian going anyway? They are the real fifth-columnists.
The Class-of-'68, is how I describe them.
The Russell Trust has shored up their losses for the last twenty years. Although last year they actually made a profit. Bear in mind, that those losses were in spite of illicit funding from the BBC as the BBC's sole recipient of advertising funding for many years.
I understand that profit was from the investments made by the Trust, not from
the paper itself. The paper is still a loss-maker.
True Blue
2020-01-15 22:23:16 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
Has that little turd not skulked off into obscurity yet? Who the hell
is keeping the guardian going anyway? They are the real fifth-columnists.
The Class-of-'68, is how I describe them.
The Russell Trust has shored up their losses for the last twenty years. Although last year they actually made a profit. Bear in mind, that those losses were in spite of illicit funding from the BBC as the BBC's sole recipient of advertising funding for many years.
I understand that profit was from the investments made by the Trust, not from
the paper itself. The paper is still a loss-maker.
LOL - as you were. :-)

Keema's Nan
2020-01-14 10:38:28 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-sussex
-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
I don’t think she has been hounded out, but has done what most married
women do - make sure she gets her own way.
Dan S. MacAbre
2020-01-14 10:58:40 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-sussex
-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
I don’t think she has been hounded out, but has done what most married
women do - make sure she gets her own way.
Exactly - she hasn't been hounded out at all, simply flounced off like a
petulant prima donna. For the obnoxious Jones has to introduce 'woman
of colour' into the equation is reprehensible - she is so relatively
pale that if they didn't keep going on about it, I don't think anyone
would even give it a second thought. But of course, it suits those who
like to divide people up into groups to go on about it at every
opportunity. And why does he assume that the 'younger generation' all
believe exactly the same things? It is /he/ that is the 'culture
warrior' in this instance.
abelard
2020-01-14 11:31:17 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-sussex
-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
I don’t think she has been hounded out, but has done what most married
women do - make sure she gets her own way.
Exactly - she hasn't been hounded out at all, simply flounced off like a
petulant prima donna. For the obnoxious Jones has to introduce 'woman
of colour' into the equation is reprehensible - she is so relatively
pale that if they didn't keep going on about it, I don't think anyone
would even give it a second thought. But of course, it suits those who
like to divide people up into groups to go on about it at every
opportunity. And why does he assume that the 'younger generation' all
believe exactly the same things? It is /he/ that is the 'culture
warrior' in this instance.
they're both thick and he is cunt happy...

you don't analyse such behaviour, you just observe it
and trust the emotional storm will pass

even the kween appears to have that much sense

jones hasn't even the wit to get that far
--
www.abelard.org
Keema's Nan
2020-01-14 11:44:04 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-su
ssex
-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
I don’t think she has been hounded out, but has done what most married
women do - make sure she gets her own way.
Exactly - she hasn't been hounded out at all, simply flounced off like a
petulant prima donna. For the obnoxious Jones has to introduce 'woman
of colour' into the equation is reprehensible - she is so relatively
pale that if they didn't keep going on about it, I don't think anyone
would even give it a second thought. But of course, it suits those who
like to divide people up into groups to go on about it at every
opportunity. And why does he assume that the 'younger generation' all
believe exactly the same things? It is /he/ that is the 'culture
warrior' in this instance.
they're both thick and he is cunt happy...
I love that phrase ‘cunt happy’. One for the memory banks.
Post by abelard
you don't analyse such behaviour, you just observe it
and trust the emotional storm will pass
even the kween appears to have that much sense
jones hasn't even the wit to get that far
Keema's Nan
2020-01-14 11:42:50 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-sus
sex
-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
I don’t think she has been hounded out, but has done what most married
women do - make sure she gets her own way.
Exactly - she hasn't been hounded out at all, simply flounced off like a
petulant prima donna. For the obnoxious Jones has to introduce 'woman
of colour' into the equation is reprehensible - she is so relatively
pale that if they didn't keep going on about it, I don't think anyone
would even give it a second thought. But of course, it suits those who
like to divide people up into groups to go on about it at every
opportunity. And why does he assume that the 'younger generation' all
believe exactly the same things? It is /he/ that is the 'culture
warrior' in this instance.
Yes. Those kind of younger people want everyone to believe the same things.
They have brainwashed as many as they can into believing that having your own
individual opinion is the first step to ending up in a mental institution.

