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Greenpeace protest the EUSSR paint their 1st parliament!
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The Iceberg
2021-05-26 11:00:49 UTC
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Maybe they don't know the EUSSR has TWO parliaments, yes, they have another pointless one in Strasbourg that's a copy of the Brussells one, Euro tax payers all pay for it for no reason, so this doesn't matter really! LOL

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1441367/eu-protest-greenpeace-european-parliament-climate-CAP

EU protest: Chaos as Greenpeace cover Parliament entrance in paint - 'Disaster!'
GREENPEACE activists have staged a damning protest outside the European Parliament blocking MEPs from entering the building.

The climate change activists coloured the pavement outside the EU Parliament in green paint as negotiations on the EU's Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) reform continue in Brussels. The organisation tweeted: "Activists colour EU Parliament green as negotiations on EU's #FutureOfCAP farming reform enter final stages inside.
Pamela
2021-05-27 20:34:25 UTC
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Post by The Iceberg
Maybe they don't know the EUSSR has TWO parliaments, yes, they have
another pointless one in Strasbourg that's a copy of the Brussells
one, Euro tax payers all pay for it for no reason, so this doesn't
matter really! LOL
I wouldn't worry yourself about the EU's arrangements. Instead ask what
tangible benefit has Brexit brought the man in the street?

The only thing I've noticed are higher prices, shortages of some goods
and increased bureaucracy when travelling abroad or sending goods.

Oh and complaints from fishermen and farmers.

Why isn't Boris building new hospitals with all that lovely wonga he
mentioned on the side of the bus?
Ian Jackson
2021-05-27 21:46:39 UTC
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Post by The Iceberg
Maybe they don't know the EUSSR has TWO parliaments, yes, they have
another pointless one in Strasbourg that's a copy of the Brussells
one, Euro tax payers all pay for it for no reason, so this doesn't
matter really! LOL
I wouldn't worry yourself about the EU's arrangements. Instead ask what
tangible benefit has Brexit brought the man in the street?
The only thing I've noticed are higher prices, shortages of some goods
and increased bureaucracy when travelling abroad or sending goods.
Oh and complaints from fishermen and farmers.
Why isn't Boris building new hospitals with all that lovely wonga he
mentioned on the side of the bus?
Most of the predicted Brexit Bonus Benefits were never realistically
going to happen - and because of economic consequences of the Covid-19
virus, even those that might possibly have happened are unlikely to
happen either. Conveniently, most of the effects of the Brexit cock-up
can now be blamed on the virus.
--
Ian
Spike
2021-05-28 07:59:58 UTC
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Post by Pamela
I wouldn't worry yourself about the EU's arrangements. Instead ask what
tangible benefit has Brexit brought the man in the street?
The only thing I've noticed are higher prices, shortages of some goods
and increased bureaucracy when travelling abroad or sending goods.
Oh and complaints from fishermen and farmers.
Why isn't Boris building new hospitals with all that lovely wonga he
mentioned on the side of the bus?
Most of the predicted Brexit Bonus Benefits were never realistically
going to happen - and because of economic consequences of the Covid-19
virus, even those that might possibly have happened are unlikely to
happen either. Conveniently, most of the effects of the Brexit cock-up
can now be blamed on the virus.
You and Pamela should get a room, preferably one with a radio. You could
then listen to the business news. This paints a completely different
picture than the one you tirelessly regurgitate. As it is, you seem like
two old bag-ladies discussing long-past politics while the world powers on.
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Spike
Pamela
2021-05-28 11:31:55 UTC
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Post by Pamela
I wouldn't worry yourself about the EU's arrangements. Instead ask
what tangible benefit has Brexit brought the man in the street?
The only thing I've noticed are higher prices, shortages of some
goods and increased bureaucracy when travelling abroad or sending
goods.
Oh and complaints from fishermen and farmers.
Why isn't Boris building new hospitals with all that lovely wonga
he mentioned on the side of the bus?
Most of the predicted Brexit Bonus Benefits were never
realistically going to happen - and because of economic
consequences of the Covid-19 virus, even those that might possibly
have happened are unlikely to happen either. Conveniently, most of
the effects of the Brexit cock-up can now be blamed on the virus.
You and Pamela should get a room, preferably one with a radio. You
could then listen to the business news. This paints a completely
different picture than the one you tirelessly regurgitate. As it is,
you seem like two old bag-ladies discussing long-past politics while
the world powers on.
Sadly my radio doesn't pick up Radio Brexit or whatever you listen to,
where business leaders are rejoicing at Brexit.

On the other hand did you see the following news story yesterday? What
a mess.

