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Oleg Smirnov
2018-04-07 06:24:27 UTC
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yawn
True Blue
2018-04-07 09:59:54 UTC
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On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 7:25:00 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> yawn

Russia - the land of cunts. The people there are so inherently wretched, they are literally self-identifying by means of their very names.

http://forebears.co.uk/surnames/vagina


Russia 6,067 1: 24,076 3,253
Uzbekistan 454 1: 67,165 7,858
Ukraine 437 1: 98,000 13,031
Kazakhstan 210 1: 82,310 12,731
Belarus 80 1: 118,365 17,476
Kyrgyzstan 37 1: 157,405 17,080
Moldova 21 1: 169,410 20,844
Azerbaijan 9 1: 1,053,011 18,072
United States 9 1: 35,585,575 854,216
Georgia 5 1: 898,100 26,825
johnny-knowall
2018-04-07 10:36:36 UTC
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On 7 Apr 2018, True Blue wrote
(in article<fed74fc8-3fbf-4662-9095-***@googlegroups.com>):

> On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 7:25:00 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> > yawn
>
> Russia - the land of cunts.

A land of cunts. Sounds good to me.

Far better than a land of dicks - where you live.

> The people there are so inherently wretched, they
> are literally self-identifying by means of their very names.
>
> http://forebears.co.uk/surnames/vagina
>
> Russia 6,067 1: 24,076 3,253
> Uzbekistan 454 1: 67,165 7,858
> Ukraine 437 1: 98,000 13,031
> Kazakhstan 210 1: 82,310 12,731
> Belarus 80 1: 118,365 17,476
> Kyrgyzstan 37 1: 157,405 17,080
> Moldova 21 1: 169,410 20,844
> Azerbaijan 9 1: 1,053,011 18,072
> United States 9 1: 35,585,575 854,216
> Georgia 5 1: 898,100 26,825
True Blue
2018-04-07 11:11:04 UTC
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On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 11:36:37 AM UTC+1, johnny-knowall wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2018, True Blue wrote
> (in article<fed74fc8-3fbf-4662-9095-***@googlegroups.com>):
>
> > On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 7:25:00 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> > > yawn
> >
> > Russia - the land of cunts.
>
> A land of cunts. Sounds good to me.
>
> Far better than a land of dicks - where you live.

The rapier wit of Sorric. Always something to behold.
johnny-knowall
2018-04-07 14:32:13 UTC
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On 7 Apr 2018, True Blue wrote
(in article<5d51177f-41b1-4b48-8013-***@googlegroups.com>):

> On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 11:36:37 AM UTC+1, johnny-knowall wrote:
> > On 7 Apr 2018, True Blue wrote
> > (in article<fed74fc8-3fbf-4662-9095-***@googlegroups.com>):
> >
> > > On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 7:25:00 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> > > > yawn
> > >
> > > Russia - the land of cunts.
> >
> > A land of cunts. Sounds good to me.
> >
> > Far better than a land of dicks - where you live.
>
> The rapier wit of Sorric. Always something to behold.

Feathers ruffled.

The Sorric references come out again.
saracene
2018-04-08 13:33:22 UTC
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On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 11:36:37 AM UTC+1, johnny-knowall wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2018, True Blue wrote
> (in article<fed74fc8-3fbf-4662-9095-***@googlegroups.com>):
>
> > On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 7:25:00 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> > > yawn
> >
> > Russia - the land of cunts.
>
> A land of cunts. Sounds good to me.
>
> Far better than a land of dicks - where you live.
>
> > The people there are so inherently wretched, they
> > are literally self-identifying by means of their very names.
> >
> > http://forebears.co.uk/surnames/vagina
> >
http://www.theweek.co.uk/83347/russia-makes-it-illegal-to-share-putin-gay-clown-image
Oleg Smirnov
2018-04-08 01:11:22 UTC
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Now the island stinkers have refused to give Skripal's cousine visa under
pretext that Yulia is not willing to see any relatives from Russia. The
pretext looks obviously bogus. In the phone call Yulia said clearly to her
cousine that the latter should expect certain denial of visa, which hints
that the real reason is not her unwillingness but rather the unwillingness
of the island government. It might be that she is currently subjected to a
severe psychological pressure or even some V special V medical treatment.

Anyway, it's a good lesson to all Russian (")fugitives("), - each of them
may find him or herself in a sudden trouble if the IoS government decides
to use such a person as a small pawn for its usual dirty machinations.
johnny-knowall
2018-04-08 07:47:00 UTC
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On 8 Apr 2018, Oleg Smirnov wrote
(in article <pabqcj$ufi$***@os.motzarella.org>):

> Now the island stinkers have refused to give Skripal's cousine visa under
> pretext that Yulia is not willing to see any relatives from Russia. The
> pretext looks obviously bogus. In the phone call Yulia said clearly to her
> cousine that the latter should expect certain denial of visa, which hints
> that the real reason is not her unwillingness but rather the unwillingness
> of the island government. It might be that she is currently subjected to a
> severe psychological pressure or even some V special V medical treatment.

Yes, we will never know of the pressure doctors at Salisbury hospital have
been under, to administer certain psychological ‘experiments’ to a couple
of patients while they were in comas.

>
>
> Anyway, it's a good lesson to all Russian (")fugitives("), - each of them
> may find him or herself in a sudden trouble if the IoS government decides
> to use such a person as a small pawn for its usual dirty machinations.

People in the UK will do as the state approves or, if not, they will suffer
any kind of undercover consequence.

Remember what happened to Jean Charles De Menezes....
Norman Wells
2018-04-08 08:02:02 UTC
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On 08/04/2018 02:11, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

> Now the island stinkers have refused to give Skripal's cousine visa
> under pretext that Yulia is not willing to see any relatives from
> Russia. The pretext looks obviously bogus. In the phone call Yulia said
> clearly to her cousine that the latter should expect certain denial of
> visa, which hints
> that the real reason is not her unwillingness but rather the
> unwillingness of the island government.

The whole purpose of any visa system is to enable the country concerned
to refuse entry to anyone it doesn't want. It's a right any sovereign
nation has.

Russian citizens do not have automatice right of entry into the UK.
They are subject to visa requirements.

"The British Consulate refused to issue a visa for the niece of ex-GRU
Colonel Sergey Skripal, Viktoria, for several reasons. First of all, the
diplomatic department found the purpose of the visit of the Russian
woman unconvincing, BBC reports citing the copy of the denial notification.

"In particular, in her application, Viktoria Skripal wrote that she
intended to visit her relatives in the UK, to which the consulate noted
that there was “no evidence that she had previously visited Sergei and
Yulia Skripal in the UK.” In addition, it is specified in the document
that Sergey Skripal is not in a position to receive guests now. And
finally, the diplomats are not confident that Yulia Skripal wants this
visit.

"On top of everything else, Viktoria Skripal could not provide documents
on her financial solvency - the department doubted that she has
sufficient funds for travel expenses, as well as for a long stay in Britain.

"In her application, the woman specified she was unemployed; she
negatively answered the question of whether she had sponsors, savings or
other sources of income."

https://en.crimerussia.com/gromkie-dela/reasons-for-refusal-to-issue-visa-to-skripal-s-niece-revealed/
johnny-knowall
2018-04-08 08:19:35 UTC
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On 8 Apr 2018, Norman Wells wrote
(in article <***@mid.individual.net>):

> On 08/04/2018 02:11, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
> > Now the island stinkers have refused to give Skripal's cousine visa
> > under pretext that Yulia is not willing to see any relatives from
> > Russia. The pretext looks obviously bogus. In the phone call Yulia said
> > clearly to her cousine that the latter should expect certain denial of
> > visa, which hints
> > that the real reason is not her unwillingness but rather the
> > unwillingness of the island government.
>
> The whole purpose of any visa system is to enable the country concerned
> to refuse entry to anyone it doesn't want. It's a right any sovereign
> nation has.
>
> Russian citizens do not have automatice right of entry into the UK.
> They are subject to visa requirements.
>
> "The British Consulate refused to issue a visa for the niece of ex-GRU
> Colonel Sergey Skripal, Viktoria, for several reasons. First of all, the
> diplomatic department found the purpose of the visit of the Russian
> woman unconvincing, BBC reports citing the copy of the denial notification.
>
> "In particular, in her application, Viktoria Skripal wrote that she
> intended to visit her relatives in the UK,

Which no doubt was correct.

> to which the consulate noted
> that there was “no evidence that she had previously visited Sergei and
> Yulia Skripal in the UK.”

So what?

Using that childish excuse, no one would ever be granted a visa for the first
time.

> In addition, it is specified in the document
> that Sergey Skripal is not in a position to receive guests now.

That is for the medics to decide, not the Foreign Office.

> And
> finally, the diplomats are not confident that Yulia Skripal wants this
> visit.

That is for Yulia to decide, not the Foreign Office.

>
>
> "On top of everything else, Viktoria Skripal could not provide documents
> on her financial solvency - the department doubted that she has
> sufficient funds for travel expenses, as well as for a long stay in Britain.

We have been through this nonsense already.

>
>
> "In her application, the woman specified she was unemployed; she
> negatively answered the question of whether she had sponsors, savings or
> other sources of income."

Which is just the previous sentence re-worded to sound even worse... and
still fails to accept reality.

>
>
> https://en.crimerussia.com/gromkie-dela/reasons-for-refusal-to-issue-visa-to-s
> kripal-s-niece-revealed/

So basically this reply answers all the questions anyone would ever want to
ask concerning the British establishment. They are childish, petty,
stalinistic in their outlook, uncompassionate, think they know far more than
the medical profession or the patients themselves, and behave like the
gestapo.

Given the boss of the Foreign Office is Dumbo Johnson, they have the perfect
man for the department.
m***@btopenworld.com
2018-04-08 09:26:10 UTC
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On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 9:02:04 AM UTC+1, Norman Wells wrote:
> On 08/04/2018 02:11, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
> > Now the island stinkers have refused to give Skripal's cousine visa
> > under pretext that Yulia is not willing to see any relatives from
> > Russia. The pretext looks obviously bogus. In the phone call Yulia said
> > clearly to her cousine that the latter should expect certain denial of
> > visa, which hints
> > that the real reason is not her unwillingness but rather the
> > unwillingness of the island government.
>
> The whole purpose of any visa system is to enable the country concerned
> to refuse entry to anyone it doesn't want. It's a right any sovereign
> nation has.
>
> Russian citizens do not have automatice right of entry into the UK.
> They are subject to visa requirements.
>
> "The British Consulate refused to issue a visa for the niece of ex-GRU
> Colonel Sergey Skripal, Viktoria, for several reasons. First of all, the
> diplomatic department found the purpose of the visit of the Russian
> woman unconvincing, BBC reports citing the copy of the denial notification.
>
> "In particular, in her application, Viktoria Skripal wrote that she
> intended to visit her relatives in the UK, to which the consulate noted
> that there was “no evidence that she had previously visited Sergei and
> Yulia Skripal in the UK.” In addition, it is specified in the document
> that Sergey Skripal is not in a position to receive guests now. And
> finally, the diplomats are not confident that Yulia Skripal wants this
> visit.
>
> "On top of everything else, Viktoria Skripal could not provide documents
> on her financial solvency - the department doubted that she has
> sufficient funds for travel expenses, as well as for a long stay in Britain.
>
> "In her application, the woman specified she was unemployed; she
> negatively answered the question of whether she had sponsors, savings or
> other sources of income."
>
> https://en.crimerussia.com/gromkie-dela/reasons-for-refusal-to-issue-visa-to-skripal-s-niece-revealed/

In short it is the Russian Government that is behind the proposed 'Viktoria Skripal' visit and the reasons are obvious having been denied consular access to the Skripal victims, they are anxious to know exactly what the Scripals, from their hospital bed are saying to the authorities. It must be troubling them!

Of course, there is no reason that, once they are fit to travel, the Skripals if it is their wish, should not return to Russia. We do not do exit visas here. The UK government could do nothing to stop them.

Who is prepared to lay money that they will return?

Indeed there is now talk of moving them to a safe house, possibly in the States under new identities but nobody can make them go.

In the meantime perhaps movement of Russian diplomats could be restricted to a radius of not more than 1 mile from their embassy compound except for the purposes of travel to and from an international airport. It's been done before.

Old Soviet habits die hard. I remember in the 60's my wife worked and became friendly with a lady who had married a Hungarian refugee who had been deeply involved in the uprising. We went to a party at their house and met his brother who was over from Hungary on a family visit. Frist thing that impressed me was that he had been met at the airport by his refugee brother who drove him up to Doncaster. He was amazed that he came all that way without seeing a tank. He was travelling alone, his wife and mother having been refused visas by the Soviet authorities.

Come Glasnost all these nasty people did not vapourise into the air and these are the type of people we are dealing with.
Ophelia
2018-04-08 12:58:04 UTC
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"Norman Wells" wrote in message news:***@mid.individual.net...

On 08/04/2018 02:11, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

> Now the island stinkers have refused to give Skripal's cousine visa under
> pretext that Yulia is not willing to see any relatives from Russia. The
> pretext looks obviously bogus. In the phone call Yulia said clearly to her
> cousine that the latter should expect certain denial of visa, which hints
> that the real reason is not her unwillingness but rather the unwillingness
> of the island government.

The whole purpose of any visa system is to enable the country concerned
to refuse entry to anyone it doesn't want. It's a right any sovereign
nation has.

Russian citizens do not have automatice right of entry into the UK.
They are subject to visa requirements.

"The British Consulate refused to issue a visa for the niece of ex-GRU
Colonel Sergey Skripal, Viktoria, for several reasons. First of all, the
diplomatic department found the purpose of the visit of the Russian
woman unconvincing, BBC reports citing the copy of the denial notification.

"In particular, in her application, Viktoria Skripal wrote that she
intended to visit her relatives in the UK, to which the consulate noted
that there was “no evidence that she had previously visited Sergei and
Yulia Skripal in the UK.” In addition, it is specified in the document
that Sergey Skripal is not in a position to receive guests now. And
finally, the diplomats are not confident that Yulia Skripal wants this
visit.

"On top of everything else, Viktoria Skripal could not provide documents
on her financial solvency - the department doubted that she has
sufficient funds for travel expenses, as well as for a long stay in Britain.

"In her application, the woman specified she was unemployed; she
negatively answered the question of whether she had sponsors, savings or
other sources of income."

https://en.crimerussia.com/gromkie-dela/reasons-for-refusal-to-issue-visa-to-skripal-s-niece-revealed/

==

I read that the CIA and the FBI are now working together to get the Skripals
new identities in the US.

Let us hope that will keep them safe.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-04-11 20:40:25 UTC
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The island authorities hide Yulia Skripal from any contacts, which looks
rather like an abduction or kidnapping. Some silly aboriginals, whose
posts I saw in Twitter, say she's not willing to have contacts with the
Russians because they tried to kill her. Such is the faulty logic of the
primitive island tribe, based on circular references within their box.

The whole conspiracy theory, developed by the island shamans around the
Skripals case, is based on circular references within the box and trust
to their own alleged 'intelligence', which all is utterly unverifiable.
Moreover, it's visible, they seek to destroy everything that might be
investigated later independently as a material stuff, relevant to the
case (including those poor pets). Looks like, they reasonably fear that
such an investigation may destroy the crazy theory they have invented.

As long as the island officials speak on her behalf, it's impossible to
know what Yulia Skripal really thinks or wants to say. Her relatives in
Russia say before the incident she had certain plans for life: household
improvement, marriage etc. In her childhood, she spent many time in the
island, but then voluntarily chose to build her adult life in Russia.

She is quite a young woman with a labile psyche, it's reasonably to
believe that the official English scum subjected her to a massive
psychological treatment while she was in hospital, to indoctrinate her
in certain way. I suspect, the real reason, why the island officials are
obstructing her contacts with her relatives from Russia is that the scum
are afraid that such contacts could weaken the indoctrination, and she
mignt change her mind in some way.

Of course, all this makes sense only in assumption that the person is
really alive, the island officials certainly claim so, but so far there
was no way to verify this their claim as well.

...

