BoJo’s Commons performance last night

[Stephen Cole]

Well, that was quite the spectacle. Whilst I didn’t expect any humility or
contrition from Johnson, I was genuinely shocked at the level of bombast
and bluster he rolled out, particularly later in the debate as he responded
to backbenchers.

First of all, his opening tantrum came across terribly, particularly so
when immediately compared to Corbyn’s response, which was very much “the
adult in the room” in style. Boris was clearly putting on a show but hasn’t
the gravitas to pull off the grandstanding; he just looks like a toff at
the debating society, which is unlikely to pick up many working class
“heartlands” votes.

Most upsetting, though, was the later stages. Deeply troubling though it
was to see the Prime Minister goading Labour backbenchers with the
assassination of Jo Cox, it was the clear relish with which he was setting
about on a pre-decided path to whip-up a fervour against Parliament in
order to carry a foul and toxic momentum into a “People vs The
Establishment” General Election. This is the stuff of fascists and tyrants,
and will end badly. Or at least it would if Johnson and his acolytes had
the gumption and talents that they believe they do. Fortunately, the last
few weeks have proved how deeply inadequate these people actually are but
the steps they are taking still carry the potential to set off trouble.
These are interesting times.

[m***@gmail.com]

Post by Stephen Cole
Well, that was quite the spectacle. Whilst I didn’t expect any humility or
contrition from Johnson, I was genuinely shocked at the level of bombast
and bluster he rolled out, particularly later in the debate as he responded
to backbenchers.
First of all, his opening tantrum came across terribly, particularly so
when immediately compared to Corbyn’s response, which was very much “the
adult in the room” in style. Boris was clearly putting on a show but hasn’t
the gravitas to pull off the grandstanding; he just looks like a toff at
the debating society, which is unlikely to pick up many working class
“heartlands” votes.
Most upsetting, though, was the later stages. Deeply troubling though it
was to see the Prime Minister goading Labour backbenchers with the
assassination of Jo Cox, it was the clear relish with which he was setting
about on a pre-decided path to whip-up a fervour against Parliament in
order to carry a foul and toxic momentum into a “People vs The
Establishment” General Election. This is the stuff of fascists and tyrants,
and will end badly. Or at least it would if Johnson and his acolytes had
the gumption and talents that they believe they do. Fortunately, the last
few weeks have proved how deeply inadequate these people actually are but
the steps they are taking still carry the potential to set off trouble.
These are interesting times.>>

Good post. Basically Boris is a spoiled kid, now not getting his own way. And a lazy kid to boot. No longer do we hear that the buck stops with Boris....instead it's everyone else's fault.

[4mat]

wasn't the person who shot jo cox,
a fervent 'brexiter' .. i can't figure out why boris johnson
would say that -- jo cox campaigned, was campaigning strongly,
for remain

so ....
boris johnson ..

it's the far right isn't it

thats his base

does he ever think at all .. does he pay attention to anything
that was 'off the cuff wasn't it'

bout one off the only 'onside' LBC djs, late last night, between
the irritating adverts, just about got it .. was trying to figure out
why boris johnson had stated, in response to an lbc djs question, during
the day, a complete falsehood, in what lady hale said

dj said "has he even read the judgement" .. but boris johnson stated twice
that ws the case, it was completely false, he breezes over things, he
distracts with 'eloquent' idiocy

he doesn't do any work -- he's a lazy, fat piece of shit, relying
constantly on his 'verbal flourishes' and the 35.2 watt club base he has,
the idiots in the uk -- express readers who are 'impressed by the
'genius'" of both him and 'rees mogg' .. as the express keeps telling us
"genius" .... they state nothing .. for rees mogg to state that this was
a "constituational coup" .. what an idiot .. it was the supreme court,
all 11 judges.

MSM, led by the daily telegraph is fully on the side of boris johnson,
guardian, with it's indiduous leaders, is fully on the side of this
criminal -- for the telegraph etc. to follow. Course they are fully
extorting now as the 'newspaper of justice/jouranlism' .. 'donate', they
say 'protect your rights' ... they have been wrecking corbyn (phase 8),
for days since the conference, in a baseless way

lady hale stated quite straightly that borises reason for suspension was
a complete falsehood, a lie. "it needs 3 days to organise a queens
speech" 3-6 was it, she said. Not a complete suspension, now, for one
reason only. Boris johnson and his thugs are liars. How do they think
they are going to win an election based on this. answer: it's the
formula, the outrage -- seize power, in the name of "democracy" .. all
they state, again and again, is that brexit, is "the will of the people".
He states again and again that "people want to leave" ...

supported totally, by the false MSM, it being 'north korea lite' -- state
media lockdown. All journalists in the UK are liars, -- they do not have
jobs, unless they are willing to lie for the government. State the
government line, or your are jobless -- fact. The guardian is
facilitating this dicator.

[Rod Speed]

wasn't the person who shot jo cox, a fervent 'brexiter' ..

Nope, just a rabid loony.

[Roger Hayter]

Post by Rod Speed

wasn't the person who shot jo cox, a fervent 'brexiter' ..

Nope, just a rabid loony.

