decline

You folks are both a caricature in the reality about the modern US.

Your irrepressible Russia passions is what looks really comic.

I told you this already, vodka brand... Russia scares me like a Chihuahua
does... I have no interest or fear of Russia.. I will give
you the USA redneck answer voiced by our Mattis...
http://youtu.be/8huBkPT2L58

rotfl...

Right... Pretty silly propaganda technique... Haven't you polished your
skills any since the 50's?
Why do you always remind me of this character...?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Badenov

--
www.abelard.org

DoD

2018-03-03 04:59:49 UTC

You folks are both a caricature in the reality about the modern US.

Your irrepressible Russia passions is what looks really comic.

rotfl...

A few more of his choice statements...

--
Mi smo ljudi krscani
I ne boj'mo se vrijet
Bog je pozva' nas
Da mijenjamo svijet

Mi smo ljudi krscani
I ne boj'mo se mrijet
Samo ljubav moze
Spasit ovaj svijet

Ora et labora znaj,
to je put u vjecni raj
i zivot nije kraj
i... moliti, raditi

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71KWtHZ75tL._SL1000_.jpg

abelard

2018-03-03 10:20:14 UTC

You folks are both a caricature in the reality about the modern US.

Your irrepressible Russia passions is what looks really comic.

rotfl...

A few more of his choice statements...
http://youtu.be/zr0fJgcfdTs

it's good when a person tells the truth in a world of lies

--
www.abelard.org

Oleg Smirnov

2018-03-02 23:45:02 UTC

Again, childishness is all you have...
But let the readership think about it likes this...
Oleg is easy to see coming a mile away.... He is actually comes across as a
caricature of a disinformation officer in some cheesy old movie about
Russia... It is really kind of comical to watch him... You on the other
hand are dangerous...

You folks are both a caricature in the reality about the modern US.

Yep... One patriotic flag waving American that knew about your kind and have
been keeping a watchful eye on you for the decades I have been alive.. The
people that preceded me warned about your kind since the 20s and 30s... On
the other hand he have homos like Swill that admired you people since back
in the day, and still love your ideological cousins in Cuba and Venezuela...
If he didn't have to daily put a tube of preparation h up his already worn
out ass because of Trumps foot, he might still be in love with you... Be it
as it may, because his fag hag in a pantsuit got worked over and his ego in
the process, Russia has to take the blame because those children have no
other way of dealing with reality other than temper tantrums....

Your irrepressible Russia passions is what looks really comic.

And you rightards are especially footless, since by means of 'Russia' the
Perverted Left enforces you to eat shit, and you have no way but to docilely
eat it (it happens so because the right-wing are of lower IQ).

Right... Pretty silly propaganda technique... Haven't you polished your
skills any since the 50's?

Indeed you're as comic as the Swillie, will all your silly reflections and
ridiculous 'rednek answer' videos. Regardless of your stupid self-soothing
babble, the undsputable and very visible fact is that the Left makes a
clown out of Trump, and puts all you moronic rightards in a comic position
by means of their 'Russia' howls, which you have to 'patriotically' share.

This is why the US has become today a banana republic (with nukes).

DoD

2018-03-05 18:55:24 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
the undsputable and very visible fact is that the Left makes a
clown out of Trump,

The left makes clowns out of themselves.. The scale will tip and
liberals will loose some election cycles..
Of course, you couldn't possible understand anything about America..
You have no clue..

Post by Oleg Smirnov
and puts all you moronic rightards in a comic position
by means of their 'Russia' howls, which you have to 'patriotically' share.

Dude.... Are you retarded? How many times have I already told you... I
have no ill will towards Russia.... You on your side... I will stay on
mine.. I
will try and help you as much as I can, but if you come in my yard
unannounced and or break into my house, you will be collecting

Post by Oleg Smirnov
This is why the US has become today a banana republic (with nukes).

Yeah, liberals and particularly obama is responsible for the banana
republification of Merka...

All parties are responsible, actually, and if you silly proud rednecks
were a bit less silly, then those nasty liberals could
not play you as easily as they do.

I don't know why you "think" you can comment on America like you have
some real knowledge about us... but you shouldn't because you are highly
uninformed and it shows a lot...
Liberals don't play us and in a few, their chickens will come home to
roost....

I know much more about America than you know about Russia, simply because
I'm watching your zoo directly, while you lazybones are being fed through
a non-impartial intermediary (the [liberal] MSM).

Bullshit... You don't understand jackshit about America, because it shows in
every single one
of your posts..

You also don't know what I know about Russia and where I get my information.
You are right, I do have
a limited understanding of Russia, but none of it comes from liberal
anything... I avoid anything liberal..
My limited understanding of Russia comes from history books and Russian
cinema... which hardly makes me
an expert on Russia, but I certainly don't get any ideas from liberal
babble.. That and I have a very open mind
about my cousins to the north..

In my opinion, you can't appreciate a
country or its culture till you have spent a great deal of time there, feet
on the ground.. You claim you know about
our zoo directly, but you have only seen it through the equivalent of google
maps..

And it's obvious to any sane one that the 'liberals' set the tone within
your bubble while most of you right wing have to accept what they promote
as facts, and you use their (not yours) concepts reactively.

Again, another idiotic statement from you who obviously has not a clue about
this place...
--
Mi smo ljudi krscani
I ne boj'mo se vrijet
Bog je pozva' nas
Da mijenjamo svijet

Mi smo ljudi krscani
I ne boj'mo se mrijet
Samo ljubav moze
Spasit ovaj svijet

Ora et labora znaj,
to je put u vjecni raj
i zivot nije kraj
i... moliti, raditi

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71KWtHZ75tL._SL1000_.jpg

Oleg Smirnov

2018-03-05 21:09:54 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
This is why the US has become today a banana republic (with nukes).

Yeah, liberals and particularly obama is responsible for the banana
republification of Merka...

All parties are responsible, actually, and if you silly proud rednecks
were a bit less silly, then those nasty liberals could
not play you as easily as they do.

I know much more about America than you know about Russia, simply because
I'm watching your zoo directly, while you lazybones are being fed through a
non-impartial intermediary (the [liberal] MSM).

Bullshit... You don't understand jackshit about America, because it shows in
every single one of your posts..

I know folks like you, not only American ones. Such folks have a subjective,
partizan view about their domestic environment. You participate in your
domestic squabbles with a narrow image of America within your mind, and you
can discuss what America really is with your fellow domestic 'liberals', who
have different partizan attitudes. Meanwhile I see you all in one.

Post by DoD
You also don't know what I know about Russia and where I get my information.
You are right, I do have a limited understanding of Russia, but none of it
comes from liberal anything... I avoid anything liberal.. My limited
understanding of Russia comes from history books and Russian cinema... which
hardly makes me an expert on Russia, but I certainly don't get any ideas
from liberal babble.. That and I have a very open mind about my cousins to
the north..

Soviet cinema maybe, and the Russia history books in English are 90% nonsense.

Post by DoD
In my opinion, you can't appreciate a
country or its culture till you have spent a great deal of time there, feet
on the ground.. You claim you know about
our zoo directly, but you have only seen it through the equivalent of google
maps..

And it's obvious to any sane one that the 'liberals' set the tone within
your bubble while most of you right wing have to accept what they promote as
facts, and you use their (not yours) concepts reactively.

Again, another idiotic statement from you who obviously has not a clue about
this place...

No, the right wingers, en masse, are really lagging in intellect and vision.
The intelligent Left has become perverted and spoiled, but the rightards cannot
compensate it with their simplicity. That is why 'liberals' play you anyway.

Oleg Smirnov

2018-03-06 09:11:30 UTC

And it's obvious to any sane one that the 'liberals' set the tone within
your bubble while most of you right wing have to accept what they
promote as facts, and you use their (not yours) concepts reactively.

