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UK motorway gantries now flashing "Leaving on October 31" signs
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MM
2019-09-27 15:23:31 UTC
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Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."

The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.

Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)

So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.

MM
A. Filip
2019-09-27 15:35:51 UTC
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Post by MM
Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.
What EU is ready to change in "the deal"? IMHO (almost) *NOTHING*.
Yet Another Extensions serves no purpose. It merely extends
_shit time_ of uncertainty.

IMHO BJ (and his government) may refuse to send "UK wants extensions"
letter *IF* vote of (no) confidence is conducted in Parliament next day
after such _official_ announcement.
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Grik-bastardo®™
2019-09-27 16:16:42 UTC
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Post by MM
Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.
Why shouldn't we leave then? That is the default position (a REAL
one, compared to your advisory referendum default). The only hope for
you mainland-worshipping Remoaners is that all the mainland countries
approve a delay, in which case we will have the same exact problem on
31st January. Sooner or later, one of the mainland countries will
veto any further delays. It's inevitable.
Stephen Cole
2019-09-29 06:16:08 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 09:16:42 -0700, Grik-bastardo®™
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Post by MM
Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.
Why shouldn't we leave then? That is the default position (a REAL
one, compared to your advisory referendum default). The only hope for
you mainland-worshipping Remoaners is that all the mainland countries
approve a delay, in which case we will have the same exact problem on
31st January. Sooner or later, one of the mainland countries will
veto any further delays. It's inevitable.
It's not inevitable at all.
It's totally inevitable. All it takes is one shitty little mainland
country to say NO and the Brexit extension is FUCKED.
When that does happen, the British government will simply revoke A50.
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Rod Speed
2019-09-29 06:29:33 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 09:16:42 -0700, Grik-bastardo®™
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Post by MM
Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.
Why shouldn't we leave then? That is the default position (a REAL
one, compared to your advisory referendum default). The only hope for
you mainland-worshipping Remoaners is that all the mainland countries
approve a delay, in which case we will have the same exact problem on
31st January. Sooner or later, one of the mainland countries will
veto any further delays. It's inevitable.
It's not inevitable at all.
It's totally inevitable. All it takes is one shitty little mainland
country to say NO and the Brexit extension is FUCKED.
When that does happen, the British government will simply revoke A50.
Not while ever Boris is PM they wont.
Stephen Cole
2019-09-29 07:08:13 UTC
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Post by MM
Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.
Why shouldn't we leave then? That is the default position (a REAL
one, compared to your advisory referendum default). The only hope for
you mainland-worshipping Remoaners is that all the mainland countries
approve a delay, in which case we will have the same exact problem on
31st January. Sooner or later, one of the mainland countries will
veto any further delays. It's inevitable.
It's not inevitable at all.
It's totally inevitable. All it takes is one shitty little mainland
country to say NO and the Brexit extension is FUCKED.
When that does happen, the British government will simply revoke A50.
Not while ever Boris is PM they wont.
Boris won’t be PM by Christmas.
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Rod Speed
2019-09-29 08:40:05 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 09:16:42 -0700, Grik-bastardo®™
Post by Grik-bastardo®™
Post by MM
Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.
Why shouldn't we leave then? That is the default position (a REAL
one, compared to your advisory referendum default). The only hope for
you mainland-worshipping Remoaners is that all the mainland countries
approve a delay, in which case we will have the same exact problem on
31st January. Sooner or later, one of the mainland countries will
veto any further delays. It's inevitable.
It's not inevitable at all.
It's totally inevitable. All it takes is one shitty little mainland
country to say NO and the Brexit extension is FUCKED.
When that does happen, the British government will simply revoke A50.
Not while ever Boris is PM they wont.
Boris won’t be PM by Christmas.
Bet he is, and its irrelevant who the PM is by Xmas if the EU doesn’t agree
to an
extension, revoking article 50 will have to be done before that if the EU
doesn’t.
Peeler
2019-09-29 10:20:20 UTC
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Brian Gaff
2019-09-29 08:06:53 UTC
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The point though is, even if we think we leave on that date, its a bit like
the Village in The film The Prisoner, you actually never leave, or maybe a
better analogy is Hotel California, though that is a coming of age and
realisation of your situation song.

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Post by Stephen Cole
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Post by MM
Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.
Why shouldn't we leave then? That is the default position (a REAL
one, compared to your advisory referendum default). The only hope for
you mainland-worshipping Remoaners is that all the mainland countries
approve a delay, in which case we will have the same exact problem on
31st January. Sooner or later, one of the mainland countries will
veto any further delays. It's inevitable.
It's not inevitable at all.
It's totally inevitable. All it takes is one shitty little mainland
country to say NO and the Brexit extension is FUCKED.
When that does happen, the British government will simply revoke A50.
Not while ever Boris is PM they wont.
Peeler
2019-09-29 08:34:38 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
When that does happen, the British government will simply revoke A50.
Not
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Keema's Nan
2019-09-29 07:34:23 UTC
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Post by MM
Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.
Why shouldn't we leave then? That is the default position (a REAL
one, compared to your advisory referendum default). The only hope for
you mainland-worshipping Remoaners is that all the mainland countries
approve a delay, in which case we will have the same exact problem on
31st January. Sooner or later, one of the mainland countries will
veto any further delays. It's inevitable.
It's not inevitable at all.
It's totally inevitable. All it takes is one shitty little mainland
country to say NO and the Brexit extension is FUCKED.
When that does happen, the British government will simply revoke A50.
Except that Britain does not have a government. It has a bunch of overpaid
self serving rabble rousers, but they are not governing - precisely the
opposite, in fact and the chance of revoking A50 (when a majority of almost
400 voted to give May the green light to invoke it) is nil.

Britain will have a government after a general election; but as the rabble
rousers know, it will be a Tory government with a three figure majority.
Brian Gaff
2019-09-29 08:11:38 UTC
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In your dreams. I think that the only way that will happen is if most of the
rest stay home on poling day.
The whole point has been missed and as many said at the time, regardless of
you position on leave or stay, the referendum was flawed in so many ways. No
threshold turn out , no majority based on the actual voters who turned out,
then both sides campaigns blatantly lying or over simplifying the problem of
leaving
Did nobody foresee what everyone else did here?
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Post by Stephen Cole
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 09:16:42 -0700, Grik-bastardo®T
Post by MM
Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.
Why shouldn't we leave then? That is the default position (a REAL
one, compared to your advisory referendum default). The only hope for
you mainland-worshipping Remoaners is that all the mainland countries
approve a delay, in which case we will have the same exact problem on
31st January. Sooner or later, one of the mainland countries will
veto any further delays. It's inevitable.
It's not inevitable at all.
It's totally inevitable. All it takes is one shitty little mainland
country to say NO and the Brexit extension is FUCKED.
When that does happen, the British government will simply revoke A50.
Except that Britain does not have a government. It has a bunch of overpaid
self serving rabble rousers, but they are not governing - precisely the
opposite, in fact and the chance of revoking A50 (when a majority of almost
400 voted to give May the green light to invoke it) is nil.
Britain will have a government after a general election; but as the rabble
rousers know, it will be a Tory government with a three figure majority.
Keema's Nan
2019-09-29 09:04:35 UTC
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In your dreams.
Not at all.

Based on the latest polling figures of Con 37% Lab 25% LD 16% Brexit 13%

The new 600 seat parliament (assuming that is adopted) would have 367 Tories
to 157 Labour and 19 LDs.

The old 650 seat parliament would be 386 Tory, 181 Labour and 26 LDs.
Post by Brian Gaff
I think that the only way that will happen is if most of the
rest stay home on poling day.
The whole point has been missed and as many said at the time, regardless of
you position on leave or stay, the referendum was flawed in so many ways. No
threshold turn out , no majority based on the actual voters who turned out,
then both sides campaigns blatantly lying or over simplifying the problem of
leaving
Did nobody foresee what everyone else did here?
Brian
You just can’t handle the truth.

If Labour had even a slim chance of getting the most seats, Corbyn would have
fallen over himself to have called an election weeks ago.

