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Mark, Devon
2019-11-09 19:16:22 UTC
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...what an idiot...he knows his own deal so appalling badly....another Eton idiot.

However, it's interesting to see so many here no longer supporting Farage, after all, and now very happy with BonZo's deal.
m***@btopenworld.com
2019-11-10 10:41:09 UTC
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...what an idiot...he knows his own deal so appalling badly....another Eton idiot.
However, it's interesting to see so many here no longer supporting Farage, after all, and now very happy with BonZo's deal.
For God's sake, put on another record!

Eton Alumni are not idiots. Entry to Eton is based upon the Common Entrance which is very competitive and disregards ability to pay.

Assistance with fees is afforded through scholarships and bursaries upon which £6395m is budgeted every year 255/1300 students receive an average of 67% of their fees in bursary income with 90/1300 paying no fees at all.

Rather relying upon cultural ignorance why don't you learn about Eton here:

https://www.etoncollege.com/

Nobody buys their place at Eton. If you cannot meet the required admission standards then you will not get in no matter how much money you have. It's as simple as that.


It even caters for special needs:

https://www.etoncollege.com/SpecialNeeds.aspx

Places like this are a national asset
Keema's Nan
2019-11-10 11:27:28 UTC
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Post by Mark, Devon
...what an idiot...he knows his own deal so appalling badly....another Eton idiot.
However, it's interesting to see so many here no longer supporting Farage,
after all, and now very happy with BonZo's deal.
For God's sake, put on another record!
Eton Alumni are not idiots. Entry to Eton is based upon the Common Entrance
which is very competitive and disregards ability to pay.
Assistance with fees is afforded through scholarships and bursaries upon
which £6395m is budgeted every year 255/1300 students receive an average of
67% of their fees in bursary income with 90/1300 paying no fees at all.
https://www.etoncollege.com/
Nobody buys their place at Eton. If you cannot meet the required admission
standards then you will not get in no matter how much money you have. It's as
simple as that.
https://www.etoncollege.com/SpecialNeeds.aspx
Places like this are a national asset
Look up the name ’Sarah Forsyth’.
abelard
2019-11-10 11:47:40 UTC
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Post by Mark, Devon
...what an idiot...he knows his own deal so appalling badly....another Eton idiot.
However, it's interesting to see so many here no longer supporting Farage,
after all, and now very happy with BonZo's deal.
For God's sake, put on another record!
Eton Alumni are not idiots. Entry to Eton is based upon the Common Entrance
which is very competitive and disregards ability to pay.
Assistance with fees is afforded through scholarships and bursaries upon
which £6395m is budgeted every year 255/1300 students receive an average of
67% of their fees in bursary income with 90/1300 paying no fees at all.
https://www.etoncollege.com/
Nobody buys their place at Eton. If you cannot meet the required admission
standards then you will not get in no matter how much money you have. It's as
simple as that.
https://www.etoncollege.com/SpecialNeeds.aspx
Places like this are a national asset
Look up the name ’Sarah Forsyth’.
what has that to do with mel's accurate post?
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Keema's Nan
2019-11-10 11:50:49 UTC
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Post by Mark, Devon
...what an idiot...he knows his own deal so appalling badly....another
Eton
idiot.
However, it's interesting to see so many here no longer supporting Farage,
after all, and now very happy with BonZo's deal.
For God's sake, put on another record!
Eton Alumni are not idiots. Entry to Eton is based upon the Common Entrance
which is very competitive and disregards ability to pay.
Assistance with fees is afforded through scholarships and bursaries upon
which £6395m is budgeted every year 255/1300 students receive an average of
67% of their fees in bursary income with 90/1300 paying no fees at all.
https://www.etoncollege.com/
Nobody buys their place at Eton. If you cannot meet the required admission
standards then you will not get in no matter how much money you have. It's as
simple as that.
https://www.etoncollege.com/SpecialNeeds.aspx
Places like this are a national asset
Look up the name ’Sarah Forsyth’.
what has that to do with mel's accurate post?
Try a quick google, and you will find out.
abelard
2019-11-10 11:56:38 UTC
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Post by Mark, Devon
...what an idiot...he knows his own deal so appalling badly....another
Eton
idiot.
However, it's interesting to see so many here no longer supporting Farage,
after all, and now very happy with BonZo's deal.
For God's sake, put on another record!
Eton Alumni are not idiots. Entry to Eton is based upon the Common Entrance
which is very competitive and disregards ability to pay.
Assistance with fees is afforded through scholarships and bursaries upon
which £6395m is budgeted every year 255/1300 students receive an average of
67% of their fees in bursary income with 90/1300 paying no fees at all.
https://www.etoncollege.com/
Nobody buys their place at Eton. If you cannot meet the required admission
standards then you will not get in no matter how much money you have. It's as
simple as that.
https://www.etoncollege.com/SpecialNeeds.aspx
Places like this are a national asset
Look up the name ’Sarah Forsyth’.
what has that to do with mel's accurate post?
Try a quick google, and you will find out.
no it won't....his post remains accurate

however much pc/snowflake tripe can be found on google
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Keema's Nan
2019-11-10 12:21:05 UTC
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Post by Mark, Devon
...what an idiot...he knows his own deal so appalling badly....another
Eton
idiot.
However, it's interesting to see so many here no longer supporting
Farage,
after all, and now very happy with BonZo's deal.
For God's sake, put on another record!
Eton Alumni are not idiots. Entry to Eton is based upon the Common Entrance
which is very competitive and disregards ability to pay.
Assistance with fees is afforded through scholarships and bursaries upon
which £6395m is budgeted every year 255/1300 students receive an average
of
67% of their fees in bursary income with 90/1300 paying no fees at all.
https://www.etoncollege.com/
Nobody buys their place at Eton. If you cannot meet the required admission
standards then you will not get in no matter how much money you have.
It's
as
simple as that.
https://www.etoncollege.com/SpecialNeeds.aspx
Places like this are a national asset
Look up the name ’Sarah Forsyth’.
what has that to do with mel's accurate post?
Try a quick google, and you will find out.
no it won't....
It will, but you are too idle to be bothered looking.
Post by abelard
his post remains accurate
I never said it wasn’t.
Post by abelard
however much pc/snowflake tripe can be found on google
Right wing tripe can be found on google also.