Again, another idiotic statement from you who obviously has not a clue
about this place...

No, the right wingers, en masse, are really lagging in intellect and
vision. The intelligent Left has become perverted and spoiled, but the
rightards cannot compensate it with their simplicity. That is why
'liberals' play you anyway.

Ok... here I am forced to admit you are partially right... Not that
conservatives lack intellect, conservatives have the better ideas, what
conservatives lack and I say this with utter shame for my side is a lack
of a vehicle to promote their ideas... Liberals did take over the culture
and basically own the internet and T.V.... Take away all the hollywood
bling bling and America finds out that liberal ideology sucks... That is
why a casino owner whooped the first family of politics ass. So you are
partially right.. The only thing conservatives are lacking is a means to
deliver the message effectively... That and a way to keep liberal
indoctrination from happening in the schools..

The concept of intellect includes also the ability to convince others.
So such an explanation "we are intelligent, but we lack of a vehicle to
promote our ideas" doesn't really hold water. If the right-wingers really
had better vision then they'd work in advance to develop the mass media
tools comparable to what the Liberals have today.

One more thing is that there's more international solidarity among the
leftists, while the rightists get international only when they, together,
face the 'global left' threat. Without such a common threat the rightists
of different camps tend to start fighting against each other in a tribal
manner, since every rightie loves 'us first'. If the conservatives want
to become more powerful then they should take greater care of the common
base for the conservative solidarity.

I see it so that the current rise of the 'right-wing populism' is due to
the fact that 'the left' has become shoddy and stinky and went too far in
cultist doctrinairism, missionary zeal, insane fetishism, dense hypocrisy,
hubris and delusion. This modern perversion of the left is mainly their own
rot. If a sufficiently large part of the leftist / liberal community could
sanitize and separate themselves from these perversion and degeneration,
then the right-wingers in their current state would have much less chance.

saracene

2018-03-06 09:59:51 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
'the left' has become shoddy and stinky and went too far in
cultist doctrinairism, missionary zeal, insane fetishism, dense hypocrisy,
hubris and delusion. This modern perversion of the left is mainly their own
rot.

"Went too far" away from where you think they should have stayed. How would you have prevented that journey? It developed from the logic of their position. Like it or not that is the left today.

Oleg Smirnov

2018-03-06 10:24:27 UTC

"Went too far" away from where you think they should have stayed. How would
you have prevented that journey? It developed from the logic of their
position. Like it or not that is the left today.

At its core, the leftism is about aspiration for common harmony and
justice. I consider such a basic aspiration good. But implementation
is a more complicated question.

saracene

2018-03-07 08:58:36 UTC

"Went too far" away from where you think they should have stayed. How would
you have prevented that journey? It developed from the logic of their
position. Like it or not that is the left today.

At its core, the leftism is about aspiration for common harmony and
justice. I consider such a basic aspiration good. But implementation
is a more complicated question.

So do you think a right wing person would declare himself for disharmony and injustice? The reality of modern leftism is what you call the stinky one. The idea of equality logically extends into what count as perversion of the ideal. If it is to be countered it's not by an appeal to harmony and justice, it needs something stornger, like freedom of thought.

Oleg Smirnov

2018-03-07 09:21:36 UTC

"Went too far" away from where you think they should have stayed. How would
you have prevented that journey? It developed from the logic of their
position. Like it or not that is the left today.

At its core, the leftism is about aspiration for common harmony and
justice. I consider such a basic aspiration good. But implementation
is a more complicated question.

So do you think a right wing person would declare himself for disharmony and
injustice?

You bluntly did it yourself by nostalgizing for 'mild form of racism' etc.

Post by saracene
The reality of modern leftism is what you call the stinky one. The idea of
equality logically extends into what count as perversion of the ideal.

You still continue to deliberately refuse to distinguish between equality
of opportunity and forced alignment by result, which are linked, but still
different cases.

Post by saracene
If it
is to be countered it's not by an appeal to harmony and justice, it needs
something stornger, like freedom of thought.

I think, no one can deprive anyone of freedom of thought.

saracene

2018-03-07 10:10:01 UTC

"Went too far" away from where you think they should have stayed. How would
you have prevented that journey? It developed from the logic of their
position. Like it or not that is the left today.

At its core, the leftism is about aspiration for common harmony and
justice. I consider such a basic aspiration good. But implementation
is a more complicated question.

So do you think a right wing person would declare himself for disharmony and
injustice?

You bluntly did it yourself by nostalgizing for 'mild form of racism' etc.

Post by saracene
The reality of modern leftism is what you call the stinky one. The idea of
equality logically extends into what count as perversion of the ideal.

You still continue to deliberately refuse to distinguish between equality
of opportunity and forced alignment by result, which are linked, but still
different cases.

How much equality of opportunity do we want? Should we give everyone in the world the oppoprtunity to come and live here? The basic idea is just equality, that is a slogan from which all sorts of new moral demands take wing. Should women, gays trannies be given all the equalities they demand? How can you refuse them? Unhappiness does not derive from inequality, rather from fustration.

Post by saracene
If it
is to be countered it's not by an appeal to harmony and justice, it needs
something stornger, like freedom of thought.

I think, no one can deprive anyone of freedom of thought.

They can aspire to discourage it though. Promote it as a value and the stinky ones will be on the defensive.

Dan S. MacAbre

2018-03-07 10:29:56 UTC

"Went too far" away from where you think they should have stayed. How would
you have prevented that journey? It developed from the logic of their
position. Like it or not that is the left today.

At its core, the leftism is about aspiration for common harmony and
justice. I consider such a basic aspiration good. But implementation
is a more complicated question.

So do you think a right wing person would declare himself for disharmony and
injustice?

You bluntly did it yourself by nostalgizing for 'mild form of racism' etc.

Post by saracene
The reality of modern leftism is what you call the stinky one. The idea of
equality logically extends into what count as perversion of the ideal.

You still continue to deliberately refuse to distinguish between equality
of opportunity and forced alignment by result, which are linked, but still
different cases.

Or jealousy, or maybe you'd include that in 'frustration'?

But not everyone wants to be happy, anyway. I'd suggest that people
only want satisfaction, and lots of people get that from being unhappy,
or angry. No matter how many 'good' things you throw at them, you're
wasting your time hoping it will make them ostensibly happier.

Post by saracene
If it
is to be countered it's not by an appeal to harmony and justice, it needs
something stornger, like freedom of thought.

I think, no one can deprive anyone of freedom of thought.

They can aspire to discourage it though. Promote it as a value and the stinky ones will be on the defensive.

abelard

2018-03-07 12:17:36 UTC

"Went too far" away from where you think they should have stayed. How would
you have prevented that journey? It developed from the logic of their
position. Like it or not that is the left today.

At its core, the leftism is about aspiration for common harmony and
justice. I consider such a basic aspiration good. But implementation
is a more complicated question.

So do you think a right wing person would declare himself for disharmony and
injustice?

You bluntly did it yourself by nostalgizing for 'mild form of racism' etc.

Post by saracene
The reality of modern leftism is what you call the stinky one. The idea of
equality logically extends into what count as perversion of the ideal.

You still continue to deliberately refuse to distinguish between equality
of opportunity and forced alignment by result, which are linked, but still
different cases.

not just theory...you *cannot* get 'equality of opportunity'
by any manner or mean in the real world....

the core notion of 'equality' is delusional(empirically unsound)

Post by saracene
If it
is to be countered it's not by an appeal to harmony and justice, it needs
something stornger, like freedom of thought.

I think, no one can deprive anyone of freedom of thought.

They can aspire to discourage it though. Promote it as a value and the stinky ones will be on the defensive.

'freedom' is another mess which requires first clear definitions....

the political prisoner in pootin's gulags has severely limited
freedoms....
then you go to 'freedom of thought'...you cannot have freedom
of thought if you don't have access to data...or should that be
potential access to data...
fundies invariably try to limit such freedom...eg pootin's control
of media...
of if you prefer...the index of the church...

freedom is relative to time and place...if i were in one of pootin's
jails i have the freedom to walk across the 6 foot room...
i don't have the freedom to walk down the corridor...
and i don't even have that in this world if his goons poison me

--
www.abelard.org

saracene

2018-03-07 15:10:57 UTC

"Went too far" away from where you think they should have stayed. How would
you have prevented that journey? It developed from the logic of their
position. Like it or not that is the left today.

At its core, the leftism is about aspiration for common harmony and
justice. I consider such a basic aspiration good. But implementation
is a more complicated question.

So do you think a right wing person would declare himself for disharmony and
injustice?

You bluntly did it yourself by nostalgizing for 'mild form of racism' etc.

Post by saracene
The reality of modern leftism is what you call the stinky one. The idea of
equality logically extends into what count as perversion of the ideal.

You still continue to deliberately refuse to distinguish between equality
of opportunity and forced alignment by result, which are linked, but still
different cases.

not just theory...you *cannot* get 'equality of opportunity'
by any manner or mean in the real world....
the core notion of 'equality' is delusional(empirically unsound)

Post by saracene
If it
is to be countered it's not by an appeal to harmony and justice, it needs
something stornger, like freedom of thought.

I think, no one can deprive anyone of freedom of thought.

They can aspire to discourage it though. Promote it as a value and the stinky ones will be on the defensive.

'freedom' is another mess which requires first clear definitions....

J S Mill did quite well.

Post by abelard
the political prisoner in pootin's gulags has severely limited
freedoms....

Post by abelard
then you go to 'freedom of thought'...you cannot have freedom
of thought if you don't have access to data...or should that be
potential access to data...

Yes you do. You can think on the basis of what you have. You appear to have the deluson that everyone would think like you if they were informed of all that you know. There is a big lie embedded there of course, becuause you dismiss antismeitism as a mental disturbance.

Post by abelard
fundies invariably try to limit such freedom...eg pootin's control
of media...

Or the BBC?

Post by abelard
of if you prefer...the index of the church...

Milton's Areopagetica is another noble document.

Post by abelard
freedom is relative to time and place...if i were in one of pootin's
jails i have the freedom to walk across the 6 foot room...
i don't have the freedom to walk down the corridor...
and i don't even have that in this world if his goons poison me
--

What slogans would you use against equality?

abelard

2018-03-07 17:52:32 UTC

"Went too far" away from where you think they should have stayed. How would
you have prevented that journey? It developed from the logic of their
position. Like it or not that is the left today.

At its core, the leftism is about aspiration for common harmony and
justice. I consider such a basic aspiration good. But implementation
is a more complicated question.

So do you think a right wing person would declare himself for disharmony and
injustice?

You bluntly did it yourself by nostalgizing for 'mild form of racism' etc.

Post by saracene
The reality of modern leftism is what you call the stinky one. The idea of
equality logically extends into what count as perversion of the ideal.

You still continue to deliberately refuse to distinguish between equality
of opportunity and forced alignment by result, which are linked, but still
different cases.

not just theory...you *cannot* get 'equality of opportunity'
by any manner or mean in the real world....
the core notion of 'equality' is delusional(empirically unsound)

Post by saracene
If it
is to be countered it's not by an appeal to harmony and justice, it needs
something stornger, like freedom of thought.

I think, no one can deprive anyone of freedom of thought.

They can aspire to discourage it though. Promote it as a value and the stinky ones will be on the defensive.

'freedom' is another mess which requires first clear definitions....

J S Mill did quite well.

Post by abelard
the political prisoner in pootin's gulags has severely limited
freedoms....

Post by abelard
then you go to 'freedom of thought'...you cannot have freedom
of thought if you don't have access to data...or should that be
potential access to data...

Yes you do. You can think on the basis of what you have.

which is no different from my comment

Post by saracene
You appear to have the deluson that everyone would think like you if they were informed of all that you know.

you are very silly...no two people know the same/equal thing/s

you are just reintroducing equality be the back door

Post by saracene
There is a big lie embedded there of course, becuause you dismiss antismeitism as a mental disturbance.

i will leave those problems to your therapist

Post by abelard
fundies invariably try to limit such freedom...eg pootin's control
of media...

Or the BBC?

Post by abelard
of if you prefer...the index of the church...

Milton's Areopagetica is another noble document.

What slogans would you use against equality?

the equivalent 'slogans' that galileo used against ptolemaic
cosmology

but i prefer empiricism to slogans

--
www.abelard.org

saracene

2018-03-07 18:18:03 UTC

Post by saracene
?

Post by abelard
then you go to 'freedom of thought'...you cannot have freedom
of thought if you don't have access to data...or should that be
potential access to data...

Yes you do. You can think on the basis of what you have.

which is no different from my comment

Post by saracene
You appear to have the deluson that everyone would think like you if they were informed of all that you know.

you are very silly...no two people know the same/equal thing/s
you are just reintroducing equality be the back door

I can't always be mindful of your philosophical eccentricities.

Post by saracene
There is a big lie embedded there of course, becuause you dismiss antismeitism as a mental disturbance.

i will leave those problems to your therapist

Post by abelard
fundies invariably try to limit such freedom...eg pootin's control
of media...

Or the BBC?

Post by abelard
of if you prefer...the index of the church...

Milton's Areopagetica is another noble document.

What slogans would you use against equality?

the equivalent 'slogans' that galileo used against ptolemaic
cosmology
but i prefer empiricism to slogans
--

abelard

2018-03-07 19:24:03 UTC

Post by saracene
You appear to have the deluson that everyone would think like you if they were informed of all that you know.

you are very silly...no two people know the same/equal thing/s
you are just reintroducing equality be the back door

I can't always be mindful of your philosophical eccentricities.

does that mean you don't understand the error you are making?

--
www.abelard.org

saracene

2018-03-07 19:51:27 UTC

Post by saracene
You appear to have the deluson that everyone would think like you if they were informed of all that you know.

you are very silly...no two people know the same/equal thing/s
you are just reintroducing equality be the back door

I can't always be mindful of your philosophical eccentricities.

does that mean you don't understand the error you are making?

I am not making any errors. I subscribe to a different philosophy of langauge. Like other self educated people you manage to get some idea in your head and treat it as holy writ.

abelard

2018-03-07 20:06:12 UTC

Post by saracene
You appear to have the deluson that everyone would think like you if they were informed of all that you know.

you are very silly...no two people know the same/equal thing/s
you are just reintroducing equality be the back door

I can't always be mindful of your philosophical eccentricities.

does that mean you don't understand the error you are making?

I am not making any errors.

you are...but i don't care

Post by saracene
I subscribe to a different philosophy of langauge. Like other self educated people you manage to get some idea in your head and treat it as holy writ.

as you don't understand the errors you make...the
theories you build on your quicksand are hardly convincing
or even useful/pragmatic

--
www.abelard.org

saracene

2018-03-07 20:12:49 UTC

Post by saracene
You appear to have the deluson that everyone would think like you if they were informed of all that you know.

you are very silly...no two people know the same/equal thing/s
you are just reintroducing equality be the back door

I can't always be mindful of your philosophical eccentricities.

does that mean you don't understand the error you are making?

I am not making any errors.

you are...but i don't care

The only error I made was to forget about some of the crap you profess to believe.

Post by saracene
I subscribe to a different philosophy of langauge. Like other self educated people you manage to get some idea in your head and treat it as holy writ.

as you don't understand the errors you make...the
theories you build on your quicksand are hardly convincing
or even useful/pragmatic

You are a pretentious tosser, but I don't care either.

Oleg Smirnov

2018-03-07 21:01:50 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
At its core, the leftism is about aspiration for common harmony and
justice. I consider such a basic aspiration good. But implementation
is a more complicated question.

So do you think a right wing person would declare himself for disharmony
and injustice?

You bluntly did it yourself by nostalgizing for 'mild form of racism' etc.

Post by saracene
The reality of modern leftism is what you call the stinky one. The idea of
equality logically extends into what count as perversion of the ideal.

You still continue to deliberately refuse to distinguish between equality
of opportunity and forced alignment by result, which are linked, but still
different cases.

How much equality of opportunity do we want? Should we give everyone in the
world the oppoprtunity to come and live here? The basic idea is just
equality, that is a slogan from which all sorts of new moral demands take
wing. Should women, gays trannies be given all the equalities they demand?
How can you refuse them? Unhappiness does not derive from inequality, rather
from fustration.

As far as I recall, all specific ugly examples / cases you could mention
so far, were due to abuse of forced alignment or mechanistic extrapolation
of the concept of equality (and it is a secondary fetish).

One more thing is that the established social layout is a complex system
with many balances, incautious improvements for good can cause unforeseen
side effects, so more complex consideration is recommended.

Post by saracene
If it
is to be countered it's not by an appeal to harmony and justice, it needs
something stornger, like freedom of thought.

I think, no one can deprive anyone of freedom of thought.

They can aspire to discourage it though. Promote it as a value and the stinky
ones will be on the defensive.

saracene

2018-03-07 21:46:29 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
As far as I recall, all specific ugly examples / cases you could mention
so far, were due to abuse of forced alignment or mechanistic extrapolation
of the concept of equality (and it is a secondary fetish).

But those are the ideas which get the power and authority. Call them secondary fetishes if you like but to some people they are their life’s commitment. Politics is a struggle about power.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
One more thing is that the established social layout is a complex system
with many balances, incautious improvements for good can cause unforeseen
side effects, so more complex consideration is recommended.

What is good? Is there a pattern or blueprint which can be known? If there is how do you get people to stick to it? Radical feminists would say you just express the domineering ideology of a white heterosexual male.

saracene

2018-03-12 08:16:54 UTC

"Went too far" away from where you think they should have stayed. How would
you have prevented that journey? It developed from the logic of their
position. Like it or not that is the left today.

At its core, the leftism is about aspiration for common harmony and
justice. I consider such a basic aspiration good. But implementation
is a more complicated question.

So do you think a right wing person would declare himself for disharmony and
injustice?

You bluntly did it yourself by nostalgizing for 'mild form of racism' etc.

Waht I wrote was

"If history had been kinder and the British Empire had survived, instead of equality we could have had a mild form of racism. Those full of resentment can only apply moral blackmail if their principles already have currency. If equality was not a dominant value they could hardly appeal to it. "

In that eventuality it would not have appeared as injustice but as justice. That was was my point. Harmony too, with luck.

"Equality to those who are equal, inequality to those who are unequal"—this were the true teaching of justice. "Wrong lies never in unequal rights, it lies in the claim to 'equal rights. "The doctrine of equality! … But there is no more poisonous poison; for it appears to be preached by justice itself, while it is the end of justice" (Nietzsche)

DoD

2018-03-06 18:08:37 UTC

Not really much I can quibble with in there.... Well done... Gospodin
Smirnov.....

Gonna rearrange this a bit and give a small quibble....and ask a sincere
question...

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The concept of intellect includes also the ability to convince others.

True..

Post by Oleg Smirnov
So such an explanation "we are intelligent, but we lack of a vehicle to
promote our ideas" doesn't really hold water.

Partially I think it does...

Post by Oleg Smirnov
If the right-wingers really had better vision then they'd work in advance
to develop the mass media tools comparable to what the Liberals have
today.

I think this part needs to be expanded, because it is a little misleading...
You are absolutely
correct in that conservatives on the long game were playing checkers, when
liberals were playing
6 steps ahead chess. I think a big part of the problem is that conservatives
feel so strong about their
message that they feel that it will naturally be accepted by anyone that is
able to hear it, so they took it
on good faith... moreover really out of straight-up being NAÏVE that they
would always have a level playing field.

Problem is the left learned early on they had the weak argument, but they
were dirty enough that they decided
early on to infiltrate and take over every outlet of pop culture plus the
media and academia, so they could get
em while they are young... That is why they are so keen to take away parents
rights and give them to the state..

It really was a sinister plan... With that, now we are seeing that since
they also basically own the internet, they are controlling
the narrative there as well.... blacklisting conservatives left and right..
I think it was Larry Elder the other day that pointed out a
study that if people were given equal coverage of the facts, in others
words straight down the line, people gravitate still towards
conservatism.... That will change with more children getting indoctrinated.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
One more thing is that there's more international solidarity among the
leftists, while the rightists get international only when they, together,
face the 'global left' threat. Without such a common threat the rightists
of different camps tend to start fighting against each other in a tribal
manner, since every rightie loves 'us first'. If the conservatives want
to become more powerful then they should take greater care of the common
base for the conservative solidarity.

Here is my good faith question... Who are some of these right wing groups?
And can you
give some examples of their internecine fights?

In that regard, it seems like I read that the left is far from cohesive
themselves, certainly true
amongst U.S. liberals... and from a cursory level of looking, seems true
amongst European liberals
as well...

Post by Oleg Smirnov
I see it so that the current rise of the 'right-wing populism' is due to
the fact that 'the left' has become shoddy and stinky and went too far in
cultist doctrinairism, missionary zeal, insane fetishism, dense hypocrisy,
hubris and delusion. This modern perversion of the left is mainly their
own rot. If a sufficiently large part of the leftist / liberal community
could sanitize and separate themselves from these perversion and
degeneration, then the right-wingers in their current state would have
much less chance.

Only because of messaging...
--
Mi smo ljudi krscani
I ne boj'mo se vrijet
Bog je pozva' nas
Da mijenjamo svijet

Mi smo ljudi krscani
I ne boj'mo se mrijet
Samo ljubav moze
Spasit ovaj svijet

Ora et labora znaj,
to je put u vjecni raj
i zivot nije kraj
i... moliti, raditi

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Oleg Smirnov

2018-03-07 08:23:55 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The concept of intellect includes also the ability to convince others.

True..

Post by Oleg Smirnov
So such an explanation "we are intelligent, but we lack of a vehicle to
promote our ideas" doesn't really hold water.

Partially I think it does...

Post by Oleg Smirnov
If the right-wingers really had better vision then they'd work in advance
to develop the mass media tools comparable to what the Liberals have today.

I think this part needs to be expanded, because it is a little misleading...
You are absolutely correct in that conservatives on the long game were
playing checkers, when liberals were playing 6 steps ahead chess. I think a
big part of the problem is that conservatives feel so strong about their
message that they feel that it will naturally be accepted by anyone that
is able to hear it, so they took it on good faith... moreover really out of
straight-up being NAÏVE that they would always have a level playing field.
Problem is the left learned early on they had the weak argument, but they
were dirty enough that they decided early on to infiltrate and take over
every outlet of pop culture plus the media and academia, so they could
get em while they are young... That is why they are so keen to take away
parents rights and give them to the state..
It really was a sinister plan... With that, now we are seeing that since
they also basically own the internet, they are controlling the narrative
there as well.... blacklisting conservatives left and right.. I think it
was Larry Elder the other day that pointed out a study that if people
were given equal coverage of the facts, in others words straight down the
line, people gravitate still towards conservatism.... That will change
with more children getting indoctrinated.

