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abelard
2020-01-03 19:53:11 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the
dead



Ayatollah Ali Khamenei vowed to carry out 'jihad' against America amid
warnings of a 'devastating war'

you think so?
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Byker
2020-01-03 20:35:38 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the dead
Five birds with one stone. NICE...
PhantomView
2020-01-04 02:29:05 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the dead
Five birds with one stone. NICE...
I saw a tech blurb awhile back saying that the USA was
now using a unique variant of the Hellfire. It does not have
an explosive warhead, instead it extends some steel spikes
at the last millisecond and does all its damage with pure
kinetic energy. This has proven ideal for taking out enemy
vehicles in crowded areas without causing widespread
damage. Sometimes a single vehicle can be targeted and
the rest of the traffic spared. Main use so far had been
against African Islamist leaders.

The photos from Baghdad showed badly damaged vehicles
but ONLY damage in that tight area.
David Edmunds
2020-01-04 14:05:46 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the dead
Five birds with one stone. NICE...
I saw a tech blurb awhile back saying that the USA was
now using a unique variant of the Hellfire. It does not have
an explosive warhead, instead it extends some steel spikes
at the last millisecond and does all its damage with pure
kinetic energy. This has proven ideal for taking out enemy
vehicles in crowded areas without causing widespread
damage. Sometimes a single vehicle can be targeted and
the rest of the traffic spared. Main use so far had been
against African Islamist leaders.
The photos from Baghdad showed badly damaged vehicles
but ONLY damage in that tight area.
Images of the General's body show a very badly burned corpse with some parts detached.

DME
Keema's Nan
2020-01-04 14:17:52 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the dead
Five birds with one stone. NICE...
I saw a tech blurb awhile back saying that the USA was
now using a unique variant of the Hellfire. It does not have
an explosive warhead, instead it extends some steel spikes
at the last millisecond and does all its damage with pure
kinetic energy. This has proven ideal for taking out enemy
vehicles in crowded areas without causing widespread
damage. Sometimes a single vehicle can be targeted and
the rest of the traffic spared. Main use so far had been
against African Islamist leaders.
The photos from Baghdad showed badly damaged vehicles
but ONLY damage in that tight area.
Images of the General's body show a very badly burned corpse with some parts detached.
DME
Did you have a wank?
Ophelia
2020-01-04 20:06:09 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the dead
Five birds with one stone. NICE...
I saw a tech blurb awhile back saying that the USA was
now using a unique variant of the Hellfire. It does not have
an explosive warhead, instead it extends some steel spikes
at the last millisecond and does all its damage with pure
kinetic energy. This has proven ideal for taking out enemy
vehicles in crowded areas without causing widespread
damage. Sometimes a single vehicle can be targeted and
the rest of the traffic spared. Main use so far had been
against African Islamist leaders.
The photos from Baghdad showed badly damaged vehicles
but ONLY damage in that tight area.
Images of the General's body show a very badly burned corpse with some parts
detached.

DME

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But if they smash the car with something like that, they are likely to
explode the fuel tank anyway!

O
Incubus
2020-01-09 11:05:45 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the dead
Five birds with one stone. NICE...
I saw a tech blurb awhile back saying that the USA was
now using a unique variant of the Hellfire. It does not have
an explosive warhead, instead it extends some steel spikes
at the last millisecond and does all its damage with pure
kinetic energy. This has proven ideal for taking out enemy
vehicles in crowded areas without causing widespread
damage. Sometimes a single vehicle can be targeted and
the rest of the traffic spared. Main use so far had been
against African Islamist leaders.
The photos from Baghdad showed badly damaged vehicles
but ONLY damage in that tight area.
Images of the General's body show a very badly burned corpse with some parts detached.
DME
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But if they smash the car with something like that, they are likely to
explode the fuel tank anyway!
I think the idea that fuel tanks explode is a Hollywood myth. Mythbusters
(IIRC) did an experiment where they shot petrol tanks to prove that they don't
explode.

Petrol itself is an accelerent, not an explosive, and it is the vapour that
burns rather than the liquid.
Ophelia
2020-01-09 16:52:15 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the dead
Five birds with one stone. NICE...
I saw a tech blurb awhile back saying that the USA was
now using a unique variant of the Hellfire. It does not have
an explosive warhead, instead it extends some steel spikes
at the last millisecond and does all its damage with pure
kinetic energy. This has proven ideal for taking out enemy
vehicles in crowded areas without causing widespread
damage. Sometimes a single vehicle can be targeted and
the rest of the traffic spared. Main use so far had been
against African Islamist leaders.
The photos from Baghdad showed badly damaged vehicles
but ONLY damage in that tight area.
Images of the General's body show a very badly burned corpse with some parts
detached.
DME
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But if they smash the car with something like that, they are likely to
explode the fuel tank anyway!
I think the idea that fuel tanks explode is a Hollywood myth. Mythbusters
(IIRC) did an experiment where they shot petrol tanks to prove that they
don't
explode.

