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RH156RH
2019-10-07 08:42:24 UTC
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Note; I have long been an advocate of a federal system for the UK. The English parliament should be the House of Commons and the Lords should be converted into the federal parliament which would deal with,s relatively few federal matters: defence, immigration, foreign policy, the Law elements of federal taxation, the management of the Pound the funding of infrastructure such as roads which run through at least two of the home nations. The existing devolved assemblies would continue with their members and those elected members plus those of the of the new English Parliament would form the Federal Parliament which replace the Lords.

The federal Parliament would not have to sit for much of the year so that it should be possible to have members attending to their duties in their devolved parliament and in the federal parliament In emergencies the federal parliament could be formed by members of all four devolved houses being linked by the web and sitting as a virtual parliament.

These arrangements would mean that the number of politicians would not increase nor any new Parliament buildings being built. RH


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7 OCTOBER 2019 • 12:01AM
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The UK should be federalised to help prevent the break-up of the union, former first ministers of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland suggest.

In a joint letter to The Daily Telegraph, Lord McConnell, Carwyn Jones and Lord Trimble, call for a “constitutional settlement” which could include a new English parliament, bolstering current devolved legislatures, and abolishing the House of Lords.

The three politicians are joining a cross-party campaign for a new Act of Union Bill, which would increase the powers of each nation in a move its backers hope would strengthen the case for remaining in the UK.

In the letter, Lord McConnell, Mr Jones and Lord Trimble state that they are joining the steering committee of the Constitution Reform Group, which is championing the proposals.

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The campaign is being led by figures including the Marquess of Salisbury, a former Conservative Leader of the Lords, Lord Hain, the ex Labour minister, and Lord Lisvane, a former Clerk of the Commons.

The Act of Union Bill is intended to ensure a “bottom-up” structure which would make each of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland able to “determine its own affairs to the extent that it considers it should”, but choose which powers are pooled between all four nations.

The three former first ministers state: “The group was formed before the 2016 referendum on membership of the European Union, in the belief that, even then, the UK needed a new constitutional settlemen
Joe
2019-10-07 13:08:46 UTC
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On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 01:42:24 -0700 (PDT)
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Note; I have long been an advocate of a federal system for the UK.
The English parliament should be the House of Commons and the Lords
should be converted into the federal parliament which would deal
with,s relatively few federal matters: defence, immigration,
foreign policy, the Law elements of federal taxation, the
management of the Pound the funding of infrastructure such as
roads which run through at least two of the home nations. The
existing devolved assemblies would continue with their members and
those elected members plus those of the of the new English
Parliament would form the Federal Parliament which replace the Lords.
The federal Parliament would not have to sit for much of the year so
that it should be possible to have members attending to their duties
in their devolved parliament and in the federal parliament In
emergencies the federal parliament could be formed by members of all
four devolved houses being linked by the web and sitting as a virtual
parliament.
These arrangements would mean that the number of politicians would
not increase nor any new Parliament buildings being built. RH
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/06/new-english-parliament-federal-system-could-bolster-union/?l
The UK should be federalised to help prevent the break-up of the
union, former first ministers of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
suggest.
So how exactly would voting powers divide among three regions of a few
million people and one of sixty million? Is this just another demand
for massively disproportionate power to be given to the small regions
but not to England?

Why not federalise properly, with equal-sized regions based on
population i.e. with about a dozen regions for England?

Each with separate powers of taxation, and other laws, so that those
which wish to drive out productive people can do so, and others can
choose to attract them. A region which wishes to be the British version
of Illinois should be completely free to do exactly that. No
cross-subsidies.