At least Corbyn knows the truth, although the snowflakes will continue to
believe his lies about why he can’t call an election at the moment however
much he wants to.
Rod Speed
2019-09-29 10:02:07 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
In your dreams.
Not at all.
Based on the latest polling figures of Con 37% Lab 25% LD 16% Brexit 13%
Even you should have noticed that UKIP got something like 10%
in the polls and didn’t manage even a single MP, just the one
refugee from the Torys whose constituency would have re-elected
him even if he had moved to the monster raving loony party.
Post by Keema's Nan
The new 600 seat parliament (assuming that is adopted)
would have 367 Tories to 157 Labour and 19 LDs.
And when the general election happens, even you will
discover that the numbers are actually nothing like that.
Post by Keema's Nan
The old 650 seat parliament would be 386 Tory, 181 Labour and 26 LDs.
Pity about the polls before that particular general election.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Brian Gaff
I think that the only way that will happen is if most of the
rest stay home on poling day.
The whole point has been missed and as many said at the time, regardless of
you position on leave or stay, the referendum was flawed in so many ways. No
threshold turn out , no majority based on the actual voters who turned out,
then both sides campaigns blatantly lying or over simplifying the problem of
leaving
Did nobody foresee what everyone else did here?
You just can’t handle the truth.
You wouldn’t know what the truth was if it bit you on your lard arse.
Post by Keema's Nan
If Labour had even a slim chance of getting the most seats, Corbyn
would have fallen over himself to have called an election weeks ago.
Not necessarily if he believes the result would be better if he waited.
Post by Keema's Nan
At least Corbyn knows the truth, although the snowflakes
will continue to believe his lies about why he can’t call an
election at the moment however much he wants to.
Keema's Nan
2019-09-29 10:21:08 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
In your dreams.
Not at all.
Based on the latest polling figures of Con 37% Lab 25% LD 16% Brexit 13%
Even you should have noticed that UKIP got something like 10%
in the polls and didn’t manage even a single MP, just the one
refugee from the Torys whose constituency would have re-elected
him even if he had moved to the monster raving loony party.
Post by Keema's Nan
The new 600 seat parliament (assuming that is adopted)
would have 367 Tories to 157 Labour and 19 LDs.
And when the general election happens, even you will
discover that the numbers are actually nothing like that.
Maybe, but a 30% swing to Labour is just as unlikely and especially so when
the LDs are splitting the remain vote.

The Tories could cope easily with a majority of 10-15.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
The old 650 seat parliament would be 386 Tory, 181 Labour and 26 LDs.
Pity about the polls before that particular general election.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Brian Gaff
I think that the only way that will happen is if most of the
rest stay home on poling day.
The whole point has been missed and as many said at the time, regardless of
you position on leave or stay, the referendum was flawed in so many ways. No
threshold turn out , no majority based on the actual voters who turned out,
then both sides campaigns blatantly lying or over simplifying the problem of
leaving
Did nobody foresee what everyone else did here?
You just can’t handle the truth.
You wouldn’t know what the truth was if it bit you on your lard arse.
Ad hominems so quickly? You can’t have much of a valid argument.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
If Labour had even a slim chance of getting the most seats, Corbyn
would have fallen over himself to have called an election weeks ago.
Not necessarily if he believes the result would be better if he waited.
If he believes that, then he needs to consider being sectioned.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
At least Corbyn knows the truth, although the snowflakes
will continue to believe his lies about why he can’t call an
election at the moment however much he wants to.
Rod Speed
2019-09-29 10:28:58 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
In your dreams.
Not at all.
Based on the latest polling figures of Con 37% Lab 25% LD 16% Brexit 13%
Even you should have noticed that UKIP got something like 10%
in the polls and didn’t manage even a single MP, just the one
refugee from the Torys whose constituency would have re-elected
him even if he had moved to the monster raving loony party.
Post by Keema's Nan
The new 600 seat parliament (assuming that is adopted)
would have 367 Tories to 157 Labour and 19 LDs.
And when the general election happens, even you will
discover that the numbers are actually nothing like that.
Maybe,
No maybe about it.
Post by Keema's Nan
but a 30% swing to Labour is just as unlikely
Completely impossible, actually.
Post by Keema's Nan
and especially so when the LDs are splitting the remain vote.
I doubt too many Labour voters would even consider the LDs.
Post by Keema's Nan
The Tories could cope easily with a majority of 10-15.
Yes, that’s certainly quite possible when a no deal brexit works fine.

But not a 3 digit majority with half the county not wanting to leave the EU.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
The old 650 seat parliament would be 386 Tory, 181 Labour and 26 LDs.
Pity about the polls before that particular general election.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Brian Gaff
I think that the only way that will happen is if most of the
rest stay home on poling day.
The whole point has been missed and as many said at the time,
regardless
of
you position on leave or stay, the referendum was flawed in so many
ways.
No
threshold turn out , no majority based on the actual voters who
turned
out,
then both sides campaigns blatantly lying or over simplifying the
problem
of
leaving
Did nobody foresee what everyone else did here?
You just can’t handle the truth.
You wouldn’t know what the truth was if it bit you on your lard arse.
Ad hominems so quickly?
That’s not ad hominem, it’s a statement of fact.

Polls arent anything even remotely like anything like the truth.
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
If Labour had even a slim chance of getting the most seats, Corbyn
would have fallen over himself to have called an election weeks ago.
Not necessarily if he believes the result would be better if he waited.
If he believes that, then he needs to consider being sectioned.
Not necessarily if he can force no brexit at all given that something
like half the country doesn’t want the UK to leave. If he can achieve
that, it would improve his general election prospects.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
At least Corbyn knows the truth, although the snowflakes
will continue to believe his lies about why he can’t call an
election at the moment however much he wants to.
Peeler
2019-09-29 10:45:47 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
No maybe about it.
PHEW!!! Must you be gratified now! You actually got some feedback, you
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Keema's Nan
2019-09-29 11:19:16 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
In your dreams.
Not at all.
Based on the latest polling figures of Con 37% Lab 25% LD 16% Brexit 13%
Even you should have noticed that UKIP got something like 10%
in the polls and didn’t manage even a single MP, just the one
refugee from the Torys whose constituency would have re-elected
him even if he had moved to the monster raving loony party.
Post by Keema's Nan
The new 600 seat parliament (assuming that is adopted)
would have 367 Tories to 157 Labour and 19 LDs.
And when the general election happens, even you will
discover that the numbers are actually nothing like that.
Maybe,
No maybe about it.
Post by Keema's Nan
but a 30% swing to Labour is just as unlikely
Completely impossible, actually.
In which case, there is zero chance of a Labour majority.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
and especially so when the LDs are splitting the remain vote.
I doubt too many Labour voters would even consider the LDs.
And how do you explain the rapid drop in the Labour poll figure and an
equally rapid rise in the LD poll percentage?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
The Tories could cope easily with a majority of 10-15.
Yes, that’s certainly quite possible when a no deal brexit works fine.
But not a 3 digit majority with half the county not wanting to leave the EU..
Don’t shoot the messenger. I am only quoting the prediction figures.

A few % either way makes a difference between a Tory majority of 50 and over
100; neither of which are going to worry the Tories.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
The old 650 seat parliament would be 386 Tory, 181 Labour and 26 LDs.
Pity about the polls before that particular general election.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Brian Gaff
I think that the only way that will happen is if most of the
rest stay home on poling day.
The whole point has been missed and as many said at the time,
regardless
of
you position on leave or stay, the referendum was flawed in so many
ways.
No
threshold turn out , no majority based on the actual voters who
turned
out,
then both sides campaigns blatantly lying or over simplifying the
problem
of
leaving
Did nobody foresee what everyone else did here?
You just can’t handle the truth.
You wouldn’t know what the truth was if it bit you on your lard arse.
Ad hominems so quickly?
That’s not ad hominem, it’s a statement of fact.
Polls arent anything even remotely like anything like the truth.
They are better than nothing, and far better than personal guesswork
masquerading as the truth.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
If Labour had even a slim chance of getting the most seats, Corbyn
would have fallen over himself to have called an election weeks ago.
Not necessarily if he believes the result would be better if he waited.
If he believes that, then he needs to consider being sectioned.
Not necessarily if he can force no brexit at all given that something
like half the country doesn’t want the UK to leave. If he can achieve
that, it would improve his general election prospects.
He can’t ‘force’ a no Brexit as it is an EU requirement of A50 once the
negotiating period has come to an end, unless there is an agreed extension -
and Boris is not agreed.

Corbyn would have to unseat the PM to get anywhere near that scenario - which
would be hardly a democratic way to proceed, given that Boris has more HoC
seats than he does.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
At least Corbyn knows the truth, although the snowflakes
will continue to believe his lies about why he can’t call an
election at the moment however much he wants to.
Rod Speed
2019-09-29 18:53:37 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
In your dreams.
Not at all.
Based on the latest polling figures of Con 37% Lab 25% LD 16%
Brexit
13%
Even you should have noticed that UKIP got something like 10%
in the polls and didn’t manage even a single MP, just the one
refugee from the Torys whose constituency would have re-elected
him even if he had moved to the monster raving loony party.
Post by Keema's Nan
The new 600 seat parliament (assuming that is adopted)
would have 367 Tories to 157 Labour and 19 LDs.
And when the general election happens, even you will
discover that the numbers are actually nothing like that.
Maybe,
No maybe about it.
Post by Keema's Nan
but a 30% swing to Labour is just as unlikely
Completely impossible, actually.
In which case, there is zero chance of a Labour majority.
Yep, that’s always been the case since the whole of scotland
gave up on Labour and the SNP wouldn’t be seen dead in
a coalition with Labour to form govt and since that fool
Corbyn managed to end up top banana in Labour.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
and especially so when the LDs are splitting the remain vote.
I doubt too many Labour voters would even consider the LDs.
And how do you explain the rapid drop in the Labour poll figure
Those havent mostly gone to the LDs.
Post by Keema's Nan
and an equally rapid rise in the LD poll percentage?
Those have mostly not come from Labour. They are
mostly remainers who now have one party which has
said very unambiguously that they don’t want the UK
to leave the EU and will revoke Article 59 to ensure that.

