Discussion:
Putin poisons again
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Byker
2018-03-06 19:17:09 UTC
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"Police were probing his exposure to an unknown substance, which left him
unconscious on a bench in the city of Salisbury and saw media draw parallels
to the case of Alexander Litvinenko, an ex-spy who died of radioactive
polonium poisoning in 2006. British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson warned
on Tuesday (Mar. 6) that London would respond "robustly" if it emerged that
a government was behind the suspected poisoning."
https://tinyurl.com/yb27kta8

https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0b8e413c93c0

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/05/alleged-former-russian-spy-critically-exposure-unknown-substance/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/mar/06/russian-spy-incident-counter-terrorist-police-investigate-live-updates

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/06/591136097/britain-warns-moscow-over-poisoning-of-ex-russian-double-agent
johnny-knowall
2018-03-06 19:35:19 UTC
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Post by Byker
"Police were probing his exposure to an unknown substance, which left him
unconscious on a bench in the city of Salisbury and saw media draw parallels
to the case of Alexander Litvinenko, an ex-spy who died of radioactive
polonium poisoning in 2006. British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson warned
on Tuesday (Mar. 6) that London would respond "robustly" if it emerged that
a government was behind the suspected poisoning."
https://tinyurl.com/yb27kta8
https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0b8e413c93c0
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/05/alleged-former-russian-spy-critica
lly-exposure-unknown-substance/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/mar/06/russian-spy-incident-counte
r-terrorist-police-investigate-live-updates
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/06/591136097/britain-warns-mos
cow-over-poisoning-of-ex-russian-double-agent
Don’t you think this blanket coverage of two druggies posing on a shopping
centre bench, just rather too good to be true?

At the very least it is an insult to all the genuine homeless druggies, who
can sit on a park bench for years and not be noticed by the filth, unless
there are arrest quotas to be reached.

It is pathetic media manipulation, just as an exercise to see how effective
the UK establishment propaganda machine is working.
Mr. B1ack
2018-03-07 02:11:59 UTC
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Post by Byker
"Police were probing his exposure to an unknown substance, which left him
unconscious on a bench in the city of Salisbury and saw media draw parallels
to the case of Alexander Litvinenko, an ex-spy who died of radioactive
polonium poisoning in 2006. British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson warned
on Tuesday (Mar. 6) that London would respond "robustly" if it emerged that
a government was behind the suspected poisoning."
https://tinyurl.com/yb27kta8
https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0b8e413c93c0
The "unknown substance" was probably cheap gin.
abelard
2018-03-07 13:29:18 UTC
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Post by Mr. B1ack
Post by Byker
"Police were probing his exposure to an unknown substance, which left him
unconscious on a bench in the city of Salisbury and saw media draw parallels
to the case of Alexander Litvinenko, an ex-spy who died of radioactive
polonium poisoning in 2006. British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson warned
on Tuesday (Mar. 6) that London would respond "robustly" if it emerged that
a government was behind the suspected poisoning."
https://tinyurl.com/yb27kta8
https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0b8e413c93c0
The "unknown substance" was probably cheap gin.
sounds more like a bute type substance...so far
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Mr. B1ack
2018-03-07 13:59:12 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by Mr. B1ack
Post by Byker
"Police were probing his exposure to an unknown substance, which left him
unconscious on a bench in the city of Salisbury and saw media draw parallels
to the case of Alexander Litvinenko, an ex-spy who died of radioactive
polonium poisoning in 2006. British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson warned
on Tuesday (Mar. 6) that London would respond "robustly" if it emerged that
a government was behind the suspected poisoning."
https://tinyurl.com/yb27kta8
https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0b8e413c93c0
The "unknown substance" was probably cheap gin.
sounds more like a bute type substance...so far
Apparently nobody can be found passed-out on a
park bench these days without Putin being involved.
abelard
2018-03-07 14:10:32 UTC
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Post by Mr. B1ack
Post by abelard
Post by Mr. B1ack
Post by Byker
"Police were probing his exposure to an unknown substance, which left him
unconscious on a bench in the city of Salisbury and saw media draw parallels
to the case of Alexander Litvinenko, an ex-spy who died of radioactive
polonium poisoning in 2006. British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson warned
on Tuesday (Mar. 6) that London would respond "robustly" if it emerged that
a government was behind the suspected poisoning."
https://tinyurl.com/yb27kta8
https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0b8e413c93c0
The "unknown substance" was probably cheap gin.
sounds more like a bute type substance...so far
Apparently nobody can be found passed-out on a
park bench these days without Putin being involved.
watch late night police programs..never a mention of pootin
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Mr. B1ack
2018-03-07 14:38:10 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by Mr. B1ack
Post by abelard
Post by Mr. B1ack
Post by Byker
"Police were probing his exposure to an unknown substance, which left him
unconscious on a bench in the city of Salisbury and saw media draw parallels
to the case of Alexander Litvinenko, an ex-spy who died of radioactive
polonium poisoning in 2006. British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson warned
on Tuesday (Mar. 6) that London would respond "robustly" if it emerged that
a government was behind the suspected poisoning."
https://tinyurl.com/yb27kta8
https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0b8e413c93c0
The "unknown substance" was probably cheap gin.
sounds more like a bute type substance...so far
Apparently nobody can be found passed-out on a
park bench these days without Putin being involved.
watch late night police programs..never a mention of pootin
Just trying to prevent a panic ..... :-)
Incubus
2018-03-07 14:35:31 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by Mr. B1ack
Post by Byker
"Police were probing his exposure to an unknown substance, which left him
unconscious on a bench in the city of Salisbury and saw media draw
parallels to the case of Alexander Litvinenko, an ex-spy who died of
radioactive polonium poisoning in 2006. British Foreign Secretary Boris
Johnson warned on Tuesday (Mar. 6) that London would respond "robustly" if
it emerged that a government was behind the suspected poisoning."
https://tinyurl.com/yb27kta8
https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0b8e413c93c0
The "unknown substance" was probably cheap gin.
sounds more like a bute type substance...so far
Apparently nobody can be found passed-out on a park bench these days
without Putin being involved.
Putin is apparently a busy man. He engineered Britain's exit from the EU,
delivered the Whitehouse to Donald Trump, fights proxy wars in Syria, hacks
governemnt computers, funds an army of on-line trolls to subvert democracy and
orders assassinations of people who could cause him embarrassment.

I'm suprised he has time for breakfast.
Mr. B1ack
2018-03-07 14:45:41 UTC
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On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 14:35:31 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
Post by Incubus
Post by abelard
Post by Mr. B1ack
Post by Byker
"Police were probing his exposure to an unknown substance, which left him
unconscious on a bench in the city of Salisbury and saw media draw
parallels to the case of Alexander Litvinenko, an ex-spy who died of
radioactive polonium poisoning in 2006. British Foreign Secretary Boris
Johnson warned on Tuesday (Mar. 6) that London would respond "robustly" if
it emerged that a government was behind the suspected poisoning."
https://tinyurl.com/yb27kta8
https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0b8e413c93c0
The "unknown substance" was probably cheap gin.
sounds more like a bute type substance...so far
Apparently nobody can be found passed-out on a park bench these days
without Putin being involved.
Putin is apparently a busy man. He engineered Britain's exit from the EU,
delivered the Whitehouse to Donald Trump, fights proxy wars in Syria, hacks
governemnt computers, funds an army of on-line trolls to subvert democracy and
orders assassinations of people who could cause him embarrassment.
I'm suprised he has time for breakfast.
I'm surprised he has the time to pose for
his "Shirtless Vlad" calendars .....

It really has become ridiculous. If Putin has his
fingers expertly in every pie he's accused of
meddling with he and Russia WOULD totally
control the world by now. Listen to the doom-
sayers and Putin is even more skilled and
powerful than those sneaky Jews their
grandfathers used to say ran the planet.

The Americans and Euros are perfectly capable
of royally fucking things up all by themselves ...
Russia is not required.
Ophelia
2018-03-07 16:25:09 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by Mr. B1ack
Post by Byker
"Police were probing his exposure to an unknown substance, which left him
unconscious on a bench in the city of Salisbury and saw media draw
parallels to the case of Alexander Litvinenko, an ex-spy who died of
radioactive polonium poisoning in 2006. British Foreign Secretary Boris
Johnson warned on Tuesday (Mar. 6) that London would respond "robustly" if
it emerged that a government was behind the suspected poisoning."
https://tinyurl.com/yb27kta8
https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0b8e413c93c0
The "unknown substance" was probably cheap gin.
sounds more like a bute type substance...so far
Apparently nobody can be found passed-out on a park bench these days
without Putin being involved.
Putin is apparently a busy man. He engineered Britain's exit from the EU,
delivered the Whitehouse to Donald Trump, fights proxy wars in Syria, hacks
governemnt computers, funds an army of on-line trolls to subvert democracy
and
orders assassinations of people who could cause him embarrassment.