<http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-russians-are-flabbergasted/>
This piece of black Russian humour had been forwarded a lot around the net:
Skripal had been poisoned by a most powerful poison, 2 grams will kill half
a country instantly! The Russians
- poisoned him in the restaurant
- no, on the bench
- no, in the car
- No, the door handle was smeared
- No, the suitcase was poisoned
- No, everything in the house was poisoned.
- Oh, and buckwheat was poisoned,
- but they did not die instantly, but walked around somewhere for four hours,
- but the policeman that discovered them almost died on the spot,
- but the poison was instantly identified,
- an antidote was instantly introduced, and Skripals and the policeman were
saved;
- The policeman had been discharged next day!
- But they were in coma, and they will never recover!
- but no, the daughter had recovered fast!
- Oh, and dad is revived ... a miracle!
- and they both are quickly recovering, your strongest poison is useless.
- the restaurant had been surrounded by police in spacesuits
- the park had been surrounded by police in spacesuits
- the house had surrounded by police in spacesuits
- they are in spacesuits, since the poison is deadly dangerous, but next to
them are policemen without protection ...
- The bench was cut down and removed: it's such a terrible poison that the
bench retained its toxic quality for two weeks;
- but the cat had survived in the poisoned house ... the policeman had
touched Skripal and nearly died, and the cat survived ... and the guinea
pigs would survive, but they were all forgotten, and died of hunger in the
house;
- and their remains were immediately burned, as they are poisoned by the
strongest poison;
- For two weeks they were poisoned by the strongest poison and survived, and
now they had to be urgently cremated;
- Only guinea pigs died, the cat survived all this poison. It was stressful
and hungry, so they killed it and cremated to make it certain nobody will
find the secret etc etc. ..
johnny-knowall
2018-04-11 21:04:59 UTC
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On 11 Apr 2018, Oleg Smirnov wrote
(in article <palrs0$52f$***@os.motzarella.org>):

> The island authorities hide Yulia Skripal from any contacts, which looks
> rather like an abduction or kidnapping. Some silly aboriginals, whose
> posts I saw in Twitter, say she's not willing to have contacts with the
> Russians because they tried to kill her. Such is the faulty logic of the
> primitive island tribe, based on circular references within their box.
>
> The whole conspiracy theory, developed by the island shamans around the
> Skripals case, is based on circular references within the box and trust
> to their own alleged 'intelligence', which all is utterly unverifiable.
> Moreover, it's visible, they seek to destroy everything that might be
> investigated later independently as a material stuff, relevant to the
> case (including those poor pets). Looks like, they reasonably fear that
> such an investigation may destroy the crazy theory they have invented.
>
> As long as the island officials speak on her behalf, it's impossible to
> know what Yulia Skripal really thinks or wants to say. Her relatives in
> Russia say before the incident she had certain plans for life: household
> improvement, marriage etc. In her childhood, she spent many time in the
> island, but then voluntarily chose to build her adult life in Russia.
>
> She is quite a young woman with a labile psyche, it's reasonably to
> believe that the official English scum subjected her to a massive
> psychological treatment while she was in hospital, to indoctrinate her
> in certain way. I suspect, the real reason, why the island officials are
> obstructing her contacts with her relatives from Russia is that the scum
> are afraid that such contacts could weaken the indoctrination, and she
> mignt change her mind in some way.
>
> Of course, all this makes sense only in assumption that the person is
> really alive, the island officials certainly claim so, but so far there
> was no way to verify this their claim as well.
>
> ...
>
> <http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-russians-are-flabbergasted/>
> This piece of black Russian humour had been forwarded a lot around the net:
> Skripal had been poisoned by a most powerful poison, 2 grams will kill half
> a country instantly! The Russians
> - poisoned him in the restaurant
> - no, on the bench
> - no, in the car
> - No, the door handle was smeared
> - No, the suitcase was poisoned
> - No, everything in the house was poisoned.
> - Oh, and buckwheat was poisoned,
> - but they did not die instantly, but walked around somewhere for four hours,
> - but the policeman that discovered them almost died on the spot,
> - but the poison was instantly identified,
> - an antidote was instantly introduced, and Skripals and the policeman were
> saved;
> - The policeman had been discharged next day!
> - But they were in coma, and they will never recover!
> - but no, the daughter had recovered fast!
> - Oh, and dad is revived ... a miracle!
> - and they both are quickly recovering, your strongest poison is useless.
> - the restaurant had been surrounded by police in spacesuits
> - the park had been surrounded by police in spacesuits
> - the house had surrounded by police in spacesuits
> - they are in spacesuits, since the poison is deadly dangerous, but next to
> them are policemen without protection ...
> - The bench was cut down and removed: it's such a terrible poison that the
> bench retained its toxic quality for two weeks;
> - but the cat had survived in the poisoned house ... the policeman had
> touched Skripal and nearly died, and the cat survived ... and the guinea
> pigs would survive, but they were all forgotten, and died of hunger in the
> house;
> - and their remains were immediately burned, as they are poisoned by the
> strongest poison;
> - For two weeks they were poisoned by the strongest poison and survived, and
> now they had to be urgently cremated;
> - Only guinea pigs died, the cat survived all this poison. It was stressful
> and hungry, so they killed it and cremated to make it certain nobody will
> find the secret etc etc. ..

Yulia probably remembers nothing, but she has been moved to a place where
soon she will have a clear and highly detailed recall of this man talking
Russian who came to her father’s door just as they were about to go out for
Sunday lunch.

I think the only difficulty still to be sorted out is, which right wing
national newspaper will be given this “exclusive” from a “government
spokesperson”; and how much someone called Murdoch or Dacre will have to
pay for the privilege.
m***@btopenworld.com
2018-04-12 08:28:00 UTC
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On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 9:40:33 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

> The whole conspiracy theory, developed by the island shamans around the
> Skripals case, is based on circular references within the box and trust
> to their own alleged 'intelligence', which all is utterly unverifiable.
> Moreover, it's visible, they seek to destroy everything that might be
> investigated later independently as a material stuff, relevant to the
> case (including those poor pets). Looks like, they reasonably fear that
> such an investigation may destroy the crazy theory they have invented.

And was Alexander Litvinenko a victim of UK subterfuge?

How about Georgi Markov? How about those various Russians who have suffered sudden unexplained deaths over recent years? Russian/ establishments over the years have not only form over this type of behaviour so much as a tradition. It has been a very dangerous game for any Russian to get on the wrong side of any Russian government going back to before arch killer Stalin and even the Tsars.

It's part of their political culture.

OTOH the UK along with other free states has an independent judiciary which is the ultimate guarantee of our freedom. William Hague best described it in a TV interview when he said that these forign autocrats just couldn't understand the idea that as a politician he could not simply pick up a telephone and order the courts to imprison someone or to release someone who they have imprisoned. That he was subject to the same law as anyone else. Lit was just beyond their understanding.

The Skripals have committed no wrongdoing here. That being the case, they are free to go where they wish. If they wish to go to Russia, all they have to do is book a flight, go to the airport and get on it. They do not even need permission from anybody. They have not been abducted by the UK government. That would be unlawful. If that were the case then all they would have to do is get a lawyer to apply to a court for and get a writ of Habeus Corpus.

Beyond that there would be such a political stink that it is doubtful that the government of the day would survive. We do take our freedoms seriously.

These freedoms have been gradually won over the centuries. They were once, at least to some extent, won in Russia too. However, the guardians of those freedoms did not maintain them. They did not remove the wicked Tsars, they replaced them. As a result, millions of Russians had to die even to get where we are now.

Don't make comparisons here a between personal freedoms in Russia and in the UK.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-04-12 14:44:55 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/yc24yx79> counterpunch.org

How Can We Know If a Chemical Weapons Attack Took Place in Syria?

PATRICK COCKBURN | APRIL 12, 2018

.. The Russian and Syrian government accounts of what happened, varying
between saying there were no attacks or that evidence for them has been
fabricated, are contradictory. A Russian spokeswoman said on Wednesday
that the use of "smart missiles" on Syrian government forces could be an
attempt to destroy the evidence. ..

...

The island *wits are desperate to search for 'contradictions' in claims
of the Russian officials. Cockburn personally is far from the worst, but
he manifests the common syndrome. Thus they seek to instill in their
audience a false image of ostensibly confused and embarrassed 'Russians'
ostensibly trying to make 'incoherent excuses'. Sometimes, quite rarely,
contradictory statements appear, of course, but most of those ostensible
'contradictions' in your media take place due to inaccurate translation
(where the inaccuracy may well be deliberate) or inability of the island
tribe to grasp exact meaning of something said within a context.

Specifically, the above Russian spokeswoman was a bit sarcastic, and the
meaning of her words is that a missile attack would look as an attempt
to destroy evidence if an evidence was there. It doesn't imply that some
certain evidence really exists there. Meanwhile, the writer gives it as
an example of 'contradiction' to the claims of the Russia experts that
visited the site of the alleged chemical attack and could not find there
any evidence of the sort.

In the similar shoddy way they 'noticed' ostensible 'contradictions' in
the Russian official claims with regard to the Skripals case and other
topics, which is rather a talk among their own voices within their head.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-04-19 19:57:35 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/yak3p6le> antiwar.com

.. The UN Department of Safety and Security (UNDSS) continues to prevent
chemical inspectors from entering Douma for their investigation, citing
safety concerns. .. The OPCW inspectors did not visit Monday, and there
were many allegations exchanged as to why. Though the shoddy island
official stinkers blamed Russia for the delay, it is now clear that the
UNDSS is driving the scheduling.

The UNDSS team visited two sites in Douma, but fled both times. In the
first case, they claimed there was a large crowd there, and they were
concerned about safety. At the second site there was a report of an
explosion nearby, and claimed to have come under small arms fire by some
unknown faction. ..

...

So the UN pussies turned out to be [xenophobically] afraid of 'a large
crowd' of those the very same people on behalf of whom the unauthorized
Atlanticist scum love to speak out so much.
Norman Wells
2018-04-19 20:04:49 UTC
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On 19/04/2018 20:57, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> <http://tinyurl.com/yak3p6le> antiwar.com
>
> .. The UN Department of Safety and Security (UNDSS) continues to prevent
> chemical inspectors from entering Douma for their investigation, citing
> safety concerns. .. The OPCW inspectors did not visit Monday, and there
> were many allegations exchanged as to why. Though the shoddy island
> official stinkers blamed Russia for the delay, it is now clear that the
> UNDSS is driving the scheduling.
>
> The UNDSS team visited two sites in Douma, but fled both times. In the
> first case, they claimed there was a large crowd there, and they were
> concerned about safety. At the second site there was a report of an
> explosion nearby, and claimed to have come under small arms fire by some
> unknown faction. ..
>
> ...
>
> So the UN pussies turned out to be [xenophobically] afraid of 'a large
> crowd' of those the very same people on behalf of whom the unauthorized
> Atlanticist scum love to speak out so much.

They were shot at. And it's difficult to work effectively when you're
under fire. Especially when you don't have an army protecting you.

But who was firing on them? The area was clear of rebel fighters,
leaving only the Syrian forces and the Russians as possibilities.
johnny-knowall
2018-04-19 20:50:11 UTC
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On 19 Apr 2018, Norman Wells wrote
(in article <***@mid.individual.net>):

> On 19/04/2018 20:57, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> > <http://tinyurl.com/yak3p6le> antiwar.com
> >
> > .. The UN Department of Safety and Security (UNDSS) continues to prevent
> > chemical inspectors from entering Douma for their investigation, citing
> > safety concerns. .. The OPCW inspectors did not visit Monday, and there
> > were many allegations exchanged as to why. Though the shoddy island
> > official stinkers blamed Russia for the delay, it is now clear that the
> > UNDSS is driving the scheduling.
> >
> > The UNDSS team visited two sites in Douma, but fled both times. In the
> > first case, they claimed there was a large crowd there, and they were
> > concerned about safety. At the second site there was a report of an
> > explosion nearby, and claimed to have come under small arms fire by some
> > unknown faction. ..
> >
> > ...
> >
> > So the UN pussies turned out to be [xenophobically] afraid of 'a large
> > crowd' of those the very same people on behalf of whom the unauthorized
> > Atlanticist scum love to speak out so much.
>
> They were shot at. And it's difficult to work effectively when you're
> under fire. Especially when you don't have an army protecting you.
>
> But who was firing on them? The area was clear of rebel fighters,
> leaving only the Syrian forces and the Russians as possibilities.

Or, some undercover folk pretending to be Syrian or Russian military.
Norman Wells
2018-04-19 21:42:02 UTC
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On 19/04/2018 21:50, johnny-knowall wrote:
> On 19 Apr 2018, Norman Wells wrote
> (in article <***@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> On 19/04/2018 20:57, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>>> <http://tinyurl.com/yak3p6le> antiwar.com
>>>
>>> .. The UN Department of Safety and Security (UNDSS) continues to prevent
>>> chemical inspectors from entering Douma for their investigation, citing
>>> safety concerns. .. The OPCW inspectors did not visit Monday, and there
>>> were many allegations exchanged as to why. Though the shoddy island
>>> official stinkers blamed Russia for the delay, it is now clear that the
>>> UNDSS is driving the scheduling.
>>>
>>> The UNDSS team visited two sites in Douma, but fled both times. In the
>>> first case, they claimed there was a large crowd there, and they were
>>> concerned about safety. At the second site there was a report of an
>>> explosion nearby, and claimed to have come under small arms fire by some
>>> unknown faction. ..
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> So the UN pussies turned out to be [xenophobically] afraid of 'a large
>>> crowd' of those the very same people on behalf of whom the unauthorized
>>> Atlanticist scum love to speak out so much.
>>
>> They were shot at. And it's difficult to work effectively when you're
>> under fire. Especially when you don't have an army protecting you.
>>
>> But who was firing on them? The area was clear of rebel fighters,
>> leaving only the Syrian forces and the Russians as possibilities.
>
> Or, some undercover folk pretending to be Syrian or Russian military.

Or some Syrian or Russian military pretending to be some undercover folk
who would have no reason at all to fire on UN personnel.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-04-24 14:19:59 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/ydd4gs9g> craigmurray.org.uk

British Democracy is Dysfunctional

<http://tinyurl.com/ybpz7la7> medium.com/@OwenJones84

Owen Jones | Apr 22

The main thing I've learned from working in the shoddy island media is that
much of it is a cult. Afflicted by a suffocating groupthink, intolerant of
critics, hounds internal dissenters, full of people who made it because of
connections and/or personal background rather than merit. .. There are many
factors conspiring to make a bad situation worse. The decline of local
newspapers .. the media is so concentrated in London .. Then there's
nepotism, connections, and getting ahead because of who you know. ..

Read more <http://tinyurl.com/ybpz7la7>

...

The small islanders face essentially the same issue as those morons on the
other side of the pond whose arse hole you have to lick within the new
world order.

The media content consuming by the US public is produced by about a six
mega-corporations according to the party line, and your island situation is
essentially similar <http://u.to/v772EQ>.

The above writer casually mentioned "decline of local newspapers" but did
not emphasize the actually primary issue, which is "concentration of media
ownership" <http://u.to/tzv1EQ>, <http://clck.ru/DE7jd>

Other issues are mostly derivative of that.

Many notice 'groupthink', for example. While there's an element of natural
spontaneity in this phenomenon, the modern 'western' groupthink is rather
a designed thing, - a result of purposeful breeding editorial work.

The corporate mainstream mass media is, in fact, a yet one branch of power
within the separation of powers concept. In the present day situation, you
silly people have allowed it to be consolidated in the hands of a very
small number of owners. This branch is disproportionately powerful against
others, and since it's non-elected, it makes your 'democracy' a joke.

The small cabal of the owners of the large media corporations can impose
their manipulation on the millions of people, - and the members of this
small power group are not only non-elected, but also non-accountable and
non-liable, - they can promote any falsehoods with impunity, as I already
explained it in another message <http://u.to/vM32EQ>.

The non-liability for lies would be tolerable in the case of real free
press, where the 'free speech' principle allows to rich truth through sane
competition of non-liable free speakers. But due to the concentration of
media ownership you no longer have a competition of free speakers. Lone
voices of dissent are feeble and helpless against the mighty MSM machine.

The mass-media consolidation allows - in a coordinated effort - to promote
various misrepresentations with impaired sense of proportion, as well as
pure hoaxes made entirely from nothing, that brings the cattle-like mass
public into an artificial /induced neurosis according to the will of those
who are behind the media manipulation.

It became visible to me four years ago due to the 'small island statement'
hoax <http://tinyurl.com/ztm8eqm> <http://archive.is/UUsDn>. It was very
notable that no one of the island cattle whom I tried to explain the clear
fact that they are being manipulated, was able to admit this obvious fact.
It illustrates a high level of zombification, and the recent Skripals hoax
left no doubt about what kind of scum in the government and what kind of
zombified regular public we have to face with regard to the shoddy island.

While the corporations that make up the MSM may be private and independent
from a formal point of view, they are actually a part of state. Not state-
sposored or state-run, but rather state-constituent. They are an important
part of your persistent non-elected government (the very fact of which had
[suddenly] been discovered recently under Deep State label).

The MSM have proved their power in the recent Trump case. Trump was elected
in spite of the media campaign against him. However, for a short time, they
managed to convert him into a well-trained circus animal, and now the agenda
of the Trump administration is very much different from what he campaigned
about and what the US voters reputedly voted for him for.

The pathetic Trump case is an important instructive example. Some island
aboriginals believe that something may be changed if a "non-establishment"
figure like Corbyn of Farage was elected. The Trump example shows that such
beliefs are naive and unrealistic, because the real governing power in your
environment is actually not what you might have elected.

You are not (or no longer) a democracy but rather a sick cattle-like herd
manageable through jingoism, tribalism and implantation of cultist fetishes
in your weak mind. Right-wingers look especially hapless in this sense,
since they love to manifest their disgain towards 'leftist media', but when
it comes to real issues they show that they are well-indoctrinated by the
very same media. In turn, the MSM work not in a primitive but rather in
sophisticated way, and their indoctrination is multilayered, you can rather
easily reject a surface layer but what they really indoctrinate you about
lies deeper than what you may be able to notice.

