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Trump's Supporters Say His Reluctance To Challeng His Sharia Muslim Sand Nigger Saudi Puppetmasters Proves That He Is The Weakest President In History
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Trump prizes strength, but the world may see weakness in reluctance to
confront Saudis



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By Philip Rucker and
Josh Dawsey October 21 at 3:25 PM


When then-candidate Donald Trump debuted his “America First” foreign
policy, he argued that the nation under President Obama had “absolutely no
respect” and was being “laughed at all over the world.”

For Trump, little is more important than appearing to project strength. And
in that April 2016 speech, he vowed again and again that he alone would
make America strong again.

The challenge now facing President Trump is that his waffling public
response to the Oct. 2 killing of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi and
his consistent acclaim for Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman could
leave a lasting impression of weakness.

Despite a growing body of evidence suggesting Mohammed ordered the ghastly
killing carried out by his henchmen inside the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul,
Trump has declined so far to take action to punish the Saudis. In fact, he
has showered praise on the crown prince, 33, who is the kingdom’s de facto
leader and heir to the throne.


“He’s a strong person,” Trump said Saturday in an interview with The
Washington Post. “He has very good control .?.?. He’s seen as a person who
can keep things under check. I mean that in a positive way.”

The killing of Khashoggi, a Saudi citizen who had been living in Virginia
and who wrote columns for The Washington Post, has become one of the most
consequential foreign policy crises of Trump’s presidency.


Journalist Jamal Khashoggi. (Hasan Jamali/AP)
Some of Trump’s advisers have warned him that if he lets the Saudis get
away with such a barbaric extrajudicial killing with impunity, the Saudis
would not respect him as a strong leader — nor would other authoritarian
regimes around the world, including North Korea and Iran.

Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), a Trump ally who has discussed the matter
with him privately, said it is incumbent upon the president to “send a
clear signal to the Middle East that there’s a new sheriff in town.”


“This is one of the most important moments of his presidency,” Graham said
in an interview. “He has to lead from the front. He has to be the one to
make the case above all others that this is unacceptable and that our
values are the underpinning of our foreign policy.”

For now, at least, Trump has opted to preserve his personal relationship
with the Saudi leadership because he argues it pays long-term dividends to
the United States in the form of arms sales.

Trump has said there would be “severe punishment” if the Saudis are found
responsible for Khashoggi’s killing, but has not followed through with any
punishment. Indeed, he has rejected calls from leaders in Congress to
sanction the kingdom or stop its promised purchases of U.S. weaponry. “Then
all they’ll do is go to Russia or go to China,” Trump told The Post. “All
that’s doing is hurting us.”


Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, left, shakes hands with Saudi Crown Prince
Mohammed bin Salman in Riyadh on Oct. 16, 2018. (Leah Millis/AFP/Getty
Images)
The result, foreign policy experts say, is an abdication of America’s
historic role as a global beacon of morality and human rights. Instead,
Trump is pursuing a foreign policy shaped by commercial self-interest.

“This will reinforce the sense around the world that this is a different
America, that we’ve become just like everybody else. We, too, are running a
foreign policy not based on principles or values,” said Richard N. Haass,
chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations. “This combination of
amorality and commercialism is Chinese foreign policy — unconditional
economic pursuits — and suddenly it’s become American foreign policy.”


Trump has long been obsessed with appearing strong, and likes to attack his
enemies as weak. One of his favorite put-downs is accusing foes of “crying
like a baby,” and he has used the imagery of babies a number of times
recently.

When a reporter asked Trump a few days ago for evidence supporting his
claim that hardened criminals were crossing the border, the president
replied, “Oh, please, please, don’t be a baby.” And on CBS’s “60 Minutes”
last weekend, when Lesley Stahl recounted North Korean dictator Kim Jong
Un’s human rights record, Trump said, “I’m not a baby. I know these
things.”

Foreign policy analysts said Kim, Russian President Vladi­mir Putin and
other authoritarians around the world likely are studying how Trump handles
the Khashoggi episode to gauge America’s will to retaliate against human
rights atrocities.


But while other leaders may see Trump as weak, the president may view
himself as strong for protecting his investment in Saudi Arabia, according
to David Axelrod, a White House strategist under Obama.

“He may view strength as being willing to stand up to the disapprobation of
the world with an ally who he thinks might be useful,” Axelrod said. “That
I think is how he describes strength. Kim Jong Un is the worst human rights
violator in the world. He killed his own brother. And Trump loves him
because he thinks he’s going to get something out of it.”

Axelrod continued by explaining that Trump “thinks strength is, are you
shrewd? Do you get something out of the deal? To him that’s smart and
that’s strong.”

Some of the president’s outside advisers agree.

Retired Harvard Law School professor Alan Dershowitz, who speaks frequently
with Trump about the Middle East, said that while the president needs to
take a tougher stand with the Saudis, he should not jeopardize his
relationship with the kingdom over Khashoggi’s killing.


