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The inconvenient truth the political hard right, specially their AGW denialist accolades, try to deny.
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Ördög
2020-01-10 22:46:58 UTC
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So much for manufactured fake news offensive rolled out by the usual
suspects from the far-right and attached fossil fuel lobby groups...

They can't stomach the reality:

*The truth about Australia's fires — arsonists aren't responsible for
many this season*
/By Kevin Nguyen, Tim Brunero, Sarah Thomas, Daniel Keane and Nicole
Mills/
Source:<http://tinyurl.com/ul5fan6>

"The world has been shocked by the scenes of devastation as the
unprecedented destruction of Australia's horror bushfire season rages on.
And, one big question has appeared in the headlines of late, here and
internationally: how much is arson to blame?

While firebugs remain a legitimate and serious threat, they're
responsible for about 1 per cent of the more than 5.2 million hectares
that have been burned in NSW this season.
It's a similar story in other states."

NSW Rural Fire Service (RFS) Inspector Ben Shepherd said earlier this
week lightning was predominantly responsible for the bushfire crisis.
"I can confidently say the majority of the larger fires that we have been
dealing with have been a result of fires coming out of remote areas as a
result of dry lightning storms," he said.

In Victoria, where about 1.2 million hectares has burned, only 385
hectares — or 0.03 per cent — have been attributed to suspicious
circumstances.
This state-by-state breakdown reveals the true impact of arson this
bushfire season.

*New South Wales*
The Busbys Flat fire, which burned through some 51,000 hectares of land
and destroyed 44 homes in the village of Rappville in northern NSW may
have been deliberately lit.

Police Minister David Elliott said whoever started that blaze in October
was responsible for a "bastard act".
A fire at Turramurra which briefly threatened homes on Sydney's north
shore is also suspected of being deliberately lit, as are a series of
small fires in the Royal National Park.

NSW has been the epicentre of Australia's bushfire crisis, but the facts
show arson has little to do with it.
This week, a NSW Police media release revealed 24 people had been charged
over deliberately-lit bushfires this season.

However, the majority of suspected arson relates to small grass fires and
rubbish bins set alight, which have inflicted negligible damage and burnt
a tiny area compared with fires sparked by lightning.
The Gospers Mountain "mega-blaze" and the Green Wattle Creek fire, which
are both near Sydney, were ignited by lightning.
All the major blazes in the Snowy Mountains and South Coast which have
taken hold since New Year's Eve were also started by lightning.

*Victoria*
Despite massive fires causing chaos in Victoria this season, authorities
are treating only one blaze as suspicious.
The Euroa blaze on January 4 closed a section of the Hume Highway, burnt
about 385 hectares, and destroyed no properties.
More than 1.3 million hectares has been burnt in Victoria so far this
season.
The Country Fire Association (CFA) said the majority of fires were not
arson-related.

"Most of the fires have been caused by lightning," said Brett Mitchell,
the CFA incident controller in Bairnsdale, in East Gippsland.

"Our intelligence suggests there are no deliberate lightings that we are
aware of."

Victoria Police had no arson figures available for this bushfire season,
but said in the 12 months to September 2019, a dozen people had been
arrested for causing bushfires.

*South Australia*
None of SA's deadliest or most destructive fires are being treated as
suspicious.
Two fires which have blackened more than a third of Kangaroo Island and
killed two people, are believed to have been sparked by lightning
strikes, according to the state's Country Fire Service (CFS).

The Cudlee Creek blaze in the Adelaide Hills, which started in
catastrophic conditions and killed one person and destroyed more than 80
homes, was caused by a tree falling on power lines.
The CFS said a fire on Yorke Peninsula which destroyed homes and burnt
5,000 hectares in November was sparked by power lines falling on grass
during catastrophic fire conditions and extreme winds.
A fire at Keilira in SA's south-east, which destroyed homes and killed
thousands of livestock, has been officially attributed to lightning
strikes, after an investigation by the CFS and South Australian Police.