They couldn’t care less what the referendum result was.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
The Tories could cope easily with a majority of 10-15.
Yes, that’s certainly quite possible when a no deal brexit works fine.
But not a 3 digit majority with half the county not wanting to leave the EU..
Don’t shoot the messenger.
I'm not shooting anyone, just pointing out that
a 3 digit majority for the Torys isnt going to happen
if they do manage to make brexit happen given that
half the country doesn’t want brexit.
Post by Keema's Nan
I am only quoting the prediction figures.
But don’t understand that you can’t take country wide
voting intention percentages and turn those into seats.
As should be obvious when you notice that while UKIP
did get over 10% in the polls before the last general
election, they didn’t even get a single MP elected,
just one refugee from the Torys whose constituency
would have re-elected him even if he had joined
the monster raving loony party instead of UKIP.

Sure, part of that is because of how the FPP system
works and the fact that UKIP voters were spread
pretty evenly around the country, but its also true
that the Torys never get the same percentage of
seats as they get in the voting intension polls.
That’s because they appeal to more outside
the major cities and so they get lots of tory
voters where they already have enough to
get the tory MP elected.

Same thing happens with Labour in reverse.
Post by Keema's Nan
A few % either way makes a difference between a Tory majority
of 50 and over 100; neither of which are going to worry the Tories.
It doesn’t work like that with so many seats
dominated by Tory voters and Labour voters.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
The old 650 seat parliament would be 386 Tory, 181 Labour and 26 LDs.
Pity about the polls before that particular general election.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Brian Gaff
I think that the only way that will happen is if most of the
rest stay home on poling day.
The whole point has been missed and as many said at the time,
regardless
of
you position on leave or stay, the referendum was flawed in so many
ways.
No
threshold turn out , no majority based on the actual voters who
turned
out,
then both sides campaigns blatantly lying or over simplifying the
problem
of
leaving
Did nobody foresee what everyone else did here?
You just can’t handle the truth.
You wouldn’t know what the truth was if it bit you on your lard arse.
Ad hominems so quickly?
That’s not ad hominem, it’s a statement of fact.
Polls arent anything even remotely like anything like the truth.
They are better than nothing,
Yes, but nothing like the truth.
Post by Keema's Nan
and far better than personal guesswork
masquerading as the truth.
Yes, but actual election results in the recent
elections is much better again than both.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
If Labour had even a slim chance of getting the most seats, Corbyn
would have fallen over himself to have called an election weeks ago.
Not necessarily if he believes the result would be better if he waited.
If he believes that, then he needs to consider being sectioned.
Not necessarily if he can force no brexit at all given that something
like half the country doesn’t want the UK to leave. If he can achieve
that, it would improve his general election prospects.
He can’t ‘force’ a no Brexit
It could happen if the EU agrees to an extension and he
manages to achieve a no confidence motion and gets
enough to agree to have him caretaker PM and have
a second referendum which sees the remainers come
out on top and then revokes Article 50 before a general
election.

Unlikely given that he actually is a leaver himself and
hardly anyone is prepared to have him as caretaker
PM, but it might be achievable with someone who isnt
planning to stand in the next general election with
some like the SNP desperate to avoid any form of brexit.
Post by Keema's Nan
as it is an EU requirement of A50 once the negotiating
period has come to an end, unless there is an agreed
extension - and Boris is not agreed.
Or if Article 50 is revoked.
Post by Keema's Nan
Corbyn would have to unseat the PM to get anywhere near that scenario
Yes, but given that a big majority of MPs are remainers,
a no confidence motion may get up if they can agree
about who the caretaker PM will be, not Corbyn.

That delay would improve Labour's prospects in
a general election that happens before a brexit
because lots of Labour voters would never vote
LD and might well be fooled by Corbyn not
saying outright that he is a leaver.
Post by Keema's Nan
- which would be hardly a democratic way to proceed,
given that Boris has more HoC seats than he does.
Sure, but Trots arent into democracy. They don’t even believe
in parliament and are only involved in parliament as a means
to an end, to get rid of parliament all together. Most Labour
voters are too stupid to have even noticed that.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
At least Corbyn knows the truth, although the snowflakes
will continue to believe his lies about why he can’t call an
election at the moment however much he wants to.
Peeler
2019-09-29 20:05:26 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
In which case, there is zero chance of a Labour majority.
Yep
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Keema's Nan
2019-09-30 08:37:45 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
In your dreams.
Not at all.
Based on the latest polling figures of Con 37% Lab 25% LD 16%
Brexit
13%
Even you should have noticed that UKIP got something like 10%
in the polls and didn’t manage even a single MP, just the one
refugee from the Torys whose constituency would have re-elected
him even if he had moved to the monster raving loony party.
Post by Keema's Nan
The new 600 seat parliament (assuming that is adopted)
would have 367 Tories to 157 Labour and 19 LDs.
And when the general election happens, even you will
discover that the numbers are actually nothing like that.
Maybe,
No maybe about it.
Post by Keema's Nan
but a 30% swing to Labour is just as unlikely
Completely impossible, actually.
In which case, there is zero chance of a Labour majority.
Yep, that’s always been the case since the whole of scotland
gave up on Labour and the SNP wouldn’t be seen dead in
a coalition with Labour to form govt and since that fool
Corbyn managed to end up top banana in Labour.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
and especially so when the LDs are splitting the remain vote.
I doubt too many Labour voters would even consider the LDs.
And how do you explain the rapid drop in the Labour poll figure
Those havent mostly gone to the LDs.
Post by Keema's Nan
and an equally rapid rise in the LD poll percentage?
Those have mostly not come from Labour. They are
mostly remainers who now have one party which has
said very unambiguously that they don’t want the UK
to leave the EU and will revoke Article 59 to ensure that.
They couldn’t care less what the referendum result was.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
The Tories could cope easily with a majority of 10-15.
Yes, that’s certainly quite possible when a no deal brexit works fine.
But not a 3 digit majority with half the county not wanting to leave the EU..
Don’t shoot the messenger.
I'm not shooting anyone, just pointing out that
a 3 digit majority for the Torys isnt going to happen
if they do manage to make brexit happen given that
half the country doesn’t want brexit.
Post by Keema's Nan
I am only quoting the prediction figures.
But don’t understand that you can’t take country wide
voting intention percentages and turn those into seats.
That’s strange, because that is precisely what I have done.

Whining about it seems rather hypocritical from someone who can state where
millions of LD voter intentions have come from without asking them.
Post by Rod Speed
As should be obvious when you notice that while UKIP
did get over 10% in the polls before the last general
election, they didn’t even get a single MP elected,
just one refugee from the Torys whose constituency
would have re-elected him even if he had joined
the monster raving loony party instead of UKIP.
Here comes the strawman....
Post by Rod Speed
Sure, part of that is because of how the FPP system
works and the fact that UKIP voters were spread
pretty evenly around the country, but its also true
that the Torys never get the same percentage of
seats as they get in the voting intension polls.
That’s because they appeal to more outside
the major cities and so they get lots of tory
voters where they already have enough to
get the tory MP elected.
Same thing happens with Labour in reverse.
Post by Keema's Nan
A few % either way makes a difference between a Tory majority
of 50 and over 100; neither of which are going to worry the Tories.
It doesn’t work like that with so many seats
dominated by Tory voters and Labour voters.
Have you never heard of marginals?
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
The old 650 seat parliament would be 386 Tory, 181 Labour and 26 LDs.
Pity about the polls before that particular general election.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Brian Gaff
I think that the only way that will happen is if most of the
rest stay home on poling day.
The whole point has been missed and as many said at the time,
regardless
of
you position on leave or stay, the referendum was flawed in so many
ways.
No
threshold turn out , no majority based on the actual voters who
turned
out,
then both sides campaigns blatantly lying or over simplifying the
problem
of
leaving
Did nobody foresee what everyone else did here?
You just can’t handle the truth.
You wouldn’t know what the truth was if it bit you on your lard arse.
Ad hominems so quickly?
That’s not ad hominem, it’s a statement of fact.
Polls arent anything even remotely like anything like the truth.
They are better than nothing,
Yes, but nothing like the truth.
Post by Keema's Nan
and far better than personal guesswork
masquerading as the truth.
Yes, but actual election results in the recent
elections is much better again than both.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
If Labour had even a slim chance of getting the most seats, Corbyn
would have fallen over himself to have called an election weeks ago.
Not necessarily if he believes the result would be better if he waited.
If he believes that, then he needs to consider being sectioned.
Not necessarily if he can force no brexit at all given that something
like half the country doesn’t want the UK to leave. If he can achieve
that, it would improve his general election prospects.
He can’t ‘force’ a no Brexit
It could happen if the EU agrees to an extension and he
manages to achieve a no confidence motion and gets
enough to agree to have him caretaker PM and have
a second referendum which sees the remainers come
out on top and then revokes Article 50 before a general
election.
Ifs and buts. Are all your views based on hypothetical questions?

