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I seem to recall a time when Catholics were against commieism....
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DoD
2019-02-04 19:44:39 UTC
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Pope Francis Calls on Chinese Bishops to Show 'Loyalty' to Civil Authorities

Pope Francis has called on Chinese bishops to show respect and loyalty to
the ruling Chinese Communist Party as faithful "members of the Chinese
people."
The Vatican newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, published an article Sunday in
Italian, English, and Chinese, saying that the pope has invited "all the
Bishops to renew their total adherence to Christ and to the Church."

At the same time, "as members of the Chinese people, they are obliged to
show respect and loyalty to the civil authorities."

The article stated that this is how the bishops are to understand the words
of Jesus: "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to
God the things that are God's" (Mt 22:21).

The state-run Chinese newspaper, Global Times, called the statement the
pontiff's "latest goodwill gesture toward Beijing."

Pope Francis "has called on seven Chinese bishops, whose pastoral duties
were made public on Sunday, to show 'respect and loyalty to civil
authorities' while adhering to their faith," the article stated.

"The announcement shows that the Vatican is calling on all the clergy and
the faithful, including those who regard themselves as from the 'underground
churches,' to be in solidarity and to support the bishops' pastoral duties,"
said Wang Meixiu, a research fellow at the Chinese Academy of Social
Sciences, according to the Global Times.

The former bishop of Hong Kong, Cardinal Joseph Zen, told Breitbart News in
an interview last week that Catholics in China are suffering "huge
confusion" because of the recent deal between the Vatican and the Communist
Party of China (CPC), which yielded some authority to the government over
the naming of Catholic bishops.

"The provisional agreement between the Holy See and the Chinese government
is a secret deal," the cardinal said, "and no one knows exactly what it
specified."

"Government officials are trying to pressure all Catholics to join the
Patriotic Association," Zen said, "but this has not been mandated by the
Vatican. There has been no merger between the Catholic Patriotic Association
and the underground church."

Still, he said, "the communists are taking advantage of the confusion to try
to force Catholics to join."

"We need to study our history," the cardinal said. "Why are there two
Catholic communities in the first place? There was a reason. The Catholic
Patriotic Association teaches against Catholic doctrine and this has not
changed."

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2019/02/04/pope-francis-calls-chinese-bishops-show-loyalty-civil-authorities/
saracene
2019-02-04 20:38:00 UTC
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The Polish Pope was. Before that we had "liberation theology"
PhantomView
2019-02-05 02:39:30 UTC
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Pope Francis Calls on Chinese Bishops to Show 'Loyalty' to Civil Authorities
Pope Francis has called on Chinese bishops to show respect and loyalty to
the ruling Chinese Communist Party as faithful "members of the Chinese
people."
The Vatican newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, published an article Sunday in
Italian, English, and Chinese, saying that the pope has invited "all the
Bishops to renew their total adherence to Christ and to the Church."
At the same time, "as members of the Chinese people, they are obliged to
show respect and loyalty to the civil authorities."
He does have a doctinral point. Jesus never preached
aggressive religion. He was more in favor of conversion
through providing a good example and wise words to
ones neighbors. As such this popes' advice is the "most
Christian" I have heard from the HRCC in a long time.

Unfortunately the Chinese government considers adherents
of western religions to be enemies of the State, in the serious
meaning of the term. The government demands to be the
source of all truth, wisdom, certainty and authority and many
religions put their gods above the state. This is a threat.

As such expect this order of deference to be abused and
exploited by the government there. There is no chance
of mutual respect between Catholics and the "communist"
state. Many of the priests and many of their parishioners
will wind up in labor camps or be used for propaganda
purposes.