Police said 10 people in SA had been reported or arrested for
intentionally or recklessly causing a bushfire since September.

*Queensland*
The Sunshine Coast town of Peregian has been threatened by several blazes
this season.
In September, two teenagers were charged with lighting a blaze there,
while authorities are investigating "suspicious" fires that also took
hold there in October and December.
Queensland Police said there had been 1,068 reported bushfires between
September and January 8, of which 114 of which had been deliberately lit.

*Tasmania, ACT*
The Apple Isle is the only state where arson has allegedly been the
overwhelming cause of fires.
Authorities attributed almost two-thirds of the blazes burning on
Tasmania's east coast and in the south since late December to arson.

"Approximately 21,000 of the 35,000 hectares burnt is a result of
deliberately lit fires," a Tasmanian Fire Service spokesperson said.

Meanwhile, in the ACT, one person has been charged for deliberately
lighting a fire, according to the Australian Federal Police (AFP).
The 20-year-old Mawson man allegedly lit several small grass fires,
although no property was damaged, and was charged with breaching a total
fire ban.
Police are treating as suspicious another grass fire which started on
Friday in Canberra's south."
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Ördög, without any apologies !!!
Petzl
2020-01-10 23:10:24 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 22:46:58 +0000 (UTC), Ördög
Post by Ördög
So much for manufactured fake news offensive rolled out by the usual
suspects from the far-right and attached fossil fuel lobby groups...
*The truth about Australia's fires — arsonists aren't responsible for
many this season*
/By Kevin Nguyen, Tim Brunero, Sarah Thomas, Daniel Keane and Nicole
Mills/
Source:<http://tinyurl.com/ul5fan6>
The fires are around the same NSW had in 1974, 1939 this is just a
cyclical event don't know why there is a sudden increase in arsonists
pyro-terrorism is seldom discussed.
Perhaps that’s due to fear of giving malicious people ideas.

But I can’t be the only one to wonder: How much of a threat is it? Is
there a real risk?
And if so, how is it being dealt with?

I suspect a/our "Greens" party operation Watermelon party "Green
outside RED inside" they were formed by a communist Lee Rhiannon,
trained in Russia by Lenin regime, educated - as a guest - by a
Communist regime long infamous for its brutality and oppression:

ANTIFA attacks in Australia have professionally made signs are often
signed by Lee Rhiannon "Greens" leader.
--
Petzl
Stalin has decreed that murder is a capitalist disease; there is no
murder in a communist paradise. The soviet governments job was to
shoot and kill anyone who had proof of something different

"Our" government and media decree that this "secular multiculturalism
paradise" does not have immigrant crime and remove anyone stating
different!.

Pauline Hanson was falsely jailed for exactly this.

Australians are multi-racial not multicultural

It's not about keeping Australia white, it's about keeping Australia
right — having the right people, the right culture and the right
feeling. What we've got here now is totally away from where we want to
be
Ördög
2020-01-11 00:59:53 UTC
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Petz
Post by Petzl
Ördög
Post by Ördög
So much for manufactured fake news offensive rolled out by the usual
suspects from the far-right and attached fossil fuel lobby groups...
*The truth about Australia's fires — arsonists aren't responsible for
many this season*
/By Kevin Nguyen, Tim Brunero, Sarah Thomas, Daniel Keane and Nicole
Mills/
Source:<http://tinyurl.com/ul5fan6>
The fires are around the same NSW had in 1974,
Sop lying bastard! I was here in 1974 which was in fact quite a wet year!
The bush fire activity was nothing out of normal. Stop fabricating past
reality.
Post by Petzl
there is a sudden increase in arsonists
pyro-terrorism is seldom discussed.
You bullshit is not discussed because it is bullshit.
This crap is just manufactured hysteria to draw attention away from AGW
climate change and its horrific effects, the unwillingness of the far-
right to accept the science, the inability of governments actively
blackmailed by the fossil fuel/mining/power generation industrial
magnates into doing nothing about the issues.
Pyro maniac criminals have always existed because they are suffering from
a mental condition (just like Petz's paranoid psychosis). And there are
always careless people around who would throw way burning cigarettes,
light cooking fires, and set up flares in conditions when they should not.