In fact, millions of pages of tripe from across the political spectrum can be
found on google.
abelard
2019-11-10 12:23:41 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 11:50:49 +0000, Keema's Nan
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 11:27:28 +0000, Keema's Nan
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Post by Mark, Devon
...what an idiot...he knows his own deal so appalling badly....another
Eton
idiot.
However, it's interesting to see so many here no longer supporting
Farage,
after all, and now very happy with BonZo's deal.
For God's sake, put on another record!
Eton Alumni are not idiots. Entry to Eton is based upon the Common
Entrance
which is very competitive and disregards ability to pay.
Assistance with fees is afforded through scholarships and bursaries upon
which £6395m is budgeted every year 255/1300 students receive an average
of
67% of their fees in bursary income with 90/1300 paying no fees at all.
Rather relying upon cultural ignorance why don't you learn about Eton
https://www.etoncollege.com/
Nobody buys their place at Eton. If you cannot meet the required
admission
standards then you will not get in no matter how much money you have.
It's
as
simple as that.
https://www.etoncollege.com/SpecialNeeds.aspx
Places like this are a national asset
Look up the name ’Sarah Forsyth’.
what has that to do with mel's accurate post?
Try a quick google, and you will find out.
no it won't....
It will, but you are too idle to be bothered looking.
Post by abelard
his post remains accurate
I never said it wasn’t.
Post by abelard
however much pc/snowflake tripe can be found on google
Right wing tripe can be found on google also.
In fact, millions of pages of tripe from across the political spectrum can be
found on google.
and yet you want me to ate my time looking for it...

because you are too lazy to make your alleged point directly

this is just your latest plot to stifle free speech!
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Keema's Nan
2019-11-10 13:13:44 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:21:05 +0000, Keema's Nan
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Post by abelard
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 11:50:49 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 11:27:28 +0000, Keema's Nan
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Post by Mark, Devon
...what an idiot...he knows his own deal so appalling badly....another
Eton
idiot.
However, it's interesting to see so many here no longer supporting
Farage,
after all, and now very happy with BonZo's deal.
For God's sake, put on another record!
Eton Alumni are not idiots. Entry to Eton is based upon the Common
Entrance
which is very competitive and disregards ability to pay.
Assistance with fees is afforded through scholarships and bursaries
upon
which £6395m is budgeted every year 255/1300 students receive an
average
of
67% of their fees in bursary income with 90/1300 paying no fees at all.
Rather relying upon cultural ignorance why don't you learn about Eton
https://www.etoncollege.com/
Nobody buys their place at Eton. If you cannot meet the required
admission
standards then you will not get in no matter how much money you have.
It's
as
simple as that.
https://www.etoncollege.com/SpecialNeeds.aspx
Places like this are a national asset
Look up the name ’Sarah Forsyth’.
what has that to do with mel's accurate post?
Try a quick google, and you will find out.
no it won't....
It will, but you are too idle to be bothered looking.
Post by abelard
his post remains accurate
I never said it wasn’t.
Post by abelard
however much pc/snowflake tripe can be found on google
Right wing tripe can be found on google also.
In fact, millions of pages of tripe from across the political spectrum can be
found on google.
and yet you want me to ate my time looking for it...
because you are too lazy to make your alleged point directly
this is just your latest plot to stifle free speech!
Yes, probably.

I have no objection to Eton, or kids going there at £40k per year or more.
However, the puke-inducing forelock-tugging posts of brown-noser-in-chief
Rowing do get a little too much at times; however pedantically correct they
may be (via a simple pre-post viewing of Wikipedia).

Sarah Forsyth was the wumman who claimed to have ghost written Prince
Harry’s A-level course work, and was awarded £45000 after a tribunal case
for unfair dismissal, once she went public with her story. The tribunal
accepted the fact that the prince had received help with his course work, but
decided this didn’t count as ‘cheating’.

I’m sure Old Etonians have their own definitions of what constitutes
cheating and what doesn’t; but it tends to tarnish the Rowing rose-tinted
view that only superior intellects who can pass the strict entrance exam are
allowed to study there, irrespective of the family wealth.
m***@btopenworld.com
2019-11-10 14:13:19 UTC
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Sarah Forsyth was the wumman who claimed to have ghost written Prince
Harry’s A-level course work, and was awarded £45000 after a tribunal case
for unfair dismissal, once she went public with her story. The tribunal
accepted the fact that the prince had received help with his course work, but
decided this didn’t count as ‘cheating’.
Well not according to the attributed telegraph article that I found!

Either that or the unattributed article you used is wrong.

In fact your whole post is a mess. Unattributed quotes it hasn't been trimmed of inessential detail.

If you cannot post properly then you can' complain too much if people take you for the prat you are.
Keema's Nan
2019-11-10 14:37:58 UTC
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Sarah Forsyth was the wumman who claimed to have ghost written Prince
Harry’s A-level course work, and was awarded £45000 after a tribunal case
for unfair dismissal, once she went public with her story. The tribunal
accepted the fact that the prince had received help with his course work, but
decided this didn’t count as ‘cheating’.
Well not according to the attributed telegraph article that I found!
Either that or the unattributed article you used is wrong.
In fact your whole post is a mess. Unattributed quotes it hasn't been trimmed
of inessential detail.
What?

My post is a mess? I need a translator for yours.
If you cannot post properly then you can' complain too much if people take
you for the prat you are.
Oh dear, oh dear.

You are in a state again. Have a lie down - too much alcohol with Sunday
lunch (sorry, dinner) does not make for calm posting attitudes.