Petrol itself is an accelerent, not an explosive, and it is the vapour that
burns rather than the liquid.

===

Thanks. D. (former explosives instructor) explained it to me thus:

Yes, putting a bullet through a petrol tank is unlikely to cause it to
explode but that is very different from crushing large parts of the vehicle
with a missile, thus generating intense pressure and a massive amount of
heat generated by metal on metal friction. If the missile smashes the front
of the vehicle rather than the whole thing, and particularly the petrol tank
then you 'might' not get an explosion, simply a fireball, but the overall
effect on the occupants, and sometimes others nearby, isn't a lot different.
Incubus
2020-01-09 17:01:39 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the dead
Five birds with one stone. NICE...
I saw a tech blurb awhile back saying that the USA was
now using a unique variant of the Hellfire. It does not have
an explosive warhead, instead it extends some steel spikes
at the last millisecond and does all its damage with pure
kinetic energy. This has proven ideal for taking out enemy
vehicles in crowded areas without causing widespread
damage. Sometimes a single vehicle can be targeted and
the rest of the traffic spared. Main use so far had been
against African Islamist leaders.
The photos from Baghdad showed badly damaged vehicles
but ONLY damage in that tight area.
Images of the General's body show a very badly burned corpse with some parts
detached.
DME
====
But if they smash the car with something like that, they are likely to
explode the fuel tank anyway!
I think the idea that fuel tanks explode is a Hollywood myth. Mythbusters
(IIRC) did an experiment where they shot petrol tanks to prove that they don't
explode.
Petrol itself is an accelerent, not an explosive, and it is the vapour that
burns rather than the liquid.
===
Yes, putting a bullet through a petrol tank is unlikely to cause it to
explode but that is very different from crushing large parts of the vehicle
with a missile, thus generating intense pressure and a massive amount of
heat generated by metal on metal friction. If the missile smashes the front
of the vehicle rather than the whole thing, and particularly the petrol tank
then you 'might' not get an explosion, simply a fireball, but the overall
effect on the occupants, and sometimes others nearby, isn't a lot different.
Yes, that makes sense. In fact, it brings to mind the Ford Pinto:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a6700/top-automotive-engineering-failures-ford-pinto-fuel-tanks/
Ophelia
2020-01-09 21:21:58 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the dead
Five birds with one stone. NICE...
I saw a tech blurb awhile back saying that the USA was
now using a unique variant of the Hellfire. It does not have
an explosive warhead, instead it extends some steel spikes
at the last millisecond and does all its damage with pure
kinetic energy. This has proven ideal for taking out enemy
vehicles in crowded areas without causing widespread
damage. Sometimes a single vehicle can be targeted and
the rest of the traffic spared. Main use so far had been
against African Islamist leaders.
The photos from Baghdad showed badly damaged vehicles
but ONLY damage in that tight area.
Images of the General's body show a very badly burned corpse with some parts
detached.
DME
====
But if they smash the car with something like that, they are likely to
explode the fuel tank anyway!
I think the idea that fuel tanks explode is a Hollywood myth. Mythbusters
(IIRC) did an experiment where they shot petrol tanks to prove that they don't
explode.
Petrol itself is an accelerent, not an explosive, and it is the vapour that
burns rather than the liquid.
===
Yes, putting a bullet through a petrol tank is unlikely to cause it to
explode but that is very different from crushing large parts of the vehicle
with a missile, thus generating intense pressure and a massive amount of
heat generated by metal on metal friction. If the missile smashes the front
of the vehicle rather than the whole thing, and particularly the petrol tank
then you 'might' not get an explosion, simply a fireball, but the overall
effect on the occupants, and sometimes others nearby, isn't a lot different.
Yes, that makes sense. In fact, it brings to mind the Ford Pinto:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a6700/top-automotive-engineering-failures-ford-pinto-fuel-tanks/

===

He says just never drive a Pinto anywhere they are likely to throw
missiles at ya <g>

Byker
2020-01-04 18:16:23 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the dead
Five birds with one stone. NICE...
I saw a tech blurb awhile back saying that the USA was
now using a unique variant of the Hellfire. It does not have
an explosive warhead, instead it extends some steel spikes
at the last millisecond and does all its damage with pure
kinetic energy.
Banzai!:

PhantomView
2020-01-05 02:51:03 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the dead
Five birds with one stone. NICE...
I saw a tech blurb awhile back saying that the USA was
now using a unique variant of the Hellfire. It does not have
an explosive warhead, instead it extends some steel spikes
at the last millisecond and does all its damage with pure
kinetic energy.
Banzai! http://youtu.be/wMb-g5-aRjI
That's it ! Perfect for exact targeting in congested areas.

