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Be prepared for a v low turnout on Dec12th.
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Keema's Nan
2019-11-30 09:37:14 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.

All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.

You heard it here first, folks.
abelard
2019-11-30 11:49:30 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
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Keema's Nan
2019-11-30 13:15:52 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:37:14 +0000, Keema's Nan
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
We will see.

Presumably you have a PhD in Meteorology to be so confident?
abelard
2019-11-30 13:20:11 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:37:14 +0000, Keema's Nan
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
We will see.
Presumably you have a PhD in Meteorology to be so confident?
you are looking at the wrong variable

over 60s are not the prime snowflakes
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Keema's Nan
2019-11-30 13:23:02 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:37:14 +0000, Keema's Nan
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
We will see.
Presumably you have a PhD in Meteorology to be so confident?
you are looking at the wrong variable
over 60s are not the prime snowflakes
The ones I know are. Wouldn’t want to break a hip slipping on the snow.
abelard
2019-11-30 13:29:31 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 13:15:52 +0000, Keema's Nan
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:37:14 +0000, Keema's Nan
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
We will see.
Presumably you have a PhD in Meteorology to be so confident?
you are looking at the wrong variable
over 60s are not the prime snowflakes
The ones I know are. Wouldn’t want to break a hip slipping on the snow.
you should cultivate a better class of wrinklies!
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Keema's Nan
2019-11-30 14:37:20 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:37:14 +0000, Keema's Nan
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day,
and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
We will see.
Presumably you have a PhD in Meteorology to be so confident?
you are looking at the wrong variable
over 60s are not the prime snowflakes
The ones I know are. Wouldn’t want to break a hip slipping on the snow.
you should cultivate a better class of wrinklies!
The trouble is that once in hospital with a hip or leg injury, they will not
allow you out until they believe you are capable of looking after yourself,
or have satisfactory home care organised.

Some bed blockers are in there for months.
abelard
2019-11-30 14:56:37 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 13:15:52 +0000, Keema's Nan
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:37:14 +0000, Keema's Nan
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day,
and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
We will see.
Presumably you have a PhD in Meteorology to be so confident?
you are looking at the wrong variable
over 60s are not the prime snowflakes
The ones I know are. Wouldn’t want to break a hip slipping on the snow.
you should cultivate a better class of wrinklies!
The trouble is that once in hospital with a hip or leg injury, they will not
allow you out until they believe you are capable of looking after yourself,
or have satisfactory home care organised.
Some bed blockers are in there for months.
that looks like biased sample :-)
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Joe
2019-11-30 15:04:12 UTC
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The trouble is that once in hospital with a hip or leg injury, they
will not allow you out until they believe you are capable of looking
after yourself, or have satisfactory home care organised.
Some bed blockers are in there for months.
You're living in the past. On Friday afternoon, if someone thinks
you have the slightest chance of survival, you will be discharged.

The large majority of the NHS works office hours, they don't want you
cluttering up the place at the weekend.

Most bed blockers have been discharged, but they can't leave without
the prescribed medication and paperwork, which can never be provided in
less than six hours.

And yes, that is experience, not speculation.
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MM
2019-11-30 16:49:11 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 14:37:20 +0000
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The trouble is that once in hospital with a hip or leg injury, they
will not allow you out until they believe you are capable of looking
after yourself, or have satisfactory home care organised.
Some bed blockers are in there for months.
You're living in the past. On Friday afternoon, if someone thinks
you have the slightest chance of survival, you will be discharged.
The large majority of the NHS works office hours, they don't want you
cluttering up the place at the weekend.
Most bed blockers have been discharged, but they can't leave without
the prescribed medication and paperwork, which can never be provided in
less than six hours.
And yes, that is experience, not speculation.
Again, you should blame the Tory government since 2010 for this lack
of resources.

MM
The Marquis Saint Evremonde
2019-11-30 21:18:09 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 14:37:20 +0000
Post by Keema's Nan
The trouble is that once in hospital with a hip or leg injury, they
will not allow you out until they believe you are capable of looking
after yourself, or have satisfactory home care organised.
Some bed blockers are in there for months.
You're living in the past. On Friday afternoon, if someone thinks
you have the slightest chance of survival, you will be discharged.
The large majority of the NHS works office hours, they don't want you
cluttering up the place at the weekend.
Most bed blockers have been discharged, but they can't leave without
the prescribed medication and paperwork, which can never be provided in
less than six hours.
And yes, that is experience, not speculation.
Again, you should blame the Tory government since 2010 for this lack
of resources.
Did this not happen before 2010, then? Be careful; there are large
numbers of news stories on-line from that period.
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MM
2019-12-08 10:17:16 UTC
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Did this not happen before 2010, then? Be careful; there are large
numbers of news stories on-line from that period.
It hardly matters now what happened before 2010, because in 2010 the
Tories took over and the country has gone downhill in every respect
since then, under Tory jurisdiction (albeit with a bit of Lib Dem
support).

MM
Keema's Nan
2019-11-30 17:25:02 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 14:37:20 +0000
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The trouble is that once in hospital with a hip or leg injury, they
will not allow you out until they believe you are capable of looking
after yourself, or have satisfactory home care organised.
Some bed blockers are in there for months.
You're living in the past. On Friday afternoon, if someone thinks
you have the slightest chance of survival, you will be discharged.
Nonsense.

My father was in hospital a few months back and they would not let him out
because the nearest relative is 60 miles away, even though he was able to
walk and sort of fend for himself. The social service assessment said he
needed help with various activities, even though he insisted he didn't.

In the end we managed to find a care home place and persuade him he could not
go home again. Only then did the hospital make an effort to get him
discharged.
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The large majority of the NHS works office hours, they don't want you
cluttering up the place at the weekend.
Most bed blockers have been discharged, but they can't leave without
the prescribed medication and paperwork, which can never be provided in
less than six hours.
And yes, that is experience, not speculation.
And so is mine.
MM
2019-11-30 16:48:06 UTC
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Some bed blockers are in there for months.
Which is entirely the Tory government's fault since 2010 for not
providing the care places necessary.

MM
Incubus
2019-12-02 11:08:40 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:37:14 +0000, Keema's Nan
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
We will see.
Presumably you have a PhD in Meteorology to be so confident?
you are looking at the wrong variable
over 60s are not the prime snowflakes
The ones I know are. Wouldn’t want to break a hip slipping on the snow.
Offer them a lift to the polling booth.
Keema's Nan
2019-12-02 12:55:09 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day,
and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
We will see.
Presumably you have a PhD in Meteorology to be so confident?
you are looking at the wrong variable
over 60s are not the prime snowflakes
The ones I know are. Wouldn’t want to break a hip slipping on the snow.
Offer them a lift to the polling booth.
I walk. For me it is only just around the corner in the church hall.
MM
2019-11-30 16:46:49 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:37:14 +0000, Keema's Nan
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
We will see.
Presumably you have a PhD in Meteorology to be so confident?
Why would only Tory votes plummet?

MM
Keema's Nan
2019-11-30 17:37:26 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:37:14 +0000, Keema's Nan
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
We will see.
Presumably you have a PhD in Meteorology to be so confident?
Why would only Tory votes plummet?
MM
Because many Tories live in rural areas where the snow clearance activities
are less advanced than in urban areas.
James Hammerton
2019-11-30 17:55:41 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:37:14 +0000, Keema's Nan
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
We will see.
Presumably you have a PhD in Meteorology to be so confident?
Why would only Tory votes plummet?
I'm guessing the theory is that over 60s are more likely to vote Tory
hence any drop in their likelihood of voting will hit the Tories harder
than Labour.