You are employed by the BBC, and I claim my £50.
Post by Rod Speed
Unlikely given that he actually is a leaver himself and
hardly anyone is prepared to have him as caretaker
PM, but it might be achievable with someone who isnt
planning to stand in the next general election with
some like the SNP desperate to avoid any form of brexit.
Post by Keema's Nan
as it is an EU requirement of A50 once the negotiating
period has come to an end, unless there is an agreed
extension - and Boris is not agreed.
Or if Article 50 is revoked.
Post by Keema's Nan
Corbyn would have to unseat the PM to get anywhere near that scenario
Yes,
Well at least we agree on something.
Post by Rod Speed
but given that a big majority of MPs are remainers,
a no confidence motion may get up if they can agree
about who the caretaker PM will be, not Corbyn.
Ifs and buts again.
Post by Rod Speed
That delay would improve Labour's prospects in
a general election that happens before a brexit
because lots of Labour voters would never vote
LD and might well be fooled by Corbyn not
saying outright that he is a leaver.
Post by Keema's Nan
- which would be hardly a democratic way to proceed,
given that Boris has more HoC seats than he does.
Sure, but Trots arent into democracy. They don’t even believe
in parliament and are only involved in parliament as a means
to an end, to get rid of parliament all together. Most Labour
voters are too stupid to have even noticed that.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
At least Corbyn knows the truth, although the snowflakes
will continue to believe his lies about why he can’t call an
election at the moment however much he wants to.
You seem not to have factored in the effect of a meteor strike, in your
hypothesis-dominated world.
Rod Speed
2019-09-30 08:51:10 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
In your dreams.
Not at all.
Based on the latest polling figures of Con 37% Lab 25% LD 16%
Brexit
13%
Even you should have noticed that UKIP got something like 10%
in the polls and didn’t manage even a single MP, just the one
refugee from the Torys whose constituency would have re-elected
him even if he had moved to the monster raving loony party.
Post by Keema's Nan
The new 600 seat parliament (assuming that is adopted)
would have 367 Tories to 157 Labour and 19 LDs.
And when the general election happens, even you will
discover that the numbers are actually nothing like that.
Maybe,
No maybe about it.
Post by Keema's Nan
but a 30% swing to Labour is just as unlikely
Completely impossible, actually.
In which case, there is zero chance of a Labour majority.
Yep, that’s always been the case since the whole of scotland
gave up on Labour and the SNP wouldn’t be seen dead in
a coalition with Labour to form govt and since that fool
Corbyn managed to end up top banana in Labour.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
and especially so when the LDs are splitting the remain vote.
I doubt too many Labour voters would even consider the LDs.
And how do you explain the rapid drop in the Labour poll figure
Those havent mostly gone to the LDs.
Post by Keema's Nan
and an equally rapid rise in the LD poll percentage?
Those have mostly not come from Labour. They are
mostly remainers who now have one party which has
said very unambiguously that they don’t want the UK
to leave the EU and will revoke Article 59 to ensure that.
They couldn’t care less what the referendum result was.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
The Tories could cope easily with a majority of 10-15.
Yes, that’s certainly quite possible when a no deal brexit works fine.
But not a 3 digit majority with half the county not wanting to leave
the
EU..
Don’t shoot the messenger.
I'm not shooting anyone, just pointing out that
a 3 digit majority for the Torys isnt going to happen
if they do manage to make brexit happen given that
half the country doesn’t want brexit.
Post by Keema's Nan
I am only quoting the prediction figures.
But don’t understand that you can’t take country wide
voting intention percentages and turn those into seats.
That’s strange, because that is precisely what I have done.
Yep, you actually are that pig ignorant. Have a look at the
voting intentions before the last general election and the
seats that the various partys actually ended up with.

And then do the decent thing and disembowel yourself.
Post by Keema's Nan
Whining about it
Just another of your silly little fantasys.
Post by Keema's Nan
seems rather hypocritical from someone who
can state where millions of LD voter intentions
have come from without asking them.
Its easy to see where the numbers have come from.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
As should be obvious when you notice that while UKIP
did get over 10% in the polls before the last general
election, they didn’t even get a single MP elected,
just one refugee from the Torys whose constituency
would have re-elected him even if he had joined
the monster raving loony party instead of UKIP.
Here comes the strawman....
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Sure, part of that is because of how the FPP system
works and the fact that UKIP voters were spread
pretty evenly around the country, but its also true
that the Torys never get the same percentage of
seats as they get in the voting intension polls.
That’s because they appeal to more outside
the major cities and so they get lots of tory
voters where they already have enough to
get the tory MP elected.
Same thing happens with Labour in reverse.
Post by Keema's Nan
A few % either way makes a difference between a Tory majority
of 50 and over 100; neither of which are going to worry the Tories.
It doesn’t work like that with so many seats
dominated by Tory voters and Labour voters.
Have you never heard of marginals?
Corse I have and have just commented on them.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
The old 650 seat parliament would be 386 Tory, 181 Labour and
26
LDs.
Pity about the polls before that particular general election.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Brian Gaff
I think that the only way that will happen is if most of the
rest stay home on poling day.
The whole point has been missed and as many said at the time,
regardless
of
you position on leave or stay, the referendum was flawed in
so
many
ways.
No
threshold turn out , no majority based on the actual voters who
turned
out,
then both sides campaigns blatantly lying or over simplifying the
problem
of
leaving
Did nobody foresee what everyone else did here?
You just can’t handle the truth.
You wouldn’t know what the truth was if it bit you on your lard arse.
Ad hominems so quickly?
That’s not ad hominem, it’s a statement of fact.
Polls arent anything even remotely like anything like the truth.
They are better than nothing,
Yes, but nothing like the truth.
Post by Keema's Nan
and far better than personal guesswork
masquerading as the truth.
Yes, but actual election results in the recent
elections is much better again than both.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
If Labour had even a slim chance of getting the most seats, Corbyn
would have fallen over himself to have called an election weeks ago.
Not necessarily if he believes the result would be better if he waited.
If he believes that, then he needs to consider being sectioned.
Not necessarily if he can force no brexit at all given that something
like half the country doesn’t want the UK to leave. If he can achieve
that, it would improve his general election prospects.
He can’t ‘force’ a no Brexit
It could happen if the EU agrees to an extension and he
manages to achieve a no confidence motion and gets
enough to agree to have him caretaker PM and have
a second referendum which sees the remainers come
out on top and then revokes Article 50 before a general
election.
Ifs and buts. Are all your views based on hypothetical questions?
No hypothetical question at all.
Post by Keema's Nan
You are employed by the BBC, and I claim my £50.
There you go, face down in the mud, as always.

I'm not even in the UK, fuckwit.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Unlikely given that he actually is a leaver himself and
hardly anyone is prepared to have him as caretaker
PM, but it might be achievable with someone who isnt
planning to stand in the next general election with
some like the SNP desperate to avoid any form of brexit.
Post by Keema's Nan
as it is an EU requirement of A50 once the negotiating
period has come to an end, unless there is an agreed
extension - and Boris is not agreed.
Or if Article 50 is revoked.
Post by Keema's Nan
Corbyn would have to unseat the PM to get anywhere near that scenario
Yes,
Well at least we agree on something.
Post by Rod Speed
but given that a big majority of MPs are remainers,
a no confidence motion may get up if they can agree
about who the caretaker PM will be, not Corbyn.
Ifs and buts again.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
That delay would improve Labour's prospects in
a general election that happens before a brexit
because lots of Labour voters would never vote
LD and might well be fooled by Corbyn not
saying outright that he is a leaver.
Post by Keema's Nan
- which would be hardly a democratic way to proceed,
given that Boris has more HoC seats than he does.
Sure, but Trots arent into democracy. They don’t even believe
in parliament and are only involved in parliament as a means
to an end, to get rid of parliament all together. Most Labour
voters are too stupid to have even noticed that.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Keema's Nan
At least Corbyn knows the truth, although the snowflakes
will continue to believe his lies about why he can’t call an
election at the moment however much he wants to.
You seem not to have factored in the effect of a
meteor strike, in your hypothesis-dominated world.
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
Peeler
2019-09-30 10:25:15 UTC
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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
YOU certainly KEEP bullshitting your way FAST into your grave, you obnoxious
trolling senile pest!
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2019-09-29 10:21:35 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Not at all.
Based on the latest polling figures of Con 37% Lab 25% LD 16% Brexit 13%
Even you should have noticed
Even he noticed that you are a trolling piece of senile Ozzie shit!
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newshound
2019-09-29 21:43:12 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
In your dreams. I think that the only way that will happen is if most of the
rest stay home on poling day.
The whole point has been missed and as many said at the time, regardless of
you position on leave or stay, the referendum was flawed in so many ways. No
threshold turn out , no majority based on the actual voters who turned out,
then both sides campaigns blatantly lying or over simplifying the problem of
leaving
Did nobody foresee what everyone else did here?
Brian
A C Grayling put it most succinctly in August 2016. It bears repeating
(particularly Reason 1).