Now, they just keep reinforcing the prejudices by using terms such as
‘empowerment’ and ‘being true to yourself’.

I have never quite understood what they mean. When I was their age I learned
by my mistakes, but in the first instance I just did what I liked at the
time. I didn’t care if no one else was copying me. These days the
‘younger generation’ are told they mustn’t make any mistakes, but just
do exactly the same as all their social media ‘friends’.
Incubus
2020-01-14 12:07:54 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-sus
sex
-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
I don’t think she has been hounded out, but has done what most married
women do - make sure she gets her own way.
Exactly - she hasn't been hounded out at all, simply flounced off like a
petulant prima donna. For the obnoxious Jones has to introduce 'woman
of colour' into the equation is reprehensible - she is so relatively
pale that if they didn't keep going on about it, I don't think anyone
would even give it a second thought. But of course, it suits those who
like to divide people up into groups to go on about it at every
opportunity. And why does he assume that the 'younger generation' all
believe exactly the same things? It is /he/ that is the 'culture
warrior' in this instance.
Yes. Those kind of younger people want everyone to believe the same things.
They have brainwashed as many as they can into believing that having your own
individual opinion is the first step to ending up in a mental institution.
Now, they just keep reinforcing the prejudices by using terms such as
‘empowerment’ and ‘being true to yourself’.
I have never quite understood what they mean. When I was their age I learned
by my mistakes, but in the first instance I just did what I liked at the
time. I didn’t care if no one else was copying me. These days the
‘younger generation’ are told they mustn’t make any mistakes, but just
do exactly the same as all their social media ‘friends’.
I think Social Media plays a big part in that; so much is played out via Social
Media that mistakes can be very public, very costly and very long-lived. Once
you understand that, you can understand why some young people feel driven to
commit suicide when things don't go so well for them on-line.
Incubus
2020-01-14 12:05:24 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-sussex
-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
I don’t think she has been hounded out, but has done what most married
women do - make sure she gets her own way.
Exactly - she hasn't been hounded out at all, simply flounced off like a
petulant prima donna. For the obnoxious Jones has to introduce 'woman
of colour' into the equation is reprehensible - she is so relatively
pale that if they didn't keep going on about it, I don't think anyone
would even give it a second thought. But of course, it suits those who
like to divide people up into groups to go on about it at every
opportunity.
If Guardian hacks didn't whip up a frenzy of frothy emotional appeal at every
opportunity, they'd be out of work.
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
And why does he assume that the 'younger generation' all
believe exactly the same things? It is /he/ that is the 'culture
warrior' in this instance.
Modern Leftists like to think of themselves as down with the yoof, championing
the future generations and on the right side of history. Minor inconveniences
like the outcome of the referendum and a Conservative majority are seen as a
blip. It's like the captain of the pub football team that received a sound
thrashing yelling "You were lucky this time!".
Pamela
2020-01-14 14:24:52 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan's chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that
defines royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of
colour who epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that
are articles of faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly
suffered her punishment beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory
right now has a majority, is drunk on power: minorities and their
defenders are expected to get back in their box. But a younger
generation that passionately believes in such values is going nowhere
and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors know that,
and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-
duchess-of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
I don't think she has been hounded out, but has done what most
married women do - make sure she gets her own way.
Exactly - she hasn't been hounded out at all, simply flounced off like a
petulant prima donna. For the obnoxious Jones has to introduce 'woman
of colour' into the equation is reprehensible - she is so relatively
pale that if they didn't keep going on about it,
Skin colour apart, from certain angles Megham Markle looks African.
That's despite changing her appearance with cosmetic surgery on nose, lip
and teeth.
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
I don't think anyone
would even give it a second thought. But of course, it suits those who
like to divide people up into groups to go on about it at every
opportunity. And why does he assume that the 'younger generation' all
believe exactly the same things? It is /he/ that is the 'culture
warrior' in this instance.
Incubus
2020-01-14 12:01:52 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-sussex
-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
I don’t think she has been hounded out, but has done what most married
women do - make sure she gets her own way.
These articles are symptomatic of a constant battle between talking heads in
newspapers. Even if some of the articles written about Markle were racist in
nature (which I dispute), it doesn't mean that they are representative of the
British public. People like Owen Jones are quite disingenuous acting as though
the media reflects British society when he knows himself that it sees its role
as influencing public opinion. For those who can see through the media, it is
patently obvious that it is a self-absorbed bubble where columnists attack one
another from their pulpits thinking they are battling gross injustice. I
doubt it's anything remotely new as it reminds me of the war between newspapers
that played out as part of the plot of Dickens' "The Pickwick Papers".

Sadly, the usual Guardian readers who lap up everything the paper says can't
see the wood for the trees.
Pamela
2020-01-14 14:09:17 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that
defines royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of
colour who epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that
are articles of faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly
suffered her punishment beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory
right now has a majority, is drunk on power: minorities and their
defenders are expected to get back in their box. But a younger
generation that passionately believes in such values is going nowhere
and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors know that,
and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-
duchess-of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
I don’t think she has been hounded out, but has done what most
married women do - make sure she gets her own way.
These articles are symptomatic of a constant battle between talking
heads in newspapers. Even if some of the articles written about Markle
were racist in nature (which I dispute), it doesn't mean that they are
representative of the British public. People like Owen Jones are quite
disingenuous acting as though the media reflects British society when he
knows himself that it sees its role as influencing public opinion. For
those who can see through the media, it is patently obvious that it is a
self-absorbed bubble where columnists attack one another from their
pulpits thinking they are battling gross injustice. I doubt it's
anything remotely new as it reminds me of the war between newspapers
that played out as part of the plot of Dickens' "The Pickwick Papers".
Sadly, the usual Guardian readers who lap up everything the paper says
can't see the wood for the trees.
All very true. Not only the Guardian but other titles too, like the Mail.
Pamela
2020-01-14 14:17:58 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan's chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that
defines royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of
colour who epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that
are articles of faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly
suffered her punishment beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory
right now has a majority, is drunk on power: minorities and their
defenders are expected to get back in their box. But a younger
generation that passionately believes in such values is going nowhere
and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors know that,
and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-
of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
I agree with Owen Jones. He contends that the British public and media
don't like the alien values Meghan Markle wants to bring. Nothing wrong
with that. Our tradition is fine and we should be proud to maintain it.

Meghan and Owen Jones should accept she can't force her foreign
progressive values onto those who don't want them.

The fact Meghan has some non-European ancestry and then married into a
European royal family (which is by definition defined by its bloodline)
should have told her she can not be anything but an outsider.
John
2020-01-14 14:49:05 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan's chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that
defines royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of
colour who epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that
are articles of faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly
suffered her punishment beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory
right now has a majority, is drunk on power: minorities and their
defenders are expected to get back in their box. But a younger
generation that passionately believes in such values is going nowhere
and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors know that,
and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-
of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
I agree with Owen Jones. He contends that the British public and media
don't like the alien values Meghan Markle wants to bring. Nothing wrong
with that. Our tradition is fine and we should be proud to maintain it.
Meghan and Owen Jones should accept she can't force her foreign
progressive values onto those who don't want them.
The fact Meghan has some non-European ancestry and then married into a
European royal family (which is by definition defined by its bloodline)
should have told her she can not be anything but an outsider.
It could have been worse, even welsh.
Incubus
2020-01-14 15:20:43 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan's chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that
defines royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of
colour who epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that
are articles of faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly
suffered her punishment beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory
right now has a majority, is drunk on power: minorities and their
defenders are expected to get back in their box. But a younger
generation that passionately believes in such values is going nowhere
and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors know that,
and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-
of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
I agree with Owen Jones. He contends that the British public and media
don't like the alien values Meghan Markle wants to bring. Nothing wrong
with that. Our tradition is fine and we should be proud to maintain it.
He has a point about her values but that comes down to abusing her position as
a royal and is an aspect of her character and behaviour rather than anything to
do with race.
Post by Pamela
Meghan and Owen Jones should accept she can't force her foreign
progressive values onto those who don't want them.
The fact Meghan has some non-European ancestry and then married into a
European royal family (which is by definition defined by its bloodline)
should have told her she can not be anything but an outsider.
She wasn't expected to produce future kings or queens...
Keema's Nan
2020-01-14 15:45:35 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan's chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that
defines royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of
colour who epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that
are articles of faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly
suffered her punishment beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory
right now has a majority, is drunk on power: minorities and their
defenders are expected to get back in their box. But a younger
generation that passionately believes in such values is going nowhere
and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors know that,
and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-
of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
I agree with Owen Jones. He contends that the British public and media
don't like the alien values Meghan Markle wants to bring. Nothing wrong
with that. Our tradition is fine and we should be proud to maintain it.
Meghan and Owen Jones should accept she can't force her foreign
progressive values onto those who don't want them.
The fact Meghan has some non-European ancestry and then married into a
European royal family (which is by definition defined by its bloodline)
should have told her she can not be anything but an outsider.
I don’t think that is quite the scenario.