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"New report suggests no saving grace in Brexit for business"

https://londonlovesbusiness.com/new-report-suggests-no-saving-grace-
in-brexit-for-business/
Spike
2021-05-28 14:31:57 UTC
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Post by Pamela
I wouldn't worry yourself about the EU's arrangements. Instead ask
what tangible benefit has Brexit brought the man in the street?
The only thing I've noticed are higher prices, shortages of some
goods and increased bureaucracy when travelling abroad or sending
goods.
Oh and complaints from fishermen and farmers.
Why isn't Boris building new hospitals with all that lovely wonga
he mentioned on the side of the bus?
Most of the predicted Brexit Bonus Benefits were never
realistically going to happen - and because of economic
consequences of the Covid-19 virus, even those that might possibly
have happened are unlikely to happen either. Conveniently, most of
the effects of the Brexit cock-up can now be blamed on the virus.
You and Pamela should get a room, preferably one with a radio. You
could then listen to the business news. This paints a completely
different picture than the one you tirelessly regurgitate. As it is,
you seem like two old bag-ladies discussing long-past politics while
the world powers on.
Sadly my radio doesn't pick up Radio Brexit or whatever you listen to,
where business leaders are rejoicing at Brexit.
Your radio seems only to pick up Radio Remain or whatever you listen to,
where business leaders are bemoaning Brexit.
Post by Pamela
On the other hand did you see the following news story yesterday? What
a mess.
"New report suggests no saving grace in Brexit for business"
https://londonlovesbusiness.com/new-report-suggests-no-saving-grace-
in-brexit-for-business/
See what I mean?
--
Spike
Ian Jackson
2021-05-28 20:40:58 UTC
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Post by Pamela
I wouldn't worry yourself about the EU's arrangements. Instead ask
what tangible benefit has Brexit brought the man in the street?
The only thing I've noticed are higher prices, shortages of some
goods and increased bureaucracy when travelling abroad or sending
goods.
Oh and complaints from fishermen and farmers.
Why isn't Boris building new hospitals with all that lovely wonga
he mentioned on the side of the bus?
Most of the predicted Brexit Bonus Benefits were never
realistically going to happen - and because of economic
consequences of the Covid-19 virus, even those that might possibly
have happened are unlikely to happen either. Conveniently, most of
the effects of the Brexit cock-up can now be blamed on the virus.
You and Pamela should get a room, preferably one with a radio. You
could then listen to the business news. This paints a completely
different picture than the one you tirelessly regurgitate. As it is,
you seem like two old bag-ladies discussing long-past politics while
the world powers on.
Sadly my radio doesn't pick up Radio Brexit or whatever you listen to,
where business leaders are rejoicing at Brexit.
Your radio seems only to pick up Radio Remain or whatever you listen to,
where business leaders are bemoaning Brexit.
Post by Pamela
On the other hand did you see the following news story yesterday? What
a mess.
"New report suggests no saving grace in Brexit for business"
https://londonlovesbusiness.com/new-report-suggests-no-saving-grace-
in-brexit-for-business/
See what I mean?
Come on, Spike, give us a few links to some really good news - something
that would not have happened if it had not been for Brexit (Nissan going
to make electric cars at Sunderland doesn't count).
--
Ian
Ian Jackson
2021-05-30 15:18:37 UTC
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Post by Pamela
I wouldn't worry yourself about the EU's arrangements. Instead ask
what tangible benefit has Brexit brought the man in the street?
The only thing I've noticed are higher prices, shortages of some
goods and increased bureaucracy when travelling abroad or sending
goods.
Oh and complaints from fishermen and farmers.
Why isn't Boris building new hospitals with all that lovely wonga
he mentioned on the side of the bus?
Most of the predicted Brexit Bonus Benefits were never
realistically going to happen - and because of economic
consequences of the Covid-19 virus, even those that might possibly
have happened are unlikely to happen either. Conveniently, most of
the effects of the Brexit cock-up can now be blamed on the virus.
You and Pamela should get a room, preferably one with a radio. You
could then listen to the business news. This paints a completely
different picture than the one you tirelessly regurgitate. As it is,
you seem like two old bag-ladies discussing long-past politics while
the world powers on.
Sadly my radio doesn't pick up Radio Brexit or whatever you listen to,
where business leaders are rejoicing at Brexit.
Your radio seems only to pick up Radio Remain or whatever you listen to,
where business leaders are bemoaning Brexit.
Post by Pamela
On the other hand did you see the following news story yesterday? What
a mess.
"New report suggests no saving grace in Brexit for business"
https://londonlovesbusiness.com/new-report-suggests-no-saving-grace-
in-brexit-for-business/
See what I mean?
Come on, Spike, give us a few links to some really good news -
something that would not have happened if it had not been for Brexit
(Nissan going to make electric cars at Sunderland doesn't count).
"No answer" came the stern reply....
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Ian
Spike
2021-05-31 16:07:24 UTC
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Post by Pamela
I wouldn't worry yourself about the EU's arrangements. Instead ask
what tangible benefit has Brexit brought the man in the street?
The only thing I've noticed are higher prices, shortages of some
goods and increased bureaucracy when travelling abroad or sending
goods.
Oh and complaints from fishermen and farmers.
Why isn't Boris building new hospitals with all that lovely wonga
he mentioned on the side of the bus?
Most of the predicted Brexit Bonus Benefits were never
realistically going to happen - and because of economic
consequences of the Covid-19 virus, even those that might possibly
have happened are unlikely to happen either. Conveniently, most of
the effects of the Brexit cock-up can now be blamed on the virus.
You and Pamela should get a room, preferably one with a radio. You
could then listen to the business news. This paints a completely
different picture than the one you tirelessly regurgitate. As it is,
you seem like two old bag-ladies discussing long-past politics while
the world powers on.
Sadly my radio doesn't pick up Radio Brexit or whatever you listen to,
where business leaders are rejoicing at Brexit.
Your radio seems only to pick up Radio Remain or whatever you listen to,
where business leaders are bemoaning Brexit.
Post by Pamela
On the other hand did you see the following news story yesterday? What
a mess.
"New report suggests no saving grace in Brexit for business"
https://londonlovesbusiness.com/new-report-suggests-no-saving-grace-
in-brexit-for-business/
See what I mean?
Come on, Spike, give us a few links to some really good news - something
that would not have happened if it had not been for Brexit (Nissan going
to make electric cars at Sunderland doesn't count).
Sunderland was discounted by the BBC as soon as the results came in on
Referendum night.

