Discussion:
3 million Chinese could come to the UK
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Pamela
2020-07-01 16:46:49 UTC
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Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.

So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.

After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
Incubus
2020-07-01 17:04:16 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
Turning on the television will sound like the contents of the cutlery drawer
being thrown down the stairs. Still, they do tend to be more civilised than
Pakistanis and Blackamoors when they stop eating cats and dogs.
c***@gmail.com
2020-07-01 17:13:02 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
Hey, we have a mere 68 million people on this tiny island of ours.....what's another 3 million between friends?

Of course, such a dense population might have implications if, say, an invisible virus emerged that "killed" lots of people.

But that's not likely, is it?
Keema's Nan
2020-07-01 17:37:48 UTC
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Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
Hey, we have a mere 68 million people on this tiny island of ours.....what's
another 3 million between friends?
Of course, such a dense population might have implications if, say, an
invisible virus emerged that "killed" lots of people.
But that's not likely, is it?
If the millions of immigrants were banned from moving outside the M25, then
ok.

We ‘real' English don’t want them, we have enough trouble with
redundancies as it is; and the coming recession (Boris or no Boris socialist
building plan) is going to be longer and deeper than anything ever known;
therefore we shall not need them for well into the future.
Joe
2020-07-01 19:57:26 UTC
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On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 18:37:48 +0100
Post by Keema's Nan
If the millions of immigrants were banned from moving outside the
M25, then ok.
Absolutely not. The North and South Circulars, maybe. I live (just)
inside the M25 near-ring.
--
Joe
Keema's Nan
2020-07-01 17:24:20 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
Well of course, because we are such an underpopulated country we need another
city the size of Birmingham in order to justify an 8 lane motorway linking
Oxford and Cambridge, where there are currently not enough people living, to
allow planning permission over the green belt owned by wealthy Tory voting
farmers.
Post by Pamela
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
CheeseySock
2020-07-01 20:36:17 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority
group any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC
programme?
I like the Chinese (generally speaking), but that is stupid to import so
many unknown people, we should not have been funding these reactionaries
to fight against Chinese state in such a violent or disruptive fashion in
the first place....

Not that I think the Chinese state is any kind of model to be in awe of
(unless you are a totalitarian capitalist), neither do I think our own
present model much better given the shit we have caused in middle east,
whereas Chinese direct caused casualties stand roughly at one wage
protestor in Africa eh! (OK some nasty shite against Tibetans and Uighers
as well, but compare to what Mao and kike advisers did, still a bit more
restrained...)
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
2020-07-01 21:25:44 UTC
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On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 20:36:17 GMT, CheeseySock
Post by CheeseySock
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority
group any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC
programme?
I like the Chinese (generally speaking), but that is stupid to import so
many unknown people, we should not have been funding these reactionaries
to fight against Chinese state in such a violent or disruptive fashion in
the first place....
Not that I think the Chinese state is any kind of model to be in awe of
(unless you are a totalitarian capitalist), neither do I think our own
present model much better given the shit we have caused in middle east,
whereas Chinese direct caused casualties stand roughly at one wage
protestor in Africa eh! (OK some nasty shite against Tibetans and Uighers
as well, but compare to what Mao and kike advisers did, still a bit more
restrained...)
"kike advisers"?

That sort of remark could, conceivably, be misconstrued as being
vaguely 'anti-semitic'®™.
CheeseySock
2020-07-01 21:46:16 UTC
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Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 20:36:17 GMT, CheeseySock
Post by CheeseySock
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in
the UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority
group any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC
programme?
I like the Chinese (generally speaking), but that is stupid to import so
many unknown people, we should not have been funding these reactionaries
to fight against Chinese state in such a violent or disruptive fashion
in the first place....
Not that I think the Chinese state is any kind of model to be in awe of
(unless you are a totalitarian capitalist), neither do I think our own
present model much better given the shit we have caused in middle east,
whereas Chinese direct caused casualties stand roughly at one wage
protestor in Africa eh! (OK some nasty shite against Tibetans and
Uighers as well, but compare to what Mao and kike advisers did, still a
bit more restrained...)
"kike advisers"?
That sort of remark could, conceivably, be misconstrued as being vaguely
'anti-semitic'®™.
you have to dig a bit below media GASLIGHTER bulletproof surface to find
out that shite eh!
CheeseySock
2020-07-01 22:00:59 UTC
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Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 20:36:17 GMT, CheeseySock
Post by CheeseySock
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in
the UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority
group any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC
programme?
I like the Chinese (generally speaking), but that is stupid to import so
many unknown people, we should not have been funding these reactionaries
to fight against Chinese state in such a violent or disruptive fashion
in the first place....
Not that I think the Chinese state is any kind of model to be in awe of
(unless you are a totalitarian capitalist), neither do I think our own
present model much better given the shit we have caused in middle east,
whereas Chinese direct caused casualties stand roughly at one wage
protestor in Africa eh! (OK some nasty shite against Tibetans and
Uighers as well, but compare to what Mao and kike advisers did, still a
bit more restrained...)
"kike advisers"?
That sort of remark could, conceivably, be misconstrued as being vaguely
'anti-semitic'®™.
that's why I use the word kike... like marlon brando said in some
comment... never find the kike, the dirty jew, always the spic, the wop
etc.
CheeseySock
2020-07-01 22:05:44 UTC
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Post by CheeseySock
Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 20:36:17 GMT, CheeseySock
Post by CheeseySock
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in
the UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority
group any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC
programme?
I like the Chinese (generally speaking), but that is stupid to import
so many unknown people, we should not have been funding these
reactionaries to fight against Chinese state in such a violent or
disruptive fashion in the first place....
Not that I think the Chinese state is any kind of model to be in awe of
(unless you are a totalitarian capitalist), neither do I think our own
present model much better given the shit we have caused in middle east,
whereas Chinese direct caused casualties stand roughly at one wage
protestor in Africa eh! (OK some nasty shite against Tibetans and
Uighers as well, but compare to what Mao and kike advisers did, still a
bit more restrained...)
"kike advisers"?
That sort of remark could, conceivably, be misconstrued as being
vaguely 'anti-semitic'®™.
that's why I use the word kike... like marlon brando said in some
comment... never find the kike, the dirty jew, always the spic, the wop
etc.
obviously that was at a time before the negro had even become a threat eh!
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
2020-07-01 21:24:11 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
That's the LAST thing we need in the UK...people actually willing to
work!
Pamela
2020-07-01 21:36:26 UTC
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Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority
group any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC
programme?
That's the LAST thing we need in the UK...people actually willing to
work!
As my friend used to say, "Have you ever seen a Chinaman in a dole queue?"
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
2020-07-02 12:45:04 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority
group any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC
programme?
That's the LAST thing we need in the UK...people actually willing to
work!
As my friend used to say, "Have you ever seen a Chinaman in a dole queue?"
Far more likely in the food truck selling food to those in the dole
queue!
Pamela
2020-07-02 12:49:48 UTC
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Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Post by Pamela
Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority
group any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC
programme?
That's the LAST thing we need in the UK...people actually willing to
work!
As my friend used to say, "Have you ever seen a Chinaman in a dole queue?"
Far more likely in the food truck selling food to those in the dole
queue!
In return maybe we can ship out some UK white trash to China to work in their
paddy fields as coolies. :)
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
2020-07-02 17:16:05 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Post by Pamela
Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority
group any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC
programme?
That's the LAST thing we need in the UK...people actually willing to
work!
As my friend used to say, "Have you ever seen a Chinaman in a dole queue?"
Far more likely in the food truck selling food to those in the dole
queue!
In return maybe we can ship out some UK white trash to China to work in their
paddy fields as coolies. :)
That'll come as something of a shock to them...they don't even want to
work in our own cabbage fields!
abelard
2020-07-01 21:46:55 UTC
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On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 14:24:11 -0700, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
That's the LAST thing we need in the UK...people actually willing to
work!
and better educated on average...
and strong experience of a socialist dictatorship

no wonder spammy is shaking
Farmer Giles
2020-07-02 06:00:34 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 14:24:11 -0700, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
That's the LAST thing we need in the UK...people actually willing to
work!
and better educated on average...
and strong experience of a socialist dictatorship
no wonder spammy is shaking
A jackal speaks - another 'enemy within'.

This ng, like the country, is full of them - and most of them think they
aren't obvious. Invented backgrounds, invented ideologies, etc, but
their treachery always comes through. Posting times are a useful
indication of where they're at, but it's far from the only thing. Often
the ones pushing for 'hate' laws, they are the real haters.

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable,
for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves
amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through
all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
Keema's Nan
2020-07-02 07:44:47 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
Post by abelard
On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 14:24:11 -0700, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
That's the LAST thing we need in the UK...people actually willing to
work!
and better educated on average...
and strong experience of a socialist dictatorship
no wonder spammy is shaking
A jackal speaks - another 'enemy within'.
This ng, like the country, is full of them - and most of them think they
aren't obvious. Invented backgrounds, invented ideologies, etc, but
their treachery always comes through. Posting times are a useful
indication of where they're at, but it's far from the only thing. Often
the ones pushing for 'hate' laws, they are the real haters.
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable,
for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves
amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through
all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
+1
abelard
2020-07-02 10:20:01 UTC
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On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 08:44:47 +0100, Keema's Nan
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by abelard
On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 14:24:11 -0700, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
That's the LAST thing we need in the UK...people actually willing to
work!
and better educated on average...
and strong experience of a socialist dictatorship
no wonder spammy is shaking
A jackal speaks - another 'enemy within'.
This ng, like the country, is full of them - and most of them think they
aren't obvious. Invented backgrounds, invented ideologies, etc, but
their treachery always comes through. Posting times are a useful
indication of where they're at, but it's far from the only thing. Often
the ones pushing for 'hate' laws, they are the real haters.
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable,
for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves
amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through
all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
+1
+ 2 nutters
Farmer Giles
2020-07-02 12:02:03 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 08:44:47 +0100, Keema's Nan
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by abelard
On Wed, 01 Jul 2020 14:24:11 -0700, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
That's the LAST thing we need in the UK...people actually willing to
work!
and better educated on average...
and strong experience of a socialist dictatorship
no wonder spammy is shaking
A jackal speaks - another 'enemy within'.
This ng, like the country, is full of them - and most of them think they
aren't obvious. Invented backgrounds, invented ideologies, etc, but
their treachery always comes through. Posting times are a useful
indication of where they're at, but it's far from the only thing. Often
the ones pushing for 'hate' laws, they are the real haters.
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable,
for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves
amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through
all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
+1
+ 2 nutters
No, just one - and you're it.

