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Oh dear. Labour slides again.
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Keema's Nan
2019-09-08 13:00:32 UTC
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The current polls put the Tories on 35% (unchanged) but Labour have dropped
to 21% (down 4) with LibDems on 19% (up 3).

This would give the Tories a majority of 158 - yes that’s

ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY EIGHT.

Sorry remain, but the country don’t seem to like your undemocratic tactics
- and your “oh so clever” strategy has failed miserably.

Now please go away, and prepare for an election in the 2030s, when your
reputation might have recovered enough to be a threat.
abelard
2019-09-08 13:08:58 UTC
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The current polls put the Tories on 35% (unchanged) but Labour have dropped
to 21% (down 4) with LibDems on 19% (up 3).
This would give the Tories a majority of 158 - yes that’s
ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY EIGHT.
Sorry remain, but the country don’t seem to like your undemocratic tactics
- and your “oh so clever” strategy has failed miserably.
Now please go away, and prepare for an election in the 2030s, when your
reputation might have recovered enough to be a threat.
i would hope...and, if people are rational, expect..this to the be
the end of fascist 'new' labour hiatus
and back to the more sensible tory/liberal divide
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Vidcapper
2019-09-08 13:55:36 UTC
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Now please go away, and prepare for an election in the 2030s, when your
reputation might have recovered enough to be a threat.
i would hope...and, if people are rational, expect..this to the be
the end of fascist 'new' labour hiatus
and back to the more sensible tory/liberal divide
New Labour died around 2008 - what Corbyn proposes is Old Labour Mk2.
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abelard
2019-09-08 14:03:59 UTC
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Now please go away, and prepare for an election in the 2030s, when your
reputation might have recovered enough to be a threat.
i would hope...and, if people are rational, expect..this to the be
the end of fascist 'new' labour hiatus
and back to the more sensible tory/liberal divide
New Labour died around 2008 - what Corbyn proposes is Old Labour Mk2.
any difference is entirely illusory
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Vidcapper
2019-09-09 05:55:08 UTC
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New Labour died around 2008 - what Corbyn proposes is Old Labour Mk2.
any difference is entirely illusory
Not so - people trusted Blair, at least initially - they've not made the
same mistake with Corbyn...
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abelard
2019-09-09 09:11:22 UTC
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New Labour died around 2008 - what Corbyn proposes is Old Labour Mk2.
any difference is entirely illusory
Not so - people trusted Blair, at least initially - they've not made the
same mistake with Corbyn...
'people' trust car salesmen and drive tarmac providers...some
salesmen are better liars than others

some salesmen can fool some people some of the time...other
salesmen can fool others...

bliar destroyed the economy just as surely a agent cob will
if given the opportunity...
bliar did grave damage to the society...

so will cob and his cronies

the end result is always the same...socialism destroys

the religion is no different whoever the pope may be

agent cob is probably brighter than bliar and marginally
more honest...
he's just a mite more mad
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Vidcapper
2019-09-09 14:41:47 UTC
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New Labour died around 2008 - what Corbyn proposes is Old Labour Mk2.
any difference is entirely illusory
Not so - people trusted Blair, at least initially - they've not made the
same mistake with Corbyn...
'people' trust car salesmen and drive tarmac providers...some
salesmen are better liars than others
some salesmen can fool some people some of the time...other
salesmen can fool others...
bliar destroyed the economy just as surely a agent cob will
if given the opportunity...
That was more down to Brown, and the general market crash.
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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
abelard
2019-09-09 15:15:09 UTC
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New Labour died around 2008 - what Corbyn proposes is Old Labour Mk2.
any difference is entirely illusory
Not so - people trusted Blair, at least initially - they've not made the
same mistake with Corbyn...
'people' trust car salesmen and drive tarmac providers...some
salesmen are better liars than others
some salesmen can fool some people some of the time...other
salesmen can fool others...
bliar destroyed the economy just as surely a agent cob will
if given the opportunity...
That was more down to Brown, and the general market crash.
nothing to do with 'general market crashing'
bliar and the clown were as guilty as any two burglars
gong equipped