Regards,

James
Vidcapper
2019-11-30 16:01:25 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:37:14 +0000, Keema's Nan
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
Forecasts beyond 5 days are to be taken with a very large pinch of salt,
but then again, Corbyn supporters will believe anything...
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abelard
2019-11-30 16:03:28 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:37:14 +0000, Keema's Nan
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
Forecasts beyond 5 days are to be taken with a very large pinch of salt,
but then again, Corbyn supporters will believe anything...
i'm all for that!
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Keema's Nan
2019-11-30 17:32:32 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
Forecasts beyond 5 days are to be taken with a very large pinch of salt,
but then again, Corbyn supporters will believe anything...
I assume you mean Piers?
Basil Jet
2019-11-30 17:46:48 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
Forecasts beyond 5 days are to be taken with a very large pinch of salt,
Icy pavements are always to be taken with a very large pinch of salt.
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Vidcapper
2019-12-03 08:00:53 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
I'd say don't give any credibility to any forecast published before
about the 7th...
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Keema's Nan
2019-12-12 10:24:49 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
Well yes - you were correct as it turns out. (Unless you live in the Peak
District).

That’s the last time I try any long range weather forecasting. I blame
global warning for this.
Dan S. MacAbre
2019-12-12 10:26:49 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
Well yes - you were correct as it turns out. (Unless you live in the Peak
District).
That’s the last time I try any long range weather forecasting. I blame
global warning for this.
Don't worry - they will.
Roger
2019-12-12 10:38:46 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
Well yes - you were correct as it turns out. (Unless you live in the Peak
District).
That’s the last time I try any long range weather forecasting. I blame
global warning for this.
Weather forcasters say they can give reasonably accurate predictions up to 3 days...bit longer in some conditions, like big high pressure zones, a bit less for variable conditions (atlantic depression moving over).

There is no shortage of data to demonstrate that a forcast 1 week ahead is just as likely to be wrong as it is right. We may now add this ng to that list.
abelard
2019-12-12 13:30:11 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:37:14 +0000, Keema's Nan
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
indeed...and fortunately it is nonsense
Well yes - you were correct as it turns out. (Unless you live in the Peak
District).
That’s the last time I try any long range weather forecasting. I blame
global warning for this.
you made two forecasts(guesses)...

i trust reason...

most humans are very bad at guessing(forecasting)
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Dan S. MacAbre
2019-11-30 16:14:19 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
They're doing it at our lad's school, so I'll be there anyway. :-)
Vidcapper
2019-12-01 06:58:00 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
Just had a look at the latest long range forecast, and the snowy set-up
has completely vanished...
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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Keema's Nan
2019-12-01 09:28:14 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
Just had a look at the latest long range forecast, and the snowy set-up
has completely vanished...
Not with GFS, it hasn’t.
Keema's Nan
2019-12-01 10:12:15 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
Just had a look at the latest long range forecast, and the snowy set-up
has completely vanished...
Not with GFS, it hasn’t.
OK, the midnight run is not as pessimistic for those days, but it just seems
to have put the snow back a few days.

The general trend seems consistent - it’s just the timing which varies,
which is not surprising for T+300
Keema's Nan
2019-12-01 12:09:08 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
Just had a look at the latest long range forecast, and the snowy set-up
has completely vanished...
Not with GFS, it hasn’t.
OK, the midnight run is not as pessimistic for those days, but it just seems
to have put the snow back a few days.
The general trend seems consistent - it’s just the timing which varies,
which is not surprising for T+300
And the 06Z run is back to a snow situation for polling day again, albeit not
quite as widespread.
Col
2019-12-02 05:53:01 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
Just had a look at the latest long range forecast, and the snowy set-up
has completely vanished...
Not with GFS, it hasn’t.
OK, the midnight run is not as pessimistic for those days, but it just seems
to have put the snow back a few days.
The general trend seems consistent - it’s just the timing which varies,
which is not surprising for T+300
And the 06Z run is back to a snow situation for polling day again, albeit not
quite as widespread.
The trend is definitively there for something wintry around that date,
but of course it's some way off and models can flip in an instant
especially at that range.

The nightmare scenario would be widespread disruptive snow on election
day. Not only would some people not be able to get to the polling
stations but the people who run them might not be able to get there
either so they might not even open at all. And you can't just postpone
the date of the election the night before on the back of a forecast for
heavy snow.
And that is why winter elections are a bad idea and you wouldn't
normally hold one then, especially in the run up to Christmas, but these
are hardly normal times...
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Vidcapper
2019-12-02 07:06:44 UTC
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The trend is definitively there for something wintry around that date,
In mid-Dec? shock horror! :p
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The nightmare scenario would be widespread disruptive snow on election
day. Not only would some people not be able to get to the polling
stations but the people who run them might not be able to get there
either so they might not even open at all. And you can't just postpone
the date of the election the night before on the back of a forecast for
heavy snow.
I can only assume there must be contingency plans in place for such a
scenario.
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Keema's Nan
2019-12-02 08:58:06 UTC
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The trend is definitively there for something wintry around that date,
In mid-Dec? shock horror! :p
It is quite early for proper snow (not the sleety wet stuff which falls in
big flakes) in southern England, at least over the last few decades. Yes,
there are instances of snow in late Oct/early Nov but these seem to have
become much less since I was a teenager.
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The nightmare scenario would be widespread disruptive snow on election
day. Not only would some people not be able to get to the polling
stations but the people who run them might not be able to get there
either so they might not even open at all. And you can't just postpone
the date of the election the night before on the back of a forecast for
heavy snow.
I can only assume there must be contingency plans in place for such a
scenario.
Basil Jet
2019-12-02 10:57:15 UTC
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The trend is definitively there for something wintry around that date,
In mid-Dec? shock horror! :p
It is quite early for proper snow (not the sleety wet stuff which falls in
big flakes) in southern England, at least over the last few decades. Yes,
there are instances of snow in late Oct/early Nov but these seem to have
become much less since I was a teenager.
General Elections don't only happen in Southern England.
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Keema's Nan
2019-12-02 12:53:01 UTC
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The trend is definitively there for something wintry around that date,
In mid-Dec? shock horror! :p
It is quite early for proper snow (not the sleety wet stuff which falls in
big flakes) in southern England, at least over the last few decades. Yes,
there are instances of snow in late Oct/early Nov but these seem to have
become much less since I was a teenager.
General Elections don't only happen in Southern England.
I never said they did; but judging by the chaos on the national news when the
weather gets wintry, only southern England grinds to a complete halt when an
inch of snow falls (in fact these days most of southern England grinds to a
halt when an inch of snow is forecast).

Further north, they seem to be able to cope with these things.
Ophelia
2019-12-02 17:00:45 UTC
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Post by Col
The trend is definitively there for something wintry around that date,
In mid-Dec? shock horror! :p
It is quite early for proper snow (not the sleety wet stuff which falls in
big flakes) in southern England, at least over the last few decades. Yes,
there are instances of snow in late Oct/early Nov but these seem to have
become much less since I was a teenager.

====

I am in the Highlands of Scotland and it does whatever it does, when ever
it wants:((

No real snow yet but plenty of frost. We got our votes out by post
already, although what good it will do in this area ... who knows!!
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Col
The nightmare scenario would be widespread disruptive snow on election
day. Not only would some people not be able to get to the polling
stations but the people who run them might not be able to get there
either so they might not even open at all. And you can't just postpone
the date of the election the night before on the back of a forecast for
heavy snow.
I can only assume there must be contingency plans in place for such a
scenario.
Keema's Nan
2019-12-02 18:07:59 UTC
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Post by Vidcapper
Post by Col
The trend is definitively there for something wintry around that date,
In mid-Dec? shock horror! :p
It is quite early for proper snow (not the sleety wet stuff which falls in
big flakes) in southern England, at least over the last few decades. Yes,
there are instances of snow in late Oct/early Nov but these seem to have
become much less since I was a teenager.
====
I am in the Highlands of Scotland and it does whatever it does, when ever
it wants:((
Did you see that programme on Fair Isle yesterday evening?

Those folk must have it really hard when the weather is bad. No food supplies
until the wind/seas calm down.

They appeal for volunteers every now and then, but I’m not sure I could
live through a winter with 18 hours of darkness, and that is with clear skies
during the day.
Post by Keema's Nan
No real snow yet but plenty of frost. We got our votes out by post
already, although what good it will do in this area ... who knows!!
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Col
The nightmare scenario would be widespread disruptive snow on election
day. Not only would some people not be able to get to the polling
stations but the people who run them might not be able to get there
either so they might not even open at all. And you can't just postpone
the date of the election the night before on the back of a forecast for
heavy snow.
I can only assume there must be contingency plans in place for such a
scenario.
Ophelia
2019-12-02 20:07:29 UTC
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Post by Vidcapper
Post by Col
The trend is definitively there for something wintry around that date,
In mid-Dec? shock horror! :p
It is quite early for proper snow (not the sleety wet stuff which falls in
big flakes) in southern England, at least over the last few decades. Yes,
there are instances of snow in late Oct/early Nov but these seem to have
become much less since I was a teenager.
====
I am in the Highlands of Scotland and it does whatever it does, when ever
it wants:((
Did you see that programme on Fair Isle yesterday evening?

No I missed that!

Those folk must have it really hard when the weather is bad. No food
supplies
until the wind/seas calm down.

No food supplies???? Pah! I have 3 freezers and a huge store
for such eventuality and 2 generators just in case. They know where they
live! They know what the problems could be! Do I need to say more??? Sorry
I don't have any sympathy!


They appeal for volunteers every now and then, but I’m not sure I could
live through a winter with 18 hours of darkness, and that is with clear
skies
during the day.

I guess they choose to live there. We can get around 16 hours
darkness sometimes and no it is not nice, but we cope.
Post by Keema's Nan
No real snow yet but plenty of frost. We got our votes out by post
already, although what good it will do in this area ... who knows!!
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Col
The nightmare scenario would be widespread disruptive snow on election
day. Not only would some people not be able to get to the polling
stations but the people who run them might not be able to get there
either so they might not even open at all. And you can't just postpone
the date of the election the night before on the back of a forecast for
heavy snow.
I can only assume there must be contingency plans in place for such a
scenario.
Keema's Nan
2019-12-03 10:38:45 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Col
The trend is definitively there for something wintry around that date,
In mid-Dec? shock horror! :p
It is quite early for proper snow (not the sleety wet stuff which falls in
big flakes) in southern England, at least over the last few decades. Yes,
there are instances of snow in late Oct/early Nov but these seem to have
become much less since I was a teenager.
====
I am in the Highlands of Scotland and it does whatever it does, when ever
it wants:((
Did you see that programme on Fair Isle yesterday evening?
No I missed that!
Those folk must have it really hard when the weather is bad. No food supplies
until the wind/seas calm down.
No food supplies???? Pah! I have 3 freezers and a huge store
for such eventuality and 2 generators just in case. They know where they
live! They know what the problems could be! Do I need to say more??? Sorry
I don't have any sympathy!
I’m sure they have something equivalent, but at the time of recording they
had no reliable electricity, except solar and battery storage because
lightning had struck the wind turbine and put it out of action until they
could get together and repair it.

I think it is National Trust, so they are restricted in what items they can
erect.
Post by Keema's Nan
They appeal for volunteers every now and then, but I’m not sure I could
live through a winter with 18 hours of darkness, and that is with clear skies
during the day.
I guess they choose to live there. We can get around 16 hours
darkness sometimes and no it is not nice, but we cope.
Post by Keema's Nan
No real snow yet but plenty of frost. We got our votes out by post
already, although what good it will do in this area ... who knows!!
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Col
The nightmare scenario would be widespread disruptive snow on election
day. Not only would some people not be able to get to the polling
stations but the people who run them might not be able to get there
either so they might not even open at all. And you can't just postpone
the date of the election the night before on the back of a forecast for
heavy snow.
I can only assume there must be contingency plans in place for such a
scenario.
Ophelia
2019-12-03 13:28:15 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Col
The trend is definitively there for something wintry around that date,
In mid-Dec? shock horror! :p
It is quite early for proper snow (not the sleety wet stuff which falls in
big flakes) in southern England, at least over the last few decades. Yes,
there are instances of snow in late Oct/early Nov but these seem to have
become much less since I was a teenager.
====
I am in the Highlands of Scotland and it does whatever it does, when ever
it wants:((
Did you see that programme on Fair Isle yesterday evening?
No I missed that!
Those folk must have it really hard when the weather is bad. No food supplies
until the wind/seas calm down.
No food supplies???? Pah! I have 3 freezers and a huge store
for such eventuality and 2 generators just in case. They know where they
live! They know what the problems could be! Do I need to say more??? Sorry
I don't have any sympathy!
I’m sure they have something equivalent, but at the time of recording they
had no reliable electricity, except solar and battery storage because
lightning had struck the wind turbine and put it out of action until they
could get together and repair it.

I think it is National Trust, so they are restricted in what items they can
erect.


Ok I didn't know that, but even so, they ought not to be relying on
food being shipped in.

Incidentally, you mentioned 'volunteers'. What are they for?
Keema's Nan
2019-12-03 18:20:33 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Col
The trend is definitively there for something wintry around that date,
In mid-Dec? shock horror! :p
It is quite early for proper snow (not the sleety wet stuff which falls in
big flakes) in southern England, at least over the last few decades. Yes,
there are instances of snow in late Oct/early Nov but these seem to have
become much less since I was a teenager.
====
I am in the Highlands of Scotland and it does whatever it does, when ever
it wants:((
Did you see that programme on Fair Isle yesterday evening?
No I missed that!
Those folk must have it really hard when the weather is bad. No food supplies
until the wind/seas calm down.
No food supplies???? Pah! I have 3 freezers and a huge store
for such eventuality and 2 generators just in case. They know where they
live! They know what the problems could be! Do I need to say more??? Sorry
I don't have any sympathy!
I’m sure they have something equivalent, but at the time of recording they
had no reliable electricity, except solar and battery storage because
lightning had struck the wind turbine and put it out of action until they
could get together and repair it.
I think it is National Trust, so they are restricted in what items they can
erect.
Ok I didn't know that, but even so, they ought not to be relying on
food being shipped in.
Incidentally, you mentioned 'volunteers'. What are they for?
They seem to be just to maintain island life. The population has shrunk and
they fear everyone will leave and no one will maintain the land, or something
like that.
Ophelia
2019-12-03 21:20:35 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Col
The trend is definitively there for something wintry around that date,
In mid-Dec? shock horror! :p
It is quite early for proper snow (not the sleety wet stuff which
falls
in
big flakes) in southern England, at least over the last few decades. Yes,
there are instances of snow in late Oct/early Nov but these seem to have
become much less since I was a teenager.
====
I am in the Highlands of Scotland and it does whatever it does, when ever
it wants:((
Did you see that programme on Fair Isle yesterday evening?
No I missed that!
Those folk must have it really hard when the weather is bad. No food supplies
until the wind/seas calm down.
No food supplies???? Pah! I have 3 freezers and a huge store
for such eventuality and 2 generators just in case. They know where they
live! They know what the problems could be! Do I need to say more??? Sorry
I don't have any sympathy!
I’m sure they have something equivalent, but at the time of recording they
had no reliable electricity, except solar and battery storage because
lightning had struck the wind turbine and put it out of action until they
could get together and repair it.
I think it is National Trust, so they are restricted in what items they can
erect.
Ok I didn't know that, but even so, they ought not to be relying on
food being shipped in.
Incidentally, you mentioned 'volunteers'. What are they for?
They seem to be just to maintain island life. The population has shrunk and
they fear everyone will leave and no one will maintain the land, or
something
like that.

====

It seems odd that a small community would want volunteers to do that.
Not something I've ever heard of.

Oh well, you know what they say .. there's now so queer as folk ;)
Basil Jet
2019-12-04 03:19:04 UTC
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Did you see that programme on Fair Isle yesterday evening?
No I missed that!
Those folk must have it really hard when the weather is bad. No food supplies
until the wind/seas calm down.
No food supplies???? Pah! I have 3 freezers and a huge store
for such eventuality and 2 generators just in case. They know where
they
Post by Keema's Nan
live! They know what the problems could be! Do I need to say more??? Sorry
I don't have any sympathy!
I’m sure they have something equivalent, but at the time of recording they
had no reliable electricity, except solar and battery storage because
lightning had struck the wind turbine and put it out of action until they
could get together and repair it.
I think it is National Trust, so they are restricted in what items they can
erect.
Ok I didn't know that, but even so, they ought not to be relying on
food being shipped in.
Incidentally, you mentioned 'volunteers'. What are they for?
They seem to be just to maintain island life. The population has shrunk and
they fear everyone will leave and no one will maintain the land, or something
like that.
====
   It seems odd that a small community would want volunteers to do
that. Not something I've ever heard of.
   Oh well, you know what they say .. there's now so queer as folk ;)
The Americans went to Africa to get unpaid workers to maintain the land.
--
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Col
2019-12-02 18:10:00 UTC
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Post by Col
The trend is definitively there for something wintry around that date,
In mid-Dec? shock horror! :p
Post by Col
The nightmare scenario would be widespread disruptive snow on election
day. Not only would some people not be able to get to the polling
stations but the people who run them might not be able to get there
either so they might not even open at all. And you can't just postpone
the date of the election the night before on the back of a forecast for
heavy snow.
I can only assume there must be contingency plans in place for such a
scenario.
I believe that the date of a GE can only be set via Act of Parliament so
basically the election would have to take place whatever the weather
conditions.
It's not like postponing a football match!

The only precedent I can think of was when the 2001 election was
postponed due to Foot & Mouth. However I think the decision was made
some weeks before the due date, so there was plenty of time for the
necessary legislation to go through.
--
Col
Keema's Nan
2019-12-02 08:44:22 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day,
and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
Just had a look at the latest long range forecast, and the snowy set-up
has completely vanished...
Not with GFS, it hasn’t.
OK, the midnight run is not as pessimistic for those days, but it just seems
to have put the snow back a few days.
The general trend seems consistent - it’s just the timing which varies,
which is not surprising for T+300
And the 06Z run is back to a snow situation for polling day again, albeit not
quite as widespread.
The trend is definitively there for something wintry around that date,
but of course it's some way off and models can flip in an instant
especially at that range.
The nightmare scenario would be widespread disruptive snow on election
day. Not only would some people not be able to get to the polling
stations but the people who run them might not be able to get there
either so they might not even open at all. And you can't just postpone
the date of the election the night before on the back of a forecast for
heavy snow.
And that is why winter elections are a bad idea and you wouldn't
normally hold one then, especially in the run up to Christmas, but these
are hardly normal times...
However, that might be the exact scenario which accelerates the move to
instigate ‘secure’ online voting?

Someone’s hidden agenda may be getting closer.
Omega
2019-12-02 08:15:44 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.

The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.

Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.

Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!

If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.

The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!

omega
Ophelia
2019-12-02 16:28:39 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.

The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.

Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.

Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!

If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.

The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!

omega

===

LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my own
bread .... ;p

Oh yes, and we have sent in our Postal Votes <g>
Dan S. MacAbre
2019-12-02 17:19:01 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread?  Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt   and and and ...  they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed!  Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
 LOL  not all us 'oldies' do that yannow.  For example I make all my
own bread .... ;p
I make all our bread, too. Two or three loaves a week. I find it
strangely interesting. What flour do you use? Any butter or olive oil?
Post by Omega
 Oh yes, and we have sent in our Postal Votes <g>
Keema's Nan
2019-12-02 18:14:25 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my
own bread .... ;p
I make all our bread, too. Two or three loaves a week. I find it
strangely interesting. What flour do you use? Any butter or olive oil?
I make my bread as well, and use Canadian extra strong white bread flour
mixed with a little wholemeal just to colour it up a bit.I use sunflower oil
mainly, but only a spoonful.

I find that the ‘doubling in size’ first prove is the vital bit, and only
leave the dough about 20-30 minutes. With Luke warm water I find that is
fine. It means the yeast is still at full whack when the dough goes in the
tins and I don’t have any trouble with rising slowing down before the dough
has risen much above the tin top.
Post by Omega
Oh yes, and we have sent in our Postal Votes <g>
Dan S. MacAbre
2019-12-02 18:31:04 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my
own bread .... ;p
I make all our bread, too. Two or three loaves a week. I find it
strangely interesting. What flour do you use? Any butter or olive oil?
I make my bread as well, and use Canadian extra strong white bread flour
mixed with a little wholemeal just to colour it up a bit.I use sunflower oil
mainly, but only a spoonful.
I'm still looking for the best flour combination; but it looks like I'm
going to settle on a third wholemeal, two-thirds strong white.

The first recipes I saw were for 450gm of flour and 300ml of water. I
noticed that that was really a pound of flour and a half pint of water,
which I thought was amusing. :-)
Post by Keema's Nan
I find that the ‘doubling in size’ first prove is the vital bit, and only
leave the dough about 20-30 minutes. With Luke warm water I find that is
fine. It means the yeast is still at full whack when the dough goes in the
tins and I don’t have any trouble with rising slowing down before the dough
has risen much above the tin top.
I discovered that, too. Recipes I saw called for an hour for the first
rise, but it seems to me that the yeast is starting to give up by then.
It seems to have a hard enough time anyway, in the Winter. :-) One
problem I have is that the fan in the oven seems to knock it back down a
bit.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Omega
Oh yes, and we have sent in our Postal Votes <g>
Keema's Nan
2019-12-02 18:39:18 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my
own bread .... ;p
I make all our bread, too. Two or three loaves a week. I find it
strangely interesting. What flour do you use? Any butter or olive oil?
I make my bread as well, and use Canadian extra strong white bread flour
mixed with a little wholemeal just to colour it up a bit.I use sunflower oil
mainly, but only a spoonful.
I'm still looking for the best flour combination; but it looks like I'm
going to settle on a third wholemeal, two-thirds strong white.
The first recipes I saw were for 450gm of flour and 300ml of water. I
noticed that that was really a pound of flour and a half pint of water,
which I thought was amusing. :-)
Post by Keema's Nan
I find that the ‘doubling in size’ first prove is the vital bit, and only
leave the dough about 20-30 minutes. With Luke warm water I find that is
fine. It means the yeast is still at full whack when the dough goes in the
tins and I don’t have any trouble with rising slowing down before the dough
has risen much above the tin top.
I discovered that, too. Recipes I saw called for an hour for the first
rise, but it seems to me that the yeast is starting to give up by then.
It seems to have a hard enough time anyway, in the Winter. :-) One
problem I have is that the fan in the oven seems to knock it back down a
bit.
Well, I’m glad (in a way) that I’m not the only one who has similar
problems.

I know what you mean about winter. If the temperature even in the kitchen
struggles to about 17 deg it is difficult to keep the yeast interested.

I wish they made a fan oven with a switch to turn the fan off when not
required.

