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"338,000 Missing Deaths: the True Toll of the Coronavirus Outbreak"
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Pamela
2020-10-17 13:29:37 UTC
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Governements are still trying to fool people about the full cost of Covid.


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338,000 Missing Deaths: Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus
Outbreak

At least 338,000 more people have died during the coronavirus pandemic
than the official Covid-19 death counts report, a review of mortality
data in 32 countries shows — providing a clearer, if still incomplete,
picture of the toll of the crisis.

Over the last several months, far more people have died in most of
these countries than in previous years, The New York Times found.

The totals include deaths from Covid-19 as well as those from other
causes, likely including people who could not be treated as hospitals
became overwhelmed.

These numbers undermine the notion that many people who have died from
the virus may soon have died anyway.

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Full article here: https://tinyurl.com/undercounted-deaths

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-de
aths.html
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
2020-10-17 13:38:52 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Governements are still trying to fool people about the full cost of Covid.
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338,000 Missing Deaths: Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus
Outbreak
At least 338,000 more people have died during the coronavirus pandemic
than the official Covid-19 death counts report, a review of mortality
data in 32 countries shows — providing a clearer, if still incomplete,
picture of the toll of the crisis.
Over the last several months, far more people have died in most of
these countries than in previous years, The New York Times found.
The totals include deaths from Covid-19 as well as those from other
causes, likely including people who could not be treated as hospitals
became overwhelmed.
These numbers undermine the notion that many people who have died from
the virus may soon have died anyway.
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Full article here: https://tinyurl.com/undercounted-deaths
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-de
aths.html
How can anyone possibly know the true number of Covid deaths in a
shithole like India where people routinely drop like flies?
Joe
2020-10-17 17:55:59 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Governements are still trying to fool people about the full cost of Covid.
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338,000 Missing Deaths: Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus
Outbreak
At least 338,000 more people have died during the coronavirus
pandemic than the official Covid-19 death counts report, a review of
mortality data in 32 countries shows _ providing a clearer, if still
incomplete, picture of the toll of the crisis.
Over the last several months, far more people have died in most of
these countries than in previous years, The New York Times found.
The totals include deaths from Covid-19 as well as those from
other causes, likely including people who could not be treated as
hospitals became overwhelmed.
These numbers undermine the notion that many people who have died
from the virus may soon have died anyway.
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Full article here: https://tinyurl.com/undercounted-deaths
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-de
aths.html
And as always: are these deaths *from* Covid or *with* Covid?

And what are the numbers of deaths of people from other causes who were
abandoned by the NHS and other health services?

It will be years before we see this matter clearly, if ever.
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Joe
Pamela
2020-10-17 18:38:22 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Governements are still trying to fool people about the full cost of Covid.
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338,000 Missing Deaths: Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus
Outbreak
At least 338,000 more people have died during the coronavirus
pandemic than the official Covid-19 death counts report, a review of
mortality data in 32 countries shows _ providing a clearer, if still
incomplete, picture of the toll of the crisis.
Over the last several months, far more people have died in most of
these countries than in previous years, The New York Times found.
The totals include deaths from Covid-19 as well as those from
other causes, likely including people who could not be treated as
hospitals became overwhelmed.
These numbers undermine the notion that many people who have died
from the virus may soon have died anyway.
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Full article here: https://tinyurl.com/undercounted-deaths
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-
missing-deaths.html
And as always: are these deaths *from* Covid or *with* Covid?
That was dealt with long ago by considering excess deaths. Only Trump's
followers, Fox TV viewers and Rush Limbaugh's listeners believe Covid
caused only a few deaths.
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And what are the numbers of deaths of people from other causes who were
abandoned by the NHS and other health services?
Those are a form of secondary Covid death. Without the pandemic those
people would not be dead. However it take time for neglected chronic
conditions to result in death and most of that has not yet occurred.
Keema's Nan
2020-10-17 18:08:30 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Governements are still trying to fool people about the full cost of Covid.
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338,000 Missing Deaths: Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus
Outbreak
At least 338,000 more people have died during the coronavirus pandemic
than the official Covid-19 death counts report, a review of mortality
data in 32 countries shows — providing a clearer, if still incomplete,
picture of the toll of the crisis.
Over the last several months, far more people have died in most of
these countries than in previous years, The New York Times found.
The totals include deaths from Covid-19 as well as those from other
causes, likely including people who could not be treated as hospitals
became overwhelmed.
These numbers undermine the notion that many people who have died from
the virus may soon have died anyway.
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Full article here: https://tinyurl.com/undercounted-deaths
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-de
aths.html
Is that right?

Why do the BBC show the number of daily Covid deaths, but add underneath that
it is actually the number of deaths within 28 days of testing positive for
the virus?

Is it not possible for people who have tested positive to have a brain
haemorrhage, heart attack, die in an accident, die from cancer, commit
suicide, etc?

Why have we never had the true numbers of people who have died directly from
the virus infection?
Pamela
2020-10-17 18:41:40 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Governements are still trying to fool people about the full cost of Covid.
--------------------------- START -------------------------------
338,000 Missing Deaths: Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus
Outbreak
At least 338,000 more people have died during the coronavirus pandemic
than the official Covid-19 death counts report, a review of mortality
data in 32 countries shows — providing a clearer, if still
incomplete, picture of the toll of the crisis.
Over the last several months, far more people have died in most of
these countries than in previous years, The New York Times found.
The totals include deaths from Covid-19 as well as those from other
causes, likely including people who could not be treated as hospitals
became overwhelmed.
These numbers undermine the notion that many people who have died from
the virus may soon have died anyway.
--------------------------- END -------------------------------
Full article here: https://tinyurl.com/undercounted-deaths
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-
missing-deaths.html
Is that right?
Why do the BBC show the number of daily Covid deaths, but add underneath
that it is actually the number of deaths within 28 days of testing
positive for the virus?
It's not so much the BBC but a government re-statement of how it counts
Covid deaths. It was politically expedient as it removed 5,000 deaths
which now still can't be accounted for.
Post by Keema's Nan
Is it not possible for people who have tested positive to have a brain
haemorrhage, heart attack, die in an accident, die from cancer, commit
suicide, etc?
Those would be more or less the same number every year. The question is
why remove "long Covid" deaths from the tally? Some people struggle with
Covid symptoms months after being free of the virus.
Post by Keema's Nan
Why have we never had the true numbers of people who have died directly
from the virus infection?
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