Like a few more in our overcrowded little island would you, Babbelard? I
bet you would, all part of the plan.
Col
2020-07-02 05:44:22 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
And Boris knows full well that only a tiny fraction of those eligible
will actually take up the offer. It's one of the few things we can do in
retaliation against China for what's happening in Hong Kong. Any kind of
economic sanctions would clearly be suicidal. So it's 'gesture politics'
really. In order to irritate China and get them to accuse us of
'interfering in their internal affairs' which they have already done.
--
Col
Farmer Giles
2020-07-02 06:14:58 UTC
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Post by Col
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more.  Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
And Boris knows full well that only a tiny fraction of those eligible
will actually take up the offer. It's one of the few things we can do in
retaliation against China for what's happening in Hong Kong. Any kind of
economic sanctions would clearly be suicidal. So it's 'gesture politics'
really. In order to irritate China and get them to accuse us of
'interfering in their internal affairs' which they have already done.
Hong Kong is part of China - it's no longer a British colony, what has
it got to do with us? Our politicians should concentrate on sorting out
the problems we have here - and there are plenty of those - instead of
poking their nose into other countries' affairs.

The only way we should get involved is part of any UN sanctions.
Col
2020-07-02 06:44:53 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more.  Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
And Boris knows full well that only a tiny fraction of those eligible
will actually take up the offer. It's one of the few things we can do
in retaliation against China for what's happening in Hong Kong. Any
kind of economic sanctions would clearly be suicidal. So it's 'gesture
politics' really. In order to irritate China and get them to accuse us
of 'interfering in their internal affairs' which they have already done.
Hong Kong is part of China - it's no longer a British colony, what has
it got to do with us? Our politicians should concentrate on sorting out
the problems we have here - and there are plenty of those - instead of
poking their nose into other countries' affairs.
They may be no longer a British colony but there is the small matter of
the 'one country, two systems' arrangement that was negotiated and China
is supposed to honour until 2047. So it that sense it is very much to do
with us.
Post by Farmer Giles
The only way we should get involved is part of any UN sanctions.
Sanctions against an economy the size of China would end up hurting
everybody. The world economy is crippled enough as it is.
--
Col
Keema's Nan
2020-07-02 07:50:14 UTC
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Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
And Boris knows full well that only a tiny fraction of those eligible
will actually take up the offer. It's one of the few things we can do
in retaliation against China for what's happening in Hong Kong. Any
kind of economic sanctions would clearly be suicidal. So it's 'gesture
politics' really. In order to irritate China and get them to accuse us
of 'interfering in their internal affairs' which they have already done.
Hong Kong is part of China - it's no longer a British colony, what has
it got to do with us? Our politicians should concentrate on sorting out
the problems we have here - and there are plenty of those - instead of
poking their nose into other countries' affairs.
They may be no longer a British colony but there is the small matter of
the 'one country, two systems' arrangement that was negotiated and China
is supposed to honour until 2047. So it that sense it is very much to do
with us.
Post by Farmer Giles
The only way we should get involved is part of any UN sanctions.
Sanctions against an economy the size of China would end up hurting
everybody. The world economy is crippled enough as it is.
Goodness me. Someone has recognised reality.

Rampant capitalism is dying, killed off by a tiny virus so small it is
invisible to the naked eye.Who could have predicted that?

The capitalists may still be in denial, and the further to the extreme right
they are politically, the deeper the denial goes; but eventually they will
wake up and realise that their pleasant dream is over and their wide awake
nightmare has only just begun.
Pamela
2020-07-02 07:51:57 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle
in the UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
And Boris knows full well that only a tiny fraction of those
eligible will actually take up the offer. It's one of the few
things we can do in retaliation against China for what's happening
in Hong Kong. Any kind of economic sanctions would clearly be
suicidal. So it's 'gesture politics' really. In order to irritate
China and get them to accuse us of 'interfering in their internal
affairs' which they have already done.
Hong Kong is part of China - it's no longer a British colony, what
has it got to do with us? Our politicians should concentrate on
sorting out the problems we have here - and there are plenty of those
- instead of poking their nose into other countries' affairs.
They may be no longer a British colony but there is the small matter of
the 'one country, two systems' arrangement that was negotiated and
China is supposed to honour until 2047. So it that sense it is very
much to do with us.
Post by Farmer Giles
The only way we should get involved is part of any UN sanctions.
Sanctions against an economy the size of China would end up hurting
everybody. The world economy is crippled enough as it is.
Goodness me. Someone has recognised reality.
Rampant capitalism is dying, killed off by a tiny virus so small it is
invisible to the naked eye.Who could have predicted that?
The capitalists may still be in denial, and the further to the extreme
right they are politically, the deeper the denial goes; but eventually
they will wake up and realise that their pleasant dream is over and
their wide awake nightmare has only just begun.
What alternative would you propose?
Keema's Nan
2020-07-02 08:10:30 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle
in the UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest
minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
And Boris knows full well that only a tiny fraction of those
eligible will actually take up the offer. It's one of the few
things we can do in retaliation against China for what's happening
in Hong Kong. Any kind of economic sanctions would clearly be
suicidal. So it's 'gesture politics' really. In order to irritate
China and get them to accuse us of 'interfering in their internal
affairs' which they have already done.
Hong Kong is part of China - it's no longer a British colony, what
has it got to do with us? Our politicians should concentrate on
sorting out the problems we have here - and there are plenty of those
- instead of poking their nose into other countries' affairs.
They may be no longer a British colony but there is the small matter of
the 'one country, two systems' arrangement that was negotiated and
China is supposed to honour until 2047. So it that sense it is very
much to do with us.
Post by Farmer Giles
The only way we should get involved is part of any UN sanctions.
Sanctions against an economy the size of China would end up hurting
everybody. The world economy is crippled enough as it is.
Goodness me. Someone has recognised reality.
Rampant capitalism is dying, killed off by a tiny virus so small it is
invisible to the naked eye.Who could have predicted that?
The capitalists may still be in denial, and the further to the extreme
right they are politically, the deeper the denial goes; but eventually
they will wake up and realise that their pleasant dream is over and
their wide awake nightmare has only just begun.
What alternative would you propose?
There is only one alternative in these situations....

WAR
Col
2020-07-02 08:28:10 UTC
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Post by Pamela
What alternative would you propose?
There is only one alternative in these situations....
WAR
What is it good for?
--
Col
Keema's Nan
2020-07-02 08:45:57 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Pamela
What alternative would you propose?
There is only one alternative in these situations....
WAR
What is it good for?
Cutting the pleb population.
Algernon Goss-Custard
2020-07-02 16:10:01 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Rampant capitalism is dying, killed off by a tiny virus so small it is
invisible to the naked eye.Who could have predicted that?
H.G. Wells.
--
Algernon
Basil Jet
2020-07-02 21:48:35 UTC
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I don't see why the Hongkongese don't go to Taiwan. It has 23 million
people with whom they'll have a lot in common.
--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Feist - 2007 - The Reminder (bonus disc)
Ian Jackson
2020-07-03 07:07:44 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
I don't see why the Hongkongese don't go to Taiwan. It has 23 million
people with whom they'll have a lot in common.
I think that Taiwan HAS offered to have them.
--
Ian
Custos Custodum
2020-07-03 22:54:36 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
I don't see why the Hongkongese don't go to Taiwan. It has 23 million
people with whom they'll have a lot in common.
Apart from mutually intelligible spoken languages. (Cantonese vs.
Mandarin)
Joe
2020-07-02 16:42:59 UTC
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On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 08:50:14 +0100
Post by Keema's Nan
Rampant capitalism is dying, killed off by a tiny virus so small it
is invisible to the naked eye.Who could have predicted that?
In the UK and USA, at least, the damage has been done by governments,
not viruses.

Out of curiosity, where did you last see 'rampant capitalism' in
action? When 'private' companies work arm-in-arm with regulators and
other parts of the government, that isn't capitalism, it's corruption,
and close to fascism.

The small businesses are the capitalists, and when required by law to
stop earning revenue, are hardly 'rampant'. Many have been destroyed by
government action, which as it happens, suits the big government-linked
'businesses' just fine.
--
Joe
Keema's Nan
2020-07-02 17:44:24 UTC
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Post by Joe
On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 08:50:14 +0100
Post by Keema's Nan
Rampant capitalism is dying, killed off by a tiny virus so small it
is invisible to the naked eye.Who could have predicted that?
In the UK and USA, at least, the damage has been done by governments,
not viruses.
No links to your proof I notice.

Which means another of your comments is just guesswork dressed up as fact.

Try again.
Post by Joe
Out of curiosity, where did you last see 'rampant capitalism' in
action?
Yesterday, when I found out many companies were taking the furlough money
from the government, but insisted their employees carried on working in
secret.
Post by Joe
When 'private' companies work arm-in-arm with regulators and
other parts of the government, that isn't capitalism, it's corruption,
and close to fascism.
The small businesses are the capitalists, and when required by law to
stop earning revenue, are hardly 'rampant'. Many have been destroyed by
government action, which as it happens, suits the big government-linked
'businesses' just fine.
Joe
2020-07-02 18:37:02 UTC
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On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:44:24 +0100
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Joe
On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 08:50:14 +0100
Post by Keema's Nan
Rampant capitalism is dying, killed off by a tiny virus so small
it is invisible to the naked eye.Who could have predicted that?
In the UK and USA, at least, the damage has been done by
governments, not viruses.
No links to your proof I notice.
Which means another of your comments is just guesswork dressed up as fact.
Try again.
Have you honestly not noticed that it is the government in the UK which
decides which businesses were permitted to operate since March, and
when?

