Charlottesville: Listen to the snowflakes scream

[Byker]

Hmm, I wonder if he shouted, "Allahu akhbar"...

[saracene]

Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/wtGrk2F10cI
Hmm, I wonder if he shouted, "Allahu akhbar"...

I am totally against political violence but...

[saracene]

Post by saracene

Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/wtGrk2F10cI
Hmm, I wonder if he shouted, "Allahu akhbar"...

I am totally against political violence but...

Holy shit! I hear the Dalai Lama does that.

[Zarak]

Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/wtGrk2F10cI
Hmm, I wonder if he shouted, "Allahu akhbar"...

You appear to be too busy to attend the White March with our
brothers. Too busy jerking off to images of Trump? Why do you
hate Muslims? They're certainly like you more than leftists!



Republicans oppose gay rights, muslims oppose gay rights.

Republicans oppose womens rights, muslims oppose womens rights

Republicans oppose gun control, muslims oppose gun control.

Republicans oppose abortion, muslims oppose abortion.

Republicans oppose liberal reforms, muslims oppose liberal
reforms.

Republicans oppose contraception, muslims oppose
contraception.

Republicans support executions, muslims support exections.

Republicans support creationism, muslims support creationism.

Republicans support school prayer, muslims support school
prayer.

[saracene]

Post by Zarak

Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/wtGrk2F10cI
Hmm, I wonder if he shouted, "Allahu akhbar"...

You appear to be too busy to attend the White March with our
brothers. Too busy jerking off to images of Trump? Why do you
hate Muslims? They're certainly like you more than leftists!
Republicans oppose gay rights, muslims oppose gay rights.
Republicans oppose womens rights, muslims oppose womens rights
Republicans oppose gun control, muslims oppose gun control.
Republicans oppose abortion, muslims oppose abortion.
Republicans oppose liberal reforms, muslims oppose liberal
reforms.
Republicans oppose contraception, muslims oppose
contraception.
Republicans support executions, muslims support exections.
Republicans support creationism, muslims support creationism.
Republicans support school prayer, muslims support school
prayer.

Sadiq comes up with a plan to remove Nelson from his column and rename Trafalgar Diversity Square. Ordinary Londoners stage a protest march. There is a counter demonstration of pc idiots in favour of the plan. Someone gets overheated and violent, killing one of them and injuring others. Those were not innocent members of the public and it's hard to waste much sympathy on them. Lefty Jew journalists blame it all on brexit and get all paranoid aboput the rise of fascism.

[saracene]

Post by Zarak

Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/wtGrk2F10cI
Hmm, I wonder if he shouted, "Allahu akhbar"...

You appear to be too busy to attend the White March with our
brothers. Too busy jerking off to images of Trump? Why do you
hate Muslims? They're certainly like you more than leftists!
Republicans oppose gay rights, muslims oppose gay rights.
Republicans oppose womens rights, muslims oppose womens rights
Republicans oppose gun control, muslims oppose gun control.
Republicans oppose abortion, muslims oppose abortion.
Republicans oppose liberal reforms, muslims oppose liberal
reforms.
Republicans oppose contraception, muslims oppose
contraception.
Republicans support executions, muslims support exections.
Republicans support creationism, muslims support creationism.
Republicans support school prayer, muslims support school
prayer.

Sadiq comes up with a plan to remove Nelson from his column and rename Trafalgar Diversity Square. Ordinary Londoners stage a protest march. There is a counter demonstration of pc idiots in favour of the plan. Someone gets overheated and violent, killing one of them and injuring others. Those were not innocent members of the public and it's hard to waste much sympathy on them. Lefty Jew journalists blame it all on brexit and get all paranoid about the rise of fascism.

Heather Heyer, they say, died fighting for what she believed in. She was presuambly a sanctimonious cow pc vandal who wanted to obliterate history and it is ahrd to feel any sympathy for her. Her friends say she was witty. How could she have been with beliefs like that?

[saracene]

Post by saracene

Post by Zarak

Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/wtGrk2F10cI
Hmm, I wonder if he shouted, "Allahu akhbar"...