I don't normally reply to professional trolls but this should not stand
unchallenged. The killer was a member of a small cell of far right
activists who planned an atrocity, including attacking an MP,
deliberately to further their cause. The other members of the cell have
mainly been charged with being members of an illegal organisation, as
there was said to be insufficient evidence that they helped plan this
specifici murder to charge them in the Jo Cox case. But they had all
planned terrorism. The murder was unrelated to any mental illness.

[Incubus]

Post by Roger Hayter

Post by Rod Speed

wasn't the person who shot jo cox, a fervent 'brexiter' ..

Nope, just a rabid loony.

I don't normally reply to professional trolls but this should not stand
unchallenged. The killer was a member of a small cell of far right
activists who planned an atrocity, including attacking an MP,
deliberately to further their cause. The other members of the cell have
mainly been charged with being members of an illegal organisation, as
there was said to be insufficient evidence that they helped plan this
specifici murder to charge them in the Jo Cox case. But they had all
planned terrorism. The murder was unrelated to any mental illness.

I don't think this is correct. He was a lone nutter. Nothing to do with
National Action, who were convicted of planning such an atrocity (planning
meaning talking shit to one another which was prosecuted for political gain).

[Ian Jackson]

Post by Incubus

Post by Roger Hayter

Post by Rod Speed

wasn't the person who shot jo cox, a fervent 'brexiter' ..

Nope, just a rabid loony.

I don't normally reply to professional trolls but this should not stand
unchallenged. The killer was a member of a small cell of far right
activists who planned an atrocity, including attacking an MP,
deliberately to further their cause. The other members of the cell have
mainly been charged with being members of an illegal organisation, as
there was said to be insufficient evidence that they helped plan this
specifici murder to charge them in the Jo Cox case. But they had all
planned terrorism. The murder was unrelated to any mental illness.

I don't think this is correct. He was a lone nutter. Nothing to do with
National Action, who were convicted of planning such an atrocity (planning
meaning talking shit to one another which was prosecuted for political gain).

You don't have to be a member of anything to be influenced by the
rhetoric and the sort of views they espouse.

[mechanic]

Post by Roger Hayter
The murder was unrelated to any mental illness.

An entirely rational act then?

[dennis@home]

Post by Roger Hayter

Post by Rod Speed

wasn't the person who shot jo cox, a fervent 'brexiter' ..

Nope, just a rabid loony.

I don't normally reply to professional trolls but this should not stand
unchallenged. The killer was a member of a small cell of far right
activists who planned an atrocity, including attacking an MP,
deliberately to further their cause. The other members of the cell have
mainly been charged with being members of an illegal organisation, as
there was said to be insufficient evidence that they helped plan this
specifici murder to charge them in the Jo Cox case. But they had all
planned terrorism. The murder was unrelated to any mental illness.

It wouldn't be the first time people have attacked the side they are on
to generate public sympathy by making it look like their opponents.

Its what boris is doing now in the commons.

I hope he gets caught out the same as Jo's killers were and exposed for
what they are and not what brexiteers claim they were.

It shows the depths brexiteers will sink to by claiming Jo's killer was
a remain supporter when he was a leave supporter.

Brexiteers in the DIY group have proved they are scum.

[Peeler]

On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:19:54 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Post by Rod Speed

wasn't the person who shot jo cox, a fervent 'brexiter' ..

Nope, just a rabid loony.

Unlike you??? ROTFLOL

[Stephen Cole]

Post by 4mat
wasn't the person who shot jo cox,
a fervent 'brexiter' .. i can't figure out why boris johnson
would say that -- jo cox campaigned, was campaigning strongly,
for remain

Her murderer was a neo - Nazi, not the same at all.

We’ve covered this before, Brian, and you’ve been provided with the
evidence from his own mouth that proves her killer was a fervent Brexiteer,
so it’s a little silly of you to play ignorant here. If the actions of your
Leave fellow travellers make you feel uncomfortable then you should
publicly denounce them and repudiate your shared views. Will you finally do
the decent thing?

[Brian Gaff]

Don't be shy tell us what you really think.
grin
I do not see any statesmen amongst the lot of them, I do however feel that
despite his age, Kenneth Clarke is a very steady person and has always been
honest, even though I do not always agree with him. That was probably why
Boris chucked him out.
Brian
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Post by 4mat
wasn't the person who shot jo cox,
a fervent 'brexiter' .. i can't figure out why boris johnson
would say that -- jo cox campaigned, was campaigning strongly,
for remain
so ....
boris johnson ..
it's the far right isn't it
thats his base
does he ever think at all .. does he pay attention to anything
that was 'off the cuff wasn't it'
bout one off the only 'onside' LBC djs, late last night, between
the irritating adverts, just about got it .. was trying to figure out
why boris johnson had stated, in response to an lbc djs question, during
the day, a complete falsehood, in what lady hale said
dj said "has he even read the judgement" .. but boris johnson stated twice
that ws the case, it was completely false, he breezes over things, he
distracts with 'eloquent' idiocy
he doesn't do any work -- he's a lazy, fat piece of shit, relying
constantly on his 'verbal flourishes' and the 35.2 watt club base he has,
the idiots in the uk -- express readers who are 'impressed by the
'genius'" of both him and 'rees mogg' .. as the express keeps telling us
"genius" .... they state nothing .. for rees mogg to state that this was
a "constituational coup" .. what an idiot .. it was the supreme court,
all 11 judges.
MSM, led by the daily telegraph is fully on the side of boris johnson,
guardian, with it's indiduous leaders, is fully on the side of this
criminal -- for the telegraph etc. to follow. Course they are fully
extorting now as the 'newspaper of justice/jouranlism' .. 'donate', they
say 'protect your rights' ... they have been wrecking corbyn (phase 8),
for days since the conference, in a baseless way
lady hale stated quite straightly that borises reason for suspension was
a complete falsehood, a lie. "it needs 3 days to organise a queens
speech" 3-6 was it, she said. Not a complete suspension, now, for one
reason only. Boris johnson and his thugs are liars. How do they think
they are going to win an election based on this. answer: it's the
formula, the outrage -- seize power, in the name of "democracy" .. all
they state, again and again, is that brexit, is "the will of the people".
He states again and again that "people want to leave" ...
supported totally, by the false MSM, it being 'north korea lite' -- state
media lockdown. All journalists in the UK are liars, -- they do not have
jobs, unless they are willing to lie for the government. State the
government line, or your are jobless -- fact. The guardian is
facilitating this dicator.