There probably is one, but I would bet it is a £4000 Neff or something
similar.
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Post by Omega
Oh yes, and we have sent in our Postal Votes <g>
The Marquis Saint Evremonde
2019-12-02 19:26:44 UTC
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I make my bread as well, and use Canadian extra strong white bread flour
mixed with a little wholemeal just to colour it up a bit.I use sunflower oil
mainly, but only a spoonful.
I'm still looking for the best flour combination; but it looks like I'm
going to settle on a third wholemeal, two-thirds strong white.
Same here. Sometimes rye instead of wholemeal.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
The first recipes I saw were for 450gm of flour and 300ml of water. I
noticed that that was really a pound of flour and a half pint of water,
which I thought was amusing. :-)
Post by Keema's Nan
I find that the ‘doubling in size’ first prove is the vital bit, and only
leave the dough about 20-30 minutes. With Luke warm water I find that is
fine. It means the yeast is still at full whack when the dough goes in the
tins and I don’t have any trouble with rising slowing down before the dough
has risen much above the tin top.
I discovered that, too. Recipes I saw called for an hour for the first
rise, but it seems to me that the yeast is starting to give up by then.
It seems to have a hard enough time anyway, in the Winter. :-) One
problem I have is that the fan in the oven seems to knock it back down a
bit.
Well, I’m glad (in a way) that I’m not the only one who has similar
problems.
I know what you mean about winter. If the temperature even in the kitchen
struggles to about 17 deg it is difficult to keep the yeast interested.
I wish they made a fan oven with a switch to turn the fan off when not
required.
There probably is one, but I would bet it is a £4000 Neff or something
similar.
They make automatic breadmakers. They work very well indeed. These days
you can pick them up in a charity shop for a tenner or less.
--
Evremonde
Keema's Nan
2019-12-02 19:40:06 UTC
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I make my bread as well, and use Canadian extra strong white bread flour
mixed with a little wholemeal just to colour it up a bit.I use sunflower oil
mainly, but only a spoonful.
I'm still looking for the best flour combination; but it looks like I'm
going to settle on a third wholemeal, two-thirds strong white.
Same here. Sometimes rye instead of wholemeal.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
The first recipes I saw were for 450gm of flour and 300ml of water. I
noticed that that was really a pound of flour and a half pint of water,
which I thought was amusing. :-)
Post by Keema's Nan
I find that the ‘doubling in size’ first prove is the vital bit, and only
leave the dough about 20-30 minutes. With Luke warm water I find that is
fine. It means the yeast is still at full whack when the dough goes in the
tins and I don’t have any trouble with rising slowing down before the dough
has risen much above the tin top.
I discovered that, too. Recipes I saw called for an hour for the first
rise, but it seems to me that the yeast is starting to give up by then.
It seems to have a hard enough time anyway, in the Winter. :-) One
problem I have is that the fan in the oven seems to knock it back down a
bit.
Well, I’m glad (in a way) that I’m not the only one who has similar
problems.
I know what you mean about winter. If the temperature even in the kitchen
struggles to about 17 deg it is difficult to keep the yeast interested.
I wish they made a fan oven with a switch to turn the fan off when not
required.
There probably is one, but I would bet it is a £4000 Neff or something
similar.
They make automatic breadmakers.
I don’t want a breadmaker. My hands are just as efficient, and kneading is
good exercise for my aching back (believe it or not - back muscles are fickle
things).

I prefer to vary the timing for the conditions, and not have a loaf which has
been heated up whether the dough has finished proving or not.

Some people swear by a slow prove in the fridge overnight. I haven’t dared
try it, but it is said to improve the flavour. You can’t do that in a
breadmaker.
Post by The Marquis Saint Evremonde
They work very well indeed. These days
you can pick them up in a charity shop for a tenner or less.
Why do you think that is?
The Marquis Saint Evremonde
2019-12-02 20:23:02 UTC
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Post by The Marquis Saint Evremonde
They work very well indeed. These days
you can pick them up in a charity shop for a tenner or less.
Why do you think that is?
Probably because they came out about 30 years ago and loads of people
who were given them as presents have now died or gone into homes. They
still work very well indeed though.

Of course they have their limitations. I am still looking for a good
recipe for making ciabatta. My breadmaker recipe book says it does
ciabatta, but it doesn't. It's nice bread, but it's not ciabatta.
--
Evremonde
Incubus
2019-12-03 10:10:14 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
I make my bread as well, and use Canadian extra strong white bread flour
mixed with a little wholemeal just to colour it up a bit.I use sunflower oil
mainly, but only a spoonful.
I'm still looking for the best flour combination; but it looks like I'm
going to settle on a third wholemeal, two-thirds strong white.
Same here. Sometimes rye instead of wholemeal.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
The first recipes I saw were for 450gm of flour and 300ml of water. I
noticed that that was really a pound of flour and a half pint of water,
which I thought was amusing. :-)
Post by Keema's Nan
I find that the ‘doubling in size’ first prove is the vital bit, and only
leave the dough about 20-30 minutes. With Luke warm water I find that is
fine. It means the yeast is still at full whack when the dough goes in the
tins and I don’t have any trouble with rising slowing down before the dough
has risen much above the tin top.
I discovered that, too. Recipes I saw called for an hour for the first
rise, but it seems to me that the yeast is starting to give up by then.
It seems to have a hard enough time anyway, in the Winter. :-) One
problem I have is that the fan in the oven seems to knock it back down a
bit.
Well, I’m glad (in a way) that I’m not the only one who has similar
problems.
I know what you mean about winter. If the temperature even in the kitchen
struggles to about 17 deg it is difficult to keep the yeast interested.
I wish they made a fan oven with a switch to turn the fan off when not
required.
There probably is one, but I would bet it is a £4000 Neff or something
similar.
They make automatic breadmakers.
I don’t want a breadmaker. My hands are just as efficient, and kneading is
good exercise for my aching back (believe it or not - back muscles are fickle
things).
I prefer to vary the timing for the conditions, and not have a loaf which has
been heated up whether the dough has finished proving or not.
Some people swear by a slow prove in the fridge overnight. I haven’t dared
try it, but it is said to improve the flavour. You can’t do that in a
breadmaker.
Post by The Marquis Saint Evremonde
They work very well indeed. These days
you can pick them up in a charity shop for a tenner or less.
Why do you think that is?
I have one that I have barely used. Lack of space in the kitchen is the main
reason. It might get more use soon.