The leftists tend to explain it so that they tend to act by persuasion in
a civilized way while the righties tend to bigotry and violence (and so to
authoritarianism), so they don't care about tools for persuasion.

But the righties love to say that the left are those really authoritarian.

But, actually, all this is changing in a dialectical way depending on
position with regard to actual power. If there's a liberal / leftist gov't
with some idealistic / utopian progressive agenda which faces difficulties
in the real life implementation, then they can turn to coercion, censorship
and things like that, because they believe that in the end result it's
right. However, various right-wing dictatorships, aimed at establishing
'conservative values' in the society, were also known well.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
One more thing is that there's more international solidarity among the
leftists, while the rightists get international only when they, together,
face the 'global left' threat. Without such a common threat the rightists
of different camps tend to start fighting against each other in a tribal
manner, since every rightie loves 'us first'. If the conservatives want to
become more powerful then they should take greater care of the common
base for the conservative solidarity.

Here is my good faith question... Who are some of these right wing groups?
And can you give some examples of their internecine fights?

Any conflict driven by nationalist or some else 'our pride' sentiment.

Eg. (post)Yugoslavia at your service.

Argentina's and Britain's right-wing governments once arranged a war for
the Falklands aka Malvinas, and the right-wing Spanish would likely suggest
Giblartar to be Spanish while the right-wing British would likely disagree.

Post by DoD
In that regard, it seems like I read that the left is far from cohesive
themselves, certainly true amongst U.S. liberals... and from a cursory
level of looking, seems true amongst European liberals as well...

The lefties can fight among themselves for particular issues too, but it's
also about who is more true left and who is apostate and renegade, eg. in
the Sino-Soviet split the Soviets and Maoists accused each other this way.

DoD

2018-03-09 05:36:13 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The concept of intellect includes also the ability to convince others.

True..

Post by Oleg Smirnov
So such an explanation "we are intelligent, but we lack of a vehicle to
promote our ideas" doesn't really hold water.

Partially I think it does...

Post by Oleg Smirnov
If the right-wingers really had better vision then they'd work in advance
to develop the mass media tools comparable to what the Liberals have today.

I think this part needs to be expanded, because it is a little misleading...
You are absolutely correct in that conservatives on the long game were
playing checkers, when liberals were playing 6 steps ahead chess. I think a
big part of the problem is that conservatives feel so strong about their
message that they feel that it will naturally be accepted by anyone that
is able to hear it, so they took it on good faith... moreover really out of
straight-up being NAÏVE that they would always have a level playing field.
Problem is the left learned early on they had the weak argument, but they
were dirty enough that they decided early on to infiltrate and take over
every outlet of pop culture plus the media and academia, so they could
get em while they are young... That is why they are so keen to take away
parents rights and give them to the state..
It really was a sinister plan... With that, now we are seeing that since
they also basically own the internet, they are controlling the narrative
there as well.... blacklisting conservatives left and right.. I think it
was Larry Elder the other day that pointed out a study that if people
were given equal coverage of the facts, in others words straight down the
line, people gravitate still towards conservatism.... That will change
with more children getting indoctrinated.

The leftists tend to explain it so that they tend to act by persuasion in
a civilized way while the righties tend to bigotry and violence (and so to
authoritarianism), so they don't care about tools for persuasion.
But the righties love to say that the left are those really authoritarian.
But, actually, all this is changing in a dialectical way depending on
position with regard to actual power. If there's a liberal / leftist gov't
with some idealistic / utopian progressive agenda which faces difficulties
in the real life implementation, then they can turn to coercion, censorship
and things like that, because they believe that in the end result it's
right. However, various right-wing dictatorships, aimed at establishing
'conservative values' in the society, were also known well.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
One more thing is that there's more international solidarity among the
leftists, while the rightists get international only when they, together,
face the 'global left' threat. Without such a common threat the rightists
of different camps tend to start fighting against each other in a tribal
manner, since every rightie loves 'us first'. If the conservatives want to
become more powerful then they should take greater care of the common
base for the conservative solidarity.

Here is my good faith question... Who are some of these right wing groups?
And can you give some examples of their internecine fights?

Any conflict driven by nationalist or some else 'our pride' sentiment.
Eg. (post)Yugoslavia at your service.
Argentina's and Britain's right-wing governments once arranged a war for
the Falklands aka Malvinas, and the right-wing Spanish would likely suggest
Giblartar to be Spanish while the right-wing British would likely disagree.

Very interesting reads... Thanks
--
Mi smo ljudi krscani
I ne boj'mo se vrijet
Bog je pozva' nas
Da mijenjamo svijet

Mi smo ljudi krscani
I ne boj'mo se mrijet
Samo ljubav moze
Spasit ovaj svijet

Ora et labora znaj,
to je put u vjecni raj
i zivot nije kraj
i... moliti, raditi

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71KWtHZ75tL._SL1000_.jpg

Governor Swill

2018-03-12 04:55:44 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The concept of intellect includes also the ability to convince others.

True..

Post by Oleg Smirnov
So such an explanation "we are intelligent, but we lack of a vehicle to
promote our ideas" doesn't really hold water.

Partially I think it does...

Post by Oleg Smirnov
If the right-wingers really had better vision then they'd work in advance
to develop the mass media tools comparable to what the Liberals have today.

I think this part needs to be expanded, because it is a little misleading...
You are absolutely correct in that conservatives on the long game were
playing checkers, when liberals were playing 6 steps ahead chess. I think a
big part of the problem is that conservatives feel so strong about their
message that they feel that it will naturally be accepted by anyone that
is able to hear it, so they took it on good faith... moreover really out of
straight-up being NAÏVE that they would always have a level playing field.
Problem is the left learned early on they had the weak argument, but they
were dirty enough that they decided early on to infiltrate and take over
every outlet of pop culture plus the media and academia, so they could
get em while they are young... That is why they are so keen to take away
parents rights and give them to the state..
It really was a sinister plan... With that, now we are seeing that since
they also basically own the internet, they are controlling the narrative
there as well.... blacklisting conservatives left and right.. I think it
was Larry Elder the other day that pointed out a study that if people
were given equal coverage of the facts, in others words straight down the
line, people gravitate still towards conservatism.... That will change
with more children getting indoctrinated.

The leftists tend to explain it so that they tend to act by persuasion in
a civilized way while the righties tend to bigotry and violence (and so to
authoritarianism), so they don't care about tools for persuasion.
But the righties love to say that the left are those really authoritarian.
But, actually, all this is changing in a dialectical way depending on
position with regard to actual power. If there's a liberal / leftist gov't
with some idealistic / utopian progressive agenda which faces difficulties
in the real life implementation, then they can turn to coercion, censorship
and things like that, because they believe that in the end result it's
right. However, various right-wing dictatorships, aimed at establishing
'conservative values' in the society, were also known well.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
One more thing is that there's more international solidarity among the
leftists, while the rightists get international only when they, together,
face the 'global left' threat. Without such a common threat the rightists
of different camps tend to start fighting against each other in a tribal
manner, since every rightie loves 'us first'. If the conservatives want to
become more powerful then they should take greater care of the common
base for the conservative solidarity.

Here is my good faith question... Who are some of these right wing groups?
And can you give some examples of their internecine fights?

Any conflict driven by nationalist or some else 'our pride' sentiment.
Eg. (post)Yugoslavia at your service.
Argentina's and Britain's right-wing governments once arranged a war for
the Falklands aka Malvinas, and the right-wing Spanish would likely suggest
Giblartar to be Spanish while the right-wing British would likely disagree.

