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Canada/Manitoba: The Queen of Canada statue toppled
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A. Filip
2021-07-02 10:36:43 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/02/queen-victoria-statue-toppled-in-canada-amid-anger-at-deaths-of-indigenous-children
Fri 2 Jul 2021
Statues of Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth II have been toppled in
Canada amid growing outrage over the discovery of unmarked graves
belonging to Indigenous children.
A group gathered at the Manitoba legislature pulled down the statue of
Victoria on Canada Day […[
A smaller statue of Elizabeth was also toppled on the east side of the
grounds. […]
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Pancho
2021-07-02 11:22:23 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/02/queen-victoria-statue-toppled-in-canada-amid-anger-at-deaths-of-indigenous-children
Fri 2 Jul 2021
Statues of Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth II have been toppled in
Canada amid growing outrage over the discovery of unmarked graves
belonging to Indigenous children.
A group gathered at the Manitoba legislature pulled down the statue of
Victoria on Canada Day […[
A smaller statue of Elizabeth was also toppled on the east side of the
grounds. […]
This seems a bit harsh on her Maj, even on Queen Victoria.

AIUI The Canadian government (as opposed to the uk crown) have been
dealing with the indigenous peoples' since 1871. Most of these graves
seem to have occurred after that, although I'm not clear of the exact dates.

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A. Filip
2021-07-02 11:43:20 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/02/queen-victoria-statue-toppled-in-canada-amid-anger-at-deaths-of-indigenous-children
Fri 2 Jul 2021
Statues of Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth II have been toppled in
Canada amid growing outrage over the discovery of unmarked graves
belonging to Indigenous children.
A group gathered at the Manitoba legislature pulled down the statue of
Victoria on Canada Day […]
A smaller statue of Elizabeth was also toppled on the east side of the
grounds. […]
This seems a bit harsh on her Maj, even on Queen Victoria.
AIUI The Canadian government (as opposed to the uk crown) have been
dealing with the indigenous peoples' since 1871. Most of these graves
seem to have occurred after that, although I'm not clear of the exact dates.
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“Whether there have been 100 years of injustice is unimportant. Don’t
ask us to change the past,” - Pierre Trudeau
Loyal British subjects will not repeat it, will they?
150 Oxford academics *MUST* state their position IMHO.

My personal position is
"The Queen rules *by consent of The People to keep the tradition" ".
Tell anything about "The God's given right" and I will go ballistic.
I am far from being a fan of (any) monarchy *but* British Monarchy
*SHOULD NOT* stay as a laughing stock.
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Pancho
2021-07-02 12:48:03 UTC
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My personal position is
"The Queen rules *by consent of The People to keep the tradition" ".
Tell anything about "The God's given right" and I will go ballistic.
I am far from being a fan of (any) monarchy *but* British Monarchy
*SHOULD NOT* stay as a laughing stock.
Laughing stock, heaven forbid!

Prince Charles: Desire to be a tampon (what woman could resist).
Prince Edward : Royal it's a knockout.
Prince Andrew : The less said...

And now we have Harry carrying on the family tradition, Gawd bless 'im.

My view is that the French and Russians got it right. Obviously we can't
execute them nowadays, but maybe they could be given menial jobs for the
rest of their lives, like the last emperor of China.
A. Filip
2021-07-04 13:28:54 UTC
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My personal position is
"The Queen rules *by consent of The People to keep the tradition" ".
Tell anything about "The God's given right" and I will go ballistic.
I am far from being a fan of (any) monarchy *but* British Monarchy
*SHOULD NOT* stay as a laughing stock.
Laughing stock, heaven forbid!
Prince Charles: Desire to be a tampon (what woman could resist).
Prince Edward : Royal it's a knockout.
Prince Andrew : The less said...
And now we have Harry carrying on the family tradition, Gawd bless 'im.
My view is that the French and Russians got it right. Obviously we
can't execute them nowadays, but maybe they could be given menial jobs
for the rest of their lives, like the last emperor of China.
In narrow (political) sense consider only the queen and
"hot replacements" No 1 and No 2. All others may/should
be treated as hardcore Attention Deficiency Sufferers IMHO ;-)

If you want it another way then mention WRONG++ decision of the queen
(with real/big political consequences) in last 25 years.
It is hard to do something wrong+ when you do nothing really important.
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A. Filip
2021-07-02 12:30:13 UTC
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https://mobile.twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1410905287079383040
After a crowd in Winnipeg, Canada toppled statues of Queen Elizabeth
II and Queen Victoria outside the Manitoba legislature, police
arrested one man who showed up to oppose them.
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Richmond
2021-07-02 19:27:12 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/02/queen-victoria-statue-toppled-in-canada-amid-anger-at-deaths-of-indigenous-children
Fri 2 Jul 2021
Statues of Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth II have been toppled in
Canada amid growing outrage over the discovery of unmarked graves
belonging to Indigenous children.
A group gathered at the Manitoba legislature pulled down the statue of
Victoria on Canada Day […[
A smaller statue of Elizabeth was also toppled on the east side of the
grounds. […]
I don't see what it has to do with the Queen. It was the Canadian
Government and Christian Churches. If it was the Church of England
perhaps then you would have a case.

I wonder if they are pulling down statues of Jesus too?
A. Filip
2021-07-02 19:48:06 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/02/queen-victoria-statue-toppled-in-canada-amid-anger-at-deaths-of-indigenous-children
Fri 2 Jul 2021
Statues of Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth II have been toppled in
Canada amid growing outrage over the discovery of unmarked graves
belonging to Indigenous children.
A group gathered at the Manitoba legislature pulled down the statue of
Victoria on Canada Day […[
A smaller statue of Elizabeth was also toppled on the east side of the
grounds. […]
I don't see what it has to do with the Queen. It was the Canadian
Government and Christian Churches. If it was the Church of England
perhaps then you would have a case.
I wonder if they are pulling down statues of Jesus too?
Do not ask. You may get what you ask for.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2021-06-07/gruesome-boarding-school-discovery-forces-canada-reckon-its-cultural-genocide
Post by Richmond
Gruesome boarding school discovery forces Canada to reckon with its cultural genocide history
June 07, 2021 · 4:00 PM EDT
[…] Hill and her siblings attended the Mohawk Institute, a residential
school run by the Anglican Church of Canada in Brantford. She said she
was sexually abused between the ages of 6 and 10. […]
The Canadian government took over residential schools in 1969. […]
Before the government took over, most schools were operated by various
churches. The Anglican Church of Canada issued an apology for its role
in Canada’s residential school system in 1993. A year later, the
Presbyterians apologized. So have the Methodists and the United Church
of Canada. […]
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Richmond
2021-07-02 21:18:03 UTC
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I think it is a bit questionable whether the Queen is Defender of the
Faith in Canada, as Canada has no established Church.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defender_of_the_Faith

" Canada chose to include the phrase not because the sovereign is
regarded as the protector of the state religion (Canada has none), but
as a defender of faith in general. In a speech to the House of Commons
in 1953, Prime Minister Louis St. Laurent stated:

The rather more delicate question arose about the retention of the
words, "Defender of the Faith". In England there is an established
church. In our countries [the other monarchies of the Commonwealth]
there are no established churches, but in our countries there are
people who have faith in the direction of human affairs by an
all-wise providence, and we felt that it was a good thing that the
civil authorities would proclaim that their organisation is such
that it is a defence of the continued beliefs in a supreme power
that orders the affairs of mere men, and that there could be no
reasonable objection from anyone who believed in the Supreme Being
in having the sovereign, the head of the civil authority, described
as a believer in and a defender of the faith in a supreme ruler.
— Louis St. Laurent

However, the style used on Canadian coinage is simply D.G. Regina (Dei
Gratia Regina, "By the Grace of God, Queen"). "

Can you find a statue of the Arch Bishop of Canterbury?
abelard
2021-07-02 21:07:03 UTC
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Post by A. Filip
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/02/queen-victoria-statue-toppled-in-canada-amid-anger-at-deaths-of-indigenous-children
Fri 2 Jul 2021
Statues of Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth II have been toppled in
Canada amid growing outrage over the discovery of unmarked graves
belonging to Indigenous children.
A group gathered at the Manitoba legislature pulled down the statue of
Victoria on Canada Day […[
A smaller statue of Elizabeth was also toppled on the east side of the
grounds. […]
I don't see what it has to do with the Queen. It was the Canadian
Government and Christian Churches. If it was the Church of England
perhaps then you would have a case.
I wonder if they are pulling down statues of Jesus too?
they've done that wherever socialism ruled

how many legions does the vatican have?

meanwhile stalin sinks into history and the church
goes onwards and religion revives in russia
and even pootin pays obeisance
Pancho
2021-07-03 14:00:22 UTC
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Post by A. Filip
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/02/queen-victoria-statue-toppled-in-canada-amid-anger-at-deaths-of-indigenous-children
Fri 2 Jul 2021
Statues of Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth II have been toppled in
Canada amid growing outrage over the discovery of unmarked graves
belonging to Indigenous children.
A group gathered at the Manitoba legislature pulled down the statue of
Victoria on Canada Day […[
A smaller statue of Elizabeth was also toppled on the east side of the
grounds. […]
I don't see what it has to do with the Queen. It was the Canadian
Government and Christian Churches. If it was the Church of England
perhaps then you would have a case.
I wonder if they are pulling down statues of Jesus too?
The schools I saw were Roman Catholic. The problem is that a lot of the
indigenous community are Catholic. The Catholic church has a huge amount
of experience of diverting attention away from it's own abusive
behaviour on to others. Coercive control of the faithful.

I've always respected Sinead O'Connor for ripping up the Pope's photo on
Saturday Night Live. Her abuse claims were subsequently vindicated, but
she doesn't get respect even now. Instead we are told to respect women,
who didn't report (alleged) rapes until decades after the event:
Epstein, Cosby, Weinstein...

It's all politics and exploiting the weak minded and the gullible. The
Roman Catholic Church have centuries of experience.
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