[Roger]

Post by 4mat
wasn't the person who shot jo cox,
a fervent 'brexiter' .. i can't figure out why boris johnson
would say that -- jo cox campaigned, was campaigning strongly,
for remain

Oddly, the same people who maintain that we should not judge Muslims on basis of actions by ISIS are also maintaining that we should judge Brexiters by the actions of a neo-Nazi.

The response to Jo Cox's murderer should be to resolve differences in parliament, not by violence.

[The Todal]

Post by Stephen Cole
Well, that was quite the spectacle. Whilst I didn’t expect any humility or
contrition from Johnson, I was genuinely shocked at the level of bombast
and bluster he rolled out, particularly later in the debate as he responded
to backbenchers.
First of all, his opening tantrum came across terribly, particularly so
when immediately compared to Corbyn’s response, which was very much “the
adult in the room” in style. Boris was clearly putting on a show but hasn’t
the gravitas to pull off the grandstanding; he just looks like a toff at
the debating society, which is unlikely to pick up many working class
“heartlands” votes.
Most upsetting, though, was the later stages. Deeply troubling though it
was to see the Prime Minister goading Labour backbenchers with the
assassination of Jo Cox, it was the clear relish with which he was setting
about on a pre-decided path to whip-up a fervour against Parliament in
order to carry a foul and toxic momentum into a “People vs The
Establishment” General Election. This is the stuff of fascists and tyrants,
and will end badly. Or at least it would if Johnson and his acolytes had
the gumption and talents that they believe they do. Fortunately, the last
few weeks have proved how deeply inadequate these people actually are but
the steps they are taking still carry the potential to set off trouble.
These are interesting times.

I watched the Commons debate from the point after Boris had left. Anna
Soubry's speech was very poignant. Boris has disgraced himself and has
been reproached by people on both sides of the House.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/25/pm-branded-a-disgrace-after-saying-best-way-to-honour-jo-cox-is-to-deliver-brexit

[Stephen Cole]

Post by The Todal

Post by Stephen Cole
Well, that was quite the spectacle. Whilst I didn’t expect any humility or
contrition from Johnson, I was genuinely shocked at the level of bombast
and bluster he rolled out, particularly later in the debate as he responded
to backbenchers.
First of all, his opening tantrum came across terribly, particularly so
when immediately compared to Corbyn’s response, which was very much “the
adult in the room” in style. Boris was clearly putting on a show but hasn’t
the gravitas to pull off the grandstanding; he just looks like a toff at
the debating society, which is unlikely to pick up many working class
“heartlands” votes.
Most upsetting, though, was the later stages. Deeply troubling though it
was to see the Prime Minister goading Labour backbenchers with the
assassination of Jo Cox, it was the clear relish with which he was setting
about on a pre-decided path to whip-up a fervour against Parliament in
order to carry a foul and toxic momentum into a “People vs The
Establishment” General Election. This is the stuff of fascists and tyrants,
and will end badly. Or at least it would if Johnson and his acolytes had
the gumption and talents that they believe they do. Fortunately, the last
few weeks have proved how deeply inadequate these people actually are but
the steps they are taking still carry the potential to set off trouble.
These are interesting times.

I watched the Commons debate from the point after Boris had left. Anna
Soubry's speech was very poignant. Boris has disgraced himself and has
been reproached by people on both sides of the House.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/25/pm-branded-a-disgrace-after-saying-best-way-to-honour-jo-cox-is-to-deliver-brexit

Indeed. Whilst I think it’s clear what he’s trying to gain by acting like
this, I do think that there will be unintended consequences that will far
outweigh any benefit he may gain. I mean, it’s very unlikely that he’ll get
the early election he needs (ie, called before no deal is made impossible
by the securing of an extension) but there will be an election at some
point soon and the Tories may well make some hay from the People vs
Parliament narrative he’s laying down. But if a deranged Brexiteer
slaughters another Remain MP on the campaign trail, there’ll be blood on
Boris’ hands.

Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable to see
the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The Opposition to call
no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing happened before?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable to
see the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The Opposition
to call no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing happened
before?

He wants an election only in his time scale. So the 31st will come before
a new parliament can do anything about it. If we have an election before
Brexit, TBP will take many votes from the Tories, and Boris toast.