Now what we are dealing here with is the fucking hard right's furious
attempts at bashing the Greens, blaming the Left, conjuring up imaginary
(Islamic and Communist) terrorists just to hide the fact of their
responsibility for the unchecked ruination of our environment planet
wide. And for what possible gain beyond satisfying their never ending
greed, rampant megalomania and hunger for unlimited power over others.
Post by Petzl
the usual blah blah about
"Greens"
"Green outside RED inside"
communist Lee Rhiannon,
trained in Russia by Lenin regime
/...which must have been many tears before she was actually born...LOL/
Post by Petzl
Communist regime
brutality and oppression
ANTIFA
professionally made signs
signed by Lee Rhiannon "Greens" leader.
/ and WTF has all that crap above to do with the current bushfires?/

...and endless similar insanity dumped into the public domain for hate
propaganda purposes.
Is that going to help the thousands of people whose life is now upended,
their businesses and livelihood destroyed not just by the bushfires but
by the the good for nothing, do nothing third term LNP creeps in
parliament.
--
Ördög (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)
Don't argue with idiots like Petz.
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>
Fran
2020-01-11 02:42:26 UTC
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Petz
Post by Petzl
Ördög
Post by Ördög
So much for manufactured fake news offensive rolled out by the usual
suspects from the far-right and attached fossil fuel lobby groups...
*The truth about Australia's fires — arsonists aren't responsible for
many this season*
/By Kevin Nguyen, Tim Brunero, Sarah Thomas, Daniel Keane and Nicole
Mills/
Source:<http://tinyurl.com/ul5fan6>
The fires are around the same NSW had in 1974,
Sop lying bastard! I was here in 1974 which was in fact quite a wet year!
The bush fire activity was nothing out of normal. Stop fabricating past
reality.
The 74/5 summer fires occurred in far western NSW where there were (and
still is) limited residents, bugger all infrastructure and bugger all
housing. THESE summer 2019/20 fires have occurred in the densely
populated, densely stocked, east of NSW and they have done massive
damage. Not that the pretzel would know given where he lives and how he
likes to tell us he lives in airconditioned comfort. He needs to get out
more.
Post by Ördög
Post by Petzl
there is a sudden increase in arsonists
pyro-terrorism is seldom discussed.
You bullshit is not discussed because it is bullshit.
This crap is just manufactured hysteria to draw attention away from AGW
climate change and its horrific effects, the unwillingness of the far-
right to accept the science, the inability of governments actively
blackmailed by the fossil fuel/mining/power generation industrial
magnates into doing nothing about the issues.
Pyro maniac criminals have always existed because they are suffering from
a mental condition (just like Petz's paranoid psychosis). And there are
always careless people around who would throw way burning cigarettes,
light cooking fires, and set up flares in conditions when they should not.
Now what we are dealing here with is the fucking hard right's furious
attempts at bashing the Greens, blaming the Left, conjuring up imaginary
(Islamic and Communist) terrorists just to hide the fact of their
responsibility for the unchecked ruination of our environment planet
wide. And for what possible gain beyond satisfying their never ending
greed, rampant megalomania and hunger for unlimited power over others.
Post by Petzl
the usual blah blah about
"Greens"
"Green outside RED inside"
communist Lee Rhiannon,
trained in Russia by Lenin regime
/...which must have been many tears before she was actually born...LOL/
Post by Petzl
Communist regime
brutality and oppression
ANTIFA
professionally made signs
signed by Lee Rhiannon "Greens" leader.
/ and WTF has all that crap above to do with the current bushfires?/
...and endless similar insanity dumped into the public domain for hate
propaganda purposes.
Is that going to help the thousands of people whose life is now upended,
their businesses and livelihood destroyed not just by the bushfires but
by the the good for nothing, do nothing third term LNP creeps in
parliament.
Petzl
2020-01-11 05:58:47 UTC
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 00:59:53 +0000 (UTC), Ördög
Post by Ördög
Post by Petzl
The fires are around the same NSW had in 1974,
Sop lying bastard! I was here in 1974 which was in fact quite a wet year!
The bush fire activity was nothing out of normal. Stop fabricating past
reality.
https://knowledge.aidr.org.au/resources/bushfire-new-south-wales-1974/
During the summer between 1974 and 1975, Australia experienced its
worst bushfire season in 30 years. Approximately 15 per cent of
Australia's physical land mass sustained extensive fire damage. This
equates to roughly around 117 million ha.
New South Wales was badly affected with widespread damage to
infrastructure, including communications, roads, railways and property
fencing. There was also significant damage to the agriculture and
horticulture industries, as famers lost crops and livestock to the
fires. The areas affected included Cobar Shire, Balranald, Glendale
and regions around the Lower Hunter. Three people lost their lives in
New South Wales. The overall damage cost was estimated at
approximately $5 million.
Post by Ördög
Post by Petzl
there is a sudden increase in arsonists
pyro-terrorism is seldom discussed.
You bullshit is not discussed because it is bullshit.
This crap is just manufactured hysteria to draw attention away from AGW
climate change and its horrific effects, the unwillingness of the far-
right to accept the science, the inability of governments actively
https://theconversation.com/humans-light-85-of-bushfires-and-we-do-virtually-nothing-to-stop-it-126941
https://is.gd/SQOHT2
Humans light 85% of bushfires, and we do virtually nothing to stop it
--
Petzl
A perfect picture of all that's wrong with lefties -
I'm miserable & someone else is to blame.

