Discussion:
Do British Veterans Regret Fighting World War 2?
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D. Ray
2024-09-08 19:56:20 UTC
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The idea that fighting World War 2 was a good thing is immediately taken
for granted and if you dare oppose that narrative then you are viewed as
some kind of evil extremist. This applies to generation after generation.
The veterans themselves, however, are seemingly never asked. What does that
brave generation of the war years really think? They blindly sacrificed
everything for Britain in what they at the time believed to be a just
cause. Do they still believe this? Do they regret it? Let's cut through the
postwar propaganda and hear the views of the men themselves. Their
generation, at the very least, tells it how they see it.


Farmer Giles
2024-09-09 05:57:44 UTC
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Post by D. Ray
The idea that fighting World War 2 was a good thing is immediately taken
for granted and if you dare oppose that narrative then you are viewed as
some kind of evil extremist. This applies to generation after generation.
The veterans themselves, however, are seemingly never asked. What does that
brave generation of the war years really think? They blindly sacrificed
everything for Britain in what they at the time believed to be a just
cause. Do they still believe this? Do they regret it? Let's cut through the
postwar propaganda and hear the views of the men themselves. Their
generation, at the very least, tells it how they see it.
http://youtu.be/c4W61ZKj4I4
I don't have time to watch that video, but I will say this:

I grew up in the 1950s - born in the 1940s - so was surrounded by WWII
veterans. I don't recall any of them expressing regrets about fighting
the war in those days, nor do I remember anyone being particularly
anti-German.

However, thirty years later things were different, and I do remember
many saying then that we had fought on the wrong side, and that they
wouldn't do it again.

They were misled, the country was misled - and largely by that crook
Churchill.

When I was child we celebrated winning the war, without realising that
we had in fact lost it.
A. Filip
2024-09-09 06:35:51 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
[…]
I grew up in the 1950s - born in the 1940s - so was surrounded by WWII
veterans. I don't recall any of them expressing regrets about fighting
the war in those days, nor do I remember anyone being particularly
anti-German.
However, thirty years later things were different, and I do remember
many saying then that we had fought on the wrong side, and that they
wouldn't do it again.
They were misled, the country was misled - and largely by that crook
Churchill.
When I was child we celebrated winning the war, without realising that
we had in fact lost it.
De gustibus non est disputandum.

Long time perspective can change a lot.
Can you at very least see difference between "slow fading away"
(decades with some chances for reversal) and "pretty fast end"
(a few+ years)?

*WHEN* "point of no return" had been crossed according to you?
"Peace for our time" failed.
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A. Filip
| All the passions make us commit faults; love makes us commit the
| most ridiculous ones. (La Rochefoucauld)
Farmer Giles
2024-09-09 16:41:02 UTC
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Post by A. Filip
Post by Farmer Giles
[…]
I grew up in the 1950s - born in the 1940s - so was surrounded by WWII
veterans. I don't recall any of them expressing regrets about fighting
the war in those days, nor do I remember anyone being particularly
anti-German.
However, thirty years later things were different, and I do remember
many saying then that we had fought on the wrong side, and that they
wouldn't do it again.
They were misled, the country was misled - and largely by that crook
Churchill.
When I was child we celebrated winning the war, without realising that
we had in fact lost it.
De gustibus non est disputandum.
Long time perspective can change a lot.
Can you at very least see difference between "slow fading away"
(decades with some chances for reversal) and "pretty fast end"
(a few+ years)?
*WHEN* "point of no return" had been crossed according to you?
"Peace for our time" failed.
I have said what I feel, and what I have experienced - and don't intend
to say much more.

However, I will say one further thing. WWII was unnecessary. It was
unnecessary because it was merely the second instalment of WWI - which
was one of the most unnecessary wars in history.