Only a fool would have taken the job as PM at this time. And Boris is
proving to be that more as each day goes on.

[Martin Brown]

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable to see
the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The Opposition to call
no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.

In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.

It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

If we must have a HIGNFY comedian Prime Minister how about Ian Hislop or
Paul Merton. I am sure they would be much more careful with their words.

[Incubus]

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable to see
the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The Opposition to call
no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The cabal of
Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker certainly don't
represent the people. They have trampled over precedent and we now have the
bizarre situation where the elected government is not being allowed to govern.
That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

[nightjar]

On 26/09/2019 11:57, Incubus wrote:
...

Post by Incubus
Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The cabal of
Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker certainly don't
represent the people. ...

The polls suggest otherwise:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/remain-55-45-second-referendum-brexit-poll/

and they have done so for quite some time:

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-tomorrow-with-the-option-of-accepting-the-governments-brexit-agreement-or-leaving-the-eu-without-a-deal-which-would-you-support-2-3/

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/should-the-united-kingdom-remain-a-member-of-the-european-union-or-leave-the-european-union-asked-after-the-referendum/

[Incubus]

Post by nightjar
...

Post by Incubus
Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The cabal of
Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker certainly don't
represent the people. ...

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/remain-55-45-second-referendum-brexit-poll/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-tomorrow-with-the-option-of-accepting-the-governments-brexit-agreement-or-leaving-the-eu-without-a-deal-which-would-you-support-2-3/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/should-the-united-kingdom-remain-a-member-of-the-european-union-or-leave-the-european-union-asked-after-the-referendum/

The first one had a sample size of 1,070. I didn't bother looking at the rest.

[dennis@home]

Post by Incubus

Post by nightjar
...

Post by Incubus
Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The cabal of
Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker certainly don't
represent the people. ...

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/remain-55-45-second-referendum-brexit-poll/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-tomorrow-with-the-option-of-accepting-the-governments-brexit-agreement-or-leaving-the-eu-without-a-deal-which-would-you-support-2-3/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/should-the-united-kingdom-remain-a-member-of-the-european-union-or-leave-the-european-union-asked-after-the-referendum/

The first one had a sample size of 1,070. I didn't bother looking at the rest.

If you understand statistics you will know that a sample size of 1000
gives a good accuracy.

[Roger Hayter]

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable to see
the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The Opposition to call
no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The cabal of
Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker certainly don't
represent the people. They have trampled over precedent and we now have the
bizarre situation where the elected government is not being allowed to govern.
That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

We don't elect governments. We elect MPs. And Boris's right to govern
is dependent upon him having a the support of a majority of MPs.

[Dan S. MacAbre]

Post by Roger Hayter

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable to see
the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The Opposition to call
no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The cabal of
Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker certainly don't
represent the people. They have trampled over precedent and we now have the
bizarre situation where the elected government is not being allowed to govern.
That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

We don't elect governments. We elect MPs. And Boris's right to govern
is dependent upon him having a the support of a majority of MPs.

I suspect that most people vote for their favourite party, in the hope
that they will end up with the government of their choice. That some of
those MPs are carpet-baggers is a situation that all parties seem
currently to be addressing one way or another as politics settles around
a leave/remain axis. I'm sure you've seen this, which nicely
illustrates the struggle for dominance in the two camps. :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

[Incubus]

Post by Roger Hayter

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable to see
the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The Opposition to call
no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The cabal of
Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker certainly don't
represent the people. They have trampled over precedent and we now have the
bizarre situation where the elected government is not being allowed to govern.
That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

We don't elect governments. We elect MPs.

And those elected MPs form a government. Perhaps you've been visiting Todal
for lessons in equivocation.

Post by Roger Hayter
And Boris's right to govern
is dependent upon him having a the support of a majority of MPs.

He is still the Prime Minister and heads up the government. If MPs don't like
that, there are options they can consider such as a vote of confidence or a
General Election.

[dennis@home]

Post by Incubus
He is still the Prime Minister and heads up the government. If MPs don't like
that, there are options they can consider such as a vote of confidence or a
General Election.

Just wait until an extention is in place and watch boris not want an
election.

He didn't want an election when he prorouged parliament but did when he
thought it would be declare null and void.

Only idiots fall for his antics.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Roger Hayter

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable to see
the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The Opposition to call
no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The cabal of
Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker certainly don't
represent the people. They have trampled over precedent and we now have the
bizarre situation where the elected government is not being allowed to govern.
That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

We don't elect governments. We elect MPs. And Boris's right to govern
is dependent upon him having a the support of a majority of MPs.

And if he hasn't then they should have a vote of no confidence and an
election because no other person has the confidence of the MPs either.
So we need new MPS.
But turkeys dont vote for christmas and this lot know they are for the
roasting oven.

They are more than usually cuntish in their behaviour

[Norman Wells]

Post by Roger Hayter

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable to see
the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The Opposition to call
no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The cabal of
Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker certainly don't
represent the people. They have trampled over precedent and we now have the
bizarre situation where the elected government is not being allowed to govern.
That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

We don't elect governments. We elect MPs. And Boris's right to govern
is dependent upon him having a the support of a majority of MPs.

Which he doesn't. So, who does? If no-one then we surely have to have
a general election.