Start here:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/super-saturday-rules-explained-everything-can-cant-probably/

"Hairdressers will also open for the first time on Saturday. Staff will
be required to wear a full-face plastic visor and follow strict rules
over the disinfection of equipment. You may be required to make an
appointment, with limits on the number of people in each salon.

If you are the sort of person who loves to chat to your hairdressers,
think again – staff have been told to cut down on the small talk.
Expect things to feel a tad strange.

Beauty salons will remain shut, so there is no prospect of a manicure
any time soon."

You do know, don't you, that almost all retail was shut for a long
period?

You probably don't realise that small businesses aren't able to borrow
enough money to retain staff and premises indefinitely, but large ones
generally are. But there really hasn't been any shortage of this kind of
story:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/coronavirus-small-businesses-collapse-bust-research-a9440771.html

Sometimes you appear to be a little bit isolated from the world outside.
--
Joe
Keema's Nan
2020-07-02 20:25:42 UTC
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Post by Joe
On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:44:24 +0100
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Joe
On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 08:50:14 +0100
Post by Keema's Nan
Rampant capitalism is dying, killed off by a tiny virus so small
it is invisible to the naked eye.Who could have predicted that?
In the UK and USA, at least, the damage has been done by
governments, not viruses.
No links to your proof I notice.
Which means another of your comments is just guesswork dressed up as fact.
Try again.
Have you honestly not noticed that it is the government in the UK which
decides which businesses were permitted to operate since March, and
when?
What has this to do with the death of capitalism?
No thanks. You are already obsessed with red herrings.

Continue in denial for as long as you want, but one day long into the future
you will wake up and realise that the virus decided the governments’
strategy, not the other way around.
Post by Joe
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/super-saturday-rules-explained
-everything-can-cant-probably/
"Hairdressers will also open for the first time on Saturday. Staff will
be required to wear a full-face plastic visor and follow strict rules
over the disinfection of equipment. You may be required to make an
appointment, with limits on the number of people in each salon.
If you are the sort of person who loves to chat to your hairdressers,
Bollocks. Hairdressers have been quietly operating throughout lockdown, it is
just that they have been going to customers’ houses, obviously without
troubling the megaphone know-it-alls.

RBU
Ian Jackson
2020-07-02 18:56:56 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Yesterday, when I found out many companies were taking the furlough money
from the government, but insisted their employees carried on working in
secret.
Apparently (and for no obvious reason) part-time furlough only became
permitted on 1 July (with the government sensibly only paying for 80% of
the time not being worked).

Any employer permitting (or requiring) an employee to do part-time work
has been breaking the law - even when this was done with the best of
intentions, and was actually to everyone's benefit to do so.

Although it probably kept things simple by insisting on a "100% furlough
or nothing" rule, if there was some work that needed doing it does seem
plain daft not to allow honest, part-time working.
--
Ian
Keema's Nan
2020-07-02 20:27:26 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Keema's Nan
Yesterday, when I found out many companies were taking the furlough money
from the government, but insisted their employees carried on working in
secret.
Apparently (and for no obvious reason) part-time furlough only became
permitted on 1 July (with the government sensibly only paying for 80% of
the time not being worked).
Any employer permitting (or requiring) an employee to do part-time work
has been breaking the law -
No shit sherlock.
Post by Ian Jackson
even when this was done with the best of
intentions, and was actually to everyone's benefit to do so.
You poor naive people.
Post by Ian Jackson
Although it probably kept things simple by insisting on a "100% furlough
or nothing" rule, if there was some work that needed doing it does seem
plain daft not to allow honest, part-time working.
Never mind, just put on a shawl to keep out the draughts and have a mug of
cocoa before bed.
JNugent
2020-07-08 16:42:05 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Joe
On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 08:50:14 +0100
Post by Keema's Nan
Rampant capitalism is dying, killed off by a tiny virus so small it
is invisible to the naked eye.Who could have predicted that?
In the UK and USA, at least, the damage has been done by governments,
not viruses.
No links to your proof I notice.
Which means another of your comments is just guesswork dressed up as fact.
Try again.
Post by Joe
Out of curiosity, where did you last see 'rampant capitalism' in
action?
Yesterday, when I found out many companies were taking the furlough money
from the government, but insisted their employees carried on working in
secret.
You might have seen that phrase used in conection with such a report,
but only used nonsensically in some rag such as The Guardian, where
truth and basic comprehension dare not show their faces.

Such a crime as you describe and report is not a feature of capitalism
at all, let alone a "rampant" variety (whatever that may be).

It a feature of the criminal element of a society. It wouldn't take much
to convince a neutral observer that the attitude "Let me have some of
that taxpayers' money, whether or not I'm entitled to it" is more likely
to be encountered among socialists, who in any case, tend to see
taxpayers as having it coming.
Farmer Giles
2020-07-02 07:58:53 UTC
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Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more.  Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
And Boris knows full well that only a tiny fraction of those eligible
will actually take up the offer. It's one of the few things we can do
in retaliation against China for what's happening in Hong Kong. Any
kind of economic sanctions would clearly be suicidal. So it's
'gesture politics' really. In order to irritate China and get them to
accuse us of 'interfering in their internal affairs' which they have
already done.
Hong Kong is part of China - it's no longer a British colony, what has
it got to do with us? Our politicians should concentrate on sorting
out the problems we have here - and there are plenty of those -
instead of poking their nose into other countries' affairs.
They may be no longer a British colony but there is the small matter of
the 'one country, two systems' arrangement that was negotiated and China
is supposed to honour until 2047. So it that sense it is very much to do
with us.
Post by Farmer Giles
The only way we should get involved is part of any UN sanctions.
Sanctions against an economy the size of China would end up hurting
everybody. The world economy is crippled enough as it is.
What do you suppose we do then, send a gunboat up the Yangtze?

We can do nothing. China violates human rights all over the place, live
with it or die with it. Not our problem - and I'm sick of paying for the
actions of stupid people in the 19th century. Perhaps your family were
one of the exploiters, most of mine were near starving.
Keema's Nan
2020-07-02 08:12:44 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
And Boris knows full well that only a tiny fraction of those eligible
will actually take up the offer. It's one of the few things we can do
in retaliation against China for what's happening in Hong Kong. Any
kind of economic sanctions would clearly be suicidal. So it's
'gesture politics' really. In order to irritate China and get them to
accuse us of 'interfering in their internal affairs' which they have
already done.
Hong Kong is part of China - it's no longer a British colony, what has
it got to do with us? Our politicians should concentrate on sorting
out the problems we have here - and there are plenty of those -
instead of poking their nose into other countries' affairs.
They may be no longer a British colony but there is the small matter of
the 'one country, two systems' arrangement that was negotiated and China
is supposed to honour until 2047. So it that sense it is very much to do
with us.
Post by Farmer Giles
The only way we should get involved is part of any UN sanctions.
Sanctions against an economy the size of China would end up hurting
everybody. The world economy is crippled enough as it is.
What do you suppose we do then, send a gunboat up the Yangtze?
We can do nothing. China violates human rights all over the place, live
with it or die with it. Not our problem - and I'm sick of paying for the
actions of stupid people in the 19th century. Perhaps your family were
one of the exploiters, most of mine were near starving.
From what I can gather, in the 19th century most of my family were shagging
as often as possible.
Farmer Giles
2020-07-02 08:18:28 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
And Boris knows full well that only a tiny fraction of those eligible
will actually take up the offer. It's one of the few things we can do
in retaliation against China for what's happening in Hong Kong. Any
kind of economic sanctions would clearly be suicidal. So it's
'gesture politics' really. In order to irritate China and get them to
accuse us of 'interfering in their internal affairs' which they have
already done.
Hong Kong is part of China - it's no longer a British colony, what has
it got to do with us? Our politicians should concentrate on sorting
out the problems we have here - and there are plenty of those -
instead of poking their nose into other countries' affairs.
They may be no longer a British colony but there is the small matter of
the 'one country, two systems' arrangement that was negotiated and China
is supposed to honour until 2047. So it that sense it is very much to do
with us.
Post by Farmer Giles
The only way we should get involved is part of any UN sanctions.
Sanctions against an economy the size of China would end up hurting
everybody. The world economy is crippled enough as it is.
What do you suppose we do then, send a gunboat up the Yangtze?
We can do nothing. China violates human rights all over the place, live
with it or die with it. Not our problem - and I'm sick of paying for the
actions of stupid people in the 19th century. Perhaps your family were
one of the exploiters, most of mine were near starving.
From what I can gather, in the 19th century most of my family were shagging
as often as possible.
Have you carried on the tradition?
Keema's Nan
2020-07-02 08:23:50 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest
minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
And Boris knows full well that only a tiny fraction of those eligible
will actually take up the offer. It's one of the few things we can do
in retaliation against China for what's happening in Hong Kong. Any
kind of economic sanctions would clearly be suicidal. So it's
'gesture politics' really. In order to irritate China and get them to
accuse us of 'interfering in their internal affairs' which they have
already done.
Hong Kong is part of China - it's no longer a British colony, what has
it got to do with us? Our politicians should concentrate on sorting
out the problems we have here - and there are plenty of those -
instead of poking their nose into other countries' affairs.
They may be no longer a British colony but there is the small matter of
the 'one country, two systems' arrangement that was negotiated and China
is supposed to honour until 2047. So it that sense it is very much to do
with us.
Post by Farmer Giles
The only way we should get involved is part of any UN sanctions.
Sanctions against an economy the size of China would end up hurting
everybody. The world economy is crippled enough as it is.
What do you suppose we do then, send a gunboat up the Yangtze?
We can do nothing. China violates human rights all over the place, live
with it or die with it. Not our problem - and I'm sick of paying for the
actions of stupid people in the 19th century. Perhaps your family were
one of the exploiters, most of mine were near starving.
From what I can gather, in the 19th century most of my family were shagging
as often as possible.
Have you carried on the tradition?
No, I gave up years ago. Too much like hard work.
Col
2020-07-02 08:24:32 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
The only way we should get involved is part of any UN sanctions.
Sanctions against an economy the size of China would end up hurting
everybody. The world economy is crippled enough as it is.
What do you suppose we do then, send a gunboat up the Yangtze?
3rd Opium War, anyone?
Post by Farmer Giles
We can do nothing. China violates human rights all over the place, live
with it or die with it. Not our problem - and I'm sick of paying for the
actions of stupid people in the 19th century. Perhaps your family were
one of the exploiters, most of mine were near starving.
I know we can, in effect, do nothing. That's why I made mention of
'gesture politics' in my initial post. We can register our disapproval
as what is going on in Hong Kong but as to changing it I can see little
we can practically do. The offer to 3m HK residents to live here is
symbolic, a headline-grabbing initiative intended to highlight what is
going on there but will have little (if any) noticeable effect on
immigration to the UK.
My dad has undertaken some family history research and while we are very
much middle class now, the further back in time you go the poorer we
seem to get. The furthest back (1790s I think) makes mention of one of
my ancestors dying in an Edinburgh workhouse.
--
Col
Farmer Giles
2020-07-02 08:31:26 UTC
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Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
The only way we should get involved is part of any UN sanctions.
Sanctions against an economy the size of China would end up hurting
everybody. The world economy is crippled enough as it is.
What do you suppose we do then, send a gunboat up the Yangtze?
3rd Opium War, anyone?
Post by Farmer Giles
We can do nothing. China violates human rights all over the place,
live with it or die with it. Not our problem - and I'm sick of paying
for the actions of stupid people in the 19th century. Perhaps your
family were one of the exploiters, most of mine were near starving.
I know we can, in effect, do nothing. That's why I made mention of
'gesture politics' in my initial post. We can register our disapproval
as what is going on in Hong Kong but as to changing it I can see little
we can practically do.
Ok, I've registered my disapproval. I'm sure the Chinese will climb down
now.