and they destroyed far more than the economy
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Vidcapper
2019-09-10 06:01:24 UTC
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bliar destroyed the economy just as surely a agent cob will
if given the opportunity...
That was more down to Brown, and the general market crash.
nothing to do with 'general market crashing'
bliar and the clown were as guilty as any two burglars
gong equipped
Are you seriously suggesting the economic crash *didn't* make things
worse than they would otherwise have been??
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and they destroyed far more than the economy
For example?
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abelard
2019-09-10 09:17:41 UTC
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bliar destroyed the economy just as surely a agent cob will
if given the opportunity...
That was more down to Brown, and the general market crash.
nothing to do with 'general market crashing'
bliar and the clown were as guilty as any two burglars
gong equipped
Are you seriously suggesting the economic crash *didn't* make things
worse than they would otherwise have been??
many countries escaped 'the crash'


the clown used the banks (and insurance) as a cash cow...
entangling the british economy in the fraudulent us *democrat*
mismanagement was entirely voluntary...(buying their crap
paper)
https://www.abelard.org/economics/fannie_mae_freddie_mac.php

politically promoting the likes of fred the shred...ie encouraging
banks to promote spivs
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and they destroyed far more than the economy
For example?
the undermining of the rule of law...
the destruction of social capital by training(greater numbers) of
people to live off the state


all this was voluntary self-harm...and the religion that encourages
such behaviour is embedded in the fnlp...it is also poisoning
the culture at large
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Vidcapper
2019-09-11 06:16:49 UTC
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Are you seriously suggesting the economic crash *didn't* make things
worse than they would otherwise have been??
many countries escaped 'the crash'
It may have affected them in differing amounts, but no-one was unscathed.
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and they destroyed far more than the economy
For example?
the undermining of the rule of law...
the destruction of social capital by training(greater numbers) of
people to live off the state
Very unspecific 'examples'...
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abelard
2019-09-11 09:58:11 UTC
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Are you seriously suggesting the economic crash *didn't* make things
worse than they would otherwise have been??
many countries escaped 'the crash'
It may have affected them in differing amounts, but no-one was unscathed.
nonsense
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and they destroyed far more than the economy
For example?
the undermining of the rule of law...
the destruction of social capital by training(greater numbers) of
people to live off the state
Very unspecific 'examples'.
it's quite specific enough

if you think i'm going to give you a catalogue of things...
most of which were covered here at the times, you will have to
buy the hardback
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abelard
2019-09-10 09:18:08 UTC
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bliar destroyed the economy just as surely a agent cob will
if given the opportunity...
That was more down to Brown, and the general market crash.
nothing to do with 'general market crashing'
bliar and the clown were as guilty as any two burglars
gong equipped
Are you seriously suggesting the economic crash *didn't* make things
worse than they would otherwise have been??
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and they destroyed far more than the economy
For example?
i've modified this thread title
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Pancho
2019-09-09 17:07:17 UTC
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agent cob is probably brighter than bliar and marginally
more honest...
he's just a mite more mad
A mite more mad? That is an assertion too far.

Cob seems relatively sane, shags a few birds, does his allotment and has
a cushy job as an MP.

His only real mistake was to, against all odds, be elected as leader of
the Labour party.
abelard
2019-09-09 19:48:29 UTC
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agent cob is probably brighter than bliar and marginally
more honest...
he's just a mite more mad
A mite more mad? That is an assertion too far.
Cob seems relatively sane, shags a few birds, does his allotment and has
a cushy job as an MP.
a limited and materialist assessment...
unfortunately he also seeks to bugger up the lives of others
via his mad theories