[Martin Brown]

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable to see
the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The Opposition to call
no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The cabal of
Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker certainly don't
represent the people. They have trampled over precedent and we now have the
bizarre situation where the elected government is not being allowed to govern.
That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

Prime Minister Johnson has *no* mandate to govern after he threw away
his miniscule majority in an even more cavalier manner than May did.

[Roger]

Post by Martin Brown
Prime Minister Johnson has *no* mandate to govern after he threw away
his miniscule majority in an even more cavalier manner than May did.

The normal solution to government with no mandate is a vote of no confidence.

This would allow the government to be replaced immediately if an alternative were available.

So why is parliament not doing this?

[Incubus]

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable to see
the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The Opposition to call
no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The cabal of
Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker certainly don't
represent the people. They have trampled over precedent and we now have the
bizarre situation where the elected government is not being allowed to govern.
That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

Prime Minister Johnson has *no* mandate to govern after he threw away
his miniscule majority in an even more cavalier manner than May did.

Actually, he does, until such time as a confidence vote or a General Election
says otherwise. The opposition (or rather, the cabal of Remainers) certainly
has no mandate, popular or otherwise.

[Martin Brown]

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable to see
the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The Opposition to call
no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The cabal of
Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker certainly don't
represent the people. They have trampled over precedent and we now have the
bizarre situation where the elected government is not being allowed to govern.
That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

Prime Minister Johnson has *no* mandate to govern after he threw away
his miniscule majority in an even more cavalier manner than May did.

Actually, he does, until such time as a confidence vote or a General Election
says otherwise. The opposition (or rather, the cabal of Remainers) certainly
has no mandate, popular or otherwise.

He can only hope to pass the most trivial uncontroversial legislation
(if that). He is in effect stuck on a zip-wire and totally impotent. The
opposition parties can cut him down at a time of *their* choosing.

Chances are he won't even be able to get them time off now to go to the
Conservative Party conference in Manchester such is his low standing.

He can bloviate, bluff and bluster all he likes - the opposition just
have to keep their nerve and stone wall until 31/10 goes past. Then they
can deliver the coup de grace. The next election will be very messy.

Not so much dog whistle politics as fog horn politics.

Boris will make it into the record books but for all the wrong reasons.

[abelard]

On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 13:49:17 +0100, Martin Brown

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable to see
the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The Opposition to call
no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The cabal of
Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker certainly don't
represent the people. They have trampled over precedent and we now have the
bizarre situation where the elected government is not being allowed to govern.
That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

Prime Minister Johnson has *no* mandate to govern after he threw away
his miniscule majority in an even more cavalier manner than May did.

Actually, he does, until such time as a confidence vote or a General Election
says otherwise. The opposition (or rather, the cabal of Remainers) certainly
has no mandate, popular or otherwise.

He can only hope to pass the most trivial uncontroversial legislation
(if that). He is in effect stuck on a zip-wire and totally impotent. The
opposition parties can cut him down at a time of *their* choosing.
Chances are he won't even be able to get them time off now to go to the
Conservative Party conference in Manchester such is his low standing.
He can bloviate, bluff and bluster all he likes - the opposition just
have to keep their nerve and stone wall until 31/10 goes past. Then they
can deliver the coup de grace. The next election will be very messy.
Not so much dog whistle politics as fog horn politics.
Boris will make it into the record books but for all the wrong reasons.

and that was a broadcast on behalf of the fascist 'new' labour cult

[Norman Wells]

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown
Prime Minister Johnson has *no* mandate to govern after he threw away
his miniscule majority in an even more cavalier manner than May did.

Actually, he does, until such time as a confidence vote or a General Election
says otherwise.  The opposition (or rather, the cabal of Remainers)
certainly has no mandate, popular or otherwise.

He can only hope to pass the most trivial uncontroversial legislation
(if that). He is in effect stuck on a zip-wire and totally impotent. The
opposition parties can cut him down at a time of *their* choosing.
Chances are he won't even be able to get them time off now to go to the
Conservative Party conference in Manchester such is his low standing.
He can bloviate, bluff and bluster all he likes - the opposition just
have to keep their nerve and stone wall until 31/10 goes past. Then they
can deliver the coup de grace. The next election will be very messy.

But what makes you think he wouldn't win it?

[dennis@home]

Post by Incubus
Actually, he does, until such time as a confidence vote or a General Election
says otherwise. The opposition (or rather, the cabal of Remainers) certainly
has no mandate, popular or otherwise.

Of course they do, they are in the majority.

[charles]

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable
to see the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The
Opposition to call no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing
happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The
cabal of Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker
certainly don't represent the people. They have trampled over precedent
and we now have the bizarre situation where the elected government is not
being allowed to govern. That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

The Supreme Court said:
. But the longer that Parliament stands prorogued, the greater the risk
that responsible government may be replaced by unaccountable
government: the antithesis of the democratic model.

This is how the Nazis took power in Germany.