The offer to 3m HK residents to live here is
Post by Col
symbolic, a headline-grabbing initiative intended to highlight what is
going on there but will have little (if any) noticeable effect on
immigration to the UK.
I think we've heard that one before.
Col
2020-07-03 04:41:54 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
The only way we should get involved is part of any UN sanctions.
Sanctions against an economy the size of China would end up hurting
everybody. The world economy is crippled enough as it is.
What do you suppose we do then, send a gunboat up the Yangtze?
3rd Opium War, anyone?
Post by Farmer Giles
We can do nothing. China violates human rights all over the place,
live with it or die with it. Not our problem - and I'm sick of paying
for the actions of stupid people in the 19th century. Perhaps your
family were one of the exploiters, most of mine were near starving.
I know we can, in effect, do nothing. That's why I made mention of
'gesture politics' in my initial post. We can register our disapproval
as what is going on in Hong Kong but as to changing it I can see
little we can practically do.
Ok, I've registered my disapproval. I'm sure the Chinese will climb down
now.
So what do you suggest, say nothing because we can't really do anything
to stop China?
Post by Farmer Giles
 The offer to 3m HK residents to live here is
Post by Col
symbolic, a headline-grabbing initiative intended to highlight what is
going on there but will have little (if any) noticeable effect on
immigration to the UK.
I think we've heard that one before.
Indeed we have. Remember when restrictions on immigration were lifted
and certain newspapers had hysterical headlines about vast hordes of
Romanian migrants coming over here, and it never happened.
--
Col
Farmer Giles
2020-07-03 07:13:35 UTC
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Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
The only way we should get involved is part of any UN sanctions.
Sanctions against an economy the size of China would end up hurting
everybody. The world economy is crippled enough as it is.
What do you suppose we do then, send a gunboat up the Yangtze?
3rd Opium War, anyone?
Post by Farmer Giles
We can do nothing. China violates human rights all over the place,
live with it or die with it. Not our problem - and I'm sick of
paying for the actions of stupid people in the 19th century. Perhaps
your family were one of the exploiters, most of mine were near
starving.
I know we can, in effect, do nothing. That's why I made mention of
'gesture politics' in my initial post. We can register our
disapproval as what is going on in Hong Kong but as to changing it I
can see little we can practically do.
Ok, I've registered my disapproval. I'm sure the Chinese will climb
down now.
So what do you suggest, say nothing because we can't really do anything
to stop China?
I don't suggest anything. None of our business.
Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
  The offer to 3m HK residents to live here is
Post by Col
symbolic, a headline-grabbing initiative intended to highlight what
is going on there but will have little (if any) noticeable effect on
immigration to the UK.
I think we've heard that one before.
Indeed we have. Remember when restrictions on immigration were lifted
and certain newspapers had hysterical headlines about vast hordes of
Romanian migrants coming over here, and it never happened.
Really, how do you know? There's more of everything here than you think.
They may not be in Scotland, but they're certainly down here.
Col
2020-07-03 08:11:54 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
So what do you suggest, say nothing because we can't really do
anything to stop China?
I don't suggest anything. None of our business.
We negotiated and agreed with China a treaty as to the nature of Hong
Kong's
relationship with the mainland after 1997. It is very much our business
if they are breaking said agreement.
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
  The offer to 3m HK residents to live here is
Post by Col
symbolic, a headline-grabbing initiative intended to highlight what
is going on there but will have little (if any) noticeable effect on
immigration to the UK.
I think we've heard that one before.
Indeed we have. Remember when restrictions on immigration were lifted
and certain newspapers had hysterical headlines about vast hordes of
Romanian migrants coming over here, and it never happened.
Really, how do you know? There's more of everything here than you think.
They may not be in Scotland, but they're certainly down here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians_in_the_United_Kingdom

427,000, though the rate of increase has dropped markedly in the last
couple of years. Nowhere near 3m and a tiny proportion of a country with
a population of around 67m. Though I do of course appreciate they aren't
equally distributed.

Where is 'here' btw?
--
Col
Farmer Giles
2020-07-03 08:22:22 UTC
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Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
So what do you suggest, say nothing because we can't really do
anything to stop China?
I don't suggest anything. None of our business.
We negotiated and agreed with China a treaty as to the nature of Hong
Kong's
relationship  with the mainland after 1997. It is very much our business
if they are breaking said agreement.
'We'? You mean some of our corrupt politicians did. So let them go and
sort it out - and make sure that 'we' don't make any more agreements
with the Chinese. 'We' also made a committment to the Palestinians in
the Balfour Declaration, what do you think we should do about that?
Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
  The offer to 3m HK residents to live here is
Post by Col
symbolic, a headline-grabbing initiative intended to highlight what
is going on there but will have little (if any) noticeable effect
on immigration to the UK.
I think we've heard that one before.
Indeed we have. Remember when restrictions on immigration were lifted
and certain newspapers had hysterical headlines about vast hordes of
Romanian migrants coming over here, and it never happened.
Really, how do you know? There's more of everything here than you
think. They may not be in Scotland, but they're certainly down here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians_in_the_United_Kingdom
I would take about as much notice of Wikipedia as I would of Boris
Johnson - with both being about as reliable and trustworthy as each other.
Post by Col
427,000, though the rate of increase has dropped markedly in the last
couple of years. Nowhere near 3m and a tiny proportion of a country with
a population of around 67m. Though I do of course appreciate they aren't
equally distributed.
Where is 'here' btw?
In the English Midlands.
Col
2020-07-03 09:32:57 UTC
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Post by Col
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians_in_the_United_Kingdom
I would take about as much notice of Wikipedia as I would of Boris
Johnson - with both being about as reliable and trustworthy as each other.
So Wikipedia is lying, then?
OK. Care to provide another link with more accurate figures?
--
Col
Farmer Giles
2020-07-03 13:06:47 UTC
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Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians_in_the_United_Kingdom
I would take about as much notice of Wikipedia as I would of Boris
Johnson - with both being about as reliable and trustworthy as each other.
So Wikipedia is lying, then?
Wikipedia lies all the time. Look up the activities of one Philip Cross.
Post by Col
OK. Care to provide another link with more accurate figures?
No, because I'm not that interested. I just know that there are lots of
them here.
JNugent
2020-07-08 16:44:36 UTC
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Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians_in_the_United_Kingdom
I would take about as much notice of Wikipedia as I would of Boris
Johnson - with both being about as reliable and trustworthy as each other.
So Wikipedia is lying, then?
Wikipedia doesn't write the articles to be found there.
Col
2020-07-09 07:56:06 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians_in_the_United_Kingdom
I would take about as much notice of Wikipedia as I would of Boris
Johnson - with both being about as reliable and trustworthy as each other.
So Wikipedia is lying, then?
Wikipedia doesn't write the articles to be found there.
Alright Mr pedantic, I know that.
But it does *publish* them.
--
Col
JNugent
2020-07-09 12:06:47 UTC
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Post by Col
Post by JNugent
Post by Col
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Col
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians_in_the_United_Kingdom
I would take about as much notice of Wikipedia as I would of Boris
Johnson - with both being about as reliable and trustworthy as each other.
So Wikipedia is lying, then?
Wikipedia doesn't write the articles to be found there.
Alright Mr pedantic, I know that.
But it does *publish* them.
Is that really the correct term?

Wikipedia does not even claim to have control over its content.

