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Pamela
2020-03-24 10:28:42 UTC
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Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.

Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home? Workers
such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care
home workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, etc.

The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as they
saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.

Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in worse
place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
Norman Wells
2020-03-24 10:59:16 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home? Workers
such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care
home workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, etc.
The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as they
saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.
Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in worse
place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
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Incubus
2020-03-24 11:02:45 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
What did we do to scare them exactly? Wait until they left work and jumped out
of the bushes wearing a gimp mask?
Post by Pamela
Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home? Workers
such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care
home workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, etc.
Why did we encourage them to come here in the first place causing high
unemployment?
Post by Pamela
The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as they
saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.
If those countries are so great to begin with, why did they leave? Most of the
foreign NHS staff I meet are from shithole countries outside the EU. They're
not going back any time soon.
Post by Pamela
Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in worse
place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
The NHS has more cash right now than it has ever had.
Pamela
2020-03-24 11:22:38 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
What did we do to scare them exactly? Wait until they left work and
jumped out of the bushes wearing a gimp mask?
"More than 10,000 EU nationals have left the NHS since the Brexit
referendum, including almost 5,000 nurses. These new figures will add
fuel to concerns about a wider staffing crisis."

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/24/nhs-winter-crisis-
thousands-eu-staff-quit

We made foreign workers (not just in health) leave by creating a climate
of fear and uncertainty about their future prospects to remain in this
country. Now, at a time of epidemic, we see how truly short sighted that
was although I don't expect Brexiteers to admit it, as they've failed to
admit every other shortcoming of Brexit.
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Post by Pamela
Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home? Workers
such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care
home workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, etc.
Why did we encourage them to come here in the first place causing high
unemployment?
We need foreign labour right now. Will native Brits go into farms and
fields to pick crops? We've lost foreign hospital cleaners, care
assistants, delivery drivers, etc which we need right this minute -- and I
don't see Brits surging forward to fill the gap. What an own goal.
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Post by Pamela
The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as
they saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.
If those countries are so great to begin with, why did they leave? Most
of the foreign NHS staff I meet are from shithole countries outside the
EU. They're not going back any time soon.
Stop worrying about how bad it is in other countries and worry about how
bad it has become here at a time of need.
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Post by Pamela
Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in
worse place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
The NHS has more cash right now than it has ever had.
Survey after survey shows patient satisfaction with the NHS is at an all
time low. The number of British hospital beds have been halved over the
last 30 years and is now the lowest in Europe. We need acute beds right
now and it's so bad we're converting exhibition centres into field
hospitals.

Our hospital staff are worn out already because of the required workload
to make up for departed staff.
Keema's Nan
2020-03-24 11:43:57 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
What did we do to scare them exactly? Wait until they left work and
jumped out of the bushes wearing a gimp mask?
"More than 10,000 EU nationals have left the NHS since the Brexit
referendum, including almost 5,000 nurses. These new figures will add
fuel to concerns about a wider staffing crisis."
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/24/nhs-winter-crisis-
thousands-eu-staff-quit
We made foreign workers (not just in health) leave by creating a climate
of fear and uncertainty about their future prospects to remain in this
country. Now, at a time of epidemic, we see how truly short sighted that
was although I don't expect Brexiteers to admit it, as they've failed to
admit every other shortcoming of Brexit.
Post by Pamela
Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home? Workers
such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care
home workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, etc.
Why did we encourage them to come here in the first place causing high
unemployment?
We need foreign labour right now.
Why? With millions being laid off, I expect there are many who would
willingly transfer to an essential job, even if it is just driving a van full
of supplies to a hospital.
Post by Pamela
Will native Brits go into farms and
fields to pick crops?
Why not?

If it is a choice between going hungry and having nothing to do, I’m sure
millions would prefer to earn money picking strawberries, or whatever.
Post by Pamela
We've lost foreign hospital cleaners, care
assistants, delivery drivers, etc which we need right this minute -- and I
don't see Brits surging forward to fill the gap.
But that is simply because you are just assuming your own prejudices are
facts.
Post by Pamela
What an own goal.
Post by Pamela
The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as
they saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.
If those countries are so great to begin with, why did they leave? Most
of the foreign NHS staff I meet are from shithole countries outside the
EU. They're not going back any time soon.
Stop worrying about how bad it is in other countries and worry about how
bad it has become here at a time of need.
And how bad is that?

I see an opportunity to repair transport infrastructure while few people are
using it.
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Post by Pamela
Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in
worse place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
The NHS has more cash right now than it has ever had.
Survey after survey shows patient satisfaction with the NHS is at an all
time low. The number of British hospital beds have been halved over the
last 30 years and is now the lowest in Europe. We need acute beds right
now and it's so bad we're converting exhibition centres into field
hospitals.
Isn’t that simply logic? We are expecting a large number of people who are
currently healthy (or relatively so) to fall ill.

In normal times we do not.

Doesn’t it make sense to have temporary hospitals at the ready for this
projected onslaught?
Post by Pamela
Our hospital staff are worn out already because of the required workload
to make up for departed staff.
You seem to base all your arguments on 100% hindsight, which is not clever at
all.
Pamela
2020-03-24 12:31:06 UTC
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You seem to base all your arguments on 100% hindsight, which is not
clever at all.
The loss of skilled and unskilled foreign labour on account of Brexit was
predicted and debated a long time ago. There were plenty of warnings that we
would lose staff providing essential services, but the avidly pro-Brexit
response was Brits would soon fill those jobs especially if wages went up.