http://acgrayling.com/letter-to-mps
Rod Speed
2019-09-29 08:49:13 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 09:16:42 -0700, Grik-bastardo®™
Post by MM
Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.
Why shouldn't we leave then? That is the default position (a REAL
one, compared to your advisory referendum default). The only hope for
you mainland-worshipping Remoaners is that all the mainland countries
approve a delay, in which case we will have the same exact problem on
31st January. Sooner or later, one of the mainland countries will
veto any further delays. It's inevitable.
It's not inevitable at all.
It's totally inevitable. All it takes is one shitty little mainland
country to say NO and the Brexit extension is FUCKED.
When that does happen, the British government will simply revoke A50.
Except that Britain does not have a government. It has a bunch of overpaid
self serving rabble rousers, but they are not governing - precisely the
opposite, in fact and the chance of revoking A50 (when a majority of almost
400 voted to give May the green light to invoke it) is nil.
Britain will have a government after a general election;
Much more likely to be even worse of a shambles than now.
Post by Keema's Nan
but as the rabble rousers know, it will be a Tory
government with a three figure majority.
Bet it isnt unless Boris can achieve a viable brexit. Even then,
with half the voters preferring to remain, its unlikely it will
be anything even remotely like a 3 figure majority.
Rod Speed
2019-09-29 09:27:52 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 09:16:42 -0700, Grik-bastardo®™
Post by MM
Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.
Why shouldn't we leave then? That is the default position (a REAL
one, compared to your advisory referendum default). The only hope for
you mainland-worshipping Remoaners is that all the mainland countries
approve a delay, in which case we will have the same exact problem on
31st January. Sooner or later, one of the mainland countries will
veto any further delays. It's inevitable.
It's not inevitable at all.
It's totally inevitable. All it takes is one shitty little mainland
country to say NO and the Brexit extension is FUCKED.
When that does happen, the British government will simply revoke A50.
Except that Britain does not have a government. It has a bunch of overpaid
self serving rabble rousers, but they are not governing - precisely the
opposite, in fact and the chance of revoking A50 (when a majority of almost
400 voted to give May the green light to invoke it) is nil.
Britain will have a government after a general election;
Much more likely to be even worse of a shambles than now.
Post by Keema's Nan
but as the rabble rousers know, it will be a Tory
government with a three figure majority.
Bet it isnt unless Boris can achieve a viable brexit. Even then,
with half the voters preferring to remain, its unlikely it will
be anything even remotely like a 3 figure majority.
And if Boris does manage to get a no deal brexit, there wont
be a general election because even that fool Corbyn knows
that half the Labour MPs will lose their seats and he will be
politically assassinated if that happens.
Peeler
2019-09-29 10:23:49 UTC
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And if Boris
Getting no feedbacks any more in most groups and threads that you infest,
you senile trolling pest? So you now you post your own feedbacks? LMAO
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2019-09-29 10:57:10 UTC
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Bet it isnt unless Boris
NONE of yours, you trolling piece of senile Ozzie shit!
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2019-09-29 12:05:07 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 09:16:42 -0700, Grik-bastardo®?
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Post by MM
Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.
Why shouldn't we leave then? That is the default position (a REAL
one, compared to your advisory referendum default). The only hope for
you mainland-worshipping Remoaners is that all the mainland countries
approve a delay, in which case we will have the same exact problem on
31st January. Sooner or later, one of the mainland countries will
veto any further delays. It's inevitable.
It's not inevitable at all.
It's totally inevitable. All it takes is one shitty little mainland
country to say NO and the Brexit extension is FUCKED.
When that does happen, the British government will simply revoke A50.
No, it simply won't.
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2019-09-29 14:23:30 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
When that does happen, the British government will simply revoke A50.
No, it simply won't.
That's not for a psychopathic pedophilic dreckserb like you to decide,
Razovic!
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Roger
2019-09-27 17:20:49 UTC
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So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.
MM
The official date the UK leaves the EU is the 31st of October. So far that has not been changed, and the only thing that can postpone it is an EU decision.

It would be rather irresponsible of officials to not do anything just because they think it might be changed.
m***@gmail.com
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<<It would be rather irresponsible of officials to not do anything just because they think it might be changed.>>

'The UK is leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."

I'm sure BonZo's clarity helped in the construction of this very clear and informative message. Don't panic everyone it's all under BonZo's and the ERG's control now....you may possibly need further papers....make sure the papers are ready won't you? You may not know what papers you need, or where you're going to get the papers from, or what they may cost, but damn well make sure they're ready. And if, by any chance, you shouldn't actually need them in the end, well....well done you for getting them ready in your spare time anyway. Thank god your business has plenty of slack to allow this sort of thing....it's no wonder the likes of Muggled can slouch around all day with all this slack in the system.
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2019-09-29 13:39:44 UTC
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Post by MM
Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.
MM
Of course he's lying as usual. I'll bet he can't give us the location of the signs in question.

The TV adverts have been there for weeks.
Keema's Nan
2019-09-29 16:10:28 UTC
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Post by MM
Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.
MM
Of course he's lying as usual. I'll bet he can't give us the location of the
signs in question.
Yes they are there on some matrix signs.

I have seen them on the M4, M5, M6, M25 and M42 over the last 4 weeks, but I
haven’t been on others.
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The TV adverts have been there for weeks.
Mark Devon
2019-09-29 16:29:27 UTC
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((The TV adverts have been there for weeks))

What are the differences, depending on whether we leave with a deal or leave with no deal?
Keema's Nan
2019-09-29 17:14:59 UTC
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((The TV adverts have been there for weeks))
What are the differences, depending on whether we leave with a deal or leave with no deal?
The gantry signs just say that paperwork might change - and advise vehicle
drivers to check.

It all seems reasonable to me.
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2019-09-29 17:20:23 UTC
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((signs just say that paperwork might change - and advise vehicle
drivers to check.

It all seems reasonable to me.))

What paperwork, specifically, might change?
Keema's Nan
2019-09-29 17:47:26 UTC
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((signs just say that paperwork might change - and advise vehicle
drivers to check.
It all seems reasonable to me.))
What paperwork, specifically, might change?
It doesn’t say, and as I am not an HGV driver or the boss of a transport
company, I can’t help you.
m***@gmail.com
2019-09-29 18:21:37 UTC
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It doesn’t say, and as I am not an HGV driver or the boss of a transport
company, I can’t help you.>>
It seems impossible to find an HGV driver who thinks it means anything at all that they can use in any practical meaningful way. They have no idea what it means whether we leave with no deal, or with a deal. How are the Tory government's Brexit plans going?

So, when you say it seems reasonable, what do you mean by reasonable? In what way?
Roger
2019-09-29 19:20:19 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
It doesn’t say, and as I am not an HGV driver or the boss of a transport
company, I can’t help you.>>
It seems impossible to find an HGV driver who thinks it means anything at all that they can use in any practical meaningful way. They have no idea what it means whether we leave with no deal, or with a deal. How are the Tory government's Brexit plans going?
So, when you say it seems reasonable, what do you mean by reasonable? In what way?
HGV drivers don't know anything about documents, their employers do....they need an operators licence.

But why do you think the messages are aimed at professionals? I think it is more to the point that non professionals may not have realised.

Fact is that people leaving the UK now may well be planning to stay beyond Oct 31st. And they may need additional documents.

What I don't get is what's the problem? As long as the date remains 31st of October, which it is, and that's only a month away, why on earth should people not be warned.
m***@gmail.com
2019-09-29 20:27:20 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
It doesn’t say, and as I am not an HGV driver or the boss of a transport
company, I can’t help you.>>
It seems impossible to find an HGV driver who thinks it means anything at all that they can use in any practical meaningful way. They have no idea what it means whether we leave with no deal, or with a deal. How are the Tory government's Brexit plans going?
So, when you say it seems reasonable, what do you mean by reasonable? In what way?
HGV drivers don't know anything about documents, their employers do....they need an operators licence.
But why do you think the messages are aimed at professionals? I think it is more to the point that non professionals may not have realised.
Fact is that people leaving the UK now may well be planning to stay beyond Oct 31st. And they may need additional documents.
What I don't get is what's the problem? As long as the date remains 31st of October, which it is, and that's only a month away, why on earth should people not be warned.>>
So, no-one really gets why the government is targeting millions of motorists with this message at all. What documents are being referred to, exactly? What professionals, if any? What bosses/employers, if any? What members of the public, if any? Not only has no-one here any clear understanding of who the messages are being targeted at, no one really knows what documents are being referred to, nor whether the documents mean if we leave with no deal or a deal. But don't worry everyone, the Tory government has it all under control....that's why they put the message there....a bit of reassurance that BonZo has it all under control. Anyone convinced?
Andy Walker
2019-09-30 10:48:07 UTC
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So, no-one really gets why the government is targeting millions of
motorists with this message at all. What documents are being referred
to, exactly? What professionals, [...].
It's a motorway gantry sign. It has room to display

Caution. Debris in road
after junction.

or, according to MM [I haven't myself seen them yet],

UK is leaving the EU on
October 31. You may need
further papers.