Why should the Telegraph tell the whole truth? As you have just illustrated,
it doesn’t need to when it’s readership believes everything it says and
treats everything it leaves out as a lie.
m***@btopenworld.com
2019-11-10 14:55:42 UTC
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What?
My post is a mess? I need a translator for yours.
Then your pater should have sent you to a decent school!
Keema's Nan
2019-11-10 15:14:04 UTC
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What?
My post is a mess? I need a translator for yours.
Then your pater should have sent you to a decent school!
It was the best school in the area for those who passed the 11-plus aged 10;
and I don’t think he had a choice.
abelard
2019-11-11 11:17:40 UTC
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I’m sure Old Etonians have their own definitions of what constitutes
cheating and what doesn’t;
as do you
but it tends to tarnish the Rowing rose-tinted
view that only superior intellects who can pass the strict entrance exam are
allowed to study there, irrespective of the family wealth.
why? be specific

or are you just on about the mentally challenged fete openers?
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Keema's Nan
2019-11-11 11:43:04 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 13:13:44 +0000, Keema's Nan
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I’m sure Old Etonians have their own definitions of what constitutes
cheating and what doesn’t;
as do you
No one helped me with my A Levels.
Post by abelard
Post by Keema's Nan
but it tends to tarnish the Rowing rose-tinted
view that only superior intellects who can pass the strict entrance exam are
allowed to study there, irrespective of the family wealth.
why? be specific
or are you just on about the mentally challenged fete openers?
abelard
2019-11-11 11:57:44 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 13:13:44 +0000, Keema's Nan
I’m sure Old Etonians have their own definitions of what constitutes
cheating and what doesn’t;
as do you
No one helped me with my A Levels.
that's because you were a clever swot...
as a budding socialist you'd have helped me if you were genuine..

i didn't even get o levels until i was a quarter century, after that
i lived in libraries
and i lived in a shoe box in the motorway centre...

i'm a victim, that's what i am...
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Farmer Giles
2019-11-11 12:34:34 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 13:13:44 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
I’m sure Old Etonians have their own definitions of what constitutes
cheating and what doesn’t;
as do you
No one helped me with my A Levels.
that's because you were a clever swot...
as a budding socialist you'd have helped me if you were genuine..
i didn't even get o levels until i was a quarter century, after that
i lived in libraries
and i lived in a shoe box in the motorway centre...
i'm a victim, that's what i am...
Babbelard giving his age away, O Levels finished over thirty years ago.
m***@btopenworld.com
2019-11-11 15:51:43 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 13:13:44 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
I’m sure Old Etonians have their own definitions of what constitutes
cheating and what doesn’t;
as do you
No one helped me with my A Levels.
And it shows!
Keema's Nan
2019-11-11 16:00:25 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
I’m sure Old Etonians have their own definitions of what constitutes
cheating and what doesn’t;
as do you
No one helped me with my A Levels.
And it shows!
How?
Mark Devon
2019-11-10 15:38:11 UTC
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((what has that to do with mel's accurate post?))

Next thing you'll be 'thinking' is that BonZo's knowledge of his own deal is accurate!
Roger
2019-11-10 22:17:25 UTC
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((what has that to do with mel's accurate post?))
Next thing you'll be 'thinking' is that BonZo's knowledge of his own deal is accurate!
Just curious; why do you think Boris Johnson's knowledge of his own deal is not accurate?
Mark, Devon
2019-11-11 09:01:06 UTC
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Just curious; why do you think Boris Johnson's knowledge of his own deal is not accurate?>>
He's been very inconsistent and uncertain on the N. Ireland part of the deal. On many times he's been accused of planning to renege on it, after telling Northern Irish businesses that he will not enforce checks arising from the proposed customs border in the Irish Sea. Inconsistent, insincere, sneaky BonZo…..Eton offspring who still doesn't seem to even acknowledge how many children he has.

BonZo….enemy of the union, enemy of Farage, enemy of women, enemy of the North, enemy of truth. Friend of Trump.
Roger
2019-11-11 09:59:30 UTC
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So maybe the problem is that you, or those you are reffering to have not understood Boris Johnsons deal.

Under the terms of Johnsons agreement the EU has no role whatsoever in goods passing from NI to the UK. This would be entirely up to the UK government and therefore any changes would be determined by the UK parliament alone. So, while this may change it would not require any renegotiation.

Goods passing from the UK to NI is a bit more complicated. Currently there is not a complete free movement of goods. Livestock and some other food / animal items are subject to inspections and/or declarations, and this is unlikely to change in any Brexit situation.

However goods which DO fall into the NI CU agreement must be declared and eventual levels of spot checks will be determined by the EU. Predictions being made are based on analogous situations such as the swiss EU border.

But whatever they are, this will affect UK mainland companies exporting to NI, not the other way round...so BJ's affirmations to NI companies were quite correct.

In fact from a commercial point of view NI companies really do get the best of both worlds.
Pamela
2019-11-11 12:37:58 UTC
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Post by Mark Devon
((what has that to do with mel's accurate post?))
Next thing you'll be 'thinking' is that BonZo's knowledge of his own deal is accurate!
Just curious; why do you think Boris Johnson's knowledge of his own deal is not accurate?
Boris is a known liar.

He'll say anything he believes the listener wants to hear even if he knows
it's completely untrue. For example, his pledge to leave on 31st October.

Alternatively he will say anything he needs to fool his listener. For
instance, his repeated claims in summer that he didn't want an election.
Keema's Nan
2019-11-11 12:54:31 UTC
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Post by Roger
Post by Mark Devon
((what has that to do with mel's accurate post?))
Next thing you'll be 'thinking' is that BonZo's knowledge of his own
deal is accurate!
Just curious; why do you think Boris Johnson's knowledge of his own deal
is not accurate?
Boris is a known liar.
In my experience, that description applies to all politicians.
Post by Pamela
He'll say anything he believes the listener wants to hear even if he knows
it's completely untrue. For example, his pledge to leave on 31st October.
Round and round and round you go.

Same old junk floating in circles.
Post by Pamela
Alternatively he will say anything he needs to fool his listener. For
instance, his repeated claims in summer that he didn't want an election.
abelard
2019-11-11 13:01:53 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Post by Roger
Post by Mark Devon
((what has that to do with mel's accurate post?))
Next thing you'll be 'thinking' is that BonZo's knowledge of his own
deal is accurate!
Just curious; why do you think Boris Johnson's knowledge of his own deal
is not accurate?
Boris is a known liar.
In my experience, that description applies to all politicians.
Post by Pamela
He'll say anything he believes the listener wants to hear even if he knows
it's completely untrue. For example, his pledge to leave on 31st October.
Round and round and round you go.
Same old junk floating in circles.
s/he wants to be a politician....so s/he's practicing
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Post by Pamela
Alternatively he will say anything he needs to fool his listener. For
instance, his repeated claims in summer that he didn't want an election.
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Pamela
2019-11-11 13:37:36 UTC
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Post by Pamela
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Post by Mark Devon
((what has that to do with mel's accurate post?))
Next thing you'll be 'thinking' is that BonZo's knowledge of his own
deal is accurate!
Just curious; why do you think Boris Johnson's knowledge of his own deal
is not accurate?
Boris is a known liar.
In my experience, that description applies to all politicians.
All politicians bend the truth and some tell outright lies but no one in
British politics tells shameless whoppers like Boris Johnson.