I'm suprised he has time for breakfast.
==

Superman!!!
Handsome Jack
2018-03-07 17:16:38 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Putin is apparently a busy man. He engineered Britain's exit from the EU,
delivered the Whitehouse to Donald Trump, fights proxy wars in Syria, hacks
governemnt computers, funds an army of on-line trolls to subvert democracy and
orders assassinations of people who could cause him embarrassment.
Have you forgotten how he personally shot down that airliner over
Ukraine, and was then seen feasting on the roasted corpses of the child
victims?
--
Jack
PaxPerPoten
2018-03-08 19:09:23 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by abelard
Post by Mr. B1ack
Post by Byker
"Police were probing his exposure to an unknown substance, which left him
unconscious on a bench in the city of Salisbury and saw media draw
parallels to the case of Alexander Litvinenko, an ex-spy who died of
radioactive polonium poisoning in 2006. British Foreign Secretary Boris
Johnson warned on Tuesday (Mar. 6) that London would respond "robustly" if
it emerged that a government was behind the suspected poisoning."
https://tinyurl.com/yb27kta8
https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0b8e413c93c0
The "unknown substance" was probably cheap gin.
sounds more like a bute type substance...so far
Apparently nobody can be found passed-out on a park bench these days
without Putin being involved.
Putin is apparently a busy man. He engineered Britain's exit from the EU,
delivered the Whitehouse to Donald Trump, fights proxy wars in Syria, hacks
governemnt computers, funds an army of on-line trolls to subvert democracy and
orders assassinations of people who could cause him embarrassment.
I'm suprised he has time for breakfast.
Damned! I was hoping he had some spare time to Off Pellosi.
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Andrew Swallow
2018-03-09 00:47:59 UTC
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In Britain two people are critically ill and a policemen is in intensive
care due to an attack using nerve gas. The British police are holding a
major investigation.
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43337962>

Nerve gas is difficult to get hold off so the assassin almost certainly
worked for a government agency. Since one of the dead people is Sergei
Skripol who a Russian spy that was recruited by MI6 there is a strong
suspicion that the Russians organised the murder.

What should Britain do about this?
Starting World War 3 would be a bit of an over reaction. Other
possibilities:


Expel all Russian diplomats.
Make transferring money from Russia difficult.
Ban Russian citizens from the UK. Some very very rich Russians have
homes in London.
Ban imports from Russia.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-03-09 02:16:42 UTC
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Post by Andrew Swallow
In Britain two people are critically ill and a policemen is in intensive
care due to an attack using nerve gas. The British police are holding a
major investigation.
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43337962>
Nerve gas is difficult to get hold off so the assassin almost certainly
worked for a government agency.
MI5, for example.
Post by Andrew Swallow
Since one of the dead people is Sergei
Skripol who a Russian spy that was recruited by MI6 there is a strong
suspicion that the Russians organised the murder.
Since the UK spy services had already capitalized everything the man told
them, he no longer had a value for them in the living form, so there is a
strong suspicion that they utilized him in the form of a tool for a psyop.
Post by Andrew Swallow
What should Britain do about this?
Starting World War 3 would be a bit of an over reaction. Other
Expel all Russian diplomats.
Make transferring money from Russia difficult.
Ban Russian citizens from the UK. Some very very rich Russians have
homes in London.
Ban imports from Russia.
Learn to conduct a proper investigation before making accusations.
Jeff
2018-03-09 07:33:29 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
Since one of the dead people is Sergei Skripol who a Russian spy that
was recruited by MI6 there is a strong suspicion that the Russians
organised the murder.
Since the UK spy services had already capitalized everything the man
told them, he no longer had a value for them in the living form, so
there is a strong suspicion that they utilized him in the form of a tool
for a psyop.
What should Britain do about this?
Starting World War 3 would be a bit of an over reaction. Other
Expel all Russian diplomats.
Make transferring money from Russia difficult.
Ban Russian citizens from the UK. Some very very rich Russians have
homes in London.
Ban imports from Russia.
Learn to conduct a proper investigation before making accusations.
Please get your facts right

At this time no one is dead, and the UK government have made no
accusations against Russia, or anyone else.

Jeff
Oleg Smirnov
2018-03-09 17:19:09 UTC
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Post by Jeff
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Since the UK spy services had already capitalized everything the man
told them, he no longer had a value for them in the living form, so
there is a strong suspicion that they utilized him in the form of a tool
for a psyop.
Also, the press reports <http://clck.ru/CvpnB> his regular contacts
with the Russian embassy (where he might tell about some counter-spy
UK practices?).
Post by Jeff
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
What should Britain do about this?
Starting World War 3 would be a bit of an over reaction. Other
Expel all Russian diplomats.
Make transferring money from Russia difficult.
Ban Russian citizens from the UK. Some very very rich Russians have
homes in London.
Ban imports from Russia.
Learn to conduct a proper investigation before making accusations.
Please get your facts right
At this time no one is dead, and the UK government have made no
accusations against Russia, or anyone else.
In strict formal sense you're right, but it clearly implicates it.

The narrative's been preset, and in the situation when the shamans
beat the tambourines and the bloodthirsty mob demands lynching, one
can hardly expect a rigorous investigation.
george152
2018-03-09 19:16:49 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
In Britain two people are critically ill and a policemen is in
intensive care due to an attack using nerve gas. The British police
are holding a major investigation.
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43337962>
Nerve gas is difficult to get hold off so the assassin almost
certainly worked for a government agency.
MI5, for example.
Post by Andrew Swallow
Since one of the dead people is Sergei Skripol who a Russian spy that
was recruited by MI6 there is a strong suspicion that the Russians
organised the murder.
Since the UK spy services had already capitalized everything the man
told them, he no longer had a value for them in the living form, so
there is a strong suspicion that they utilized him in the form of a tool
for a psyop.
Post by Andrew Swallow
What should Britain do about this?
Starting World War 3 would be a bit of an over reaction. Other
Expel all Russian diplomats.
Make transferring money from Russia difficult.
Ban Russian citizens from the UK. Some very very rich Russians have
homes in London.
Ban imports from Russia.
Learn to conduct a proper investigation before making accusations.
One doesn't need to be a Holmes to work this one out..
Putin has admitted as much on TV news
The UK should deport all Russian 'diplomats' and embassy staff.
And pull their reps out of Russia.
And the EU should man up

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Andrew Swallow
2018-03-12 02:17:43 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
In Britain two people are critically ill and a policemen is in
intensive care due to an attack using nerve gas. The British police
are holding a major investigation.
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43337962>
Nerve gas is difficult to get hold off so the assassin almost
certainly worked for a government agency.
MI5, for example.
Post by Andrew Swallow
Since one of the dead people is Sergei Skripol who a Russian spy that
was recruited by MI6 there is a strong suspicion that the Russians
organised the murder.
Since the UK spy services had already capitalized everything the man
told them, he no longer had a value for them in the living form, so
there is a strong suspicion that they utilized him in the form of a tool
for a psyop.
Post by Andrew Swallow
What should Britain do about this?
Starting World War 3 would be a bit of an over reaction. Other
Expel all Russian diplomats.
Make transferring money from Russia difficult.
Ban Russian citizens from the UK. Some very very rich Russians have
homes in London.
Ban imports from Russia.
Learn to conduct a proper investigation before making accusations.
That is all the investigation Russia would get before NATO started World
War 3.

MI5 would not dare use such a weapon in the UK. It would get caught.
Britain has chosen to perform a full investigation. Such investigations
can last 4 or 5 years. The inquest will be held in public.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-03-12 18:41:30 UTC
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Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
In Britain two people are critically ill and a policemen is in
intensive care due to an attack using nerve gas. The British police
are holding a major investigation.
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43337962>
Nerve gas is difficult to get hold off so the assassin almost
certainly worked for a government agency.
MI5, for example.
Post by Andrew Swallow
Since one of the dead people is Sergei Skripol who a Russian spy that
was recruited by MI6 there is a strong suspicion that the Russians
organised the murder.
Since the UK spy services had already capitalized everything the man
told them, he no longer had a value for them in the living form, so
there is a strong suspicion that they utilized him in the form of a tool
for a psyop.
Post by Andrew Swallow
What should Britain do about this?
Starting World War 3 would be a bit of an over reaction. Other
Expel all Russian diplomats.
Make transferring money from Russia difficult.
Ban Russian citizens from the UK. Some very very rich Russians have
homes in London.
Ban imports from Russia.
Learn to conduct a proper investigation before making accusations.
That is all the investigation Russia would get before NATO started World
War 3.
Your rulers won't start WW3 this way.