You appear to be too busy to attend the White March with our
brothers. Too busy jerking off to images of Trump? Why do you
hate Muslims? They're certainly like you more than leftists!
Republicans oppose gay rights, muslims oppose gay rights.
Republicans oppose womens rights, muslims oppose womens rights
Republicans oppose gun control, muslims oppose gun control.
Republicans oppose abortion, muslims oppose abortion.
Republicans oppose liberal reforms, muslims oppose liberal
reforms.
Republicans oppose contraception, muslims oppose
contraception.
Republicans support executions, muslims support exections.
Republicans support creationism, muslims support creationism.
Republicans support school prayer, muslims support school
prayer.

Sadiq comes up with a plan to remove Nelson from his column and rename Trafalgar Diversity Square. Ordinary Londoners stage a protest march. There is a counter demonstration of pc idiots in favour of the plan. Someone gets overheated and violent, killing one of them and injuring others. Those were not innocent members of the public and it's hard to waste much sympathy on them. Lefty Jew journalists blame it all on brexit and get all paranoid about the rise of fascism.

Heather Heyer, they say, died fighting for what she believed in. She was presuambly a sanctimonious cow pc vandal who wanted to obliterate history and it is ahrd to feel any sympathy for her. Her friends say she was witty. How could she have been with beliefs like that?

That there were some neo nazis in the crowd doesn’t mean they all were. What anyway is a white supremacist? Anyone who doesn't want the name Lee Park changed to Emancipation Park? If we Brits protested against the removal of Nelson from his column would we be denounced as neo imperialists?

[abelard]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 08:19:16 -0700 (PDT), saracene

Post by saracene

Post by Zarak

Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/wtGrk2F10cI
Hmm, I wonder if he shouted, "Allahu akhbar"...

You appear to be too busy to attend the White March with our
brothers. Too busy jerking off to images of Trump? Why do you
hate Muslims? They're certainly like you more than leftists!
Republicans oppose gay rights, muslims oppose gay rights.
Republicans oppose womens rights, muslims oppose womens rights
Republicans oppose gun control, muslims oppose gun control.
Republicans oppose abortion, muslims oppose abortion.
Republicans oppose liberal reforms, muslims oppose liberal
reforms.
Republicans oppose contraception, muslims oppose
contraception.
Republicans support executions, muslims support exections.
Republicans support creationism, muslims support creationism.
Republicans support school prayer, muslims support school
prayer.

Sadiq comes up with a plan to remove Nelson from his column and rename Trafalgar Diversity Square. Ordinary Londoners stage a protest march. There is a counter demonstration of pc idiots in favour of the plan. Someone gets overheated and violent, killing one of them and injuring others. Those were not innocent members of the public and it's hard to waste much sympathy on them. Lefty Jew journalists blame it all on brexit and get all paranoid about the rise of fascism.

Heather Heyer, they say, died fighting for what she believed in. She was presuambly a sanctimonious cow pc vandal who wanted to obliterate history and it is ahrd to feel any sympathy for her. Her friends say she was witty. How could she have been with beliefs like that?

That there were some neo nazis in the crowd doesn’t mean they all were. What anyway is a white supremacist? Anyone who doesn't want the name Lee Park changed to Emancipation Park? If we Brits protested against the removal of Nelson from his column would we be denounced as neo imperialists?

you have an example of this at an oxford college involving
a statue of rhodes...

you have example of isis killing statues and henry 8 destroying
abbeys and other symbols...

the frog revolution went around cutting off the heads of
statues...

the southern flag is perceived as a current symbol of slavery

you could take your interesting thesis much further...

i would like to see you try to do that

[saracene]

Post by abelard
you have an example of this at an oxford college involving
a statue of rhodes...

That was stopped. A lot of rich alumni threatened to stop their donatiaons.

Post by abelard
you have example of isis killing statues and henry 8 destroying
abbeys and other symbols...

Like Thomas a Becket's shrine, long a thorn in the side of the monarchy.

Cromwell' soldiers. The Iconoclasts in Constantinople.
Our modern iconoclasts are just doctrinaire Marxists.

Post by abelard
the frog revolution went around cutting off the heads of
statues...
the southern flag is perceived as a current symbol of slavery
you could take your interesting thesis much further...
i would like to see you try to do that

[abelard]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT), saracene

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
you have an example of this at an oxford college involving
a statue of rhodes...

That was stopped. A lot of rich alumni threatened to stop their donatiaons.

Post by abelard
you have example of isis killing statues and henry 8 destroying
abbeys and other symbols...

Like Thomas a Becket's shrine, long a thorn in the side of the monarchy.
Cromwell' soldiers. The Iconoclasts in Constantinople.
Our modern iconoclasts are just doctrinaire Marxists.

and jihadi islamics...

yes, i know what they are but i thought you might propagandise
more widely and in an integrated manner...

e.g.
how will you argue coherently for henry the 8th and against the
jihadis or for the american national socialists?

how will you make politically convincing arguments?

i asked because i'm interested...because you have theories where
i work from judgements and self-interest...

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
the frog revolution went around cutting off the heads of
statues...
the southern flag is perceived as a current symbol of slavery
you could take your interesting thesis much further...
i would like to see you try to do that

[saracene]

Post by abelard
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT), saracene

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
you have an example of this at an oxford college involving
a statue of rhodes...

That was stopped. A lot of rich alumni threatened to stop their donatiaons.

Post by abelard
you have example of isis killing statues and henry 8 destroying
abbeys and other symbols...

Like Thomas a Becket's shrine, long a thorn in the side of the monarchy.
Cromwell' soldiers. The Iconoclasts in Constantinople.
Our modern iconoclasts are just doctrinaire Marxists.

and jihadi islamics...

Are they "ours"?

Post by abelard
yes, i know what they are but i thought you might propagandise
more widely and in an integrated manner...
e.g.
how will you argue coherently for henry the 8th and against the
jihadis or for the american national socialists?
how will you make politically convincing arguments?
i asked because i'm interested...because you have theories where
i work from judgements and self-interest...

I don’t theorise as much as you seem to think I do. I don’t erect general abstract moral principles on which to base myself. I am English. Henry I see as one of the few Englishmen who came close to doing what he pleased politically. For centuries his ancestors had been in conflict with the Papacy. I sympathise with him, in his destructiveness as well as his creativity. I see the English Reformation as a good thing, Protestant England as a force with which I can identify. I can enjoy monastic ruins as romantic, while cringing at the thought of mediaeval manuscripts being used as toilet paper. Obviously the loss is deeply regrettable. The destruction of the monasteries resulted in new forms of creativity which gave us the history we enjoy today and do not want to see obliterated in the name of ideas which are merely contemptible..

[abelard]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 11:42:14 -0700 (PDT), saracene

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT), saracene

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
you have an example of this at an oxford college involving
a statue of rhodes...

That was stopped. A lot of rich alumni threatened to stop their donatiaons.

Post by abelard
you have example of isis killing statues and henry 8 destroying
abbeys and other symbols...

Like Thomas a Becket's shrine, long a thorn in the side of the monarchy.
Cromwell' soldiers. The Iconoclasts in Constantinople.
Our modern iconoclasts are just doctrinaire Marxists.

and jihadi islamics...

Are they "ours"?

Post by abelard
yes, i know what they are but i thought you might propagandise
more widely and in an integrated manner...
e.g.
how will you argue coherently for henry the 8th and against the
jihadis or for the american national socialists?
how will you make politically convincing arguments?
i asked because i'm interested...because you have theories where
i work from judgements and self-interest...

I don’t theorise as much as you seem to think I do. I don’t erect general abstract moral principles on which to base myself. I am English. Henry I see as one of the few Englishmen who came close to doing what he pleased politically. For centuries his ancestors had been in conflict with the Papacy. I sympathise with him, in his destructiveness as well as his creativity.

i realise that

Post by saracene
I see the English Reformation as a good thing, Protestant England as a force with which I can identify. I can enjoy monastic ruins as romantic, while cringing at the thought of mediaeval manuscripts being used as toilet paper.

things before people? it looks to me like some things before
other things...and some things before people...

Post by saracene
Obviously the loss is deeply regrettable. The destruction of the monasteries resulted in new forms of creativity which gave us the history we enjoy today and do not want to see obliterated in the name of ideas which are merely contemptible..

don't you see a conflict between your theories and pragmatism?

remember, you were on about poor old general lee

you sympathise with some destruction but not other destruction

where is your reasoning? it looks like emotion and taste to me...