The main thing you need to realize with regard to Russia and some other
nations that are unfriendly to the scum governing over you the cattle, is
that while such nations may have some issues, your political system is not
a 'model' they might want to follow. One of the reasons why it's repulsive
is what I have written above. You should not believe your minders that are
so desperate to indoctrinate you that many others are dreaming of 'western
democracy'. Those who seek to migrate into your environment do it mainly
due to economic reasons, not because they like your system or your culture
of hypocrisy. That is, inter alia, the reason why you will never be able
'to integrate' those Muslims, and not only. In turn, with the MSM-driven
cultism like the present one, you are doomed to declain, - and the present
economic vantage is a temporary and waning effect (which is pretty obvious
in the global economic trends).
Byker
2018-04-24 18:53:11 UTC
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"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pbnela$cjq$***@os.motzarella.org...
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/ydd4gs9g> craigmurray.org.uk
>
> British Democracy is Dysfunctional

And Putin's government isn't? https://tinyurl.com/y9aqhdj5

http://neweasterneurope.eu/2017/08/18/russia-and-putin-a-dysfunctional-family/

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2016-04-18/russian-politics-under-putin


https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2016/03/11/commentary/world-commentary/russia-missed-chance-like-america/

As the late Alexander Lebed put it in his autobiography
(https://tinyurl.com/yce4f4tl), "Russia is not America and can never be. Let
Russia be Russia and America be America." I'll go with that. Abandon the
Russkies to their fate until they come to their senses...
Mr. B1ack
2018-04-25 02:27:15 UTC
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:53:11 -0500, "Byker" <***@do~rag.net> wrote:

>"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pbnela$cjq$***@os.motzarella.org...
>>
>> <http://tinyurl.com/ydd4gs9g> craigmurray.org.uk
>>
>> British Democracy is Dysfunctional
>
>And Putin's government isn't?

Nope. It's functioning exactly like Russian govt
usually functions - and it works.

That may not be quite like how WE think govt
should function, but then they didn't ask for
our blessing or approval.

The UK, and to a large degree the US, govt
is dysfunctional because it is not functioning
the way We The People want and expect it to
function. They are examples of"Hippocritocracy".

Even worse, not only are they governments of
lies ... it's questionable as to whether they can
continue to function AT ALL for much longer.
Governing by lies and delusions can only lead
to dire consequences ... and thus destruction,
revolution or both.
Byker
2018-04-25 21:11:33 UTC
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"Mr. B1ack" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:53:11 -0500, "Byker" <***@do~rag.net> wrote:
>
>>"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pbnela$cjq$***@os.motzarella.org...
>>>
>>> <http://tinyurl.com/ydd4gs9g> craigmurray.org.uk
>>>
>>> British Democracy is Dysfunctional
>>
>>And Putin's government isn't?
>
> Nope. It's functioning exactly like Russian govt
> usually functions - and it works.
>
> That may not be quite like how WE think govt
> should function, but then they didn't ask for
> our blessing or approval.

Kleptocracy seems to be popular everywhere among new "democracies"
Mr. B1ack
2018-04-25 22:12:10 UTC
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 16:11:33 -0500, "Byker" <***@do~rag.net> wrote:

>"Mr. B1ack" wrote in message
>news:***@4ax.com...
>
>On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:53:11 -0500, "Byker" <***@do~rag.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pbnela$cjq$***@os.motzarella.org...
>>>>
>>>> <http://tinyurl.com/ydd4gs9g> craigmurray.org.uk
>>>>
>>>> British Democracy is Dysfunctional
>>>
>>>And Putin's government isn't?
>>
>> Nope. It's functioning exactly like Russian govt
>> usually functions - and it works.
>>
>> That may not be quite like how WE think govt
>> should function, but then they didn't ask for
>> our blessing or approval.
>
>Kleptocracy seems to be popular everywhere
>among new "democracies"

All.

There are no democracies. Probably never
were when you get right down to it. The
power elite run things for their own benefit
first and foremost. However it was genius
to pretend to be 'democracies' because
it fools The People into *thinking* they have
a lot more control than they really do.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-04-26 22:30:30 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/y8b2aek2> reuters.com

Russia presents unharmed Syrians to OPCW, Western envoys condemn 'stunt'

THE HAGUE (Reuters) - Russia and Syria presented more than a dozen unharmed
people from Ghouta, Syria .. to support claims there was no chemical attack
in the region this month.

The Island of Shame dismissed the move as a theatrical "stunt", and said
allied powers including France and the United States had boycotted the
closed-door briefing.

"The OPCW is not a theater," Peter Wilson, island stinker to the agency ..

...

Read / watch RT, Sputnik for relevant information <https://on.rt.com/9448>

Russia has presented not just unknown / unnamed unharmed Syrians, but
those people whom you can notice acting in those 'chemical attack' videos,
fabricated by the 'white helmets' hoax group.

The English scum's 'theater' claims are pathetic. Speaking about a theater,
one should note that the fabricated 'chemical attack' visual 'evidence'
produced by the IoS-supported 'white helmets' hoax group was really a
theater, that deserves all due epithets like 'stunt', 'obscene' etc.
That's your shit.

I kindly recommend the islanders to go to the street and demand an early
resignation of the government. The evil and indecent people that govern over
you have embarked on the path of blatant lies and fabrications, they won't
stop by themselves. They'll rather have to invent even more brazen and bold
lies, like it usually happens with such liars.

Their obscene activities give me a legitimate reason to call your island
shoddy and stinky, which I do without much pleasure, and I would be glad if
you brought to power more sane and decent people.
True Blue
2018-04-27 09:54:51 UTC
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> Their obscene activities give me a legitimate reason to call your island
> shoddy and stinky

Will we ever recover?
Oleg Smirnov
2018-04-30 21:36:03 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/y9xoufto> craigmurray.org.uk

.. the person being protected was Pablo Miller, colleague in both MI6 then
Orbis Intelligence of Christopher Steele, author of the fabrications of
the Trump/Russia golden shower dossier. That the government's very first
act on the poisoning was to ban all media mention of Pablo Miller makes it
extremely probable that this whole incident is related to the Trump
dossier and that Skripal had worked on it, as I immediately suspected.
The most probable cause is that Skripal - who you should remember had
traded the names of Russian agents to Britain for cash - had worked on the
dossier with Miller but was threatening to expose its lies for cash.

<http://tinyurl.com/y8hdfng7> craigmurray.org.uk

.. At the very beginning of the of the Skripal incident, the security
services blocked by D(SMA) notice any media mention of Pablo Miller and
told the media not to look at Orbis and the Steele dossier on Trump,
acting immediately to get out their message via trusties in the BBC and
Guardian. ..

We still have no idea of who attacked Sergei Skripal and why. But the fact
that, right from the start, the government blocked the media from
mentioning Pablo Miller, and put out denials that this has anything to do
with Christopher Steele and Orbis, including lying that Miller had never
been connected to Orbis, convinces me that this is the most promising ..

This does not tell us who did it. Possibly the Russians did, annoyed that
Skripal was feeding information to the Steele dossier, against the terms of
his release.

Given that the Steele dossier is demonstrably in large degree nonsense, it
seems to me more probable the idea was to silence Skripal to close the
danger that he would reveal his part in the concoction of this fraud.
Remember he had sold out Russian agents to the British for cash and was a
man of elastic loyalties. .. Steele, MI6 and the elements of the CIA which
are out to get Trump, all would have a powerful motive to have the Skripal
loose end tied. ..

...

I find Mr Murray's consideration sane, logical and realistic, but I also
can notice certain incompleteness and flaws within his reasonable way of
thoughts.

I find it unrealistic that 'the Russians' might set terms of Skripal
release - similarly to 'the Americans' that hardly might set terms of Anna
Chapman release - before the spy exchange. The party that gives a spy away,
must be understanding that it's simply not in position to set terms. If they
set terms and hint a punishment for noncompliance, then, immediately after
the exchange, a spy would tell it to the receiving party asking for special
protection, identity change and the like.

Skripal was living in the island in unprotected mode without any guard. His
daugher and other relatives chose to live in Russia, and nobody harassed
them there, nobody preveted them to do what they like and live the way they
like. Such a situation would be impossible if there were 'terms of release'
and a sinister threat of a punishment for 'violation' loomed over him.

Yet one thing missed in the Murray's consideration is the fact that if the
main goal was to guarantee Skripal's silence (with regard to the infamous
'steele dossier' or anything else) then why the performers chose such an
exotic substance, why they included his daughter, and why they still didn't
manage to kill him/them properly? It's much easier to kill an unprotected
person with a shot or by a knife blow, making it look like a banal robbery.
It would be more realistic to think that Skripal as such was not the goal,
but the main goal was to deliberately produce a public outrage with visible
'Russian track'. Or, it might be that they wanted to implement two in one.

For the most likely 'public outrage' version, there's also a furcation: the
Skripals might be really attacked with Novichok or they might be accidentally
intoxicated by something else, after which the island authorities cleverly
picked it up as a convenient opportunity to misrepresent it as an attack
with Novichok and then orchestrate the public outrage with due consequence.
The latter version should be taken into account, because the very early
reports <http://tinyurl.com/ybmosnh6> confidently described the case as an
opioid intoxication (I'm personall not an expert, but the experts seem to
say that opioids and nerve agents produce distinctly different symptoms).

So far, the island government has produced a lot of stinky noise and noisy
stink, but they managed to conceal important elements that might fill some
gaps, and they continue to keep the Skripals (if any) isolated and silent.

...

I also recommend to read the below article that points out inconsistencies
within the published details and the official narrative with regard to the
case.

<http://tinyurl.com/ybwecw5p> zerohedge.com

The Official Narrative on the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal is a
collection of illogical claims and assertions that cannot be made to fit
together, that make no rational sense, and which would require us to hold a
mass of contradictory thoughts in our head if we were to accept it. It is in
short a conspiracy theory, and a particularly bad one at that. ..

...



> ...
>
> Read / watch RT, Sputnik for relevant information <https://on.rt.com/9448>
Oleg Smirnov
2018-05-14 15:53:05 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/y9sjytq7> reuters.com
Czech president asks spy service to see if Novichok was produced locally
MARCH 26, 2018

<http://tinyurl.com/y6vj4kns> irozhlas.cz
Zeman: We're lying in our own pocket. In the Czech Republic, Novicok was
manufactured and tested ..

<https://on.rt.com/94jb>
.. Czech Republic tested nerve agent similar to Novichok used on Skripals
Published time: 3 May, 2018
The Czech Republic has apparently produced and tested a nerve agent of the
so-called Novichok family, the country's president Milos Zeman told state
media. His statement follows an inquiry conducted by the Czech security
services. / "One has to conclude that our country produced and tested
Novichok, even though [it was produced] only in small quantities and then
destroyed," the Czech leader told the Barrandov TV Channel. "It would be
hypocritical to pretend it is not so," he said, adding that "there is no
need to lie."

...

The machinative English scum urged the US and the Eurostinkers to play the
lies and denial, however, at least one honest politician still exists in
Europe. Many Czech top officials responded hysterically when the Russian
experts named Czechia among the nations about which it was known that they
produced and tested the Novichok type substances. Zeman ordered the Czech
state security service to conduct a research and report to him the real
story. The report has proved that the Russian claims were not baseless.

That's, of course, can not be a reason to automatically blame the Czech
state or some in Czechia for the Skripals case. The same way the 'Soviet
ancestry' of the Novichok type substances does not allow to automatically
blame Russia. What the English scum did, and the US scum and the European
stinkers did in solidarity with the English scum, is wrong.

The scum invent and promote crazy lies, and when Russia correctly points
out their lies, they lament about the awful Russian propaganda. The sick
spectacle is mainly intended for the domestic 'western' cattle. To the
stupid English or some other 'western' catte that might read this, my
advice is to go to the streets and protest against the government. If you
don't protest against them, then you make yourself an accomplice, and you
will share the responsibility together some day.



> <http://tinyurl.com/ybwecw5p>
>
> The Official Narrative on the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal is a
> collection of illogical claims and assertions that cannot be made to fit
> together ..
Oleg Smirnov
2018-05-15 12:54:50 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/y9879ry6> thesun.co.uk

.. Russian tycoon who feared he was No11 on 'hit-list' surrenders
to Moscow .. A RUSSIAN who claims he is on Vladimir Putin's "death
list" surrendered to Moscow yesterday, fearing he was about to be
killed. .. Last night he was reported to have "surrendered to
Russia" in the Croatian capital Zagreb. He had been wanted by
Russian authorities for more than a decade after fleeing to London
before being jailed in his absence on fraud charges. But he was
said to have returned last night after being promised he would be
spared the Russian president's wrath. ..

...

Quite a LOL.

These business fraudsters aren't as stupid as those for whom the
tabloids publish this nonsense. They likely started to realize that
the prospect to become a pawn in the island government's dirty games
now may pose a real danger to their life. In such a situation, fair
punishment in Russia for fraud is a better option than a real prospect
to be killed in the island by the MI5/6, or by more shadowy actors, in
order to be posthumously labeled as yet one Putin's victim.

It's clear that the island government is now falling into more crazy
and silly trend, since 'polonization' is in progress. But what exactly
did trigger their desperation? The main reason I see is the fact that
Russia has undermined their encroachments in Syria, where they made a
bid for radical extremists, staged fake 'chamical attacks' through the
White Helmets hoax group and so on. The regular islanders should not
regret it, because your government's plans and actions were low and
indecent. The fact that Russia had undermined them is a good thing
from the common human perspective. It's not the first time when Russia
stopped English machinations, so it might explain their insane fury.
Since your government is an ugly gung, I recommend you to get rid of
the Stokholm syndrome, go to the streets and start protesting against
their power, before it's too late.



> <http://tinyurl.com/ybwecw5p>
>
> The Official Narrative on the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal
> is a collection of illogical claims and assertions that cannot be
> made to fit together ..
Byker
2018-05-15 17:45:20 UTC
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"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pdeldc$r73$***@os.motzarella.org...

<http://tinyurl.com/y9879ry6> thesun.co.uk
>
> He had been wanted by Russian authorities for more than a decade after
> fleeing to London before being jailed in his absence on fraud charges. But
> he was said to have returned last night after being promised he would be
> spared the Russian president's wrath. ..

Can he spell D-U-P-E? N-A-I-F? G-U-L-L-I-B-L-E?

How long before he dies of "natural" causes?
Oleg Smirnov
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Byker the Shithead, <news:zKadnY2BH5gtgWbHnZ2dnUU7-***@supernews.com>
>

The sod expanded cross-posting, below is the original message.

...

<http://tinyurl.com/y9879ry6> thesun.co.uk

.. Russian tycoon who feared he was No11 on 'hit-list' surrenders
to Moscow .. A RUSSIAN who claims he is on Vladimir Putin's "death
list" surrendered to Moscow yesterday, fearing he was about to be
killed. .. Last night he was reported to have "surrendered to
Russia" in the Croatian capital Zagreb. He had been wanted by
Russian authorities for more than a decade after fleeing to London
before being jailed in his absence on fraud charges. But he was
said to have returned last night after being promised he would be
spared the Russian president's wrath. ..

...

Quite a LOL.

These business fraudsters aren't as stupid as those for whom the
tabloids publish this nonsense. They likely started to realize that
the prospect to become a pawn in the island government's dirty games
now may pose a real danger to their life. In such a situation, fair
punishment in Russia for fraud is a better option than a real prospect
to be killed in the island by the MI5/6, or by more shadowy actors, in
order to be posthumously labeled as yet one Putin's victim.

It's clear that the island government is now falling into more crazy
and silly trend, since 'polonization' is in progress. But what exactly
did trigger their desperation? The main reason I see is the fact that
Russia has undermined their encroachments in Syria, where they made a
bid for radical extremists, staged fake 'chamical attacks' through the
White Helmets hoax group and so on. The regular islanders should not
regret it, because your government's plans and actions were low and
indecent. The fact that Russia had undermined them is a good thing
from the common human perspective. It's not the first time when Russia
stopped English machinations, so it might explain their insane fury.
Since your government is an ugly gung, I recommend you to get rid of
the Stokholm syndrome, go to the streets and start protesting against
their power, before it's too late.



> <http://tinyurl.com/ybwecw5p>
>
> The Official Narrative on the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal
> is a collection of illogical claims and assertions that cannot be
> made to fit together ..
Byker
2018-05-15 20:21:51 UTC
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"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pdfca5$qsh$***@os.motzarella.org...

Byker the Shithead, <news:zKadnY2BH5gtgWbHnZ2dnUU7-***@supernews.com>
>
>
> The sod expanded cross-posting, below is the original message.

Russian expats don't consider it paranoid to be in fear of their lives:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/terrified-russian-exile-appears-tv-12191051

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/933166/uk-russia-war-news-latest-Nikolai-Glushkov

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/931570/Russia-war-Vladimir-Putin-russian-expats-bodyguards

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/exiled-russian-businessman-fears-life-12208192

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/18/police-dont-take-it-seriously-russian-exile-fears-for-safety

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/under-russian-terror-all-exiles-are-fearful-and-all-deaths-are-suspicious

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/14/russian-exiles-nikolai-glushkov-death-london-suspicious-friends-claim
Oleg Smirnov
2018-05-19 20:14:49 UTC
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Those who watch the situation in Syria might notice that the Syrian army
have recently liberated almost all enclaves near Damascus and within the
Syria's heartland. A small ISIS-held enclave in the south of Damascus is
still in process, and it's expected to be liberated in the near future.
Extremist militants were partly neutralized and partly transferred to the
Turkish-held area in the northern Syria, where the Turks will - or will
not - sort them out.

Syria situation is still far from settlement, but the recent developments
have been a significant improvement, and it finally killed the initial
Atlanticist hopes to implement a regime change through use of the jihadis
(although the Atlanticist scum still have many ways to spoil in Syria).
Liberation of E. Ghouta was the key step, and then the next 'rebel'-held
enclaves were processed in domino-effect mode. It's also notable that the
Atlanticist MSM stopped hysterical howls after the Ghouta liberation. It
was due to the fact that E. Ghouta was the place where the most valuable
Atlanticist assets - their most lactated extremist groups - were residing.

