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Keema's Nan
2020-03-23 11:30:17 UTC
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Britain’s trains have effectively been nationalised, at least temporarily,
after the government suspended rail franchise agreements to avoid train
companies collapsing because of the coronavirus.

Under emergency measures announced by the Department forTransport
(https://www.theguardian.com/uk/transport)(DfT), train operators have been
offered the chance to transfer “all revenue and cost risk” to the
government and be paid a small management fee to continue running services.

The industry body the Rail Delivery Group (RDG) said it “strongly
welcomes” the proposals.

While the measures are temporary, they nonetheless signal the permanent end
of the UK’s complex rail franchising system, which was already likely to be
abolished by the government-commissioned Williams review.

The emergency measures will be in place for an initial period of six months,
the DfT said, in order to “minimise disruption to the rail sector”.

Allowing operators to enter insolvency would cause “significantly more
disruption to passengers and higher costs to the taxpayer”, the department
added.

The DfT said passenger numbers had fallen by up to 70%, while ticket sales
were down by two-thirds on the same period of 2019.

Train services have been cut back from Monday on the back of government
advice to avoid all non-essential travel to stem the outbreak of Covid-19.
The advice was updated on Sunday to include “second homes, campsites,
caravan parks”.

The transport secretary,Grant Shapps
(https://www.theguardian.com/politics/grant-shapps), said: “We are taking
this action to protect the key workers who depend on our railways to carry on
their vital roles, the hardworking commuters who have radically altered their
lives to combat the spread of coronavirus and the frontline rail staff who
are keeping the country moving.

“People deserve certainty that the services they need will run or that
their job is not at risk in these unprecedented times.

“We are also helping passengers get refunds on advance tickets to ensure no
one is unfairly out of pocket for doing the right thing.

“These offers will give operators the confidence and certainty so they can
play their part in the national interest.”

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The department said fees paid to rail firms by the government during the
emergency measures were intended to incentivise them to meet performance
targets and the maximum fee attainable will be “far less than recent
profits earned by train operators”.

The RDG chief executive, Paul Plummer, said: “The industry strongly
welcomes the Department for Transport’s offer of temporary support and,
while we need to finalise the details, this will ensure that train companies
can focus all their efforts on delivering a vital service at a time of
national need.”
Pancho
2020-03-23 11:36:24 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Britain’s trains have effectively been nationalised,
Lol! I forget did we elect Corbyn.

It seems BoJo's actual spending plans etc have blown Corbyn's
"unfeasible" manifesto promises out of the water.
abelard
2020-03-23 13:53:57 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 11:30:17 +0000, Keema's Nan
Britain’s trains have effectively been nationalised, at least temporarily,
after the government suspended rail franchise agreements to avoid train
companies collapsing because of the coronavirus.
large proportions of 'the economy' were taken under government
edict in order to remove hitler's socialist dictatorship

after the war, socialists like attlee tried to hang on to that
dictatorship....thus putting britain into the basketcase
category...most of that destruction has been removed since
but the wreckage of socialism is immense....it always is...

it is capitalism that defeated the likes of adolf...ever since, other
idiots have been trying to resurrect socialism

we have a war on our hands with covid...it is big pharma that
will stop it...not the guns of the people's liberation army


i don't expect you to understand the half of the damage...
i do expect you to continue to learn!
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www.abelard.org
Keema's Nan
2020-03-23 14:06:43 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 11:30:17 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Britain’s trains have effectively been nationalised, at least temporarily,
after the government suspended rail franchise agreements to avoid train
companies collapsing because of the coronavirus.
large proportions of 'the economy' were taken under government
edict in order to remove hitler's socialist dictatorship
after the war, socialists like attlee tried to hang on to that
dictatorship....thus putting britain into the basketcase
category...most of that destruction has been removed since
but the wreckage of socialism is immense....it always is...
it is capitalism that defeated the likes of adolf...ever since, other
idiots have been trying to resurrect socialism
Are you surprised? Most sane people knew that capitalism could not cope in
any global crisis.

‘Where can we maximise our profits?’ does not sit too well with billions
being laid off and the deepest global downturn in a century (if not longer).

The penny is dropping around the world that all the capitalist corporations
want is profits or bailouts. They are not interested in social responsibility
or altruism. I did hint that fate would find a way of punishing the corrupt
and ultra wealthy if they didn’t put their own house of lies and false
flags in order; but no one listened and now it has come to pass.

There will still be some who desperately cling on to the '90% for me, 10% for
the rest of the world’ dictat, but they will get short shrift from the
billions who are beginning to realise just how disposable they are.

