Discussion:
Cummings - Boris is more useless and more ruthless than media image.
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Pancho
2021-07-06 11:30:22 UTC
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<https://www.politico.eu/article/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-told-his-former-chief-aide-its-ludicrous-he-became-pm/>

Boris was interested in *being* PM, but has no interest in doing the job
or in policy.

The thing that Cummings doesn't touch on is... if this matters. Do we
need a hands on PM, or is it ok to have a ceremonial figurehead. A
person who delegates executive power to others.

Or maybe it is Dom who is confused, perhaps whilst he was interested in
policy micromanagement he missed that Boris was taking an interest in
man management, deciding who he could delegate his duties too.
Joe
2021-07-06 14:07:41 UTC
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On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 12:30:22 +0100
Post by Pancho
<https://www.politico.eu/article/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-told-his-former-chief-aide-its-ludicrous-he-became-pm/>
Boris was interested in *being* PM, but has no interest in doing the
job or in policy.
The thing that Cummings doesn't touch on is... if this matters. Do we
need a hands on PM, or is it ok to have a ceremonial figurehead. A
person who delegates executive power to others.
Or maybe it is Dom who is confused, perhaps whilst he was interested
in policy micromanagement he missed that Boris was taking an interest
in man management, deciding who he could delegate his duties too.
If a PM shows too much personal initiative, he gets criticised for not
operating 'cabinet government' correctly, or as the peasants would say,
keeping a dog and barking yourself. Damned if you do...
--
Joe
Incubus
2021-07-07 09:56:10 UTC
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Post by Pancho
<https://www.politico.eu/article/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-told-his-former-chief-aide-its-ludicrous-he-became-pm/>
Boris was interested in *being* PM, but has no interest in doing the job
or in policy.
The thing that Cummings doesn't touch on is... if this matters. Do we
need a hands on PM, or is it ok to have a ceremonial figurehead. A
person who delegates executive power to others.
Or maybe it is Dom who is confused, perhaps whilst he was interested in
policy micromanagement he missed that Boris was taking an interest in
man management, deciding who he could delegate his duties too.
It's funny how the same people who previously said Cummings was untrustworthy
and a psychopath are now lapping up everything he utters as though it's the
gospel truth said with no self-interest whatsoever. You will see this
hypocrisy particularly in the comments section on Guardian articles.
Joe
2021-07-07 19:17:48 UTC
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On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 09:56:10 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Incubus
Post by Pancho
<https://www.politico.eu/article/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-told-his-former-chief-aide-its-ludicrous-he-became-pm/>
Boris was interested in *being* PM, but has no interest in doing
the job or in policy.
The thing that Cummings doesn't touch on is... if this matters. Do
we need a hands on PM, or is it ok to have a ceremonial figurehead.
A person who delegates executive power to others.
Or maybe it is Dom who is confused, perhaps whilst he was
interested in policy micromanagement he missed that Boris was
taking an interest in man management, deciding who he could
delegate his duties too.
It's funny how the same people who previously said Cummings was
untrustworthy and a psychopath are now lapping up everything he
utters as though it's the gospel truth said with no self-interest
whatsoever. You will see this hypocrisy particularly in the comments
section on Guardian articles.
They think most people have the attention span of a goldfish, and they
may well be right...
--
Joe
abelard
2021-07-07 22:00:56 UTC
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Post by Joe
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 09:56:10 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Incubus
Post by Pancho
<https://www.politico.eu/article/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-told-his-former-chief-aide-its-ludicrous-he-became-pm/>
Boris was interested in *being* PM, but has no interest in doing
the job or in policy.
The thing that Cummings doesn't touch on is... if this matters. Do
we need a hands on PM, or is it ok to have a ceremonial figurehead.
A person who delegates executive power to others.
Or maybe it is Dom who is confused, perhaps whilst he was
interested in policy micromanagement he missed that Boris was
taking an interest in man management, deciding who he could
delegate his duties too.
It's funny how the same people who previously said Cummings was
untrustworthy and a psychopath are now lapping up everything he
utters as though it's the gospel truth said with no self-interest
whatsoever. You will see this hypocrisy particularly in the comments
section on Guardian articles.
They think most people have the attention span of a goldfish, and they
may well be right...
it is not only their 'readers' who have the attention
span of a goldfish!
Ian Jackson
2021-07-07 21:49:39 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by Pancho
<https://www.politico.eu/article/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-told-hi
s-former-chief-aide-its-ludicrous-he-became-pm/>
Boris was interested in *being* PM, but has no interest in doing the job
or in policy.
The thing that Cummings doesn't touch on is... if this matters. Do we
need a hands on PM, or is it ok to have a ceremonial figurehead. A
person who delegates executive power to others.
Or maybe it is Dom who is confused, perhaps whilst he was interested in
policy micromanagement he missed that Boris was taking an interest in
man management, deciding who he could delegate his duties too.
It's funny how the same people who previously said Cummings was untrustworthy
and a psychopath are now lapping up everything he utters as though it's the
gospel truth said with no self-interest whatsoever. You will see this
hypocrisy particularly in the comments section on Guardian articles.
Cummings was working for The Government. His primary job was to give
them expert advice on how to get Brexit done.