That reminds me, I might have a look for Sony Discmans in the local charity
shops. They never have any decent camera equipment.
Dan S. MacAbre
2019-12-03 10:14:37 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
I make my bread as well, and use Canadian extra strong white bread flour
mixed with a little wholemeal just to colour it up a bit.I use sunflower oil
mainly, but only a spoonful.
I'm still looking for the best flour combination; but it looks like I'm
going to settle on a third wholemeal, two-thirds strong white.
Same here. Sometimes rye instead of wholemeal.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
The first recipes I saw were for 450gm of flour and 300ml of water. I
noticed that that was really a pound of flour and a half pint of water,
which I thought was amusing. :-)
Post by Keema's Nan
I find that the ‘doubling in size’ first prove is the vital bit, and only
leave the dough about 20-30 minutes. With Luke warm water I find that is
fine. It means the yeast is still at full whack when the dough goes in the
tins and I don’t have any trouble with rising slowing down before the dough
has risen much above the tin top.
I discovered that, too. Recipes I saw called for an hour for the first
rise, but it seems to me that the yeast is starting to give up by then.
It seems to have a hard enough time anyway, in the Winter. :-) One
problem I have is that the fan in the oven seems to knock it back down a
bit.
Well, I’m glad (in a way) that I’m not the only one who has similar
problems.
I know what you mean about winter. If the temperature even in the kitchen
struggles to about 17 deg it is difficult to keep the yeast interested.
I wish they made a fan oven with a switch to turn the fan off when not
required.
There probably is one, but I would bet it is a £4000 Neff or something
similar.
They make automatic breadmakers.
I don’t want a breadmaker. My hands are just as efficient, and kneading is
good exercise for my aching back (believe it or not - back muscles are fickle
things).
I prefer to vary the timing for the conditions, and not have a loaf which has
been heated up whether the dough has finished proving or not.
Some people swear by a slow prove in the fridge overnight. I haven’t dared
try it, but it is said to improve the flavour. You can’t do that in a
breadmaker.
Post by The Marquis Saint Evremonde
They work very well indeed. These days
you can pick them up in a charity shop for a tenner or less.
Why do you think that is?
I have one that I have barely used. Lack of space in the kitchen is the main
reason. It might get more use soon.
We had one, but getting the paddles out of the bread made such a mess of
it, that I just started making it in a bowl, instead. Maybe they're
different now? But, TBH, making it in the traditionual way doesn't seem
that much harder to me.
Post by Incubus
That reminds me, I might have a look for Sony Discmans in the local charity
shops. They never have any decent camera equipment.
The Marquis Saint Evremonde
2019-12-03 17:07:24 UTC
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We had one, but getting the paddles out of the bread made such a mess
of it, that I just started making it in a bowl, instead. Maybe they're
different now?
That problem only tends to develop after the breadmaker has been used a
lot and the non-stick coating wears off the paddle. My current one is
relatively new, and the finished loaf just shakes out and leaves the
paddle behind.
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
But, TBH, making it in the traditionual way doesn't seem that much
harder to me.
It takes at least 15 extra minutes of mixing, kneading, cleaning up etc.
And it isn't so easy to bake it on a timer, whereas with a breadmaker
you can set it up the night before and have it ready for 8 am.
--
Evremonde
Dan S. MacAbre
2019-12-03 17:18:40 UTC
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We had one, but getting the paddles out of the bread made such a mess
of it, that I just started making it in a bowl, instead.  Maybe
they're different now?
That problem only tends to develop after the breadmaker has been used a
lot and the non-stick coating wears off the paddle. My current one is
relatively new, and the finished loaf just shakes out and leaves the
paddle behind.
Well, it's certainly possible that I got a bad one. :-) It left big
holes from day one.
Post by The Marquis Saint Evremonde
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
But, TBH, making it in the traditionual way doesn't seem that much
harder to me.
It takes at least 15 extra minutes of mixing, kneading, cleaning up etc.
And it isn't so easy to bake it on a timer, whereas with a breadmaker
you can set it up the night before and have it ready for 8 am.
I don't really knead properly - I just stab it repeatedly with a wooden
spoon in the bowl until it seems to be bouncing back. If I found that
that didn't work, then I'd probably be using a breadmaker, since the
bother of putting flour down, anc cleaning it up, would decide the
matter for me. I don't mind the time spent mixing - it's not like I
have loads of other exciting things to do, and my arms are glad of the
exercise. Good point about the timer, though.
Ophelia
2019-12-03 21:22:56 UTC
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Post by Dan S. MacAbre
We had one, but getting the paddles out of the bread made such a mess of
it, that I just started making it in a bowl, instead. Maybe they're
different now?
That problem only tends to develop after the breadmaker has been used a
lot and the non-stick coating wears off the paddle. My current one is
relatively new, and the finished loaf just shakes out and leaves the
paddle behind.
Well, it's certainly possible that I got a bad one. :-) It left big
holes from day one.
Post by The Marquis Saint Evremonde
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
But, TBH, making it in the traditionual way doesn't seem that much harder
to me.
It takes at least 15 extra minutes of mixing, kneading, cleaning up etc.
And it isn't so easy to bake it on a timer, whereas with a breadmaker you
can set it up the night before and have it ready for 8 am.
I don't really knead properly - I just stab it repeatedly with a wooden
spoon in the bowl until it seems to be bouncing back. If I found that
that didn't work, then I'd probably be using a breadmaker, since the
bother of putting flour down, anc cleaning it up, would decide the
matter for me. I don't mind the time spent mixing - it's not like I
have loads of other exciting things to do, and my arms are glad of the
exercise. Good point about the timer, though.

===

You 'stab' the dough eh? <g> I baked bread by hand for many decades but
now the old arfur has set in so I when it is bad, I mostly use a
breadmaker:))
Dan S. MacAbre
2019-12-03 21:37:09 UTC
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Post by Dan S. MacAbre
We had one, but getting the paddles out of the bread made such a mess
of it, that I just started making it in a bowl, instead.  Maybe
they're different now?
That problem only tends to develop after the breadmaker has been used
a lot and the non-stick coating wears off the paddle. My current one
is relatively new, and the finished loaf just shakes out and leaves
the paddle behind.
Well, it's certainly possible that I got a bad one. :-)  It left big
holes from day one.
Post by The Marquis Saint Evremonde
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
But, TBH, making it in the traditionual way doesn't seem that much
harder to me.
It takes at least 15 extra minutes of mixing, kneading, cleaning up
etc. And it isn't so easy to bake it on a timer, whereas with a
breadmaker you can set it up the night before and have it ready for 8 am.
I don't really knead properly - I just stab it repeatedly with a wooden
spoon in the bowl until it seems to be bouncing back.  If I found that
that didn't work, then I'd probably be using a breadmaker, since the
bother of putting flour down, anc cleaning it up, would decide the
matter for me.  I don't mind the time spent mixing - it's not like I
have loads of other exciting things to do, and my arms are glad of the
exercise.  Good point about the timer, though.
===
   You 'stab' the dough eh? <g> I baked bread by hand for many decades
but now the old arfur has set in so I when it is bad, I mostly use a
breadmaker:))
With the tip of a wooden spoon. :-) Stab stab stab in one direction.
Fold it over itself. Stab stab stab in the other. Repeat until it goes
all elastic and bounces back into shape (which I believe means that the
gluten is doing its work). Works well for me. No way I'm spreading
flour all over the place. :-)
Ophelia
2019-12-04 11:34:36 UTC
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We had one, but getting the paddles out of the bread made such a mess of
it, that I just started making it in a bowl, instead. Maybe they're
different now?
That problem only tends to develop after the breadmaker has been used a
lot and the non-stick coating wears off the paddle. My current one is
relatively new, and the finished loaf just shakes out and leaves the
paddle behind.
Well, it's certainly possible that I got a bad one. :-) It left big
holes from day one.
Post by The Marquis Saint Evremonde
Post by Dan S. MacAbre
But, TBH, making it in the traditionual way doesn't seem that much
harder to me.
It takes at least 15 extra minutes of mixing, kneading, cleaning up etc.
And it isn't so easy to bake it on a timer, whereas with a breadmaker you
can set it up the night before and have it ready for 8 am.
I don't really knead properly - I just stab it repeatedly with a wooden
spoon in the bowl until it seems to be bouncing back. If I found that
that didn't work, then I'd probably be using a breadmaker, since the
bother of putting flour down, anc cleaning it up, would decide the
matter for me. I don't mind the time spent mixing - it's not like I
have loads of other exciting things to do, and my arms are glad of the
exercise. Good point about the timer, though.
===
You 'stab' the dough eh? <g> I baked bread by hand for many decades
but now the old arfur has set in so I when it is bad, I mostly use a
breadmaker:))
With the tip of a wooden spoon. :-) Stab stab stab in one direction.
Fold it over itself. Stab stab stab in the other. Repeat until it goes
all elastic and bounces back into shape (which I believe means that the
gluten is doing its work). Works well for me. No way I'm spreading
flour all over the place. :-)

===

Hey, if it works ... great:)))
Ophelia
2019-12-02 20:08:40 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my
own bread .... ;p
I make all our bread, too. Two or three loaves a week. I find it
strangely interesting. What flour do you use? Any butter or olive oil?
I make my bread as well, and use Canadian extra strong white bread flour
mixed with a little wholemeal just to colour it up a bit.I use sunflower oil
mainly, but only a spoonful.

I find that the ‘doubling in size’ first prove is the vital bit, and only
leave the dough about 20-30 minutes. With Luke warm water I find that is
fine. It means the yeast is still at full whack when the dough goes in the
tins and I don’t have any trouble with rising slowing down before the dough
has risen much above the tin top.