If the Left so strongly supports 'diversity'
why do they spend so much time trying to close down
opinions different to their own?

'Diversity' is the new Orwellian doublespeak,
a Leftist propaganda tool to disguise the fact
they are trying to create a more uniform,
homogenous society, in their own image.

Australia will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we were destroyed from the rot within
Fran
2020-01-11 00:32:00 UTC
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Post by Ördög
So much for manufactured fake news offensive rolled out by the usual
suspects from the far-right and attached fossil fuel lobby groups...
*The truth about Australia's fires — arsonists aren't responsible for
many this season*
/By Kevin Nguyen, Tim Brunero, Sarah Thomas, Daniel Keane and Nicole
Mills/
Source:<http://tinyurl.com/ul5fan6>
:-)) Yep read that article this am before coming to this ng.
Post by Ördög
"The world has been shocked by the scenes of devastation as the
unprecedented destruction of Australia's horror bushfire season rages on.
And, one big question has appeared in the headlines of late, here and
internationally: how much is arson to blame?
While firebugs remain a legitimate and serious threat, they're
responsible for about 1 per cent of the more than 5.2 million hectares
that have been burned in NSW this season.
It's a similar story in other states."
NSW Rural Fire Service (RFS) Inspector Ben Shepherd said earlier this
week lightning was predominantly responsible for the bushfire crisis.
"I can confidently say the majority of the larger fires that we have been
dealing with have been a result of fires coming out of remote areas as a
result of dry lightning storms," he said.
In Victoria, where about 1.2 million hectares has burned, only 385
hectares — or 0.03 per cent — have been attributed to suspicious
circumstances.
This state-by-state breakdown reveals the true impact of arson this
bushfire season.
*New South Wales*
The Busbys Flat fire, which burned through some 51,000 hectares of land
and destroyed 44 homes in the village of Rappville in northern NSW may
have been deliberately lit.
Police Minister David Elliott said whoever started that blaze in October
was responsible for a "bastard act".
A fire at Turramurra which briefly threatened homes on Sydney's north
shore is also suspected of being deliberately lit, as are a series of
small fires in the Royal National Park.
NSW has been the epicentre of Australia's bushfire crisis, but the facts
show arson has little to do with it.
This week, a NSW Police media release revealed 24 people had been charged
over deliberately-lit bushfires this season.
However, the majority of suspected arson relates to small grass fires and
rubbish bins set alight, which have inflicted negligible damage and burnt
a tiny area compared with fires sparked by lightning.
The Gospers Mountain "mega-blaze" and the Green Wattle Creek fire, which
are both near Sydney, were ignited by lightning.
All the major blazes in the Snowy Mountains and South Coast which have
taken hold since New Year's Eve were also started by lightning.
*Victoria*
Despite massive fires causing chaos in Victoria this season, authorities
are treating only one blaze as suspicious.
The Euroa blaze on January 4 closed a section of the Hume Highway, burnt
about 385 hectares, and destroyed no properties.
More than 1.3 million hectares has been burnt in Victoria so far this
season.
The Country Fire Association (CFA) said the majority of fires were not
arson-related.
"Most of the fires have been caused by lightning," said Brett Mitchell,
the CFA incident controller in Bairnsdale, in East Gippsland.