Keep up the tradition, it's easier than thinking for yourself.
--
Spike
Ian Jackson
2021-05-31 18:50:22 UTC
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Post by Pamela
I wouldn't worry yourself about the EU's arrangements. Instead ask
what tangible benefit has Brexit brought the man in the street?
The only thing I've noticed are higher prices, shortages of some
goods and increased bureaucracy when travelling abroad or sending
goods.
Oh and complaints from fishermen and farmers.
Why isn't Boris building new hospitals with all that lovely wonga
he mentioned on the side of the bus?
Most of the predicted Brexit Bonus Benefits were never
realistically going to happen - and because of economic
consequences of the Covid-19 virus, even those that might possibly
have happened are unlikely to happen either. Conveniently, most of
the effects of the Brexit cock-up can now be blamed on the virus.
You and Pamela should get a room, preferably one with a radio. You
could then listen to the business news. This paints a completely
different picture than the one you tirelessly regurgitate. As it is,
you seem like two old bag-ladies discussing long-past politics while
the world powers on.
Sadly my radio doesn't pick up Radio Brexit or whatever you listen to,
where business leaders are rejoicing at Brexit.
Your radio seems only to pick up Radio Remain or whatever you listen to,
where business leaders are bemoaning Brexit.
Post by Pamela
On the other hand did you see the following news story yesterday? What
a mess.
"New report suggests no saving grace in Brexit for business"
https://londonlovesbusiness.com/new-report-suggests-no-saving-grace-
in-brexit-for-business/
See what I mean?
Come on, Spike, give us a few links to some really good news - something
that would not have happened if it had not been for Brexit (Nissan going
to make electric cars at Sunderland doesn't count).
Sunderland was discounted by the BBC as soon as the results came in on
Referendum night.
Keep up the tradition, it's easier than thinking for yourself.
What on earth does the BBC's opinions about Sunderland, in June 2016,
have to do with Nissan decision to make electric cars there?
--
Ian
Pamela
2021-06-01 15:56:28 UTC
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Post by Pamela
I wouldn't worry yourself about the EU's arrangements.
Instead ask what tangible benefit has Brexit brought the man
in the street?
The only thing I've noticed are higher prices, shortages of
some goods and increased bureaucracy when travelling abroad
or sending goods.
Oh and complaints from fishermen and farmers.
Why isn't Boris building new hospitals with all that lovely
wonga he mentioned on the side of the bus?
Most of the predicted Brexit Bonus Benefits were never
realistically going to happen - and because of economic
consequences of the Covid-19 virus, even those that might
possibly have happened are unlikely to happen either.
Conveniently, most of the effects of the Brexit cock-up can
now be blamed on the virus.
You and Pamela should get a room, preferably one with a radio.
You could then listen to the business news. This paints a
completely different picture than the one you tirelessly
regurgitate. As it is, you seem like two old bag-ladies
discussing long-past politics while the world powers on.
Sadly my radio doesn't pick up Radio Brexit or whatever you
listen to, where business leaders are rejoicing at Brexit.
Your radio seems only to pick up Radio Remain or whatever you
listen to, where business leaders are bemoaning Brexit.
Post by Pamela
On the other hand did you see the following news story
yesterday? What a mess.
"New report suggests no saving grace in Brexit for business"
https://londonlovesbusiness.com/new-report-suggests-no-
saving-grace-in-brexit-for-business/
See what I mean?
Come on, Spike, give us a few links to some really good news -
something that would not have happened if it had not been for
Brexit (Nissan going to make electric cars at Sunderland doesn't
count).
Sunderland was discounted by the BBC as soon as the results came in
on Referendum night.
Keep up the tradition, it's easier than thinking for yourself.
What on earth does the BBC's opinions about Sunderland, in June
2016, have to do with Nissan decision to make electric cars there?
My loony detector warning light flickers whenever a poster complains
the mainstream media failed to report what they think is important.

The pinko Beeb is chock full of blinkered luvvies but Hanlon's Razor
says that hardly constitutes a conspiracy.
Spike
2021-06-02 07:44:44 UTC
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Post by Spike
Post by Ian Jackson
Come on, Spike, give us a few links to some really good news - something
that would not have happened if it had not been for Brexit (Nissan going
to make electric cars at Sunderland doesn't count).
Sunderland was discounted by the BBC as soon as the results came in on
Referendum night.
Keep up the tradition, it's easier than thinking for yourself.
What on earth does the BBC's opinions about Sunderland, in June 2016,
have to do with Nissan decision to make electric cars there?
To those that understand the Sunderland Effect, no explanation is necessary.