It doesn't have room for

UK is leaving the EU on
October 31. You may need
a new passport and EHIC
documentation, esp if you
intend to drive an HGV on
the continent in November
or to take your car to the
south of France for a
holiday. Or lots of other
things, really. You can
get more information that
may be helpful by visiting
"www.gov.uk/wherever" or
by reading a leaflet that
will come through your
letterbox, if you have
one, in the next two weeks
and which can also be
found at the next service
station.

It's part of a campaign that will no doubt develop over the next
week or three, possibly with different gantry signs, or with
leaflets, or with evolving radio and TV adverts. Whether these
things do any good is another matter. Motorway signs are a
difficult case, because the good achieved by sending a message
to those most likely to be affected always has to be balanced
against the harm done by distracting drivers.
--
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Nottingham.
Roger
2019-09-30 11:06:28 UTC
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I think MM is just a bit sore because he failed to follow government advice when they recommended using condoms against STD's.
JNugent
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It doesn’t say, and as I am not an HGV driver or the boss of a transport
company, I can’t help you.>>
It seems impossible to find an HGV driver who thinks it means anything at all that they can use in any practical meaningful way. They have no idea what it means whether we leave with no deal, or with a deal. How are the Tory government's Brexit plans going?
So, when you say it seems reasonable, what do you mean by reasonable? In what way?
HGV drivers don't know anything about documents, their employers do....they need an operators licence.
But why do you think the messages are aimed at professionals? I think it is more to the point that non professionals may not have realised.
Fact is that people leaving the UK now may well be planning to stay beyond Oct 31st. And they may need additional documents.
What I don't get is what's the problem? As long as the date remains 31st of October, which it is, and that's only a month away, why on earth should people not be warned.>>
So, no-one really gets why the government is targeting millions of motorists with this message at all. What documents are being referred to, exactly? What professionals, if any? What bosses/employers, if any? What members of the public, if any? Not only has no-one here any clear understanding of who the messages are being targeted at, no one really knows what documents are being referred to, nor whether the documents mean if we leave with no deal or a deal. But don't worry everyone, the Tory government has it all under control....that's why they put the message there....a bit of reassurance that BonZo has it all under control. Anyone convinced?
It is 100% obvious that the messages are aimed at the road-freight
industry, whether direct to drivers* seeing the signs for themselves or
indirectly to transport managers (etc) via drivers who do see the signs.

[* Drivers of trucks or transport managers / proprietors who happen to
be on the motorway in a car.]
Keema's Nan
2019-09-30 08:31:04 UTC
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It doesn’t say, and as I am not an HGV driver or the boss of a transport
company, I can’t help you.>>
It seems impossible to find an HGV driver who thinks it means anything at all
that they can use in any practical meaningful way. They have no idea what it
means whether we leave with no deal, or with a deal. How are the Tory
government's Brexit plans going?
So, when you say it seems reasonable, what do you mean by reasonable? In what way?
Are you dim?

It is reasonable IMHO to alert drivers to the fact that the journey
across/under the English Channel may require a change in paperwork on Nov
1st.Maybe you think that the authorities should just carry on as if nothing
was about to happen?

If you were travelling to France on Nov 1st, do you believe your EU passport
would be enough to get you over the border after a possible no-deal Brexit?

And, you are only one human sheep. What about a truck load of real sheep?
m***@gmail.com
2019-09-30 08:49:13 UTC
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<<If you were travelling to France on Nov 1st, do you believe your EU passport
would be enough to get you over the border after a possible no-deal Brexit?>>

So, specifically what do I need to do now, to enable me to go to France on 1st November? Or are you another Brexiteer who doesn't know? A Brexiteer without a plan? It's no good you Brexiteers coming to us Remainers for the answers, if we leave with no deal!
Keema's Nan
2019-09-30 08:53:37 UTC
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<<If you were travelling to France on Nov 1st, do you believe your EU passport
would be enough to get you over the border after a possible no-deal Brexit?>>
Are you incapable of answering a simple question?
Post by m***@gmail.com
So, specifically what do I need to do now, to enable me to go to France on
1st November? Or are you another Brexiteer who doesn't know? A Brexiteer
without a plan? It's no good you Brexiteers coming to us Remainers for the
answers, if we leave with no deal!
At least you have now reveal your warped agenda.

You are full of shit.
Keema's Nan
2019-09-30 13:21:16 UTC
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<<If you were travelling to France on Nov 1st, do you believe your EU passport
would be enough to get you over the border after a possible no-deal Brexit?>>
So, specifically what do I need to do now, to enable me to go to France on
1st November? Or are you another Brexiteer who doesn't know? A Brexiteer
without a plan? It's no good you Brexiteers coming to us Remainers for the
answers, if we leave with no deal!
As you are obviously incapable of doing anything for yourself (are you in a
care home?) here is something that you might be interested in.....

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/transporting-goods-between-the-uk-and-eu-in-a-no-
deal-brexit-guidance-for-hauliers
Roger
2019-09-30 14:23:23 UTC
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Post by m***@gmail.com
<<If you were travelling to France on Nov 1st, do you believe your EU passport
would be enough to get you over the border after a possible no-deal Brexit?>>
So, specifically what do I need to do now, to enable me to go to France on
1st November? Or are you another Brexiteer who doesn't know? A Brexiteer
without a plan? It's no good you Brexiteers coming to us Remainers for the
answers, if we leave with no deal!
As you are obviously incapable of doing anything for yourself (are you in a
care home?) here is something that you might be interested in.....
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/transporting-goods-between-the-uk-and-eu-in-a-no-
deal-brexit-guidance-for-hauliers
That's for hauliers. For private individuals you need to make your sure your passport is up to date and you have your green card.

But AFAIK that was necessary anyway....certainly to come to Italy it is.

Speaking of green cards, I used to pay €5 extra to get a green card with my insurance here in Italy, but ever since it was obligatory for EU insurance to cover all EU countries they have been issuing green cards as standard for EU and extra EU countries. We have been told nothing changes even in a no deal, the current and the new green card will cover the UK just as it does for other non EU countries like Albania.

Is it not the same in the UK?


You might need a vet's certificate if you have a pet?
Keema's Nan
2019-09-30 14:25:14 UTC
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<<If you were travelling to France on Nov 1st, do you believe your EU passport
would be enough to get you over the border after a possible no-deal Brexit?>>
So, specifically what do I need to do now, to enable me to go to France on
1st November? Or are you another Brexiteer who doesn't know? A Brexiteer
without a plan? It's no good you Brexiteers coming to us Remainers for the
answers, if we leave with no deal!
As you are obviously incapable of doing anything for yourself (are you in a
care home?) here is something that you might be interested in.....
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/transporting-goods-between-the-uk-and-eu-in-a-no
-
deal-brexit-guidance-for-hauliers
That's for hauliers. For private individuals you need to make your sure your
passport is up to date and you have your green card.
Hasn’t that always been the case?
Post by Roger
But AFAIK that was necessary anyway....certainly to come to Italy it is.
Speaking of green cards, I used to pay €5 extra to get a green card with my
insurance here in Italy, but ever since it was obligatory for EU insurance to
cover all EU countries they have been issuing green cards as standard for EU
and extra EU countries. We have been told nothing changes even in a no deal,
the current and the new green card will cover the UK just as it does for
other non EU countries like Albania.
Is it not the same in the UK?
You might need a vet's certificate if you have a pet?
JNugent
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<<If you were travelling to France on Nov 1st, do you believe your EU passport
would be enough to get you over the border after a possible no-deal Brexit?>>
So, specifically what do I need to do now, to enable me to go to France on 1st November?
Only your passport, just the same as now. Plus a ticket for an
aeroplane, Eurostar or ferry, of course.

You aren't the owner of an international freight company or one of its
drivers, are you?
Ian Jackson
2019-09-30 15:39:41 UTC
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It doesn’t say, and as I am not an HGV driver or the boss of a transport
company, I can’t help you.>>
It seems impossible to find an HGV driver who thinks it means anything at all
that they can use in any practical meaningful way. They have no idea what it
means whether we leave with no deal, or with a deal. How are the Tory
government's Brexit plans going?
So, when you say it seems reasonable, what do you mean by reasonable? In what way?
Are you dim?
It is reasonable IMHO to alert drivers to the fact that the journey
across/under the English Channel may require a change in paperwork on Nov
1st.Maybe you think that the authorities should just carry on as if nothing
was about to happen?
If you were travelling to France on Nov 1st, do you believe your EU passport
would be enough to get you over the border after a possible no-deal Brexit?
And, you are only one human sheep. What about a truck load of real sheep?
On 1 Nov, I have every expectation that my EU-UK passport will get me
into France (and if I had a newtrueblue UK passport, it would do the
same). The same goes for my UK driving licence - unless it's decided
that an international driving licence will be required.