“The president sees strength as having enormous influence over events,”
Dershowitz said. “He can’t terminate the Saudi relationship. That would not
be a show of strength.”

Trump has complicated feelings toward the Middle East and advisers say he
does not possess a deep understanding of the region, though is generally
wary of any engagement.

On one hand, Trump has called former president George W. Bush’s wars in
Iraq and Afghanistan among the biggest presidential blunders in history.
Yet he also has criticized Obama for not retaliating against Syria after
Bashar al Assad crossed Obama’s “red line” by using chemical weapons.

One of Trump’s motivations to protect the Saudis is the kingdom’s position
as a bulwark against Iran, a point he has stressed in private deliberations
but has raised only sporadically publicly.


“I think it’s a very important ally for us. Especially when you have Iran
doing so many bad things in the world, it’s a good counterbalance to the
world,” Trump said of Saudi Arabia in the Post interview. “They’re probably
laughing at this situation as they see it. Iran is as evil as it gets.”

But Graham said it’s incumbent on the United States to not allow the value
of strategic alliances to outweigh all other concerns.

“It’s equally important to understand that our values are more important
than money and jobs,” he said. “One thing we don’t want to do is lose our
moral voice. That’s more important to the world than anything. We’re not
the policeman of the world, but we’re the glue that holds it together.”

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) agreed,
saying Sunday on CNN, “What we don’t want is a ruler that’s going to be
around for 40 or 50 years going around the world continuing to conduct
operations like this. And so, collectively, we have got to deal with this
in an appropriate way.”


After providing contradictory accounts of Khashoggi’s disappearance for two
straight weeks, the Saudi kingdom late last week claimed that the
journalist was killed after a fistfight escalated inside the consulate in
Istanbul and absolved Mohammed of responsibility.

But the Saudi explanation was met with immediate skepticism and condemned
as a whitewash because it contradicted accounts from Turkish officials that
a team of 15 Saudi agents — some of whom are close associates of Mohammed —
flew to Istanbul and killed and dismembered Khashoggi.

“It’s insulting to anyone who’s analyzing this with any kind of intelligent
background to think that, oh, a fistfight led to a dismemberment with a
bone saw,” Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said on “Fox News Sunday.”

Trump has been reluctant to publicly challenge the Saudi account, but made
clear in the Saturday interview with The Post that it strains credulity.

“Obviously there’s been deception, and there’s been lies,” the president
said.

Still, Trump refused to assign blame to Mohammed.