Religious fanaticism, pro OR anti, can be equally destructive.
DoD
2019-02-05 06:11:57 UTC
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Pope Francis Calls on Chinese Bishops to Show 'Loyalty' to Civil Authorities
Pope Francis has called on Chinese bishops to show respect and loyalty to
the ruling Chinese Communist Party as faithful "members of the Chinese
people."
The Vatican newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, published an article Sunday in
Italian, English, and Chinese, saying that the pope has invited "all the
Bishops to renew their total adherence to Christ and to the Church."
At the same time, "as members of the Chinese people, they are obliged to
show respect and loyalty to the civil authorities."
He does have a doctinral point. Jesus never preached
aggressive religion. He was more in favor of conversion
through providing a good example and wise words to
ones neighbors. As such this popes' advice is the "most
Christian" I have heard from the HRCC in a long time.
I dunno... The Jews used to preach pray for your Govmint... I believe
that they make good decisions for the people.... Problem is Chi-nizzles are
commies... and commies and Catholics are like water and oil...no matter what
the SJWs say...
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Unfortunately the Chinese government considers adherents
of western religions to be enemies of the State, in the serious
meaning of the term. The government demands to be the
source of all truth, wisdom, certainty and authority and many
religions put their gods above the state. This is a threat.
As such expect this order of deference to be abused and
exploited by the government there. There is no chance
of mutual respect between Catholics and the "communist"
state. Many of the priests and many of their parishioners
will wind up in labor camps or be used for propaganda
purposes.
Religious fanaticism, pro OR anti, can be equally destructive.
I agree with that...
abelard
2019-02-05 06:28:06 UTC
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2019 20:39:30 -0600, PhantomView
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Post by DoD
Pope Francis Calls on Chinese Bishops to Show 'Loyalty' to Civil Authorities
Pope Francis has called on Chinese bishops to show respect and loyalty to
the ruling Chinese Communist Party as faithful "members of the Chinese
people."
The Vatican newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, published an article Sunday in
Italian, English, and Chinese, saying that the pope has invited "all the
Bishops to renew their total adherence to Christ and to the Church."
At the same time, "as members of the Chinese people, they are obliged to
show respect and loyalty to the civil authorities."
He does have a doctinral point. Jesus never preached
aggressive religion. He was more in favor of conversion
through providing a good example and wise words to
ones neighbors. As such this popes' advice is the "most
Christian" I have heard from the HRCC in a long time.
Unfortunately the Chinese government considers adherents
of western religions to be enemies of the State, in the serious
meaning of the term. The government demands to be the
source of all truth, wisdom, certainty and authority and many
religions put their gods above the state. This is a threat.
As such expect this order of deference to be abused and
exploited by the government there. There is no chance
of mutual respect between Catholics and the "communist"
state. Many of the priests and many of their parishioners
will wind up in labor camps or be used for propaganda
purposes.
Religious fanaticism, pro OR anti, can be equally destructive.
there has oft times been tensions between state and church...

there is nothing very radical in any of the pope's positions that
i have seen...

humans widely need both...not one or the other
--
www.abelard.org
rbowman
2019-02-05 03:03:26 UTC
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Pope Francis Calls on Chinese Bishops to Show 'Loyalty' to Civil Authorities
https://www.cctwincities.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Rerum-Novarum.pdf

Pope Leo XIII, 1891

http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/11/10/the-man-who-knew-communism-best-by-bishop-fulton-j-sheen/

https://catholicism.org/communism-and-woman.html

They don't make them like Fulton J. Sheen anymore. Trivia: Martin Sheen
took his stage name from him. Sheen's program was very popular and was
watched by Protestants and Catholics alike.
4abHPβš›β† ╬ π‘΄π’Šπ’ˆπ’‰π’•π’š 𝑾𝒂𝒏𝒏𝒂𝒃𝒆 ╬ β†’βš›7FLl0
2019-02-05 04:23:29 UTC
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Pope Francis Calls on Chinese Bishops to Show 'Loyalty' to Civil Authorities
https://www.cctwincities.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Rerum-Novarum.pdf
Pope Leo XIII, 1891
http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/11/10/the-man-who-knew-communism-best-by-bishop-fulton-j-sheen/
https://catholicism.org/communism-and-woman.html
They don't make them like Fulton J. Sheen anymore. Trivia: Martin
Sheen took his stage name from him. Sheen's program was very popular
and was watched by Protestants and Catholics alike.
Religion should remain apolitical. Taking sides will always end in
disaster when the wind changes. Shaolin Temple was razed to the ground a
few times throughout its history in China because its followers were
taking sides.

http://fightland.vice.com/blog/razing-the-temple-shaolin-versus-the-state

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaolin_Monastery#Destructions_and_renovations
PhantomView
2019-02-05 06:01:58 UTC
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Pope Francis Calls on Chinese Bishops to Show 'Loyalty' to Civil Authorities
https://www.cctwincities.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Rerum-Novarum.pdf
Pope Leo XIII, 1891
http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/11/10/the-man-who-knew-communism-best-by-bishop-fulton-j-sheen/
https://catholicism.org/communism-and-woman.html
They don't make them like Fulton J. Sheen anymore. Trivia: Martin
Sheen took his stage name from him. Sheen's program was very popular
and was watched by Protestants and Catholics alike.
Religion should remain apolitical.
And your qualifications to lecture/dictate to "religions"
are exactly ???
DoD
2019-02-05 06:08:26 UTC
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Pope Francis Calls on Chinese Bishops to Show 'Loyalty' to Civil Authorities
https://www.cctwincities.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Rerum-Novarum.pdf
Pope Leo XIII, 1891
http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/11/10/the-man-who-knew-communism-best-by-bishop-fulton-j-sheen/
https://catholicism.org/communism-and-woman.html
They don't make them like Fulton J. Sheen anymore. Trivia: Martin
Sheen took his stage name from him. Sheen's program was very popular
and was watched by Protestants and Catholics alike.
Religion should remain apolitical.
And your qualifications to lecture/dictate to "religions"
are exactly ???
Of course .... he is a usenet kook...
PhantomView
2019-02-05 06:19:28 UTC
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Pope Francis Calls on Chinese Bishops to Show 'Loyalty' to Civil Authorities
https://www.cctwincities.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Rerum-Novarum.pdf
Pope Leo XIII, 1891
http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/11/10/the-man-who-knew-communism-best-by-bishop-fulton-j-sheen/
https://catholicism.org/communism-and-woman.html
They don't make them like Fulton J. Sheen anymore. Trivia: Martin
Sheen took his stage name from him. Sheen's program was very popular
and was watched by Protestants and Catholics alike.
Religion should remain apolitical.
And your qualifications to lecture/dictate to "religions"
are exactly ???
Of course .... he is a usenet kook...
Well, aren't we all :-)

However given the 12,000+ year history of religions
it IS a bit pretentious to instruct them what to do.
DoD
2019-02-05 06:37:33 UTC
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Pope Francis Calls on Chinese Bishops to Show 'Loyalty' to Civil Authorities
https://www.cctwincities.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Rerum-Novarum.pdf
Pope Leo XIII, 1891
http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/11/10/the-man-who-knew-communism-best-by-bishop-fulton-j-sheen/
https://catholicism.org/communism-and-woman.html
They don't make them like Fulton J. Sheen anymore. Trivia: Martin
Sheen took his stage name from him. Sheen's program was very popular
and was watched by Protestants and Catholics alike.
Religion should remain apolitical.
And your qualifications to lecture/dictate to "religions"
are exactly ???
Of course .... he is a usenet kook...
Well, aren't we all :-)
Humph.... I am a handsome young man....
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However given the 12,000+ year history of religions
it IS a bit pretentious to instruct them what to do.
Well... The thing about it is... for the most part over the years, unless
you force people as admittedly
Catholics did and Muslims still do.... you really just pick and choose...
don't you? like you are grabbing your
religion in a cafeteria line....
rbowman
2019-02-05 14:41:15 UTC
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Religion should remain apolitical. Taking sides will always end in
disaster when the wind changes. Shaolin Temple was razed to the ground a
few times throughout its history in China because its followers were
taking sides.
Politics are downstream of culture and the religion should drive the
culture and ethos. When religion fails you get what we have now.
zhD1Qβš›β† ╬ π‘΄π’Šπ’ˆπ’‰π’•π’š 𝑾𝒂𝒏𝒏𝒂𝒃𝒆 ╬ β†’βš›mFkOw
2019-02-06 06:03:29 UTC
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Religion should remain apolitical. Taking sides will always end in
disaster when the wind changes. Shaolin Temple was razed to the ground a
few times throughout its history in China because its followers were
taking sides.
Politics are downstream of culture and the religion should drive the
culture and ethos. When religion fails you get what we have now.
When religion succeeds you get what the Muslim countries have now. The
Catholic Church was as oppressive as Islam before the "separation of
church and state".

The deterioration of the culture and ethos in the US is mainly due to
American imperialism which resulted in decades of immoral wars since the
1950s. When you send your young men to invade, vandalize, rape and
murder in foreign land, you cannot expect them to come back, flick and
switch and forget the death and destruction they have caused. They bring
their culture of destroy, vandalize, rape and murder back home. What you
see now is karma, is chickens coming home to roost.
rbowman
2019-02-06 14:43:58 UTC
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The deterioration of the culture and ethos in the US is mainly due to
American imperialism which resulted in decades of immoral wars since the
1950s. When you send your young men to invade, vandalize, rape and
murder in foreign land, you cannot expect them to come back, flick and
switch and forget the death and destruction they have caused. They bring
their culture of destroy, vandalize, rape and murder back home. What you
see now is karma, is chickens coming home to roost.
Not big on causality, are you? Why are the US leaders imperialistic
money grubbers? Excuse me, 'well to do' or whatever the euphemism
(((Schultz))) prefers.

The assholes generally didn't even come back with loot and slaves.
hbXWdβš›β† ╬ π‘΄π’Šπ’ˆπ’‰π’•π’š 𝑾𝒂𝒏𝒏𝒂𝒃𝒆 ╬ β†’βš›B0rDf
2019-02-06 17:14:18 UTC
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The deterioration of the culture and ethos in the US is mainly due to
American imperialism which resulted in decades of immoral wars since the
1950s. When you send your young men to invade, vandalize, rape and
murder in foreign land, you cannot expect them to come back, flick and
switch and forget the death and destruction they have caused. They bring
their culture of destroy, vandalize, rape and murder back home. What you
see now is karma, is chickens coming home to roost.
Not big on causality, are you? Why are the US leaders imperialistic
money grubbers? Excuse me, 'well to do' or whatever the euphemism
(((Schultz))) prefers.
The assholes generally didn't even come back with loot and slaves.
Who needs loots when the bankers are printing money out of thin air to
lend to Uncle Sam to stoke the military industrial complex? And who
needs slaves when never-ending hordes of war and economic refugees are
climbing over themselves to come over to be exploited?

Uncle Sam's modus operandi of war seems to be "wreak havoc; destroy and
rebuild - the costlier the better". Uncle Sam's wars are not meant to be
won; they are meant to be sustained so that each war can last as long as
possible.
rbowman
2019-02-07 02:06:48 UTC
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Who needs loots when the bankers are printing money out of thin air to
lend to Uncle Sam to stoke the military industrial complex? And who
needs slaves when never-ending hordes of war and economic refugees are
climbing over themselves to come over to be exploited?
What we need is a good housecleaning...
DoD
2019-02-05 05:57:53 UTC
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Pope Francis Calls on Chinese Bishops to Show 'Loyalty' to Civil Authorities
https://www.cctwincities.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Rerum-Novarum.pdf
Pope Leo XIII, 1891
http://www.pagadiandiocese.org/2016/11/10/the-man-who-knew-communism-best-by-bishop-fulton-j-sheen/
https://catholicism.org/communism-and-woman.html
They don't make them like Fulton J. Sheen anymore. Trivia: Martin Sheen
took his stage name from him. Sheen's program was very popular and was
watched by Protestants and Catholics alike.
No they don't make them like they used too...in just about any angle you can
think of.... Hell, even though I disagreed with them on certain things a
lot... Malcolm X and Marcus Garvey had a lot of wisdom.. for their people...

Malcolm Xs wisdom... 'If you vote for democrats, you are a political chump
and a race traitor' ..... He knew back in the day, what the
democrats were up to... Not that he bought into Republicans.... I had to
find out he was right on that decades later!!!

Anyways, back to Sheen... he was one of a kind... I believe he oversaw
bringing Bella Dodd back into the Church.. Talk about some
serious ability to forgive someone else... Perhaps the only other person
that fucked the Catholic church over more was probably Stalin....
Winston_Smith
2019-02-06 18:17:53 UTC
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Pope Francis has called on Chinese bishops to show respect and loyalty to
the ruling Chinese Communist Party as faithful "members of the Chinese
people."
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2019/02/04/pope-francis-calls-chinese-bishops-show-loyalty-civil-authorities/
The Church managed to come to terms with Mussolini's Fascism to
survive. Not much difference between fascism and communism in terms of
personal liberty.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pournelle_chart
DoD
2019-02-06 18:21:58 UTC
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Pope Francis has called on Chinese bishops to show respect and loyalty to
the ruling Chinese Communist Party as faithful "members of the Chinese
people."
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2019/02/04/pope-francis-calls-chinese-bishops-show-loyalty-civil-authorities/
The Church managed to come to terms with Mussolini's Fascism to
survive. Not much difference between fascism and communism in terms of
personal liberty.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Pournelle_chart_color.gif
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pournelle_chart
Very, very true... however I will say the fascist's didn't send thousands of
groomed homos into the Church to destroy it.
Ld08tβš›β† ╬ π‘΄π’Šπ’ˆπ’‰π’•π’š 𝑾𝒂𝒏𝒏𝒂𝒃𝒆 ╬ β†’βš›5Dq6P
2019-02-06 18:46:05 UTC
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Pope Francis has called on Chinese bishops to show respect and loyalty to
the ruling Chinese Communist Party as faithful "members of the Chinese
people."
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2019/02/04/pope-francis-calls-chinese-bishops-show-loyalty-civil-authorities/
The Church managed to come to terms with Mussolini's Fascism to
survive. Not much difference between fascism and communism in terms of
personal liberty.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Pournelle_chart_color.gif
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pournelle_chart
Very, very true... however I will say the fascist's didn't send
thousands of groomed homos into the Church to destroy it.
They are not all homos. Some love to use palatable young nuns as fuck
dolls. I guess the nuns were told they would experience a little bit of
heaven through orgasm.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/world/europe/pope-nuns-sexual-abuse.html