We left ourselves vulnerable. Then coronavirus came.
WWWWWWWWDWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLW?
2020-03-24 12:37:17 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
You seem to base all your arguments on 100% hindsight, which is not
clever at all.
The loss of skilled and unskilled foreign labour on account of Brexit
was predicted and debated a long time ago. There were plenty of
warnings that we would lose staff providing essential services, but
the avidly pro-Brexit response was Brits would soon fill those jobs
especially if wages went up.
We left ourselves vulnerable. Then coronavirus came.
Why don't you help to volunteer in your community instead of fear
mongering and panicking?
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Incubus
2020-03-24 13:06:52 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
You seem to base all your arguments on 100% hindsight, which is not
clever at all.
The loss of skilled and unskilled foreign labour on account of Brexit was
predicted and debated a long time ago.
Maybe those predictions were self-fulfilling.
Keema's Nan
2020-03-24 13:40:32 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
You seem to base all your arguments on 100% hindsight, which is not
clever at all.
The loss of skilled and unskilled foreign labour on account of Brexit was
predicted and debated a long time ago. There were plenty of warnings that we
would lose staff providing essential services, but the avidly pro-Brexit
response was Brits would soon fill those jobs especially if wages went up.
We left ourselves vulnerable. Then coronavirus came.
As far as the planet is concerned, *we* are the virus.

COVID-19 is nature’s solution.Survival of the fittest, and all that.
Dan S. MacAbre
2020-03-24 14:03:44 UTC
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You seem to base all your arguments on 100% hindsight, which is not
clever at all.
The loss of skilled and unskilled foreign labour on account of Brexit was
predicted and debated a long time ago. There were plenty of warnings that we
would lose staff providing essential services, but the avidly pro-Brexit
response was Brits would soon fill those jobs especially if wages went up.
We left ourselves vulnerable. Then coronavirus came.
As far as the planet is concerned, *we* are the virus.
COVID-19 is nature’s solution.Survival of the fittest, and all that.
Nice to see people becoming rather philosophical about the whole thing :-)
Keema's Nan
2020-03-24 14:07:05 UTC
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You seem to base all your arguments on 100% hindsight, which is not
clever at all.
The loss of skilled and unskilled foreign labour on account of Brexit was
predicted and debated a long time ago. There were plenty of warnings that we
would lose staff providing essential services, but the avidly pro-Brexit
response was Brits would soon fill those jobs especially if wages went up.
We left ourselves vulnerable. Then coronavirus came.
As far as the planet is concerned, *we* are the virus.
COVID-19 is nature’s solution.Survival of the fittest, and all that.
Nice to see people becoming rather philosophical about the whole thing :-)
Hmmmmm....

Well if we will not address the AGW problem, then nature will do it for us -
and not in the manner we would choose, necessarily.
Pamela
2020-03-24 14:16:21 UTC
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On 24 Mar 2020, Pamela wrote (in article
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Post by Keema's Nan
You seem to base all your arguments on 100% hindsight, which is not
clever at all.
The loss of skilled and unskilled foreign labour on account of Brexit
was predicted and debated a long time ago. There were plenty of
warnings that we would lose staff providing essential services, but the
avidly pro-Brexit response was Brits would soon fill those jobs
especially if wages went up.
We left ourselves vulnerable. Then coronavirus came.
As far as the planet is concerned, *we* are the virus.
COVID-19 is nature's solution.Survival of the fittest, and all that.
I heard that put slightly differently by an virologist who said the
coronavirus is actually very weak and can not survive without us. If we
don't provide a new host for it within days then it dies.
abelard
2020-03-24 14:20:17 UTC
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On 24 Mar 2020, Pamela wrote (in article
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Post by Keema's Nan
You seem to base all your arguments on 100% hindsight, which is not
clever at all.
The loss of skilled and unskilled foreign labour on account of Brexit
was predicted and debated a long time ago. There were plenty of
warnings that we would lose staff providing essential services, but the
avidly pro-Brexit response was Brits would soon fill those jobs
especially if wages went up.
We left ourselves vulnerable. Then coronavirus came.
As far as the planet is concerned, *we* are the virus.
COVID-19 is nature's solution.Survival of the fittest, and all that.
I heard that put slightly differently by an virologist who said the
coronavirus is actually very weak and can not survive without us.
'us' in your case being bats i presume
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If we
don't provide a new host for it within days then it dies.
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Norman Wells
2020-03-24 15:25:12 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
You seem to base all your arguments on 100% hindsight, which is not
clever at all.
The loss of skilled and unskilled foreign labour on account of Brexit was
predicted and debated a long time ago. There were plenty of warnings that we
would lose staff providing essential services, but the avidly pro-Brexit
response was Brits would soon fill those jobs especially if wages went up.
We left ourselves vulnerable. Then coronavirus came.
As far as the planet is concerned, *we* are the virus.
COVID-19 is nature’s solution.Survival of the fittest, and all that.
No, it can't be. It is Allah's soldier, and muslims are immune. An
imam told me, so it must be true:


Dan S. MacAbre
2020-03-24 11:48:13 UTC
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Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
What did we do to scare them exactly? Wait until they left work and
jumped out of the bushes wearing a gimp mask?
"More than 10,000 EU nationals have left the NHS since the Brexit
referendum, including almost 5,000 nurses. These new figures will add
fuel to concerns about a wider staffing crisis."
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/24/nhs-winter-crisis-
thousands-eu-staff-quit
We made foreign workers (not just in health) leave by creating a climate
of fear and uncertainty about their future prospects to remain in this
country. Now, at a time of epidemic, we see how truly short sighted that
was although I don't expect Brexiteers to admit it, as they've failed to
admit every other shortcoming of Brexit.
As someone whose missus is an EU national, I can confirm that the
guardian certainly played its part in creating fear and uncertainty.
abelard
2020-03-24 11:52:42 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
What did we do to scare them exactly? Wait until they left work and
jumped out of the bushes wearing a gimp mask?
"More than 10,000 EU nationals have left the NHS since the Brexit
referendum, including almost 5,000 nurses. These new figures will add
fuel to concerns about a wider staffing crisis."
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/24/nhs-winter-crisis-
thousands-eu-staff-quit
We made foreign workers (not just in health) leave by creating a climate
of fear and uncertainty about their future prospects to remain in this
country. Now, at a time of epidemic, we see how truly short sighted that
was although I don't expect Brexiteers to admit it, as they've failed to
admit every other shortcoming of Brexit.
As someone whose missus is an EU national, I can confirm that the
guardian certainly played its part in creating fear and uncertainty.
the eussr...that bastion of solidarity
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Ophelia
2020-03-24 12:52:13 UTC
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"Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in message news:r5cs1u$ouj$***@dont-email.me...
As someone whose missus is an EU national, I can confirm that the
guardian certainly played its part in creating fear and uncertainty.