Dominic Cummings has studied Donald Trump well and hope for success by using
the same methods.
abelard
2019-11-11 16:45:21 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Pamela
Post by Roger
Post by Mark Devon
((what has that to do with mel's accurate post?))
Next thing you'll be 'thinking' is that BonZo's knowledge of his own
deal is accurate!
Just curious; why do you think Boris Johnson's knowledge of his own deal
is not accurate?
Boris is a known liar.
In my experience, that description applies to all politicians.
All politicians bend the truth and some tell outright lies but no one in
British politics tells shameless whoppers like Boris Johnson.
Dominic Cummings has studied Donald Trump well and hope for success by using
the same methods.
you're going loony toons as you get desperate
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m***@btopenworld.com
2019-11-10 13:55:51 UTC
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Post by Mark, Devon
...what an idiot...he knows his own deal so appalling badly....another Eton idiot.
However, it's interesting to see so many here no longer supporting Farage,
after all, and now very happy with BonZo's deal.
For God's sake, put on another record!
Eton Alumni are not idiots. Entry to Eton is based upon the Common Entrance
which is very competitive and disregards ability to pay.
Assistance with fees is afforded through scholarships and bursaries upon
which £6395m is budgeted every year 255/1300 students receive an average of
67% of their fees in bursary income with 90/1300 paying no fees at all.
https://www.etoncollege.com/
Nobody buys their place at Eton. If you cannot meet the required admission
standards then you will not get in no matter how much money you have. It's as
simple as that.
https://www.etoncollege.com/SpecialNeeds.aspx
Places like this are a national asset
Look up the name ’Sarah Forsyth’.
And your point?

Of course you could have
linked the article and made it more clearly as I have now done.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1493375/Harrys-art-teacher-was-bullied-by-Eton-superiors.html

So Ms Forsyth a member of Eton's staff was apparently unfairly dismissed by her employers. She is not the first employee to be dismissed by an employer whether unfairly or otherwise. It is interesting to note that that the tribunal did not make any compensation award.

"The tape-recording incident is not an attractive one and shows the claimant in an unprofessional light. It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that it was done with a view to attempting to improve her negotiating position."

In short it was a stunt!

Notwithstanding that, What as this incident to do with the Eton admission and student support policy?
Keema's Nan
2019-11-10 14:13:13 UTC
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Post by Mark, Devon
...what an idiot...he knows his own deal so appalling badly....another
Eton
idiot.
However, it's interesting to see so many here no longer supporting Farage,
after all, and now very happy with BonZo's deal.
For God's sake, put on another record!
Eton Alumni are not idiots. Entry to Eton is based upon the Common Entrance
which is very competitive and disregards ability to pay.
Assistance with fees is afforded through scholarships and bursaries upon
which £6395m is budgeted every year 255/1300 students receive an average of
67% of their fees in bursary income with 90/1300 paying no fees at all.
https://www.etoncollege.com/
Nobody buys their place at Eton. If you cannot meet the required admission
standards then you will not get in no matter how much money you have. It's as
simple as that.
https://www.etoncollege.com/SpecialNeeds.aspx
Places like this are a national asset
Look up the name ’Sarah Forsyth’.
And your point?
Of course you could have
linked the article and made it more clearly as I have now done.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1493375/Harrys-art-teacher-was-bullied
-by-Eton-superiors.html
So Ms Forsyth a member of Eton's staff was apparently unfairly dismissed by
her employers.
No ‘apparently’ about it. She was, and received financial compensation
because of that.
Post by m***@btopenworld.com
She is not the first employee to be dismissed by an employer
whether unfairly or otherwise. It is interesting to note that that the
tribunal did not make any compensation award.
Liar.

The teacher who accused Prince Harry of cheating, and claimed she ghost-wrote
his A-level course work, has been awarded £45,000 in damages.

Last July, Sarah Forsyth, a former art teacher at Eton College, won her case
for unfair dismissal against the school, during which she said she had
written the text to accompany the paintings the prince submitted for his
A-level art project.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/feb/14/schools.publicschools
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"The tape-recording incident is not an attractive one and shows the claimant
in an unprofessional light. It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that it
was done with a view to attempting to improve her negotiating position."
In short it was a stunt!
That might be your opinion, but then you are not a lone woman fighting
against the might of Eton College and their staff; not to mention
representatives of the House Of Windsor.

If I had been in her shoes, I would have done exactly the same thing,
otherwise what chance would she have against well connected people who say
one thing when they believe no one is listening, and then deny everything
when confronted in public?

(From the aforementioned article) -

"During the ensuing unfair dismissal hearing, Ms Forsyth claimed she was
bullied by staff, and that she was a victim of sexual discrimination. She
also said she was asked by the college's head of art, Ian Burke, to help
Harry with the written submission to accompany his artworks. She claimed she
had a tape of a conversation between herself and the prince which backed her
claim."

"In its judgment which criticised the school's senior management, the
tribunal said: "It is clear whichever version of the evidence is accepted
that Mr Burke did ask the claimant to assist Prince Harry with text for his
expressive art project ... It is not part of this tribunal's function to
determine whether or not it was legitimate."
Post by m***@btopenworld.com
Notwithstanding that, What as this incident to do with the Eton admission and
student support policy?
I give up. Do tell us the answer - you know you are bursting to post more
arrogant and patronising nonsense.
m***@btopenworld.com
2019-11-10 14:51:35 UTC
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I give up. Do tell us the answer - you know you are bursting to post more
arrogant and patronising nonsense.
Nay lad! The ball is in your court.