[abelard]

Post by charles

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable
to see the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The
Opposition to call no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing
happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The
cabal of Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker
certainly don't represent the people. They have trampled over precedent
and we now have the bizarre situation where the elected government is not
being allowed to govern. That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

. But the longer that Parliament stands prorogued, the greater the risk
that responsible government may be replaced by unaccountable
government: the antithesis of the democratic model.
This is how the Nazis took power in Germany.

you are getting confused...
the longer they avoid an election...
the longer they tolerate unelected 'judges' to make
political decisions

the government is presently unaccountable time servers
avoiding the democratically expressed will of the people

[Incubus]

Post by abelard

Post by charles

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable
to see the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The
Opposition to call no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing
happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The
cabal of Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker
certainly don't represent the people. They have trampled over precedent
and we now have the bizarre situation where the elected government is not
being allowed to govern. That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

. But the longer that Parliament stands prorogued, the greater the risk
that responsible government may be replaced by unaccountable
government: the antithesis of the democratic model.
This is how the Nazis took power in Germany.

you are getting confused...
the longer they avoid an election...
the longer they tolerate unelected 'judges' to make
political decisions
the government is presently unaccountable time servers
avoiding the democratically expressed will of the people

Precisely correct.

[dennis@home]

8<

Post by Incubus

Post by abelard
you are getting confused...
the longer they avoid an election...
the longer they tolerate unelected 'judges' to make
political decisions
the government is presently unaccountable time servers
avoiding the democratically expressed will of the people

Precisely correct.

Yes as long as you remember boris and co are the government, so I have
to agree with you that they are trying everything they can to avoid
democracy.

The real problem is that quite alot of people choose to believe
something else.

[Grik-basturd®™]

Post by charles

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable
to see the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The
Opposition to call no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing
happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The
cabal of Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker
certainly don't represent the people. They have trampled over precedent
and we now have the bizarre situation where the elected government is not
being allowed to govern. That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

. But the longer that Parliament stands prorogued, the greater the risk
that responsible government may be replaced by unaccountable
government: the antithesis of the democratic model.
This is how the Nazis took power in Germany.

The Nazis prorogued Parliament???

[abelard]

On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 05:06:46 -0700, Grik-basturd®™

Post by Grik-basturd®™

Post by charles

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable
to see the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The
Opposition to call no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing
happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The
cabal of Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker
certainly don't represent the people. They have trampled over precedent
and we now have the bizarre situation where the elected government is not
being allowed to govern. That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

. But the longer that Parliament stands prorogued, the greater the risk
that responsible government may be replaced by unaccountable
government: the antithesis of the democratic model.
This is how the Nazis took power in Germany.

The Nazis prorogued Parliament???

permanently...well for a thousand years anyways

[Peeler]

On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 14:20:05 +0200, abeltard, the notorious, troll-feeding,

Post by abelard

Post by Grik-basturd®™
The Nazis prorogued Parliament???

permanently...well for a thousand years anyways

Was that really necessary, you troll-feeding, senile asshole?

[Grik-basturd®™]

Post by abelard
On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 05:06:46 -0700, Grik-basturd®™

Post by Grik-basturd®™

Post by charles

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable
to see the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The
Opposition to call no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing
happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The
cabal of Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker
certainly don't represent the people. They have trampled over precedent
and we now have the bizarre situation where the elected government is not
being allowed to govern. That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

. But the longer that Parliament stands prorogued, the greater the risk
that responsible government may be replaced by unaccountable
government: the antithesis of the democratic model.
This is how the Nazis took power in Germany.

The Nazis prorogued Parliament???

permanently...well for a thousand years anyways

Is that your autistic conclusion?

[Peeler]

On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 06:56:37 -0700, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous

Post by Grik-basturd®™

Post by abelard
permanently...well for a thousand years anyways

Is that your autistic conclusion?

Is that another demonstration of your clinical insanity, dreckserb?

[charles]

Post by Grik-basturd®™

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite
remarkable to see the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader
Of The Opposition to call no confidence in the Government. Has such
a thing happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the
DUP another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement
renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government
is likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to
lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their
audience up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships
get started. A demagogue who claims to represent "the people"
against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The
cabal of Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker
certainly don't represent the people. They have trampled over
precedent and we now have the bizarre situation where the elected
government is not being allowed to govern. That doesn't appear to
concern you one bit.

The Supreme Court said: . But the longer that Parliament stands
prorogued, the greater the risk that responsible government may
be replaced by unaccountable government: the antithesis of the
democratic model.
This is how the Nazis took power in Germany.

The Nazis prorogued Parliament???

prorogued is a peculiarly British thing, but they did the German
equivalent.

[abelard]

Post by charles

Post by Grik-basturd®™

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite
remarkable to see the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader
Of The Opposition to call no confidence in the Government. Has such
a thing happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the
DUP another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement
renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government
is likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to
lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their
audience up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships
get started. A demagogue who claims to represent "the people"
against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The
cabal of Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker
certainly don't represent the people. They have trampled over
precedent and we now have the bizarre situation where the elected
government is not being allowed to govern. That doesn't appear to
concern you one bit.

The Supreme Court said: . But the longer that Parliament stands
prorogued, the greater the risk that responsible government may
be replaced by unaccountable government: the antithesis of the
democratic model.
This is how the Nazis took power in Germany.

The Nazis prorogued Parliament???

prorogued is a peculiarly British thing, but they did the German
equivalent.

what? shooting or starving any opponent?

[Peeler]

On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 05:06:46 -0700, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous

Post by Grik-basturd®™

Post by charles
. But the longer that Parliament stands prorogued, the greater the risk
that responsible government may be replaced by unaccountable
government: the antithesis of the democratic model.
This is how the Nazis took power in Germany.