Pope Acknowledges Nuns Were Sexually Abused by Priests and Bishops

# Feb. 5, 2019

ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE Β— Pope Francis said on Tuesday that the Roman
Catholic Church had faced a persistent problem of sexual abuse of nuns
by priests and even bishops, the first time he has publicly acknowledged
the issue.

Catholic nuns have accused clerics of sexual abuse in recent years in
India, Africa, Latin America and in Italy, and a Vatican magazine last
week mentioned nuns having abortions or giving birth to the children of
priests. But Francis has never raised the issue until he was asked to
comment during a news conference aboard the papal plane returning to
Rome from his trip to the United Arab Emirates.

Β“ItΒ’s true,Β” Francis said. Β“There are priests and bishops who have done
that.Β”
DoD
2019-02-06 19:01:14 UTC
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Looks like on top of being a fuckhead that can't post properly to usenet, you also have a nun fetish... I doubt that is where
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 13:44:39 -0600, "DoD" wrote:


Pope Francis has called on Chinese bishops to show respect and loyalty to
the ruling Chinese Communist Party as faithful "members of the Chinese
people."
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2019/02/04/pope-francis-calls-chinese-bishops-show-loyalty-civil-authorities/



The Church managed to come to terms with Mussolini's Fascism to
survive. Not much difference between fascism and communism in terms of
personal liberty.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Pournelle_chart_color.gif

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pournelle_chart


Very, very true... however I will say the fascist's didn't send thousands of groomed homos into the Church to destroy it.


They are not all homos. Some love to use palatable young nuns as fuck dolls. I guess the nuns were told they would experience a little bit of heaven through orgasm.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/world/europe/pope-nuns-sexual-abuse.html


Pope Acknowledges Nuns Were Sexually Abused by Priests and Bishopsa.. Feb. 5, 2019
ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE Ҁ” Pope Francis said on Tuesday that the Roman Catholic Church had faced a persistent problem of sexual abuse of nuns by priests and even bishops, the first time he has publicly acknowledged the issue.

Catholic nuns have accused clerics of sexual abuse in recent years in India, Africa, Latin America and in Italy, and a Vatican magazine last week mentioned nuns having abortions or giving birth to the children of priests. But Francis has never raised the issue until he was asked to comment during a news conference aboard the papal plane returning to Rome from his trip to the United Arab Emirates.