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I hope all her family are safe and well!
Dan S. MacAbre
2020-03-24 12:56:24 UTC
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As someone whose missus is an EU national, I can confirm that the
guardian certainly played its part in creating fear and uncertainty.
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I hope all her family are safe and well!
So far :-) Did you get your pasta machine?
Ophelia
2020-03-24 13:31:27 UTC
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As someone whose missus is an EU national, I can confirm that the guardian
certainly played its part in creating fear and uncertainty.
===
I hope all her family are safe and well!
So far :-) Did you get your pasta machine?

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YES:) haven't been able to use it yet. I have torn a muscle in the top of
my arm. i am typing this with my left hand.

I am really fed up,
Dan S. MacAbre
2020-03-24 14:06:26 UTC
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Post by Dan S. MacAbre
As someone whose missus is an EU national, I can confirm that the
guardian certainly played its part in creating fear and uncertainty.
===
I hope all her family are safe and well!
So far :-)  Did you get your pasta machine?
====
YES:)   haven't been able to use it yet. I have torn a muscle in the top
of my arm. i am typing this with my left hand.
I am really fed up,
My missus hasn't used ours yet. She seems to think it's my toy, not hers.
Ophelia
2020-03-24 15:07:16 UTC
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Post by Dan S. MacAbre
As someone whose missus is an EU national, I can confirm that the
guardian certainly played its part in creating fear and uncertainty.
===
I hope all her family are safe and well!
So far :-) Did you get your pasta machine?
====
YES:) haven't been able to use it yet. I have torn a muscle in the top
of my arm. i am typing this with my left hand.
I am really fed up,
My missus hasn't used ours yet. She seems to think it's my toy, not hers.

