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JNugent
2024-05-01 14:17:01 UTC
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...it's all just part and parcel of living in a big city.

Who was it who said that?

And has he still got the gall to stand for election?
Incubus
2024-05-01 16:20:11 UTC
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Post by JNugent
...it's all just part and parcel of living in a big city.
Who was it who said that?
And has he still got the gall to stand for election?
So they won't try and bring in further bans on swords?
JNugent
2024-05-01 23:31:55 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by JNugent
...it's all just part and parcel of living in a big city.
Who was it who said that?
And has he still got the gall to stand for election?
So they won't try and bring in further bans on swords?
Who won't?
Incubus
2024-05-02 13:55:52 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by Incubus
Post by JNugent
...it's all just part and parcel of living in a big city.
Who was it who said that?
And has he still got the gall to stand for election?
So they won't try and bring in further bans on swords?
Who won't?
Members of Parliament. You know, the people who govern us and sometimes
ban things after the latest moral panic has plateaued.
JNugent
2024-05-02 15:38:03 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by JNugent
Post by Incubus
Post by JNugent
...it's all just part and parcel of living in a big city.
Who was it who said that?
And has he still got the gall to stand for election?
So they won't try and bring in further bans on swords?
Who won't?
Members of Parliament. You know, the people who govern us and sometimes
ban things after the latest moral panic has plateaued.
There is already a crime of carrying a bladed article in public. It's
been on the books for quite some time.

The charges against this latest alleged perp include one of that offence.
Joe
2024-05-02 16:35:49 UTC
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On Thu, 2 May 2024 13:55:52 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Incubus
Post by JNugent
Post by Incubus
Post by JNugent
...it's all just part and parcel of living in a big city.
Who was it who said that?
And has he still got the gall to stand for election?
So they won't try and bring in further bans on swords?
Who won't?
Members of Parliament. You know, the people who govern us and
sometimes ban things after the latest moral panic has plateaued.
This is unfortunately the mentality of the lawyer, and most MPs are.

"People breaking a law? Then we must make *more* and *stronger* laws,
that they will also disobey."

No, they don't say the last bit out loud, but they are not so stupid
that they can't see it. What do lawyers make money from?
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Joe
Pancho
2024-05-03 14:03:22 UTC
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Post by JNugent
...it's all just part and parcel of living in a big city.
Who was it who said that?
And has he still got the gall to stand for election?
What is your point?

London does have a history of terrorist attacks. The IRA operations were
more frequent and disruptive. The current stuff is much less significant.
JNugent
2024-05-03 15:13:17 UTC
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Post by Pancho
Post by JNugent
...it's all just part and parcel of living in a big city.
Who was it who said that?
And has he still got the gall to stand for election?
What is your point?
London does have a history of terrorist attacks. The IRA operations were
more frequent and disruptive. The current stuff is much less significant.
Are you really trying to say he was right in effectively telling people
to just suck it up?
Pancho
2024-05-03 15:26:33 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by Pancho
Post by JNugent
...it's all just part and parcel of living in a big city.
Who was it who said that?
And has he still got the gall to stand for election?
What is your point?
London does have a history of terrorist attacks. The IRA operations
were more frequent and disruptive. The current stuff is much less
significant.
Are you really trying to say he was right in effectively telling people
to just suck it up?
Yes. That is what we have always done.

What is your alternative?
Joe
2024-05-03 15:36:24 UTC
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On Fri, 3 May 2024 16:26:33 +0100
Post by Pancho
Post by JNugent
Post by Pancho
Post by JNugent
...it's all just part and parcel of living in a big city.
Who was it who said that?
And has he still got the gall to stand for election?
What is your point?
London does have a history of terrorist attacks. The IRA
operations were more frequent and disruptive. The current stuff is
much less significant.
Are you really trying to say he was right in effectively telling
people to just suck it up?
Yes. That is what we have always done.
What is your alternative?
He could allow the Met to go back to previous levels of stop and
search. There seems to be no other way to discourage the carrying of
knives.
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Joe
Incubus
2024-05-03 15:56:41 UTC
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Post by Joe
On Fri, 3 May 2024 16:26:33 +0100
Post by Pancho
Post by JNugent
Post by Pancho
Post by JNugent
...it's all just part and parcel of living in a big city.
Who was it who said that?
And has he still got the gall to stand for election?
What is your point?
London does have a history of terrorist attacks. The IRA
operations were more frequent and disruptive. The current stuff is
much less significant.
Are you really trying to say he was right in effectively telling
people to just suck it up?
Yes. That is what we have always done.
What is your alternative?
He could allow the Met to go back to previous levels of stop and
search. There seems to be no other way to discourage the carrying of
knives.
Oh, but that would be racist. The fact that black people are 10 percent
of the population of London and commit something like 90 percent of all
knife crimes is whitey's fault due to muh oppression so stopping them
and searching them is systemic racism.
Joe
2024-05-03 16:12:52 UTC
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On Fri, 3 May 2024 15:56:41 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Incubus
Post by Joe
On Fri, 3 May 2024 16:26:33 +0100
Post by Pancho
Post by JNugent
Post by Pancho
Post by JNugent
...it's all just part and parcel of living in a big city.
Who was it who said that?
And has he still got the gall to stand for election?
What is your point?
London does have a history of terrorist attacks. The IRA
operations were more frequent and disruptive. The current stuff
is much less significant.
Are you really trying to say he was right in effectively telling
people to just suck it up?
Yes. That is what we have always done.
What is your alternative?
He could allow the Met to go back to previous levels of stop and
search. There seems to be no other way to discourage the carrying of
knives.
Oh, but that would be racist. The fact that black people are 10
percent of the population of London and commit something like 90
percent of all knife crimes is whitey's fault due to muh oppression
so stopping them and searching them is systemic racism.
Let a record of each search be kept, as I'm sure it already is. Mark
each record 'white' or 'non-white', and 'found' or 'not found'.