If you wanted to create or edit a Wikipedia page to say something
controversial - possibly even illegal - you could do so straight away.
Maybe Wikipedia would do something about it if it were later brought to
their attention, but to call them the "publisher", when the term has
always previously meant a person or other entity which has made material
available only *after* considering, weighing and perhaps editing it,
seems OTT.
Col
2020-07-09 14:25:44 UTC
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians_in_the_United_Kingdom
I would take about as much notice of Wikipedia as I would of Boris
Johnson - with both being about as reliable and trustworthy as each other.
So Wikipedia is lying, then?
Wikipedia doesn't write the articles to be found there.
Alright Mr pedantic, I know that.
But it does *publish* them.
Is that really the correct term?
Wikipedia does not even claim to have control over its content.
No surprise there, we all know that anyone can edit (subject to the
various padlocks) an article. I've even done it myself.
Post by JNugent
If you wanted to create or edit a Wikipedia page to say something
controversial - possibly even illegal - you could do so straight away.
Maybe Wikipedia would do something about it if it were later brought to
their attention, but to call them the "publisher", when the term has
always previously meant a person or other entity which has made material
available only *after* considering, weighing and perhaps editing it,
seems OTT.
That is an outdated definition from when 'publishing' meant printing
paper copies of a book, newspaper or magazine. Wikipedia act as the
conduit for the dissemination of such material and as thus can quite
reasonably be called it's publisher.
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Col
JNugent
2020-07-09 14:57:04 UTC
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians_in_the_United_Kingdom
I would take about as much notice of Wikipedia as I would of Boris
Johnson - with both being about as reliable and trustworthy as each other.
So Wikipedia is lying, then?
Wikipedia doesn't write the articles to be found there.
Alright Mr pedantic, I know that.
But it does *publish* them.
Is that really the correct term?
Wikipedia does not even claim to have control over its content.
No surprise there, we all know that anyone can edit (subject to the
various padlocks) an article. I've even done it myself.
Post by JNugent
If you wanted to create or edit a Wikipedia page to say something
controversial - possibly even illegal - you could do so straight away.
Maybe Wikipedia would do something about it if it were later brought
to their attention, but to call them the "publisher", when the term
has always previously meant a person or other entity which has made
material available only *after* considering, weighing and perhaps
editing it, seems OTT.
That is an outdated definition from when 'publishing' meant printing
paper copies of a book, newspaper or magazine. Wikipedia act as the
conduit for the dissemination of such material and as thus can quite
reasonably be called it's publisher.
Even if they have a policy of not allowing certain things to be
reproduced on their website?
Col
2020-07-10 07:37:11 UTC
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That is an outdated definition from when 'publishing' meant printing
paper copies of a book, newspaper or magazine. Wikipedia act as the
conduit for the dissemination of such material and as thus can quite
reasonably be called it's publisher.
Even if they have a policy of not allowing certain things to be
reproduced on their website?
Of course.
You don't necessarily have to proof-read something in order for it to be
published.
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Col
Pamela
2020-07-03 10:03:37 UTC
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  The offer to 3m HK residents to live here is
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symbolic, a headline-grabbing initiative intended to highlight what
is going on there but will have little (if any) noticeable effect on
immigration to the UK.
I think we've heard that one before.
Indeed we have. Remember when restrictions on immigration were lifted
and certain newspapers had hysterical headlines about vast hordes of
Romanian migrants coming over here, and it never happened.
Really, how do you know? There's more of everything here than you
think. They may not be in Scotland, but they're certainly down here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians_in_the_United_Kingdom
427,000, though the rate of increase has dropped markedly in the last
couple of years. Nowhere near 3m and a tiny proportion of a country with
a population of around 67m. Though I do of course appreciate they aren't
equally distributed.
427,000 is a massive number, especially as most of those Romanians came only
in recent years.

By comparison that's the same as the total number of Chinese currently living
in the UK: 433,150 at the last census.
Keema's Nan
2020-07-03 11:24:49 UTC
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The offer to 3m HK residents to live here is
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symbolic, a headline-grabbing initiative intended to highlight what
is going on there but will have little (if any) noticeable effect on
immigration to the UK.
I think we've heard that one before.
Indeed we have. Remember when restrictions on immigration were lifted
and certain newspapers had hysterical headlines about vast hordes of
Romanian migrants coming over here, and it never happened.
Really, how do you know? There's more of everything here than you
think. They may not be in Scotland, but they're certainly down here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians_in_the_United_Kingdom
427,000, though the rate of increase has dropped markedly in the last
couple of years. Nowhere near 3m and a tiny proportion of a country with
a population of around 67m. Though I do of course appreciate they aren't
equally distributed.
427,000 is a massive number, especially as most of those Romanians came only
in recent years.
Exactly, and I think most people would agree that number is a vast hoard.
Therefore the newspaper headlines may have been hysterical, but they were
correct to many peoples’ eyes.
Post by Pamela
By comparison that's the same as the total number of Chinese currently living
in the UK: 433,150 at the last census.
Col
2020-07-03 13:09:56 UTC
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  The offer to 3m HK residents to live here is
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symbolic, a headline-grabbing initiative intended to highlight what
is going on there but will have little (if any) noticeable effect on
immigration to the UK.
I think we've heard that one before.
Indeed we have. Remember when restrictions on immigration were lifted
and certain newspapers had hysterical headlines about vast hordes of
Romanian migrants coming over here, and it never happened.
Really, how do you know? There's more of everything here than you
think. They may not be in Scotland, but they're certainly down here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians_in_the_United_Kingdom
427,000, though the rate of increase has dropped markedly in the last
couple of years. Nowhere near 3m and a tiny proportion of a country with
a population of around 67m. Though I do of course appreciate they aren't
equally distributed.
427,000 is a massive number, especially as most of those Romanians came only
in recent years.
Well we could argue ad infinitum over what constitutes a massive number
or indeed 'hordes' and I certainly don't intend to do that.
Post by Pamela
By comparison that's the same as the total number of Chinese currently living
in the UK: 433,150 at the last census.
The Romanian comparison was really only meant to be in relation to the
'3 million Chinese could come to the UK' subject line of this thread and
the headlines that no doubt would be generated from that.
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Col
Keema's Nan
2020-07-03 13:37:46 UTC
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The offer to 3m HK residents to live here is
Post by Col
symbolic, a headline-grabbing initiative intended to highlight what
is going on there but will have little (if any) noticeable effect on
immigration to the UK.
I think we've heard that one before.
Indeed we have. Remember when restrictions on immigration were lifted
and certain newspapers had hysterical headlines about vast hordes of
Romanian migrants coming over here, and it never happened.
Really, how do you know? There's more of everything here than you
think. They may not be in Scotland, but they're certainly down here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians_in_the_United_Kingdom
427,000, though the rate of increase has dropped markedly in the last
couple of years. Nowhere near 3m and a tiny proportion of a country with
a population of around 67m. Though I do of course appreciate they aren't
equally distributed.
427,000 is a massive number, especially as most of those Romanians came only
in recent years.
Well we could argue ad infinitum over what constitutes a massive number
or indeed 'hordes' and I certainly don't intend to do that.
We could argue ad infinitum, but as you were the one who stated that the
‘vast hordes’ coming over here never happened, it is up to you to clarify
what you had in mind when posting that phrase.

I think that if the newspapers had said there would be the equivalent of an
additional city the size of Leicester, comprising only Romanian citizens by
2020, most genuine English people would have been shocked at what the
expansion of the EU meant for a small overpopulated island with a highly
sought after benefits/welfare system.

I watched a tv programme on the Basque area of Spain recently, and the
commentary was emphasising their love of their historic culture. Try that in
England and you would probably be jailed for being racist, or a nazi, or
both.
Post by Col
Post by Pamela
By comparison that's the same as the total number of Chinese currently living
in the UK: 433,150 at the last census.
The Romanian comparison was really only meant to be in relation to the
'3 million Chinese could come to the UK' subject line of this thread and
the headlines that no doubt would be generated from that.
Col
2020-07-03 14:12:28 UTC
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The offer to 3m HK residents to live here is
Post by Col
symbolic, a headline-grabbing initiative intended to highlight what
is going on there but will have little (if any) noticeable effect on
immigration to the UK.
I think we've heard that one before.
Indeed we have. Remember when restrictions on immigration were lifted
and certain newspapers had hysterical headlines about vast hordes of
Romanian migrants coming over here, and it never happened.
Really, how do you know? There's more of everything here than you
think. They may not be in Scotland, but they're certainly down here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians_in_the_United_Kingdom
427,000, though the rate of increase has dropped markedly in the last
couple of years. Nowhere near 3m and a tiny proportion of a country with
a population of around 67m. Though I do of course appreciate they aren't
equally distributed.
427,000 is a massive number, especially as most of those Romanians came only
in recent years.
Well we could argue ad infinitum over what constitutes a massive number
or indeed 'hordes' and I certainly don't intend to do that.
We could argue ad infinitum, but as you were the one who stated that the
‘vast hordes’ coming over here never happened, it is up to you to clarify
what you had in mind when posting that phrase.
That's a fair point.
I'd consider it to be in the millions, rather than the hundreds of
thousands. But like I said, this was meant to be in relation to the 3m
Chinese that could be coming here.
Post by Keema's Nan
I think that if the newspapers had said there would be the equivalent of an
additional city the size of Leicester, comprising only Romanian citizens by
2020, most genuine English people would have been shocked at what the
expansion of the EU meant for a small overpopulated island with a highly
sought after benefits/welfare system.
And what of the 'fake' English people?
Post by Keema's Nan
I watched a tv programme on the Basque area of Spain recently, and the
commentary was emphasising their love of their historic culture. Try that in
England and you would probably be jailed for being racist, or a nazi, or
both.
It depends how you go about it. It is perfectly possible to express a
love for your historic culture without being racist.
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Keema's Nan
2020-07-03 08:45:12 UTC
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The only way we should get involved is part of any UN sanctions.
Sanctions against an economy the size of China would end up hurting
everybody. The world economy is crippled enough as it is.
What do you suppose we do then, send a gunboat up the Yangtze?
3rd Opium War, anyone?
Post by Farmer Giles
We can do nothing. China violates human rights all over the place,
live with it or die with it. Not our problem - and I'm sick of paying
for the actions of stupid people in the 19th century. Perhaps your
family were one of the exploiters, most of mine were near starving.
I know we can, in effect, do nothing. That's why I made mention of
'gesture politics' in my initial post. We can register our disapproval
as what is going on in Hong Kong but as to changing it I can see
little we can practically do.
Ok, I've registered my disapproval. I'm sure the Chinese will climb down
now.
So what do you suggest, say nothing because we can't really do anything
to stop China?
Post by Farmer Giles
The offer to 3m HK residents to live here is
Post by Col
symbolic, a headline-grabbing initiative intended to highlight what is
going on there but will have little (if any) noticeable effect on
immigration to the UK.
I think we've heard that one before.
Indeed we have. Remember when restrictions on immigration were lifted
and certain newspapers had hysterical headlines about vast hordes of
Romanian migrants coming over here, and it never happened.
Did it not?