====

LOL I think there is a meessage there!!!
Pamela
2020-03-24 12:58:16 UTC
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Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
What did we do to scare them exactly? Wait until they left work and
jumped out of the bushes wearing a gimp mask?
"More than 10,000 EU nationals have left the NHS since the Brexit
referendum, including almost 5,000 nurses. These new figures will add
fuel to concerns about a wider staffing crisis."
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/24/nhs-winter-crisis-
thousands-eu-staff-quit
We made foreign workers (not just in health) leave by creating a climate
of fear and uncertainty about their future prospects to remain in this
country. Now, at a time of epidemic, we see how truly short sighted that
was although I don't expect Brexiteers to admit it, as they've failed to
admit every other shortcoming of Brexit.
As someone whose missus is an EU national, I can confirm that the
guardian certainly played its part in creating fear and uncertainty.
Is her judgement reliable? Look who she married. :)
Dan S. MacAbre
2020-03-24 13:39:04 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
What did we do to scare them exactly? Wait until they left work and
jumped out of the bushes wearing a gimp mask?
"More than 10,000 EU nationals have left the NHS since the Brexit
referendum, including almost 5,000 nurses. These new figures will add
fuel to concerns about a wider staffing crisis."
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/24/nhs-winter-crisis-
thousands-eu-staff-quit
We made foreign workers (not just in health) leave by creating a climate
of fear and uncertainty about their future prospects to remain in this
country. Now, at a time of epidemic, we see how truly short sighted that
was although I don't expect Brexiteers to admit it, as they've failed to
admit every other shortcoming of Brexit.
As someone whose missus is an EU national, I can confirm that the
guardian certainly played its part in creating fear and uncertainty.
Is her judgement reliable? Look who she married. :)
'Whom,' Lewis. :-) Her judgment is certainly questionable, I'll have to
admit. And, when it comes to scare stories, she is rather over-credulous.
abelard
2020-03-24 13:41:34 UTC
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Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
What did we do to scare them exactly? Wait until they left work and
jumped out of the bushes wearing a gimp mask?
"More than 10,000 EU nationals have left the NHS since the Brexit
referendum, including almost 5,000 nurses. These new figures will add
fuel to concerns about a wider staffing crisis."
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/24/nhs-winter-crisis-
thousands-eu-staff-quit
We made foreign workers (not just in health) leave by creating a climate
of fear and uncertainty about their future prospects to remain in this
country. Now, at a time of epidemic, we see how truly short sighted that
was although I don't expect Brexiteers to admit it, as they've failed to
admit every other shortcoming of Brexit.
As someone whose missus is an EU national, I can confirm that the
guardian certainly played its part in creating fear and uncertainty.
Is her judgement reliable? Look who she married. :)
'Whom,' Lewis. :-) Her judgment is certainly questionable, I'll have to
admit. And, when it comes to scare stories, she is rather over-credulous.
so is spammy
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Incubus
2020-03-24 13:06:01 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
What did we do to scare them exactly? Wait until they left work and
jumped out of the bushes wearing a gimp mask?
"More than 10,000 EU nationals have left the NHS since the Brexit
referendum, including almost 5,000 nurses. These new figures will add
fuel to concerns about a wider staffing crisis."
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/24/nhs-winter-crisis-
thousands-eu-staff-quit
We made foreign workers (not just in health) leave by creating a climate
of fear and uncertainty about their future prospects to remain in this
country. Now, at a time of epidemic, we see how truly short sighted that
was although I don't expect Brexiteers to admit it, as they've failed to
admit every other shortcoming of Brexit.
As someone whose missus is an EU national, I can confirm that the
guardian certainly played its part in creating fear and uncertainty.
Indeed, even the most ardent Leavers did not suggest that we get rid of anyone
living here legally who is gainfully employed and behaves themselves. The
Guardian acted as though we were trying to implement the Fourth Reich!
Dan S. MacAbre
2020-03-24 13:40:08 UTC
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Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
What did we do to scare them exactly? Wait until they left work and
jumped out of the bushes wearing a gimp mask?
"More than 10,000 EU nationals have left the NHS since the Brexit
referendum, including almost 5,000 nurses. These new figures will add
fuel to concerns about a wider staffing crisis."
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/24/nhs-winter-crisis-
thousands-eu-staff-quit
We made foreign workers (not just in health) leave by creating a climate
of fear and uncertainty about their future prospects to remain in this
country. Now, at a time of epidemic, we see how truly short sighted that
was although I don't expect Brexiteers to admit it, as they've failed to
admit every other shortcoming of Brexit.
As someone whose missus is an EU national, I can confirm that the
guardian certainly played its part in creating fear and uncertainty.
Indeed, even the most ardent Leavers did not suggest that we get rid of anyone
living here legally who is gainfully employed and behaves themselves. The
Guardian acted as though we were trying to implement the Fourth Reich!
I hope they go out of business soon, but I fear they are well-financed
by powerful people.
Incubus
2020-03-24 15:19:30 UTC
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Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
What did we do to scare them exactly? Wait until they left work and
jumped out of the bushes wearing a gimp mask?
"More than 10,000 EU nationals have left the NHS since the Brexit
referendum, including almost 5,000 nurses. These new figures will add
fuel to concerns about a wider staffing crisis."
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/24/nhs-winter-crisis-
thousands-eu-staff-quit
We made foreign workers (not just in health) leave by creating a climate
of fear and uncertainty about their future prospects to remain in this
country. Now, at a time of epidemic, we see how truly short sighted that
was although I don't expect Brexiteers to admit it, as they've failed to
admit every other shortcoming of Brexit.
As someone whose missus is an EU national, I can confirm that the
guardian certainly played its part in creating fear and uncertainty.
Indeed, even the most ardent Leavers did not suggest that we get rid of anyone
living here legally who is gainfully employed and behaves themselves. The
Guardian acted as though we were trying to implement the Fourth Reich!
I hope they go out of business soon, but I fear they are well-financed
by powerful people.
On its own terms, the Guardian is bankrupt (financially, I mean...). It is
being propped up by an investment company.
Incubus
2020-03-24 13:03:55 UTC
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Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
What did we do to scare them exactly? Wait until they left work and
jumped out of the bushes wearing a gimp mask?
"More than 10,000 EU nationals have left the NHS since the Brexit
referendum, including almost 5,000 nurses. These new figures will add
fuel to concerns about a wider staffing crisis."
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/24/nhs-winter-crisis-
thousands-eu-staff-quit
We made foreign workers (not just in health) leave by creating a climate
of fear and uncertainty about their future prospects to remain in this
country.
I know. It's what I voted for. LOL.
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Now, at a time of epidemic, we see how truly short sighted that
was although I don't expect Brexiteers to admit it, as they've failed to
admit every other shortcoming of Brexit.
Without those foreign nationals, perhaps the spread would not have been as
severe. It's a shame Remainers fail to see every shortcoming of the EU.
Post by Pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home? Workers
such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care
home workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, etc.
Why did we encourage them to come here in the first place causing high
unemployment?
We need foreign labour right now.
To sit at home watching Netflix?
Post by Pamela
Will native Brits go into farms and
fields to pick crops? We've lost foreign hospital cleaners, care
assistants, delivery drivers, etc which we need right this minute -- and I
don't see Brits surging forward to fill the gap. What an own goal.
Unemployment has dropped. Obviously someone has been filling the gap if we
have apparently scared away all those foreign workers.
Post by Pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as
they saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.
If those countries are so great to begin with, why did they leave? Most
of the foreign NHS staff I meet are from shithole countries outside the
EU. They're not going back any time soon.
Stop worrying about how bad it is in other countries and worry about how
bad it has become here at a time of need.
Nothing to do with "Brexit".
Post by Pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in
worse place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
The NHS has more cash right now than it has ever had.
Survey after survey shows patient satisfaction with the NHS is at an all
time low. The number of British hospital beds have been halved over the