I have read in numerous articles, prior to this, that William (and to a
lesser extent Charles) was intending to introduce a much reformed and slimmed
down monarchy; and at the same time save a lot of money by selling off
unwanted properties which only remain because of the Queen’s
last-century-style reign.

The William version of the monarchy would be more akin to the Dutch example;
with much less pomp and formality and it is unlikely that Sandringham or
Balmoral would be required - something Her Maj would never countenance.

Therefore the tactful solution was to wait until Brenda had shuffled off to
meet her maker, therefore sparing her the horror of seeing her cosy world of
'Christmas here, Easter there, Summer Holiday up there, and ‘if it is xxx
day it must be raise the flag and/or troop the colour/flounce down the mile
course at Ascot’ dismantled before her very eyes.

However, here comes Meghan Markle with her laid back American ideas and gets
into Harry’s head with the ‘are you really going to wait for Liz and
maybe Charles to be 6ft under before you even think about reform?’ mantra.
I suppose her thinking is that with William’s three children ahead of him,
Harry becoming an annexe to the family is not going to cause too much of an
upheaval - except maybe to the Daily Mail, Daily Express and Gold Stick In
Waiting, but they ought to be able to cope with frequent cardiac arrests.
Pamela
2020-01-14 16:32:10 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan's chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that
defines royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of
colour who epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that
are articles of faith for so many younger Britons. She has
accordingly suffered her punishment beating. But a word of warning.
Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is drunk on power: minorities
and their defenders are expected to get back in their box. But a
younger generation that passionately believes in such values is going
nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-
of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
I agree with Owen Jones. He contends that the British public and media
don't like the alien values Meghan Markle wants to bring. Nothing wrong
with that. Our tradition is fine and we should be proud to maintain it.
Meghan and Owen Jones should accept she can't force her foreign
progressive values onto those who don't want them.
The fact Meghan has some non-European ancestry and then married into a
European royal family (which is by definition defined by its bloodline)
should have told her she can not be anything but an outsider.
I don’t think that is quite the scenario.
I have read in numerous articles, prior to this, that William (and to a
lesser extent Charles) was intending to introduce a much reformed and
slimmed down monarchy; and at the same time save a lot of money by
selling off unwanted properties which only remain because of the
Queen’s last-century-style reign.
The William version of the monarchy would be more akin to the Dutch
example; with much less pomp and formality and it is unlikely that
Sandringham or Balmoral would be required - something Her Maj would
never countenance.
Therefore the tactful solution was to wait until Brenda had shuffled off
to meet her maker, therefore sparing her the horror of seeing her cosy
world of 'Christmas here, Easter there, Summer Holiday up there, and
‘if it is xxx day it must be raise the flag and/or troop the
colour/flounce down the mile course at Ascot’ dismantled before her
very eyes.
However, here comes Meghan Markle with her laid back American ideas and
gets into Harry’s head with the ‘are you really going to wait for
Liz and maybe Charles to be 6ft under before you even think about
reform?’ mantra. I suppose her thinking is that with William’s three
children ahead of him, Harry becoming an annexe to the family is not
going to cause too much of an upheaval - except maybe to the Daily Mail,
Daily Express and Gold Stick In Waiting, but they ought to be able to
cope with frequent cardiac arrests.
So all the non-traditional behaviours are Harry and William's idea and
Markle's only involvement was to encourage their appearance more quickly?

I'm not so sure.