[saracene]

Post by abelard
don't you see a conflict between your theories and pragmatism?

You think the removal of Confederate monuments is pragmatically desirable? That’s not for me to judge. My target has been what seems to me the hypocrisy and inconsistency of the coverage.

Post by abelard
remember, you were on about poor old general lee

I compared him with Nelson. Take a no. 12 bus route from Piccadilly Circus, past Trafalgar Square along Whitehall and over Westminster Bridge, and you will pass many historic statues of imperial heroes no doubt the snowflakes would like to destroy.

Post by abelard
you sympathise with some destruction but not other destruction

Whenever did I say I was against all destruction? I agree with toppling statues of Lenin following the collapse of Communism. Ditto the Shah and other dictators following their overthrow. There were lots of them and they were boring. I was sorry about the removal of Stalin’s statue in Gori, which I had photographed.

Post by abelard
where is your reasoning? it looks like emotion and taste to me...

“And you tell me, friends, that there is no disputing taste and tasting? But all life is a dispute over taste and tasting!”
— Friedrich Nietzsche


“And you tell me, friends, that there is no disputing taste and tasting? But all life is a dispute over taste and tasting!”
— Friedrich Nietzsche

[abelard]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 12:21:23 -0700 (PDT), saracene

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
don't you see a conflict between your theories and pragmatism?

You think the removal of Confederate monuments is pragmatically desirable?

i have no useful opinion

Post by saracene
That’s not for me to judge. My target has been what seems to me the hypocrisy and inconsistency of the coverage.

that's certainly true but you can never trust a lefty
...dishonesty is part of their lives

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
remember, you were on about poor old general lee

I compared him with Nelson. Take a no. 12 bus route from Piccadilly Circus, past Trafalgar Square along Whitehall and over Westminster Bridge, and you will pass many historic statues of imperial heroes no doubt the snowflakes would like to destroy.

i'll take that on trust

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
you sympathise with some destruction but not other destruction

Whenever did I say I was against all destruction? I agree with toppling statues of Lenin following the collapse of Communism. Ditto the Shah and other dictators following their overthrow. There were lots of them and they were boring. I was sorry about the removal of Stalin’s statue in Gori, which I had photographed.

yes, they are often public clutter...why the exception?

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
where is your reasoning? it looks like emotion and taste to me...

“And you tell me, friends, that there is no disputing taste and tasting? But all life is a dispute over taste and tasting!”
— Friedrich Nietzsche

not a quote with which i am sympathetic

eg the tsetse fly and socialism are not merely a matter of taste
unless you're tsetse fly

Post by saracene
“And you tell me, friends, that there is no disputing taste and tasting? But all life is a dispute over taste and tasting!”
— Friedrich Nietzsche

not a quote with which i am sympathetic

eg the tsetse fly and socialism are not merely a matter of taste
unless you're tsetse fly

[saracene]

Post by abelard

Post by saracene
Whenever did I say I was against all destruction? I agree with toppling statues of Lenin following the collapse of Communism. Ditto the Shah and other dictators following their overthrow. There were lots of them and they were boring. I was sorry about the removal of Stalin’s statue in Gori, which I had photographed.

yes, they are often public clutter...why the exception?

Becaue it was outide his birthplace and I found it atmospheric.

Post by abelard

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
where is your reasoning? it looks like emotion and taste to me...

“And you tell me, friends, that there is no disputing taste and tasting? But all life is a dispute over taste and tasting!”
— Friedrich Nietzsche

not a quote with which i am sympathetic

Yes you seem to favour conformity and consensus. Very American of you.

Post by abelard
eg the tsetse fly and socialism are not merely a matter of taste
unless you're tsetse fly

[abelard]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 12:41:34 -0700 (PDT), saracene

Post by saracene

Post by abelard

Post by saracene
Whenever did I say I was against all destruction? I agree with toppling statues of Lenin following the collapse of Communism. Ditto the Shah and other dictators following their overthrow. There were lots of them and they were boring. I was sorry about the removal of Stalin’s statue in Gori, which I had photographed.

yes, they are often public clutter...why the exception?