last 30 years and is now the lowest in Europe. We need acute beds right
now and it's so bad we're converting exhibition centres into field
hospitals.
Indeed, those "acute" beds are a problem but you can't blame that on "Brexit".
Post by Pamela
Our hospital staff are worn out already because of the required workload
to make up for departed staff.
I thought British workers are lazy shirkers. You can't have it both ways.
Dan S. MacAbre
2020-03-24 13:42:53 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
What did we do to scare them exactly? Wait until they left work and
jumped out of the bushes wearing a gimp mask?
"More than 10,000 EU nationals have left the NHS since the Brexit
referendum, including almost 5,000 nurses. These new figures will add
fuel to concerns about a wider staffing crisis."
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/24/nhs-winter-crisis-
thousands-eu-staff-quit
We made foreign workers (not just in health) leave by creating a climate
of fear and uncertainty about their future prospects to remain in this
country.
I know. It's what I voted for. LOL.
Post by Pamela
Now, at a time of epidemic, we see how truly short sighted that
was although I don't expect Brexiteers to admit it, as they've failed to
admit every other shortcoming of Brexit.
Without those foreign nationals, perhaps the spread would not have been as
severe. It's a shame Remainers fail to see every shortcoming of the EU.
Post by Pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home? Workers
such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care
home workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, etc.
Why did we encourage them to come here in the first place causing high
unemployment?
We need foreign labour right now.
To sit at home watching Netflix?
Post by Pamela
Will native Brits go into farms and
fields to pick crops? We've lost foreign hospital cleaners, care
assistants, delivery drivers, etc which we need right this minute -- and I
don't see Brits surging forward to fill the gap. What an own goal.
Unemployment has dropped. Obviously someone has been filling the gap if we
have apparently scared away all those foreign workers.
Post by Pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as
they saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.
If those countries are so great to begin with, why did they leave? Most
of the foreign NHS staff I meet are from shithole countries outside the
EU. They're not going back any time soon.
Stop worrying about how bad it is in other countries and worry about how
bad it has become here at a time of need.
Nothing to do with "Brexit".
Post by Pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in
worse place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
The NHS has more cash right now than it has ever had.
Survey after survey shows patient satisfaction with the NHS is at an all
time low. The number of British hospital beds have been halved over the
last 30 years and is now the lowest in Europe. We need acute beds right
now and it's so bad we're converting exhibition centres into field
hospitals.
Indeed, those "acute" beds are a problem but you can't blame that on "Brexit".
Post by Pamela
Our hospital staff are worn out already because of the required workload
to make up for departed staff.
I thought British workers are lazy shirkers. You can't have it both ways.
Sadly, it seems there is now a whole raft of jobs which are considered
infra dig for our own homegrown youth. They think they are
hard-working, while still holding out for that dream job.
abelard
2020-03-24 13:46:49 UTC
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Sadly, it seems there is now a whole raft of jobs which are considered
infra dig for our own homegrown youth. They think they are
hard-working, while still holding out for that dream job.
every few minutes some dim politician is going on about
'how hard' they are working '24/7'
they also work 'tirelessly', which must be an advantage
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Dan S. MacAbre
2020-03-24 14:05:47 UTC
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Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Sadly, it seems there is now a whole raft of jobs which are considered
infra dig for our own homegrown youth. They think they are
hard-working, while still holding out for that dream job.
every few minutes some dim politician is going on about
'how hard' they are working '24/7'
they also work 'tirelessly', which must be an advantage
We don't watch TV (not having a licence), so we tend to miss out on the
daily minutiae :-) Just having a general idea of what's going on is
sufficient for us.
abelard
2020-03-24 14:12:10 UTC
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Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Sadly, it seems there is now a whole raft of jobs which are considered
infra dig for our own homegrown youth. They think they are
hard-working, while still holding out for that dream job.
every few minutes some dim politician is going on about
'how hard' they are working '24/7'
they also work 'tirelessly', which must be an advantage
We don't watch TV (not having a licence), so we tend to miss out on the
daily minutiae :-) Just having a general idea of what's going on is
sufficient for us.
it is my duty to provide you with that 'general idea'!
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Dan S. MacAbre
2020-03-24 15:00:18 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Sadly, it seems there is now a whole raft of jobs which are considered
infra dig for our own homegrown youth. They think they are
hard-working, while still holding out for that dream job.
every few minutes some dim politician is going on about
'how hard' they are working '24/7'
they also work 'tirelessly', which must be an advantage
We don't watch TV (not having a licence), so we tend to miss out on the
daily minutiae :-) Just having a general idea of what's going on is
sufficient for us.
it is my duty to provide you with that 'general idea'!
Why else would I come here, other than to experience the widest possible
spectrum of opinion? :-)
abelard
2020-03-24 15:06:36 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Sadly, it seems there is now a whole raft of jobs which are considered
infra dig for our own homegrown youth. They think they are
hard-working, while still holding out for that dream job.
every few minutes some dim politician is going on about
'how hard' they are working '24/7'
they also work 'tirelessly', which must be an advantage
We don't watch TV (not having a licence), so we tend to miss out on the
daily minutiae :-) Just having a general idea of what's going on is
sufficient for us.
it is my duty to provide you with that 'general idea'!
Why else would I come here, other than to experience the widest possible
spectrum of opinion? :-)
i give up
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Keema's Nan
2020-03-24 15:36:52 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Sadly, it seems there is now a whole raft of jobs which are considered
infra dig for our own homegrown youth. They think they are
hard-working, while still holding out for that dream job.
every few minutes some dim politician is going on about
'how hard' they are working '24/7'
they also work 'tirelessly', which must be an advantage
We don't watch TV (not having a licence), so we tend to miss out on the
daily minutiae :-) Just having a general idea of what's going on is
sufficient for us.
it is my duty to provide you with that 'general idea'!
Why else would I come here, other than to experience the widest possible
spectrum of opinion? :-)
i give up
Is that a promise?
Dan S. MacAbre
2020-03-24 17:09:32 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Sadly, it seems there is now a whole raft of jobs which are considered
infra dig for our own homegrown youth. They think they are
hard-working, while still holding out for that dream job.
every few minutes some dim politician is going on about
'how hard' they are working '24/7'
they also work 'tirelessly', which must be an advantage
We don't watch TV (not having a licence), so we tend to miss out on the
daily minutiae :-) Just having a general idea of what's going on is
sufficient for us.
it is my duty to provide you with that 'general idea'!
Why else would I come here, other than to experience the widest possible
spectrum of opinion? :-)
i give up
It was a trick question. :-)
abelard
2020-03-24 17:17:06 UTC
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Post by abelard
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Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Post by abelard
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Sadly, it seems there is now a whole raft of jobs which are considered
infra dig for our own homegrown youth. They think they are
hard-working, while still holding out for that dream job.
every few minutes some dim politician is going on about
'how hard' they are working '24/7'
they also work 'tirelessly', which must be an advantage
We don't watch TV (not having a licence), so we tend to miss out on the
daily minutiae :-) Just having a general idea of what's going on is
sufficient for us.
it is my duty to provide you with that 'general idea'!
Why else would I come here, other than to experience the widest possible
spectrum of opinion? :-)
i give up
It was a trick question. :-)
typical
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Ophelia
2020-03-24 15:14:00 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Sadly, it seems there is now a whole raft of jobs which are considered
infra dig for our own homegrown youth. They think they are
hard-working, while still holding out for that dream job.
every few minutes some dim politician is going on about
'how hard' they are working '24/7'
they also work 'tirelessly', which must be an advantage
We don't watch TV (not having a licence), so we tend to miss out on the
daily minutiae :-) Just having a general idea of what's going on is
sufficient for us.