The Nazis prorogued Parliament???

Kinda! Get an education, pedophilic Retardovic!

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Grik-basturd®™

Post by charles

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable
to see the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The
Opposition to call no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing
happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The
cabal of Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker
certainly don't represent the people. They have trampled over precedent
and we now have the bizarre situation where the elected government is not
being allowed to govern. That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

. But the longer that Parliament stands prorogued, the greater the risk
that responsible government may be replaced by unaccountable
government: the antithesis of the democratic model.
This is how the Nazis took power in Germany.

The Nazis prorogued Parliament???

I think he means that responsible government was replaced by
unaccountable government, the same model that the EU uses.

[Incubus]

Post by charles

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable
to see the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The
Opposition to call no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing
happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The
cabal of Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker
certainly don't represent the people. They have trampled over precedent
and we now have the bizarre situation where the elected government is not
being allowed to govern. That doesn't appear to concern you one bit.

. But the longer that Parliament stands prorogued, the greater the risk
that responsible government may be replaced by unaccountable
government: the antithesis of the democratic model.
This is how the Nazis took power in Germany.

Er, for how long was Parliament to be prorogued?

[Norman Wells]

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable to see
the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The Opposition to call
no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The cabal of
Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker certainly don't
represent the people. They have trampled over precedent and we now have the
bizarre situation where the elected government is not being allowed to govern.

*And* the opposition is unwilling to remove it or put it to the
electorate to assume power itself.

It's bizarre and unprecedented game playing.

[Incubus]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by Incubus

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Stephen Cole
Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable to see
the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The Opposition to call
no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing happened before?

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least he won't need to slip the DUP
another billion pound bung for confidence and supply agreement renewal.
In this topsy-turvy "through the looking glass" world the government is
likely to move a vote of no confidence in itself intending to lose.
It is horrific to watch someone skilled in oratory whip their audience
up into a frenzy. This *is* historically how dictatorships get started.
A demagogue who claims to represent "the people" against parliament...

Yet, your histrionics aside, that is precisely what he is doing. The cabal of
Remainer MPs working in concert with a partisan speaker certainly don't
represent the people. They have trampled over precedent and we now have the
bizarre situation where the elected government is not being allowed to govern.

*And* the opposition is unwilling to remove it or put it to the
electorate to assume power itself.
It's bizarre and unprecedented game playing.

It's a political stalemate and it seems to me that the country loses overall,
whichever side you are on in the "Brexit" debate. They, not Boris, have caused
untold damage to democracy in this country.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by The Todal
I watched the Commons debate from the point after Boris had left. Anna
Soubry's speech was very poignant. Boris has disgraced himself and has
been reproached by people on both sides of the House.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/25/pm-branded-a-disgrace-after-saying-best-way-to-honour-jo-cox-is-to-deliver-brexit

Oddly every single medioa outrlest I have read today - I wouldnt
pollute my brain with the guardian - says the exact opposite.

More fake news?

[The Todal]

Post by The Todal
I watched the Commons debate from the point after Boris had left. Anna
Soubry's speech was very poignant. Boris has disgraced himself and has
been reproached by people on both sides of the House.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/25/pm-branded-a-disgrace-after-saying-best-way-to-honour-jo-cox-is-to-deliver-brexit

Oddly every single medioa outrlest I have read today  - I wouldnt
pollute my brain with the guardian - says the exact opposite.
More fake news?

Yours is fake news. Educate yourself.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/anger-in-commons-as-boris-johnson-tells-mps-to-deliver-brexit-to-stay-safe-q8mrj5s85

Boris Johnson is facing a backlash from parliamentarians and the widower
of Jo Cox for using an extraordinary appearance in the Commons to tell
MPs that they must deliver Brexit in order to be “properly safe”.

Ms Morgan was the first cabinet minister to wade into the row by saying
she knew that Mr Johnson was “aware of and sympathetic about” threats
MPs received because she had “shared with him recently the threats I am
getting”. She added: “But at a time of strong feelings we all need to
remind ourselves of the effect of everything we say on those watching us.”

The former home secretary Amber Rudd took up Mr Johnson’s reply to Ms
Sherriff. “I think it’s wrong,” she said. “I think this approach is both
dishonest and dangerous. Dishonest because there were legitimate
differences of opinion among different MPs, different factions and we
need to find the common ground, and dangerous because it starts to ramp
up people’s behaviour against the MPs and against different people.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7506615/Boris-Johnson-forced-apologise-furious-Commons-speech.html

Boris Johnson could be forced to apologise for his furious Commons
speech amid backlash for his claim the 'best way to honour' murdered MP
Jo Cox 'is to deliver Brexit'

Opposition MPs responded to Mr Johnson's comments by claiming he has 'no
moral compass of any kind' as they claimed he is 'totally unfit for
office'.

Members of Mr Johnson's Cabinet also appeared to express disquiet at the
remarks.

Anger levels then spiked after Labour MP Paula Sheriff said the PM
'should be absolutely ashamed of himself' over his Brexit rhetoric as
she pointed to Ms Cox's commemorative shield which is on the wall in the
Commons chamber.

Ms Sheriff said: 'We stand here under the shield of our departed friend.
Many of us in this place are subject to death threats and abuse every
single day.