This is reflective of the beliefs in personal liberty on the left. A
different flavor from the conformist driven right.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The lefties can fight among themselves for particular issues too, but it's
also about who is more true left and who is apostate and renegade, eg. in
the Sino-Soviet split the Soviets and Maoists accused each other this way.

This same split haunts the right. The term "RINO" comes to mind.

Post by DoD
Very interesting reads... Thanks

Yes, interesting stuff.

Swill

--
"Democrats are the party that says government can
make you richer, smarter, taller, and get the chickweed
out of your lawn.
Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work,
and then they get elected and prove it." - P.J. O'Rourke

Siri Cruise

2018-03-12 07:53:43 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The concept of intellect includes also the ability to convince others.

True..

Post by Oleg Smirnov
So such an explanation "we are intelligent, but we lack of a vehicle to
promote our ideas" doesn't really hold water.

Partially I think it does...

Post by Oleg Smirnov
If the right-wingers really had better vision then they'd work in advance
to develop the mass media tools comparable to what the Liberals have today.

I think this part needs to be expanded, because it is a little misleading...
You are absolutely correct in that conservatives on the long game were
playing checkers, when liberals were playing 6 steps ahead chess. I think a
big part of the problem is that conservatives feel so strong about their
message that they feel that it will naturally be accepted by anyone that
is able to hear it, so they took it on good faith... moreover really out of
straight-up being NAÏVE that they would always have a level playing field.
Problem is the left learned early on they had the weak argument, but they
were dirty enough that they decided early on to infiltrate and take over
every outlet of pop culture plus the media and academia, so they could
get em while they are young... That is why they are so keen to take away
parents rights and give them to the state..
It really was a sinister plan... With that, now we are seeing that since
they also basically own the internet, they are controlling the narrative
there as well.... blacklisting conservatives left and right.. I think it
was Larry Elder the other day that pointed out a study that if people
were given equal coverage of the facts, in others words straight down the
line, people gravitate still towards conservatism.... That will change
with more children getting indoctrinated.

The leftists tend to explain it so that they tend to act by persuasion in
a civilized way while the righties tend to bigotry and violence (and so to
authoritarianism), so they don't care about tools for persuasion.
But the righties love to say that the left are those really authoritarian.
But, actually, all this is changing in a dialectical way depending on
position with regard to actual power. If there's a liberal / leftist gov't
with some idealistic / utopian progressive agenda which faces difficulties
in the real life implementation, then they can turn to coercion, censorship
and things like that, because they believe that in the end result it's
right. However, various right-wing dictatorships, aimed at establishing
'conservative values' in the society, were also known well.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
One more thing is that there's more international solidarity among the
leftists, while the rightists get international only when they, together,
face the 'global left' threat. Without such a common threat the rightists
of different camps tend to start fighting against each other in a tribal
manner, since every rightie loves 'us first'. If the conservatives want to
become more powerful then they should take greater care of the common
base for the conservative solidarity.

Here is my good faith question... Who are some of these right wing groups?
And can you give some examples of their internecine fights?

Any conflict driven by nationalist or some else 'our pride' sentiment.
Eg. (post)Yugoslavia at your service.
Argentina's and Britain's right-wing governments once arranged a war for
the Falklands aka Malvinas, and the right-wing Spanish would likely suggest
Giblartar to be Spanish while the right-wing British would likely disagree.

This is reflective of the beliefs in personal liberty on the left. A
different flavor from the conformist driven right.

This same split haunts the right. The term "RINO" comes to mind.

Post by DoD
Very interesting reads... Thanks

Yes, interesting stuff.

We know you are a secret agent provocateur of the crypto-drumpfist illuminati
conspiracy. We will impeach Bush the Younger, and then we will come for you.

Be a-frayed. Be very a-frayed. The ends will not be split forever.

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saracene

2018-03-12 08:06:17 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The concept of intellect includes also the ability to convince others.

True..

Post by Oleg Smirnov
So such an explanation "we are intelligent, but we lack of a vehicle to
promote our ideas" doesn't really hold water.

Partially I think it does...

Post by Oleg Smirnov
If the right-wingers really had better vision then they'd work in advance
to develop the mass media tools comparable to what the Liberals have today.

I think this part needs to be expanded, because it is a little misleading...
You are absolutely correct in that conservatives on the long game were
playing checkers, when liberals were playing 6 steps ahead chess. I think a
big part of the problem is that conservatives feel so strong about their
message that they feel that it will naturally be accepted by anyone that
is able to hear it, so they took it on good faith... moreover really out of
straight-up being NAĪVE that they would always have a level playing
field.
Problem is the left learned early on they had the weak argument, but they
were dirty enough that they decided early on to infiltrate and take over
every outlet of pop culture plus the media and academia, so they could
get em while they are young... That is why they are so keen to take away
parents rights and give them to the state..
It really was a sinister plan... With that, now we are seeing that since
they also basically own the internet, they are controlling the narrative
there as well.... blacklisting conservatives left and right.. I think it
was Larry Elder the other day that pointed out a study that if people
were given equal coverage of the facts, in others words straight down the
line, people gravitate still towards conservatism.... That will change
with more children getting indoctrinated.

The leftists tend to explain it so that they tend to act by persuasion in
a civilized way while the righties tend to bigotry and violence (and so to
authoritarianism), so they don't care about tools for persuasion.
But the righties love to say that the left are those really authoritarian.
But, actually, all this is changing in a dialectical way depending on
position with regard to actual power. If there's a liberal / leftist gov't
with some idealistic / utopian progressive agenda which faces difficulties
in the real life implementation, then they can turn to coercion, censorship
and things like that, because they believe that in the end result it's
right. However, various right-wing dictatorships, aimed at establishing
'conservative values' in the society, were also known well.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
One more thing is that there's more international solidarity among the
leftists, while the rightists get international only when they, together,
face the 'global left' threat. Without such a common threat the rightists
of different camps tend to start fighting against each other in a tribal
manner, since every rightie loves 'us first'. If the conservatives want to
become more powerful then they should take greater care of the common
base for the conservative solidarity.

Here is my good faith question... Who are some of these right wing groups?
And can you give some examples of their internecine fights?

Any conflict driven by nationalist or some else 'our pride' sentiment.
Eg. (post)Yugoslavia at your service.
Argentina's and Britain's right-wing governments once arranged a war for
the Falklands aka Malvinas, and the right-wing Spanish would likely suggest
Giblartar to be Spanish while the right-wing British would likely disagree.

This is reflective of the beliefs in personal liberty on the left. A
different flavor from the conformist driven right.

This same split haunts the right. The term "RINO" comes to mind.

Post by DoD
Very interesting reads... Thanks

Yes, interesting stuff.
Swill
--
"Democrats are the party that says government can
make you richer, smarter, taller, and get the chickweed
out of your lawn.
Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work,
and then they get elected and prove it." - P.J. O'Rourke

What's so good about it? Sunds tenedentious to me with some leftist assumptions thoroughly embedded.

saracene

2018-03-12 20:47:02 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The concept of intellect includes also the ability to convince others.

True..

Post by Oleg Smirnov
So such an explanation "we are intelligent, but we lack of a vehicle to
promote our ideas" doesn't really hold water.

Partially I think it does...

Post by Oleg Smirnov
If the right-wingers really had better vision then they'd work in advance
to develop the mass media tools comparable to what the Liberals have today.