Romanians in the United Kingdom refers to the phenomenon of Romanian people
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians)moving to the United Kingdom
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom)as citizens or non-citizen
immigrants, along with British citizens of Romanian ancestry.

The number of Romanian-born people resident in the UK has risen from 83,168
at the time of the 2011 Census to an estimated 427,000 in 2019.
JNugent
2020-07-08 16:43:38 UTC
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The only way we should get involved is part of any UN sanctions.
Sanctions against an economy the size of China would end up hurting
everybody. The world economy is crippled enough as it is.
What do you suppose we do then, send a gunboat up the Yangtze?
3rd Opium War, anyone?
Post by Farmer Giles
We can do nothing. China violates human rights all over the place,
live with it or die with it. Not our problem - and I'm sick of
paying for the actions of stupid people in the 19th century. Perhaps
your family were one of the exploiters, most of mine were near
starving.
I know we can, in effect, do nothing. That's why I made mention of
'gesture politics' in my initial post. We can register our
disapproval as what is going on in Hong Kong but as to changing it I
can see little we can practically do.
Ok, I've registered my disapproval. I'm sure the Chinese will climb
down now.
So what do you suggest, say nothing because we can't really do anything
to stop China?
Post by Farmer Giles
  The offer to 3m HK residents to live here is
Post by Col
symbolic, a headline-grabbing initiative intended to highlight what
is going on there but will have little (if any) noticeable effect on
immigration to the UK.
I think we've heard that one before.
Indeed we have. Remember when restrictions on immigration were lifted
and certain newspapers had hysterical headlines about vast hordes of
Romanian migrants coming over here, and it never happened.
Out of interest, how big does a horde have to be before you class it as
"vast"?>
Col
2020-07-09 07:40:56 UTC
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The only way we should get involved is part of any UN sanctions.
Sanctions against an economy the size of China would end up
hurting everybody. The world economy is crippled enough as it is.
What do you suppose we do then, send a gunboat up the Yangtze?
3rd Opium War, anyone?
Post by Farmer Giles
We can do nothing. China violates human rights all over the place,
live with it or die with it. Not our problem - and I'm sick of
paying for the actions of stupid people in the 19th century.
Perhaps your family were one of the exploiters, most of mine were
near starving.
I know we can, in effect, do nothing. That's why I made mention of
'gesture politics' in my initial post. We can register our
disapproval as what is going on in Hong Kong but as to changing it I
can see little we can practically do.
Ok, I've registered my disapproval. I'm sure the Chinese will climb
down now.
So what do you suggest, say nothing because we can't really do
anything to stop China?
Post by Farmer Giles
  The offer to 3m HK residents to live here is
Post by Col
symbolic, a headline-grabbing initiative intended to highlight what
is going on there but will have little (if any) noticeable effect on
immigration to the UK.
I think we've heard that one before.
Indeed we have. Remember when restrictions on immigration were lifted
and certain newspapers had hysterical headlines about vast hordes of
Romanian migrants coming over here, and it never happened.
Out of interest, how big does a horde have to be before you class it as
"vast"?>
Dunno, ask The Daily Mail.
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JNugent
2020-07-09 12:01:30 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
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Post by Farmer Giles
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Post by Farmer Giles
The only way we should get involved is part of any UN sanctions.
Sanctions against an economy the size of China would end up
hurting everybody. The world economy is crippled enough as it is.
What do you suppose we do then, send a gunboat up the Yangtze?
3rd Opium War, anyone?
Post by Farmer Giles
We can do nothing. China violates human rights all over the place,
live with it or die with it. Not our problem - and I'm sick of
paying for the actions of stupid people in the 19th century.
Perhaps your family were one of the exploiters, most of mine were
near starving.
I know we can, in effect, do nothing. That's why I made mention of
'gesture politics' in my initial post. We can register our
disapproval as what is going on in Hong Kong but as to changing it
I can see little we can practically do.
Ok, I've registered my disapproval. I'm sure the Chinese will climb
down now.
So what do you suggest, say nothing because we can't really do
anything to stop China?
Post by Farmer Giles
  The offer to 3m HK residents to live here is
Post by Col
symbolic, a headline-grabbing initiative intended to highlight what
is going on there but will have little (if any) noticeable effect
on immigration to the UK.
I think we've heard that one before.
Indeed we have. Remember when restrictions on immigration were lifted
and certain newspapers had hysterical headlines about vast hordes of
Romanian migrants coming over here, and it never happened.
Out of interest, how big does a horde have to be before you class it
as "vast"?>
Dunno, ask The Daily Mail.
I ask because the numbers of Romanians who have "settled" in Britain
(which I understand is in the hundreds of thousands and running up
towards half a million) would unquestionably constitute a "horde" as the
word is commonly understood. AAMOF, a tenth of that number could still
be a "horde".

I was wondering how it could be that a horde equal to about 0.7% of the
entire population could not be described as "vast".

It would certainly sound like a vast horde to most people, I suggest,
which would rather undermine your claim that it never happened.
Col
2020-07-09 14:33:36 UTC
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Dunno, ask The Daily Mail.
I ask because the numbers of Romanians who have "settled" in Britain
(which I understand is in the hundreds of thousands and running up
towards half a million) would unquestionably constitute a "horde" as the
word is commonly understood. AAMOF, a tenth of that number could still
be a "horde".
I hadn't realised there was an official definition as to what
constitutes a 'horde'.
Post by JNugent
I was wondering how it could be that a horde equal to about 0.7% of the
entire population could not be described as "vast".
My God, 7 in 1000 people here are Romanian, grab yer pitchforks and man
the barricades!
Post by JNugent
It would certainly sound like a vast horde to most people, I suggest,
which would rather undermine your claim that it never happened.
Most of whom arrived over a 10 year period, not all at once.
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Col
JNugent
2020-07-09 14:59:02 UTC
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Dunno, ask The Daily Mail.
I ask because the numbers of Romanians who have "settled" in Britain
(which I understand is in the hundreds of thousands and running up
towards half a million) would unquestionably constitute a "horde" as
the word is commonly understood. AAMOF, a tenth of that number could
still be a "horde".
I hadn't realised there was an official definition as to what
constitutes a 'horde'.
Post by JNugent
I was wondering how it could be that a horde equal to about 0.7% of
the entire population could not be described as "vast".
My God, 7 in 1000 people here are Romanian, grab yer pitchforks and man
the barricades!
After day 1 (or even day 10) of Operation Sealion, would there have been
as many German servicemen in the UK?
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Post by JNugent
It would certainly sound like a vast horde to most people, I suggest,
which would rather undermine your claim that it never happened.
Most of whom arrived over a 10 year period, not all at once.
How does that stop 400,000+ from being a horde, or even a vast horde?
Col
2020-07-10 07:35:27 UTC
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Dunno, ask The Daily Mail.
I ask because the numbers of Romanians who have "settled" in Britain
(which I understand is in the hundreds of thousands and running up
towards half a million) would unquestionably constitute a "horde" as
the word is commonly understood. AAMOF, a tenth of that number could
still be a "horde".
I hadn't realised there was an official definition as to what
constitutes a 'horde'.
Post by JNugent
I was wondering how it could be that a horde equal to about 0.7% of
the entire population could not be described as "vast".
My God, 7 in 1000 people here are Romanian, grab yer pitchforks and
man the barricades!
After day 1 (or even day 10) of Operation Sealion, would there have been
as many German servicemen in the UK?
Ah, an 'invasion' comparison.
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Post by Col
Post by JNugent
It would certainly sound like a vast horde to most people, I suggest,
which would rather undermine your claim that it never happened.
Most of whom arrived over a 10 year period, not all at once.
How does that stop 400,000+ from being a horde, or even a vast horde?
What if they arrived over 20 years, 50 or even 100?
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Col
JNugent
2020-07-10 13:29:23 UTC
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Dunno, ask The Daily Mail.
I ask because the numbers of Romanians who have "settled" in Britain
(which I understand is in the hundreds of thousands and running up
towards half a million) would unquestionably constitute a "horde" as
the word is commonly understood. AAMOF, a tenth of that number could
still be a "horde".
I hadn't realised there was an official definition as to what
constitutes a 'horde'.
Post by JNugent
I was wondering how it could be that a horde equal to about 0.7% of
the entire population could not be described as "vast".
My God, 7 in 1000 people here are Romanian, grab yer pitchforks and
man the barricades!
After day 1 (or even day 10) of Operation Sealion, would there have
been as many German servicemen in the UK?
Ah, an 'invasion' comparison.
Would the UK have just allowed it without violent resisitance, on the
basis that it wasn't either a "horde" or "vast"?
Post by Col
Post by JNugent
Post by Col
Post by JNugent
It would certainly sound like a vast horde to most people, I
suggest, which would rather undermine your claim that it never
happened.
Most of whom arrived over a 10 year period, not all at once.
How does that stop 400,000+ from being a horde, or even a vast horde?
What if they arrived over 20 years, 50 or even 100?
Why not answer mine first?
Col
2020-07-10 15:38:08 UTC
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Post by Col
Ah, an 'invasion' comparison.
Would the UK have just allowed it without violent resisitance, on the
basis that it wasn't either a "horde" or "vast"?
Now you are just being silly.
They are two completely different situations.
Post by JNugent
Post by Col
Post by JNugent
Post by Col
Post by JNugent
It would certainly sound like a vast horde to most people, I
suggest, which would rather undermine your claim that it never
happened.
Most of whom arrived over a 10 year period, not all at once.
How does that stop 400,000+ from being a horde, or even a vast horde?
What if they arrived over 20 years, 50 or even 100?
Why not answer mine first?
400,000 isn't a horde over 10 years, but as there is no official
definition that's just my opinion of course.