And they say Americans cannot invent neat stuff anymore ...

But we have nothing to target brain-dead celebs who
apologize to Iran and scream "Please don't hurt us !".
When good people will do nothing against evil, just hide
under the bed, evil wins and a LOT more people get
hurt. Oh yea, Islamists are the ideological opposites
of leftist elitest celebs ... would make sure they were
the first ones up against the wall.
Byker
2020-01-05 04:22:58 UTC
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Banzai! http://youtu.be/wMb-g5-aRjI
That's it ! Perfect for exact targeting in congested areas.
And they say Americans cannot invent neat stuff anymore ...
But we have nothing to target brain-dead celebs who
apologize to Iran and scream "Please don't hurt us !".
When good people will do nothing against evil, just hide
under the bed, evil wins and a LOT more people get
hurt. Oh yea, Islamists are the ideological opposites
of leftist elitest celebs ... would make sure they were
the first ones up against the wall.
I can already hear the boo-hoos from the the Washington Pest:
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David Edmunds
2020-01-04 14:20:48 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the
dead
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei vowed to carry out 'jihad' against America amid
warnings of a 'devastating war'
you think so?
--
www.abelard.org
A war with Iran would be very costly and pretty damn stupid. I would hope and expect that both sides refrain from open warfare. The current mood in Iran is for action, but the Iran of today is a lot smarter than the one we saw in earlier, post revolution days and I think it would take more than killing The General for them to really do react with a head on action.

Even the most Hawkish Americans in power must see that not very much can be gained from further escalation.

If open warfare does break out and if Iran is not completely overwhelmed and most of their systems neutralised very quickly then the Gulf states and Israel could suffer devastating consequences over time.

DME
abelard
2020-01-04 14:23:50 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the
dead
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei vowed to carry out 'jihad' against America amid
warnings of a 'devastating war'
you think so?
A war with Iran would be very costly and pretty damn stupid. I would hope and expect that both sides refrain from open warfare. The current mood in Iran is for action, but the Iran of today is a lot smarter than the one we saw in earlier, post revolution days and I think it would take more than killing The General for them to really do react with a head on action.
Even the most Hawkish Americans in power must see that not very much can be gained from further escalation.
all very well for snowflake theory...but i see no evidence of
trump seeking to 'escalate'
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If open warfare does break out and if Iran is not completely overwhelmed and most of their systems neutralised very quickly then the Gulf states and Israel could suffer devastating consequences over time.
--
www.abelard.org
Keema's Nan
2020-01-04 14:30:45 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the
dead
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei vowed to carry out 'jihad' against America amid
warnings of a 'devastating war'
you think so?
A war with Iran would be very costly and pretty damn stupid. I would hope
and expect that both sides refrain from open warfare. The current mood in
Iran is for action, but the Iran of today is a lot smarter than the one we
saw in earlier, post revolution days and I think it would take more than
killing The General for them to really do react with a head on action.
Even the most Hawkish Americans in power must see that not very much can be
gained from further escalation.
all very well for snowflake theory...but i see no evidence of
trump seeking to 'escalate'
I never realised you had personal access to all of Trump’s activities,
phone calls, emails, etc.

Or are you just delusional?
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Post by David Edmunds
If open warfare does break out and if Iran is not completely overwhelmed
and most of their systems neutralised very quickly then the Gulf states and
Israel could suffer devastating consequences over time.
Farmer Giles
2020-01-04 20:13:38 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the
dead
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei vowed to carry out 'jihad' against America amid
warnings of a 'devastating war'
you think so?
A war with Iran would be very costly and pretty damn stupid. I would hope
and expect that both sides refrain from open warfare. The current mood in
Iran is for action, but the Iran of today is a lot smarter than the one we
saw in earlier, post revolution days and I think it would take more than
killing The General for them to really do react with a head on action.
Even the most Hawkish Americans in power must see that not very much can be
gained from further escalation.
all very well for snowflake theory...but i see no evidence of
trump seeking to 'escalate'
I never realised you had personal access to all of Trump’s activities,
phone calls, emails, etc.
Or are you just delusional?
He clearly thinks everyone else is.