Becaue it was outide his birthplace and I found it atmospheric.

such is taste...the atmosphere of the charnel house perhaps

Post by saracene

Post by abelard

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
where is your reasoning? it looks like emotion and taste to me...

“And you tell me, friends, that there is no disputing taste and tasting? But all life is a dispute over taste and tasting!”
— Friedrich Nietzsche

not a quote with which i am sympathetic

Yes you seem to favour conformity and consensus. Very American of you.

there you go with your theory stuff...

i'm for conformity and consensus that eating people is wrong

eating kakes is a matter of taste...

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
eg the tsetse fly and socialism are not merely a matter of taste
unless you're tsetse fly

[saracene]

Post by abelard
i'm for conformity and consensus that eating people is wrong

Virtue signalling, just like an American.

Here's Alfred St Johnston 1883. I'm not quite sure of his nationality:-

"This subject of cannibalism has a terrible sort of fascination
for me. Although the ghastly tales, told to me by a
skipper who sailed these waters and saw these things when
they took place, made me shudder, I have enjoyed them
thoroughly. I have no wish to appear singular when I say that
I should have gloried in the rush and struggle of
old Fijian times - with my hand against everybody,
and everybody against me; and the fierce madness of
unchecked passion and rage with which they went to battle,
and the clubbing of my foes. And I am sure I should
have enjoyed the eating of them afterwards."

Post by abelard
eating kakes is a matter of taste...

What does it mean to say eating humans is not?

[abelard]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 12:59:33 -0700 (PDT), saracene

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
i'm for conformity and consensus that eating people is wrong

Virtue signalling, just like an American.
Here's Alfred St Johnston 1883. I'm not quite sure of his nationality:-
"This subject of cannibalism has a terrible sort of fascination
for me. Although the ghastly tales, told to me by a
skipper who sailed these waters and saw these things when
they took place, made me shudder, I have enjoyed them
thoroughly. I have no wish to appear singular when I say that
I should have gloried in the rush and struggle of
old Fijian times - with my hand against everybody,
and everybody against me; and the fierce madness of
unchecked passion and rage with which they went to battle,
and the clubbing of my foes. And I am sure I should
have enjoyed the eating of them afterwards."

Post by abelard
eating kakes is a matter of taste...

What does it mean to say eating humans is not?

then go and live in a society of consensual cannibals

like every socialist, you're all mouth and no trousers

you are welcome there, to worship your idiot nietzsche
as a virtuous lunatic...you can even raise statues to
the shallow fellow and to dance naked around it a full moon..

there you may tell yourself how virtuous your lunacy becomes

[saracene]

Post by abelard
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 12:59:33 -0700 (PDT), saracene

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
i'm for conformity and consensus that eating people is wrong

Virtue signalling, just like an American.
Here's Alfred St Johnston 1883. I'm not quite sure of his nationality:-
"This subject of cannibalism has a terrible sort of fascination
for me. Although the ghastly tales, told to me by a
skipper who sailed these waters and saw these things when
they took place, made me shudder, I have enjoyed them
thoroughly. I have no wish to appear singular when I say that
I should have gloried in the rush and struggle of
old Fijian times - with my hand against everybody,
and everybody against me; and the fierce madness of
unchecked passion and rage with which they went to battle,
and the clubbing of my foes. And I am sure I should
have enjoyed the eating of them afterwards."

Post by abelard
eating kakes is a matter of taste...

What does it mean to say eating humans is not?

then go and live in a society of consensual cannibals
like every socialist, you're all mouth and no trousers
you are welcome there, to worship your idiot nietzsche

Embarrassing to see you reveal so blatantly how hopelessly ignorant and phoney you are with your pathetic little apology for a philosophy. Chill out and at least try to show some sense of humour. Oh sorry I forgot you are autistic.