'Let me tell the Prime Minister that they often quote his
words—surrender Act, betrayal, traitor—and I, for one, am sick of it.'

She told the PM politicians 'must moderate our language' but he replied:
'I have to say that I have never heard such humbug in all my life.'

He also said the 'best way to honour the memory of Jo Cox, and indeed to
bring this country together, would be, I think, to get Brexit done'

[dennis@home]

Post by The Todal
I watched the Commons debate from the point after Boris had left. Anna
Soubry's speech was very poignant. Boris has disgraced himself and has
been reproached by people on both sides of the House.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/25/pm-branded-a-disgrace-after-saying-best-way-to-honour-jo-cox-is-to-deliver-brexit

Oddly every single medioa outrlest I have read today  - I wouldnt
pollute my brain with the guardian - says the exact opposite.
More fake news?

more lies from turnip

[Roger Hayter]

Well, that was quite the spectacle. Whilst I didn't expect any humility or
contrition from Johnson, I was genuinely shocked at the level of bombast
and bluster he rolled out, particularly later in the debate as he responded
to backbenchers.
First of all, his opening tantrum came across terribly, particularly so
when immediately compared to Corbyn's response, which was very much "the
adult in the room" in style. Boris was clearly putting on a show but hasn't
the gravitas to pull off the grandstanding; he just looks like a toff at
the debating society, which is unlikely to pick up many working class
"heartlands" votes.

Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a lot of people in said heartlands
who really love to have a toff to look up to and take their opinions
from. This may seem strange to you and I but it is a real thing.

Most upsetting, though, was the later stages. Deeply troubling though it
was to see the Prime Minister goading Labour backbenchers with the
assassination of Jo Cox, it was the clear relish with which he was setting
about on a pre-decided path to whip-up a fervour against Parliament in
order to carry a foul and toxic momentum into a "People vs The
Establishment" General Election. This is the stuff of fascists and tyrants,
and will end badly. Or at least it would if Johnson and his acolytes had
the gumption and talents that they believe they do. Fortunately, the last
few weeks have proved how deeply inadequate these people actually are but
the steps they are taking still carry the potential to set off trouble.
These are interesting times.

[Jim GM4DHJ ...]

Post by Roger Hayter

Well, that was quite the spectacle. Whilst I didn't expect any humility or
contrition from Johnson, I was genuinely shocked at the level of bombast
and bluster he rolled out, particularly later in the debate as he responded
to backbenchers.
First of all, his opening tantrum came across terribly, particularly so
when immediately compared to Corbyn's response, which was very much "the
adult in the room" in style. Boris was clearly putting on a show but hasn't
the gravitas to pull off the grandstanding; he just looks like a toff at
the debating society, which is unlikely to pick up many working class
"heartlands" votes.

Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a lot of people in said heartlands
who really love to have a toff to look up to and take their opinions
from. This may seem strange to you and I but it is a real thing.

Most upsetting, though, was the later stages. Deeply troubling though it
was to see the Prime Minister goading Labour backbenchers with the
assassination of Jo Cox, it was the clear relish with which he was setting
about on a pre-decided path to whip-up a fervour against Parliament in
order to carry a foul and toxic momentum into a "People vs The
Establishment" General Election. This is the stuff of fascists and tyrants,
and will end badly. Or at least it would if Johnson and his acolytes had
the gumption and talents that they believe they do. Fortunately, the last
few weeks have proved how deeply inadequate these people actually are but
the steps they are taking still carry the potential to set off trouble.
These are interesting times.

Toff.... I haven't heard that word for ages..........

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Roger Hayter
Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a lot of people in said heartlands
who really love to have a toff to look up to and take their opinions
from. This may seem stra nge to you and I but it is a real thing.

Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a lot of people in Labour heartlands
who really love to have a complete undeucated lying arsehole to look up
to and take their opinions from. This may seem strange to you and I but
it is a real thing.

[Joe]

On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 10:18:54 +0100

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Roger Hayter
Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a lot of people in said
heartlands
who really love to have a toff to look up to and take their opinions
from. This may seem stra nge to you and I but it is a real thing.

Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a lot of people in Labour
heartlands who really love to have a complete undeucated lying
arsehole to look up to and take their opinions from. This may seem
strange to you and I but it is a real thing.

Blair won three elections...

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Joe
On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 10:18:54 +0100

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Roger Hayter
Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a lot of people in said heartlands
who really love to have a toff to look up to and take their opinions
from. This may seem stra nge to you and I but it is a real thing.

Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a lot of people in Labour
heartlands who really love to have a complete undeucated lying
arsehole to look up to and take their opinions from. This may seem
strange to you and I but it is a real thing.

Blair won three elections...

QED

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Stephen Cole
Most upsetting, though, was the later stages. Deeply troubling though it
was to see the Prime Minister goading Labour backbenchers with the
assassination of Jo Cox, it was the clear relish with which he was setting
about on a pre-decided path to whip-up a fervour against Parliament in
order to carry a foul and toxic momentum into a ”People vs The
Establishment• General Election.

When Red Robbo, etc, whipped up the masses against the establisment at a
meeting with his rhetoric, it was a 'bad thing'. When a public school boy
attempts the same, he is a man of the people. How easily some are fooled.

[Moomin]

On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 11:19:55 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

How easily some are

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
fooled.

Joining the Common Market was one such occasion.