I think this part needs to be expanded, because it is a little misleading...
You are absolutely correct in that conservatives on the long game were
playing checkers, when liberals were playing 6 steps ahead chess. I think a
big part of the problem is that conservatives feel so strong about their
message that they feel that it will naturally be accepted by anyone that
is able to hear it, so they took it on good faith... moreover really out of
straight-up being NAĪVE that they would always have a level playing
field.
Problem is the left learned early on they had the weak argument, but they
were dirty enough that they decided early on to infiltrate and take over
every outlet of pop culture plus the media and academia, so they could
get em while they are young... That is why they are so keen to take away
parents rights and give them to the state..
It really was a sinister plan... With that, now we are seeing that since
they also basically own the internet, they are controlling the narrative
there as well.... blacklisting conservatives left and right.. I think it
was Larry Elder the other day that pointed out a study that if people
were given equal coverage of the facts, in others words straight down the
line, people gravitate still towards conservatism.... That will change
with more children getting indoctrinated.

The leftists tend to explain it so that they tend to act by persuasion in
a civilized way while the righties tend to bigotry and violence (and so to
authoritarianism), so they don't care about tools for persuasion.
But the righties love to say that the left are those really authoritarian.
But, actually, all this is changing in a dialectical way depending on
position with regard to actual power. If there's a liberal / leftist gov't
with some idealistic / utopian progressive agenda which faces difficulties
in the real life implementation, then they can turn to coercion, censorship
and things like that, because they believe that in the end result it's
right. However, various right-wing dictatorships, aimed at establishing
'conservative values' in the society, were also known well.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
One more thing is that there's more international solidarity among the
leftists, while the rightists get international only when they, together,
face the 'global left' threat. Without such a common threat the rightists
of different camps tend to start fighting against each other in a tribal
manner, since every rightie loves 'us first'. If the conservatives want to
become more powerful then they should take greater care of the common
base for the conservative solidarity.

Here is my good faith question... Who are some of these right wing groups?
And can you give some examples of their internecine fights?

Any conflict driven by nationalist or some else 'our pride' sentiment.
Eg. (post)Yugoslavia at your service.
Argentina's and Britain's right-wing governments once arranged a war for
the Falklands aka Malvinas, and the right-wing Spanish would likely suggest
Giblartar to be Spanish while the right-wing British would likely disagree.

This is reflective of the beliefs in personal liberty on the left. A
different flavor from the conformist driven right.

This same split haunts the right. The term "RINO" comes to mind.

Post by DoD
Very interesting reads... Thanks

What's so good about it? Sounds tenedentious to me with some leftist assumptions thoroughly embedded.

Here is what Oleg wrote, witn my commentary:-

The leftists tend to explain it so that they tend to act by persuasion in

a civilized way while the righties tend to bigotry and violence (and so to
authoritarianism), so they don't care about tools for persuasion.

So what appears right and just to a right wing person is bigotry to you. Do you think the left stand for “reason”? Four legs good two legs bad.

But the righties love to say that the left are those really authoritarian.

Love to say? They tend to point it out when it is the case,

But, actually, all this is changing in a dialectical way

Twas ever thus. Is this your vestigial Marxism?

depending on

position with regard to actual power. If there's a liberal / leftist gov't
with some idealistic / utopian progressive agenda

ie strong opinions of their own which they believe to be right. And what’s “progressive?” Something self defined as such?

which faces difficulties

in the real life implementation, then they can turn to coercion, censorship
and things like that, because they believe that in the end result it's
right.

Just like the righties,

However, various right-wing dictatorships, aimed at establishing

'conservative values' in the society, were also known well.

Eg. (post)Yugoslavia at your service.

Some popular nationalist movements.

Argentina's and Britain's right-wing governments

To associate the two like that is just the view of a lefty bigot. Thatcher and Galtieri had little in common. Associate her with Pinochet if you like and I won't object so much.

once arranged a war for

the Falklands aka Malvinas, and the right-wing Spanish would likely suggest
Giblartar to be Spanish while the right-wing British would likely disagree.

What’s right wing Brit? Do the left Brits want to give up Gib INYO? You live far away from these issues and don’t understand them

The lefties can fight among themselves for particular issues too, but it's

also about who is more true left and who is apostate and renegade, eg. in
the Sino-Soviet split the Soviets and Maoists accused each other this way.

They are just as much out for power as anyone on the right. They embody no more virtue. To pretend their fights are about reason is just lefty self delusion. But you are not a lefty. You are a Russian nationalist. Russian nationalism is so big it can pretend to be a universal value like the British empire use to do. British nationalism is far from the same thing as Scottish or Welsh.

Oleg Smirnov

2018-03-07 08:34:51 UTC

And it's obvious to any sane one that the 'liberals' set the tone
within your bubble while most of you right wing have to accept what
they promote as facts, and you use their (not yours) concepts
reactively.

Again, another idiotic statement from you who obviously has not a clue
about this place...

No, the right wingers, en masse, are really lagging in intellect and
vision. The intelligent Left has become perverted and spoiled, but the
rightards cannot compensate it with their simplicity. That is why
'liberals' play you anyway.

The concept of intellect includes also the ability to convince others.
So such an explanation "we are intelligent, but we lack of a vehicle to
promote our ideas" doesn't really hold water. If the right-wingers really
had better vision then they'd work in advance to develop the mass media
tools comparable to what the Liberals have today.
One more thing is that there's more international solidarity among the
leftists, while the rightists get international only when they, together,
face the 'global left' threat. Without such a common threat the rightists
of different camps tend to start fighting against each other in a tribal
manner, since every rightie loves 'us first'. If the conservatives want to
become more powerful then they should take greater care of the common
base for the conservative solidarity.
I see it so that the current rise of the 'right-wing populism' is due to
the fact that 'the left' has become shoddy and stinky and went too far in
cultist doctrinairism, missionary zeal, insane fetishism, dense hypocrisy,
hubris and delusion. This modern perversion of the left is mainly their
own rot. If a sufficiently large part of the leftist / liberal community
could sanitize and separate themselves from these perversion and
degeneration, then the right-wingers in their current state would have
much less chance.

Not really much I can quibble with in there.... Well done... Gospodin
Smirnov.....

I can also add that since the 'leftist' narratives became, like sort of
cult and fashion, attractive to many, various powerful corporate and
political players have now adapted it for use in their particular favor:
as a bait to attract people or as an insincere justification for certain
actions and policies, which also contributes to the perversion.

Governor Swill

2018-03-07 17:35:59 UTC

You folks are both a caricature in the reality about the modern US.

Yep... One patriotic flag waving American that knew about your kind and have
been keeping a watchful

When commies like you start lying about being patriots with the other
side of your mouth, the rest of us have to look back on the years you
attacked Oleg and other commies and wonder why now, you suddenly think
he and communism and dictatorship are wonderful things to be used
against the US Constitution.

Swill

Post by DoD
eye on you for the decades I have been alive.. The people that preceded me
warned about your kind since the 20s and
30s... On the other hand he have homos like Swill that admired you people
since back in the day, and still love your ideological
cousins in Cuba and Venezuela... If he didn't have to daily put a tube of
preparation h up his already worn out ass because of Trumps
foot, he might still be in love with you... Be it as it may, because his fag
hag in a pantsuit got worked over and his ego in the process,
Russia has to take the blame because those children have no other way of
dealing with reality other than temper tantrums....

Your irrepressible Russia passions is what looks really comic.

Right... Pretty silly propaganda technique... Haven't you polished your
skills any since the 50's?
Why do you always remind me of this character...?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Badenov

DoD

2018-03-08 19:14:27 UTC

You folks are both a caricature in the reality about the modern US.

Yep... One patriotic flag waving American that knew about your kind and have
been keeping a watchful

I see you still can't refute what I wrote.. That is because you are an
ideological liberal asshole.. you
kind sucks up to every third world dictator... You all admired everyone from
Mao to Chavez, you fucking lying
liberal prick..
--
Mi smo ljudi krscani
I ne boj'mo se vrijet
Bog je pozva' nas
Da mijenjamo svijet

Mi smo ljudi krscani
I ne boj'mo se mrijet
Samo ljubav moze
Spasit ovaj svijet

Ora et labora znaj,
to je put u vjecni raj
i zivot nije kraj
i... moliti, raditi

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71KWtHZ75tL._SL1000_.jpg

Your irrepressible Russia passions is what looks really comic.