Set a quota for the ratio of white to non-white searches each week,
based on the running totals of 'white'+'found' and 'non-white'+'found'.

The procedure is now no longer based on race but on statistics,
something that bureaucrats love. For extra brownie points, call it
'game-theory-based with a goal of maximising the number of knives
removed from streets'.
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Joe
Pancho
2024-05-03 16:29:54 UTC
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Post by Joe
On Fri, 3 May 2024 16:26:33 +0100
Post by Pancho
Post by JNugent
Post by Pancho
Post by JNugent
...it's all just part and parcel of living in a big city.
Who was it who said that?
And has he still got the gall to stand for election?
What is your point?
London does have a history of terrorist attacks. The IRA
operations were more frequent and disruptive. The current stuff is
much less significant.
Are you really trying to say he was right in effectively telling
people to just suck it up?
Yes. That is what we have always done.
What is your alternative?
He could allow the Met to go back to previous levels of stop and
search. There seems to be no other way to discourage the carrying of
knives.
You appear to be confusing two issue. Khan's remarks were about
terrorism, not general knife crime.

The problem with stop and search was that half of young people take
illegal drugs. If you use stop and search to criminalise otherwise
law-abiding drug takers, you alienate a huge section of the population.

The obvious solution would be to only search for knives, ignore drugs.
That might even win local community support, who would see the benefit.
Unfortunately, the Met has traditionally been staffed with dogmatic
rather than pragmatic officers.
JNugent
2024-05-03 18:39:01 UTC
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Post by Joe
On Fri, 3 May 2024 16:26:33 +0100
Post by Pancho
Post by JNugent
Post by Pancho
Post by JNugent
...it's all just part and parcel of living in a big city.
Who was it who said that?
And has he still got the gall to stand for election?
What is your point?
London does have a history of terrorist attacks. The IRA
operations were more frequent and disruptive. The current stuff is
much less significant.
Are you really trying to say he was right in effectively telling
people to just suck it up?
Yes. That is what we have always done.
What is your alternative?
He could allow the Met to go back to previous levels of stop and
search. There seems to be no other way to discourage the carrying of
knives.
You appear to be confusing two issue. Khan's remarks were about
terrorism, not general knife crime.
The problem with stop and search was that half of young people take
illegal drugs. If you use stop and search to criminalise otherwise
law-abiding drug takers, you alienate a huge section of the population.
The obvious solution would be to only search for knives, ignore drugs.
That might even win local community support, who would see the benefit.
Unfortunately, the Met has traditionally been staffed with dogmatic
rather than pragmatic officers.
What, when it's at home, is a "law-abiding drug-taker"?

I assume you are not talking about those of use who take statins,
aspirin and beta-blockers.

JNugent
2024-05-03 18:37:09 UTC
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Post by Pancho
Post by JNugent
...it's all just part and parcel of living in a big city.
Who was it who said that?
And has he still got the gall to stand for election?
What is your point?
London does have a history of terrorist attacks. The IRA operations
were more frequent and disruptive. The current stuff is much less
significant.
Are you really trying to say he was right in effectively telling
people to just suck it up?
Yes. That is what we have always done.
Oh.

Right.

I didn't expect that level of honesty and candour.
Post by Pancho
What is your alternative?
A. Filip
2024-05-03 16:17:37 UTC
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Post by JNugent
...it's all just part and parcel of living in a big city.
Who was it who said that?
And has he still got the gall to stand for election?
Nobody is perfect but some people are less perfect than others.
You do not have to be good. It's enough to be the best
(available choice).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3801018/Terror-attacks-parcel-living-big-city-claims-London-mayor-Sadiq-Khan.html
Post by JNugent
Terror attacks are 'part and parcel of living in a big city', claims
London mayor Sadiq Khan
+ Sadiq Khan, Mayor of London, is on a tour of New York and Chicago
+ He was in Manhattan on Saturday when a bomb went off on 23rd Street
+ Mr Khan said: 'We have got to be prepared for these sorts of things'
Published: 21 September 2016
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A. Filip
| A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the
| better lawyer. (Robert Frost)
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