This action is of no benefit to America - nor anyone else. Israel is the
country that has plotted and schemed for this situation - they
desperately want a war with Iran. They also want someone else to fight
it for them, and Trump is sufficiently under control to help them
achieve it - unless everyone wakes up.
Keema's Nan
2020-01-04 21:38:42 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the
dead
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei vowed to carry out 'jihad' against America amid
warnings of a 'devastating war'
you think so?
A war with Iran would be very costly and pretty damn stupid. I would hope
and expect that both sides refrain from open warfare. The current mood in
Iran is for action, but the Iran of today is a lot smarter than the one we
saw in earlier, post revolution days and I think it would take more than
killing The General for them to really do react with a head on action.
Even the most Hawkish Americans in power must see that not very much can be
gained from further escalation.
all very well for snowflake theory...but i see no evidence of
trump seeking to 'escalate'
I never realised you had personal access to all of Trump’s activities,
phone calls, emails, etc.
Or are you just delusional?
He clearly thinks everyone else is.
This action is of no benefit to America - nor anyone else. Israel is the
country that has plotted and schemed for this situation - they
desperately want a war with Iran. They also want someone else to fight
it for them, and Trump is sufficiently under control to help them
achieve it - unless everyone wakes up.
I’m afraid so.

No one will wake up because they have swallowed the lies emanating from
Israel for decades.

Not only that, but they probably have their nukes pointed not only at Tehran,
but several capitals in Europe as well; and the loons are so belligerent that
western leaders know that they would probably fire them if someone stuck two
fingers back at them.

Of course they would have Russian logos on the sides, and all defence systems
would be jammed in advance so that they could blame Putin, and the west would
swallow that lie as well; as no one would have a clue where they actually
originated.
Keema's Nan
2020-01-04 14:28:37 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the
dead
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei vowed to carry out 'jihad' against America amid
warnings of a 'devastating war'
you think so?
--
www.abelard.org
A war with Iran would be very costly and pretty damn stupid.
Well, at least you have summed up Trump in a sentence.
Post by David Edmunds
I would hope and
expect that both sides refrain from open warfare. The current mood in Iran is
for action, but the Iran of today is a lot smarter than the one we saw in
earlier, post revolution days and I think it would take more than killing The
General for them to really do react with a head on action.
Even the most Hawkish Americans in power must see that not very much can be
gained from further escalation.
I doubt it. Think of the profits to be made.
Post by David Edmunds
If open warfare does break out and if Iran is not completely overwhelmed and
most of their systems neutralised very quickly then the Gulf states and
Israel could suffer devastating consequences over time.
Byker
2020-01-04 18:16:27 UTC
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A war with Iran would be very costly and pretty damn stupid. I would hope
and expect that both sides refrain from open warfare. The current mood in
Iran is for action,
The Ayatollah's Revolutionary Guard can seemingly hardly wait...
A. Filip
2020-01-04 19:15:28 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the
dead
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei vowed to carry out 'jihad' against America amid
warnings of a 'devastating war'
you think so?
US _can_ "cripple" Iran. Occupation of Iran is unlikely++ IMHO.
Are you/they willing to pay the price of a really bad case scenario?
Any cretin in command can _start_ a war.

"And the rules of the game are what you can do to him and what you can
stop him from doing to you."
-- "Ender's Game" by Orson Scott Card

US+UK could win war in Afghanistan.
US+UK could not win war in Afghanistan at acceptable price.
Germans in Third Reich were ready for total war *in Feb 1943*.
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A. Filip
| "Never give in. Never give in. Never. Never. Never."
| (Winston Churchill)
abelard
2020-01-04 20:41:20 UTC
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Iran has confirmed that two Islamic Revolutionary Guard generals, one
colonel and a captain were also killed Five Iraqis, including militia
deputy-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, were also listed among the
dead
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei vowed to carry out 'jihad' against America amid
warnings of a 'devastating war'
you think so?
US _can_ "cripple" Iran. Occupation of Iran is unlikely++ IMHO.
Are you/they willing to pay the price of a really bad case scenario?
Any cretin in command can _start_ a war.
"And the rules of the game are what you can do to him and what you can
stop him from doing to you."
-- "Ender's Game" by Orson Scott Card
US+UK could win war in Afghanistan.
US+UK could not win war in Afghanistan at acceptable price.
Germans in Third Reich were ready for total war *in Feb 1943*.
'an acceptable price' is not a number...it is a judgement

are you another 'good person who does nothing'?

fortunately trump has more fortitude
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www.abelard.org
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