The OP called "Bonzo "another Eton idiot" and often replies in this vein. It was his post that I was replying to. I was anxious to point out that academic standards and facilities at Eton are very high. How else could they demand £14167 per half term and still have to turn applicants away?
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I was anxious to point out that academic standards and facilities at Eton are very high. How else could they demand £14167 per half term and still have to turn applicants away?>>

Your 'anxiety' is, in reality, desperation. Desperately seeking some justification for those idiots who have been 'raised' with excess privilege.

I s'pose you imagine that BonZo, in 'writing' a few books, is as clevva as Flocksy Muggsy?
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I was anxious to point out that academic standards and facilities at Eton are very high. How else could they demand £14167 per half term and still have to turn applicants away?>>
Your 'anxiety' is, in reality, desperation. Desperately seeking some justification for those idiots who have been 'raised' with excess privilege.
I s'pose you imagine that BonZo, in 'writing' a few books, is as clevva as Flocksy Muggsy?
And how many books have you written?

Who would read them if you did?

In a less enlightened society, you would likely have been hanged at the X roads.
Mark, Devon
2019-11-11 08:50:39 UTC
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And how many books have you written?>>
Zero. Never got any education.
Who would read them if you did?>>
Probably quite a few intelligent people.
In a less enlightened society, you would likely have been hanged at the X roads.>>
In any just society the state education system would spend as much on each child as Eton costs per child. In truth, when costs are considered, the likes of Eton are bad value for money. Like healthcare, the private sector is far more expensive and inefficient compared to the public sector. But back to education, look at what Eton has spouted out in terms of Tory politicians!
Keema's Nan
2019-11-11 09:00:45 UTC
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And how many books have you written?>>
Zero. Never got any education.
Who would read them if you did?>>
Probably quite a few intelligent people.
In a less enlightened society, you would likely have been hanged at the X roads.>>
In any just society the state education system would spend as much on each
child as Eton costs per child.
And remember that because of the tax breaks enjoyed by Eton and its strange
‘charitable status’ the UK taxpayer is subsidising the school even though
a large percentage of the population will never have anything to do with the
place.
Post by Mark, Devon
In truth, when costs are considered, the likes
of Eton are bad value for money. Like healthcare, the private sector is far
more expensive and inefficient compared to the public sector. But back to
education, look at what Eton has spouted out in terms of Tory politicians!
abelard
2019-11-11 09:12:58 UTC
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Post by Mark, Devon
And how many books have you written?>>
Zero. Never got any education.
Who would read them if you did?>>
Probably quite a few intelligent people.
In a less enlightened society, you would likely have been hanged at the X roads.>>
In any just society the state education system would spend as much on each
child as Eton costs per child.
And remember that because of the tax breaks enjoyed by Eton and its strange
‘charitable status’ the UK taxpayer is subsidising the school even though
a large percentage of the population will never have anything to do with the
place.
you don't 'subsidise' by being exempt from some taxes

you subsidise by paying taxes..nationals who pay for private education
also pay taxes and thus subsidise the public/blob 'education'...
thus they pay twice in order to avoid the blob

most of the population have plenty to do with eton(etc) as such
institutions provide much of the leadership/rulers of the state
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Mark, Devon
In truth, when costs are considered, the likes
of Eton are bad value for money. Like healthcare, the private sector is far
more expensive and inefficient compared to the public sector. But back to
education, look at what Eton has spouted out in terms of Tory politicians!
you are not making an interesting or coherent case

could do better!
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Keema's Nan
2019-11-11 10:54:32 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Mark, Devon
And how many books have you written?>>
Zero. Never got any education.
Who would read them if you did?>>
Probably quite a few intelligent people.
In a less enlightened society, you would likely have been hanged at the X
roads.>>
In any just society the state education system would spend as much on each
child as Eton costs per child.
And remember that because of the tax breaks enjoyed by Eton and its strange
‘charitable status’ the UK taxpayer is subsidising the school even though
a large percentage of the population will never have anything to do with the
place.
you don't 'subsidise' by being exempt from some taxes
Yes you do. They are not paying taxes other businesses have to pay, which is
the same as being subsidised.

If you want to try your uber pedantry on someone, I’m sure there are plenty
of cows in a nearby field.

Go and spout off to them.
Post by abelard
you subsidise by paying taxes..nationals who pay for private education
also pay taxes and thus subsidise the public/blob 'education'...
thus they pay twice in order to avoid the blob
most of the population have plenty to do with eton(etc) as such
institutions provide much of the leadership/rulers of the state
Yes, and a complete bloody shambles most of those turn out to be.
Post by abelard
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Mark, Devon
In truth, when costs are considered, the likes
of Eton are bad value for money. Like healthcare, the private sector is far
more expensive and inefficient compared to the public sector. But back to
education, look at what Eton has spouted out in terms of Tory politicians!
you are not making an interesting or coherent case
could do better!
abelard
2019-11-11 11:13:44 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 09:00:45 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Mark, Devon
And how many books have you written?>>
Zero. Never got any education.
Who would read them if you did?>>
Probably quite a few intelligent people.
In a less enlightened society, you would likely have been hanged at the X
roads.>>
In any just society the state education system would spend as much on each
child as Eton costs per child.
And remember that because of the tax breaks enjoyed by Eton and its strange
‘charitable status’ the UK taxpayer is subsidising the school even though
a large percentage of the population will never have anything to do with the
place.
you don't 'subsidise' by being exempt from some taxes
Yes you do. They are not paying taxes other businesses have to pay, which is
the same as being subsidised.
whence government does not have to build and fund schools

further, those who do fund those schools also fund your's and much
else that you desire that your rulers provide for you

while you pay very comparatively little taxation
Post by Keema's Nan
If you want to try your uber pedantry on someone, I’m sure there are plenty
of cows in a nearby field.
Go and spout off to them.
Post by abelard
you subsidise by paying taxes..nationals who pay for private education
also pay taxes and thus subsidise the public/blob 'education'...
thus they pay twice in order to avoid the blob
most of the population have plenty to do with eton(etc) as such
institutions provide much of the leadership/rulers of the state
Yes, and a complete bloody shambles most of those turn out to be.
another of your attempts at censorship

i know your sort
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m***@btopenworld.com
2019-11-11 16:38:59 UTC
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Post by Mark, Devon
In any just society the state education system would spend as much on each
child as Eton costs per child.
And remember that because of the tax breaks enjoyed by Eton and its strange
‘charitable status’ the UK taxpayer is subsidising the school even though
a large percentage of the population will never have anything to do with the
place.
Eton does not cost the UK taxpayer a single penny.