Now answer my question.
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Col
JNugent
2020-07-10 15:53:54 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by Col
Ah, an 'invasion' comparison.
Would the UK have just allowed it without violent resisitance, on the
basis that it wasn't either a "horde" or "vast"?
Now you are just being silly.
They are two completely different situations.
The numbers are significant. It is not likely that a Britain beaten by
Germany in 1940 would have been occupied by half a million German troops.
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Post by JNugent
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Post by JNugent
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Post by JNugent
It would certainly sound like a vast horde to most people, I
suggest, which would rather undermine your claim that it never
happened.
Most of whom arrived over a 10 year period, not all at once.
How does that stop 400,000+ from being a horde, or even a vast horde?
What if they arrived over 20 years, 50 or even 100?
Why not answer mine first?
400,000 isn't a horde over 10 years, but as there is no official
definition that's just my opinion of course.
Now answer my question.
The number is what is important. They weren't a "vast horde" ten seconds
after midnight on the day that Blair's Law came into force. But 425,000
and increasing *is* a vast horde (unless you can show different). The
time over which the migration has taken place isn't relevant.
Keema's Nan
2020-07-10 17:22:38 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by Col
Ah, an 'invasion' comparison.
Would the UK have just allowed it without violent resisitance, on the
basis that it wasn't either a "horde" or "vast"?
Now you are just being silly.
They are two completely different situations.
Post by JNugent
Post by Col
Post by JNugent
Post by Col
Post by JNugent
It would certainly sound like a vast horde to most people, I
suggest, which would rather undermine your claim that it never
happened.
Most of whom arrived over a 10 year period, not all at once.
How does that stop 400,000+ from being a horde, or even a vast horde?
What if they arrived over 20 years, 50 or even 100?
Why not answer mine first?
400,000 isn't a horde over 10 years,
Yes it is.

That is still 40,000 Romanians in a year; every year for a decade.

Where have they gone (in the UK) and what are they doing?
Post by Col
but as there is no official
definition that's just my opinion of course.
Now answer my question.
RH156RH
2020-07-02 06:56:12 UTC
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Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
Jul 1 (12 hours ago)
The 3 million figure will not be the total figure of Hong Kongers allowed to come to the UK under Boris Johnson's scheme because

1. Those qualified will be allowed to bring in deponents

2. Any UK government would most probably allow in Hong Kongers who are not they are qualified under Johnson's scheme if China treats Hong Kongers badly.

This is yet another betrayal of the people of this country by the political elite . Mass immigration is conquest by non-military means.

Mass immigration is a form of theft . It robs the native population of the UK because it creates competition for housing, healthcare, education, jobs and most fundamentally the right of the British to enjoy their country without having to worry about their culture being diluted RH
Keema's Nan
2020-07-02 08:21:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by RH156RH
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
Jul 1 (12 hours ago)
The 3 million figure will not be the total figure of Hong Kongers allowed to
come to the UK under Boris Johnson's scheme because
1. Those qualified will be allowed to bring in deponents
2. Any UK government would most probably allow in Hong Kongers who are not
they are qualified under Johnson's scheme if China treats Hong Kongers badly.
This is yet another betrayal of the people of this country by the political
elite . Mass immigration is conquest by non-military means.
Mass immigration is a form of theft . It robs the native population of the UK
because it creates competition for housing, healthcare, education, jobs and
most fundamentally the right of the British to enjoy their country without
having to worry about their culture being diluted RH
Gung Hei Fat Choi
abelard
2020-07-02 10:35:17 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 23:56:12 -0700 (PDT), RH156RH
Post by RH156RH
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
Jul 1 (12 hours ago)
The 3 million figure will not be the total figure of Hong Kongers allowed to come to the UK under Boris Johnson's scheme because
1. Those qualified will be allowed to bring in deponents
2. Any UK government would most probably allow in Hong Kongers who are not they are qualified under Johnson's scheme if China treats Hong Kongers badly.
This is yet another betrayal of the people of this country by the political elite . Mass immigration is conquest by non-military means.
Mass immigration is a form of theft . It robs the native population of the UK because it creates competition for housing, healthcare, education, jobs and most fundamentally the right of the British to enjoy their country without having to worry about their culture being diluted RH
it's 'betrayal' i tell eee....'betrayal'

booo boooo

boo hoo boo hoo

made your fundament choice when you voted for bliar...

at least any chinese who are allowed to escape will work...
and thus built even more houses...
or live ten to a room
Keema's Nan
2020-07-02 11:12:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by abelard
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 23:56:12 -0700 (PDT), RH156RH
Post by RH156RH
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
Jul 1 (12 hours ago)
The 3 million figure will not be the total figure of Hong Kongers allowed
to come to the UK under Boris Johnson's scheme because
1. Those qualified will be allowed to bring in deponents
2. Any UK government would most probably allow in Hong Kongers who are not
they are qualified under Johnson's scheme if China treats Hong Kongers
badly.
This is yet another betrayal of the people of this country by the political
elite . Mass immigration is conquest by non-military means.
Mass immigration is a form of theft . It robs the native population of the
UK because it creates competition for housing, healthcare, education, jobs
and most fundamentally the right of the British to enjoy their country
without having to worry about their culture being diluted RH
it's 'betrayal' i tell eee....'betrayal'
booo boooo
boo hoo boo hoo
made your fundament choice when you voted for bliar...
Isn’t it strange that a PM who left the job 15 years ago is still seen as a
convenient mummy’s skirt for the incompetents to hide under, when they are
accused of doing nothing about any problem.

“Please sir, it was the old head boy’s fault from 1997. Our hands are
tied by his legacy, sir"
Post by abelard
at least any chinese who are allowed to escape will work...
and thus built even more houses...
or live ten to a room
abelard
2020-07-02 11:20:39 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 12:12:42 +0100, Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 23:56:12 -0700 (PDT), RH156RH
Post by RH156RH
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
Jul 1 (12 hours ago)
The 3 million figure will not be the total figure of Hong Kongers allowed
to come to the UK under Boris Johnson's scheme because
1. Those qualified will be allowed to bring in deponents
2. Any UK government would most probably allow in Hong Kongers who are not
they are qualified under Johnson's scheme if China treats Hong Kongers
badly.
This is yet another betrayal of the people of this country by the political
elite . Mass immigration is conquest by non-military means.
Mass immigration is a form of theft . It robs the native population of the
UK because it creates competition for housing, healthcare, education, jobs
and most fundamentally the right of the British to enjoy their country
without having to worry about their culture being diluted RH
it's 'betrayal' i tell eee....'betrayal'
booo boooo
boo hoo boo hoo
made your fundament choice when you voted for bliar...
Isn’t it strange that a PM who left the job 15 years ago is still seen as a
convenient mummy’s skirt for the incompetents to hide under, when they are
accused of doing nothing about any problem.
“Please sir, it was the old head boy’s fault from 1997. Our hands are
tied by his legacy, sir"
those bliar invited in are still here...having baybees

and inviting their cousins

old sins cast long shadows
Keema's Nan
2020-07-02 11:43:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by abelard
On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 12:12:42 +0100, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 23:56:12 -0700 (PDT), RH156RH
Post by RH156RH
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
Jul 1 (12 hours ago)
The 3 million figure will not be the total figure of Hong Kongers allowed
to come to the UK under Boris Johnson's scheme because
1. Those qualified will be allowed to bring in deponents
2. Any UK government would most probably allow in Hong Kongers who are not
they are qualified under Johnson's scheme if China treats Hong Kongers
badly.
This is yet another betrayal of the people of this country by the political
elite . Mass immigration is conquest by non-military means.
Mass immigration is a form of theft . It robs the native population of the
UK because it creates competition for housing, healthcare, education, jobs
and most fundamentally the right of the British to enjoy their country
without having to worry about their culture being diluted RH
it's 'betrayal' i tell eee....'betrayal'
booo boooo
boo hoo boo hoo
made your fundament choice when you voted for bliar...
Isn’t it strange that a PM who left the job 15 years ago is still seen as a
convenient mummy’s skirt for the incompetents to hide under, when they are
accused of doing nothing about any problem.
“Please sir, it was the old head boy’s fault from 1997. Our hands are
tied by his legacy, sir"
those bliar invited in are still here...having baybees
If you don’t like that, go somewhere else.