he wants to grow carrots with a spade rather that a tractor
is his vanity and inefficiency...with luck it keeps home off
the streets and less able to cause widespread social damage
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His only real mistake was to, against all odds, be elected as leader of
the Labour party.
he's been part of the crooked mad religion all his life...
i can't feel sorry for him...
and of course it is going to his pin head as is the way of
such people
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Incubus
2019-09-09 10:42:31 UTC
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Now please go away, and prepare for an election in the 2030s, when your
reputation might have recovered enough to be a threat.
i would hope...and, if people are rational, expect..this to the be
the end of fascist 'new' labour hiatus
and back to the more sensible tory/liberal divide
New Labour died around 2008 - what Corbyn proposes is Old Labour Mk2.
Worse - the CCCP Mk II.
Basil Jet
2019-09-09 17:01:36 UTC
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Now please go away, and prepare for an election in the 2030s, when your
reputation might have recovered enough to be a threat.
i would hope...and, if people are rational, expect..this to the be
the end of fascist 'new' labour hiatus
and back to the more sensible tory/liberal divide
New Labour died around 2008 - what Corbyn proposes is Old Labour Mk2.
Worse - the CCCP Mk II.
I didn't know he was a Remainer.
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Bogshed - Demo's And Rarities 1985-87
abelard
2019-09-09 19:50:43 UTC
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Now please go away, and prepare for an election in the 2030s, when your
reputation might have recovered enough to be a threat.
i would hope...and, if people are rational, expect..this to the be
the end of fascist 'new' labour hiatus
and back to the more sensible tory/liberal divide
New Labour died around 2008 - what Corbyn proposes is Old Labour Mk2.
Worse - the CCCP Mk II.
I didn't know he was a Remainer.
he's not...he's a brexiteer...but megalomania is now clashing with his
insecure beliefs
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Incubus
2019-09-10 08:39:57 UTC
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Now please go away, and prepare for an election in the 2030s, when your
reputation might have recovered enough to be a threat.
i would hope...and, if people are rational, expect..this to the be
the end of fascist 'new' labour hiatus
and back to the more sensible tory/liberal divide
New Labour died around 2008 - what Corbyn proposes is Old Labour Mk2.
Worse - the CCCP Mk II.
I didn't know he was a Remainer.
he's not...he's a brexiteer...but megalomania is now clashing with his
insecure beliefs
Let's be clear - he wishes to leave the EU primarily because it would prevent
his madcap Socialist policies. He isn't a Brexiteer in the true sense of the
word.
abelard
2019-09-10 09:04:58 UTC
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On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 14:00:32 +0100, Keema's Nan
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Now please go away, and prepare for an election in the 2030s, when your
reputation might have recovered enough to be a threat.
i would hope...and, if people are rational, expect..this to the be
the end of fascist 'new' labour hiatus
and back to the more sensible tory/liberal divide
New Labour died around 2008 - what Corbyn proposes is Old Labour Mk2.
Worse - the CCCP Mk II.
I didn't know he was a Remainer.
he's not...he's a brexiteer...but megalomania is now clashing with his
insecure beliefs
Let's be clear - he wishes to leave the EU primarily because it would prevent
his madcap Socialist policies. He isn't a Brexiteer in the true sense of the
word.
i prefer not to read minds...esp one as highly disordered as his
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Incubus
2019-09-10 10:27:53 UTC
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On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 14:00:32 +0100, Keema's Nan
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Now please go away, and prepare for an election in the 2030s, when your
reputation might have recovered enough to be a threat.
i would hope...and, if people are rational, expect..this to the be
the end of fascist 'new' labour hiatus
and back to the more sensible tory/liberal divide
New Labour died around 2008 - what Corbyn proposes is Old Labour Mk2.
Worse - the CCCP Mk II.
I didn't know he was a Remainer.
he's not...he's a brexiteer...but megalomania is now clashing with his
insecure beliefs
Let's be clear - he wishes to leave the EU primarily because it would prevent
his madcap Socialist policies. He isn't a Brexiteer in the true sense of the
word.
i prefer not to read minds...esp one as highly disordered as his
I think we can be reasonably certain that his concern is not for democracy and
that any anti-Globalist sentiment he has is because he adheres to classical
Marxism rather than its more modern form.
abelard
2019-09-10 10:49:39 UTC
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On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 14:00:32 +0100, Keema's Nan
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Now please go away, and prepare for an election in the 2030s, when your
reputation might have recovered enough to be a threat.
i would hope...and, if people are rational, expect..this to the be
the end of fascist 'new' labour hiatus
and back to the more sensible tory/liberal divide
New Labour died around 2008 - what Corbyn proposes is Old Labour Mk2.
Worse - the CCCP Mk II.
I didn't know he was a Remainer.
he's not...he's a brexiteer...but megalomania is now clashing with his
insecure beliefs
Let's be clear - he wishes to leave the EU primarily because it would prevent
his madcap Socialist policies. He isn't a Brexiteer in the true sense of the
word.
i prefer not to read minds...esp one as highly disordered as his
I think we can be reasonably certain that his concern is not for democracy
certainly
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that any anti-Globalist sentiment he has is because he adheres to classical
Marxism rather than its more modern form.
he will act in whatever manner in his muddled brain he believes
increases the power of his dull religion
he's a religious maniac, not an analytic or objective thinker outside
his dopey religion
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JNugent
2019-09-09 18:51:14 UTC
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Now please go away, and prepare for an election in the 2030s, when your
reputation might have recovered enough to be a threat.
i would hope...and, if people are rational, expect..this to the be
     the end of fascist 'new' labour hiatus
and back to the more sensible tory/liberal divide
New Labour died around 2008 - what Corbyn proposes is Old Labour Mk2.
Hello, Paul.