It enjoys the same tax breaks as any other school/education authority in that it recovers the VAT on all its purchases.

All of its funding comes from private sources, (fees, trust endowments, hire of facilities etc.) It owes its charitable status to the fact that it is non profit making and provides free or subsidised education to the majority of its students. The cost of these bursaries and scholarships amounts to to £6395m. This is money that is not derived from the tax payer being injected into the education system.

Those who send their children to Eton and other similar establishments pay taxes same as anyone else and in so doing subsidise the education of those who do not partake of these facilities.

It's simply is not true that money spent upon the lavish facilities provided by the public schools could be used to improve the lot of children in the state sector. This is private money. One of the enduring characteristics of money if it is to fulfil its purpose and function is that holders should be free to spend it as they choose. If any attempt were made to abolish the public schools would result in relocations to places like the IoM or Channel Isles or elsewhere in Europe of indeed anywhere.

It would be akin to the latest socialist madcap idea to abolish billionaires.

All that would result in would be to move vast volumes of money and/or investment into more favourable tax regimes. Billionaires did not acquire their wealth in order tho equalise society. If wealth does not enhance your position in society then there is no point in acquiring it.
Keema's Nan
2019-11-11 16:53:36 UTC
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Post by Mark, Devon
In any just society the state education system would spend as much on each
child as Eton costs per child.
And remember that because of the tax breaks enjoyed by Eton and its strange
‘charitable status’ the UK taxpayer is subsidising the school even though
a large percentage of the population will never have anything to do with the
place.
Eton does not cost the UK taxpayer a single penny.
No, it costs us a hell of a lot of pennies.
Post by m***@btopenworld.com
It enjoys the same tax breaks as any other school/education authority in that
it recovers the VAT on all its purchases.
That was not my point, do keep up at the back.

Eton gets an 80% discount on its rates bill due to being a registered
charity.

https://inews.co.uk/news/education/calls-to-change-etons-charity-80-tax-break-
as-state-schools-suffer-depths-of-austerity-502993
Roger
2019-11-11 16:57:18 UTC
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Eton gets an 80% discount on its rates bill due to being a registered
charity.
Whereas other schools pay full rates?

I'm missing something here....how is there a net cost to the taxpayer?
Keema's Nan
2019-11-11 17:05:09 UTC
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Eton gets an 80% discount on its rates bill due to being a registered
charity.
Whereas other schools pay full rates?
If you could have been bothered to read the article I linked to, before your
desperate rush for one-upmanship point scoring posts, you would have read
this quote -

The head of UK business rates at Altus, Robert Hayton, said: "It cannot be
right that council-run schools pay normal business rates, but both private
schools and academies, using charitable status, receive an 80 per cent
discount.”
Post by Roger
I'm missing something here....
Yes, a functioning brain.
Post by Roger
how is there a net cost to the taxpayer?
Roger
2019-11-11 17:40:03 UTC
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Eton gets an 80% discount on its rates bill due to being a registered
charity.
Whereas other schools pay full rates?
If you could have been bothered to read the article I linked to, before your
desperate rush for one-upmanship point scoring posts, you would have read
this quote -
The head of UK business rates at Altus, Robert Hayton, said: "It cannot be
right that council-run schools pay normal business rates, but both private
schools and academies, using charitable status, receive an 80 per cent
discount.”
Post by Roger
I'm missing something here....
Yes, a functioning brain.
Post by Roger
how is there a net cost to the taxpayer?
Clearly my brain is malfunctioning.

Council run schools pay business rates, which go back to the council. Net cost to the taxpayer is zero.

Schools not funded by the council also pay the business rates, but get an 80% rebate if they qualify. Net income to the taxpayer is 20% of what a business would have paid.

So doesn't that mean the council effectively receives real money from private schools, whereas with council run schools it's all virtual?

I agree that public schools need more funding, and you could make a case for saying you are going to increase the money to public schools by cutting rebates to private schools.

But both you and the article seem to be suggesting that this would somehow make them more equal. That's the bit I don't get.

As I understand the logic, all non residential properties are liable for business rates, but some places are liable to receive rebates, and if the money is coming from 'outside' the system that makes sense.

But rebating council rates to a council run institution would surely be just a waste of time?

Or am I still missing something?
abelard
2019-11-11 22:45:37 UTC
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Eton gets an 80% discount on its rates bill due to being a registered
charity.
Whereas other schools pay full rates?
If you could have been bothered to read the article I linked to, before your
desperate rush for one-upmanship point scoring posts, you would have read
this quote -
The head of UK business rates at Altus, Robert Hayton, said: "It cannot be
right that council-run schools pay normal business rates, but both private
schools and academies, using charitable status, receive an 80 per cent
discount.”
Post by Roger
I'm missing something here....
Yes, a functioning brain.
Post by Roger
how is there a net cost to the taxpayer?
Clearly my brain is malfunctioning.
Council run schools pay business rates, which go back to the council. Net cost to the taxpayer is zero.
Schools not funded by the council also pay the business rates, but get an 80% rebate if they qualify. Net income to the taxpayer is 20% of what a business would have paid.
So doesn't that mean the council effectively receives real money from private schools, whereas with council run schools it's all virtual?
I agree that public schools need more funding, and you could make a case for saying you are going to increase the money to public schools by cutting rebates to private schools.
But both you and the article seem to be suggesting that this would somehow make them more equal. That's the bit I don't get.
As I understand the logic, all non residential properties are liable for business rates, but some places are liable to receive rebates, and if the money is coming from 'outside' the system that makes sense.
But rebating council rates to a council run institution would surely be just a waste of time?
Or am I still missing something?
your problem is that you have at least a tenuous grasp of reality :-)