To those that do not understand the Sunderland Effect, no explanation is
possible.
--
Spike
Ian Jackson
2021-06-02 08:00:42 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Spike
Post by Ian Jackson
Come on, Spike, give us a few links to some really good news - something
that would not have happened if it had not been for Brexit (Nissan going
to make electric cars at Sunderland doesn't count).
Sunderland was discounted by the BBC as soon as the results came in on
Referendum night.
Keep up the tradition, it's easier than thinking for yourself.
What on earth does the BBC's opinions about Sunderland, in June 2016,
have to do with Nissan decision to make electric cars there?
To those that understand the Sunderland Effect, no explanation is necessary.
To those that do not understand the Sunderland Effect, no explanation is
possible.
Thanks for that concise explanation. How highly enlightening. However,
to me, it will always be expecting shipbuilding to return to the Wear,
and coalmining to County Durham.
--
Ian
Spike
2021-06-02 10:22:07 UTC
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Post by Spike
Post by Ian Jackson
Come on, Spike, give us a few links to some really good news - something
that would not have happened if it had not been for Brexit (Nissan going
to make electric cars at Sunderland doesn't count).
Sunderland was discounted by the BBC as soon as the results came in on
Referendum night.
Keep up the tradition, it's easier than thinking for yourself.
What on earth does the BBC's opinions about Sunderland, in June 2016,
have to do with Nissan decision to make electric cars there?
To those that understand the Sunderland Effect, no explanation is necessary.
To those that do not understand the Sunderland Effect, no explanation is
possible.
Thanks for that concise explanation. How highly enlightening. However,
to me, it will always be expecting shipbuilding to return to the Wear,
and coalmining to County Durham.
The people of Sunderland, much to the chagrin of the BBC both on
Referendum night and since, chose to take a leap in the dark. And it
seems to be paying off for them. You, on the other hand, are stuck in
the past, so I can see why you might not understand the position of the
people that you dismissed so lightly.
--
Spike
Ian Jackson
2021-06-02 12:26:27 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Spike
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Spike
Post by Ian Jackson
Come on, Spike, give us a few links to some really good news - something
that would not have happened if it had not been for Brexit (Nissan going
to make electric cars at Sunderland doesn't count).
Sunderland was discounted by the BBC as soon as the results came in on
Referendum night.
Keep up the tradition, it's easier than thinking for yourself.
What on earth does the BBC's opinions about Sunderland, in June 2016,
have to do with Nissan decision to make electric cars there?
To those that understand the Sunderland Effect, no explanation is necessary.
To those that do not understand the Sunderland Effect, no explanation is
possible.
Thanks for that concise explanation. How highly enlightening. However,
to me, it will always be expecting shipbuilding to return to the Wear,
and coalmining to County Durham.
The people of Sunderland, much to the chagrin of the BBC both on
Referendum night and since, chose to take a leap in the dark.
Which is not usually a good basis for planning for the future.
Post by Spike
And it
seems to be paying off for them.
What's "paying off for them"? Do you mean that Nissan didn't immediately
decide to pack up and move to Europe (with whom Japan has a trade
agreement)? This was certainly a possibility. I can't see Nissan ever
saying "Whoopee! Brexit will present us with a whole range of
opportunities that we never had when the UK was in the EU".
Post by Spike
You, on the other hand, are stuck in
the past, so I can see why you might not understand the position of the
people that you dismissed so lightly.
I can't see much benefit to Sunderland - except that it might become one
of the much-vaunted 'freeports'. However, when we were in the EU, as far
as the EU was concerned weren't all our ports 'freeports'?
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Ian
abelard
2021-06-02 13:15:44 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
I can't see much benefit to Sunderland - except that it might become one
of the much-vaunted 'freeports'. However, when we were in the EU, as far
as the EU was concerned weren't all our ports 'freeports'?
no, they were all trade restricted ports
Pamela
2021-06-02 21:53:38 UTC
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What's "paying off for them"? Do you mean that Nissan didn't
immediately decide to pack up and move to Europe (with whom Japan
has a trade agreement)? This was certainly a possibility. I can't
see Nissan ever saying "Whoopee! Brexit will present us with a whole
range of opportunities that we never had when the UK was in the EU".
Nissan were probably swayed by the fall in the pound against the Euro
caused by Brexit which makes for cheaper British labour.
Spike
2021-06-04 08:20:44 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Spike
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Spike
Post by Ian Jackson
Come on, Spike, give us a few links to some really good news - something
that would not have happened if it had not been for Brexit (Nissan going
to make electric cars at Sunderland doesn't count).
Sunderland was discounted by the BBC as soon as the results came in on
Referendum night.
Keep up the tradition, it's easier than thinking for yourself.
What on earth does the BBC's opinions about Sunderland, in June 2016,
have to do with Nissan decision to make electric cars there?
To those that understand the Sunderland Effect, no explanation is necessary.
To those that do not understand the Sunderland Effect, no explanation is
possible.
Thanks for that concise explanation. How highly enlightening. However,
to me, it will always be expecting shipbuilding to return to the Wear,
and coalmining to County Durham.
The people of Sunderland, much to the chagrin of the BBC both on
Referendum night and since, chose to take a leap in the dark.
Which is not usually a good basis for planning for the future.
What's that to you? You live in the past.
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Spike
And it seems to be paying off for them.
What's "paying off for them"? Do you mean that Nissan didn't immediately
decide to pack up and move to Europe (with whom Japan has a trade
agreement)? This was certainly a possibility. I can't see Nissan ever
saying "Whoopee! Brexit will present us with a whole range of
opportunities that we never had when the UK was in the EU".
Post by Spike
You, on the other hand, are stuck in
the past, so I can see why you might not understand the position of the
people that you dismissed so lightly.
I can't see much benefit to Sunderland - except that it might become one
of the much-vaunted 'freeports'. However, when we were in the EU, as far
as the EU was concerned weren't all our ports 'freeports'?
No. DYOR.
--
Spike
Ian Jackson
2021-05-28 19:10:31 UTC
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Post by Pamela
I wouldn't worry yourself about the EU's arrangements. Instead ask what
tangible benefit has Brexit brought the man in the street?
The only thing I've noticed are higher prices, shortages of some goods
and increased bureaucracy when travelling abroad or sending goods.
Oh and complaints from fishermen and farmers.
Why isn't Boris building new hospitals with all that lovely wonga he
mentioned on the side of the bus?
Most of the predicted Brexit Bonus Benefits were never realistically
going to happen - and because of economic consequences of the Covid-19
virus, even those that might possibly have happened are unlikely to
happen either. Conveniently, most of the effects of the Brexit cock-up
can now be blamed on the virus.
You and Pamela should get a room, preferably one with a radio. You could
then listen to the business news. This paints a completely different
picture than the one you tirelessly regurgitate. As it is, you seem like
two old bag-ladies discussing long-past politics while the world powers on.
This evening, I heard on LBC that some things are certainly not going
too well. The BBC is also carrying the news.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57282379
"British exports worth billions of pounds have faced tariffs on trade
with the EU since Brexit, according to an analysis of official EU
statistics.
Despite the tariff-free deal agreed with the EU, a study by the
University of Sussex found up to £3.5bn of British exports had taxes
applied."
[BTW, how are our fishing industry and the blessed cheesemakers doing
these days. Have they got their teething problems sorted out yet?]
--
Ian
Spike
2021-05-31 16:07:02 UTC
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I wouldn't worry yourself about the EU's arrangements. Instead ask what
tangible benefit has Brexit brought the man in the street?
The only thing I've noticed are higher prices, shortages of some goods
and increased bureaucracy when travelling abroad or sending goods.
Oh and complaints from fishermen and farmers.
Why isn't Boris building new hospitals with all that lovely wonga he
mentioned on the side of the bus?
Most of the predicted Brexit Bonus Benefits were never realistically
going to happen - and because of economic consequences of the Covid-19
virus, even those that might possibly have happened are unlikely to
happen either. Conveniently, most of the effects of the Brexit cock-up
can now be blamed on the virus.
You and Pamela should get a room, preferably one with a radio. You could
then listen to the business news. This paints a completely different
picture than the one you tirelessly regurgitate. As it is, you seem like
two old bag-ladies discussing long-past politics while the world powers on.
This evening, I heard on LBC that some things are certainly not going
too well. The BBC is also carrying the news.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57282379
"British exports worth billions of pounds have faced tariffs on trade
with the EU since Brexit, according to an analysis of official EU
statistics.
Despite the tariff-free deal agreed with the EU, a study by the
University of Sussex found up to �3.5bn of British exports had taxes
applied."
From the article you referenced, it isn't hard to find the culprits:

"The European Commission confirmed that according to data collected by
its customs authorities, €2.5bn of eligible UK exports did not use the
zero-tariff agreement.

"Tariff-free trade is only tariff-free if firms not only meet the rules
of origin criteria, but also can deal with the necessary bureaucracy and
paperwork," said Prof Michael Gasiorek, trade expert at the University
of Sussex.

"What this analysis shows is that in the first quarter, around 27% of
trade that could have entered tariff-free did not do so."
Post by Ian Jackson
[BTW, how are our fishing industry and the blessed cheesemakers doing
these days. Have they got their teething problems sorted out yet?]
Hasn't LBC told you?
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Spike
Ian Jackson
2021-05-31 19:18:52 UTC
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I wouldn't worry yourself about the EU's arrangements. Instead ask what
tangible benefit has Brexit brought the man in the street?
The only thing I've noticed are higher prices, shortages of some goods
and increased bureaucracy when travelling abroad or sending goods.
Oh and complaints from fishermen and farmers.
Why isn't Boris building new hospitals with all that lovely wonga he
mentioned on the side of the bus?
Most of the predicted Brexit Bonus Benefits were never realistically
going to happen - and because of economic consequences of the Covid-19
virus, even those that might possibly have happened are unlikely to
happen either. Conveniently, most of the effects of the Brexit cock-up
can now be blamed on the virus.
You and Pamela should get a room, preferably one with a radio. You could
then listen to the business news. This paints a completely different
picture than the one you tirelessly regurgitate. As it is, you seem like
two old bag-ladies discussing long-past politics while the world powers on.
This evening, I heard on LBC that some things are certainly not going
too well. The BBC is also carrying the news.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57282379
"British exports worth billions of pounds have faced tariffs on trade
with the EU since Brexit, according to an analysis of official EU
statistics.
Despite the tariff-free deal agreed with the EU, a study by the
University of Sussex found up to ?3.5bn of British exports had taxes
applied."
"The European Commission confirmed that according to data collected by
its customs authorities, €2.5bn of eligible UK exports did not use the
zero-tariff agreement.
"Tariff-free trade is only tariff-free if firms not only meet the rules
of origin criteria, but also can deal with the necessary bureaucracy and
paperwork," said Prof Michael Gasiorek, trade expert at the University
of Sussex.
"What this analysis shows is that in the first quarter, around 27% of
trade that could have entered tariff-free did not do so."
The reason that some of the 27% of our exports were subjected to EU
tariffs was that the exporters decided that allowing tariffs to be
imposed was cheaper than doing all the required bureaucracy.
Post by Spike
Post by Ian Jackson
[BTW, how are our fishing industry and the blessed cheesemakers doing
these days. Have they got their teething problems sorted out yet?]
Hasn't LBC told you?
Stop being so silly.