The above provides a context to better understand the Skripals hoax and
the staged chemical attack in Ghouta in April. The operation to liberate
the 'rebel'-held enclave west of Damascus began in February, and by early
April it became clear that it soon be completed. The Atlanticist scum came
in deep despair, so the Skripals hoax and the staged chemical attack were
arranged to be a kind of 'punishment' of 'Russia' for elimination of their
terrorist 'assets' in Syria. It's appropriate to remind the Atlanticist
expectations just a few years ago <http://bit.ly/2wTQTut>. So now it's no
wonder that the English scum feel desperate and run around screaming that
Russia seeks to destroy the western democracy, which indicates their pain
due to the fact that Russia has undermined their unsightly machinations.

But why not just Atlanticist, why namely English scum? Because namely the
English are main responsible for the shadowy machinative part within the
coordinated activities of the Atlanticist mafia gang. The English have
lost imperial power, but still have not lost imperial lust for power, and
now their lust is being sublimated in the machinations and fabrications.
The righteous domestic MSM's rhetoric is also a kind of machination to
brainwash their own gullible plebs ('cattle') about the true objectives
of their minders. The English cattle is well-manipulatable through a set
of well-entrenched anchors and taboos in the island culture.

For several years, I've been closely watching and learning the behavioral
patterns of the English scum, and I see they are pretty sly and subtle in
tactics but extremely primitive in the basics. The English issue a strong
stench every time when 'Russia' achieves something or seeks 'to show off'
something. Eg. one should likely expect an English stench again during the
upcoming football events in Russia. The reason for such an insane painful
jealousy is not quite clear to me, but the very fact is certainly clear.
In the recent years Russia sought to build rational relations with the
island, but due to the recent 'incidents' it can no longer be the so. Now
the Russians will likely consider the English a difficult mental patient
and treat them accordingly, similarly to the way we used to treat Poland.
You still have a chance to avoid a tragicomic 'polonization' if you go to
the streets and protest against your current indecent government. It's up
to each of you to decide whether you stand on the bright side of truth or
you stand on the dark side of machinations together with your government.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-05-23 19:48:11 UTC
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<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN77GSVqZm0>

"Yulia Skripal says her world has 'turned upside down'"

She looks somewhere upwards and somewhat sideways. Her speech
is "robotic", unnatural intonation. She uses phrasings native
Russians don't use. Her eyes're empty. It looks like her will
is totally suppressed, and the person just does not belong to
herself and has no choice.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-05-23 21:57:15 UTC
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<https://on.rt.com/95x8>

Russian diplomats must be allowed access to Yulia Skripal to know she's not
held forcibly - embassy
Published time: 23 May, 2018

...

Well, direct conversation with Yulia Skripal may change something or may
not change anything, since her father is held hostage anyway. As long as it
continues she may be afraid to say what she really thinks. The English have
likely combined carrot and stick for her psychological treatment, promising
support, money etc if she behaves nice and hint at troubles othewise.



> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN77GSVqZm0>
>
> "Yulia Skripal says her world has 'turned upside down'"
>
> She looks somewhere upwards and somewhat sideways. Her speech
> is "robotic", unnatural intonation. She uses phrasings native
> Russians don't use. Her eyes're empty. It looks like her will
> is totally suppressed, and the person just does not belong to
> herself and has no choice.
Phi
2018-05-23 21:28:34 UTC
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"Oleg Smirnov" <***@netc.eu> wrote in message
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> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN77GSVqZm0>
>
> "Yulia Skripal says her world has 'turned upside down'"
>
> She looks somewhere upwards and somewhat sideways. Her speech is
> "robotic", unnatural intonation. She uses phrasings native Russians don't
> use. Her eyes're empty. It looks like her will is totally suppressed, and
> the person just does not belong to herself and has no choice.


She had a scar on her throat.
Norman Wells
2018-05-23 21:02:29 UTC
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On 23/05/2018 22:28, Phi wrote:
> "Oleg Smirnov" <***@netc.eu> wrote in message
> news:pe4gie$aue$***@os.motzarella.org...
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN77GSVqZm0>
>>
>> "Yulia Skripal says her world has 'turned upside down'"
>>
>> She looks somewhere upwards and somewhat sideways. Her speech is
>> "robotic", unnatural intonation. She uses phrasings native Russians
>> don't use. Her eyes're empty. It looks like her will is totally
>> suppressed, and the person just does not belong to herself and has no
>> choice.
>
> She had a scar on her throat.

It's a sure sign of torture by the British authorities, cunningly
disguised as a tracheotomy scar.

And the way she was forced to thank the staff at the Salisbury Hospital
is nothing short of a disgrace.

So too, is the way she is being kept away from any contact with Russian
Embassy consular staff. No-one except MI5 knows where she is.

It's a complete disgrace all this freedom.

Do svidaniya and spasibo.
Phi
2018-05-23 22:29:12 UTC
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"Oleg Smirnov" <***@netc.eu> wrote in message
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> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN77GSVqZm0>
>
> "Yulia Skripal says her world has 'turned upside down'"
>
> She looks somewhere upwards and somewhat sideways. Her speech is
> "robotic", unnatural intonation. She uses phrasings native Russians don't
> use. Her eyes're empty. It looks like her will is totally suppressed, and
> the person just does not belong to herself and has no choice.

мир с тобой
Oleg Smirnov
2018-06-06 22:32:19 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/yae3kws8> medialens.org

.. Funded By The Foreign Office

04 JUNE 2018

.. the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) .. the FO just confirmed
to me that "the UK funded a project worth ?194,769.60 to provide the Syrian
Observatory for Human Rights with communications equipment and cameras."
That's quite a lot, isn't it? I love the precision of that 60p. Your taxes,
impartially, at work.'

Given the tinpot nature of the organisation, SOHR's influence is
astonishing:
'Cited by virtually every major news outlet since an uprising against
the iron rule of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad began in March, the
observatory has been a key source of news on the events in Syria.'

.. Nobody challenges SOHR's methodology, or complains of statistics being
thrown about with irresponsible abandon. .. Innumerable 'mainstream' reports
of atrocities blamed on Syrian government and Russian forces have used SOHR
as a key source. .. SOHR is omnipresent in the great Syrian atrocity claims
that have gripped our media for years. .. The power of these claims lies in
the fact that Western journalists have been unable to report from 'rebel'-
held areas in Syria. ..

Read more <http://tinyurl.com/yae3kws8>, there are many details and links.

...

The fact that the SOHR is one of the machinations designed by the English
scum for disinformation purposes is not surprising for anyone who's watching
the situation in Syria from various sources. The White Helmets hoax group is
also English fabrication of the kind. Only silly and well-brainwashed cattle
would believe these are 'activists' etc.

However, what is appropriate to notice with regard to the most recent Syria
events, the SOHR suddenly didn't report the ostensible chemical attack in E.
Ghouta.

As MoA wrote <http://tinyurl.com/y7zzedaj> at the time:

Interestingly the MI6 outlet in Coventry, .. SOHR .., does not confirm a
'gas' incident. In its version of events some 40 people died after their
shelter collapsed:
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights issued a higher death toll,
saying at least 80 people were killed in Douma, including around 40 who
died from suffocation. But it said the suffocations were the result of
shelters collapsing on people inside them.
Main stream media, which have quoted SOHR for years, now ignore it and
report of a 'chemical attack' as if it were a proven reality.

So, what does it mean? It would be naive to believe that the SOHR missed a
chance to proclaim one more 'atrocity' in favor of honest reporting. It's
much more likely, the SOHR man, being closer to the immediate disinformation
fabrication, understood well that - this time - such a chemical attack hoax
can and will be easily disproved (and the Russians had done it later).

The English still decided to push the hoax anyway. It can be realistically
explained only by their deep despair, that made them lose coherence. So they
desperately produced a chord - which included both the Skripals hoax and the
Douma chemical attack hoax - out of despair, since they finally lost 'their
own game' in Syria. After the enclave to the east of Damascus had been
liberated by the Syrian Army, the extremist militias are located in Idlib,
where Turkey is the puppetmaster, and in southern Syria, where Israel is the
puppetmaster. The small islanders still can participate in the SDF-held area
as an errand boy at the US, but it's not as much as they wanted.

The island establishment is rotten to the core, they are essentially like a
machinative criminal and fraudster that pretends to be a respectable citizen.
For some time they will be able to cheat their gullible domestic cattle and
some others. However, abuse of Skripals/Douma-like fabrications deplete the
resource of credibility, and it will inevitably be exhausted.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-06-08 11:47:52 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/y9w6za7y> thetimes.co.uk

President Trump has become annoyed with Theresa May over what has been
perceived as her stern tone in their discussions, it was claimed last night.
Allies of the US leader told The Daily Telegraph that she reminded him of
a "schoolmistress". He saw Mrs May's frequent calls to the White House as
overplaying her hand in pushing the so-called special relationship ..

...

"who the f#ck are you to lecture me" Trump edition

I understand the dotard, those hammy English may be a bit annoying, indeed.



> <http://tinyurl.com/yae3kws8>
>
> .. Funded By The Foreign Office
Oleg Smirnov
2018-06-10 13:51:51 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/ycae546w> independent.co.uk

<http://tinyurl.com/y7tnv7c6> sky.com

Trump has pointedly humiliated May. The Guardian seeks to downplay the
snub <http://clck.ru/DZnT2> in a smartass manner, and Theresa will likely
squeeze a smile out of her face. But it's visible. The desperate English
dream to put Russia 'in isolation' is unrealistic. I suggest to overthrow
your government instead.

Given the Trump's attitude, the situation is favorable, - you can start
street protests against the May regime right now, and they will likely meet
understanding and, maybe, support from the Trump administration.

I do not think Trump would abandon 'special relationship', but he likely
guesses who fabricated "steele dossier" and machinated agaist him in 2016,
and he would certainly prefer someone else in the island PM position.



> <http://tinyurl.com/y9w6za7y>
>
> President Trump has become annoyed with Theresa May ..
Byker
2018-06-10 19:11:24 UTC
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"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pfjag8$9uk$***@os.motzarella.org...
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/ycae546w> independent.co.uk
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/y7tnv7c6> sky.com
>
> Trump has pointedly humiliated May.

Tough bananas, Euros: https://tinyurl.com/y8njzy86

You too, Oleg...
Oleg Smirnov
2018-06-12 12:25:15 UTC
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The stench becomes more rotten.

<http://tinyurl.com/y7eca7fz> tagesschau.de (German mainstream)

Berlin continues to wait for evidence

07.06.2018

The federal government has so far received no evidence from London on the
case of Skripal. The German intelligence services have no knowledge that
Russia could be responsible for the poison attack.

To date, the federal government waits in vain ..
The Federal Government has been informed about the case this yesterday in a
secret parliamentary control committee of the Bundestag. So far only one
thing has learned that the poison was Nowitschok - a military chemical agent
which formula had been designed in the USSR.

Moreover, the British Government has so far presented nothing. Neither could
the British government prove that the poison used came from Russia, nor that
the Kremlin was responsible for the attack. German intelligence services
have also gained no knowledge from their own sources, which would allow such
a conclusion. ..

Other countries had the poison / That the poison was not only in Russia,
was known .. It has been known that the neurotoxin was exported from Russia
- at least to the west. In which hands it might still have come is unclear.
The behavior of the British government also increasingly brings the federal
government into demand for an explanation.

Beyond the fact that the poison was identified as Novichok, there's no trace
that leads to Russia, let alone to the Kremlin. The decision to take part in
the expulsion of Russian diplomats thus seems more than questionable.

<http://tinyurl.com/ychqqkug> piqd.de

.. The outraged reaction, in which also the Federal Government participated,
was controversial from the beginning. Because the British government had not
provided any evidence, even a slightest evidence, for their allegation that
Skripal had been poisoned by Russia or at least by connivance of the Russian
government. ..

Did Berlin let itself be led on the black ice? .. More and more people are
talking about this thesis. On the one hand, it has now become apparent that
not only Russia possessed Nowitschok, but western states as well. ..

.. the British have so far presented no evidence for their thesis ..

<http://tinyurl.com/y839oek5> zerohedge.com

.. German media reports that the German government has zero evidence from
the British authorities that could back London's claims that Moscow was
behind the poisoning of the Skripals .. More than three months since the
start of the probe .. the UK is still conspicuously tight-lipped when it
comes to any real evidence that could prove its accusations against Russia.

...

The English [government] scum are likely frantically trying to fabricate a
kind of 'evidence' right now. The English desperate demand for solidarity
from the US and Euros did not harm Russia in any tangible way (expulsion of
the diplomats etc is rather a symbolical thing), but it significantly
lowered the island's credibility. Next time your allies will think twice.

The English rejected the very legitimacy of the Russian state by accusing
the state and government as such, and issuing ridiculous 'ultimatum'. If it
was serious then it would mean a declaration of war. Instead, inconsistency
of form and content produced quite a comical effect. So, naturally, "Putin
smirked" etc. It made the stinkers even more hysterical and desperate.



> <http://tinyurl.com/y7tnv7c6>
>
> Trump has pointedly humiliated May.
Byker
2018-06-12 19:42:07 UTC
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"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pfoe3v$duq$***@os.motzarella.org...
>
> Beyond the fact that the poison was identified as Novichok, there's no
> trace that leads to Russia,

Oh? The Russkies invented it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent
Oleg Smirnov
2018-06-22 13:38:38 UTC
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<https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44542490>

Mr Fleming also referred to an increased threat from "aggressive foreign
powers" with "military provocation, cyber intrusion and disinformation to
impose their agendas".
He said the Russian government has shown its "blatant disregard for the
consequences of its actions" ..

...

The English scum are shoddy. The regime in your small island is in decline
somewhat similarly to the American one. They seek to keep the cattle in shape
though the claims like the above one.

Meanwhile, the island football supporters in Russia seem to feel comfortable.
Even the most filthiest of the filthy island outlets wrote something positive
the recent days. There are a few recent videos on Youtube where the visitors
from your shoddy island tell it turned out not so scary as they have been
told before the trip. I read some incoherent Russian-English conversations in
the comments, and have noticed that a part of the islanders seek to distance
themselves from the government.

"It seems like our government is trying to stop us meeting Russians", "my
GB government does not speak for me", even "we're ashamed of Theresa May
for her anti Russian comments".

There's a contradiction. If you consider yourselves 'advanced democracy' then
it suggests that each of you shares responsibility with your government scum.
Otherwise you wouldn't 'elect' it. However, if your government 'does not speak
for you' then you should recognize yourselves oppressed and forced to endure
a government that does not represent people. If you don't want to recognize
yourselves unfree and oppressed then you and your government are the same kind
of evil. You should choose one thing.



> The stench becomes more rotten.
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/y7eca7fz>
Norman Wells
2018-06-22 14:21:23 UTC
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On 22/06/2018 14:38, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> <https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44542490>

>  "It seems like our government is trying to stop us meeting Russians", "my
>  GB government does not speak for me", even "we're ashamed of Theresa May
>  for her anti Russian comments".

Have you been watching Russia Today again?

> There's a contradiction. If you consider yourselves 'advanced democracy'
> then it suggests that each of you shares responsibility with your government
> scum. Otherwise you wouldn't 'elect' it.

At least we have the choice.
Byker
2018-06-22 21:51:31 UTC
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"Norman Wells" wrote in message news:***@mid.individual.net...

On 22/06/2018 14:38, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>>
>> There's a contradiction. If you consider yourselves 'advanced democracy'
>> then it suggests that each of you shares responsibility with your
>> government scum. Otherwise you wouldn't 'elect' it.
>
> At least we have the choice.

Given Russia's large size, inhospitable terrain, lack of transportation
infrastructure, indefensible borders and a legacy of repeated invasions,
only an authoritarian strong man can maintain order and ensure that Russia
does not fly apart. Moscow's authoritarianism is an inevitable consequence
of Russian geography.

The average Russian, they argue, prefers the order of a Stalin/Putin-like
strong man to the more democratic free-wheeling chaos of late Russian
President Boris Yeltsin.

In trying to play what, in the long term, is an inherently weak hand, Putin
and his Kremlin cronies have traded a short-term advantage for a long-term
disadvantage and, in doing so are relegating Russia to what Leon Trotsky
called the "dustbin of history".
Oleg Smirnov
2018-06-22 22:54:33 UTC
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Silly English cattle Norman Wells, <news:***@mid.individual.net>
> On 22/06/2018 14:38, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

>> "It seems like our government is trying to stop us meeting Russians", "my
>> GB government does not speak for me", even "we're ashamed of Theresa May
>> for her anti Russian comments".
>
> Have you been watching Russia Today again?

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO5nTM2M3uE>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13w5zgRnjLA>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQlvRM2wF1E>

The latter link is where I picked up the cited phrases.

>> There's a contradiction. If you consider yourselves 'advanced democracy'
>> then it suggests that each of you shares responsibility with your
>> government scum. Otherwise you wouldn't 'elect' it.
>
> At least we have the choice.

You're deluded sheep.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-06-28 10:33:40 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/y9f74unr> bloomberg.com

U.K. Worries About What Trump Could Promise Putin

<http://tinyurl.com/y8acfys9> axios.com

The Polish senator and secretary of state Anna Maria Anders - a supporter
of President Trump - told me: "We are worried. Definitely worried," about
the Trump-Putin summit. "Because you can't predict what is going to be
said ... Putin can be extremely charming and it's a question of how our
president will react." (Yes, she referred to Trump as "our" president. ..

...