Markle lacks tradition and royal style. Rather than adopt these things,
she has been acting like an American teenager expecting everyone to
conform to her world view. The rift between her and Kate probably speaks
to this.
Keema's Nan
2020-01-14 17:16:21 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan's chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that
defines royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of
colour who epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that
are articles of faith for so many younger Britons. She has
accordingly suffered her punishment beating. But a word of warning.
Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is drunk on power: minorities
and their defenders are expected to get back in their box. But a
younger generation that passionately believes in such values is going
nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-
of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
I agree with Owen Jones. He contends that the British public and media
don't like the alien values Meghan Markle wants to bring. Nothing wrong
with that. Our tradition is fine and we should be proud to maintain it.
Meghan and Owen Jones should accept she can't force her foreign
progressive values onto those who don't want them.
The fact Meghan has some non-European ancestry and then married into a
European royal family (which is by definition defined by its bloodline)
should have told her she can not be anything but an outsider.
I don’t think that is quite the scenario.
I have read in numerous articles, prior to this, that William (and to a
lesser extent Charles) was intending to introduce a much reformed and
slimmed down monarchy; and at the same time save a lot of money by
selling off unwanted properties which only remain because of the
Queen’s last-century-style reign.
The William version of the monarchy would be more akin to the Dutch
example; with much less pomp and formality and it is unlikely that
Sandringham or Balmoral would be required - something Her Maj would
never countenance.
Therefore the tactful solution was to wait until Brenda had shuffled off
to meet her maker, therefore sparing her the horror of seeing her cosy
world of 'Christmas here, Easter there, Summer Holiday up there, and
‘if it is xxx day it must be raise the flag and/or troop the
colour/flounce down the mile course at Ascot’ dismantled before her
very eyes.
However, here comes Meghan Markle with her laid back American ideas and
gets into Harry’s head with the ‘are you really going to wait for
Liz and maybe Charles to be 6ft under before you even think about
reform?’ mantra. I suppose her thinking is that with William’s three
children ahead of him, Harry becoming an annexe to the family is not
going to cause too much of an upheaval - except maybe to the Daily Mail,
Daily Express and Gold Stick In Waiting, but they ought to be able to
cope with frequent cardiac arrests.
So all the non-traditional behaviours are Harry and William's idea and
Markle's only involvement was to encourage their appearance more quickly?
I believe so.
Post by Pamela
I'm not so sure.
That is not a problem, but we are not privy to their intimate conversations
and therefore it will be guesswork; mostly.
Post by Pamela
Markle lacks tradition and royal style. Rather than adopt these things,
she has been acting like an American teenager expecting everyone to
conform to her world view. The rift between her and Kate probably speaks
to this.
I detect a certain bias, which may be clouding your judgement.
CheeseySock
2020-01-15 01:05:35 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-
sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values

only if

a) you are some right-0n commie?

or

b) if you are a self hating white and have a desire for self
flagellation!
CheeseySock
2020-01-15 03:26:57 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-
of-
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sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
only if
a) you are some right-0n commie?
or
b) if you are a self hating white and have a desire for self
flagellation!
I was so upset the guardian refused to show me the text of their commie
brainwashing unless i "signed up for free"
True Blue
2020-01-15 07:22:00 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
Utterly pathetic. This "article" is the produce of a woke teenager.

To think that Guardian "members" turn out to auditoriums to drink from the font of knowledge that is Owen Jones, says a lot about the sort of entrenched Leftist dwarves that associate with the rag.
Incubus
2020-01-15 09:49:22 UTC
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Always good for a laugh.
"Meghan’s chief crime is not to share the wealth and opulence that defines
royal life, but to be deemed a fifth columnist: a woman of colour who
epitomises the encroachment of the progressive values that are articles of
faith for so many younger Britons. She has accordingly suffered her punishment
beating. But a word of warning. Yes, the Tory right now has a majority, is
drunk on power: minorities and their defenders are expected to get back in
their box. But a younger generation that passionately believes in such values
is going nowhere and, in the end, will win. Deep down, the culture warriors
know that, and it is that insecurity that drives their viciousness."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/13/meghan-duchess-of-sussex-hounded-out-media-progressive-values
Utterly pathetic. This "article" is the produce of a woke teenager.
To think that Guardian "members" turn out to auditoriums to drink from the font of knowledge that is Owen Jones, says a lot about the sort of entrenched Leftist dwarves that associate with the rag.
It does sound like something someone would produce for their GCSE coursework.
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