Γ’Β€ΒœItҀ™s true,Ҁ Francis said. Γ’Β€ΒœThere are priests and bishops who have done that.Ҁ
WTmgFβš›β† ╬ π‘΄π’Šπ’ˆπ’‰π’•π’š 𝑾𝒂𝒏𝒏𝒂𝒃𝒆 ╬ β†’βš›1mBcU
2019-02-06 19:14:01 UTC
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Looks like on top of being a fuckhead that can't post properly to
usenet, you also have a nun fetish... I doubt that is where
your creepiness ends though...
You are top-posting. You are the fuckhead that can't post properly to
Usenet. Maybe you had been skullfucked by priests. I feel sorry for you.
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Pope Francis has called on Chinese bishops to show respect and loyalty to
the ruling Chinese Communist Party as faithful "members of the Chinese
people."
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2019/02/04/pope-francis-calls-chinese-bishops-show-loyalty-civil-authorities/
The Church managed to come to terms with Mussolini's Fascism to
survive. Not much difference between fascism and communism in terms of
personal liberty.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Pournelle_chart_color.gif
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pournelle_chart
Very, very true... however I will say the fascist's didn't send
thousands of groomed homos into the Church to destroy it.
They are not all homos. Some love to use palatable young nuns as
fuck dolls. I guess the nuns were told they would experience a
little bit of heaven through orgasm.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/world/europe/pope-nuns-sexual-abuse.html
Pope Acknowledges Nuns Were Sexually Abused by Priests and Bishops
# Feb. 5, 2019
ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE Ҁ” Pope Francis said on Tuesday that the
Roman Catholic Church had faced a persistent problem of sexual
abuse of nuns by priests and even bishops, the first time he has
publicly acknowledged the issue.
Catholic nuns have accused clerics of sexual abuse in recent years
in India, Africa, Latin America and in Italy, and a Vatican
magazine last week mentioned nuns having abortions or giving birth
to the children of priests. But Francis has never raised the issue
until he was asked to comment during a news conference aboard the
papal plane returning to Rome from his trip to the United Arab
Emirates.
Γ’Β€ΒœItҀ™s true,Ҁ Francis said. Γ’Β€ΒœThere are priests and bishops who have
done that.Ҁ
Siri Cruise
2019-02-07 00:00:58 UTC
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Pope Francis Calls on Chinese Bishops to Show 'Loyalty' to Civil Authorities
The new testament calls on christians to obey civil authority unless that would
be a sin, such sacrificing to an idol or commit murder. Christianity is not
supposed to pro-communism nor ant-communism and pro-capitalism nor
ant-capitalism. Economies are of Caesar: christians should abide in whatever
they are embedded, and keep their eyes on the prize: to enter Jesus's kingdom.
(Anyways China is communist in name only. Primarily they are a kleptocracy.)

Christians have persecuted just for being christians at times in Rome, India,
the USSR. Christians are not supposed to meet violence, but to try to remain
faithful. The church is not supposed to fight on their behalf, but try to
persuade persecutors to stop as well help all persecuted including nonchristians.

China is a little different from simple persecution. The Communist Party is
jealous of other gods and interferes in their worship. The question is whether
China's interference is mere persecution which has to be abided or forced
idolatry of the CP which must be rejected. Churches in China are grappling with
this.

The Catholics have put themselves in an awkward position by hypocritically
seeking secular power. They claim the power to damn their congregation and use
that to force them to sin in obedience to the state. But China doesn't want to
partner with the church, so the church has no profit in deliverring their
chinese congregation to state control.
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2020-02-09 23:00:40 UTC
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what your saying here is not true AT ALL. Communism is very
excommunicated from the true Catholic Church. It is not negotiable. It
is classified
as a heretic system. And is labeled Antichrist.

Which is why, it is not of Cesar in Rome.

You, need an education. Because, it will never change this truth.
God does not change. |Page 266. it is antichrist. They are not
permitted to receive holy communion . You, sound like a novus ordo to me
with your false statements.

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Pope Francis Calls on Chinese Bishops to Show 'Loyalty' to Civil Authorities
The new testament calls on christians to obey civil authority unless that would
be a sin, such sacrificing to an idol or commit murder. Christianity is not
supposed to pro-communism nor ant-communism and pro-capitalism nor
ant-capitalism. Economies are of Caesar: christians should abide in whatever
they are embedded, and keep their eyes on the prize: to enter Jesus's kingdom.
(Anyways China is communist in name only. Primarily they are a kleptocracy.)
Christians have persecuted just for being christians at times in Rome, India,
the USSR. Christians are not supposed to meet violence, but to try to remain
faithful. The church is not supposed to fight on their behalf, but try to
persuade persecutors to stop as well help all persecuted including nonchristians.
China is a little different from simple persecution. The Communist Party is
jealous of other gods and interferes in their worship. The question is whether
China's interference is mere persecution which has to be abided or forced
idolatry of the CP which must be rejected. Churches in China are grappling with
this.
The Catholics have put themselves in an awkward position by hypocritically
seeking secular power. They claim the power to damn their congregation and use
that to force them to sin in obedience to the state. But China doesn't want to
partner with the church, so the church has no profit in deliverring their
chinese congregation to state control.
Roger
2019-02-07 08:22:22 UTC
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Pope Francis Calls on Chinese Bishops to Show 'Loyalty' to Civil Authorities
Pope Francis has called on Chinese bishops to show respect and loyalty to
the ruling Chinese Communist Party as faithful "members of the Chinese
people."
A contemporary interpretation of "Rend unto ceaser....
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