"Our intelligence suggests there are no deliberate lightings that we are
aware of."
Victoria Police had no arson figures available for this bushfire season,
but said in the 12 months to September 2019, a dozen people had been
arrested for causing bushfires.
*South Australia*
None of SA's deadliest or most destructive fires are being treated as
suspicious.
Two fires which have blackened more than a third of Kangaroo Island and
killed two people, are believed to have been sparked by lightning
strikes, according to the state's Country Fire Service (CFS).
The Cudlee Creek blaze in the Adelaide Hills, which started in
catastrophic conditions and killed one person and destroyed more than 80
homes, was caused by a tree falling on power lines.
The CFS said a fire on Yorke Peninsula which destroyed homes and burnt
5,000 hectares in November was sparked by power lines falling on grass
during catastrophic fire conditions and extreme winds.
A fire at Keilira in SA's south-east, which destroyed homes and killed
thousands of livestock, has been officially attributed to lightning
strikes, after an investigation by the CFS and South Australian Police.
Police said 10 people in SA had been reported or arrested for
intentionally or recklessly causing a bushfire since September.
*Queensland*
The Sunshine Coast town of Peregian has been threatened by several blazes
this season.
In September, two teenagers were charged with lighting a blaze there,
while authorities are investigating "suspicious" fires that also took
hold there in October and December.
Queensland Police said there had been 1,068 reported bushfires between
September and January 8, of which 114 of which had been deliberately lit.
*Tasmania, ACT*
The Apple Isle is the only state where arson has allegedly been the
overwhelming cause of fires.
Authorities attributed almost two-thirds of the blazes burning on
Tasmania's east coast and in the south since late December to arson.
"Approximately 21,000 of the 35,000 hectares burnt is a result of
deliberately lit fires," a Tasmanian Fire Service spokesperson said.
Meanwhile, in the ACT, one person has been charged for deliberately
lighting a fire, according to the Australian Federal Police (AFP).
The 20-year-old Mawson man allegedly lit several small grass fires,
although no property was damaged, and was charged with breaching a total
fire ban.
Police are treating as suspicious another grass fire which started on
Friday in Canberra's south."
Petzl
2020-01-11 06:01:27 UTC
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Post by Fran
Post by Ördög
So much for manufactured fake news offensive rolled out by the usual
suspects from the far-right and attached fossil fuel lobby groups...
*The truth about Australia's fires — arsonists aren't responsible for
many this season*
/By Kevin Nguyen, Tim Brunero, Sarah Thomas, Daniel Keane and Nicole
Mills/
Source:<http://tinyurl.com/ul5fan6>
:-)) Yep read that article this am before coming to this ng.
Leftie source denying the facts and truth
ABC = All Bull Crap
--
Petzl
A perfect picture of all that's wrong with lefties -
I'm miserable & someone else is to blame.

If the Left so strongly supports 'diversity'
why do they spend so much time trying to close down
opinions different to their own?

'Diversity' is the new Orwellian doublespeak,
a Leftist propaganda tool to disguise the fact
they are trying to create a more uniform,
homogenous society, in their own image.

Australia will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we were destroyed from the rot within
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