starmer's economic and sociail madness - vat on schooling

[abelard]

recommended reading...

"We note in Appendix 1 that a 23% VAT on education in Greece (in
apparent contravention of EU law) caused, according to The
Economist,17 “general mayhem” for exactly the reasons we outline
here: migration into the overburdened state sector, school closures,
job losses, tax avoidance, and a “gap between theory and practice”.
The implementation was scrutinised in the European Parliament,
where it was noted as “likely to cause financial hardship to thousands
of families”.18 Any review of the effect of VAT seems incomplete
without mention of the Greek experience."
[p. 10, Short-Term Thinking: Analysing the Effect of Applying VAT to
School Fees, Adam Smith Institute, 17/3/2024; link to 38-page pdf
https://shorturl.at/brMZ3]

this paper is a reaonable summary of the variable and inevitable
innumeracy of socialists,
driven by envy and wishful thinking over
analysis and pragmatism.....

god help britain if they elect starmer and his band of fantassts.....

[Farmer Giles]

Post by abelard
recommended reading...
"We note in Appendix 1 that a 23% VAT on education in Greece (in
apparent contravention of EU law) caused, according to The
Economist,17 “general mayhem” for exactly the reasons we outline
here: migration into the overburdened state sector, school closures,
job losses, tax avoidance, and a “gap between theory and practice”.
The implementation was scrutinised in the European Parliament,
where it was noted as “likely to cause financial hardship to thousands
of families”.18 Any review of the effect of VAT seems incomplete
without mention of the Greek experience."
[p. 10, Short-Term Thinking: Analysing the Effect of Applying VAT to
School Fees, Adam Smith Institute, 17/3/2024; link to 38-page pdf
https://shorturl.at/brMZ3]
this paper is a reaonable summary of the variable and inevitable
innumeracy of socialists,
driven by envy and wishful thinking over
analysis and pragmatism.....
god help britain if they elect starmer and his band of fantassts.....

Anyone who wonders why this newsgroup has gone to pot need not look much
further than idiots like Babbelard with his numerous crosspostings. Just
like at this thread for an example.

[Joe]

On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 18:22:04 +0000

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by abelard
recommended reading...
"We note in Appendix 1 that a 23% VAT on education in Greece (in
apparent contravention of EU law) caused, according to The
Economist,17 “general mayhem” for exactly the reasons we outline
here: migration into the overburdened state sector, school closures,
job losses, tax avoidance, and a “gap between theory and practice”.
The implementation was scrutinised in the European Parliament,
where it was noted as “likely to cause financial hardship to
thousands of families”.18 Any review of the effect of VAT seems
incomplete without mention of the Greek experience."
[p. 10, Short-Term Thinking: Analysing the Effect of Applying VAT
to School Fees, Adam Smith Institute, 17/3/2024; link to 38-page pdf
https://shorturl.at/brMZ3]
this paper is a reaonable summary of the variable and inevitable
innumeracy of socialists,
driven by envy and wishful thinking over
analysis and pragmatism.....
god help britain if they elect starmer and his band of
fantassts.....

Anyone who wonders why this newsgroup has gone to pot need not look
much further than idiots like Babbelard with his numerous
crosspostings. Just like at this thread for an example.

Err... he's one of the few who do actually try to keep this group
alive. You need to be complaining about the people who post off-topic
politics in other newsgroups rather than here.

[Farmer Giles]

Post by Joe
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 18:22:04 +0000

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by abelard
recommended reading...
"We note in Appendix 1 that a 23% VAT on education in Greece (in
apparent contravention of EU law) caused, according to The
Economist,17 “general mayhem” for exactly the reasons we outline
here: migration into the overburdened state sector, school closures,
job losses, tax avoidance, and a “gap between theory and practice”.
The implementation was scrutinised in the European Parliament,
where it was noted as “likely to cause financial hardship to
thousands of families”.18 Any review of the effect of VAT seems
incomplete without mention of the Greek experience."
[p. 10, Short-Term Thinking: Analysing the Effect of Applying VAT
to School Fees, Adam Smith Institute, 17/3/2024; link to 38-page pdf
https://shorturl.at/brMZ3]
this paper is a reaonable summary of the variable and inevitable
innumeracy of socialists,
driven by envy and wishful thinking over
analysis and pragmatism.....
god help britain if they elect starmer and his band of
fantassts.....