Post by abelard
as a virtuous lunatic...you can even raise statues to
the shallow fellow and to dance naked around it a full moon..
there you may tell yourself how virtuous your lunacy becomes

[abelard]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 14:27:30 -0700 (PDT), saracene

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 12:59:33 -0700 (PDT), saracene

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
i'm for conformity and consensus that eating people is wrong

Virtue signalling, just like an American.
Here's Alfred St Johnston 1883. I'm not quite sure of his nationality:-
"This subject of cannibalism has a terrible sort of fascination
for me. Although the ghastly tales, told to me by a
skipper who sailed these waters and saw these things when
they took place, made me shudder, I have enjoyed them
thoroughly. I have no wish to appear singular when I say that
I should have gloried in the rush and struggle of
old Fijian times - with my hand against everybody,
and everybody against me; and the fierce madness of
unchecked passion and rage with which they went to battle,
and the clubbing of my foes. And I am sure I should
have enjoyed the eating of them afterwards."

Post by abelard
eating kakes is a matter of taste...

What does it mean to say eating humans is not?

then go and live in a society of consensual cannibals
like every socialist, you're all mouth and no trousers
you are welcome there, to worship your idiot nietzsche

Embarrassing to see you reveal so blatantly how hopelessly ignorant and phoney you are with your pathetic little apology for a philosophy. Chill out and at least try to show some sense of humour. Oh sorry I forgot you are autistic.

oh good...i thought you might squirm if your hero was tickled

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
as a virtuous lunatic...you can even raise statues to
the shallow fellow and to dance naked around it a full moon..
there you may tell yourself how virtuous your lunacy becomes

[saracene]

Post by abelard
oh good...i thought you might squirm if your hero was tickled

Squirm is not the right word, but yes, dismissing Nietzsche as you do underlines the nothingness of all your pretensions to any sort of wisdom.

[abelard]

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 00:04:18 -0700 (PDT), saracene

Post by saracene

Post by abelard
oh good...i thought you might squirm if your hero was tickled

Squirm is not the right word, but yes, dismissing Nietzsche as you do underlines the nothingness of all your pretensions to any sort of wisdom.

do you sell medallions?

[Siri Cruise]

Post by abelard

Post by saracene
I compared him with Nelson. Take a no. 12 bus route from Piccadilly Circus,
past Trafalgar Square along Whitehall and over Westminster Bridge, and you
will pass many historic statues of imperial heroes no doubt the snowflakes
would like to destroy.

i'll take that on trust

How many statues of Cromwell?

[saracene]

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by abelard

Post by saracene
I compared him with Nelson. Take a no. 12 bus route from Piccadilly Circus,
past Trafalgar Square along Whitehall and over Westminster Bridge, and you
will pass many historic statues of imperial heroes no doubt the snowflakes
would like to destroy.

i'll take that on trust

How many statues of Cromwell?

There's one outsid ethe House of Commons. I'm not sure whether it is visible from the no. 12 bus.

Post by Siri Cruise
--
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
Free the Amos Yee one. This post / \
Yeah, too bad about your so-called life. Ha-ha. insults Islam. Mohammed

[Byker]

Post by saracene
Heather Heyer, they say, died fighting for what she believed in. She was
presuambly a sanctimonious cow pc vandal who wanted to obliterate history
and it is ahrd to feel any sympathy for her. Her friends say she was
witty. How could she have been with beliefs like that?

Don't you just LUV it when White Liberals become "martyrs" for their
"cause"?

Timothy Treadwell said he always wanted to end up as bear shit. Another
California eco-kook gets a Darwin Award (audio):

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Wildlife author killed, eaten by bears he loved

By CRAIG MEDRED
Anchorage Daily News

A California author and filmmaker who became famous for trekking to
Alaska's remote Katmai coast to commune with brown bears has fallen
victim to the teeth and claws of the wild animals he loved.

Alaska State Troopers and National Park Service officials said Timothy
Treadwell, 46, and girlfriend Amie Huguenard, 37, were killed and
partially eaten by a bear or bears near Kaflia Bay, about 300 miles
southwest of Anchorage, earlier this week.

Scientists who study Alaska brown bears said they had been warning
Treadwell for years that he needed to be more careful around the huge
and powerful coastal twin of the grizzly.