Indeed, Putin is a statesman and can be extremely charming, whereas the
English and Polish morons look increasingly petty, ridiculous and ugly.
The delusional English ones are an especially tragicomic embarrassment.
They have chosen to make Russia enemy by themselves, out of nothing, and
the island will likely have to deal with some consequences in the future.

I recommend the regular islanders to make a revolution.



> yawn
Byker
2018-06-29 00:21:57 UTC
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"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:ph2dok$s1q$***@os.motzarella.org...
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/y9f74unr> bloomberg.com
>
> U.K. Worries About What Trump Could Promise Putin

Putin worries about what Trump will promise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLq_6Mq4uo

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/27/opinions/trump-putin-summit-could-be-disaster/index.html
Oleg Smirnov
2018-06-29 13:40:51 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/y8hhj9ol> telegraph.co.uk

Russia urges British Royal family and politicians to attend World Cup ..

British government officials and the Royal family have been told that
they remain welcome to attend the World Cup in Russia following England's
qualification for the knockout phase. ..

...

'Have been told' by whom, namely, and how exactly 'Russia urges'?

Not that I would be against their presence, the island 'royal' mummers
might somehow enliven the environment and provide a comic relief, but so
far no one seemed to miss them there.
Norman Wells
2018-06-29 13:57:36 UTC
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On 29/06/2018 14:40, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> <http://tinyurl.com/y8hhj9ol> telegraph.co.uk
>
> Russia urges British Royal family and politicians to attend World Cup ..
>
> British government officials and the Royal family have been told that
> they remain welcome to attend the World Cup in Russia following
> England's qualification for the knockout phase. ..
>
> 'Have been told' by whom, namely,

"Alexey Sorokin, chief executive of the World Cup’s local organising
committee" apparently. Why don't you actually read the articles you
refer to?

> and how exactly 'Russia urges'?
>
> Not that I would be against their presence,

I'm sure they'll be much relieved to hear that. They'd be mortified to
think they might offend you.

> the island 'royal' mummers
> might somehow enliven the environment and provide a comic relief,

Well, quite.

> but so far no one seemed to miss them there.

Aren't they there then?
Oleg Smirnov
2018-06-29 14:08:19 UTC
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Silly English cattle Norman Wells, <news:***@mid.individual.net>
> On 29/06/2018 14:40, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

>> <http://tinyurl.com/y8hhj9ol> telegraph.co.uk
>>
>> Russia urges British Royal family and politicians to attend World Cup ..
>>
>> British government officials and the Royal family have been told that they
>> remain welcome to attend the World Cup in Russia following England's
>> qualification for the knockout phase. ..
>>
>> 'Have been told' by whom, namely,
>
> "Alexey Sorokin, chief executive of the World Cup’s local organising
> committee" apparently. Why don't you actually read the articles you refer
> to?

Do read it carefully yourself.

They've cited a third-tier official welcoming everyone, in general.

>> and how exactly 'Russia urges'?
>>
>> Not that I would be against their presence,
>
> I'm sure they'll be much relieved to hear that. They'd be mortified to
> think they might offend you.
>
>> the island 'royal' mummers might somehow enliven the environment and
>> provide a comic relief,
>
> Well, quite.
>
>> but so far no one seemed to miss them there.
>
> Aren't they there then?
Norman Wells
2018-06-29 15:21:02 UTC
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On 29/06/2018 15:08, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> Silly English cattle Norman Wells, <news:***@mid.individual.net>
>> On 29/06/2018 14:40, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
>>> <http://tinyurl.com/y8hhj9ol> telegraph.co.uk
>>>
>>> Russia urges British Royal family and politicians to attend World Cup ..
>>>
>>> British government officials and the Royal family have been told that
>>> they
>>> remain welcome to attend the World Cup in Russia following England's
>>> qualification for the knockout phase. ..
>>>
>>> 'Have been told' by whom, namely,
>>
>> "Alexey Sorokin, chief executive of the World Cup’s local organising
>> committee" apparently.  Why don't you actually read the articles you
>> refer
>> to?
>
> Do read it carefully yourself.
>
> They've cited a third-tier official welcoming everyone, in general.

You asked 'by whom?' I told you.

No need to get all precious about it.

Anyway, what's 'third tier'. Is there a ranking list somewhere that you
refer to?

And who is 'they' when he says "_they_ will be welcomed as any fans or
any football lovers"?
Oleg Smirnov
2018-06-29 16:38:29 UTC
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Silly English cattle Norman Wells, <news:***@mid.individual.net>
> On 29/06/2018 15:08, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> Silly English cattle Norman Wells, <news:***@mid.individual.net>
>>> On 29/06/2018 14:40, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>>
>>>> <http://tinyurl.com/y8hhj9ol> telegraph.co.uk
>>>>
>>>> Russia urges British Royal family and politicians to attend World Cup ..
>>>>
>>>> British government officials and the Royal family have been told that
>>>> they
>>>> remain welcome to attend the World Cup in Russia following England's
>>>> qualification for the knockout phase. ..
>>>>
>>>> 'Have been told' by whom, namely,
>>>
>>> "Alexey Sorokin, chief executive of the World Cup's local organising
>>> committee" apparently. Why don't you actually read the articles you
>>> refer
>>> to?
>>
>> Do read it carefully yourself.
>>
>> They've cited a third-tier official welcoming everyone, in general.
>
> You asked 'by whom?' I told you.
>
> No need to get all precious about it.
>
> Anyway, what's 'third tier'. Is there a ranking list somewhere that you
> refer to?
>
> And who is 'they' when he says "_they_ will be welcomed as any fans or
> any football lovers"?

The headline: "Russia urges British Royal family and politicians".

That's a deliberate misrepresentation, because (1) the low-rank official
is not 'Russia', and (2) he hasn't expressed a special invitation neither
for the clownish 'British Royal family' nor for 'British politicians'.

Your Telegraph minders seek to make you believe in a falsehood. Given
that 'Russia' - the popular majority, including the political class -
tends to consider your current ruling regime a low-grade clownery, 'she'
hardly would 'urge' the regime functionaries in a special respectful way.
Regular islanders are welcome as well as everybody else.
Norman Wells
2018-06-29 17:30:22 UTC
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On 29/06/2018 17:38, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> Silly English cattle Norman Wells, <news:***@mid.individual.net>
>> On 29/06/2018 15:08, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>>> Silly English cattle Norman Wells,
>>> <news:***@mid.individual.net>
>>>> On 29/06/2018 14:40, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>>>
>>>>> <http://tinyurl.com/y8hhj9ol> telegraph.co.uk
>>>>>
>>>>> Russia urges British Royal family and politicians to attend World
>>>>> Cup ..
>>>>>
>>>>> British government officials and the Royal family have been told
>>>>> that they
>>>>> remain welcome to attend the World Cup in Russia following England's
>>>>> qualification for the knockout phase. ..
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Have been told' by whom, namely,
>>>>
>>>> "Alexey Sorokin, chief executive of the World Cup's local organising
>>>> committee" apparently. Why don't you actually read the articles you
>>>> refer to?
>>>
>>> Do read it carefully yourself.
>>>
>>> They've cited a third-tier official welcoming everyone, in general.
>>
>> You asked 'by whom?'  I told you.
>>
>> No need to get all precious about it.
>>
>> Anyway, what's 'third tier'.  Is there a ranking list somewhere that
>> you refer to?
>>
>> And who is 'they' when he says "_they_ will be welcomed as any fans or
>> any football lovers"?
>
> The headline: "Russia urges British Royal family and politicians".
>
> That's a deliberate misrepresentation, because (1) the low-rank official
> is not 'Russia'

Where's the ranking list you must have consulted?

> and (2) he hasn't expressed a special invitation
> neither for the clownish 'British Royal family' nor for 'British
> politicians'.

Well, the article you refer to says 'official British visitors'. Who do
you think that means if not the British Royal family or British politicians?

> Your Telegraph minders seek to make you believe in a falsehood. Given
> that 'Russia' - the popular majority, including the political class -
> tends to consider your current ruling regime a low-grade clownery,

Well, we're allowed to hold that view too if we want, and many do. I
understand, however, if you do that in Russia, you tend to end up in
prison, or even dead. Each to his own.

> 'she'

No, he's definitely a 'he'. What makes you think he's changed sex?

> hardly would 'urge' the regime functionaries in a special respectful way.

It's a game. Russia would love the world cup to be endorsed by a few
distant cousins of the Tsars to remind them of a golden age. It would
give it some kudos and respectability and reflect well on Putin's
presidency, you see.

> Regular islanders are welcome as well as everybody else.

Never doubted it.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-06-29 18:53:01 UTC
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Silly English cattle Norman Wells, <news:***@mid.individual.net>
> On 29/06/2018 17:38, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

>>>>>> <http://tinyurl.com/y8hhj9ol> telegraph.co.uk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Russia urges British Royal family and politicians to attend World Cup
>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> British government officials and the Royal family have been told that
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> remain welcome to attend the World Cup in Russia following England's
>>>>>> qualification for the knockout phase. ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Have been told' by whom, namely,
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alexey Sorokin, chief executive of the World Cup's local organising
>>>>> committee" apparently. Why don't you actually read the articles you
>>>>> refer to?
>>>>
>>>> Do read it carefully yourself.
>>>>
>>>> They've cited a third-tier official welcoming everyone, in general.
>>>
>>> You asked 'by whom?' I told you.
>>>
>>> No need to get all precious about it.
>>>
>>> Anyway, what's 'third tier'. Is there a ranking list somewhere that you
>>> refer to?
>>>
>>> And who is 'they' when he says "_they_ will be welcomed as any fans or any
>>> football lovers"?
>>
>> The headline: "Russia urges British Royal family and politicians".
>>
>> That's a deliberate misrepresentation, because (1) the low-rank official is
>> not 'Russia'
>
> Where's the ranking list you must have consulted?
>
>> and (2) he hasn't expressed a special invitation neither for the clownish
>> 'British Royal family' nor for 'British politicians'.
>
> Well, the article you refer to says 'official British visitors'. Who do you
> think that means if not the British Royal family or British politicians?

It's not a direct speech, may be a creative interpretation, as usual,
or a insignificant diplomatic courtesy, it certainly not an 'urge', and
it's not what the headline proudly states.

>> Your Telegraph minders seek to make you believe in a falsehood. Given that
>> 'Russia' - the popular majority, including the political class - tends to
>> consider your current ruling regime a low-grade clownery, 'she'
>> hardly would 'urge' the regime functionaries in a special respectful way.
>
> It's a game. Russia would love the world cup to be endorsed by a few
> distant cousins of the Tsars to remind them of a golden age. It would give
> it some kudos and respectability and reflect well on Putin's presidency, you
> see.

You've been deluded. Most of the Russians today are not much interested
in those Tsars and even less in their 'cousins', if any. The 'royals' is
your domestic reality show, while to most of us they are clowns.

The situation is so that your regime oafs failed to prevent the flow of
fans to Russia, and now they face a prospect that the national team goes
higher and there're many fans there, while no national officials in the
stands. This is why they have to seek a pretext for visit. This is why
they seek to misinform the domestic cattle with the false narrative that
'Russia' somehow specially invites 'royal family' and 'politicians' etc to
come. Just one more pathetic machination.
Norman Wells
2018-06-29 20:47:20 UTC
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On 29/06/2018 19:53, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> Silly English cattle Norman Wells, <news:***@mid.individual.net>
>> On 29/06/2018 17:38, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
>>>>>>> <http://tinyurl.com/y8hhj9ol> telegraph.co.uk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Russia urges British Royal family and politicians to attend World
>>>>>>> Cup
>>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> British government officials and the Royal family have been told
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> remain welcome to attend the World Cup in Russia following England's
>>>>>>> qualification for the knockout phase. ..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Have been told' by whom, namely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alexey Sorokin, chief executive of the World Cup's local organising
>>>>>> committee" apparently. Why don't you actually read the articles you
>>>>>> refer to?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do read it carefully yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> They've cited a third-tier official welcoming everyone, in general.
>>>>
>>>> You asked 'by whom?' I told you.
>>>>
>>>> No need to get all precious about it.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, what's 'third tier'. Is there a ranking list somewhere that you
>>>> refer to?
>>>>
>>>> And who is 'they' when he says "_they_ will be welcomed as any fans
>>>> or any
>>>> football lovers"?
>>>
>>> The headline: "Russia urges British Royal family and politicians".
>>>
>>> That's a deliberate misrepresentation, because (1) the low-rank
>>> official is
>>> not 'Russia'
>>
>> Where's the ranking list you must have consulted?
>>
>>> and (2) he hasn't expressed a special invitation neither for the
>>> clownish
>>> 'British Royal family' nor for 'British politicians'.
>>
>> Well, the article you refer to says 'official British visitors'.  Who
>> do you
>> think that means if not the British Royal family or British politicians?
>
> It's not a direct speech, may be a creative interpretation, as usual,
> or a insignificant diplomatic courtesy, it certainly not an 'urge', and
> it's not what the headline proudly states.
>
>>> Your Telegraph minders seek to make you believe in a falsehood. Given
>>> that
>>> 'Russia' - the popular majority, including the political class -
>>> tends to
>>> consider your current ruling regime a low-grade clownery, 'she'
>>> hardly would 'urge' the regime functionaries in a special respectful
>>> way.
>>
>> It's a game.  Russia would love the world cup to be endorsed by a few
>> distant cousins of the Tsars to remind them of a golden age.  It would
>> give
>> it some kudos and respectability and reflect well on Putin's
>> presidency, you
>> see.
>
> You've been deluded. Most of the Russians today are not much interested
> in those Tsars and even less in their 'cousins',

Oh, come off it! The Hermitage is stuffed with their accoutrements, all
lovingly preserved and displayed. And there are all those summer and
winter palaces too which are huge attractions.

> if any. The 'royals' is
> your domestic reality show, while to most of us they are clowns.

We're free to think that and express it though. That's the difference.

> The situation is so that your regime oafs failed to prevent the flow of
> fans to Russia,

Did they try? Did they mean to?

How?

> and now they face a prospect that the national team goes
> higher and there're many fans there, while no national officials in the
> stands. This is why they have to seek a pretext for visit. This is why
> they seek to misinform the domestic cattle with the false narrative that
> 'Russia' somehow specially invites 'royal family' and 'politicians' etc to
> come. Just one more pathetic machination.

You think they intend to come anyway then?

Who's going to turn up do you think?
Oleg Smirnov
2018-06-29 21:09:35 UTC
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Silly English cattle Norman Wells, <news:***@mid.individual.net>
> On 29/06/2018 19:53, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

>>>>>>>> <http://tinyurl.com/y8hhj9ol> telegraph.co.uk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Russia urges British Royal family and politicians to attend World
>>>>>>>> Cup
>>>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> British government officials and the Royal family have been told
>>>>>>>> that they remain welcome to attend the World Cup in Russia following
>>>>>>>> England's qualification for the knockout phase. ..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Have been told' by whom, namely,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Alexey Sorokin, chief executive of the World Cup's local organising
>>>>>>> committee" apparently. Why don't you actually read the articles you
>>>>>>> refer to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do read it carefully yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They've cited a third-tier official welcoming everyone, in general.

>>>> The headline: "Russia urges British Royal family and politicians".
>>>>
>>>> That's a deliberate misrepresentation, because (1) the low-rank
>>>> official is not 'Russia'
>>>
>>> Where's the ranking list you must have consulted?
>>>
>>>> and (2) he hasn't expressed a special invitation neither for the
>>>> clownish 'British Royal family' nor for 'British politicians'.
>>>
>>> Well, the article you refer to says 'official British visitors'. Who
>>> do you
>>> think that means if not the British Royal family or British politicians?
>>
>> It's not a direct speech, may be a creative interpretation, as usual,
>> or a insignificant diplomatic courtesy, it certainly not an 'urge', and
>> it's not what the headline proudly states.
>>
>>>> Your Telegraph minders seek to make you believe in a falsehood. Given
>>>> that 'Russia' - the popular majority, including the political class -
>>>> tends to consider your current ruling regime a low-grade clownery,
>>>> 'she' hardly would 'urge' the regime functionaries in a special
>>>> respectful way.
>>>
>>> It's a game. Russia would love the world cup to be endorsed by a few
>>> distant cousins of the Tsars to remind them of a golden age. It would
>>> give it some kudos and respectability and reflect well on Putin's
>>> presidency, you see.
>>
>> You've been deluded. Most of the Russians today are not much interested
>> in those Tsars and even less in their 'cousins',
>
> Oh, come off it! The Hermitage is stuffed with their accoutrements,
> all lovingly preserved and displayed. And there are all those summer
> and winter palaces too which are huge attractions.
>
>> if any. The 'royals' is
>> your domestic reality show, while to most of us they are clowns.
>
> We're free to think that and express it though. That's the difference.

The difference is that your 'royals' is still an alive stuff, a kind
of sentimental-patriotic reality show for the plebs, while to us those
tsars are history and your current royals are [shoddy] clowns.

>> The situation is so that your regime oafs failed to prevent the flow of
>> fans to Russia,
>
> Did they try? Did they mean to?
>
> How?

LOL

Let it be your homework.