==

The daily news talks of nothing else :(
Dan S. MacAbre
2020-03-24 16:16:22 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Sadly, it seems there is now a whole raft of jobs which are considered
infra dig for our own homegrown youth.  They think they are
hard-working, while still holding out for that dream job.
every few minutes some dim politician is going on about
    'how hard' they are working '24/7'
they also work 'tirelessly', which must be an advantage
We don't watch TV (not having a licence), so we tend to miss out on the
daily minutiae :-)  Just having a general idea of what's going on is
sufficient for us.
==
     The daily news talks of nothing else :(
I can imagine.
Pamela
2020-03-25 12:56:55 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
What did we do to scare them exactly? Wait until they left work and
jumped out of the bushes wearing a gimp mask?
"More than 10,000 EU nationals have left the NHS since the Brexit
referendum, including almost 5,000 nurses. These new figures will
add fuel to concerns about a wider staffing crisis."
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/24/nhs-winter-crisis-
thousands-eu-staff-quit
We made foreign workers (not just in health) leave by creating a
climate of fear and uncertainty about their future prospects to remain
in this country.
I know. It's what I voted for. LOL.
What an own goal. Now you have egg on your face, especially when you get
coronavirus and there aren't enough doctors and nurses or various support
workers to help.
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Now, at a time of epidemic, we see how truly short sighted that
was although I don't expect Brexiteers to admit it, as they've failed
to admit every other shortcoming of Brexit.
Without those foreign nationals, perhaps the spread would not have been
as severe. It's a shame Remainers fail to see every shortcoming of the
EU.
Post by Pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home?
Workers such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket
assistants, care home workers, nursery assistants, food factory
workers, etc.
Why did we encourage them to come here in the first place causing high
unemployment?
We need foreign labour right now.
To sit at home watching Netflix?
Maybe Netflix is what you consider "work" but I explained I am referring
to farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care home
workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, and any jobs which help
us cope with coronavirus.
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Will native Brits go into farms and
fields to pick crops? We've lost foreign hospital cleaners, care
assistants, delivery drivers, etc which we need right this minute --
and I don't see Brits surging forward to fill the gap. What an own
goal.
Unemployment has dropped. Obviously someone has been filling the gap if
we have apparently scared away all those foreign workers.
UK unemployment has not dropped by as many as went home to their
countries.
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as
they saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.
If those countries are so great to begin with, why did they leave?
Most of the foreign NHS staff I meet are from shithole countries
outside the EU. They're not going back any time soon.
Stop worrying about how bad it is in other countries and worry about
how bad it has become here at a time of need.
Nothing to do with "Brexit".
That's right.
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in
worse place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
The NHS has more cash right now than it has ever had.
Survey after survey shows patient satisfaction with the NHS is at an
all time low. The number of British hospital beds have been halved
over the last 30 years and is now the lowest in Europe. We need acute
beds right now and it's so bad we're converting exhibition centres into
field hospitals.
Indeed, those "acute" beds are a problem but you can't blame that on "Brexit".
Post by Pamela
Our hospital staff are worn out already because of the required
workload to make up for departed staff.
I thought British workers are lazy shirkers. You can't have it both ways.
British idlers are non-workers. Stay awake.
Incubus
2020-03-25 15:09:10 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
What did we do to scare them exactly? Wait until they left work and
jumped out of the bushes wearing a gimp mask?
"More than 10,000 EU nationals have left the NHS since the Brexit
referendum, including almost 5,000 nurses. These new figures will
add fuel to concerns about a wider staffing crisis."
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/24/nhs-winter-crisis-
thousands-eu-staff-quit
We made foreign workers (not just in health) leave by creating a
climate of fear and uncertainty about their future prospects to remain
in this country.
I know. It's what I voted for. LOL.
What an own goal. Now you have egg on your face, especially when you get
coronavirus and there aren't enough doctors and nurses or various support
workers to help.
I'm vegan. Telling me I have egg on my face is a hate crime.
Post by Pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Now, at a time of epidemic, we see how truly short sighted that
was although I don't expect Brexiteers to admit it, as they've failed
to admit every other shortcoming of Brexit.
Without those foreign nationals, perhaps the spread would not have been
as severe. It's a shame Remainers fail to see every shortcoming of the
EU.
Post by Pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home?
Workers such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket
assistants, care home workers, nursery assistants, food factory
workers, etc.
Why did we encourage them to come here in the first place causing high
unemployment?
We need foreign labour right now.
To sit at home watching Netflix?
Maybe Netflix is what you consider "work" but I explained I am referring
to farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care home
workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, and any jobs which help
us cope with coronavirus.
That's not what I call work. Try dealing with Hibernate for a living.
Post by Pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Will native Brits go into farms and
fields to pick crops? We've lost foreign hospital cleaners, care
assistants, delivery drivers, etc which we need right this minute --
and I don't see Brits surging forward to fill the gap. What an own
goal.
Unemployment has dropped. Obviously someone has been filling the gap if
we have apparently scared away all those foreign workers.
UK unemployment has not dropped by as many as went home to their
countries.
Do you have statistics for that? They'd have to predate people being laid off
because of bat flu.
Post by Pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as
they saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.
If those countries are so great to begin with, why did they leave?
Most of the foreign NHS staff I meet are from shithole countries
outside the EU. They're not going back any time soon.
Stop worrying about how bad it is in other countries and worry about
how bad it has become here at a time of need.
Nothing to do with "Brexit".
That's right.
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Post by Incubus
Post by Pamela
Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in
worse place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
The NHS has more cash right now than it has ever had.
Survey after survey shows patient satisfaction with the NHS is at an
all time low. The number of British hospital beds have been halved
over the last 30 years and is now the lowest in Europe. We need acute
beds right now and it's so bad we're converting exhibition centres into
field hospitals.
Indeed, those "acute" beds are a problem but you can't blame that on "Brexit".
Post by Pamela
Our hospital staff are worn out already because of the required
workload to make up for departed staff.
I thought British workers are lazy shirkers. You can't have it both ways.
British idlers are non-workers. Stay awake.
I can't. I'm a lazy shirker.
The Todal
2020-03-24 14:21:19 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home? Workers
such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care
home workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, etc.
The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as they
saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.
Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in worse
place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
The problem at the moment is not a shortage of doctors and nurses. It is
the shortage of beds and ventilators (and people trained to operate the
ventilators).