Right... Pretty silly propaganda technique... Haven't you polished your
skills any since the 50's?
Why do you always remind me of this character...?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Badenov

Governor Swill

2018-03-12 05:05:49 UTC

You folks are both a caricature in the reality about the modern US.

Yep... One patriotic flag waving American that knew about your kind and have
been keeping a watchful

Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. I have thoroughly refuted it but you can't
admit defeat to yourself. You continue to alter reality and refuse to
view it for what it is. While you and "your kind" sucks up to Putin,
arguably the most powerful dictator on the planet, you use your other
mouth to give lip service to principles of freedom and personal
liberty even while you do your best to force everybody else into
conformity with your ideas of what people should think and do with
their lives.

I don't know who this "you all" is, but by lumping together everyone
else as one monolithic sameness, you betray your ignorance and refusal
to engage in critical thought. Perhaps it comforts you to cast
everybody else as liberal and give them all the same characteristics.
That's because you're to intellectually lazy to THINK. To
DIFFERENTIATE individuals. This is entirely expected of rightists who
demand everyone else conform to their singular ideal of what life
should be about. Individuality and change are to be snuffed out, only
conformity and eternal sameness can be allowed to exist in your world.

Swill

#BeamMeUpScotty

2018-03-12 19:59:31 UTC

You folks are both a caricature in the reality about the modern US.

Yep... One patriotic flag waving American that knew about your kind and have
been keeping a watchful

Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. I have thoroughly refuted it but you can't
admit defeat to yourself. You continue to alter reality and refuse to
view it for what it is. While you and "your kind" sucks up to Putin,
arguably the most powerful dictator on the planet, you use your other
mouth to give lip service to principles of freedom and personal
liberty even while you do your best to force everybody else into
conformity with your ideas of what people should think and do with
their lives.
I don't know who this "you all" is, but by lumping together everyone
else as one monolithic sameness, you betray your ignorance and refusal
to engage in critical thought. Perhaps it comforts you to cast
everybody else as liberal and give them all the same characteristics.
That's because you're to intellectually lazy to THINK. To
DIFFERENTIATE individuals. This is entirely expected of rightists who
demand everyone else conform to their singular ideal of what life
should be about. Individuality and change are to be snuffed out, only
conformity and eternal sameness can be allowed to exist in your world.
Swill

You're rooting for Socialist Madero aren't you?

--
That's Karma

We could be the collateral damage from what was actually created....
something far more grand than our senses can detect or our minds
conceive. Given all the pain and suffering and loneliness, you'd think
if there was a plan it would have been better and if there was no plan
then we're not likely the accidental center of anything. We're more
likely in the lint ball in the corner.

Governor Swill

2018-03-13 01:43:28 UTC

On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 15:59:31 -0400, #BeamMeUpScotty

Post by #BeamMeUpScotty

Post by Governor Swill
I don't know who this "you all" is, but by lumping together everyone
else as one monolithic sameness, you betray your ignorance and refusal
to engage in critical thought. Perhaps it comforts you to cast
everybody else as liberal and give them all the same characteristics.
That's because you're to intellectually lazy to THINK. To
DIFFERENTIATE individuals. This is entirely expected of rightists who
demand everyone else conform to their singular ideal of what life
should be about. Individuality and change are to be snuffed out, only
conformity and eternal sameness can be allowed to exist in your world.
Swill

You're rooting for Socialist Madero aren't you?

Socialism is collectivist. I elevate the individual. I refuse to be
merely an unwashed mass.

In the America I was raised in, the People were supposed to have the
freedom to choose their own lives.

Swill
All that this country desires is to see the neighboring
countries stable, orderly, and prosperous. Any country whose
people conduct themselves well can count upon our hearty
friendship. If a nation shows that it knows how to act with
reasonable efficiency and decency in social and political
matters, if it keeps order and pays its obligations, it
need fear no interference from the United States. Chronic
wrongdoing, or an impotence which results in a general
loosening of the ties of civilized society, may in America,
as elsewhere, ultimately require intervention by some
civilized nation, and in the Western Hemisphere the
adherence of the United States to the Monroe Doctrine may
force the United States, however reluctantly, in flagrant
cases of such wrongdoing or impotence, to the exercise of
an international police power. - The Roosevelt Corollary

DoD

2018-03-13 02:14:19 UTC

Again, childishness is all you have...
But let the readership think about it likes this...
Oleg is easy to see coming a mile away.... He is actually comes
across
as
a caricature of a disinformation officer in some cheesy old movie about
Russia... It is really kind of comical to watch him... You on the other
hand are dangerous...

You folks are both a caricature in the reality about the modern US.

Yep... One patriotic flag waving American that knew about your kind and have
been keeping a watchful

Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. I have thoroughly refuted it but you can't
admit defeat to yourself.

No, you didn't.... NO COLLUSION.... Your pantsuit bitch was the one who had
it going on...

Post by Governor Swill
You continue to alter reality and refuse to
view it for what it is. While you and "your kind" sucks up to Putin,

When Putin was trying to sew discord in our elections, who obliged him, on
their knees?
You and the MSM, and adam schiff and clinton... Dude, you all were
swallowing every drop
and doing your damndest for them.... You didn't care about Russia as your
kind loved everyone
from Castro to Ortega to Chavez.... All you knew was that Russia was a good
as any excuse to
try an delegitimize Trump and our election process along the way... This
is what you can't defend..
You know it and everyone else knows this... You are the picture boy of
anti-Americanism...

Post by Governor Swill
arguably the most powerful dictator on the planet, you use your other
mouth to give lip service to principles of freedom and personal
liberty even while you do your best to force everybody else into
conformity with your ideas of what people should think and do with
their lives.
I don't know who this "you all"

Liberals you fucking clown... liberals...

Clave

2018-03-13 03:12:38 UTC

On 3/12/2018 7:14 PM, DoD wrote:

<...>

Post by DoD
When Putin was trying to sew

"SOW," you illiterate dunce.

discord in our elections, who obliged him,

Post by DoD
on their knees?
You and the MSM, and adam schiff and clinton...

Who's paying you to lie like this?

Or perhaps you just completely surrender your self-respect for free,
like so many other modern conservatives.

It amounts to the same thing either way -- you're a low-IQ rube
repeating what you've been told to say.

I mean it -- I've seen smarter parrots.

Oleg Smirnov

2018-03-13 03:16:25 UTC

You folks are both a caricature in the reality about the modern US.

Yep... One patriotic flag waving American that knew about your kind and
have been keeping a watchful

Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. I have thoroughly refuted it but you can't
admit defeat to yourself.

No, you didn't.... NO COLLUSION.... Your pantsuit bitch was the one who had
it going on...

Post by Governor Swill
You continue to alter reality and refuse to
view it for what it is. While you and "your kind" sucks up to Putin,

Don't invoke 'Putin' in vain. As I said, you righties have no your own
discourse, and you have to follow what the liberal scum slips under you.
This way they play you as simpletons.

You have enough discord among themselves on your own, - there's no need
for any 'Putin'. While campaigning, Trump said some positive things
towards Putin, while Putin offered a welcome to the Trump's intention to
normalize relations. It was what inspired the Obama-Clinton camp to
develop the idea of collusion, which later evolved into "Russia meddled
but not succeeded" and "tried to saw discord". Since you rightards have
no brain and prospective vision, you swallowed these leftist narratives,
and so, now you will have to prove, for life, that you are not traitors.
Trump also had made himself a lame duck in this way.

DoD

2018-03-13 03:33:30 UTC