most posters are not so cursed!
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Farmer Giles
2019-11-12 07:06:45 UTC
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Eton gets an 80% discount on its rates bill due to being a registered
charity.
Whereas other schools pay full rates?
If you could have been bothered to read the article I linked to, before your
desperate rush for one-upmanship point scoring posts, you would have read
this quote -
The head of UK business rates at Altus, Robert Hayton, said: "It cannot be
right that council-run schools pay normal business rates, but both private
schools and academies, using charitable status, receive an 80 per cent
discount.”
Post by Roger
I'm missing something here....
Yes, a functioning brain.
Post by Roger
how is there a net cost to the taxpayer?
Clearly my brain is malfunctioning.
Council run schools pay business rates, which go back to the council. Net cost to the taxpayer is zero.
Schools not funded by the council also pay the business rates, but get an 80% rebate if they qualify. Net income to the taxpayer is 20% of what a business would have paid.
So doesn't that mean the council effectively receives real money from private schools, whereas with council run schools it's all virtual?
I agree that public schools need more funding, and you could make a case for saying you are going to increase the money to public schools by cutting rebates to private schools.
But both you and the article seem to be suggesting that this would somehow make them more equal. That's the bit I don't get.
As I understand the logic, all non residential properties are liable for business rates, but some places are liable to receive rebates, and if the money is coming from 'outside' the system that makes sense.
But rebating council rates to a council run institution would surely be just a waste of time?
Or am I still missing something?
your problem is that you have at least a tenuous grasp of reality :-)
most posters are not so cursed!
Yes, we know - and you're very much one of them!
Mark Devon
2019-11-12 08:59:30 UTC
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((most posters are not so cursed!))

Lol....I s'pose you think Muggled lives in the real world!
abelard
2019-11-12 09:04:24 UTC
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((most posters are not so cursed!))
Lol....I s'pose you think Muggled lives in the real world!
he attends successfully and well to his task and brief

beyond that i don't have data on the fellow
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Keema's Nan
2019-11-12 10:02:25 UTC
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((most posters are not so cursed!))
Lol....I s'pose you think Muggled lives in the real world!
To him the world is real, but he is the modern day equivalent of those
country estate owners from 200 years ago who built tunnels from the back road
to the kitchens, stables, etc., so that they never saw the commoners who made
deliveries.

I bet he has never been anywhere near Walthamstow.
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2019-11-12 12:05:41 UTC
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((To him the world is real, but he is the modern day equivalent of those
country estate owners from 200 years ago who built tunnels from the back road
to the kitchens, stables, etc., so that they never saw the commoners who made
deliveries.

I bet he has never been anywhere near Walthamstow.))

Lol.....these Eton Tories, enemies of the North, organising a COBRA meeting very late, and only 'cos they know it's damaging them politically.
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2019-11-12 12:10:05 UTC
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Post by Mark Devon
((most posters are not so cursed!))
Lol....I s'pose you think Muggled lives in the real world!
To him the world is real, but he is the modern day equivalent of those
country estate owners from 200 years ago who built tunnels from the back road
to the kitchens, stables, etc., so that they never saw the commoners who made
deliveries.
I bet he has never been anywhere near Walthamstow.
what is a 'walthamstow'?
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Keema's Nan
2019-11-12 13:07:02 UTC
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Post by Mark Devon
((most posters are not so cursed!))
Lol....I s'pose you think Muggled lives in the real world!
To him the world is real, but he is the modern day equivalent of those
country estate owners from 200 years ago who built tunnels from the back road
to the kitchens, stables, etc., so that they never saw the commoners who made
deliveries.
I bet he has never been anywhere near Walthamstow.
what is a 'walthamstow'?
One of the safest Labour seats outside Liverpool.
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2019-11-12 14:33:49 UTC
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To him the world is real, but he is the modern day equivalent of those
country estate owners from 200 years ago who built tunnels from the back road
to the kitchens, stables, etc., so that they never saw the commoners who made
deliveries.
It's time you took a look at our social history and visited some of these old estates to take a peep at how rural people actually lived.

A modest estate could support 100 employees or more and was the economic hub of the community. "Never saw commoners?" they were infested with them. Every gentleman had his manservant (valet) and every lady her maid devoted to their service, In addition every overnight visitor would bring with them their personal servants who had to be accommodated as well. Further to that, the house required cleaning (no such thing as a vacuum cleaner in those days it all had to be done by hand) and of course with all these residents and guests there was quite a lot of clothes and bedding to be laundered. Most big houses had a laundry where a number of young girls under the supervision of an older and more experienced overseer would work.

All these people had to be fed which provided work for cooks and scullery maids plus attendees to wait on table in the main dining room

There were grounds and gardens to be maintained by a team of gardeners under the charge of a head gardener. There were horses to be groomed and attended.

As regards deliveries, there weren't that many. Every estate worthy of the name was virtually self sufficient. Those same gardens provided all the vegetables and the estate farm(s) the meat. joiners and carpenters were employed ad hoc to make and maintain furniture. Builders, masons and allied tradesmen were employed sometimes full time to maintain the buildings.

The hey day of the landed estate came to the end with the First World War though there is some evidence that the decline had set in before then.

Their source of labour dried up as me were conscripted or, with women took up better paid jobs in factories. They tended to remain in these jobs after the war ended. Then there were the death duties introduced to pay for it. Much land and even entire estates were sold off to meet these liabilities.

Some landowners have passed over their estates to the National Trust in lieu of Death duties or inheritance tax. It's sad really but difficult to see how such places could survive modern economic realities.

Where owners have managed to cling onto their inheritances most have followed the NT route and opened them up to the public in some way. They no longer live in the big houses unless it's in a private wing or in a house built or renovated in an isolated part of the estate.

My wife and I have over the years spent countless hours mooching around these places looking at old photographs of long dead families and retinues of servants who once kept the place alive.

A way of life, long gone which should never be forgotten.
Mark Devon
2019-11-12 14:49:58 UTC
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((It's time you took a look at our social history and visited some of these old estates to take a peep at how rural people actually lived.

A modest estate could support 100 employees or more and was the economic hub of the community. "Never saw commoners?" they were infested with them. Every gentleman had his manservant (valet) and every lady her maid devoted to their service, In addition every overnight visitor would bring with them their personal servants who had to be accommodated as well. Further to that, the house required cleaning (no such thing as a vacuum cleaner in those days it all had to be done by hand) and of course with all these residents and guests there was quite a lot of clothes and bedding to be laundered. Most big houses had a laundry where a number of young girls under the supervision of an older and more experienced overseer would work.