Unfortunately, I do not expect you to learn.
abelard
2020-03-23 14:11:42 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 11:30:17 +0000, Keema's Nan
Britain’s trains have effectively been nationalised, at least temporarily,
after the government suspended rail franchise agreements to avoid train
companies collapsing because of the coronavirus.
large proportions of 'the economy' were taken under government
edict in order to remove hitler's socialist dictatorship
after the war, socialists like attlee tried to hang on to that
dictatorship....thus putting britain into the basketcase
category...most of that destruction has been removed since
but the wreckage of socialism is immense....it always is...
it is capitalism that defeated the likes of adolf...ever since, other
idiots have been trying to resurrect socialism
Are you surprised? Most sane people knew that capitalism could not cope in
any global crisis.
‘Where can we maximise our profits?’ does not sit too well with billions
being laid off and the deepest global downturn in a century (if not longer).
The penny is dropping around the world that all the capitalist corporations
want is profits or bailouts. They are not interested in social responsibility
or altruism. I did hint that fate would find a way of punishing the corrupt
and ultra wealthy if they didn’t put their own house of lies and false
flags in order; but no one listened and now it has come to pass.
There will still be some who desperately cling on to the '90% for me, 10% for
the rest of the world’ dictat, but they will get short shrift from the
billions who are beginning to realise just how disposable they are.
Unfortunately, I do not expect you to learn.
i have no problem...

i am well aware that more government centralised control
is useful/necessary under temporary emergencies

those who have religions based on extremes like socialism
or even the less damaging market fundamentalism are
those who undermine freedom and sense

i still expect you to learn, but then, i am not a socialist fundy
--
www.abelard.org
Keema's Nan
2020-03-23 14:34:43 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:06:43 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 11:30:17 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Britain’s trains have effectively been nationalised, at least temporarily,
after the government suspended rail franchise agreements to avoid train
companies collapsing because of the coronavirus.
large proportions of 'the economy' were taken under government
edict in order to remove hitler's socialist dictatorship
after the war, socialists like attlee tried to hang on to that
dictatorship....thus putting britain into the basketcase
category...most of that destruction has been removed since
but the wreckage of socialism is immense....it always is...
it is capitalism that defeated the likes of adolf...ever since, other
idiots have been trying to resurrect socialism
Are you surprised? Most sane people knew that capitalism could not cope in
any global crisis.
‘Where can we maximise our profits?’ does not sit too well with billions
being laid off and the deepest global downturn in a century (if not longer).
The penny is dropping around the world that all the capitalist corporations
want is profits or bailouts. They are not interested in social responsibility
or altruism. I did hint that fate would find a way of punishing the corrupt
and ultra wealthy if they didn’t put their own house of lies and false
flags in order; but no one listened and now it has come to pass.
There will still be some who desperately cling on to the '90% for me, 10% for
the rest of the world’ dictat, but they will get short shrift from the
billions who are beginning to realise just how disposable they are.
Unfortunately, I do not expect you to learn.
i have no problem...
i am well aware that more government centralised control
is useful/necessary under temporary emergencies
Capitalism is dying.

Admit it, and stop your denial. You will feel better for it.
Post by abelard
those who have religions based on extremes like socialism
or even the less damaging market fundamentalism are
those who undermine freedom and sense
i still expect you to learn, but then, i am not a socialist fundy
Nor am I, but at least I have enough brain cells to cope with different
opinions.
abelard
2020-03-23 14:36:27 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:34:43 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:06:43 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 11:30:17 +0000, Keema's Nan
Britain’s trains have effectively been nationalised, at least temporarily,
after the government suspended rail franchise agreements to avoid train
companies collapsing because of the coronavirus.
large proportions of 'the economy' were taken under government
edict in order to remove hitler's socialist dictatorship
after the war, socialists like attlee tried to hang on to that
dictatorship....thus putting britain into the basketcase
category...most of that destruction has been removed since
but the wreckage of socialism is immense....it always is...
it is capitalism that defeated the likes of adolf...ever since, other
idiots have been trying to resurrect socialism
Are you surprised? Most sane people knew that capitalism could not cope in
any global crisis.
‘Where can we maximise our profits?’ does not sit too well with billions
being laid off and the deepest global downturn in a century (if not longer).
The penny is dropping around the world that all the capitalist corporations
want is profits or bailouts. They are not interested in social responsibility
or altruism. I did hint that fate would find a way of punishing the corrupt
and ultra wealthy if they didn’t put their own house of lies and false
flags in order; but no one listened and now it has come to pass.
There will still be some who desperately cling on to the '90% for me, 10% for
the rest of the world’ dictat, but they will get short shrift from the
billions who are beginning to realise just how disposable they are.
Unfortunately, I do not expect you to learn.
i have no problem...
i am well aware that more government centralised control
is useful/necessary under temporary emergencies
Capitalism is dying.
Admit it, and stop your denial. You will feel better for it.
Post by abelard
those who have religions based on extremes like socialism
or even the less damaging market fundamentalism are
those who undermine freedom and sense
i still expect you to learn, but then, i am not a socialist fundy
Nor am I, but at least I have enough brain cells to cope with different
opinions.
all religions are equal
--
www.abelard.org
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