However, I'd have to check my car insurance. If it says it's valid in
the EU, I would expect it would still be valid (the contract being
between me and the insurer) - unless the small print says "if the UK is
still in the EU"). If it's not going to be valid, I'd have to get a
Green Card insurance (just like the good old days).

I'd also have to check my get-you-home recovery insurance, which I'm
sure is valid only in the UK unless you pay more (short-term cover,
which I think I paid for when I last went abroad).

There's also the European Health Insurance (EIHC) to check - and if
there has been no agreement that the mutual arrangements will still
pertain, I would be wise to take out a new travel health insurance.

But of course, if a transitional agreement is agreed, then none of us
should have to worry for around two years.
--
Ian
Roger
2019-10-01 06:28:41 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
It doesn’t say, and as I am not an HGV driver or the boss of a transport
company, I can’t help you.>>
It seems impossible to find an HGV driver who thinks it means anything at all
that they can use in any practical meaningful way. They have no idea what it
means whether we leave with no deal, or with a deal. How are the Tory
government's Brexit plans going?
So, when you say it seems reasonable, what do you mean by reasonable? In what way?
Are you dim?
It is reasonable IMHO to alert drivers to the fact that the journey
across/under the English Channel may require a change in paperwork on Nov
1st.Maybe you think that the authorities should just carry on as if nothing
was about to happen?
If you were travelling to France on Nov 1st, do you believe your EU passport
would be enough to get you over the border after a possible no-deal Brexit?
And, you are only one human sheep. What about a truck load of real sheep?
On 1 Nov, I have every expectation that my EU-UK passport will get me
into France (and if I had a newtrueblue UK passport, it would do the
same). The same goes for my UK driving licence - unless it's decided
that an international driving licence will be required.
However, I'd have to check my car insurance. If it says it's valid in
the EU, I would expect it would still be valid (the contract being
between me and the insurer) - unless the small print says "if the UK is
still in the EU"). If it's not going to be valid, I'd have to get a
Green Card insurance (just like the good old days).
I'd also have to check my get-you-home recovery insurance, which I'm
sure is valid only in the UK unless you pay more (short-term cover,
which I think I paid for when I last went abroad).
There's also the European Health Insurance (EIHC) to check - and if
there has been no agreement that the mutual arrangements will still
pertain, I would be wise to take out a new travel health insurance.
But of course, if a transitional agreement is agreed, then none of us
should have to worry for around two years.
--
Ian
Certainly here in Italy the government has already passed legislation that protects emergency health care, expats, bank transactions etc even in the case of a no deal. In fact many of the EU agreements were only 'cosmetic' anyway. For example, there is no such thing as European car insurance, the EU just made 'Green Card' coverage for all EU states obligatory for any policy issued in the EU.
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Post by Mark Devon
((The TV adverts have been there for weeks))
What are the differences, depending on whether we leave with a deal or leave
with no deal?
The gantry signs just say that paperwork might change - and advise vehicle
drivers to check.
It all seems reasonable to me.
Not if we don't actually leave on 31 October, which I think is more
likely now there is no sign of a deal and not enough time to get it
through Parliament even if there were one.

MM
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2019-10-01 06:22:11 UTC
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Not if we don't actually leave on 31 October, which I think is more
likely now there is no sign of a deal and not enough time to get it
through Parliament even if there were one.
MM
So the people who manage the roads should base their actions on what the law currently says or what MM happens to think?
MM
2019-10-01 08:38:56 UTC
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Not if we don't actually leave on 31 October, which I think is more
likely now there is no sign of a deal and not enough time to get it
through Parliament even if there were one.
MM
So the people who manage the roads should base their actions on what the law currently says or what MM happens to think?
Well, those road managers are going to look mighty stupid when the
gantries say we're leaving on 31 October when the date is 1 November.

MM
Roger
2019-10-01 09:06:47 UTC
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Post by MM
Not if we don't actually leave on 31 October, which I think is more
likely now there is no sign of a deal and not enough time to get it
through Parliament even if there were one.
MM
So the people who manage the roads should base their actions on what the law currently says or what MM happens to think?
Well, those road managers are going to look mighty stupid when the
gantries say we're leaving on 31 October when the date is 1 November.
MM
Well the date was set by the EU; does it refer to CET? It will be 23:00 on the 31st when Central Europe reaches the 1st Nov ;-)
Andy Walker
2019-10-01 09:39:02 UTC
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Well, those road managers are going to look mighty stupid when the
gantries say we're leaving on 31 October when the date is 1
November.
The same way they "look mighty stupid" when they say
"Caution, debris in road" and the next day the road is clear?
It's not as though the messages are set in stone. They can
be, and often are, changed at a moment's notice, esp if the
situation on the ground changes.
--
Andy Walker,
Nottingham.
Ian Jackson
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Not if we don't actually leave on 31 October, which I think is more
likely now there is no sign of a deal and not enough time to get it
through Parliament even if there were one.
MM
So the people who manage the roads should base their actions on what
the law currently says or what MM happens to think?
Well, those road managers are going to look mighty stupid when the
gantries say we're leaving on 31 October when the date is 1 November.
Don't we leave at 00:00, 1 Nov, EU time? In the UK, it will still 23:00
on 31 Oct. It's all explained here:

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Dan S. MacAbre
2019-10-01 12:32:22 UTC
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Not if we don't actually leave on 31 October, which I think is more
likely now there is no sign of a deal and not enough time to get it
through Parliament even if there were one.
MM
So the people who manage the roads should base their actions on what
the law currently says or what MM happens to think?
Well, those road managers are going to look mighty stupid when the
gantries say we're leaving on 31 October when the date is 1 November.
Don't we leave at 00:00, 1 Nov, EU time? In the UK, it will still 23:00
http://youtu.be/iSr4qEigldA
Does the EU have a single time zone? I honestly don't know :-) Is
there a notional one that they use for such purposes as this?
Roger
2019-10-01 13:25:36 UTC
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Not if we don't actually leave on 31 October, which I think is more
likely now there is no sign of a deal and not enough time to get it
through Parliament even if there were one.
MM
So the people who manage the roads should base their actions on what
the law currently says or what MM happens to think?
Well, those road managers are going to look mighty stupid when the
gantries say we're leaving on 31 October when the date is 1 November.
Don't we leave at 00:00, 1 Nov, EU time? In the UK, it will still 23:00
http://youtu.be/iSr4qEigldA
Does the EU have a single time zone? I honestly don't know :-) Is
there a notional one that they use for such purposes as this?
Yes, CET, Central European Time, the timezone of France and Germany....and most EU countries.

UK, Eire and Portugal are in the same zone.

Finland and Greece are in Eastern European time.
JNugent
2019-10-06 15:23:47 UTC
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Not if we don't actually leave on 31 October, which I think is more
likely now there is no sign of a deal and not enough time to get it
through Parliament even if there were one.
MM
So the people who manage the roads should base their actions on what
the law currently says or what MM happens to think?
Well, those road managers are going to look mighty stupid when the
gantries say we're leaving on 31 October when the date is 1 November.
Don't we leave at 00:00, 1 Nov, EU time? In the UK, it will still
http://youtu.be/iSr4qEigldA
Does the EU have a single time zone?  I honestly don't know :-)  Is
there a notional one that they use for such purposes as this?
There are several time zones within the EU (at least two I know of, and
possibly another one to thr east).
Mark Devon
2019-10-06 15:41:07 UTC
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So, who here has obtained any new documents etc. specifically in readiness for 1st Nov, and what are they?
Keema's Nan
2019-10-01 14:17:00 UTC
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Not if we don't actually leave on 31 October, which I think is more
likely now there is no sign of a deal and not enough time to get it
through Parliament even if there were one.
MM
So the people who manage the roads should base their actions on what
the law currently says or what MM happens to think?
Well, those road managers are going to look mighty stupid when the
gantries say we're leaving on 31 October when the date is 1 November.
Don't we leave at 00:00, 1 Nov, EU time? In the UK, it will still 23:00
http://youtu.be/iSr4qEigldA
No it will not.

The clocks go back at 0200 BST on 31 Oct

So by 2359 on 31 Oct we will all be on the same time.