People to be free to move to a region that suits their politics,
instead of one-size-fits-all. A single currency, and the same motoring
regulations but pretty much everything else to be locally decided and
funded.
--
Joe
Farmer Giles
2019-10-07 14:13:04 UTC
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On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 01:42:24 -0700 (PDT)
Post by RH156RH
Note; I have long been an advocate of a federal system for the UK.
The English parliament should be the House of Commons and the Lords
should be converted into the federal parliament which would deal
with,s relatively few federal matters: defence, immigration,
foreign policy, the Law elements of federal taxation, the
management of the Pound the funding of infrastructure such as
roads which run through at least two of the home nations. The
existing devolved assemblies would continue with their members and
those elected members plus those of the of the new English
Parliament would form the Federal Parliament which replace the Lords.
The federal Parliament would not have to sit for much of the year so
that it should be possible to have members attending to their duties
in their devolved parliament and in the federal parliament In
emergencies the federal parliament could be formed by members of all
four devolved houses being linked by the web and sitting as a virtual
parliament.
These arrangements would mean that the number of politicians would
not increase nor any new Parliament buildings being built. RH
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/06/new-english-parliament-federal-system-could-bolster-union/?l
The UK should be federalised to help prevent the break-up of the
union, former first ministers of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
suggest.
So how exactly would voting powers divide among three regions of a few
million people and one of sixty million? Is this just another demand
for massively disproportionate power to be given to the small regions
but not to England?
Why not federalise properly, with equal-sized regions based on
population i.e. with about a dozen regions for England?
Each with separate powers of taxation, and other laws, so that those
which wish to drive out productive people can do so, and others can
choose to attract them. A region which wishes to be the British version
of Illinois should be completely free to do exactly that. No
cross-subsidies.
People to be free to move to a region that suits their politics,
instead of one-size-fits-all. A single currency, and the same motoring
regulations but pretty much everything else to be locally decided and
funded.
Sod the so-called union. If the smaller countries don't want to part of
the UK then they should go it alone. There's been too much of them
having their cake and eating it. It should be all in, or all out.
Incubus
2019-10-07 14:20:37 UTC
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Post by Joe
On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 01:42:24 -0700 (PDT)
Post by RH156RH
Note; I have long been an advocate of a federal system for the UK.
The English parliament should be the House of Commons and the Lords
should be converted into the federal parliament which would deal
with,s relatively few federal matters: defence, immigration,
foreign policy, the Law elements of federal taxation, the
management of the Pound the funding of infrastructure such as
roads which run through at least two of the home nations. The
existing devolved assemblies would continue with their members and
those elected members plus those of the of the new English
Parliament would form the Federal Parliament which replace the Lords.
The federal Parliament would not have to sit for much of the year so
that it should be possible to have members attending to their duties
in their devolved parliament and in the federal parliament In
emergencies the federal parliament could be formed by members of all
four devolved houses being linked by the web and sitting as a virtual
parliament.
These arrangements would mean that the number of politicians would
not increase nor any new Parliament buildings being built. RH
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/06/new-english-parliament-federal-system-could-bolster-union/?l
The UK should be federalised to help prevent the break-up of the
union, former first ministers of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
suggest.
So how exactly would voting powers divide among three regions of a few
million people and one of sixty million? Is this just another demand
for massively disproportionate power to be given to the small regions
but not to England?
Why not federalise properly, with equal-sized regions based on
population i.e. with about a dozen regions for England?
Each with separate powers of taxation, and other laws, so that those
which wish to drive out productive people can do so, and others can
choose to attract them. A region which wishes to be the British version
of Illinois should be completely free to do exactly that. No
cross-subsidies.
People to be free to move to a region that suits their politics,
instead of one-size-fits-all. A single currency, and the same motoring
regulations but pretty much everything else to be locally decided and
funded.
Sod the so-called union. If the smaller countries don't want to part of
the UK then they should go it alone. There's been too much of them
having their cake and eating it. It should be all in, or all out.
Just as long as America doesn't like them. I don't think they celebrate St
David's or St Andrew's Day so we should be all right.
Farmer Giles
2019-10-07 14:30:22 UTC
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On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 01:42:24 -0700 (PDT)
Post by RH156RH
Note; I have long been an advocate of a federal system for the UK.
The English parliament should be the House of Commons and the Lords
should be converted into the federal parliament which would deal
with,s relatively few federal matters: defence, immigration,
foreign policy, the Law elements of federal taxation, the
management of the Pound the funding of infrastructure such as
roads which run through at least two of the home nations. The
existing devolved assemblies would continue with their members and
those elected members plus those of the of the new English
Parliament would form the Federal Parliament which replace the Lords.
The federal Parliament would not have to sit for much of the year so
that it should be possible to have members attending to their duties
in their devolved parliament and in the federal parliament In
emergencies the federal parliament could be formed by members of all
four devolved houses being linked by the web and sitting as a virtual
parliament.
These arrangements would mean that the number of politicians would
not increase nor any new Parliament buildings being built. RH
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/06/new-english-parliament-federal-system-could-bolster-union/?l
The UK should be federalised to help prevent the break-up of the
union, former first ministers of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
suggest.
So how exactly would voting powers divide among three regions of a few
million people and one of sixty million? Is this just another demand
for massively disproportionate power to be given to the small regions
but not to England?
Why not federalise properly, with equal-sized regions based on
population i.e. with about a dozen regions for England?
Each with separate powers of taxation, and other laws, so that those
which wish to drive out productive people can do so, and others can
choose to attract them. A region which wishes to be the British version
of Illinois should be completely free to do exactly that. No
cross-subsidies.
People to be free to move to a region that suits their politics,
instead of one-size-fits-all. A single currency, and the same motoring
regulations but pretty much everything else to be locally decided and
funded.
Sod the so-called union. If the smaller countries don't want to part of
the UK then they should go it alone. There's been too much of them
having their cake and eating it. It should be all in, or all out.
Just as long as America doesn't like them. I don't think they celebrate St
David's or St Andrew's Day so we should be all right.
Trump probably does, he's half-Scottish after all.
RH156RH
2019-10-09 17:03:51 UTC
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On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 01:42:24 -0700 (PDT)
Post by RH156RH
Note; I have long been an advocate of a federal system for the UK.
The English parliament should be the House of Commons and the Lords
should be converted into the federal parliament which would deal
with,s relatively few federal matters: defence, immigration,
foreign policy, the Law elements of federal taxation, the
management of the Pound the funding of infrastructure such as
roads which run through at least two of the home nations. The
existing devolved assemblies would continue with their members and
those elected members plus those of the of the new English
Parliament would form the Federal Parliament which replace the Lords.
The federal Parliament would not have to sit for much of the year so
that it should be possible to have members attending to their duties
in their devolved parliament and in the federal parliament In
emergencies the federal parliament could be formed by members of all
four devolved houses being linked by the web and sitting as a virtual
parliament.
These arrangements would mean that the number of politicians would
not increase nor any new Parliament buildings being built. RH
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/06/new-english-parliament-federal-system-could-bolster-union/?l
The UK should be federalised to help prevent the break-up of the
union, former first ministers of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
suggest.
So how exactly would voting powers divide among three regions of a few
million people and one of sixty million? Is this just another demand
for massively disproportionate power to be given to the small regions
but not to England?
Why not federalise properly, with equal-sized regions based on
population i.e. with about a dozen regions for England?
Each with separate powers of taxation, and other laws, so that those
which wish to drive out productive people can do so, and others can
choose to attract them. A region which wishes to be the British version
of Illinois should be completely free to do exactly that. No
cross-subsidies.
People to be free to move to a region that suits their politics,
instead of one-size-fits-all. A single currency, and the same motoring
regulations but pretty much everything else to be locally decided and
funded.
--
Joe
The Celts should be, as Dr Johnson remarked of the rebellious colonials in America, grateful for anything they receive short of hanging... RH
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