They need 'Russia' primarily to keep their own populace in shape.
Post by Andrew Swallow
MI5 would not dare use such a weapon in the UK. It would get caught.
Britain has chosen to perform a full investigation. Such investigations
can last 4 or 5 years. The inquest will be held in public.
It's already a joke, and you're not the first delusional British who
tells me about some thing "it is impossible in Britain, you simply
don't know us", and then I see that the thing is still possible.
george152
2018-03-12 18:52:44 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
In Britain two people are critically ill and a policemen is in
intensive care due to an attack using nerve gas. The British police
are holding a major investigation.
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43337962>
Nerve gas is difficult to get hold off so the assassin almost
certainly worked for a government agency.
MI5, for example.
Post by Andrew Swallow
Since one of the dead people is Sergei Skripol who a Russian spy
that was recruited by MI6 there is a strong suspicion that the
Russians organised the murder.
Since the UK spy services had already capitalized everything the man
told them, he no longer had a value for them in the living form, so
there is a strong suspicion that they utilized him in the form of a
tool for a psyop.
Post by Andrew Swallow
What should Britain do about this?
Starting World War 3 would be a bit of an over reaction. Other
Expel all Russian diplomats.
Make transferring money from Russia difficult.
Ban Russian citizens from the UK. Some very very rich Russians have
homes in London.
Ban imports from Russia.
Learn to conduct a proper investigation before making accusations.
That is all the investigation Russia would get before NATO started
World War 3.
Your rulers won't start WW3 this way.
They need 'Russia' primarily to keep their own populace in shape.
Post by Andrew Swallow
MI5 would not dare use such a weapon in the UK. It would get caught.
Britain has chosen to perform a full investigation. Such
investigations can last 4 or 5 years. The inquest will be held in public.
It's already a joke, and you're not the first delusional British who
tells me about some thing "it is impossible in Britain, you simply don't
know us", and then I see that the thing is still possible.
Russia's official denial poster had better crack up the pace because
we're not buying it

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johnny-knowall
2018-03-12 18:54:28 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
In Britain two people are critically ill and a policemen is in
intensive care due to an attack using nerve gas. The British police
are holding a major investigation.
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43337962>
Nerve gas is difficult to get hold off so the assassin almost
certainly worked for a government agency.
MI5, for example.
Post by Andrew Swallow
Since one of the dead people is Sergei Skripol who a Russian spy that
was recruited by MI6 there is a strong suspicion that the Russians
organised the murder.
Since the UK spy services had already capitalized everything the man
told them, he no longer had a value for them in the living form, so
there is a strong suspicion that they utilized him in the form of a tool
for a psyop.
Post by Andrew Swallow
What should Britain do about this?
Starting World War 3 would be a bit of an over reaction. Other
Expel all Russian diplomats.
Make transferring money from Russia difficult.
Ban Russian citizens from the UK. Some very very rich Russians have
homes in London.
Ban imports from Russia.
Learn to conduct a proper investigation before making accusations.
That is all the investigation Russia would get before NATO started World
War 3.
Your rulers won't start WW3 this way.
They need 'Russia' primarily to keep their own populace in shape.
Post by Andrew Swallow
MI5 would not dare use such a weapon in the UK. It would get caught.
Britain has chosen to perform a full investigation. Such investigations
can last 4 or 5 years. The inquest will be held in public.
It's already a joke,
You’re telling me.

We don’t seem to know how the poison was administered, where the person
came from or went before and after administering it, how long it took for the
poison to take effect.

It was obviously long enough for the victims to go to a pub and restaurant
and contaminate these places before feeling too ill to carry on and ended up
on the bench.

The whole thing smacks of the perpetrator’s total dominance in this
situation, so if it is Russia - they seem to be light years ahead of us in
the ‘dark arts’.

It might be time for the UK’s big-mouths to STFU for a few years and
realise they are well down the pecking order; and in no place to criticise.
Post by Oleg Smirnov
and you're not the first delusional British who
tells me about some thing "it is impossible in Britain, you simply
don't know us", and then I see that the thing is still possible.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-03-12 21:53:51 UTC
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We don't seem to know how the poison was administered, where the person
came from or went before and after administering it, how long it took for the
poison to take effect.
It was obviously long enough for the victims to go to a pub and restaurant
and contaminate these places before feeling too ill to carry on and ended up
on the bench.
The whole thing smacks of the perpetrator's total dominance in this
situation, so if it is Russia - they seem to be light years ahead of us in
the 'dark arts'.
Russian control over the US election has made up in the same way.

[the orchestrated] Collective hysteria muffles critical thinking.
saracene
2018-03-12 22:57:59 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
We don't seem to know how the poison was administered, where the person
came from or went before and after administering it, how long it took for the
poison to take effect.
It was obviously long enough for the victims to go to a pub and restaurant
and contaminate these places before feeling too ill to carry on and ended up
on the bench.
The whole thing smacks of the perpetrator's total dominance in this
situation, so if it is Russia - they seem to be light years ahead of us in
the 'dark arts'.
[the orchestrated] Collective hysteria muffles critical thinking.
\If you're so sure Putin didnt do it you must be privy to some secret information. Have you been briefed by your FSB contollers? Yo sould let the uk Govt knw, it ight be useful for the enquiry.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-03-12 22:02:10 UTC
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It might be time for the UK's big-mouths to STFU for a few years and
realise they are well down the pecking order; and in no place to criticise.
Well, no, if they don't want to look like that, they will stand up - By the
way, what is Russia's GDP compared to the UK's, these days?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)>

GDP_(nominal) is a hoax due to the known inadequacy of the nominal US
dollar as a unit of measure (by the way, this is one of the reasons why
the US is in decline and the USD has no prospect in the long run).
Andrew Swallow
2018-03-12 23:04:49 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
In Britain two people are critically ill and a policemen is in
intensive care due to an attack using nerve gas. The British police
are holding a major investigation.
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43337962>
Nerve gas is difficult to get hold off so the assassin almost
certainly worked for a government agency.
MI5, for example.
Post by Andrew Swallow
Since one of the dead people is Sergei Skripol who a Russian spy
that was recruited by MI6 there is a strong suspicion that the
Russians organised the murder.
Since the UK spy services had already capitalized everything the man
told them, he no longer had a value for them in the living form, so
there is a strong suspicion that they utilized him in the form of a
tool for a psyop.
Post by Andrew Swallow
What should Britain do about this?
Starting World War 3 would be a bit of an over reaction. Other
Expel all Russian diplomats.
Make transferring money from Russia difficult.
Ban Russian citizens from the UK. Some very very rich Russians have
homes in London.
Ban imports from Russia.
Learn to conduct a proper investigation before making accusations.
That is all the investigation Russia would get before NATO started
World War 3.
Your rulers won't start WW3 this way.
They need 'Russia' primarily to keep their own populace in shape.
Post by Andrew Swallow
MI5 would not dare use such a weapon in the UK. It would get caught.
Britain has chosen to perform a full investigation. Such
investigations can last 4 or 5 years. The inquest will be held in public.
It's already a joke, and you're not the first delusional British who
tells me about some thing "it is impossible in Britain, you simply don't
know us", and then I see that the thing is still possible.
False accusations will not work.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-03-12 23:12:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
In Britain two people are critically ill and a policemen is in
intensive care due to an attack using nerve gas. The British police
are holding a major investigation.
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43337962>
Nerve gas is difficult to get hold off so the assassin almost
certainly worked for a government agency.
MI5, for example.
Post by Andrew Swallow
Since one of the dead people is Sergei Skripol who a Russian spy
that was recruited by MI6 there is a strong suspicion that the
Russians organised the murder.
Since the UK spy services had already capitalized everything the man
told them, he no longer had a value for them in the living form, so
there is a strong suspicion that they utilized him in the form of a
tool for a psyop.
Post by Andrew Swallow
What should Britain do about this?
Starting World War 3 would be a bit of an over reaction. Other
Expel all Russian diplomats.
Make transferring money from Russia difficult.
Ban Russian citizens from the UK. Some very very rich Russians have
homes in London.
Ban imports from Russia.
Learn to conduct a proper investigation before making accusations.
That is all the investigation Russia would get before NATO started
World War 3.
Your rulers won't start WW3 this way.
They need 'Russia' primarily to keep their own populace in shape.
Post by Andrew Swallow
MI5 would not dare use such a weapon in the UK. It would get caught.
Britain has chosen to perform a full investigation. Such
investigations can last 4 or 5 years. The inquest will be held in public.
It's already a joke, and you're not the first delusional British who
tells me about some thing "it is impossible in Britain, you simply don't
know us", and then I see that the thing is still possible.
False accusations will not work.
You are naive.
george152
2018-03-13 04:05:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
In Britain two people are critically ill and a policemen is in
intensive care due to an attack using nerve gas. The British
police are holding a major investigation.
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43337962>
Nerve gas is difficult to get hold off so the assassin almost
certainly worked for a government agency.
MI5, for example.
Post by Andrew Swallow
Since one of the dead people is Sergei Skripol who a Russian spy
that was recruited by MI6 there is a strong suspicion that the
Russians organised the murder.
Since the UK spy services had already capitalized everything the
man told them, he no longer had a value for them in the living
form, so there is a strong suspicion that they utilized him in the
form of a tool for a psyop.
Post by Andrew Swallow
What should Britain do about this?
Starting World War 3 would be a bit of an over reaction. Other
Expel all Russian diplomats.
Make transferring money from Russia difficult.
Ban Russian citizens from the UK. Some very very rich Russians
have homes in London.
Ban imports from Russia.
Learn to conduct a proper investigation before making accusations.
That is all the investigation Russia would get before NATO started
World War 3.
Your rulers won't start WW3 this way.
They need 'Russia' primarily to keep their own populace in shape.
Post by Andrew Swallow
MI5 would not dare use such a weapon in the UK. It would get caught.
Britain has chosen to perform a full investigation. Such
investigations can last 4 or 5 years. The inquest will be held in public.
It's already a joke, and you're not the first delusional British who
tells me about some thing "it is impossible in Britain, you simply
don't know us", and then I see that the thing is still possible.
False accusations will not work.
You are naive.
The Russian denial service up and running