>> and now they face a prospect that the national team goes
>> higher and there're many fans there, while no national officials in the
>> stands. This is why they have to seek a pretext for visit. This is why
>> they seek to misinform the domestic cattle with the false narrative that
>> 'Russia' somehow specially invites 'royal family' and 'politicians' etc to
>> come. Just one more pathetic machination.
>
> You think they intend to come anyway then?
>
> Who's going to turn up do you think?
The Doctor
2018-06-29 14:34:14 UTC
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In article <***@mid.individual.net>,
Norman Wells <***@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
>On 29/06/2018 14:40, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> <http://tinyurl.com/y8hhj9ol> telegraph.co.uk
>>
>> Russia urges British Royal family and politicians to attend World Cup ..
>>
>> British government officials and the Royal family have been told that
>> they remain welcome to attend the World Cup in Russia following
>> England's qualification for the knockout phase. ..
>>
>> 'Have been told' by whom, namely,
>
>"Alexey Sorokin, chief executive of the World Cup’s local organising
>committee" apparently. Why don't you actually read the articles you
>refer to?
>
>> and how exactly 'Russia urges'?
>>
>> Not that I would be against their presence,
>
>I'm sure they'll be much relieved to hear that. They'd be mortified to
>think they might offend you.
>
>> the island 'royal' mummers
>> might somehow enliven the environment and provide a comic relief,
>
>Well, quite.
>
>> but so far no one seemed to miss them there.
>
>Aren't they there then?
>

Why? I would not trust the Russians.
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Oleg Smirnov
2018-07-01 10:24:26 UTC
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> <http://tinyurl.com/y8hhj9ol> telegraph.co.uk
>
> Russia urges British Royal family and politicians to attend World Cup ..

Several island outlets have issued it, it means an orchestrated campaign.

> British government officials and the Royal family have been told that
> they remain welcome to attend the World Cup in Russia following England's
> qualification for the knockout phase. ..
>
> ...
>
> 'Have been told' by whom, namely, and how exactly 'Russia urges'?
>
> Not that I would be against their presence, the island 'royal' mummers
> might somehow enliven the environment and provide a comic relief, but so
> far no one seemed to miss them there.

<http://tinyurl.com/y7sh5u7l> thelocal.se

The Swedish government has decided to end its diplomatic boycott of the
Russia World Cup now that Sweden have qualified for the knockout stage of
the tournament. .. After Sweden qualified for the knockout stage with a
3-0 win over Mexico however, the country's government has changed its mind.
"We're in another situation now. ..

...

The Swedes in similar situation are still more decent. They honestly speak
as it is and they don't try to invent falsehoods. The English can brainwash
their manipulable domestic populace and maybe some part of the '3rd world',
while to the Russians, most of the English 'subtle' machinations are pretty
visible and look disgusting.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-07-04 14:46:06 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/ya5zs8jr> theguardian.com

Russia renews World Cup invitation to Theresa May
Moscow tries to tempt PM to abandon her post-Salisbury boycott after
England's success

Russia has sent out a fresh invitation to Theresa May to lift her
ministerial boycott of the World Cup after England beat Colombia to
reach the quarter-finals.

...

I may be that the small islanders made a request, and the Russian
officials answered them that all previous invitations remain valid,
it would fit natural Russian style.

First "Putin's smirk" brought them into hysterical tantrum, and now
"Moscow tries to tempt" their clownish PM, the way the island media
manipulates over the plebs is both pathetic and seamy.



>> <http://tinyurl.com/y8hhj9ol> telegraph.co.uk
>>
>> Russia urges British Royal family and politicians to attend World Cup ..
>
> Several island outlets have issued it, it means an orchestrated campaign.
johnny-knowall
2018-07-04 15:35:08 UTC
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On 4 Jul 2018, Oleg Smirnov wrote
(in article <phimm0$9or$***@os.motzarella.org>):

> <http://tinyurl.com/ya5zs8jr> theguardian.com
>
> Russia renews World Cup invitation to Theresa May
> Moscow tries to tempt PM to abandon her post-Salisbury boycott after
> England's success
>
> Russia has sent out a fresh invitation to Theresa May to lift her
> ministerial boycott of the World Cup after England beat Colombia to
> reach the quarter-finals.
>
> ...
>
> I may be that the small islanders made a request, and the Russian
> officials answered them that all previous invitations remain valid,
> it would fit natural Russian style.
>
> First "Putin's smirk" brought them into hysterical tantrum, and now
> "Moscow tries to tempt" their clownish PM, the way the island media
> manipulates over the plebs is both pathetic and seamy.
>
> > > <http://tinyurl.com/y8hhj9ol> telegraph.co.uk
> > >
> > > Russia urges British Royal family and politicians to attend World Cup ..
> >
> > Several island outlets have issued it, it means an orchestrated campaign.

Although given the Snowden revelations a few years back, it became ironically
obvious that Britain is more of a police state than the old USSR. It is just
that in the Soviet era the population knew it.

In the UK today, the very people who say “don’t believe everything you
read in the press, or see online or on TV” when they don’t like a news
item; are the ones who do just that when a story fits their bigoted personal
agenda.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-07-04 17:04:54 UTC
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The official Russian embassy clarification.

<https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6578>

04.07.2018

Answer to media question regarding the invitation of British dignitaries to
the FIFA World Cup

Q: According to The Guardian, "Russia has sent out a fresh invitation to
Theresa May" to visit the World Cup despite the UK "ministerial boycott".
Can you confirm this?

A: No personal invitations for British political figures have been sent out
and, consequently, none has been revoked. As we know, the decision not to
attend the tournament on official level came from London. Moreover, there
were calls in Britain to boycott the World Cup, and the media painted a
bleak picture on Russia in the run-up to the event.

FIFA World Cup a festival of sports for the whole world. Despite what The
Guardian claims, we are not "trying to tempt" anyone in particular, but we'll
be glad to let everybody support their team. This also refers to Britain's
representatives - if UK dignitaries decide to come, they'll encounter the
same hospitality as the England players and supporters.

...

It essentially corresponds to what I have written before. I in no way am
affiliated with any Russian officials (and I don't seek to look so, because
my posts are impolite). It is simply a basic common sense.



>>> <http://tinyurl.com/y8hhj9ol> telegraph.co.uk
>>>
>>> Russia urges British Royal family and politicians to attend World Cup ..
>>
>> Several island outlets have issued it, it means an orchestrated campaign.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-07-04 18:38:11 UTC
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> The official Russian embassy clarification.
>
> <https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6578>

After the refutation, the Guardian has changed the text.

<http://tinyurl.com/ya5zs8jr> theguardian.com

Russia has playfully said Theresa May would be welcome to attend
England's World Cup quarter-final on Saturday, but Downing Street has
so far said the boycott by British ministers and members .."

What 'Russia' really said is that Russia doesn't give a shit neither about
Teresa May personally nor about other island 'dignitaries'. The Guardian's
know that they can manipulate over the island cattle any way they like, so
they double down in promotion of the false narrative that 'Russia' somehow
tries 'to lure' May to visit the world cup.

The Guardian is the most filthy and unashamed island outlet (I said before).



>>>> <http://tinyurl.com/y8hhj9ol> telegraph.co.uk
>>>>
>>>> Russia urges British Royal family and politicians to attend World Cup ..
>>>
>>> Several island outlets have issued it, it means an orchestrated campaign.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-06-29 22:30:10 UTC
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<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuaMR8d4xJo>

Mr Lavrov wisely explains things to a pushy broad.



> yawn
Oleg Smirnov
2018-07-01 09:25:07 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/ya7f93hm> thetimes.co.uk

'I am a Kremlin target - even in the Highlands'

<http://tinyurl.com/ybfx5m5p> dailyrecord.co.uk

Russian couple who feared execution by Putin hitmen reveal how they dodged
secret police to flee to Scotland / Alexander Shapovalov faces jail in
Russia on 'false' charges but he and his partner Regina Imamutdinova have
now started a new life in the Highlands. .. Now - after a sheriff refused
to send Shapovalov back to Russia to face trial - Regina has spoken of the
risks she took to keep their family together. .. She said: "It was the
biggest stress in my life. I was a few weeks pregnant .. The businessman
has claimed the charges are false and made against him on the orders of
Putin. ..

...

The morons, that wrote this sentimental story for the island populace, might
use some easy internet search and find many articles in the Russian mass
media about this 'businessman', - many different outlets covered his story,
including those that represent the Russia's 'liberals' and even 'anti-Putin
opposition'.

Shapovalov was appointed head of a state enterprise - a scientific centre -
in 2007, and his criminal story started about 2012. The first symptoms were
so that the scientific centre's business counterparts began to sue the
centre due to its non-payments. About the same time, the centre's staffers
began to address applications to the regional supervisory authorities due
to the fact that the payment of wages in the centre was delayed for several
months, they also pointed to various facts that seemed to them to be a
bold mismanagement or an intentional fraud. Because of all this, a criminal
investigation was launched against Shapovalov in 2013.

The investigation found a fraud and theft. Shapovalov and one his accomplice,
whom he appointed his deputy, deliberately led the enterprise to bankruptcy,
multiplied indebtednesses to counterparties while transferring out money to
shadowy accounts in Hong Kong. Shapovalov managed to escape when he was under
soft 'house arrest' at the time of investigation ('house arrest' in Russia
does not mean any secret police, it's implemented by regular police remotely,
through 'irremovable' electronic bracelet).

The scientific centre is a forming enterprise for a small settlement. As the
result of the Shapovalov's corruption, a damage was inflicted not only to the
enterprise and its employees, but also to all (few thousand) residents of the
settlement. Now all these people can read the above sentimental fiction about
'Putin hitmen' and 'a few weeks pregnant', - and find it disgusting.

Shapovalov was convicted of theft from the state budget, but given the nature
of his activities it may well be that he stole something from someone else as
well, and the latter one may now be angry and hungry for revenge. You collect
such a kind of people in your island, and some of them occasionally find their
selves dead. And then your regime officials rant nonsenses.

By the way, the ostensible photo, which your newspaper presents as Shapovalov
at a meeting with Putin (pointing finger in PDRK-like style), is, actually, a
photoshopped image. It's noticeable by its composition, and you can also use
Google reverse image search or eg TinEye to find that the DailyRecord website
is the only place where the image can be found. The fact the newspaper doesn't
hesitate to feed its audience with garbage like this, indicates the English
cattle are really that stupid.
Norman Wells
2018-07-01 10:05:56 UTC
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On 01/07/2018 10:25, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

> <http://tinyurl.com/ya7f93hm> thetimes.co.uk

> Shapovalov was convicted of theft from the state budget, but given the
> nature of his activities it may well be that he stole something from someone
> else as well, and the latter one may now be angry and hungry for revenge.

All it says is:

"A Russian fugitive who has evaded extradition from Scotland believes he
will be “harmed” for fleeing his country", and (it's presumably a quote
since it's in quotation marks) ‘I am a Kremlin target — even in the
Highlands’.

Are you saying he doesn't believe that, or just that he's wrong?

> You
> collect such a kind of people in your island, and some of them occasionally find
> theirselves dead.

Well, rather more than you might expect statistically. That's what
raises concerns, you see.

> And then your regime officials rant nonsenses.

Well, the Sunday Times is not of course 'regime officials', nor has it,
as far as I can see, ranted anything, let alone any nonsense. It's a
purely factual story in an independent newspaper, something which I
believe is a bit of a rarity in Russia and rather short-lived.

Our 'regime officials' do of course pay rather more attention to some
individual cases that fall outside the usual run of extra-judicial
executions of dissidents if the cause of death is something a bit
special and interesting, like a Novichok.

You can't blame them for that surely?
Oleg Smirnov
2018-07-01 10:43:35 UTC
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Silly English cattle Norman Wells, <news:***@mid.individual.net>
> On 01/07/2018 10:25, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

>> <http://tinyurl.com/ya7f93hm> thetimes.co.uk
>
>> Shapovalov was convicted of theft from the state budget, but given the
>> nature of his activities it may well be that he stole something from
>> someone else as well, and the latter one may now be angry and hungry for
>> revenge.
>
> All it says is:
>
> "A Russian fugitive who has evaded extradition from Scotland believes he
> will be "harmed" for fleeing his country", and (it's presumably a quote
> since it's in quotation marks) 'I am a Kremlin target - even in the
> Highlands'.
>
> Are you saying he doesn't believe that, or just that he's wrong?

He's a proven thief that has got an asylum. He believes the islanders
are silly and ignorant enough to believe the Kremlin 'targets' him due
to political reasons. And his belief is realistic - they are so.

>> You collect such a kind of people in your island, and some of them
>> occasionally find theirselves dead.
>
> Well, rather more than you might expect statistically. That's what raises
> concerns, you see.
>
>> And then your regime officials rant nonsenses.
>
> Well, the Sunday Times is not of course 'regime officials', nor has it, as
> far as I can see, ranted anything, let alone any nonsense. It's a purely
> factual story in an independent newspaper, something which I believe is a
> bit of a rarity in Russia and rather short-lived.

You're deluded sheep, and your beliefs are very ignorant and naive.

The dailyrecord's story - is in no way factual. I haven't read Sunday
Times's text in full due to the paywall, but I know well their style.
It makes me believe their story is not factual as well.
Norman Wells
2018-07-01 12:55:51 UTC
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On 01/07/2018 11:43, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> Silly English cattle Norman Wells, <news:***@mid.individual.net>
>> On 01/07/2018 10:25, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
>>> <http://tinyurl.com/ya7f93hm> thetimes.co.uk
>>
>>> Shapovalov was convicted of theft from the state budget, but given
>>> the nature of his activities it may well be that he stole something
>>> from someone else as well, and the latter one may now be angry and
>>> hungry for revenge.
>>
>> All it says is:
>>
>> "A Russian fugitive who has evaded extradition from Scotland believes
>> he will be "harmed" for fleeing his country", and (it's presumably a
>> quote since it's in quotation marks) 'I am a Kremlin target - even in
>> the Highlands'.
>>
>> Are you saying he doesn't believe that, or just that he's wrong?
>
> He's a proven thief that has got an asylum. He believes the islanders
> are silly and ignorant enough to believe the Kremlin 'targets' him due
> to political reasons. And his belief is realistic - they are so.

He didn't say that's what he believes we believe though, did he? he
said nothing about the Great British public, only about the Kremlin
targetting him. That's what *he* believes.

>>> You collect such a kind of people in your island, and some of them
>>> occasionally find theirselves dead.
>>
>> Well, rather more than you might expect statistically.  That's what
>> raises concerns, you see.
>>
>>> And then your regime officials rant nonsenses.
>>
>> Well, the Sunday Times is not of course 'regime officials', nor has
>> it, as far as I can see, ranted anything, let alone any nonsense.
>> It's a purely factual story in an independent newspaper, something
>> which I believe is a bit of a rarity in Russia and rather short-lived.
>
> You're deluded sheep, and your beliefs are very ignorant and naive.

Yes, of course we are and they are. We only follow, we cannot lead.
That is not for us, but our betters and superiors. We know independent
thought is dangerous and futile, so we don't do it. We believe what we
read in the Press, and everything the government says. We're grateful
that the two coincide, so there's no doubt at all about what is the
truth. It's all very satisfactorily and comfortably totalitarian here.

Just as long as the supplies of vodka don't dry up.

> The dailyrecord's story - is in no way factual. I haven't read Sunday
> Times's text in full due to the paywall, but I know well their style.
> It makes me believe their story is not factual as well.

Where would we be without our fearlessly lying Press, eh?
johnny-knowall
2018-07-01 13:30:39 UTC
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On 1 Jul 2018, Norman Wells wrote
(in article <***@mid.individual.net>):

> On 01/07/2018 11:43, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> > Silly English cattle Norman Wells,<news:***@mid.individual.net>
> > > On 01/07/2018 10:25, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> >
> > > > <http://tinyurl.com/ya7f93hm> thetimes.co.uk
> > >
> > > > Shapovalov was convicted of theft from the state budget, but given
> > > > the nature of his activities it may well be that he stole something
> > > > from someone else as well, and the latter one may now be angry and
> > > > hungry for revenge.
> > >
> > > All it says is:
> > >
> > > "A Russian fugitive who has evaded extradition from Scotland believes
> > > he will be "harmed" for fleeing his country", and (it's presumably a
> > > quote since it's in quotation marks) 'I am a Kremlin target - even in
> > > the Highlands'.
> > >
> > > Are you saying he doesn't believe that, or just that he's wrong?
> >
> > He's a proven thief that has got an asylum. He believes the islanders
> > are silly and ignorant enough to believe the Kremlin 'targets' him due
> > to political reasons. And his belief is realistic - they are so.
>
> He didn't say that's what he believes we believe though, did he? he
> said nothing about the Great British public, only about the Kremlin
> targetting him. That's what *he* believes.
>
> > > > You collect such a kind of people in your island, and some of them
> > > > occasionally find theirselves dead.
> > >
> > > Well, rather more than you might expect statistically. That's what
> > > raises concerns, you see.
> > >
> > > > And then your regime officials rant nonsenses.
> > >
> > > Well, the Sunday Times is not of course 'regime officials', nor has
> > > it, as far as I can see, ranted anything, let alone any nonsense.
> > > It's a purely factual story in an independent newspaper, something
> > > which I believe is a bit of a rarity in Russia and rather short-lived.
> >
> > You're deluded sheep, and your beliefs are very ignorant and naive.
>
> Yes, of course we are and they are. We only follow, we cannot lead.
> That is not for us, but our betters and superiors.

How many are there in the Ultra-Extreme-Apathy-Club?

Are you the chairman?