Anyone who wonders why this newsgroup has gone to pot need not look
much further than idiots like Babbelard with his numerous
crosspostings. Just like at this thread for an example.

Err... he's one of the few who do actually try to keep this group
alive. You need to be complaining about the people who post off-topic
politics in other newsgroups rather than here.

I don't bother much with other newsgroups so I wouldn't know much about
that.

Surely one of the reasons for the decline in this newsgroup is the
amount of spam posted here, and multiple crossposting will only tend to
bring those idiots in.

Whether or not Babbelard helps to keep this ng alive is moot when most
of his posts are meaningless rubbish.

[Joe]

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 07:07:59 +0000

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 18:22:04 +0000

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by abelard
recommended reading...
"We note in Appendix 1 that a 23% VAT on education in Greece (in
apparent contravention of EU law) caused, according to The
Economist,17 “general mayhem” for exactly the reasons we outline
here: migration into the overburdened state sector, school
closures, job losses, tax avoidance, and a “gap between theory
and practice”. The implementation was scrutinised in the European
Parliament, where it was noted as “likely to cause financial
hardship to thousands of families”.18 Any review of the effect of
VAT seems incomplete without mention of the Greek experience."
[p. 10, Short-Term Thinking: Analysing the Effect of Applying
VAT to School Fees, Adam Smith Institute, 17/3/2024; link to
38-page pdf https://shorturl.at/brMZ3]
this paper is a reaonable summary of the variable and inevitable
innumeracy of socialists,
driven by envy and wishful thinking over
analysis and pragmatism.....
god help britain if they elect starmer and his band of
fantassts.....

Anyone who wonders why this newsgroup has gone to pot need not look
much further than idiots like Babbelard with his numerous
crosspostings. Just like at this thread for an example.

Err... he's one of the few who do actually try to keep this group
alive. You need to be complaining about the people who post
off-topic politics in other newsgroups rather than here.

I don't bother much with other newsgroups so I wouldn't know much
about that.
Surely one of the reasons for the decline in this newsgroup is the
amount of spam posted here, and multiple crossposting will only tend
to bring those idiots in.

Yes, I have a lot of filter rules, but I only make about one new one a
month. It's under control.

Post by Farmer Giles
Whether or not Babbelard helps to keep this ng alive is moot when
most of his posts are meaningless rubbish.

We can always guarantee a second post from you...

[Andy Walker]

Post by Joe

Post by Farmer Giles
Surely one of the reasons for the decline in this newsgroup is the
amount of spam posted here, and multiple crossposting will only tend
to bring those idiots in.

That's more of a bar to new readers than a cause for existing
readers to depart. Granted that is a serious bar.

Post by Joe
Yes, I have a lot of filter rules, but I only make about one new one a
month.

I have quite few and doubt whether I have changed them even once
a year. I currently have:

one rule "junk if newsgroups contains alt"
two rules of form "junk if subject contains ..."
six rules targeting specific spamming posters
three rules targeting specific other headers

About one spam message per month gets through; the only non-spam poster
who gets blocked seems to be Abelard when he cross-posts to alt groups
[plus, of course, any serious replies similarly cross-posted].

Perhaps we could encourage [eg] "uk.l.m" posters to migrate here
if there was a way of setting them up with a standard KF which would have
to be kept secret[-ish] from the spammers. But there isn't. Another
might be to cross-post between serious[-ish] groups when they start
talking about Brexit or whatever.

[Pancho]

Post by Joe

Post by Farmer Giles
Surely one of the reasons for the decline in this newsgroup is the
amount of spam posted here, and multiple crossposting will only tend
to bring those idiots in.

    That's more of a bar to new readers than a cause for existing
readers to depart.  Granted that is a serious bar.

Post by Joe
Yes, I have a lot of filter rules, but I only make about one new one a
month.

    I have quite few and doubt whether I have changed them even once
  one rule "junk if newsgroups contains alt"
  two rules of form "junk if subject contains ..."
  six rules targeting specific spamming posters
  three rules targeting specific other headers

I have pretty much the same, I block alt for just ukpm, that is my only
specific ukpm filter.

I block about the same numbers as you in my universal filter. I also
block soc.*,talk.*,can.*,sac.* universally.

abelard's original post didn't make it through my filter.

About one spam message per month gets through;  the only non-spam poster
who gets blocked seems to be Abelard when he cross-posts to alt groups
[plus, of course, any serious replies similarly cross-posted].
    Perhaps we could encourage [eg] "uk.l.m" posters to migrate here
if there was a way of setting them up with a standard KF which would have
to be kept secret[-ish] from the spammers.  But there isn't.  Another
might be to cross-post between serious[-ish] groups when they start
talking about Brexit or whatever.

The ulm crowd don't want to post here. They didn't even want a moderated
politics group.

The thing that depresses me is not that usenet is dying, but that there
is no similar/suitable replacement forums.

It would be good to have an open, distributed, anonymous, uncensored
forums, but it would also need some kind of community reputation filtering.

[Farmer Giles]

Post by Joe
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 07:07:59 +0000

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 18:22:04 +0000

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by abelard
recommended reading...
"We note in Appendix 1 that a 23% VAT on education in Greece (in
apparent contravention of EU law) caused, according to The
Economist,17 “general mayhem” for exactly the reasons we outline
here: migration into the overburdened state sector, school
closures, job losses, tax avoidance, and a “gap between theory
and practice”. The implementation was scrutinised in the European
Parliament, where it was noted as “likely to cause financial
hardship to thousands of families”.18 Any review of the effect of
VAT seems incomplete without mention of the Greek experience."
[p. 10, Short-Term Thinking: Analysing the Effect of Applying
VAT to School Fees, Adam Smith Institute, 17/3/2024; link to
38-page pdf https://shorturl.at/brMZ3]
this paper is a reaonable summary of the variable and inevitable
innumeracy of socialists,
driven by envy and wishful thinking over
analysis and pragmatism.....
god help britain if they elect starmer and his band of
fantassts.....

Anyone who wonders why this newsgroup has gone to pot need not look
much further than idiots like Babbelard with his numerous
crosspostings. Just like at this thread for an example.

Err... he's one of the few who do actually try to keep this group
alive. You need to be complaining about the people who post
off-topic politics in other newsgroups rather than here.

I don't bother much with other newsgroups so I wouldn't know much
about that.
Surely one of the reasons for the decline in this newsgroup is the
amount of spam posted here, and multiple crossposting will only tend
to bring those idiots in.

Yes, I have a lot of filter rules, but I only make about one new one a
month. It's under control.

Post by Farmer Giles
Whether or not Babbelard helps to keep this ng alive is moot when
most of his posts are meaningless rubbish.

We can always guarantee a second post from you...

I don't think so.

I'm puzzled as to why you defend him. I regard you as one of the more
intelligent posters here, but Babbelard as an absolute moron - as well
as being a very dodgy character to boot.

His mate, that other creep, Nugent is about the same.

[JNugent]

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 07:07:59 +0000

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by Joe
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 18:22:04 +0000

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by abelard
recommended reading...
"We note in Appendix 1 that a 23% VAT on education in Greece (in
apparent contravention of EU law) caused, according to The
Economist,17 “general mayhem” for exactly the reasons we outline
here: migration into the overburdened state sector, school
closures, job losses, tax avoidance, and a “gap between theory
and practice”. The implementation was scrutinised in the European
Parliament, where it was noted as “likely to cause financial
hardship to thousands of families”.18 Any review of the effect of
VAT seems incomplete without mention of the Greek experience."
    [p. 10, Short-Term Thinking: Analysing the Effect of Applying
VAT to School Fees, Adam Smith Institute, 17/3/2024; link to
38-page pdf https://shorturl.at/brMZ3]
this paper is a reaonable summary of the variable and inevitable
        innumeracy of socialists,
       driven by envy and wishful thinking over
       analysis and pragmatism.....
god help britain if they elect starmer and his band of
fantassts.....

Anyone who wonders why this newsgroup has gone to pot need not look
much further than idiots like Babbelard with his numerous
crosspostings. Just like at this thread for an example.

Err... he's one of the few who do actually try to keep this group
alive. You need to be complaining about the people who post
off-topic politics in other newsgroups rather than here.

I don't bother much with other newsgroups so I wouldn't know much
about that.
Surely one of the reasons for the decline in this newsgroup is the
amount of spam posted here, and multiple crossposting will only tend
to bring those idiots in.

Yes, I have a lot of filter rules, but I only make about one new one a
month. It's under control.

Post by Farmer Giles
Whether or not Babbelard helps to keep this ng alive is moot when
most of his posts are meaningless rubbish.

We can always guarantee a second post from you...

I don't think so.
I'm puzzled as to why you defend him. I regard you as one of the more
intelligent posters here, but Babbelard as an absolute moron - as well
as being a very dodgy character to boot.
His mate, that other creep, Nugent is about the same.

LOL!

What a pity it is that you can't bothered to assemble actual valid
arguments for use in discussion and have to rely upon ad-homs (like the
liberal left does).

I'm being charitable enough in the first instance to assume that you
could do so if you tried.

[JNugent]

Post by Joe

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by abelard
recommended reading...
"We note in Appendix 1 that a 23% VAT on education in Greece (in
apparent contravention of EU law) caused, according to The
Economist,17 “general mayhem” for exactly the reasons we outline
here: migration into the overburdened state sector, school closures,
job losses, tax avoidance, and a “gap between theory and practice”.
The implementation was scrutinised in the European Parliament,
where it was noted as “likely to cause financial hardship to
thousands of families”.18 Any review of the effect of VAT seems
incomplete without mention of the Greek experience."
[p. 10, Short-Term Thinking: Analysing the Effect of Applying VAT
to School Fees, Adam Smith Institute, 17/3/2024; link to 38-page pdf
https://shorturl.at/brMZ3]
this paper is a reaonable summary of the variable and inevitable
innumeracy of socialists,
driven by envy and wishful thinking over
analysis and pragmatism.....
god help britain if they elect starmer and his band of
fantassts.....

Anyone who wonders why this newsgroup has gone to pot need not look
much further than idiots like Babbelard with his numerous
crosspostings. Just like at this thread for an example.

Err... he's one of the few who do actually try to keep this group
alive. You need to be complaining about the people who post off-topic
politics in other newsgroups rather than here.

Well said.

[JNugent]

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by abelard
recommended reading...
"We note in Appendix 1 that a 23% VAT on education in Greece (in
apparent contravention of EU law) caused, according to The
Economist,17 “general mayhem” for exactly the reasons we outline
here: migration into the overburdened state sector, school closures,
job losses, tax avoidance, and a “gap between theory and practice”.
The implementation was scrutinised in the European Parliament,
where it was noted as “likely to cause financial hardship to thousands
of families”.18 Any review of the effect of VAT seems incomplete
without mention of the Greek experience."
  [p. 10, Short-Term Thinking: Analysing the Effect of Applying VAT to
School Fees, Adam Smith Institute, 17/3/2024; link to 38-page pdf
https://shorturl.at/brMZ3]
this paper is a reaonable summary of the variable and inevitable
      innumeracy of socialists,
     driven by envy and wishful thinking over
     analysis and pragmatism.....
god help britain if they elect starmer and his band of fantassts.....

Anyone who wonders why this newsgroup has gone to pot need not look much
further than idiots like Babbelard with his numerous crosspostings. Just
like at this thread for an example.

What is wrong with the premise that a threatened policy has been shown
to have had unintended and undesirable effects in a territory where it
has already been enacted and implemented?

[abelard]

Post by JNugent

Post by Farmer Giles

Post by abelard
recommended reading...
"We note in Appendix 1 that a 23% VAT on education in Greece (in
apparent contravention of EU law) caused, according to The
Economist,17 “general mayhem” for exactly the reasons we outline
here: migration into the overburdened state sector, school closures,
job losses, tax avoidance, and a “gap between theory and practice”.
The implementation was scrutinised in the European Parliament,
where it was noted as “likely to cause financial hardship to thousands
of families”.18 Any review of the effect of VAT seems incomplete
without mention of the Greek experience."
  [p. 10, Short-Term Thinking: Analysing the Effect of Applying VAT to
School Fees, Adam Smith Institute, 17/3/2024; link to 38-page pdf
https://shorturl.at/brMZ3]
this paper is a reaonable summary of the variable and inevitable
      innumeracy of socialists,
     driven by envy and wishful thinking over
     analysis and pragmatism.....
god help britain if they elect starmer and his band of fantassts.....

Anyone who wonders why this newsgroup has gone to pot need not look much
further than idiots like Babbelard with his numerous crosspostings. Just
like at this thread for an example.

What is wrong with the premise that a threatened policy has been shown
to have had unintended and undesirable effects in a territory where it
has already been enacted and implemented?

swedehead is thick...simple
i doubt s/he is british