Regardless of what your opinions are about Brexit, he did a good job.
For all we know he disapproved of Brexit - but a job is a job, and his
future prospects probably looked good.

Who cares if you're working for a load of absolute nutters, as long as
the pay is good? Obviously, if they sack you, you can finally spill the
beans about what you really thought about them.
--
Ian
abelard
2021-07-07 22:08:04 UTC
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On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 22:49:39 +0100, Ian Jackson
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Incubus
Post by Pancho
<https://www.politico.eu/article/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-told-hi
s-former-chief-aide-its-ludicrous-he-became-pm/>
Boris was interested in *being* PM, but has no interest in doing the job
or in policy.
The thing that Cummings doesn't touch on is... if this matters. Do we
need a hands on PM, or is it ok to have a ceremonial figurehead. A
person who delegates executive power to others.
Or maybe it is Dom who is confused, perhaps whilst he was interested in
policy micromanagement he missed that Boris was taking an interest in
man management, deciding who he could delegate his duties too.
It's funny how the same people who previously said Cummings was untrustworthy
and a psychopath are now lapping up everything he utters as though it's the
gospel truth said with no self-interest whatsoever. You will see this
hypocrisy particularly in the comments section on Guardian articles.
Cummings was working for The Government. His primary job was to give
them expert advice on how to get Brexit done.
Regardless of what your opinions are about Brexit, he did a good job.
For all we know he disapproved of Brexit - but a job is a job, and his
future prospects probably looked good.
Who cares if you're working for a load of absolute nutters, as long as
the pay is good? Obviously, if they sack you, you can finally spill the
beans about what you really thought about them.
companies employ consultants in order to have
someone to blame
they don't make the consultant, managing director
Ian Jackson
2021-07-07 22:24:10 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 22:49:39 +0100, Ian Jackson
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Incubus
Post by Pancho
<https://www.politico.eu/article/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-told-hi
s-former-chief-aide-its-ludicrous-he-became-pm/>
Boris was interested in *being* PM, but has no interest in doing the job
or in policy.
The thing that Cummings doesn't touch on is... if this matters. Do we
need a hands on PM, or is it ok to have a ceremonial figurehead. A
person who delegates executive power to others.
Or maybe it is Dom who is confused, perhaps whilst he was interested in
policy micromanagement he missed that Boris was taking an interest in
man management, deciding who he could delegate his duties too.
It's funny how the same people who previously said Cummings was untrustworthy
and a psychopath are now lapping up everything he utters as though it's the
gospel truth said with no self-interest whatsoever. You will see this
hypocrisy particularly in the comments section on Guardian articles.
Cummings was working for The Government. His primary job was to give
them expert advice on how to get Brexit done.
Regardless of what your opinions are about Brexit, he did a good job.
For all we know he disapproved of Brexit - but a job is a job, and his
future prospects probably looked good.
Who cares if you're working for a load of absolute nutters, as long as
the pay is good? Obviously, if they sack you, you can finally spill the
beans about what you really thought about them.
companies employ consultants in order to have
someone to blame
they don't make the consultant, managing director
I doubt if they intended that Cummings should be a 'fall guy'. Knowing
what he knew and thought about them must have made it very difficult for
them to sack him - but in the end, as his 'great sin' of driving to
Barnard Castle was increasing bringing them into disrepute, they
probably had little option.
--
Ian
Joe
2021-07-08 09:27:37 UTC
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On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 22:49:39 +0100
Post by Ian Jackson
Obviously, if they sack you, you can finally
spill the beans about what you really thought about them.
That depends on whether you expect to be trusted in the future.
--
Joe
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