If you remained ignorants cannot cope with clocks, how the fuck are you going
to fare with a no-deal Brexit?
Incubus
2019-10-01 14:24:45 UTC
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Not if we don't actually leave on 31 October, which I think is more
likely now there is no sign of a deal and not enough time to get it
through Parliament even if there were one.
MM
So the people who manage the roads should base their actions on what
the law currently says or what MM happens to think?
Well, those road managers are going to look mighty stupid when the
gantries say we're leaving on 31 October when the date is 1 November.
Don't we leave at 00:00, 1 Nov, EU time? In the UK, it will still 23:00
http://youtu.be/iSr4qEigldA
No it will not.
The clocks go back at 0200 BST on 31 Oct
So by 2359 on 31 Oct we will all be on the same time.
If you remained ignorants cannot cope with clocks, how the fuck are you going
to fare with a no-deal Brexit?
It's not fair to ask questions of Ian Jackson. LBC can't give him answers on
demand.

Maybe in a few days, someone will have 'phoned in on this issue and he can give
you a relevant response.
Ian Jackson
2019-10-01 15:52:51 UTC
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Not if we don't actually leave on 31 October, which I think is more
likely now there is no sign of a deal and not enough time to get it
through Parliament even if there were one.
MM
So the people who manage the roads should base their actions on what
the law currently says or what MM happens to think?
Well, those road managers are going to look mighty stupid when the
gantries say we're leaving on 31 October when the date is 1 November.
Don't we leave at 00:00, 1 Nov, EU time? In the UK, it will still 23:00
http://youtu.be/iSr4qEigldA
No it will not.
The clocks go back at 0200 BST on 31 Oct
That's not correct. If we do leave the EU, British clocks will have to
be put back to 1973. In Northern Ireland, make that 12 July, 1688.

But being serious, some websites are wrong, and say it's 31 Oct (a
Thursday). It's actually Sunday 27 Oct (for all the EU - including the
UK) - so UK and EU time will remain in step, with a difference of 1
hour.

While the EU intends to adopt a permanent 'no time change' (with Oct
2019 being the last time), it appears that no absolutely final decision
has been taken - with March 2021 appearing to be the most likely.
[Further Googling required.]
Post by Keema's Nan
So by 2359 on 31 Oct we will all be on the same time.
See above.
Post by Keema's Nan
If you remained ignorants cannot cope with clocks, how the fuck are you going
to fare with a no-deal Brexit?
I'll overlook the insult.
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Roger
2019-10-01 21:47:57 UTC
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But being serious, some websites are wrong, and say it's 31 Oct (a
Thursday). It's actually Sunday 27 Oct (for all the EU - including the
UK) - so UK and EU time will remain in step, with a difference of 1
hour.
Even if the 31st was the 'eve' of the clocks going back, they would go back at 03:00 CET to 2:00 CET, so the change would be 3 hours after Brexit to 2 hours after Brexit.

This would still have left adequate time for the Motorway boffins to write "Told you so, ya boo sucks" on the signs.
Ophelia
2019-10-02 09:35:36 UTC
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But being serious, some websites are wrong, and say it's 31 Oct (a
Thursday). It's actually Sunday 27 Oct (for all the EU - including the
UK) - so UK and EU time will remain in step, with a difference of 1
hour.
Even if the 31st was the 'eve' of the clocks going back, they would go back
at 03:00 CET to 2:00 CET, so the change would be 3 hours after Brexit to 2
hours after Brexit.

This would still have left adequate time for the Motorway boffins to write
"Told you so, ya boo sucks" on the signs.

==

lol
Keema's Nan
2019-10-02 11:05:43 UTC
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But being serious, some websites are wrong, and say it's 31 Oct (a
Thursday). It's actually Sunday 27 Oct (for all the EU - including the
UK) - so UK and EU time will remain in step, with a difference of 1
hour.
Sorry, yes. I should have checked on my calendar before becoming free with
the insults.
Post by Roger
Even if the 31st was the 'eve' of the clocks going back, they would go back
at 03:00 CET to 2:00 CET, so the change would be 3 hours after Brexit to 2
hours after Brexit.
But that would be Nov 1st.

Even the incorrect reports giving 31st Oct mean that the clocks would go back
early on that morning, not the next day.
Post by Roger
This would still have left adequate time for the Motorway boffins to write
"Told you so, ya boo sucks" on the signs.
Roger
2019-10-02 18:15:13 UTC
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But being serious, some websites are wrong, and say it's 31 Oct (a
Thursday). It's actually Sunday 27 Oct (for all the EU - including the
UK) - so UK and EU time will remain in step, with a difference of 1
hour.
Sorry, yes. I should have checked on my calendar before becoming free with
the insults.
Post by Roger
Even if the 31st was the 'eve' of the clocks going back, they would go back
at 03:00 CET to 2:00 CET, so the change would be 3 hours after Brexit to 2
hours after Brexit.
But that would be Nov 1st.
Yes. In the UK the clocks would go back from 2:00am to 1:00am CET on the 1st of Nov, so still 3 hours after the UK left the EU, which will STILL have taken place at 23:00pm on the 31st October WET. (WET is EU speak for what people in the UK call Greenwich or BST depending on the time of the year).
Ian Jackson
2019-10-02 20:23:08 UTC
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But being serious, some websites are wrong, and say it's 31 Oct (a
Thursday). It's actually Sunday 27 Oct (for all the EU - including the
UK) - so UK and EU time will remain in step, with a difference of 1
hour.
Sorry, yes. I should have checked on my calendar before becoming free with
the insults.
Post by Roger
Even if the 31st was the 'eve' of the clocks going back, they would go back
at 03:00 CET to 2:00 CET, so the change would be 3 hours after Brexit to 2
hours after Brexit.
But that would be Nov 1st.
Yes. In the UK the clocks would go back from 2:00am to 1:00am CET on
the 1st of Nov, so still 3 hours after the UK left the EU, which will
STILL have taken place at 23:00pm on the 31st October WET. (WET is EU
speak for what people in the UK call Greenwich or BST depending on the
time of the year).
https://www.gov.uk/when-do-the-clocks-change
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Roger
2019-10-02 21:05:54 UTC
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https://www.gov.uk/when-do-the-clocks-change
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Oh is this thread getting out of hand :D

I was noting that even if they did change that evening they would still change after Brexit!!!

Brexit happens at 23:00 GMT......unless somebody delays it again.
Mark Devon
2019-09-29 17:26:29 UTC
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((of course he's lying as usual. I'll bet he can't give us the location of the signs in question.))

Do Brexiteers go around with their eyes closed, as well as their minds?
A. Filip
2019-09-29 17:28:24 UTC
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((of course he's lying as usual. I'll bet he can't give us the location of the signs in question.))
Do Brexiteers go around with their eyes closed, as well as their minds?
It may be "no (big) news" to them, nothing worth to remember.
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Keema's Nan
2019-09-29 17:48:49 UTC
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((of course he's lying as usual. I'll bet he can't give us the location of
the signs in question.))
Do Brexiteers go around with their eyes closed, as well as their minds?
Some people never go further than their county boundary for fear of bumping
into aliens.
MM
2019-09-30 20:16:58 UTC
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Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.
MM
Of course he's lying as usual. I'll bet he can't give us the location of the signs in question.
They're on the M40! What, you think I'm gonna park up and get the GPS
location?

MM
The Iceberg
2019-10-01 12:50:52 UTC
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Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
So the government is now *assuming* that we will definitely leave on
the "do or die" date. There'll be much egg-on-face if after all we do
not leave then.
MM
Of course he's lying as usual. I'll bet he can't give us the location of the signs in question.
They're on the M40! What, you think I'm gonna park up and get the GPS
location?
lying for your German(EUSSR) masters again!
m***@gmail.com
2019-09-30 16:19:03 UTC
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In most of the responses here there are a great deal of 'may needs' and 'might needs'. We can all do a list of documents that are relevant to travel/work in the EU etc......but there is absolutely very little, if anything, to be done by anybody at this moment in time, because no one knows whether we will leave with no deal or a deal, and if it's the latter what deal will it be?
Vidcapper
2019-10-01 06:03:19 UTC
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In most of the responses here there are a great deal of 'may needs'
and 'might needs'. We can all do a list of documents that are
relevant to travel/work in the EU etc......but there is absolutely
very little, if anything, to be done by anybody at this moment in
time, because no one knows whether we will leave with no deal or a
deal, and if it's the latter what deal will it be?
At least they're not showing porn. :p
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https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/electronic-billboards-in-detroit-played-porn-for-30-minutes-after-being-hacked-2329051.html
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tim...
2019-10-02 18:07:15 UTC
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Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
I went up the A1 at the weekend and that says:

EU freight paperwork may be changing from Nov 1.

no mention as to why was to be seen on the board

tim
JNugent
2019-10-06 15:14:06 UTC
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Yesterday I drove home up the M40. Every now and again there are
information gantries that usually announce how long till the next
junction, but I saw two that had wording to the effect that "UK is
leaving the EU on October 31. You may need further papers."
The message was obviously primarily directed at international
truckers.
Last night's TV adverts also included a message from HM Government
stating that "UK is leaving on October 31" (I paraphrase.)
EU freight paperwork may be changing from Nov 1.
no mention as to why was to be seen on the board
That's the only one I've seen on various journeys over the last week or
so (M25, M11, M40, M4).
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