All these people had to be fed which provided work for cooks and scullery maids plus attendees to wait on table in the main dining room

There were grounds and gardens to be maintained by a team of gardeners under the charge of a head gardener. There were horses to be groomed and attended.

As regards deliveries, there weren't that many. Every estate worthy of the name was virtually self sufficient. Those same gardens provided all the vegetables and the estate farm(s) the meat. joiners and carpenters were employed ad hoc to make and maintain furniture. Builders, masons and allied tradesmen were employed sometimes full time to maintain the buildings.

The hey day of the landed estate came to the end with the First World War though there is some evidence that the decline had set in before then.

Their source of labour dried up as me were conscripted or, with women took up better paid jobs in factories. They tended to remain in these jobs after the war ended. Then there were the death duties introduced to pay for it. Much land and even entire estates were sold off to meet these liabilities.

Some landowners have passed over their estates to the National Trust in lieu of Death duties or inheritance tax. It's sad really but difficult to see how such places could survive modern economic realities.

Where owners have managed to cling onto their inheritances most have followed the NT route and opened them up to the public in some way. They no longer live in the big houses unless it's in a private wing or in a house built or renovated in an isolated part of the estate.

My wife and I have over the years spent countless hours mooching around these places looking at old photographs of long dead families and retinues of servants who once kept the place alive.

A way of life, long gone which should never be forgotten.))

Gosh you're a nostalgic romantic aren't you? If I were the landowner what do you think I should employ Muggsy as? What do you think he'd be good at?
Mark Devon
2019-11-12 14:59:52 UTC
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BonZo the MopMan now helping to clean up outside of Specsavers. What a clown.
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2019-11-12 19:22:58 UTC
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My wife and I have over the years spent countless hours mooching around these places looking at old photographs of long dead families and retinues of servants who once kept the place alive.
A way of life, long gone which should never be forgotten.))
Gosh you're a nostalgic romantic aren't you? If I were the landowner what do you think I should employ Muggsy as? What do you think he'd be good at?
No! I've no time for nostalgia. If something has 'Had its chips' then so be it!

However, that sentiment has nothing to do with the fact that stately homes have nothing to do were once part of our national life (especially our rural life) in that they supported communities, put food into their bellies and roofs over their heads.

Although I have no academic qualifications in history to speak of I am nonetheless keen to visit places of historic interest to try to learn more about the world that my forebears lived on the premise 'Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of their predecessors are destined to repeat them. ....' the country estate was very much part of pre 20th century life. Fossilised remnants and vestiges of these places still exist and are worth visiting.
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Post by Keema's Nan
To him the world is real, but he is the modern day equivalent of those
country estate owners from 200 years ago who built tunnels from the back road
to the kitchens, stables, etc., so that they never saw the commoners who made
deliveries.
It's time you took a look at our social history and visited some of these old
estates to take a peep at how rural people actually lived.
A modest estate could support 100 employees or more and was the economic hub
of the community. "Never saw commoners?" they were infested with them. Every
gentleman had his manservant (valet) and every lady her maid devoted to their
service, In addition every overnight visitor would bring with them their
personal servants who had to be accommodated as well. Further to that, the
house required cleaning (no such thing as a vacuum cleaner in those days it
all had to be done by hand) and of course with all these residents and guests
there was quite a lot of clothes and bedding to be laundered. Most big houses
had a laundry where a number of young girls under the supervision of an older
and more experienced overseer would work.
All these people had to be fed which provided work for cooks and scullery
maids plus attendees to wait on table in the main dining room
There were grounds and gardens to be maintained by a team of gardeners under
the charge of a head gardener. There were horses to be groomed and attended.
As regards deliveries, there weren't that many. Every estate worthy of the
name was virtually self sufficient. Those same gardens provided all the
vegetables and the estate farm(s) the meat. joiners and carpenters were
employed ad hoc to make and maintain furniture. Builders, masons and allied
tradesmen were employed sometimes full time to maintain the buildings.
The hey day of the landed estate came to the end with the First World War
though there is some evidence that the decline had set in before then.
Their source of labour dried up as me were conscripted or, with women took up
better paid jobs in factories. They tended to remain in these jobs after the
war ended. Then there were the death duties introduced to pay for it. Much
land and even entire estates were sold off to meet these liabilities.
Some landowners have passed over their estates to the National Trust in lieu
of Death duties or inheritance tax. It's sad really but difficult to see how
such places could survive modern economic realities.
Where owners have managed to cling onto their inheritances most have followed
the NT route and opened them up to the public in some way. They no longer
live in the big houses unless it's in a private wing or in a house built or
renovated in an isolated part of the estate.
My wife and I have over the years spent countless hours mooching around these
places looking at old photographs of long dead families and retinues of
servants who once kept the place alive.
A way of life, long gone which should never be forgotten.
Yawn.....
Mark, Devon
2019-11-11 18:56:04 UTC
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Eton does not cost the UK taxpayer a single penny>>
LOL...you love the expression 'single penny' don't you? According to you three years ago we'd leave the EU without paying a 'single penny'. And your new leader BonZo (rather than Farage now, it appears) said he'd do or die and we'd be out by the end of last month.

Tory 'leaders', like Farage and BonZo and Muggled, are full of lies aren't they? But one lie BonZo won't be allowed to get away with (as he'll probably be re-elected, I know, by sheep like Abbie) is the one where he promised the extra £350m per week for the NHS from Brexit Day 1.....ON TOP of current spending promises.
Mark, Devon
2019-11-11 20:12:06 UTC
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Farage now claims BonZo tried to buy him with a peerage a couple of days ago. The old boys club of the political establishment, all reunited, without principles nor scruples.

Meanwhile Flocksy Moggsy lounges around all day, practicing big words, and rehearsing opportunities to pretend he's using them spontaneously....Son of Eton.....but in truth he knows some people will still think he's dead clevva….'cos there are plenty more mugs around, in addition to him. Flocksy Blakey Muggsy and Malfoy BonZo….what a pair of jokers.
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