Just FYI, there WAS a bit of Good Brexit News in today's Guardian:
<https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/31/france-italy-germany-br
exit-deals-uk>
so maybe things are not quite so absolutely totally dire as some of the
Brexit News suggests.
--
Ian
Ian Jackson
2021-06-01 13:43:15 UTC
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Post by Spike
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Spike
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Post by Pamela
I wouldn't worry yourself about the EU's arrangements. Instead ask what
tangible benefit has Brexit brought the man in the street?
The only thing I've noticed are higher prices, shortages of some goods
and increased bureaucracy when travelling abroad or sending goods.
Oh and complaints from fishermen and farmers.
Why isn't Boris building new hospitals with all that lovely wonga he
mentioned on the side of the bus?
Most of the predicted Brexit Bonus Benefits were never realistically
going to happen - and because of economic consequences of the Covid-19
virus, even those that might possibly have happened are unlikely to
happen either. Conveniently, most of the effects of the Brexit cock-up
can now be blamed on the virus.
You and Pamela should get a room, preferably one with a radio. You could
then listen to the business news. This paints a completely different
picture than the one you tirelessly regurgitate. As it is, you seem like
two old bag-ladies discussing long-past politics while the world powers on.
This evening, I heard on LBC that some things are certainly not going
too well. The BBC is also carrying the news.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57282379
"British exports worth billions of pounds have faced tariffs on trade
with the EU since Brexit, according to an analysis of official EU
statistics.
Despite the tariff-free deal agreed with the EU, a study by the
University of Sussex found up to ?3.5bn of British exports had taxes
applied."
"The European Commission confirmed that according to data collected by
its customs authorities, €2.5bn of eligible UK exports did not use the
zero-tariff agreement.
"Tariff-free trade is only tariff-free if firms not only meet the rules
of origin criteria, but also can deal with the necessary bureaucracy and
paperwork," said Prof Michael Gasiorek, trade expert at the University
of Sussex.
"What this analysis shows is that in the first quarter, around 27% of
trade that could have entered tariff-free did not do so."
The reason that some of the 27% of our exports were subjected to EU
tariffs was that the exporters decided that allowing tariffs to be
imposed was cheaper than doing all the required bureaucracy.
Post by Spike
Post by Ian Jackson
[BTW, how are our fishing industry and the blessed cheesemakers doing
these days. Have they got their teething problems sorted out yet?]
Hasn't LBC told you?
Stop being so silly.
<https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/31/france-italy-germany-br
exit-deals-uk>
so maybe things are not quite so absolutely totally dire as some of the
Brexit News suggests.
Here's a bit more good news that Spike might like to add to a Great
Brexit list. Heinz are bringing back (from Holland, I believe) their
manufacture of tomato and other sauces to Greater Manchester. [Not sure
if this is a transfer or an addition.]
<https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/tomato-ketchup-maker-kraft
-heinz-20715076>
Although this report says 50 new jobs, on the radio I'm sure I heard up
to 1000.

There is no indication as to whether this is as a result of Brexit or
despite it. However, lovers of tomato sauce can at least now rest easy
in the knowledge that supplies in the UK will be guaranteed.
Unfortunately, there's no such similar certainty about supplies of the
fish required to go with it.
--
Ian
Andy Walker
2021-06-01 14:41:40 UTC
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On 01/06/2021 14:43, Ian Jackson wrote:
[Ian, Pamela, Spike, Ian, Pamela, Spike, Ian, Spike, ... wrote:]
[Yadda, yadda, yadda, ....]
Post by Ian Jackson
Instead ask what tangible benefit has Brexit brought the
man in the street?
[...]
Post by Ian Jackson
Here's a bit more good news that Spike might like to add to a Great
Brexit list.
The best thing promised in the referendum was that we could
stop obsessing with the EU and get back to politics as usual. Well,
never mind. The best thing about Mrs May's government [remember
her?] was that Parliament could deliver Brexit. Well, never mind.
The best thing about the 2019 GE was that Mr Johnson's government
could Get Brexit Done, and we would get back to politics as usual.
Well, never mind.

It really is time that we stopped viewing every blip, up or
down, through the Brexit lens. It's too late. No matter what was
promised or not promised, no matter what truth or lies were told,
it's happened and we have to make the most of it. It would be at
least as fruitful to debate the origins of WW1.