We won't cure more people by drafting more doctors and nurses into the
hospitals. They will simply add to the audience that watches an elderly
person drown in his own lung secretions, gasping in panic for breath,
unable to benefit from any medication offered to him. Followed by the
next patient, and the next.
abelard
2020-03-24 14:25:35 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home? Workers
such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care
home workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, etc.
The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as they
saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.
Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in worse
place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
The problem at the moment is not a shortage of doctors and nurses. It is
the shortage of beds and ventilators (and people trained to operate the
ventilators).
We won't cure more people by drafting more doctors and nurses into the
hospitals. They will simply add to the audience that watches an elderly
person drown in his own lung secretions, gasping in panic for breath,
unable to benefit from any medication offered to him. Followed by the
next patient, and the next.
just so...
i've been dragooned into watching programmes on the nhs...
it i common to see up to 6 staff milling around a bed while
still more lurk in the background
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Pamela
2020-03-24 14:35:45 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home? Workers
such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care
home workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, etc.
The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as
they saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.
Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in
worse place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
The problem at the moment is not a shortage of doctors and nurses. It is
the shortage of beds and ventilators (and people trained to operate the
ventilators).
We won't cure more people by drafting more doctors and nurses into the
hospitals. They will simply add to the audience that watches an elderly
person drown in his own lung secretions, gasping in panic for breath,
unable to benefit from any medication offered to him. Followed by the
next patient, and the next.
There is such a shortage of doctors and nurses that the UK government
appealed for them to come out of retirement to help with the emerging
crisis.

It may have been lost in translation but I recall hearing a worrying
percentage of doctors treating patients in Bergamo Italy became infected
with coronavirus.

"Coronavirus: 4,500 retired doctors and nurses sign up to battle
COVID-19 pandemic"

"The health secretary says he is delighted thousands of nurses and
doctors have signed up to the NHS - but many more are needed."

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-4-500-retired-doctors-and-nurses-
sign-up-to-battle-covid-19-pandemic-11961685
abelard
2020-03-24 14:41:12 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home? Workers
such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care
home workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, etc.
The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as
they saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.
Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in
worse place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
The problem at the moment is not a shortage of doctors and nurses. It is
the shortage of beds and ventilators (and people trained to operate the
ventilators).
We won't cure more people by drafting more doctors and nurses into the
hospitals. They will simply add to the audience that watches an elderly
person drown in his own lung secretions, gasping in panic for breath,
unable to benefit from any medication offered to him. Followed by the
next patient, and the next.
There is such a shortage of doctors and nurses that the UK government
appealed for them to come out of retirement to help with the emerging
crisis.
It may have been lost in translation but I recall hearing a worrying
percentage of doctors treating patients in Bergamo Italy became infected
with coronavirus.
there are also cases of italian medical staff walking out for lack of
protective equipment
same with 'care' staff in spain...

uk train drivers are already threatening walk out if they don't have
a police person to protect them

this is not just about your marxist theory
Post by Pamela
"Coronavirus: 4,500 retired doctors and nurses sign up to battle
COVID-19 pandemic"
"The health secretary says he is delighted thousands of nurses and
doctors have signed up to the NHS - but many more are needed."
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-4-500-retired-doctors-and-nurses-
sign-up-to-battle-covid-19-pandemic-11961685
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James Hammerton
2020-03-24 23:33:30 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home? Workers
such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care
home workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, etc.
The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as
they saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.
Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in
worse place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
The problem at the moment is not a shortage of doctors and nurses. It is
the shortage of beds and ventilators (and people trained to operate the
ventilators).
We won't cure more people by drafting more doctors and nurses into the
hospitals. They will simply add to the audience that watches an elderly
person drown in his own lung secretions, gasping in panic for breath,
unable to benefit from any medication offered to him. Followed by the
next patient, and the next.
There is such a shortage of doctors and nurses that the UK government
appealed for them to come out of retirement to help with the emerging
crisis.
It may have been lost in translation but I recall hearing a worrying
percentage of doctors treating patients in Bergamo Italy became infected
with coronavirus.
there are also cases of italian medical staff walking out for lack of
protective equipment
same with 'care' staff in spain...
This puts me in mind of this article:
http://on.theatln.tc/6rBcxsl?fbclid=IwAR1P_WTKEmd_GYFiRG4hgmpMdwE6yuETb5322lLnKyk8OSkEK9Jf7JCESGE

TDLR - article talks of the danger of medics walking out during pandemic
(which apparently happened during an Ebola outbreak) if they feel
they're not being given adequate protection, the author also makes
comments about lack of preparation for this sort of event in the US,
including lack of protective equipment. I have heard reports of
complaints about lack of protection in the UK too.