I gather the Democratic Republic Of Congo is very unpopulated with Blair’s
baybees.
Post by abelard
and inviting their cousins
old sins cast long shadows
abelard
2020-07-02 16:35:25 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 12:43:12 +0100, Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 12:12:42 +0100, Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 23:56:12 -0700 (PDT), RH156RH
Post by RH156RH
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority
group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
Jul 1 (12 hours ago)
The 3 million figure will not be the total figure of Hong Kongers allowed
to come to the UK under Boris Johnson's scheme because
1. Those qualified will be allowed to bring in deponents
2. Any UK government would most probably allow in Hong Kongers who are not
they are qualified under Johnson's scheme if China treats Hong Kongers
badly.
This is yet another betrayal of the people of this country by the political
elite . Mass immigration is conquest by non-military means.
Mass immigration is a form of theft . It robs the native population of the
UK because it creates competition for housing, healthcare, education, jobs
and most fundamentally the right of the British to enjoy their country
without having to worry about their culture being diluted RH
it's 'betrayal' i tell eee....'betrayal'
booo boooo
boo hoo boo hoo
made your fundament choice when you voted for bliar...
Isn’t it strange that a PM who left the job 15 years ago is still seen as a
convenient mummy’s skirt for the incompetents to hide under, when they are
accused of doing nothing about any problem.
“Please sir, it was the old head boy’s fault from 1997. Our hands are
tied by his legacy, sir"
those bliar invited in are still here...having baybees
If you don’t like that, go somewhere else.
i did
I gather the Democratic Republic Of Congo is very unpopulated with Blair’s
baybees.
more damned socialists
Post by abelard
and inviting their cousins
old sins cast long shadows
Keema's Nan
2020-07-02 17:41:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by abelard
On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 12:43:12 +0100, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 12:12:42 +0100, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 23:56:12 -0700 (PDT), RH156RH
Post by RH156RH
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority
group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
Jul 1 (12 hours ago)
The 3 million figure will not be the total figure of Hong Kongers
allowed
to come to the UK under Boris Johnson's scheme because
1. Those qualified will be allowed to bring in deponents
2. Any UK government would most probably allow in Hong Kongers who are
not
they are qualified under Johnson's scheme if China treats Hong Kongers
badly.
This is yet another betrayal of the people of this country by the
political
elite . Mass immigration is conquest by non-military means.
Mass immigration is a form of theft . It robs the native population of
the
UK because it creates competition for housing, healthcare, education,
jobs
and most fundamentally the right of the British to enjoy their country
without having to worry about their culture being diluted RH
it's 'betrayal' i tell eee....'betrayal'
booo boooo
boo hoo boo hoo
made your fundament choice when you voted for bliar...
Isn’t it strange that a PM who left the job 15 years ago is still seen
as
a
convenient mummy’s skirt for the incompetents to hide under, when they are
accused of doing nothing about any problem.
“Please sir, it was the old head boy’s fault from 1997. Our hands are
tied by his legacy, sir"
those bliar invited in are still here...having baybees
If you don’t like that, go somewhere else.
i did
In which case, the claim that “those bliar invited in are still here”
makes no sense, unless you are here as well.

If you are here, you can’t be somewhere else.
Post by abelard
Post by Keema's Nan
I gather the Democratic Republic Of Congo is very unpopulated with Blair’s
baybees.
more damned socialists
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
and inviting their cousins
old sins cast long shadows
Custos Custodum
2020-07-03 23:19:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by abelard
On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 12:12:42 +0100, Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 23:56:12 -0700 (PDT), RH156RH
Post by RH156RH
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
Jul 1 (12 hours ago)
The 3 million figure will not be the total figure of Hong Kongers allowed
to come to the UK under Boris Johnson's scheme because
1. Those qualified will be allowed to bring in deponents
2. Any UK government would most probably allow in Hong Kongers who are not
they are qualified under Johnson's scheme if China treats Hong Kongers
badly.
This is yet another betrayal of the people of this country by the political
elite . Mass immigration is conquest by non-military means.
Mass immigration is a form of theft . It robs the native population of the
UK because it creates competition for housing, healthcare, education, jobs
and most fundamentally the right of the British to enjoy their country
without having to worry about their culture being diluted RH
it's 'betrayal' i tell eee....'betrayal'
booo boooo
boo hoo boo hoo
made your fundament choice when you voted for bliar...
Isn’t it strange that a PM who left the job 15 years ago is still seen as a
convenient mummy’s skirt for the incompetents to hide under, when they are
accused of doing nothing about any problem.
“Please sir, it was the old head boy’s fault from 1997. Our hands are
tied by his legacy, sir"
those bliar invited in are still here.
"Here"? Another Freudian slip, methinks.
Keema's Nan
2020-07-04 07:38:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Custos Custodum
Post by abelard
On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 12:12:42 +0100, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 23:56:12 -0700 (PDT), RH156RH
Post by RH156RH
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority
group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
Jul 1 (12 hours ago)
The 3 million figure will not be the total figure of Hong Kongers allowed
to come to the UK under Boris Johnson's scheme because
1. Those qualified will be allowed to bring in deponents
2. Any UK government would most probably allow in Hong Kongers who are not
they are qualified under Johnson's scheme if China treats Hong Kongers
badly.
This is yet another betrayal of the people of this country by the political
elite . Mass immigration is conquest by non-military means.
Mass immigration is a form of theft . It robs the native population of the
UK because it creates competition for housing, healthcare, education, jobs
and most fundamentally the right of the British to enjoy their country
without having to worry about their culture being diluted RH
it's 'betrayal' i tell eee....'betrayal'
booo boooo
boo hoo boo hoo
made your fundament choice when you voted for bliar...
Isn’t it strange that a PM who left the job 15 years ago is still seen as a
convenient mummy’s skirt for the incompetents to hide under, when they are
accused of doing nothing about any problem.
“Please sir, it was the old head boy’s fault from 1997. Our hands are
tied by his legacy, sir"
those bliar invited in are still here.
"Here"? Another Freudian slip, methinks.
Which is what I hinted at previously, but Lardy seemed to go all shy on me.
Incubus
2020-07-02 13:54:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by abelard
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 23:56:12 -0700 (PDT), RH156RH
Post by RH156RH
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
Jul 1 (12 hours ago)
The 3 million figure will not be the total figure of Hong Kongers allowed to come to the UK under Boris Johnson's scheme because
1. Those qualified will be allowed to bring in deponents
2. Any UK government would most probably allow in Hong Kongers who are not they are qualified under Johnson's scheme if China treats Hong Kongers badly.
This is yet another betrayal of the people of this country by the political elite . Mass immigration is conquest by non-military means.
Mass immigration is a form of theft . It robs the native population of the UK because it creates competition for housing, healthcare, education, jobs and most fundamentally the right of the British to enjoy their country without having to worry about their culture being diluted RH
it's 'betrayal' i tell eee....'betrayal'
booo boooo
boo hoo boo hoo
made your fundament choice when you voted for bliar...
at least any chinese who are allowed to escape will work...
and thus built even more houses...
or live ten to a room
It's certainly not what I voted for when we were promised that they would take
control of our borders and implement a strict points-based system.

It's just another example of business leaders being able to subvert democracy.
As Boris said, "Fuck business". He really is bending over for them.
abelard
2020-07-02 20:37:57 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 13:54:41 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
Post by Incubus
Post by abelard
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 23:56:12 -0700 (PDT), RH156RH
Post by RH156RH
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
Jul 1 (12 hours ago)
The 3 million figure will not be the total figure of Hong Kongers allowed to come to the UK under Boris Johnson's scheme because
1. Those qualified will be allowed to bring in deponents
2. Any UK government would most probably allow in Hong Kongers who are not they are qualified under Johnson's scheme if China treats Hong Kongers badly.
This is yet another betrayal of the people of this country by the political elite . Mass immigration is conquest by non-military means.
Mass immigration is a form of theft . It robs the native population of the UK because it creates competition for housing, healthcare, education, jobs and most fundamentally the right of the British to enjoy their country without having to worry about their culture being diluted RH
it's 'betrayal' i tell eee....'betrayal'
booo boooo
boo hoo boo hoo
made your fundament choice when you voted for bliar...
at least any chinese who are allowed to escape will work...
and thus built even more houses...
or live ten to a room
It's certainly not what I voted for when we were promised that they would take
control of our borders and implement a strict points-based system.
are you uggesting he won't bring a point system in?

though he has been a bit busy!
Post by Incubus
It's just another example of business leaders being able to subvert democracy.
As Boris said, "Fuck business". He really is bending over for them.
Incubus
2020-07-03 08:55:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by abelard
On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 13:54:41 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
Post by Incubus
Post by abelard
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 23:56:12 -0700 (PDT), RH156RH
Post by RH156RH
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
Jul 1 (12 hours ago)
The 3 million figure will not be the total figure of Hong Kongers allowed to come to the UK under Boris Johnson's scheme because
1. Those qualified will be allowed to bring in deponents
2. Any UK government would most probably allow in Hong Kongers who are not they are qualified under Johnson's scheme if China treats Hong Kongers badly.
This is yet another betrayal of the people of this country by the political elite . Mass immigration is conquest by non-military means.
Mass immigration is a form of theft . It robs the native population of the UK because it creates competition for housing, healthcare, education, jobs and most fundamentally the right of the British to enjoy their country without having to worry about their culture being diluted RH
it's 'betrayal' i tell eee....'betrayal'
booo boooo
boo hoo boo hoo
made your fundament choice when you voted for bliar...
at least any chinese who are allowed to escape will work...
and thus built even more houses...
or live ten to a room
It's certainly not what I voted for when we were promised that they would take
control of our borders and implement a strict points-based system.
are you uggesting he won't bring a point system in?
No. I'm suggesting there's no point having such a system if it can be
circumvented so easily.
A. Filip
2020-07-03 11:45:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pamela
Boris has offered 3 million Hong Kong Chinese a change to settle in the
UK.
So this is what taking back control of our borders means in practice.
After that, blacks or Pakistani/Indians won't be the largest minority group
any more. Will we get Chinese people in almost every BBC programme?
IMHO He assumes the worst case scenario of 10% (300_000) over a few+ years.
He is most likely right but it is not a risk free bet.
--
A. Filip
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