FWIW, speaking as a luke-warm Remainer, I think we're well
out of it. The EU has not covered itself in glory over the years
since the referendum. But they will muddle along. So will we.
There's no point expecting anything else.
--
Andy Walker, Nottingham.
Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Peerson
Ian Jackson
2021-06-01 15:56:34 UTC
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In message <s95gv2$r3c$***@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Walker <***@cuboid.co.uk>
writes
Post by Andy Walker
[Ian, Pamela, Spike, Ian, Pamela, Spike, Ian, Spike, ... wrote:]
[Yadda, yadda, yadda, ....]
Post by Ian Jackson
Instead ask what tangible benefit has Brexit brought the
man in the street?
[...]
Post by Ian Jackson
Here's a bit more good news that Spike might like to add to a Great
Brexit list.
The best thing promised in the referendum was that we could
stop obsessing with the EU and get back to politics as usual. Well,
never mind.
I don't recall such a promise. IIRC, we were promised sunlit uplands and
unicorns - and lucrative bespoke trade deals with those parts of the
world where, although we have already been trading, we have been obliged
to follow the EU club rules.
Post by Andy Walker
The best thing about Mrs May's government [remember
her?] was that Parliament could deliver Brexit. Well, never mind.
Prior to the referendum she was against Brexit, and publicly declared
that it was a Bad Thing. After the referendum, she decided that she was
the Best One to deliver Brexit (although, in her heart of hearts, I
suspect she still thought that it was a Bad Thing). Still, a job's a job
(especially when it's the Top Job) - and someone had to do it.
Post by Andy Walker
The best thing about the 2019 GE was that Mr Johnson's government
could Get Brexit Done,
Yes - he did a great job, and achieved an award-winning last-minute
agreement with the EU. Unfortunately, it seems to have left the fishing
industry, the cheesemakers - and possibly the farmers - rather well
shafted.
Post by Andy Walker
and we would get back to politics as usual.
Well, never mind.
I'm sure the above-mentioned trades would love to get back to 'politics
as usual' - but that's probably rather difficult when it looks like the
present politics is putting you out of business. But - never mind!
Post by Andy Walker
It really is time that we stopped viewing every blip, up or
down, through the Brexit lens. It's too late. No matter what was
promised or not promised, no matter what truth or lies were told,
it's happened and we have to make the most of it.
"Having to make the most of it" (in the sense of 'having to put up with
it') is usually not what people want to have to do. [Brexiteers might
interpret it as "Seize the fantastic opportunities that Brexit offers",
but I'm sure that's not what you meant!]
Post by Andy Walker
It would be at
least as fruitful to debate the origins of WW1.
As we are arguably still suffering some of the effects of WW1, the
benefits of a bit of occasional ongoing analysis should not be dismissed
too lightly.
Post by Andy Walker
FWIW, speaking as a luke-warm Remainer, I think we're well
out of it. The EU has not covered itself in glory over the years
since the referendum.
Here, to a certain extent, I have to agree with you. At the moment, they
seem to have some of the same sort of plonkers in charge as we do.
Post by Andy Walker
But they will muddle along. So will we.
There's no point expecting anything else.
Being generous, it's possible that they are missing the UK's wise
advice, and the benefit of our guiding hand.
--
Ian
Andy Walker
2021-06-01 22:39:17 UTC
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On 01/06/2021 16:56, Ian Jackson wrote:
[I wrote:]
Post by Ian Jackson
      The best thing promised in the referendum was that we could
stop obsessing with the EU and get back to politics as usual.  Well,
never mind.
I don't recall such a promise.
What else, after years of debate, were we to make of "The EU
referendum is a once in a generation decision." combined with "This
is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide."?
There's no point obsessing about an implemented decision that will
not be re-visited for "a generation" [which seems to mean less than
a decade in Scotland, but that's another matter].
Post by Ian Jackson
IIRC, we were promised sunlit uplands
and unicorns [...].
I don't recall such a promise, to coin a phrase. Perhaps
some of the more fanatical Remainers have been exaggerating?
Post by Ian Jackson
The best thing about Mrs May's government [remember
her?] was that Parliament could deliver Brexit.  Well, never mind.
Prior to the referendum she was against Brexit, and publicly declared
that it was a Bad Thing. After the referendum, she decided that she
was the Best One to deliver Brexit (although, in her heart of hearts,
I suspect she still thought that it was a Bad Thing). Still, a job's
a job (especially when it's the Top Job) - and someone had to do it.
You may well be right, but sadly Parliament was not up to
the job.
Post by Ian Jackson
The best thing about the 2019 GE was that Mr Johnson's government
could Get Brexit Done,
Yes - he did a great job, and achieved an award-winning last-minute
agreement with the EU. Unfortunately, it seems to have left the
fishing industry, the cheesemakers - and possibly the farmers -
rather well shafted.
It remains to be seen how this will all pan out. But it is
[for the time being] the result of a rather unpleasant negotiation,
and largely out of the UK's [and the Government's] control. It has
not been the EU's finest hour.
Post by Ian Jackson
and we would get back to politics as usual.
Well, never mind.
I'm sure the above-mentioned trades would love to get back to
'politics as usual' - but that's probably rather difficult when it
looks like the present politics is putting you out of business. But -
never mind!
Debating the future of cheese/fish/lamb /is/ politics as
usual. Debating an alternative reality in which Remain won, and
"sunlit uplands and unicorns" abound, is fantasy-land.
Post by Ian Jackson
      It really is time that we stopped viewing every blip, up or
down, through the Brexit lens.  It's too late.  No matter what was
promised or not promised, no matter what truth or lies were told,
it's happened and we have to make the most of it.
"Having to make the most of it" (in the sense of 'having to put up
with it') is usually not what people want to have to do. [Brexiteers
might interpret it as "Seize the fantastic opportunities that Brexit
offers", but I'm sure that's not what you meant!]
I'm not a Brexiteer, but your sureness is at least partly
misplaced. Leave out "fantastic" [tho' I expect the PM would leave
it in], and I would certainly support that interpretation. Having
to put up with it is equally the case. The UK has changed, and in
particular our relationship with our nearest neighbours has changed.
We can sit around fantasising about stopping Brexit, or move on.
Post by Ian Jackson
 It would be at
least as fruitful to debate the origins of WW1.
As we are arguably still suffering some of the effects of WW1, the
benefits of a bit of occasional ongoing analysis should not be
dismissed too lightly.
I'm perfectly happy that historians should continue to rake
over the past; that's their job. Nor should we forget the past,
for well-known reasons. But we need to get on with our lives, not
obsess over what might have been.
--
Andy Walker, Nottingham.
Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Peerson
Incubus
2021-06-03 10:02:34 UTC
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Post by Andy Walker
[Ian, Pamela, Spike, Ian, Pamela, Spike, Ian, Spike, ... wrote:]
[Yadda, yadda, yadda, ....]
Post by Ian Jackson
Instead ask what tangible benefit has Brexit brought the
man in the street?
[...]
Post by Ian Jackson
Here's a bit more good news that Spike might like to add to a Great
Brexit list.
The best thing promised in the referendum was that we could
stop obsessing with the EU and get back to politics as usual. Well,
never mind. The best thing about Mrs May's government [remember
her?] was that Parliament could deliver Brexit. Well, never mind.
The best thing about the 2019 GE was that Mr Johnson's government
could Get Brexit Done, and we would get back to politics as usual.
Well, never mind.
It really is time that we stopped viewing every blip, up or
down, through the Brexit lens. It's too late. No matter what was
promised or not promised, no matter what truth or lies were told,
it's happened and we have to make the most of it. It would be at
least as fruitful to debate the origins of WW1.
FWIW, speaking as a luke-warm Remainer, I think we're well
out of it. The EU has not covered itself in glory over the years
since the referendum. But they will muddle along. So will we.
There's no point expecting anything else.
Even ardent Remainers have become pro Leave due to recent behaviour from the
bloc. That really just leaves fanatical Rejoiners who, from my observations,
really don't seem to like Britain very much.