I haven't seen any of your posts for ages.
Vidcapper
2019-09-10 05:58:11 UTC
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Now please go away, and prepare for an election in the 2030s, when your
reputation might have recovered enough to be a threat.
i would hope...and, if people are rational, expect..this to the be
the end of fascist 'new' labour hiatus
and back to the more sensible tory/liberal divide
New Labour died around 2008 - what Corbyn proposes is Old Labour Mk2.
Hello, Paul.
I haven't seen any of your posts for ages.
Hi Jon,

I *have* been posting, just rarely in this group.
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Keema's Nan
2019-09-08 14:00:17 UTC
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The current polls put the Tories on 35% (unchanged) but Labour have dropped
to 21% (down 4) with LibDems on 19% (up 3).
This would give the Tories a majority of 158 - yes that’s
ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY EIGHT.
Sorry remain, but the country don’t seem to like your undemocratic tactics
- and your “oh so clever” strategy has failed miserably.
Now please go away, and prepare for an election in the 2030s, when your
reputation might have recovered enough to be a threat.
i would hope...and, if people are rational, expect..this to the be
the end of fascist 'new' labour hiatus
and back to the more sensible tory/liberal divide
I think the arrogance of the Corbyn supporters has probably upset the
electorate and ruined their chances for decades at least.

But then, who knows what might happen when the extinction rebellion unwashed
get into their 50s and 60s?
abelard
2019-09-08 14:07:37 UTC
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On Sun, 08 Sep 2019 14:00:32 +0100, Keema's Nan
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The current polls put the Tories on 35% (unchanged) but Labour have dropped
to 21% (down 4) with LibDems on 19% (up 3).
This would give the Tories a majority of 158 - yes that’s
ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY EIGHT.
Sorry remain, but the country don’t seem to like your undemocratic tactics
- and your “oh so clever” strategy has failed miserably.
Now please go away, and prepare for an election in the 2030s, when your
reputation might have recovered enough to be a threat.
i would hope...and, if people are rational, expect..this to the be
the end of fascist 'new' labour hiatus
and back to the more sensible tory/liberal divide
I think the arrogance of the Corbyn supporters has probably upset the
electorate and ruined their chances for decades at least.
But then, who knows what might happen when the extinction rebellion unwashed
get into their 50s and 60s?
it is technology(in a very broad sense) that changes society

not philosophy

socialism is just a low grade religion for morons...not a legitimate
political movement...it plays on, and appeals to the uneducated
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Vidcapper
2019-09-09 05:56:57 UTC
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socialism is just a low grade religion for morons...not a legitimate
political movement...it plays on, and appeals to the uneducated
But then what do you propose should alternate in power with Conservatism?
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Joe
2019-09-09 08:31:13 UTC
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socialism is just a low grade religion for morons...not a legitimate
political movement...it plays on, and appeals to the uneducated
But then what do you propose should alternate in power with
Conservatism?
How about a genuinely liberal party, to counterbalance the
authoritarian big-government socialist party that the Conservatives have
been for decades?

And I do mean *liberal*, as in encouraging freedom and the rollback of
regulations, not the authoritarian big-government socialist party which
currently fraudulently uses the word in its name, nor like the spiteful,
intolerant Americans who describe themselves thus.
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Joe
Vidcapper
2019-09-09 14:39:35 UTC
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socialism is just a low grade religion for morons...not a legitimate
political movement...it plays on, and appeals to the uneducated
But then what do you propose should alternate in power with
Conservatism?
How about a genuinely liberal party, to counterbalance the
authoritarian big-government socialist party that the Conservatives have
been for decades?
And I do mean *liberal*, as in encouraging freedom and the rollback of
regulations, not the authoritarian big-government socialist party which
currently fraudulently uses the word in its name, nor like the spiteful,
intolerant Americans who describe themselves thus.
That would revert us back to the late 19th C, by effectively
disenfranchising the working class, and that just isn't gonna happen!
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abelard
2019-09-09 09:16:09 UTC
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socialism is just a low grade religion for morons...not a legitimate
political movement...it plays on, and appeals to the uneducated
But then what do you propose should alternate in power with Conservatism?
some form of liberal party...even the state liberalism of the
dull and fake lib-dems..
the semi nationalism of the like of the snp....

anything but the mentally bankrupt murderous cult of the atheistic
christianist schism that is served by the likes of bliar and
cob...

socialist poisons the minds of dullards and poisons societies
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