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2018-03-13 09:24:35 UTC
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Post by george152
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
In Britain two people are critically ill and a policemen is in
intensive care due to an attack using nerve gas. The British
police are holding a major investigation.
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43337962>
Nerve gas is difficult to get hold off so the assassin almost
certainly worked for a government agency.
MI5, for example.
Post by Andrew Swallow
Since one of the dead people is Sergei Skripol who a Russian spy
that was recruited by MI6 there is a strong suspicion that the
Russians organised the murder.
Since the UK spy services had already capitalized everything the
man told them, he no longer had a value for them in the living
form, so there is a strong suspicion that they utilized him in the
form of a tool for a psyop.
Post by Andrew Swallow
What should Britain do about this?
Starting World War 3 would be a bit of an over reaction. Other
Expel all Russian diplomats.
Make transferring money from Russia difficult.
Ban Russian citizens from the UK. Some very very rich Russians
have homes in London.
Ban imports from Russia.
Learn to conduct a proper investigation before making accusations.
That is all the investigation Russia would get before NATO started
World War 3.
Your rulers won't start WW3 this way.
They need 'Russia' primarily to keep their own populace in shape.
Post by Andrew Swallow
MI5 would not dare use such a weapon in the UK. It would get caught.
Britain has chosen to perform a full investigation. Such
investigations can last 4 or 5 years. The inquest will be held in public.
It's already a joke, and you're not the first delusional British who
tells me about some thing "it is impossible in Britain, you simply
don't know us", and then I see that the thing is still possible.
False accusations will not work.
You are naive.
The Russian denial service up and running
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What is the literal meaning of the Russian Phrae translated as "kick the bucket"? What is it in Russain?
abelard
2018-03-13 10:20:44 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 02:24:35 -0700 (PDT), saracene
Post by saracene
Post by george152
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
In Britain two people are critically ill and a policemen is in
intensive care due to an attack using nerve gas. The British
police are holding a major investigation.
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43337962>
Nerve gas is difficult to get hold off so the assassin almost
certainly worked for a government agency.
MI5, for example.
Post by Andrew Swallow
Since one of the dead people is Sergei Skripol who a Russian spy
that was recruited by MI6 there is a strong suspicion that the
Russians organised the murder.
Since the UK spy services had already capitalized everything the
man told them, he no longer had a value for them in the living
form, so there is a strong suspicion that they utilized him in the
form of a tool for a psyop.
Post by Andrew Swallow
What should Britain do about this?
Starting World War 3 would be a bit of an over reaction. Other
Expel all Russian diplomats.
Make transferring money from Russia difficult.
Ban Russian citizens from the UK. Some very very rich Russians
have homes in London.
Ban imports from Russia.
Learn to conduct a proper investigation before making accusations.
That is all the investigation Russia would get before NATO started
World War 3.
Your rulers won't start WW3 this way.
They need 'Russia' primarily to keep their own populace in shape.
Post by Andrew Swallow
MI5 would not dare use such a weapon in the UK. It would get caught.
Britain has chosen to perform a full investigation. Such
investigations can last 4 or 5 years. The inquest will be held in public.
It's already a joke, and you're not the first delusional British who
tells me about some thing "it is impossible in Britain, you simply
don't know us", and then I see that the thing is still possible.
False accusations will not work.
You are naive.
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What is the literal meaning of the Russian Phrae translated as "kick the bucket"? What is it in Russain?
i don't think he used those words...in siamese or rooshian

i'm unreliably told he used a form like:-

“Whatever they got in exchange for it, those 30 pieces of silver they
were given, they will choke on them.”

which is supposedly a more direct translation of the sanskrit version
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saracene
2018-03-13 11:11:27 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 02:24:35 -0700 (PDT), saracene
Post by saracene
Post by george152
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Andrew Swallow
In Britain two people are critically ill and a policemen is in
intensive care due to an attack using nerve gas. The British
police are holding a major investigation.
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43337962>
Nerve gas is difficult to get hold off so the assassin almost
certainly worked for a government agency.
MI5, for example.
Post by Andrew Swallow
Since one of the dead people is Sergei Skripol who a Russian spy
that was recruited by MI6 there is a strong suspicion that the
Russians organised the murder.
Since the UK spy services had already capitalized everything the
man told them, he no longer had a value for them in the living
form, so there is a strong suspicion that they utilized him in the
form of a tool for a psyop.
Post by Andrew Swallow
What should Britain do about this?
Starting World War 3 would be a bit of an over reaction. Other
Expel all Russian diplomats.
Make transferring money from Russia difficult.
Ban Russian citizens from the UK. Some very very rich Russians
have homes in London.
Ban imports from Russia.
Learn to conduct a proper investigation before making accusations.
That is all the investigation Russia would get before NATO started
World War 3.
Your rulers won't start WW3 this way.
They need 'Russia' primarily to keep their own populace in shape.
Post by Andrew Swallow
MI5 would not dare use such a weapon in the UK. It would get caught.
Britain has chosen to perform a full investigation. Such
investigations can last 4 or 5 years. The inquest will be held in public.
It's already a joke, and you're not the first delusional British who
tells me about some thing "it is impossible in Britain, you simply
don't know us", and then I see that the thing is still possible.
False accusations will not work.
You are naive.
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What is the literal meaning of the Russian Phrae translated as "kick the bucket"? What is it in Russain?
i don't think he used those words...in siamese or rooshian
i'm unreliably told he used a form like:-
“Whatever they got in exchange for it, those 30 pieces of silver they
were given, they will choke on them.”
which is supposedly a more direct translation of the sanskrit version
Could we perhaps do a tit for tat so some British traitors living in Russia can be induced to kick the proberbial bucket? See how cleverly we can play this new great game. There's George Blake, but he's 90 and that wouldn't be much of a triumph. Has anyone got a list of possible targets?
Oleg Smirnov
2018-03-10 20:46:44 UTC
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Apart from those tried and tested (good) ideas, there is also the idea
of investigating thoroughly and impartialy. I hope that comes to
fruition. It would be nice to have an official investigation that is
plausible, not merely made to sound so.
Of course the situation would not exist if Russia didn't go paranoid at
all turns of the compass..
There is a history of attacks on Russian dissidents in the UK..
This guy started to spy for the MI6 solely for money, not because of dissident.