Time and plenty of hindsight will indicate who was right, and even then people
will still argue over it.
Pamela
2021-06-04 09:59:26 UTC
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Post by Incubus
On 01/06/2021 14:43, Ian Jackson wrote: [Ian, Pamela, Spike, Ian,
Pamela, Spike, Ian, Spike, ... wrote:] [Yadda, yadda, yadda, ....]
Post by Ian Jackson
Instead ask what tangible benefit has Brexit brought the
man in the street?
[...]
Post by Ian Jackson
Here's a bit more good news that Spike might like to add to a
Great Brexit list.
The best thing promised in the referendum was that we could
stop obsessing with the EU and get back to politics as usual. Well,
never mind. The best thing about Mrs May's government [remember
her?] was that Parliament could deliver Brexit. Well, never mind.
The best thing about the 2019 GE was that Mr Johnson's government
could Get Brexit Done, and we would get back to politics as usual.
Well, never mind.
It really is time that we stopped viewing every blip, up or
down, through the Brexit lens. It's too late. No matter what was
promised or not promised, no matter what truth or lies were told,
it's happened and we have to make the most of it. It would be at
least as fruitful to debate the origins of WW1.
FWIW, speaking as a luke-warm Remainer, I think we're well
out of it. The EU has not covered itself in glory over the years
since the referendum. But they will muddle along. So will we.
There's no point expecting anything else.
Even ardent Remainers have become pro Leave due to recent behaviour
from the bloc.
The EU has behaved impeccably. On the other hand, Boris has been
trying to backtrack on the same proposals he submitted. I don't know
any Remainer who has become a Leaver.
Post by Incubus
That really just leaves fanatical Rejoiners who, from my
observations, really don't seem to like Britain very much.
Time and plenty of hindsight will indicate who was right, and even
then people will still argue over it.
Brexiteers are destroying Britain because they let their hatred and
prejudice stand in the way of a true appreciation of what we got as
a member of the EU. Ask fishermen, farmers, small businesses, the
Northern Irish, large companies with labour shortages, financial
services, etc.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Pamela
2021-06-01 16:01:11 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
<https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/31/france-
italy-germany-br exit-deals-uk>
so maybe things are not quite so absolutely totally dire as some of
the Brexit News suggests.
Here's a bit more good news that Spike might like to add to a Great
Brexit list. Heinz are bringing back (from Holland, I believe) their
manufacture of tomato and other sauces to Greater Manchester. [Not
sure if this is a transfer or an addition.]
<https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/tomato-ketchup-
maker-kraft -heinz-20715076>
Although this report says 50 new jobs, on the radio I'm sure I heard
up to 1000.
There is no indication as to whether this is as a result of Brexit
or despite it. However, lovers of tomato sauce can at least now rest
easy in the knowledge that supplies in the UK will be guaranteed.
Unfortunately, there's no such similar certainty about supplies of
the fish required to go with it.
Brexit means we can carry on eating foreign-owned tomato sauce. Instead
of European workers getting exploited and making profts for an American
multinational, instead we will soon be doing it.

Brexit is, er, brilliant.
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