> We know independent
> thought is dangerous and futile, so we don't do it. We believe what we
> read in the Press, and everything the government says. We're grateful
> that the two coincide, so there's no doubt at all about what is the
> truth. It's all very satisfactorily and comfortably totalitarian here.
>
> Just as long as the supplies of vodka don't dry up.
>
> > The dailyrecord's story - is in no way factual. I haven't read Sunday
> > Times's text in full due to the paywall, but I know well their style.
> > It makes me believe their story is not factual as well.
>
> Where would we be without our fearlessly lying Press, eh?
Oleg Smirnov
2018-07-05 09:15:57 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/y9h5n8wl> theguardian.com

.. Bad news for the rest of us

When Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin meet in Helsinki on 16 July, there will
only be one winner: it will be the guy who likes to be pictured shirtless
riding horses in Siberia, not the one who trundles around a golf course in a
cart. The biggest losers, of course, will be the rest of us, as the future
prospects for international peace and prosperity take another nosedive. ..

No wonder the US's European allies are bracing themselves for another
assault on the postwar settlement they are desperately trying to salvage:
the continent's security architecture ..

...

If the Euromorons were really so desperately concerned about the continent's
security architecture, then they would avoid supporting the unlawful, violent
anti-democratic 'regime change' in the Ukraine.

Trump is a lame duck because of the Deep State's grip, but he is not a fool,
and the fact that he humiliated May still does not mean a 'betrayal', he just
prefers the English don't try to influence the US policymaking too much.

The extreme despair and fear, with which the island estanblishment awaits the
Putin-Trump meeting, suggests that they may once again, in their usual way,
resort to 'subtle' machinations and fabrications intended to disrupt it.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-07-05 10:40:25 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/y7vu7he9> consortiumnews.com

Elite British Consensus

For Britain's elite, riven apart by Brexit and increasingly unsure of the
hold it has over the loyalty of the British population, hostility to Russia
has become the one issue it can unite around. As a result hostility to Russia
is now serving an essential integrating role within Britain's elite, binding
it together at a time when tensions over Brexit risk tearing it apart. ..

Intolerance of Dissent Construed as a "Threat from Russia"
In this heavy atmosphere anyone in Britain who disagrees risks being branded
either a traitor or a fool. / Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader ..

Read more <http://tinyurl.com/y7vu7he9>

Russophobia Undermining British Democracy

The result of this intolerance is a sharp contraction in the freedom of
Britain's public space, with those who disagree on British policy towards
Russia increasingly afraid to speak out.

Since establishment opinion in Britain conceives of itself as defending
liberal democracy from attack by Russia, and since establishment opinion
increasingly conflates liberal democracy with its own opinions, it follows
that in its conception any challenge to its opinions is an attack on liberal
democracy, and must therefore be the work of Russia.

This paranoid view has now become pervasive. No part of the traditional
media is free of it. It has gained a strong hold on the BBC and it is fair
to say that all the big newspapers subscribe to it. Anyone who does not has
no future in British journalism.
This is disturbing in itself, but as with all forms of institutional
paranoia, it is also having a damaging effect on the functioning of Britain's
institutions.

Amid Growing Influence of Intelligence
One obvious way in which this manifests itself is in the extraordinary growth
in both the visibility and influence of Britain's intelligence services. ..

Read more <http://tinyurl.com/y7vu7he9>

Britain Becoming Marginalised

If the result of the British establishment's paranoia about Russia is deeply
corrosive within Britain itself, its effect on British foreign policy has
been entirely negative. ..

Poisoning the International Atmosphere

The British establishment is in fact making the fundamental mistake of
thinking that other countries not only share their obsession with Russia, but
that they necessarily value their relations with Britain more than with
Russia. / This is a strange view ..
.. The most damage has been done in the U.S.

Britain and Russia-gate

The full extent of the British role in the Russiagate scandal is not yet
clear, but there is no doubt that it was both extensive and crucial. ..
The Steele dossier is in fact very much of a piece with the paranoid
conception of Russia which has taken hold in Britain, though .. the dossier's
description of how government decisions are made in Russia is absurd. ..

Read more <http://tinyurl.com/y7vu7he9>

Campaigning against Russia

Russia-gate is in fact only the most extreme example of the way that
Britain's anti-Russian obsession has damaged the international environment,
though because of the effect it has had on the development of domestic
politics in the United States it is the most important.
There have been countless others. ..
Beyond the effect on the international climate of the constant anti-Russian
lobbying of the British government, there is the further effect of the
ceaseless drumbeat of anti-Russian agitation which pours out of the British
media and various British-based organisations and NGO. ..

The Price of an Obsession

The British establishment's obsession with Russia is something of a puzzle ..
In Britain's case the obsession is not only corrupting Britain's domestic
politics and the working of its institutions. It is also marginalising
Britain, limiting its options, and causing growing exasperation amongst some
of its friends. In addition it blinds the British to their opportunities. ..

...

Worth a long read it in full.

I myself noted before that "British establishment's obsession with Russia"
can not be explained in a rational way, it's an infernal cultist thing, and
their delusional zeal makes it even more caricature and ridiculous.

I recommend the islanders to make a revolution against the regime.



> yawn
Oleg Smirnov
2018-07-05 12:46:47 UTC
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<https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44727191>

Russia 'must explain nerve agent poisoning'
Home Secretary Sajid Javid has called on Russia to explain the Novichok
poisoning after two people were exposed to it in Wiltshire. ..
"It is now time that the Russian state comes forward and explains exactly
what has gone on."

...

Russia is not responsible for the things that happen in the small island
that is a sovereign state which governance Russia has nothing to do with,
and thus Russia isn't obliged to explain anything to the shoddy clowns.



> yawn
Oleg Smirnov
2018-07-06 09:54:37 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/ybehuhfb> independent.co.uk

Novichok inventor on Amesbury poisoning: .. 'This was a state-level hit
... You really couldn't think of a more serious act of terrorism' ..
Vladimir Uglev, who worked on the substances for 15 years ..

...

Uglev has given many interviews in Russia, and here's what he said before.

<http://tinyurl.com/y756u37t>
There is no any antidote for these poisons. With a probability of
close to 100%, I can say that as soon as the Skripals are disconnected
from life support systems, they will immediately die. In fact, they
are already not quite alive.

This is how he explained the fact why the OPCW had ignored 'Novichok'.

There was practically no production of these substances in the USSR.
The OPCW simply ignored our, together with Mirzayanov, appeal in 1993
on the availability of these new chemical warfare agents.

He also said that the 'Novichok' class of substances had basically been
developed in 1972, so in 1993 "it already was a secret of 20 years of age".
He said so suggesting that other states' intels might well know it already
at the time. Later from the German news it became known that in the 1990s
these substances were certainly handed to the NATO states.

It was also known, that in the 1990s, during the post-Soviet turmoil and
misery, some of the former developers sold samples of the 'Novichok' class
substances to random people, including ones close to criminal communities.

The delusional clowns in the island government blame the Russia's state as
such and issue bold demands. Their stance makes any sane communication
impossible, because the Kremlin will hardly accept such manners. From the
Kremlin's perspective it likely (I can guess only) looks like an incoherent
wayward child's tantrum. If the English (maybe, one day) come to senses and
provide samples then the Russians might use their knowledge with regard to
'Novichok' to help the investigation.



> yawn
Handsome Jack
2018-07-06 10:26:23 UTC
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Oleg Smirnov <***@netc.eu> posted
>The delusional clowns in the island government blame the Russia's state as
>such and issue bold demands. Their stance makes any sane communication
>impossible, because the Kremlin will hardly accept such manners. From the
>Kremlin's perspective it likely (I can guess only) looks like an incoherent
>wayward child's tantrum. If the English (maybe, one day) come to senses and
>provide samples then the Russians might use their knowledge with regard to
>'Novichok' to help the investigation.
>

Also there are so many unanswered questions about the UK authorities'
theory of events. How did they identify the cause of the patients'
illness so quickly, while immediately dismissing an OD? How did this
postulated "vial" come to be at Amesbury when the Skripal event was
miles away in Salisbury? Is it really likely that a Russian agent had a
spare jar of it and just chucked it on the ground somewhere for a couple
of junkies to pick up? Has the intervening three months (which included
snow, rain and high temperatures) not had any degrading effect on the
alleged poison? I can think of many more objections but these will do
for now.

--
Jack
Norman Wells
2018-07-06 10:51:58 UTC
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On 06/07/2018 11:26, Handsome Jack wrote:
> Oleg Smirnov <***@netc.eu> posted
>> The delusional clowns in the island government blame the Russia's
>> state as
>> such and issue bold demands. Their stance makes any sane communication
>> impossible, because the Kremlin will hardly accept such manners. From the
>> Kremlin's perspective it likely (I can guess only) looks like an
>> incoherent
>> wayward child's tantrum. If the English (maybe, one day) come to
>> senses and
>> provide samples then the Russians might use their knowledge with
>> regard to
>> 'Novichok' to help the investigation.
>>
>
> Also there are so many unanswered questions about the UK authorities'
> theory of events.

Of course there are many unanswered questions. It's early days and
there's an investigation that's ongoing.

And any 'theory' is just that, a theory, a plausible explanation
currently without positive proof.

> How did they identify the cause of the patients'
> illness so quickly, while immediately dismissing an OD?

Familiarity with the symptoms and presentation of course, like all
skilled medical diagnoses.

> How did this
> postulated "vial" come to be at Amesbury when the Skripal event was
> miles away in Salisbury?

We don't know that it was a 'vial', nor do we know where it was. People
do move around, you know, which is why it's important to trace their
movements as far as possible. And that's somewhat difficult if they're
in intensive care.

> Is it really likely that a Russian agent had a
> spare jar of it and just chucked it on the ground somewhere for a couple
> of junkies to pick up?

It's pretty likely that they had contaminated items. If not, how did
they apply it to whatever the Skripals came into contact with?

> Has the intervening three months (which included
> snow, rain and high temperatures) not had any degrading effect on the
> alleged poison?

Knowledge of the properties of these poisons indicates that they would
indeed be degraded if left open to the weather. That's why the 'theory'
is that it or something contaminated with it must have been in a sealed
container. Isn't that what you'd do with something incredibly dangerous
that you didn't want to kill you?

> I can think of many more objections but these will do
> for now.

Are they objections still or just inevitable uncertainties?
Handsome Jack
2018-07-06 16:08:00 UTC
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Norman Wells <***@unseen.ac.am> posted
>On 06/07/2018 11:26, Handsome Jack wrote:
>> Oleg Smirnov <***@netc.eu> posted
>>> The delusional clowns in the island government blame the Russia's
>>>state as
>>> such and issue bold demands. Their stance makes any sane communication
>>> impossible, because the Kremlin will hardly accept such manners. From the
>>> Kremlin's perspective it likely (I can guess only) looks like an
>>>incoherent
>>> wayward child's tantrum. If the English (maybe, one day) come to
>>>senses and
>>> provide samples then the Russians might use their knowledge with
>>>regard to
>>> 'Novichok' to help the investigation.
>>>
>> Also there are so many unanswered questions about the UK
>>authorities' theory of events.
>
>Of course there are many unanswered questions. It's early days and
>there's an investigation that's ongoing.

So why have they blamed the Russian government already?

>
>And any 'theory' is just that, a theory, a plausible explanation
>currently without positive proof.

But their explanation is not plausible because of all the
inconsistencies I point out below, and several others.

>> How did they identify the cause of the patients' illness so quickly,
>>while immediately dismissing an OD?
>
>Familiarity with the symptoms and presentation of course, like all
>skilled medical diagnoses.

How many doctors are so familiar with the symptoms of nerve gas
poisoning that they can identify it within hours? Are the couple's
symptoms really that specific that the cause could be identified as
Novichok?

>> How did this postulated "vial" come to be at Amesbury when the
>>Skripal event was miles away in Salisbury?
>
>We don't know that it was a 'vial',

Quite. That's yet another thing they don't know.

>nor do we know where it was.

Wherever it was, how did it come to be there, miles from Salisbury? The
couple were taken ill in Amesbury and it is there that the police are
investigating, not Salisbury.

> People do move around, you know,

People like unemployed heroin addicts? They go to Salisbury on a
business trip, get accidentally poisoned with nerve agent, travel safely
back to Amesbury and then collapse?

>which is why it's important to trace their movements as far as
>possible. And that's somewhat difficult if they're in intensive care.
>
>> Is it really likely that a Russian agent had a spare jar of it and
>>just chucked it on the ground somewhere for a couple of junkies to
>>pick up?
>
>It's pretty likely that they had contaminated items. If not, how did
>they apply it to whatever the Skripals came into contact with?

And then they took it to Amesbury and threw it on the ground?

>> Has the intervening three months (which included snow, rain and high
>>temperatures) not had any degrading effect on the alleged poison?
>
>Knowledge of the properties of these poisons indicates that they would
>indeed be degraded if left open to the weather. That's why the
>'theory' is that it or something contaminated with it must have been in
>a sealed container.

In which case how did it poison the Amesbury couple?

Maybe they found a sealed stainless steel container marked with a skull
and crossbones and "DEADLY NERVE GAS", smashed the top off, said, "Nah
that's not nerve gas love, that's White Lightning", and took a swig?


--
Jack
Norman Wells
2018-07-06 16:38:36 UTC
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On 06/07/2018 17:08, Handsome Jack wrote:
> Norman Wells <***@unseen.ac.am> posted
>> On 06/07/2018 11:26, Handsome Jack wrote:
>>> Oleg Smirnov <***@netc.eu> posted
>>>> The delusional clowns in the island government blame the Russia's
>>>> state as
>>>> such and issue bold demands. Their stance makes any sane communication
>>>> impossible, because the Kremlin will hardly accept such manners.
>>>> From the
>>>> Kremlin's perspective it likely (I can guess only) looks like an
>>>> incoherent
>>>> wayward child's tantrum. If the English (maybe, one day) come to
>>>> senses and
>>>> provide samples then the Russians might use their knowledge with
>>>> regard to
>>>> 'Novichok' to help the investigation.
>>>>
>>>  Also there are so many unanswered questions about the UK
>>> authorities'  theory of events.
>>
>> Of course there are many unanswered questions.  It's early days and
>> there's an investigation that's ongoing.
>
> So why have they blamed the Russian government already?

I don't think they have. If they have, however, it is not for a direct
attack on the couple but because it is clear it is a further consequence
of the attack on the Skripals. It's the same Novichok.

>> And any 'theory' is just that, a theory, a plausible explanation
>> currently without positive proof.
>
> But their explanation is not plausible because of all the
> inconsistencies I point out below, and several others.

No, it's perfectly plausible. Do you have any alternative theory?

>>> How did they identify the cause of the patients'  illness so quickly,
>>> while immediately dismissing an OD?
>>
>> Familiarity with the symptoms and presentation of course, like all
>> skilled medical diagnoses.
>
> How many doctors are so familiar with the symptoms of nerve gas
> poisoning that they can identify it within hours?

Enough at Salisbury General where the couple are in intensive care. You
see, they've seen it all before, haven't they?

> Are the couple's
> symptoms really that specific that the cause could be identified as
> Novichok?

Pretty much, yes. Besides, it's been confirmed by Porton Down.

>>> How did this  postulated "vial" come to be at Amesbury when the
>>> Skripal event was  miles away in Salisbury?
>>
>> We don't know that it was a 'vial',
>
> Quite. That's yet another thing they don't know.

The actual nature of what they obviously handled isn't important for the
diagnosis, though it may be important evidence later as to who may be
responsible.

>> nor do we know where it was.
>
> Wherever it was, how did it come to be there, miles from Salisbury? The
> couple were taken ill in Amesbury and it is there that the police are
> investigating, not Salisbury.

Not true. You need to read the reports before you pontificate. The
couple were believed to have visited the Queen Elizabeth Gardens in
Salisbury before falling ill, which are now cordoned off.

People do move around, you know.

>> People do move around, you know,
>
> People like unemployed heroin addicts? They go to Salisbury on a
> business trip, get accidentally poisoned with nerve agent, travel safely
> back to Amesbury and then collapse?

Possibly. It's part of what is being investigated. It certainly can't
be eliminated.

>> which is why it's important to trace their movements as far as
>> possible.  And that's somewhat difficult if they're in intensive care.
>>
>>> Is it really likely that a Russian agent had a  spare jar of it and
>>> just chucked it on the ground somewhere for a couple  of junkies to
>>> pick up?
>>
>> It's pretty likely that they had contaminated items.  If not, how did
>> they apply it to whatever the Skripals came into contact with?
>
> And then they took it to Amesbury and threw it on the ground?

Who knows? Everything's got to be somewhere.

>>> Has the intervening three months (which included  snow, rain and high
>>> temperatures) not had any degrading effect on the  alleged poison?
>>
>> Knowledge of the properties of these poisons indicates that they would
>> indeed be degraded if left open to the weather.  That's why the
>> 'theory' is that it or something contaminated with it must have been
>> in a sealed container.
>
> In which case how did it poison the Amesbury couple?
>
> Maybe they found a sealed stainless steel container marked with a skull
> and crossbones and "DEADLY NERVE GAS", smashed the top off, said, "Nah
> that's not nerve gas love, that's White Lightning", and took a swig?

Forget the dramatics. Maybe they just found a container and picked it up.
The Todal
2018-07-06 17:06:26 UTC
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On 06/07/2018 17:38, Norman Wells wrote:
> On 06/07/2018 17:08, Handsome Jack wrote:

>>
>> Maybe they found a sealed stainless steel container marked with a
>> skull and crossbones and "DEADLY NERVE GAS", smashed the top off,
>> said, "Nah that's not nerve gas love, that's White Lightning", and
>> took a swig?
>
> Forget the dramatics.  Maybe they just found a container and picked it up.