Litvinenko wasn't a dissident too.
george152
2018-03-10 21:27:37 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
Apart from those tried and tested (good) ideas, there is also the idea
of investigating thoroughly and impartialy. I hope that comes to
fruition. It would be nice to have an official investigation that is
plausible, not merely made to sound so.
Of course the situation would not exist if Russia didn't go paranoid at
all turns of the compass..
There is a history of attacks on Russian dissidents in the UK..
This guy started to spy for the MI6 solely for money, not because of dissident.
Litvinenko wasn't a dissident too.
Russia very heavy on the denial this morning.
I look forward to the evidence from, let's say, the refugees from
Operation "East wind" or failing that survivors from Operation "Keel Haul"
Or any other victims from the Yalta agreements

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saracene
2018-03-10 22:34:19 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
Apart from those tried and tested (good) ideas, there is also the idea
of investigating thoroughly and impartialy. I hope that comes to
fruition. It would be nice to have an official investigation that is
plausible, not merely made to sound so.
Of course the situation would not exist if Russia didn't go paranoid at
all turns of the compass..
There is a history of attacks on Russian dissidents in the UK..
This guy started to spy for the MI6 solely for money, not because of dissident.
Litvinenko wasn't a dissident too.
Not too, either.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-03-11 12:51:25 UTC
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Post by saracene
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Apart from those tried and tested (good) ideas, there is also the idea
of investigating thoroughly and impartialy. I hope that comes to
fruition. It would be nice to have an official investigation that is
plausible, not merely made to sound so.
Of course the situation would not exist if Russia didn't go paranoid at
all turns of the compass..
There is a history of attacks on Russian dissidents in the UK..
This guy started to spy for the MI6 solely for money, not because of dissident.
Litvinenko wasn't a dissident too.
Not too, either.
I can explain it the British one more time.

Litvinenko served in the FSB, and in 1994 he became close to corrupt oligarch
Berezovski, who infected him with corruption as well. Generally, the 90s was a
time of disorder, misery, demoralization and widespread corruption in Russia.
Litvinenko get money from Berezovski for private assignments, which he could
perform using his FSB position, he became involved in some clan feuds. Besides
that, he was quite unscrupulous with regard to his FSB officer's duties. FSB's
own security departament, in 1997, began an investigation into Litvinenko's
abuses. Development of the investigation led to the fact that he was fired,
and in 1999 official charges were brought against him. He was accused of abuse
of violence against detainees, fabrication of evidence and illicit
manipulations with firearms and explosives. Howeverm, his abuses were not so
serious to make him expect a severe punishment. If Litvinenko had cooperated
with the investigation, then the court could assign him imprisonment for a
year, or maybe a suspended sentence. However, at the time he switched to work
mainly for Berezovski, and he chose to fled Russia around the same time when
Berezovski also did it. He began to simulate dissident and freedom fighter only
while already in London, and that's what Berezovski paid him for.

The above story is not a dissent, this is rather a story of a corrupt person
who chose to play dissident - in an indecent way - in order to make a living in
exile after his career failed at home.

In turn, the UK authorities, who love to collect various garbage arriving from
Russia in their [small] island, should have been aware of the known fact that
garbage tends to become toxic sometimes.

HTH
saracene
2018-03-11 14:46:01 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by saracene
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Apart from those tried and tested (good) ideas, there is also the idea
of investigating thoroughly and impartialy. I hope that comes to
fruition. It would be nice to have an official investigation that is
plausible, not merely made to sound so.
Of course the situation would not exist if Russia didn't go paranoid at
all turns of the compass..
There is a history of attacks on Russian dissidents in the UK..
This guy started to spy for the MI6 solely for money, not because of dissident.
Litvinenko wasn't a dissident too.
Not too, either.
I can explain it the British one more time.
Litvinenko served in the FSB, and in 1994 he became close to corrupt oligarch
Berezovski, who infected him with corruption as well. Generally, the 90s was a
time of disorder, misery, demoralization and widespread corruption in Russia.
Litvinenko get money from Berezovski for private assignments, which he could
perform using his FSB position, he became involved in some clan feuds. Besides
that, he was quite unscrupulous with regard to his FSB officer's duties. FSB's
own security departament, in 1997, began an investigation into Litvinenko's
abuses. Development of the investigation led to the fact that he was fired,
and in 1999 official charges were brought against him. He was accused of abuse
of violence against detainees, fabrication of evidence and illicit
manipulations with firearms and explosives. Howeverm, his abuses were not so
serious to make him expect a severe punishment. If Litvinenko had cooperated
with the investigation, then the court could assign him imprisonment for a
year, or maybe a suspended sentence. However, at the time he switched to work
mainly for Berezovski, and he chose to fled Russia around the same time when
Berezovski also did it. He began to simulate dissident and freedom fighter only
while already in London, and that's what Berezovski paid him for.
The above story is not a dissent, this is rather a story of a corrupt person
who chose to play dissident - in an indecent way - in order to make a living in
exile after his career failed at home.
In turn, the UK authorities, who love to collect various garbage arriving from
Russia in their [small] island, should have been aware of the known fact that
garbage tends to become toxic sometimes.
HTH
I was just correcting your Engish grammar. Neverhteless the assassination oth polonium was very out of order. So is this latest one. It endangers ordihnary Britith citizens. We never tried anything like that on Philby.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-03-11 21:29:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by saracene
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by saracene
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Apart from those tried and tested (good) ideas, there is also the idea
of investigating thoroughly and impartialy. I hope that comes to
fruition. It would be nice to have an official investigation that is
plausible, not merely made to sound so.
Of course the situation would not exist if Russia didn't go paranoid at
all turns of the compass..
There is a history of attacks on Russian dissidents in the UK..
This guy started to spy for the MI6 solely for money, not because of dissident.
Litvinenko wasn't a dissident too.
Not too, either.
I can explain it the British one more time.
Litvinenko served in the FSB, and in 1994 he became close to corrupt
oligarch Berezovski, who infected him with corruption as well. Generally,
the 90s was a time of disorder, misery, demoralization and widespread
corruption in Russia. Litvinenko get money from Berezovski for private
assignments, which he could perform using his FSB position, he became
involved in some clan feuds. Besides that, he was quite unscrupulous with
regard to his FSB officer's duties. FSB's own security departament, in
1997, began an investigation into Litvinenko's abuses. Development of the
investigation led to the fact that he was fired, and in 1999 official
charges were brought against him. He was accused of abuse of violence
against detainees, fabrication of evidence and illicit manipulations with
firearms and explosives. Howeverm, his abuses were not so serious to make
him expect a severe punishment. If Litvinenko had cooperated with the
investigation, then the court could assign him imprisonment for a year,
or maybe a suspended sentence. However, at the time he switched to work
mainly for Berezovski, and he chose to fled Russia around the same time
when Berezovski also did it. He began to simulate dissident and freedom
fighter only while already in London, and that's what Berezovski paid him
for.
The above story is not a dissent, this is rather a story of a corrupt person
who chose to play dissident - in an indecent way - in order to make a living
in exile after his career failed at home.
In turn, the UK authorities, who love to collect various garbage arriving
from Russia in their [small] island, should have been aware of the known
fact that garbage tends to become toxic sometimes.
HTH
I was just correcting your Engish grammar. Neverhteless the assassination oth
polonium was very out of order. So is this latest one. It endangers ordihnary
Britith citizens. We never tried anything like that on Philby.
The ordinary British need some more time to become
less gullible towards their island shamans and abandon
some wrong obsolete beliefs.
abelard
2018-03-12 09:55:19 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
The ordinary British need some more time to become
less gullible towards their island shamans and abandon
some wrong obsolete beliefs.
you're a backward peasant smeary

the fact that you believe you are sophisticated makes you a clown...

that amuses me, despite the fact that people like you are dangerous
clowns by virtue of your absent insight
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george152
2018-03-07 19:39:36 UTC
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Post by Mr. B1ack
Apparently nobody can be found passed-out on a
park bench these days without Putin being involved.
Especially if they were a double agent against Putin and Putins idea of
his dynasty.
Oh and the daughter... no doubt you'll have a reason for Putin killing
bystanders and family.
The video of them walking through the mall just minutes before they were
found on the park bench showed they were not drunk!