===

Well done:)) Sounds good to me:)
Keema's Nan
2019-12-03 10:44:58 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my
own bread .... ;p
I make all our bread, too. Two or three loaves a week. I find it
strangely interesting. What flour do you use? Any butter or olive oil?
I make my bread as well, and use Canadian extra strong white bread flour
mixed with a little wholemeal just to colour it up a bit.I use sunflower oil
mainly, but only a spoonful.
I find that the ‘doubling in size’ first prove is the vital bit, and only
leave the dough about 20-30 minutes. With Luke warm water I find that is
fine. It means the yeast is still at full whack when the dough goes in the
tins and I don’t have any trouble with rising slowing down before the dough
has risen much above the tin top.
===
Well done:)) Sounds good to me:)
I’m hoping to try coconut white chocolate truffles tomorrow. I was watching
a cookery programme with my granddaughter while she was unwell and despite
occasional sickness she said “I really like those” (mind you she says
that to most food), so I will see if I can produce some edible ones. They
have to be egg and gluten free to satisfy her parents, but that shouldn’t
be a problem.

The challenge will be the panettoni ice cream bombe I also told I would try
for Christmas as she “really likes those”, but home-made panettoni with
no gluten and no eggs is not going to be easy-peasy, but I will have fun
experimenting.
Ophelia
2019-12-03 13:32:34 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election
Day,
and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my
own bread .... ;p
I make all our bread, too. Two or three loaves a week. I find it
strangely interesting. What flour do you use? Any butter or olive oil?
I make my bread as well, and use Canadian extra strong white bread flour
mixed with a little wholemeal just to colour it up a bit.I use sunflower oil
mainly, but only a spoonful.
I find that the ‘doubling in size’ first prove is the vital bit, and only
leave the dough about 20-30 minutes. With Luke warm water I find that is
fine. It means the yeast is still at full whack when the dough goes in the
tins and I don’t have any trouble with rising slowing down before the dough
has risen much above the tin top.
===
Well done:)) Sounds good to me:)
I’m hoping to try coconut white chocolate truffles tomorrow. I was watching
a cookery programme with my granddaughter while she was unwell and despite
occasional sickness she said “I really like those” (mind you she says
that to most food), so I will see if I can produce some edible ones. They
have to be egg and gluten free to satisfy her parents, but that shouldn’t
be a problem.

The challenge will be the panettoni ice cream bombe I also told I would try
for Christmas as she “really likes those”, but home-made panettoni with
no gluten and no eggs is not going to be easy-peasy, but I will have fun
experimenting.

===

Oh yes! I love to experiment and do so all the time:)))

Good luck and do report back and tell us how it goes:))
Keema's Nan
2019-12-04 20:15:04 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election
Day,
and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my
own bread .... ;p
I make all our bread, too. Two or three loaves a week. I find it
strangely interesting. What flour do you use? Any butter or olive oil?
I make my bread as well, and use Canadian extra strong white bread flour
mixed with a little wholemeal just to colour it up a bit.I use sunflower oil
mainly, but only a spoonful.
I find that the ‘doubling in size’ first prove is the vital bit, and only
leave the dough about 20-30 minutes. With Luke warm water I find that is
fine. It means the yeast is still at full whack when the dough goes in the
tins and I don’t have any trouble with rising slowing down before the dough
has risen much above the tin top.
===
Well done:)) Sounds good to me:)
I’m hoping to try coconut white chocolate truffles tomorrow. I was watching
a cookery programme with my granddaughter while she was unwell and despite
occasional sickness she said “I really like those” (mind you she says
that to most food), so I will see if I can produce some edible ones. They
have to be egg and gluten free to satisfy her parents, but that shouldn’t
be a problem.
The challenge will be the panettoni ice cream bombe I also told I would try
for Christmas as she “really likes those”, but home-made panettoni with
no gluten and no eggs is not going to be easy-peasy, but I will have fun
experimenting.
===
Oh yes! I love to experiment and do so all the time:)))
Good luck and do report back and tell us how it goes:))
The truffles went quite well, but the mixture took much longer to set than I
anticipated; even after a long spell in the fridge.

I could only take a dozen to granddaughter’s because the middle of the
mixture was still too soft, but she was allowed two and loved them. Her
brother liked them too, but the rest were left for mummy and daddy.

Even 6 hours after mixing, the truffle mixture was not set properly; although
it is ok to work with now. I will have to freeze them, as I will not see them
for a while.
Ophelia
2019-12-04 20:37:58 UTC
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I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election
Day,
and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my
own bread .... ;p
I make all our bread, too. Two or three loaves a week. I find it
strangely interesting. What flour do you use? Any butter or olive oil?
I make my bread as well, and use Canadian extra strong white bread flour
mixed with a little wholemeal just to colour it up a bit.I use sunflower oil
mainly, but only a spoonful.
I find that the ‘doubling in size’ first prove is the vital bit, and only
leave the dough about 20-30 minutes. With Luke warm water I find that is
fine. It means the yeast is still at full whack when the dough goes in the
tins and I don’t have any trouble with rising slowing down before the dough
has risen much above the tin top.
===
Well done:)) Sounds good to me:)
I’m hoping to try coconut white chocolate truffles tomorrow. I was watching
a cookery programme with my granddaughter while she was unwell and despite
occasional sickness she said “I really like those” (mind you she says
that to most food), so I will see if I can produce some edible ones. They
have to be egg and gluten free to satisfy her parents, but that shouldn’t
be a problem.
The challenge will be the panettoni ice cream bombe I also told I would try
for Christmas as she “really likes those”, but home-made panettoni with
no gluten and no eggs is not going to be easy-peasy, but I will have fun
experimenting.
===
Oh yes! I love to experiment and do so all the time:)))
Good luck and do report back and tell us how it goes:))
The truffles went quite well, but the mixture took much longer to set than I
anticipated; even after a long spell in the fridge.

I could only take a dozen to granddaughter’s because the middle of the
mixture was still too soft, but she was allowed two and loved them. Her
brother liked them too, but the rest were left for mummy and daddy.

Even 6 hours after mixing, the truffle mixture was not set properly;
although
it is ok to work with now. I will have to freeze them, as I will not see
them
for a while.

===

If your Granddaughter loved them ... that is all you need to know <g>

Success!!! :)
Ophelia
2019-12-02 19:19:49 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my own
bread .... ;p
I make all our bread, too. Two or three loaves a week. I find it
strangely interesting. What flour do you use? Any butter or olive oil?

----

It depends what D. wants:)) Atm he is heavily into wholemeal with plenty
of seeds and wheatflakes.

I make all different ones. Oh yes. I use butter:) What is your
favourite?
Dan S. MacAbre
2019-12-02 20:38:37 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread?  Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt   and and and ...  they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed!  Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
  LOL  not all us 'oldies' do that yannow.  For example I make all my
own bread .... ;p
I make all our bread, too.  Two or three loaves a week.  I find it
strangely interesting.  What flour do you use?  Any butter or olive oil?
----
  It depends what D. wants:))  Atm he is heavily into wholemeal with
plenty of seeds and  wheatflakes.
  I make all different ones. Oh yes. I use butter:)  What is your
favourite?
I use olive oil. Simply because it remains liquid even in Winter. I
might try sunflower oil now - I'm always looking for ways to make it
less dense.
Ophelia
2019-12-02 21:37:45 UTC
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Post by Omega
Post by Keema's Nan
I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my
own bread .... ;p
I make all our bread, too. Two or three loaves a week. I find it
strangely interesting. What flour do you use? Any butter or olive oil?
----
It depends what D. wants:)) Atm he is heavily into wholemeal with
plenty of seeds and wheatflakes.
I make all different ones. Oh yes. I use butter:) What is your
favourite?
I use olive oil. Simply because it remains liquid even in Winter. I
might try sunflower oil now - I'm always looking for ways to make it
less dense.

===

If you have found what works for you ... it's all good:))
Keema's Nan
2019-12-03 10:58:55 UTC
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Post by Omega
Post by Keema's Nan
I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my
own bread .... ;p
I make all our bread, too. Two or three loaves a week. I find it
strangely interesting. What flour do you use? Any butter or olive oil?
----
It depends what D. wants:)) Atm he is heavily into wholemeal with
plenty of seeds and wheatflakes.
I make all different ones. Oh yes. I use butter:) What is your
favourite?
I use olive oil. Simply because it remains liquid even in Winter. I
might try sunflower oil now - I'm always looking for ways to make it
less dense.
I tried rapeseed oil once, but never again. It gave the bread a rather
horrible back-taste.

