Revolution! Liberation! Long Live Hong Kong!
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2019-09-02 03:36:55 UTC
Yeah! Hong Kong and China Together as One.

Together as a democracy...
2019-09-02 14:27:15 UTC
Yes, Chinese-style democracy. Heard of that, Byker?
Yup: https://tinyurl.com/y69o6ac2

AKA Great Leaps Forward and Cultural Revolutions:

The Legacy of Mao Zedong is Mass Murder

Lee Edwards, Ph.D.

Can you name the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century? No, it wasn’t
Hitler or Stalin. It was Mao Zedong.

According to the authoritative “Black Book of Communism,” an estimated 65
million Chinese died as a result of Mao’s repeated, merciless attempts to
create a new “socialist” China. Anyone who got in his way was done away
with -- by execution, imprisonment or forced famine.

For Mao, the No. 1 enemy was the intellectual. The so-called Great Helmsman
reveled in his blood-letting, boasting, “What’s so unusual about Emperor
Shih Huang of the China Dynasty? He had buried alive 460 scholars only, but
we have buried alive 46,000 scholars.” Mao was referring to a major
“accomplishment” of the Great Cultural Revolution, which from 1966-1976
transformed China into a great House of Fear.

The most inhumane example of Mao’s contempt for human life came when he
ordered the collectivization of China’s agriculture under the ironic slogan,
the “Great Leap Forward.” A deadly combination of lies about grain
production, disastrous farming methods (profitable tea plantations, for
example, were turned into rice fields), and misdistribution of food produced
the worse famine in human history.

Deaths from hunger reached more than 50 percent in some Chinese villages.
The total number of dead from 1959 to 1961 was between 30 million and 40
million -- the population of California.

Rounding up enemies

Only five years later, when he sensed that revolutionary fervor in China was
waning, Mao proclaimed the Cultural Revolution. Gangs of Red Guards -- young
men and women between 14 and 21 -- roamed the cities targeting revisionists
and other enemies of the state, especially teachers.

Professors were dressed in grotesque clothes and dunce caps, their faces
smeared with ink. They were then forced to get down on all fours and bark
like dogs. Some were beaten to death, some even eaten -- all for the
promulgation of Maoism. A reluctant Mao finally called in the Red Army to
put down the marauding Red Guards when they began attacking Communist Party
members, but not before 1 million Chinese died.

All the while, Mao kept expanding the laogai, a system of 1,000 forced labor
camps throughout China. Harry Wu, who spent 19 years in labor camps, has
estimated that from the 1950s through the 1980s, 50 million Chinese passed
through the Chinese version of the Soviet gulag. Twenty million died as a
result of the primitive living conditions and 14-hour work days.

Such calculated cruelty exemplified his Al Capone philosophy: “Political
power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”

And yet Mao Zedong remains the most honored figure in the Chinese Communist
Party. At one end of historic Tiananmen Square is Mao’s mausoleum, visited
daily by large, respectful crowds. At the other end of the square is a giant
portrait of Mao above the entrance to the Forbidden City, the favorite site
of visitors, Chinese and foreign.

Repression continues

In the spirit of Mao, China’s present rulers continue to oppress
intellectuals and other dissidents such as human-rights activist Liu Xiaobo.
He was sentenced last month to 11 years in prison for “inciting subversion
of state power.” His offense: signing Charter 08, which calls on the
government to respect basic civil and human rights within a democratic
framework. .

China presents itself as a vast market for U.S. companies and investors. But
some U.S. companies are taking a second look at doing business in a country
which considers Mao Zedong its patron saint. Google has said it is
reconsidering its operations in China after discovering a sophisticated
cyber attack on its e-mail which the government must have initiated or

Google has revealed what many in the Internet world have known for some
time -- China routinely hacks into U.S. and Western Web sites for national
security and other valuable information. Mao would have enthusiastically
applauded this intellectual rape.

2019-09-05 16:36:50 UTC
The well being of HK is important to China but more important is its
relationship with China. If HK allows itself to be used by foreigners
against China or Chinese interest, then it will end badly. As far as
China is concerned, HK is “Better a dead city than a Rebel City”.
"Better a dead world economy" is more like it:

2019-09-09 16:45:38 UTC
Why? For the answer, we have to go back to history. China liberated it
from imperialism and colonialism after a long and painful Revolution. In
1949, the Chinese stood up again after more than a century of being a
downtrodden people.
Nice documentary:

Too bad it only goes up to 1922...
2019-09-10 21:24:22 UTC
Nobody bothers with Byker's links.
Admit it: You can't resist them ;-)

Pt. 1:

Pt. 2:

Don't even THINK of growing old in China:

Just for fun:

2019-09-11 02:13:27 UTC
About growing old.
In Asian societies, grown up children are expected to look after their
But do they?

Byker, your time will come.
Here in the West, we have something called the "Smith
and Wesson retirement plan": https://tinyurl.com/y53nsnu9
2019-09-11 02:14:55 UTC
When you talk about pollution in China, don't forget that for decades,
China was the waste dump of the world, esp. the West. This was a condition
for it to be accepted into the WTO. When Trump ignores WTO rules to impose
tariffs on Chinese goods, China too stops its obligation to the WTO. This
is what follows.
India seems to be making something good of it:

2019-12-08 20:21:57 UTC
HK's education system and local media, like the Western media, have been
indoctrinating hatred of China.
For obvious reasons: