Dodgy Dave

Post by Farmer Giles
Dodgy Dave, our unelected and imposed-upon-us Foreign Secretary - and
AKA, according to the leader of the resident idiots here, 'The best
Prime Minister since Churchill' - has been caught out again.
No, this time it's nothing to do with interfering with dead porkies -
although 'porkies' are very much involved - for 'call me Dave' has shown
himself to be very much a 'Friend of Israel' to the extent of telling
great big whoppers on their behalf.
Not that they need it, of course, having recently given more than ample
evidence that when it comes to telling fibs they have an abundant
ability in that department.
So much of a friend of Israel, although alas not a friend of Britain,
that he has gone to great lengths to hide the truth about the breaking
of international laws and war crimes while at the same time putting this
country once again on the wrong side of history and guilty of complicity
in these appalling and shameful crimes against humanity.

I see that the corrupt bastard is now over in the US trying to drum up
support for more bombs for Ukraine. The creep couldn't be more
transparent if he tried.

I'm sure he's being well rewarded, and no wonder Babbelard loves him.

Pancho

2024-04-09 17:18:38 UTC

Post by Farmer Giles
Dodgy Dave, our unelected and imposed-upon-us Foreign Secretary - and
AKA, according to the leader of the resident idiots here, 'The best
Prime Minister since Churchill' - has been caught out again.
No, this time it's nothing to do with interfering with dead porkies -
although 'porkies' are very much involved - for 'call me Dave' has
shown himself to be very much a 'Friend of Israel' to the extent of
telling great big whoppers on their behalf.
Not that they need it, of course, having recently given more than
ample evidence that when it comes to telling fibs they have an
abundant ability in that department.
So much of a friend of Israel, although alas not a friend of Britain,
that he has gone to great lengths to hide the truth about the breaking
of international laws and war crimes while at the same time putting
this country once again on the wrong side of history and guilty of
complicity in these appalling and shameful crimes against humanity.

I see that the corrupt bastard is now over in the US trying to drum up
support for more bombs for Ukraine. The creep couldn't be more
transparent if he tried.
I'm sure he's being well rewarded, and no wonder Babbelard loves him.

The thing is, who is better than Dave?

Farmer Giles

2024-04-09 18:04:19 UTC

Post by Farmer Giles
Dodgy Dave, our unelected and imposed-upon-us Foreign Secretary - and
AKA, according to the leader of the resident idiots here, 'The best
Prime Minister since Churchill' - has been caught out again.
No, this time it's nothing to do with interfering with dead porkies -
although 'porkies' are very much involved - for 'call me Dave' has
shown himself to be very much a 'Friend of Israel' to the extent of
telling great big whoppers on their behalf.
Not that they need it, of course, having recently given more than
ample evidence that when it comes to telling fibs they have an
abundant ability in that department.
So much of a friend of Israel, although alas not a friend of Britain,
that he has gone to great lengths to hide the truth about the
breaking of international laws and war crimes while at the same time
putting this country once again on the wrong side of history and
guilty of complicity in these appalling and shameful crimes against
humanity.

I see that the corrupt bastard is now over in the US trying to drum up
support for more bombs for Ukraine. The creep couldn't be more
transparent if he tried.
I'm sure he's being well rewarded, and no wonder Babbelard loves him.

The thing is, who is better than Dave?

Someone honest - which probably rules out most politicians.

Pancho

2024-04-09 18:18:18 UTC

Post by Farmer Giles
Dodgy Dave, our unelected and imposed-upon-us Foreign Secretary -
and AKA, according to the leader of the resident idiots here, 'The
best Prime Minister since Churchill' - has been caught out again.
No, this time it's nothing to do with interfering with dead porkies
- although 'porkies' are very much involved - for 'call me Dave' has
shown himself to be very much a 'Friend of Israel' to the extent of
telling great big whoppers on their behalf.
Not that they need it, of course, having recently given more than
ample evidence that when it comes to telling fibs they have an
abundant ability in that department.
So much of a friend of Israel, although alas not a friend of
Britain, that he has gone to great lengths to hide the truth about
the breaking of international laws and war crimes while at the same
time putting this country once again on the wrong side of history
and guilty of complicity in these appalling and shameful crimes
against humanity.

I see that the corrupt bastard is now over in the US trying to drum
up support for more bombs for Ukraine. The creep couldn't be more
transparent if he tried.
I'm sure he's being well rewarded, and no wonder Babbelard loves him.

The thing is, who is better than Dave?

Someone honest - which probably rules out most politicians.

I'm not convinced about honesty. I think Corbyn was relatively honest,
but he made a bad leader. I think May was too honest, and the country
paid the price.

I rather admired Boris, clearly a liar, but he played the political game
well, prior to the 2019 election, he did what need to be done. I think
the tragedy of Boris was that he was too successful in the Brexit campaign.

Farmer Giles

2024-04-09 19:21:18 UTC

Post by Farmer Giles
Dodgy Dave, our unelected and imposed-upon-us Foreign Secretary -
and AKA, according to the leader of the resident idiots here, 'The
best Prime Minister since Churchill' - has been caught out again.
No, this time it's nothing to do with interfering with dead porkies
- although 'porkies' are very much involved - for 'call me Dave'
has shown himself to be very much a 'Friend of Israel' to the
extent of telling great big whoppers on their behalf.
Not that they need it, of course, having recently given more than
ample evidence that when it comes to telling fibs they have an
abundant ability in that department.
So much of a friend of Israel, although alas not a friend of
Britain, that he has gone to great lengths to hide the truth about
the breaking of international laws and war crimes while at the same
time putting this country once again on the wrong side of history
and guilty of complicity in these appalling and shameful crimes
against humanity.

I see that the corrupt bastard is now over in the US trying to drum
up support for more bombs for Ukraine. The creep couldn't be more
transparent if he tried.
I'm sure he's being well rewarded, and no wonder Babbelard loves him.

The thing is, who is better than Dave?

Someone honest - which probably rules out most politicians.

I'm not convinced about honesty. I think Corbyn was relatively honest,
but he made a bad leader. I think May was too honest, and the country
paid the price.
I rather admired Boris, clearly a liar, but he played the political game
well, prior to the 2019 election, he did what need to be done. I think
the tragedy of Boris was that he was too successful in the Brexit campaign.

Honesty is a requirement for a good and decent leader, but not the only one.

Pancho

2024-04-13 11:40:27 UTC

Post by Farmer Giles
Dodgy Dave, our unelected and imposed-upon-us Foreign Secretary -
and AKA, according to the leader of the resident idiots here, 'The
best Prime Minister since Churchill' - has been caught out again.
No, this time it's nothing to do with interfering with dead
porkies - although 'porkies' are very much involved - for 'call me
Dave' has shown himself to be very much a 'Friend of Israel' to
the extent of telling great big whoppers on their behalf.
Not that they need it, of course, having recently given more than
ample evidence that when it comes to telling fibs they have an
abundant ability in that department.
So much of a friend of Israel, although alas not a friend of
Britain, that he has gone to great lengths to hide the truth about
the breaking of international laws and war crimes while at the
same time putting this country once again on the wrong side of
history and guilty of complicity in these appalling and shameful
crimes against humanity.

I see that the corrupt bastard is now over in the US trying to drum
up support for more bombs for Ukraine. The creep couldn't be more
transparent if he tried.
I'm sure he's being well rewarded, and no wonder Babbelard loves him.

The thing is, who is better than Dave?

Someone honest - which probably rules out most politicians.

I'm not convinced about honesty. I think Corbyn was relatively honest,
but he made a bad leader. I think May was too honest, and the country
paid the price.
I rather admired Boris, clearly a liar, but he played the political
game well, prior to the 2019 election, he did what need to be done. I
think the tragedy of Boris was that he was too successful in the
Brexit campaign.

Honesty is a requirement for a good and decent leader, but not the only one.

I see Harold Wilson was in the news this week for having an affair with
a young woman from his support staff. Joe Haines referred to Wilson
being habitually “indirect”.

So, I'm just wondering what a good and decent leader looks like? Have we
ever had one? If not, why not?

JNugent

2024-04-13 12:30:46 UTC

Post by Farmer Giles
Dodgy Dave, our unelected and imposed-upon-us Foreign Secretary -
and AKA, according to the leader of the resident idiots here,
'The best Prime Minister since Churchill' - has been caught out
again.
No, this time it's nothing to do with interfering with dead
porkies - although 'porkies' are very much involved - for 'call
me Dave' has shown himself to be very much a 'Friend of Israel'
to the extent of telling great big whoppers on their behalf.
Not that they need it, of course, having recently given more than
ample evidence that when it comes to telling fibs they have an
abundant ability in that department.
So much of a friend of Israel, although alas not a friend of
Britain, that he has gone to great lengths to hide the truth
about the breaking of international laws and war crimes while at
the same time putting this country once again on the wrong side
of history and guilty of complicity in these appalling and
shameful crimes against humanity.

I see that the corrupt bastard is now over in the US trying to
drum up support for more bombs for Ukraine. The creep couldn't be
more transparent if he tried.
I'm sure he's being well rewarded, and no wonder Babbelard loves him.

The thing is, who is better than Dave?

Someone honest - which probably rules out most politicians.

I'm not convinced about honesty. I think Corbyn was relatively
honest, but he made a bad leader. I think May was too honest, and the
country paid the price.
I rather admired Boris, clearly a liar, but he played the political
game well, prior to the 2019 election, he did what need to be done. I
think the tragedy of Boris was that he was too successful in the
Brexit campaign.

Honesty is a requirement for a good and decent leader, but not the only one.

I see Harold Wilson was in the news this week for having an affair with
a young woman from his support staff. Joe Haines referred to Wilson
being habitually “indirect”.
So, I'm just wondering what a good and decent leader looks like? Have we
ever had one? If not, why not?

Despite their party affiliations, I'd say that Wilson and Callaghan
weren't so bad on the "decency" index. Same for John Major. And
MacMillan and Douglas-Home, of course.

Who cares about any beans spilled nearly fifty years after the event?

Certainly not I.

Joe

2024-04-13 13:01:03 UTC

On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 12:40:27 +0100

Post by Farmer Giles
Dodgy Dave, our unelected and imposed-upon-us Foreign
Secretary - and AKA, according to the leader of the resident
idiots here, 'The best Prime Minister since Churchill' - has
been caught out again.
No, this time it's nothing to do with interfering with dead
porkies - although 'porkies' are very much involved - for
'call me Dave' has shown himself to be very much a 'Friend of
Israel' to the extent of telling great big whoppers on their
behalf.
Not that they need it, of course, having recently given more
than ample evidence that when it comes to telling fibs they
have an abundant ability in that department.
So much of a friend of Israel, although alas not a friend of
Britain, that he has gone to great lengths to hide the truth
about the breaking of international laws and war crimes while
at the same time putting this country once again on the wrong
side of history and guilty of complicity in these appalling
and shameful crimes against humanity.

I see that the corrupt bastard is now over in the US trying to
drum up support for more bombs for Ukraine. The creep couldn't
be more transparent if he tried.
I'm sure he's being well rewarded, and no wonder Babbelard loves him.

The thing is, who is better than Dave?

Someone honest - which probably rules out most politicians.

I'm not convinced about honesty. I think Corbyn was relatively
honest, but he made a bad leader. I think May was too honest, and
the country paid the price.
I rather admired Boris, clearly a liar, but he played the
political game well, prior to the 2019 election, he did what need
to be done. I think the tragedy of Boris was that he was too
successful in the Brexit campaign.

Honesty is a requirement for a good and decent leader, but not the only one.

I see Harold Wilson was in the news this week for having an affair
with a young woman from his support staff. Joe Haines referred to
Wilson being habitually “indirect”.
So, I'm just wondering what a good and decent leader looks like? Have
we ever had one? If not, why not?

Because good and decent people don't get selected as Parliamentary
candidates. Only people the party whips can control are selected.

And good and decent people, should they somehow arrive in Parliament,
have too much self-respect to do the crawling and back-stabbing
necessary to climb the greasy pole, as Yes Minister put it.

They're also mostly lawyers, who have spent their careers lying for
money.

--
Joe

Farmer Giles

2024-04-13 15:38:10 UTC

Post by Farmer Giles
Dodgy Dave, our unelected and imposed-upon-us Foreign Secretary -
and AKA, according to the leader of the resident idiots here,
'The best Prime Minister since Churchill' - has been caught out
again.
No, this time it's nothing to do with interfering with dead
porkies - although 'porkies' are very much involved - for 'call
me Dave' has shown himself to be very much a 'Friend of Israel'
to the extent of telling great big whoppers on their behalf.
Not that they need it, of course, having recently given more than
ample evidence that when it comes to telling fibs they have an
abundant ability in that department.
So much of a friend of Israel, although alas not a friend of
Britain, that he has gone to great lengths to hide the truth
about the breaking of international laws and war crimes while at
the same time putting this country once again on the wrong side
of history and guilty of complicity in these appalling and
shameful crimes against humanity.

I see that the corrupt bastard is now over in the US trying to
drum up support for more bombs for Ukraine. The creep couldn't be
more transparent if he tried.
I'm sure he's being well rewarded, and no wonder Babbelard loves him.

The thing is, who is better than Dave?

Someone honest - which probably rules out most politicians.

I'm not convinced about honesty. I think Corbyn was relatively
honest, but he made a bad leader. I think May was too honest, and the
country paid the price.
I rather admired Boris, clearly a liar, but he played the political
game well, prior to the 2019 election, he did what need to be done. I
think the tragedy of Boris was that he was too successful in the
Brexit campaign.

Honesty is a requirement for a good and decent leader, but not the only one.

I see Harold Wilson was in the news this week for having an affair with
a young woman from his support staff. Joe Haines referred to Wilson
being habitually “indirect”.
So, I'm just wondering what a good and decent leader looks like? Have we
ever had one? If not, why not?

I'm not sure that Joe Haines could always be trusted to be entirely
objective about things. Wilson had his flaws, but on the decency index
would be head and shoulders above anything we've had for many years.

I have always regarded James Callaghan as a decent man, and very much
underrated as a leader. I would be hard pressed to think of many, or
any, others that would qualify.

Most people base their perceptions of political leaders on what is
reported in the dishonest media. Churchill has generally had a good
press, but Roosevelt's description of him is nearer the truth - he often
referred to him as 'that drunken bum'.

Incubus

2024-04-10 10:45:11 UTC

I see that the corrupt bastard is now over in the US trying to drum up
support for more bombs for Ukraine. The creep couldn't be more
transparent if he tried.
I'm sure he's being well rewarded, and no wonder Babbelard loves him.

I was reading about Ukrainian refugees travelling back to the Ukraine in
order to get dental work done. It's a bit like all the "refugees" we
have from Afghanistan, Somalia etc. who travel back to their homeland
even while waiting to be given refugee status.

It's also funny how our media constantly talks about the threat of the
"far right" yet are quite happy for Ukrainian neo Nazis to receive
funding, weapons and ammunition.

"Peacekeeping" - it's okay when we do it but not okay for Russia.

abelard

2024-04-12 17:28:29 UTC

Post by Incubus

I see that the corrupt bastard is now over in the US trying to drum up
support for more bombs for Ukraine. The creep couldn't be more
transparent if he tried.
I'm sure he's being well rewarded, and no wonder Babbelard loves him.

I was reading about Ukrainian refugees travelling back to the Ukraine in
order to get dental work done. It's a bit like all the "refugees" we
have from Afghanistan, Somalia etc. who travel back to their homeland
even while waiting to be given refugee status.
It's also funny how our media constantly talks about the threat of the
"far right" yet are quite happy for Ukrainian neo Nazis to receive
funding, weapons and ammunition.

you seem confused

what do you 'understand' by nazi....short for national socialist
i'll refer tothe definition of mosely

The National Socialist creed of British Union says to our countrymen,
If you love our country you are national, and if you love our people
you are socialist.
[Quoted from Tomorrow we live - British Union Policy, 1938, the
manifesto of the British Union Party]

Post by Incubus
"Peacekeeping" - it's okay when we do it but not okay for Russia.

russia...allies of national socialist germany until adolf decided
he wanted a bigger empire

please clarify your comments

Incubus

2024-04-10 10:40:00 UTC

Just imagine if the UK, US et al stopped funding the apartheid state.
It would collapse within a generation or two and the other middle
eastern countries would be at each others' throats.

Of course, that won't happen because said apartheid state has installed
a sizeable lobby in each country that it controls.

Farmer Giles

2024-04-10 12:38:46 UTC

Post by Incubus

Just imagine if the UK, US et al stopped funding the apartheid state.
It would collapse within a generation or two and the other middle
eastern countries would be at each others' throats.
Of course, that won't happen because said apartheid state has installed
a sizeable lobby in each country that it controls.

Indeed, and as you well know, there is also the control of the money
supply.

abelard

2024-04-12 17:58:09 UTC

Just imagine if the UK, US et al stopped funding the apatheid state.
It would collapse within a generation or two and the other middle
eastern countries would be at each others' throats.
Of course, that won't happen because said apartheid state has installed
a sizeable lobby in each country that it controls.

stalin tried to set up apartheid states throughout his socialist
empire...eg sending ukrainian speakers to the ukraine
and similar acts all around his empire

he also sought to starve millions in the ukraine...look up holodamor

meanwhile my impression was that your ambitions are similar in
avoiding 'multiculturism'

again, please clarify your ambitions

Farmer Giles

2024-04-12 21:11:29 UTC