Most wars have been unnecessary, but WWI killed the flower of a
generation for very little overall gain.
D. Ray
2024-09-10 02:20:40 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
Most wars have been unnecessary, but WWI killed the flower of a
generation for very little overall gain.
Are you sure? Because I can tell you that (((some people))) end up much
richer and with much more influence after WW1. It was the same story with
WW2. You live in the world they designed.
Farmer Giles
2024-09-10 03:00:08 UTC
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Post by D. Ray
Post by Farmer Giles
Most wars have been unnecessary, but WWI killed the flower of a
generation for very little overall gain.
Are you sure? Because I can tell you that (((some people))) end up much
richer and with much more influence after WW1. It was the same story with
WW2. You live in the world they designed.
Ok, little or no gain for most people. Wars are always profitable for
certain people.
Pamela
2024-10-21 11:49:48 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
Post by D. Ray
The idea that fighting World War 2 was a good thing is immediately
taken for granted and if you dare oppose that narrative then you are
viewed as some kind of evil extremist. This applies to generation
after generation. The veterans themselves, however, are seemingly
never asked. What does that brave generation of the war years really
think? They blindly sacrificed everything for Britain in what they at
the time believed to be a just cause. Do they still believe this? Do
they regret it? Let's cut through the postwar propaganda and hear the
views of the men themselves. Their generation, at the very least,
tells it how they see it.
http://youtu.be/c4W61ZKj4I4
I grew up in the 1950s - born in the 1940s - so was surrounded by WWII
veterans. I don't recall any of them expressing regrets about fighting
the war in those days, nor do I remember anyone being particularly
anti-German.
However, thirty years later things were different, and I do remember
many saying then that we had fought on the wrong side,
"Fought on the wrong side" in WWII. I don't hear that very often.
Post by Farmer Giles
and that they
wouldn't do it again.
They were misled, the country was misled - and largely by that crook
Churchill.
When I was child we celebrated winning the war, without realising that
we had in fact lost it.
A. Filip
2024-10-21 12:38:14 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by D. Ray
The idea that fighting World War 2 was a good thing is immediately
taken for granted and if you dare oppose that narrative then you are
viewed as some kind of evil extremist. This applies to generation
after generation. The veterans themselves, however, are seemingly
never asked. What does that brave generation of the war years really
think? They blindly sacrificed everything for Britain in what they at
the time believed to be a just cause. Do they still believe this? Do
they regret it? Let's cut through the postwar propaganda and hear the
views of the men themselves. Their generation, at the very least,
tells it how they see it.
http://youtu.be/c4W61ZKj4I4
I grew up in the 1950s - born in the 1940s - so was surrounded by WWII
veterans. I don't recall any of them expressing regrets about fighting
the war in those days, nor do I remember anyone being particularly
anti-German.
However, thirty years later things were different, and I do remember
many saying then that we had fought on the wrong side,
[…]
"Fought on the wrong side" in WWII. I don't hear that very often.
Is it wise to say it in public?

World War two ended euro-centric world, did not it?
Where is The Worldwide Empire? Even the right side may produce wrong
(long term) outcome. I am "unlikely" to share the wrong side view but
IMHO it easy to share Pyrrhic victory (for UK) view. History itself can
not be changed. Opinions about history can be changed easily and they
do change. Let us not deceive *ourselves* .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory
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A. Filip
| Remember that there is an outside world to see and enjoy.
| (Hans Liepmann)
D. Ray
2024-09-09 18:05:43 UTC
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It's great to see more and more people waking up to the reality of who
Churchill really was on platforms like Twitter, but that's only part of the
struggle we face. WW2 was a fundamental turning point in world history that
handed power to the twin evils of communism in the East and capitalism in
the West, however what many don't know is that WW2 was not only completely
avoidable, but it was also NOT in Britain's interests to fight the war, and
the net results of Britain's involvement was the collapse of the empire,
mass immigration and the multicultural hell we live in today.

A while back I produced a short and very digestible video explaining why
Britain should NOT have gone to war with Germany, please feel free to spam
this video in discussions with newbies or even download it and put it on
Twitter when debating with others. These videos are for educational
purposes and are always produced so that normal people can watch them and
learn something new in less than 15 minutes.

Here's the link:
<https://odysee.com/@MarkCollett:6/20240614---Britain-Should-NOT-have-Gone-to-War-with-Germany:2>
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