Regards,

James
Cnut
2020-03-25 00:55:57 UTC
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Post by abelard
there are also cases of italian medical staff walking out for lack of
     protective equipment
same with 'care' staff in spain...
http://on.theatln.tc/6rBcxsl?fbclid=IwAR1P_WTKEmd_GYFiRG4hgmpMdwE6yuETb5322lLnKyk8OSkEK9Jf7JCESGE
TDLR - article talks of the danger of medics walking out during pandemic
(which apparently happened during an Ebola outbreak) if they feel
they're not being given adequate protection, the author also makes
comments about lack of preparation for this sort of event in the US,
including lack of protective equipment. I have heard reports of
complaints about lack of protection in the UK too.
Regards,
James
What was Ebola's mortality rate 50%? The mortality rate of SARS-CoV-2 < 1%.

Contemptible cowardice!
Pamela
2020-03-25 10:01:55 UTC
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Post by abelard
there are also cases of italian medical staff walking out for lack of
     protective equipment
same with 'care' staff in spain...
http://on.theatln.tc/6rBcxsl?fbclid=IwAR1P_WTKEmd_GYFiRG4hgmpMdwE6yuETb5
322lLnKyk8OSkEK9Jf7JCESGE
TDLR - article talks of the danger of medics walking out during
pandemic (which apparently happened during an Ebola outbreak) if they
feel they're not being given adequate protection, the author also makes
comments about lack of preparation for this sort of event in the US,
including lack of protective equipment. I have heard reports of
complaints about lack of protection in the UK too.
Regards,
James
What was Ebola's mortality rate 50%? The mortality rate of SARS-CoV-2 < 1%.
Contemptible cowardice!
How do the transmission rates of Ebola and Covid compare?
abelard
2020-03-25 19:36:27 UTC
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Post by James Hammerton
Post by abelard
Post by Pamela
Post by The Todal
Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home? Workers
such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care
home workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, etc.
The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as
they saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.
Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in
worse place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
The problem at the moment is not a shortage of doctors and nurses. It is
the shortage of beds and ventilators (and people trained to operate the
ventilators).
We won't cure more people by drafting more doctors and nurses into the
hospitals. They will simply add to the audience that watches an elderly
person drown in his own lung secretions, gasping in panic for breath,
unable to benefit from any medication offered to him. Followed by the
next patient, and the next.
There is such a shortage of doctors and nurses that the UK government
appealed for them to come out of retirement to help with the emerging
crisis.
It may have been lost in translation but I recall hearing a worrying
percentage of doctors treating patients in Bergamo Italy became infected
with coronavirus.
there are also cases of italian medical staff walking out for lack of
protective equipment
same with 'care' staff in spain...
http://on.theatln.tc/6rBcxsl?fbclid=IwAR1P_WTKEmd_GYFiRG4hgmpMdwE6yuETb5322lLnKyk8OSkEK9Jf7JCESGE
excellent article...thanx for posting it...

it i very foolish to work on numbers while forgetting people
Post by James Hammerton
TDLR - article talks of the danger of medics walking out during pandemic
(which apparently happened during an Ebola outbreak) if they feel
they're not being given adequate protection, the author also makes
comments about lack of preparation for this sort of event in the US,
including lack of protective equipment. I have heard reports of
complaints about lack of protection in the UK too.
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www.abelard.org
Incubus
2020-03-24 15:30:31 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home? Workers
such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care
home workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, etc.
The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as they
saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.
Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in worse
place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
The problem at the moment is not a shortage of doctors and nurses. It is
the shortage of beds and ventilators (and people trained to operate the
ventilators).
We won't cure more people by drafting more doctors and nurses into the
hospitals. They will simply add to the audience that watches an elderly
person drown in his own lung secretions, gasping in panic for breath,
unable to benefit from any medication offered to him.
Did you have your wank sock handy as you typed that?
The Todal
2020-03-24 16:53:49 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home? Workers
such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care
home workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, etc.
The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as they
saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.
Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in worse
place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
The problem at the moment is not a shortage of doctors and nurses. It is
the shortage of beds and ventilators (and people trained to operate the
ventilators).
We won't cure more people by drafting more doctors and nurses into the
hospitals. They will simply add to the audience that watches an elderly
person drown in his own lung secretions, gasping in panic for breath,
unable to benefit from any medication offered to him.
Did you have your wank sock handy as you typed that?
What a lot you reveal about your lifestyle.
Incubus
2020-03-24 17:28:47 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by The Todal
Post by Pamela
Over the past year why has the UK scared doctors and nurses from EU
countries into going back home? We need them now.
Why did we encourage foreign low-paid workers to go back home? Workers
such as farm labourers, delivery drivers, supermarket assistants, care
home workers, nursery assistants, food factory workers, etc.
The answer is Brexit. Those EU countries must be thanking Britain as they
saw doctors coming back and now ready to help with coronavirus.
Combined with under investment in the NHS, the UK has never been in worse
place to deal with a coronavirus crisis.
The problem at the moment is not a shortage of doctors and nurses. It is
the shortage of beds and ventilators (and people trained to operate the
ventilators).
We won't cure more people by drafting more doctors and nurses into the
hospitals. They will simply add to the audience that watches an elderly
person drown in his own lung secretions, gasping in panic for breath,
unable to benefit from any medication offered to him.
Did you have your wank sock handy as you typed that?
What a lot you reveal about your lifestyle.
What can I say? I'm a typical Tory voter.
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