I wish they would ban that crop. It is probably one of the most
environmentally unfriendly things around, except for a few weeks when it
flowers - but even then it stinks.
Incubus
2019-12-03 11:07:11 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Omega
Post by Keema's Nan
I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my
own bread .... ;p
I make all our bread, too. Two or three loaves a week. I find it
strangely interesting. What flour do you use? Any butter or olive oil?
----
It depends what D. wants:)) Atm he is heavily into wholemeal with
plenty of seeds and wheatflakes.
I make all different ones. Oh yes. I use butter:) What is your
favourite?
I use olive oil. Simply because it remains liquid even in Winter. I
might try sunflower oil now - I'm always looking for ways to make it
less dense.
I tried rapeseed oil once, but never again. It gave the bread a rather
horrible back-taste.
I wish they would ban that crop. It is probably one of the most
environmentally unfriendly things around, except for a few weeks when it
flowers - but even then it stinks.
I think it's extremely insensitive in the #MeToo era to cultivate a crop called
rape. Doing so should be considered a hate crime.

In the meantime, I'm gathering a petition to change the name of "Ham" to
something more appropriate on the basis that its current name is offensive to
Moslems.
Keema's Nan
2019-12-03 12:09:14 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Omega
Post by Keema's Nan
I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election
Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my
own bread .... ;p
I make all our bread, too. Two or three loaves a week. I find it
strangely interesting. What flour do you use? Any butter or olive oil?
----
It depends what D. wants:)) Atm he is heavily into wholemeal with
plenty of seeds and wheatflakes.
I make all different ones. Oh yes. I use butter:) What is your
favourite?
I use olive oil. Simply because it remains liquid even in Winter. I
might try sunflower oil now - I'm always looking for ways to make it
less dense.
I tried rapeseed oil once, but never again. It gave the bread a rather
horrible back-taste.
I wish they would ban that crop. It is probably one of the most
environmentally unfriendly things around, except for a few weeks when it
flowers - but even then it stinks.
I think it's extremely insensitive in the #MeToo era to cultivate a crop called
rape. Doing so should be considered a hate crime.
LOL
Post by Incubus
In the meantime, I'm gathering a petition to change the name of "Ham" to
something more appropriate on the basis that its current name is offensive to
Moslems.
Ophelia
2019-12-03 13:36:59 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Omega
Post by Keema's Nan
I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my
own bread .... ;p
I make all our bread, too. Two or three loaves a week. I find it
strangely interesting. What flour do you use? Any butter or olive oil?
----
It depends what D. wants:)) Atm he is heavily into wholemeal with
plenty of seeds and wheatflakes.
I make all different ones. Oh yes. I use butter:) What is your
favourite?
I use olive oil. Simply because it remains liquid even in Winter. I
might try sunflower oil now - I'm always looking for ways to make it
less dense.
I tried rapeseed oil once, but never again. It gave the bread a rather
horrible back-taste.
I wish they would ban that crop. It is probably one of the most
environmentally unfriendly things around, except for a few weeks when it
flowers - but even then it stinks.
I think it's extremely insensitive in the #MeToo era to cultivate a crop
called
rape. Doing so should be considered a hate crime.

It is called Canola in other countries:) I am surprised farmers here
have not been prosecuted <g>

In the meantime, I'm gathering a petition to change the name of "Ham" to
something more appropriate on the basis that its current name is offensive
to
Moslems.

Nodnodnod! It is a disgrace ...
Keema's Nan
2019-12-04 20:10:28 UTC
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Post by Omega
Post by Keema's Nan
I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
Yes, a friend of mine went to his local Co-op last time it snowed, but there
was no bread left. The man at the till said some chap had come in earlier and
bought 14 loaves.

I suppose there is nothing they could do to stop him at the time, but I would
only put a couple out at once and leave the rest in the store room.
Post by Omega
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my own
bread .... ;p
Oh yes, and we have sent in our Postal Votes<g>
Omega
2019-12-08 12:28:23 UTC
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Post by Omega
Post by Keema's Nan
I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread?  Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt   and and and ...  they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed!  Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
 LOL  not all us 'oldies' do that yannow.  For example I make all my
own bread .... ;p
 Oh yes, and we have sent in our Postal Votes <g>
And I'm sure your bread is delicious.

I suppose a trek out to a bothy to vote, the other side of nowhere would
be out of the question where you live so yes, postal vote.

omega
Ophelia
2019-12-08 12:30:49 UTC
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Post by Omega
Post by Keema's Nan
I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my own
bread .... ;p
Oh yes, and we have sent in our Postal Votes <g>
And I'm sure your bread is delicious.

I suppose a trek out to a bothy to vote, the other side of nowhere would
be out of the question where you live so yes, postal vote.

omega

===

My bread is much appreciated here:) As for trecking out .. the nearest
shop is 9 miles away so I leave you to guess the rest:)
Keema's Nan
2019-12-08 13:34:41 UTC
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Post by Omega
Post by Keema's Nan
I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my own
bread .... ;p
Oh yes, and we have sent in our Postal Votes<g>
And I'm sure your bread is delicious.
I suppose a trek out to a bothy to vote, the other side of nowhere would
be out of the question where you live so yes, postal vote.
omega
===
My bread is much appreciated here:) As for trecking out .. the nearest
shop is 9 miles away so I leave you to guess the rest:)
Sounds like splendid isolation; and I bet you have wonderful clear night
skies.

My telescope is little used down here. I can see decent images of Jupiter and
Saturn occasionally, when they come around - but that is about all apart from
close-ups of the moon’s craters.
Ophelia
2019-12-08 15:01:29 UTC
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Post by Omega
Post by Keema's Nan
I have seen the computer weather forecasts for the UK on Election Day, and
they say it is going to snow.
All the over 60s likely to stay at home and Tory votes will plummet.
You heard it here first, folks.
I live next door to a primary school, if a single snowflake of the
meteorological kind falls past the head teachers office, miss closes the
fucking school.
The aptly named snowflakes then get sent home.
Heavy snow on polling day will keep the snowflakes indoors as that is
what the poor sods have been weaned on.
Also, have you never observed when it snows, the local shop runs out of
bread? Yep, there go your oldies again, snidy bastards gathering all
they can in case there's a siege, they love snow, it gives them purpose!
If it snows, the oldies will be out in there droves, the old buggas love
drama, they still have some soul in their veins.
The snowflakes will play all day on their phones having heavy nervous
breakdown because they haven't collected enough 'likes' and then twatter
and facebutt and and and ... they won't vote, not our fault it
snowed! Poor, poor little snowies!
omega
===
LOL not all us 'oldies' do that yannow. For example I make all my own
bread .... ;p
Oh yes, and we have sent in our Postal Votes<g>
And I'm sure your bread is delicious.
I suppose a trek out to a bothy to vote, the other side of nowhere would
be out of the question where you live so yes, postal vote.
omega
===
My bread is much appreciated here:) As for trecking out .. the nearest
shop is 9 miles away so I leave you to guess the rest:)
Sounds like splendid isolation; and I bet you have wonderful clear night
skies.

Yes we do, sometimes:)))

My telescope is little used down here. I can see decent images of Jupiter
and
Saturn occasionally, when they come around - but that is about all apart
from
close-ups of the moon’s craters.

I have never thought about that. You have me curious ...
Mark, Devon
2019-12-02 18:10:58 UTC
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I think a lot of former Tory voters are now very embarassed to be associated with Johnson, and are advising all their family not to vote for him. Also, Johnson's anti-women and anti-families position and general slippery untrustworthiness is very unfortunate.
JNugent
2019-12-03 14:33:18 UTC
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