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2018-03-07 20:49:43 UTC
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Post by george152
    Apparently nobody can be found passed-out on a
    park bench these days without Putin being involved.
Especially if they were a double agent against Putin and Putins idea of
his dynasty.
Oh and the daughter... no doubt you'll have a reason for Putin killing
bystanders and family.
The video of them walking through the mall just minutes before they were
found on the park bench showed they were not drunk!
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I fell asleep on a park bench and when I woke up Putin was sitting next
to me..... this could be some real shit.
--
That's Karma

Remember when Obama said "that's NOT who we are" well *this is* who
Democrats are.....
Oleg Smirnov
2018-03-07 21:02:53 UTC
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Post by #BeamMeUpScotty
I fell asleep on a park bench and when I woke up Putin was sitting next
to me..... this could be some real shit.
Russia's election is March 18, while today is 7.

There still are 10 more days for something else to happen.
Byker
2018-03-08 00:07:00 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by #BeamMeUpScotty
I fell asleep on a park bench and when I woke up Putin was sitting next
to me..... this could be some real shit.
Russia's election is March 18, while today is 7.
There still are 10 more days for something else to happen.
Vlad's hired goons could try something that's a little less obvious:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.c922d0f58a39

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/world/europe/russia-spy-nerve-agent.html

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/07/europe/russian-spy-nerve-agent-intl/index.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-ex-spy-sergei-skripal-his-daughter-poisoned-nerve-agent-n854516

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/07/591584976/british-police-say-nerve-agent-was-used-to-poison-russian-ex-spy-sergei-skripal
Oleg Smirnov
2018-03-08 16:10:32 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
Russia's election is March 18, while today is 7.
<http://tinyurl.com/yakc274w> dailymail.co.uk

.. Home Secretary Amber Rudd told .. that enormous resources are being
directed at trying to figure out who might be responsible .. ".. People
are right to want to know who to hold to account. But if we are to be
rigorous in this investigation we must avoid speculation and allow the
police to carry on their investigation." ..

...

It's already late to warn about speculations. The British top officials
had already pointed their finger at 'Russia'. If turns out not to be so,
then they will have to face face-saving issues, so the UK authorities will
try to adjust the investigation in order to make it fitting the already
preestablished narrative. So it makes any further investigation pointless,
because its credibility has already been undermined, and now it all boils
down mainly to PR manipulations. It resembles the Litvinenko case, where
was no proper criminal investigation and trial, a part of materials was
classified, and the main effect was achieved through the mass media noise.

From the perspective of the common sense, the Kremlins, currently, are
heavily preoccupied about the Russian upcoming election's legitimacy and
good-looking, and all this noise is pretty bad for them.

Given this consideration as well as the record of the recent UK-related
machinations aimed at antagonizing Russia, I would rather tend to suspect
that the incident is a psyop implemented by some shadow group or MI5.
abelard
2018-03-08 17:17:28 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Russia's election is March 18, while today is 7.
<http://tinyurl.com/yakc274w> dailymail.co.uk
.. Home Secretary Amber Rudd told .. that enormous resources are being
directed at trying to figure out who might be responsible .. ".. People
are right to want to know who to hold to account. But if we are to be
rigorous in this investigation we must avoid speculation and allow the
police to carry on their investigation." ..
...
It's already late to warn about speculations. The British top officials
had already pointed their finger at 'Russia'.
don't your worry smeary...pootin will stand up for you against
those nasty brits on their small island
and he'll murder all his mafia rivals while waving the rooshian flag
Post by Oleg Smirnov
If turns out not to be so,
then they will have to face face-saving issues, so the UK authorities will
try to adjust the investigation in order to make it fitting the already
preestablished narrative. So it makes any further investigation pointless,
because its credibility has already been undermined, and now it all boils
down mainly to PR manipulations. It resembles the Litvinenko case, where
was no proper criminal investigation and trial, a part of materials was
classified, and the main effect was achieved through the mass media noise.
From the perspective of the common sense, the Kremlins, currently, are
heavily preoccupied about the Russian upcoming election's legitimacy and
good-looking, and all this noise is pretty bad for them.
Given this consideration as well as the record of the recent UK-related
machinations aimed at antagonizing Russia, I would rather tend to suspect
that the incident is a psyop implemented by some shadow group or MI5.
--
www.abelard.org
Oleg Smirnov
2018-03-08 17:30:11 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Russia's election is March 18, while today is 7.
<http://tinyurl.com/yakc274w> dailymail.co.uk
.. Home Secretary Amber Rudd told .. that enormous resources are being
directed at trying to figure out who might be responsible .. ".. People
are right to want to know who to hold to account. But if we are to be
rigorous in this investigation we must avoid speculation and allow the
police to carry on their investigation." ..
...
It's already late to warn about speculations. The British top officials
had already pointed their finger at 'Russia'.
don't your worry smeary...pootin will stand up for you against
those nasty brits on their small island
and he'll murder all his mafia rivals while waving the rooshian flag
Post by Oleg Smirnov
If turns out not to be so,
then they will have to face face-saving issues, so the UK authorities will
try to adjust the investigation in order to make it fitting the already
preestablished narrative. So it makes any further investigation pointless,
because its credibility has already been undermined, and now it all boils
down mainly to PR manipulations. It resembles the Litvinenko case, where
was no proper criminal investigation and trial, a part of materials was
classified, and the main effect was achieved through the mass media noise.
From the perspective of the common sense, the Kremlins, currently, are
heavily preoccupied about the Russian upcoming election's legitimacy and
good-looking, and all this noise is pretty bad for them.
Given this consideration as well as the record of the recent UK-related
machinations aimed at antagonizing Russia, I would rather tend to suspect
that the incident is a psyop implemented by some shadow group or MI5.
I don't consider the Brits en masse nasty (although many of them
infected with wrong beliefs and attitudes), it's rather about the
UK establishment, whose machinations' goal is to manipulate over
the public opinion not only in the UK but primarily in the US and
also in the mainland Europe.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-03-13 09:16:30 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
Russia's election is March 18, while today is 7.
<http://tinyurl.com/ycd7dyer> moonofalabama.org

These agents and their formulas are not an exclusively Russian knowledge
or product:

One of the key manufacturing sites was the Soviet State
Scientific Research Institute for Organic Chemistry and
Technology (GosNIIOKhT) in Nukus, Uzbekistan. .. Since its
independence in 1991, Uzbekistan has been working with the
government of the United States ..

The formulas for the various Novichok agents are not a Russian secret.
The U.S. and the UK surely know how to make these. The agents are said
to be made from simply components used in civil industrial processes.
The Porton Down chemical weapon laboratory of the British military is
only some 8 miles away from Salisbury where the Skripals were allegedly
poisoned. The British government claims that Porton Down identified the
agent allegedly used on the Skripals. The laboratory is surely also
capable of producing such stuff, just like similar laboratories in other
countries are able to do.

Now lets counter May's claims:

- Novichok agents are claimed to be up to 10 times as toxic as VX. One
drop of VX can kill a person. If the Skripals were poisoned with such
an highly effective agent how come they are still alive?
- The Soviet Union, not Russia, developed such agents. The main work
was done in Uzbekistan.
- Russia is likely able to re-produce such agents but so are many,
many other countries.
- What is Russia's "record of state sponsored assassinations"? The
British claim that "Russia" was somehow involved in the death of MI6
agent Litvinenko is highly dubious <http://clck.ru/CxKtM>. I am not
aware of any other cases. It is indeed a long standing protocol to
never bother spies that have been exchanged.
- If Russia sees "some defectors" as legitimate targets why doesn't it
immediately kill them? Skripal was living openly in the UK since
2010. Why would Russia kill him at all and why now? ..

Read more <http://tinyurl.com/ycd7dyer>

...

I can add to that that it would be better if there was some independent
expertise and examination of the toxic substance, while the allegation of
the UK authorities as such can not be fully trusted.

Also, one must have some perversion within his or her mind to think that
the Kremlin might have a great motivation to do it, moreover, that 'the
Russians' sought to do it in order to enjoy this histerical noise right
before the upcoming presidential election as well as before the upcoming
football world cup in Russia.

In turn, the UK establishment was peviously seen in its sly machinations
and deliberate crippling efforts at a time when something important or
'international' happens in / with regard to Russia. It's the same pattern
again. And it looks like they are interested in playing drama queen while
passion is still hot, not in a proper investigation.
Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/yc4kzap6>
Russian Agents Are Whacking People in London Right, Left, and Center ..
abelard
2018-03-13 10:36:02 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Russia's election is March 18, while today is 7.
<http://tinyurl.com/ycd7dyer> moonofalabama.org
These agents and their formulas are not an exclusively Russian knowledge
One of the key manufacturing sites was the Soviet State
Scientific Research Institute for Organic Chemistry and
Technology (GosNIIOKhT) in Nukus, Uzbekistan. .. Since its
independence in 1991, Uzbekistan has been working with the
government of the United States ..
The formulas for the various Novichok agents are not a Russian secret.
The U.S. and the UK surely know how to make these.
most countries do not have a kgb operative in charge
Post by Oleg Smirnov
The agents are said
to be made from simply components used in civil industrial processes.
The Porton Down chemical weapon laboratory of the British military is
only some 8 miles away from Salisbury where the Skripals were allegedly
poisoned. The British government claims that Porton Down identified the
agent allegedly used on the Skripals. The laboratory is surely also
capable of producing such stuff, just like similar laboratories in other
countries are able to do.
- Novichok agents are claimed to be up to 10 times as toxic as VX. One
drop of VX can kill a person. If the Skripals were poisoned with such
an highly effective agent how come they are still alive?
because your state mafia are incompetent...just like you

vx was formulated nearly 100 years ago
Post by Oleg Smirnov
- The Soviet Union, not Russia, developed such agents. The main work
was done in Uzbekistan.
- Russia is likely able to re-produce such agents but so are many,
many other countries.
- What is Russia's "record of state sponsored assassinations"? The
what is 'rooshia'? your mafiosi 'leaders'...or your poverty stricken
masses outside moscow?
Post by Oleg Smirnov
British claim that "Russia" was somehow involved in the death of MI6
agent Litvinenko is highly dubious <http://clck.ru/CxKtM>. I am not
aware of any other cases. It is indeed a long standing protocol to
never bother spies that have been exchanged.
- If Russia sees "some defectors" as legitimate targets why doesn't it
immediately kill them?
because they want to use them as swapsies
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Skripal was living openly in the UK since
2010. Why would Russia kill him at all and why now? ..
because idiots like you believe that makes him 'strong'
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Read more <http://tinyurl.com/ycd7dyer>
I can add to that that it would be better if there was some independent
expertise and examination of the toxic substance, while the allegation of
the UK authorities as such can not be fully trusted.
and pootin can!!
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Also, one must have some perversion within his or her mind to think that
the Kremlin might have a great motivation to do it, moreover, that 'the
Russians' sought to do it in order to enjoy this histerical noise right
before the upcoming presidential election as well as before the upcoming
football world cup in Russia.
which is why he spent so much of the people's money on sochi

and why he goes around posing for soft porn mags
Post by Oleg Smirnov
In turn, the UK establishment was peviously seen in its sly machinations
and deliberate crippling efforts at a time when something important or
'international' happens in / with regard to Russia. It's the same pattern
again. And it looks like they are interested in playing drama queen while
passion is still hot, not in a proper investigation.
'rooshia' is a bluddy nuisance to 'the international order'
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/yc4kzap6>
Russian Agents Are Whacking People in London Right, Left, and Center ..
--
www.abelard.org
Oleg Smirnov
2018-03-13 11:23:53 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Also, one must have some perversion within his or her mind to think that
the Kremlin might have a great motivation to do it, moreover, that 'the
Russians' sought to do it in order to enjoy this histerical noise right
before the upcoming presidential election as well as before the upcoming
football world cup in Russia.
which is why he spent so much of the people's money on sochi
and why he goes around posing for soft porn mags
Yawn.

What do your silly aboriginal beliefs have to do with reality?

It was repeatedly explained that those money were spent on the
complex development of the Sochi area, not only on the olympics
as such.

The pictures of Putin riding horses and going bare chested
were published in Russia once or twice, with no fuss, while the
'western' MSM raised very big noise around this stuff and turned
it into big deal and a fetish, and brainwashed their audience
about incredinble importance of those pictures in Russia.

So if you are an ignorant tribe brainwashed by your shamans and
living within a bubble of deluison, then it is your own problem
rather than a justification for anything.
saracene
2018-03-13 11:29:12 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
The pictures of Putin riding horses and going bare chested
were published in Russia once or twice, with no fuss, while the
'western' MSM raised very big noise around this stuff and turned
it into big deal and a fetish, and brainwashed their audience
about incredinble importance of those pictures in Russia.
They made us laugh. You don't get the British sense of humour. He's had plastic surgery hasn't he? That doesn't imporess us either.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-03-13 11:34:47 UTC
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Post by saracene
Post by Oleg Smirnov
The pictures of Putin riding horses and going bare chested
were published in Russia once or twice, with no fuss, while the
'western' MSM raised very big noise around this stuff and turned
it into big deal and a fetish, and brainwashed their audience
about incredinble importance of those pictures in Russia.
They made us laugh. You don't get the British sense of humour. He's had
plastic surgery hasn't he? That doesn't imporess us either.
The British have some strong tribalist taboos that make
them contradict about their true self, and it also makes
them easily manipulatable by their shamans.
saracene
2018-03-13 14:09:47 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by saracene
Post by Oleg Smirnov
The pictures of Putin riding horses and going bare chested
were published in Russia once or twice, with no fuss, while the
'western' MSM raised very big noise around this stuff and turned
it into big deal and a fetish, and brainwashed their audience
about incredinble importance of those pictures in Russia.
They made us laugh. You don't get the British sense of humour. He's had
plastic surgery hasn't he? That doesn't imporess us either.
The British have some strong tribalist taboos that make
them contradict about their true self, and it also makes
them easily manipulatable by their shamans.
Who would you identify as our shamans? And what is our true self?
Incubus
2018-03-13 14:35:24 UTC
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Post by saracene
Post by saracene
The pictures of Putin riding horses and going bare chested were published
in Russia once or twice, with no fuss, while the 'western' MSM raised
very big noise around this stuff and turned it into big deal and a
fetish, and brainwashed their audience about incredinble importance of
those pictures in Russia.
They made us laugh. You don't get the British sense of humour. He's had
plastic surgery hasn't he? That doesn't imporess us either.
The British have some strong tribalist taboos that make them contradict
about their true self, and it also makes them easily manipulatable by their
shamans.
Who would you identify as our shamans? And what is our true self?
I have Oleg killfiled. Maybe some of what he said doesn't translate very well
but what a nutter.

Juergen Nieveler
2018-03-13 12:28:38 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by Oleg Smirnov
The formulas for the various Novichok agents are not a Russian secret.
The U.S. and the UK surely know how to make these.
most countries do not have a kgb operative in charge
The USA were for 8 years governed by a former head of the CIA...
Post by abelard
vx was formulated nearly 100 years ago
Uh... WHAT? Please, that's ridiculous... get your facts straight.

The chemists Ranajit Ghosh and J.F. Newman discovered the V-series nerve
agents at the British firm ICI in 1952.
--
Juergen Nieveler
abelard
2018-03-13 13:58:11 UTC
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 13:28:38 +0100, Juergen Nieveler
Post by Juergen Nieveler
Post by abelard
Post by Oleg Smirnov
The formulas for the various Novichok agents are not a Russian secret.
The U.S. and the UK surely know how to make these.
most countries do not have a kgb operative in charge
The USA were for 8 years governed by a former head of the CIA...
the cia is not the kgb
bush was cia director for 1 year and sacked by peanuts
he served 4 years as president

who is going to sack pootin?
Post by Juergen Nieveler
Post by abelard
vx was formulated nearly 100 years ago
Uh... WHAT? Please, that's ridiculous... get your facts straight.
The chemists Ranajit Ghosh and J.F. Newman discovered the V-series nerve
agents at the British firm ICI in 1952.
as if i care
nerve agents go back over a century...
nearly 100 years suits me fine

you moral relativism is showing as you try to support
the unspeakable
--
www.abelard.org
Oleg Smirnov
2018-03-13 11:19:53 UTC
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<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43381880>

.. Deadline for Moscow over spy poison attack

Moscow must explain why a Russian-made nerve agent was used in the
poisoning of former Russian agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter by
the end of Tuesday, Theresa May said. ..

...

"Deadline", my ass.

Hysteria and arrogance is a bad combination.

Moscow already has explained that they consider the UK government's
behavior 'circus', and hardly more comments will follow until the UK
officials become able to communicate in a reasonable manner.
Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/yc4kzap6>
Russian Agents Are Whacking People in London Right, Left, and Center ..
johnny-knowall
2018-03-13 11:36:28 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43381880>
.. Deadline for Moscow over spy poison attack
Moscow must explain why a Russian-made nerve agent was used in the
poisoning of former Russian agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter by
the end of Tuesday, Theresa May said. ..
...
"Deadline", my ass.
Hysteria and arrogance is a bad combination.
Moscow already has explained that they consider the UK government's
behavior 'circus', and hardly more comments will follow until the UK
officials become able to communicate in a reasonable manner.
Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/yc4kzap6>
Russian Agents Are Whacking People in London Right, Left, and Center ..
The British “authorities” had declared the culprit was Russia to the BBC
about an hour after the incident happened, when they knew virtually nothing
about it.

It reminds me of the McCann case, when the first thing the mother said after
realising her daughter was missing was “they’ve taken her”.

Presumably, there is a level of human being far above the normal pleb; who
can make an accurate judgement of cause, effect and, accused in the instant
after any crime?
abelard
2018-03-13 11:59:00 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43381880>
.. Deadline for Moscow over spy poison attack
Moscow must explain why a Russian-made nerve agent was used in the
poisoning of former Russian agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter by
the end of Tuesday, Theresa May said. ..
because it is easier to smuggle through customs

because it 'sends a message'

you live in a failed and backward state smeary...like any african ,
that make you feel inferior and thus paranoid...

your only source of wealth is natural resources and the usa is now
ramping up fossil fuel production which is lowering the value
of your kleptocrats...

rooshia is in a very bad way..and your leaders are struggling
desperately to distract your attention from the real causes
Post by Oleg Smirnov
"Deadline", my ass.
Hysteria and arrogance is a bad combination.
Moscow already has explained that they consider the UK government's
behavior 'circus', and hardly more comments will follow until the UK
officials become able to communicate in a reasonable manner.
Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/yc4kzap6>
Russian Agents Are Whacking People in London Right, Left, and Center ..
--
www.abelard.org
PaxPerPoten
2018-03-08 19:07:52 UTC
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Post by Mr. B1ack
Post by abelard
Post by Mr. B1ack
Post by Byker
"Police were probing his exposure to an unknown substance, which left him
unconscious on a bench in the city of Salisbury and saw media draw parallels
to the case of Alexander Litvinenko, an ex-spy who died of radioactive
polonium poisoning in 2006. British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson warned
on Tuesday (Mar. 6) that London would respond "robustly" if it emerged that
a government was behind the suspected poisoning."
https://tinyurl.com/yb27kta8
https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0b8e413c93c0
The "unknown substance" was probably cheap gin.
sounds more like a bute type substance...so far
Apparently nobody can be found passed-out on a
park bench these days without Putin being involved.
Obviously it was some kind of plot to keep the Democrats from winning...
Put Mueller on this right now..and with a blank check from the taxpayers.
--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
Byker
2018-03-08 00:06:47 UTC
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Post by Mr. B1ack
Post by Byker
"Police were probing his exposure to an unknown substance, which left him
unconscious on a bench in the city of Salisbury and saw media draw parallels
to the case of Alexander Litvinenko, an ex-spy who died of radioactive
polonium poisoning in 2006. British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson warned
on Tuesday (Mar. 6) that London would respond "robustly" if it emerged that
a government was behind the suspected poisoning."
https://tinyurl.com/yb27kta8
https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0b8e413c93c0
The "unknown substance" was probably cheap gin.
They'll be lucky to survive the hangover...
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Russian ex-spy victim of attempted murder with nerve agent: UK police

Scientific tests by government experts have identified the specific nerve
agent used, "which will help identify the source" police said.

08 Mar 2018

LONDON: The former Russian double-agent who collapsed in a British town
alongside his daughter was the victim of attempted murder with a nerve
agent, police said on Wednesday (Mar 7).

"This is being treated as a major incident involving attempted murder by
administration of a nerve agent", Metropolitan Police assistant commissioner
Mark Rowley told reporters.

Scientific tests by government experts have identified the specific nerve
agent used, "which will help identify the source" police said, but Rowley
declined to detail it.

"I will not be providing further information at this stage about the exact
substance that has been identified," he added.

Sergei Skripal, who moved to Britain in a 2010 spy swap, is in a critical
condition in hospital along with his daughter Yulia after they collapsed on
a bench outside a shopping centre in the southwestern English city of
Salisbury on Sunday.

A general view shows the main entrance to Salisbury District Hospital in
Salisbury, southern England, where a man and a woman remain in critical
condition which sparked an ongoing major incident which started on Mar 4.
(Chris J Ratcliffe/AFP)

"Sadly, in addition, a police officer, who was one of the first to attend
the scene is now also in a serious condition in hospital," said Rowley.

Hundreds of counter-terrorism detectives deployed to the investigation are
working "around the clock" to create a timeline of the victims' movements,
with "many hours" of CCTV under review, police said.

Interior minister Amber Rudd earlier called for "cool heads" over the
poisoning, which is already being linked with Russia by British politicians
and media.

Police say they are keeping an open mind about what happened, but Foreign
Secretary Boris Johnson on Tuesday alluded to Russia.

He noted the "echoes" with the 2006 poisoning in London of former Russian
spy and Kremlin critic Alexander Litvinenko, which Britain has blamed on
Russia.

Moscow accused politicians and journalists of whipping up anti-Russian
sentiment, with Kremlin foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova telling
reporters the story "was straight away used to boost an anti-Russian
campaign in the media".

Zakharova earlier said Johnson's comments were "wild".

Skripal and his 33-year-old daughter had lunch at a restaurant in Salisbury
before walking to the shopping centre, where witnesses said they appeared
"out of it".

The BBC cited one source as saying that Skripal was "not in a good way at
all" by Tuesday night.

Rowley appealed for information from those in Salisbury on Sunday,
particularly those who had visited either the Zizzi pizza restaurant or the
nearby Bishop's Mill pub.

Some other emergency services personnel who treated the pair required
medical treatment, and The Sun newspaper reported that two police officers
had itchy eyes, wheezing and rashes.

Prime Minister Theresa May was updated on the case at a meeting of her
national security council on Tuesday, but has declined to publicly comment
on the ongoing investigation.

However, she confirmed the government might consider a boycott by British
officials and dignitaries of the 2018 football World Cup in Russia if it
were found to have been involved.

"Depending on what comes out in relation to the investigation ... it might
be appropriate for the government to look at whether ministers and other
dignitaries should attend the World Cup in Russia," she said on Wednesday.

The possible boycott - which would not include players - was first raised by
Johnson on Tuesday, when he told MPs that he was not pointing fingers for
Skripal's collapse but made several references to Russia.

He warned Britain would respond "appropriately and robustly" if a government
was found responsible.

Skripal was a former colonel in Russian military intelligence who was jailed
in his country for betraying agents to Britain's MI6 secret service.

He was pardoned before being flown to Britain as part of a high-profile spy
swap involving Russia and the United States in 2010, and has kept a low
profile since.

The Times newspaper reported that police would look into the 2012 death of
Skripal's wife from cancer, and that of his 44-year-old son last year in St
Petersburg, reportedly from liver problems.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/russian-ex-spy-victim-of-attempted-murder-with-nerve-agent-uk-10024052
Mr. B1ack
2018-03-08 02:13:55 UTC
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Post by Byker
Post by Mr. B1ack
Post by Byker
"Police were probing his exposure to an unknown substance, which left him
unconscious on a bench in the city of Salisbury and saw media draw parallels
to the case of Alexander Litvinenko, an ex-spy who died of radioactive
polonium poisoning in 2006. British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson warned
on Tuesday (Mar. 6) that London would respond "robustly" if it emerged that
a government was behind the suspected poisoning."
https://tinyurl.com/yb27kta8
https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0b8e413c93c0
The "unknown substance" was probably cheap gin.
They'll be lucky to survive the hangover...
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Russian ex-spy victim of attempted murder with nerve agent: UK police
Propaganda.
Jeff
2018-03-08 08:09:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mr. B1ack
Post by Byker
Post by Mr. B1ack
Post by Byker
"Police were probing his exposure to an unknown substance, which left him
unconscious on a bench in the city of Salisbury and saw media draw parallels
to the case of Alexander Litvinenko, an ex-spy who died of radioactive
polonium poisoning in 2006. British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson warned
on Tuesday (Mar. 6) that London would respond "robustly" if it emerged that
a government was behind the suspected poisoning."
https://tinyurl.com/yb27kta8
https://www.washingtonpost.com/?utm_term=.0b8e413c93c0
The "unknown substance" was probably cheap gin.
They'll be lucky to survive the hangover...
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Russian ex-spy victim of attempted murder with nerve agent: UK police
Propaganda.
So you are accusing the Metropolitan Police of lying!!!

Jeff
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