“Nobody has told me he’s responsible,” he said. “Nobody has told me he’s
not responsible. We haven’t reached that point .?.?. I would love if he
wasn’t responsible.”
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Trump prizes strength, but the world may see weakness in reluctance to
confront Saudis
http://bit.do/ey7RP
By Philip Rucker and
Josh Dawsey October 21 at 3:25 PM
When then-candidate Donald Trump debuted his "America First" foreign
policy, he argued that the nation under President Obama had "absolutely no
respect" and was being "laughed at all over the world."
For Trump, little is more important than appearing to project strength. And
in that April 2016 speech, he vowed again and again that he alone would
make America strong again.
The challenge now facing President Trump is that his waffling public
response to the Oct. 2 killing of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi and
his consistent acclaim for Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman could
leave a lasting impression of weakness.
Despite a growing body of evidence suggesting Mohammed ordered the ghastly
killing carried out by his henchmen inside the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul,
Trump has declined so far to take action to punish the Saudis. In fact, he
has showered praise on the crown prince, 33, who is the kingdom's de facto
leader and heir to the throne.
"He's a strong person," Trump said Saturday in an interview with The
Washington Post. "He has very good control .?.?. He's seen as a person who
can keep things under check. I mean that in a positive way."
The killing of Khashoggi, a Saudi citizen who had been living in Virginia
and who wrote columns for The Washington Post, has become one of the most
consequential foreign policy crises of Trump's presidency.
Journalist Jamal Khashoggi. (Hasan Jamali/AP)
Some of Trump's advisers have warned him that if he lets the Saudis get
away with such a barbaric extrajudicial killing with impunity, the Saudis
would not respect him as a strong leader - nor would other authoritarian
regimes around the world, including North Korea and Iran.
Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), a Trump ally who has discussed the matter
with him privately, said it is incumbent upon the president to "send a
clear signal to the Middle East that there's a new sheriff in town."
"This is one of the most important moments of his presidency," Graham said
in an interview. "He has to lead from the front. He has to be the one to
make the case above all others that this is unacceptable and that our
values are the underpinning of our foreign policy."
For now, at least, Trump has opted to preserve his personal relationship
with the Saudi leadership because he argues it pays long-term dividends to
the United States in the form of arms sales.
Trump has said there would be "severe punishment" if the Saudis are found
responsible for Khashoggi's killing, but has not followed through with any
punishment. Indeed, he has rejected calls from leaders in Congress to
sanction the kingdom or stop its promised purchases of U.S. weaponry. "Then
all they'll do is go to Russia or go to China," Trump told The Post. "All
that's doing is hurting us."
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, left, shakes hands with Saudi Crown Prince
Mohammed bin Salman in Riyadh on Oct. 16, 2018. (Leah Millis/AFP/Getty
Images)
The result, foreign policy experts say, is an abdication of America's
historic role as a global beacon of morality and human rights. Instead,
Trump is pursuing a foreign policy shaped by commercial self-interest.
"This will reinforce the sense around the world that this is a different
America, that we've become just like everybody else. We, too, are running a
foreign policy not based on principles or values," said Richard N. Haass,
chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations. "This combination of
amorality and commercialism is Chinese foreign policy - unconditional
economic pursuits - and suddenly it's become American foreign policy."
Trump has long been obsessed with appearing strong, and likes to attack his
enemies as weak. One of his favorite put-downs is accusing foes of "crying
like a baby," and he has used the imagery of babies a number of times
recently.
When a reporter asked Trump a few days ago for evidence supporting his
claim that hardened criminals were crossing the border, the president
replied, "Oh, please, please, don't be a baby." And on CBS's "60 Minutes"
last weekend, when Lesley Stahl recounted North Korean dictator Kim Jong
Un's human rights record, Trump said, "I'm not a baby. I know these
things."
Foreign policy analysts said Kim, Russian President Vladiðmir Putin and
other authoritarians around the world likely are studying how Trump handles
the Khashoggi episode to gauge America's will to retaliate against human
rights atrocities.
But while other leaders may see Trump as weak, the president may view
himself as strong for protecting his investment in Saudi Arabia, according
to David Axelrod, a White House strategist under Obama.
"He may view strength as being willing to stand up to the disapprobation of
the world with an ally who he thinks might be useful," Axelrod said. "That
I think is how he describes strength. Kim Jong Un is the worst human rights
violator in the world. He killed his own brother. And Trump loves him
because he thinks he's going to get something out of it."
Axelrod continued by explaining that Trump "thinks strength is, are you
shrewd? Do you get something out of the deal? To him that's smart and
that's strong."
Some of the president's outside advisers agree.
Retired Harvard Law School professor Alan Dershowitz, who speaks frequently
with Trump about the Middle East, said that while the president needs to
take a tougher stand with the Saudis, he should not jeopardize his
relationship with the kingdom over Khashoggi's killing.
"The president sees strength as having enormous influence over events,"
Dershowitz said. "He can't terminate the Saudi relationship. That would not
be a show of strength."
Trump has complicated feelings toward the Middle East and advisers say he
does not possess a deep understanding of the region, though is generally
wary of any engagement.
On one hand, Trump has called former president George W. Bush's wars in
Iraq and Afghanistan among the biggest presidential blunders in history.
Yet he also has criticized Obama for not retaliating against Syria after
Bashar al Assad crossed Obama's "red line" by using chemical weapons.
One of Trump's motivations to protect the Saudis is the kingdom's position
as a bulwark against Iran, a point he has stressed in private deliberations
but has raised only sporadically publicly.
"I think it's a very important ally for us. Especially when you have Iran
doing so many bad things in the world, it's a good counterbalance to the
world," Trump said of Saudi Arabia in the Post interview. "They're probably
laughing at this situation as they see it. Iran is as evil as it gets."
But Graham said it's incumbent on the United States to not allow the value
of strategic alliances to outweigh all other concerns.
"It's equally important to understand that our values are more important
than money and jobs," he said. "One thing we don't want to do is lose our
moral voice. That's more important to the world than anything. We're not
the policeman of the world, but we're the glue that holds it together."
Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) agreed,
saying Sunday on CNN, "What we don't want is a ruler that's going to be
around for 40 or 50 years going around the world continuing to conduct
operations like this. And so, collectively, we have got to deal with this
in an appropriate way."
After providing contradictory accounts of Khashoggi's disappearance for two
straight weeks, the Saudi kingdom late last week claimed that the
journalist was killed after a fistfight escalated inside the consulate in
Istanbul and absolved Mohammed of responsibility.
But the Saudi explanation was met with immediate skepticism and condemned
as a whitewash because it contradicted accounts from Turkish officials that
a team of 15 Saudi agents - some of whom are close associates of Mohammed -
flew to Istanbul and killed and dismembered Khashoggi.
"It's insulting to anyone who's analyzing this with any kind of intelligent
background to think that, oh, a fistfight led to a dismemberment with a
bone saw," Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said on "Fox News Sunday."
Trump has been reluctant to publicly challenge the Saudi account, but made
clear in the Saturday interview with The Post that it strains credulity.
"Obviously there's been deception, and there's been lies," the president
said.
Still, Trump refused to assign blame to Mohammed.
"Nobody has told me he's responsible," he said. "Nobody has told me he's
not responsible. We haven't reached that point .?.?. I would love if he
wasn't responsible."
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