They were, unfortunately, users of recreational drugs. They may have
found something in a polythene envelope that resembled a drug that they
had used in the past - cocaine, heroin - and they may have assumed it
had been abandoned by another user. They may then have sniffed it or
tasted it. But that's obviously no more than speculation.
The Todal
2018-07-06 11:05:11 UTC
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On 06/07/2018 11:26, Handsome Jack wrote:
> Oleg Smirnov <***@netc.eu> posted
>> The delusional clowns in the island government blame the Russia's
>> state as
>> such and issue bold demands. Their stance makes any sane communication
>> impossible, because the Kremlin will hardly accept such manners. From the
>> Kremlin's perspective it likely (I can guess only) looks like an
>> incoherent
>> wayward child's tantrum. If the English (maybe, one day) come to
>> senses and
>> provide samples then the Russians might use their knowledge with
>> regard to
>> 'Novichok' to help the investigation.
>>
>
> Also there are so many unanswered questions about the UK authorities'
> theory of events.


There are lots of unanswered questions, for sure.


> How did they identify the cause of the patients'
> illness so quickly, while immediately dismissing an OD?


The same thing happened with the Skripals - first, an assumption that
they had overdosed on recreational drugs such as Fentanyl, then after
experts had considered the symptoms and taken advice, a realisation that
it was a nerve agent subsequently identified as novichok.

We could of course make the assumption that there was no novichok,
merely some unusual recreational drug - new recreational drugs are
regularly appearing on the black market. And that the British experts at
Porton Down have blundered. Or that for some odd reason the British
government wanted to pick a fight with the school bully, Russia.

But I don't think we can expect the scientists at Porton Down to give a
powerpoint lecture to the British public.



How did this
> postulated "vial" come to be at Amesbury when the Skripal event was
> miles away in Salisbury? Is it really likely that a Russian agent had a
> spare jar of it and just chucked it on the ground somewhere for a couple
> of junkies to pick up? Has the intervening three months (which included
> snow, rain and high temperatures) not had any degrading effect on the
> alleged poison? I can think of many more objections but these will do
> for now.
>

If you take Litvinenko as an example, the fuckwit Russian agents chose
to pour the surplus polonium-210 down the sink in their hotel bedrooms.
They obviously didn't care whether hotel employees or members of the
public might be exposed to a dangerous poison.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-07-16 14:14:24 UTC
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<https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-44838245>

World Cup 2018: Thank you Russia for the memories

...

Fuck you small island for the stinking.

Russia doesn't give a shit about brexit-schmexit and your other petty domestic
issues. Sort out yout shit by yourselves, stinkers. Do not try to use Russia as
a tool for your domestic and international machinations.



> yawn
The Todal
2018-07-16 14:40:48 UTC
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On 16/07/2018 15:14, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> <https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-44838245>
>
> World Cup 2018: Thank you Russia for the memories


Those novichok memories just keep giving, and giving.


>
> Fuck you small island for the stinking.

Some of your victims may have started to decompose by now, it's true.

>
> Russia doesn't give a shit about brexit-schmexit and your other petty
> domestic
> issues. Sort out yout shit by yourselves, stinkers. Do not try to use
> Russia as
> a tool for your domestic and international machinations.


Are you speaking on behalf of Putin now, or Trump? Trump is one of your
sleeper agents, we know.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-07-17 09:58:21 UTC
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<https://sptnkne.ws/jbKp>

Make Britain Great Again: Ex-FM Boris Johnson Delivers .. Talk ..

.. In his article Mr. Johnson chose to focus on the concept of 'Global
Britain' and argue it should be championed by the UK, reaching out to the
Gulf countries, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and China. ..

...

So it looks like the delusional shoddy island strategists made a special
bid for the dictatorships of the Persian Gulf, keeping a wet dream that
it would be a post-Brexit move towards "Make Britain Great Again" to
turn Syria into a Libya-like mess and start managing the Syrian oil etc
in cooperation with the Gulfies. So the machinations with the extremists
in Syria was a part of this delusional MBGA strategy. By supporting the
legitimate Syrian government, Russia had largely undermined the unethical
and unrealistic English plans. So it might be where the 'chemical' East
Ghouta and Skripals likely came from, as I guessed before.
Norman Wells
2018-07-17 11:30:33 UTC
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On 17/07/2018 10:58, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> <https://sptnkne.ws/jbKp>
>
> Make Britain Great Again: Ex-FM Boris Johnson Delivers .. Talk ..
>
> .. In his article Mr. Johnson chose to focus on the concept of 'Global
> Britain' and argue it should be championed by the UK, reaching out to
> the Gulf countries, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and
> China. ..
>
> ...
>
> So it looks like the delusional shoddy island strategists made a special
> bid for the dictatorships of the Persian Gulf, keeping a wet dream that
> it would be a post-Brexit move towards "Make Britain Great Again" to
> turn Syria into a Libya-like mess and start managing the Syrian oil etc
> in cooperation with the Gulfies. So the machinations with the extremists
> in Syria was a part of this delusional MBGA strategy. By supporting the
> legitimate Syrian government

Er, 'dictatorship' surely? The sort you decry.

> Russia had largely undermined the unethical
> and unrealistic English plans. So it might be where the 'chemical' East
> Ghouta and Skripals likely came from, as I guessed before.

Can you put that in English please?
Oleg Smirnov
2018-07-25 15:01:20 UTC
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Boris Berezovsky's daughter has recently given an interview to a Ukrainian
(pro-coup) outlet <http://tinyurl.com/y7pwvvto>. It's a large bulk of text
overbloated with 'sentimental' personal memories and bullshit reflections.
There're some piquant things with regard to the death of her father though.
She did not make unequivocal suggestions about who might be responsible for
his death, if it was not a suicide. However, she has claimed firmly that
the British investigators sabotaged the investigation, and made things up in
favor of suicide version. She says that she, on her own, managed to involve
a reputable prominent German expert in the investigation, who confidently
rejected the suicide version, and that was the only reason why the official
investigation ended up with open verdict. She also claims that, at the time,
Berezovsky was going to make a long-term, or perhaps one-way, trip to Israel,
and the day he had been found dead would be the last 'most convenient' day
for killing him before he went on the trip. You can read her full interview
through machine translation.

Besides that, it was known that Berezovsky - when his money had approached
exhaustion - sent some letters to the Kremlin. Russian officials confirmed
the fact, but neither published those letters nor disclosed their contents.
If the letters were really sent then it would be reasonable to suggest that
Berezovsky tried to bargain with the Kremlin about conditions of his return.

So it's highly likely that he might be killed by someone who did not want to
allow him to become talkative about some sensitive matters (primarily, about
the Litvinenko case).

The below link is the Russian mainstream TV (with English subtitles) citing
excerpts from the Berezovsky daughter' stories and promoting 'highly likely'
narratives with regard to the notorious small island.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98w-ztPKknE#t=3m32s>

...

Another controversial person, Sergey Kapchuk, was recently known to you as a
person fearing to become "next on the hit list" <http://tinyurl.com/y6vwl2up>
Shortly afterwards he appeared on the Russian TV saying that he decided to
escape <https://youtu.be/sjw4RlBMDjY> to France because the campaign in the
island mass media and contacts with the MI6 goons made him suspect that he
was being prepared for the role of another "Putin's victim". This Daily Star
article <http://tinyurl.com/yalumhvk> retells in English his main claims.
Kapchuk is now in Russia, and he tells the media how lucky he was to escape.
His story about what exactly he was doing in Europe after fleeing the island
is incoherent, its central claim is that when he tried to leave the Schengen
area, the Croatian border guards, under UK request, took away his passport,
which made him no longer travelable and stimulated his choice to escape from
Europe to Russia.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-07-27 21:27:18 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/y9jsuwtx> economist.com

IT IS hard to look at British politics these days without worrying that
this is a country in decline. In 1900 the British Empire covered two-
thirds of the planet .. Today Britain is a shadow of its former self:
inward-looking and anxiety-ridden, stagnant and expensive, split down
the middle and fearful of the future.

.. The evidence of decline is just too big and all-pervasive to ignore.

Britain's core political institutions are in an advanced state of decay.
.. Today Britain has a choice between a dutiful mediocrity .. and a
professional protester ..

Economic growth has been slow .. Productivity growth has been nugatory.
Real wages have been falling for a decade. .. Public debate is marinated
in despair. ..

...

So, that's why your shoddy corrupt elite seeks to exploit the 'Russia'
theme, like a drowning man grasping at straws, the stinkers believe the
promotion of jingoism towards Russia can 'unite the nation'.
Byker
2018-07-28 03:04:15 UTC
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"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pjg2q2$402$***@os.motzarella.org...
>
> Today Britain is a shadow of its former self: inward-looking and
> anxiety-ridden, stagnant and expensive, split down the middle and fearful
> of the future.

The same can be said about Russia and its FORMER Soviet empire...
Oleg Smirnov
2018-07-28 12:42:57 UTC
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Byker the Shithead, <news:X7CdnWlY7-myQMbGnZ2dnUU7-***@supernews.com>
> "Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pjg2q2$402$***@os.motzarella.org...

>> Today Britain is a shadow of its former self: inward-looking and
>> anxiety-ridden, stagnant and expensive, split down the middle and fearful
>> of the future.
>
> The same can be said about Russia and its FORMER Soviet empire...

Russia is dynamically developing and improving everything.

The USSR wasn't an empire, and not "Russia's" one.
The Todal
2018-07-28 19:11:27 UTC
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On 28/07/2018 13:42, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> Byker the Shithead, <news:X7CdnWlY7-myQMbGnZ2dnUU7-***@supernews.com>
>> "Oleg Smirnov"  wrote in message news:pjg2q2$402$***@os.motzarella.org...
>
>>> Today Britain is a shadow of its former self: inward-looking and
>>> anxiety-ridden, stagnant and expensive, split down the middle and
>>> fearful of the future.
>>
>> The same can be said about Russia and its FORMER Soviet empire...
>
> Russia is dynamically developing and improving everything.
>
> The USSR wasn't an empire, and not "Russia's" one.


The difference between the UK and Russia is that we are free to
criticise our country and to say that Britain is a shadow of its former
self. In Russia, any public criticism of Vladimir Putin will result in
you being beaten up or killed.
Fruitiest of Fruitcakes
2018-07-28 19:23:43 UTC
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On 28 Jul 2018, The Todal wrote
(in article <***@mid.individual.net>):

> On 28/07/2018 13:42, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> > Byker the Shithead,<news:X7CdnWlY7-myQMbGnZ2dnUU7-***@supernews.com>
> > > "Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pjg2q2$402$***@os.motzarella.org...
> >
> > > > Today Britain is a shadow of its former self: inward-looking and
> > > > anxiety-ridden, stagnant and expensive, split down the middle and
> > > > fearful of the future.
> > >
> > > The same can be said about Russia and its FORMER Soviet empire...
> >
> > Russia is dynamically developing and improving everything.
> >
> > The USSR wasn't an empire, and not "Russia's" one.
>
> The difference between the UK and Russia is that we are free to
> criticise our country

Tell that to Robin Cook, or Dr David Kelly

> and to say that Britain is a shadow of its former
> self. In Russia, any public criticism of Vladimir Putin will result in
> you being beaten up or killed.
Byker
2018-07-28 19:19:20 UTC
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"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pjhodg$ctb$***@os.motzarella.org...

Byker the Shithead, <news:X7CdnWlY7-myQMbGnZ2dnUU7-***@supernews.com>
>> "Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pjg2q2$402$***@os.motzarella.org...
>
>>> Today Britain is a shadow of its former self: inward-looking and
>>> anxiety-ridden, stagnant and expensive, split down the middle and
>>> fearful of the future.
>>
>> The same can be said about Russia and its FORMER Soviet empire...
>
> Russia is dynamically developing and improving everything.

In Russia's case, ANY change will be an improvement...
jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
2018-07-28 15:40:30 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 22:04:15 -0500, "Kyker" <***@do~rag.net> wrote:

>"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pjg2q2$402$***@os.motzarella.org...
>>
>> Today Britain is a shadow of its former self: inward-looking and
>> anxiety-ridden, stagnant and expensive, split down the middle and fearful
>> of the future.
>
>The same can be said about Russia and its FORMER Soviet empire...

The same can be said about your host country, the Great Satan, Kyker!
--

"You are full of shit. You'll never convince any of us real Jews that
there is no Jewish look. I know my people and I can see their
Jewishness. Susan is not a Jew. If you want to get down her panties
just ask her she'll let you. She's a non-Jew."
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"You can try all you want and get all the plastic surgery you want but
you'll never look like one of us because you are not a Jew. You are
an Irish Shiksa that Isn't even a righteous non-Jew a Ger Tzadeck You
are VEEDMUS amongst us and are a gentile. I would not be surprised if
you ever go to Eretz Israel and spout off your non-senseical lies that
a Jew doesn't kill you or a gentile murder you. You are wicked because
you antagonize and lie about the Tzadeckim. The best place for you is
scrubbing toilets and urinals in a gymnasium that is predominate used
by Negros."
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- drug-fucked jew wannabe Y-chi Netfish, mocking neo-jew Suzy KKKohen's
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- neo-jew 'convert' Suzy KKKohen, mocking drug-fucked jew wannabe Y-chi Netfish's
claim to be a jew
The Peeler
2018-07-28 16:23:30 UTC
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 08:40:30 -0700, serbian bitch Razovic, the resident
psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, making an ass
of herself as "jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry'
Shein's jew aliash)", farted again:


>>> Today Britain is a shadow of its former self: inward-looking and
>>> anxiety-ridden, stagnant and expensive, split down the middle and fearful
>>> of the future.
>>
>>The same can be said about Russia and its FORMER Soviet empire...
>
> The same can be said about your host country, the Great Satan, Kyker!

The same can be said about your shithole serbia from former Yugoslavia,
dreckserb Razovic! LOL

--
tomcov about poor psychotic asshole Razovic:
"Assholes come
Assholes go
But the revd asshole goes on forever.
(and he speaks through it)"
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Sick old nazoid pedo Andrew "Andrzej" Baron (aka "Ron Jacobson")
2018-08-10 14:56:21 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com>,
A shiteating cowardly nazoid sub-louse PEDO named Andrew "Andrzej"
Baron (aka "Ron Jacobson") wrote:

[flushed]

Do NOT interfere in a debate between humans, you sub-louse nazoid pedo.
Oleg Smirnov
2018-08-08 08:21:56 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/y9ep2ogh> dailymail.co.uk

- UK Government to extradite two men suspected of nerve agent attack on
ex-spy / - Kremlin has long-time ban on extraditions, raising prospect of
political impasse

...

It's not a Kremlin's, but the Russia Constitution's law. Even if extradition
was allowed, it would be absurd to expect Russia giving out its citizens to
a country which government spoke out much pathetic nonsence but still hasn't
presented anything specific that theoretically might serve as a reason for
extradition. They even do not mention any names and details, and the Russian
officials haven't received any requests from the stinkers. So the mass media
campaign is intended mainly for the domestic cattle-like populace.

'Political impasse' is the way the shoddy island government machinators are
seeking to freeze uncertainty: in this way they can fabricate various cases,
attribute it to Russia and lament about non-extradition as much as possible.

> yawn
abelard
2018-08-08 09:19:39 UTC
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On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 11:21:56 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <***@netc.eu>
wrote:

><http://tinyurl.com/y9ep2ogh> dailymail.co.uk
>
>- UK Government to extradite two men suspected of nerve agent attack on
>ex-spy

you're not very good at covering your tracks...again

> / - Kremlin has long-time ban on extraditions, raising prospect of
>political impasse

i'll just bet they have...

>It's not a Kremlin's, but the Russia Constitution's law. Even if extradition
>was allowed, it would be absurd to expect Russia giving out its citizens to
>a country which government spoke out much pathetic nonsence but still hasn't
>presented anything specific that theoretically might serve as a reason for
>extradition. They even do not mention any names and details, and the Russian
>officials haven't received any requests from the stinkers. So the mass media
>campaign is intended mainly for the domestic cattle-like populace.
>
>'Political impasse' is the way the shoddy island government machinators are
>seeking to freeze uncertainty: in this way they can fabricate various cases,
>attribute it to Russia and lament about non-extradition as much as possible.
>
>> yawn

--
www.abelard.org
Oleg Smirnov
2018-08-19 15:19:47 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/ycjejf2q> theguardian.com

Anger as Austria's foreign minister invites Putin to her wedding

Critics say Russian leader's attendance undermines ..

...

This wedding is really not a big deal, but given the fact that the shoddy
small islanders are unhealthly fixated on ritual and symbolic status things,
it'll be interpreted as a bold spit on the face of Theresa May and company.

No wonder the little English stinkers are so angry.

...

Listen to the nice Austrian music <https://youtu.be/BVWfqOSdzs4>



> yawn
Oleg Smirnov
2018-11-10 17:39:54 UTC
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<http://tinyurl.com/ycgt8esg> dailymail.co.uk
Mum-of-two loses her £2,900 savings to a scammer pretending to be from
HMRC and threatening PRISON in latest sick fraud ruse

...

The true meaning of this story is that the regular English cattle are,
in fact, downtrodden and living in great fear. Her fear was so deep and
all-consuming that she did not make any attempt to check something or
argue with those who she thought act on behalf of the oppressive power.
And these hapless plebs are taught to be proud of V freedom V.



> yawn
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