Treadwell's films of close-up encounters with giant bears brought him
a bounty of national media attention. The fearless former drug addict
from Malibu, Calif. -- who routinely eased up close to bears to chant
"I love you'' in a high-pitched, sing-song voice -- was the subject of
a show on the Discovery Channel and a report on "Dateline NBC." Blond,
good-looking and charismatic, he appeared for interviews on David
Letterman's show and "The Rosie O'Donnell Show" to talk about his
bears. He even gave them names: Booble, Aunt Melissa, Mr. Chocolate,
Freckles and Molly, among others.

A self-proclaimed eco-warrior, he attracted something of a cult
following too. Chuck Bartlebaugh of "Be Bear Aware,'' a national bear
awareness campaign, called Treadwell one of the leaders of a group of
people engaged in "a trend to promote getting close to bears to show
they were not dangerous.

"He kept insisting that he wanted to show that bears in thick brush
aren't dangerous. The last two people killed (by bears) in Glacier
National Park went off the trail into the brush. They said their goal
was to find a grizzly bear so they could 'do a Timothy.' We have a
trail of dead people and dead bears because of this trend that says,
'Let's show it's not dangerous.' ''

But even Treadwell knew that getting close with brown bears in thick
cover was indeed dangerous. In his 1997 book "Among Grizzlies,'' he
wrote of a chilling encounter with a bear in the alder thickets that
surround Kaflia Lake along the outer coast of Katmai National Park and
Preserve.

"This was Demon, who some experts label the '25th Grizzly,' the one
that tolerates no man or bear, the one that kills without bias,''
Treadwell wrote. "I had thought Demon was going to kill me in the
Grizzly Maze.''

Treadwell survived and kept coming back to the area. He would spend
three to four months a summer along the Katmai coast, filming,
watching and talking to the bears.

"I met him during the summer of '98 at Hallo Bay,'' said Stephen
Stringham, a professor with the University of Alaska system. "At
first, having read his book, I thought he was fairly foolhardy ...
(but) he was more careful than the book portrayed.

"He wasn't naive. He knew there was danger."

NO PROTECTION

Despite that, Treadwell refused to carry firearms or ring his
campsites with an electric fence as do bear researchers in the area.
And he stopped carrying bear spray for self-protection in recent
years. Friends said he thought he knew the bears so well he didn't
need it.

U.S. Geological Survey bear researcher Tom Smith; Sterling Miller,
formerly the Alaska Department of Fish and Game's top bear authority;
and others said they tried to warn the amateur naturalist that he was
being far too cavalier around North America's largest and most
powerful predator.

"He's the only one I've consistently had concern for,'' Smith said.
"He had kind of a childlike attitude about him.''

"I told him to be much more cautious ... because every time a bear
kills somebody, there is a big increase in bearanoia and bears get
killed,'' Miller said. "I thought that would be a way of getting to
him, and his response was 'I would be honored to end up in bear scat.'
''

A number of other people said that over the years Treadwell made
similar comments to them, implying that he would prefer to die as part
of a bear's meal. All said they found the comments troubling, because
bears that attack people so often end up dead.

RANGERS RETRIEVE REMAINS

Katmai park rangers who went Monday to retrieve the remains of
Treadwell and Huguenard -- both of whom were largely eaten -- ended up
killing two bears near the couple's campsite.

Katmai superintendent Deb Liggett said she was deeply troubled by the
whole episode.

"The last time I saw Timothy, I told him to be safe out there and that
none of my staff would ever forgive him if they had to kill a bear
because of him,'' she said. "I kind of had a heart-to-heart with him.
I told him he was teaching the wrong message.

"This is unfortunate, (but) I'm not surprised. It really wasn't a
matter of if; it was just a matter of when.''

What led up to the latest Alaska bear attack, as well as exactly when
it happened, is unknown. The bodies of Treadwell and Huguenard, a
physician's assistant from Boulder, Colo., were discovered Monday by
the pilot of a Kodiak air taxi who arrived at their wilderness camp to
take them back to civilization. A bear had buried the remains of both
in what is known as a "food cache.''

The couple's tent was flattened as if a bear sat or stepped on it, but
it had not been ripped open, even though food was inside. The
condition of the tent led most knowledgeable observers to conclude the
attack probably took place during the daylight hours when Treadwell
and Huguenard were outside the tent, instead of at night when they
would have been inside. Most of their food was found in bear-proof
containers near the camp.

Officials said the camp was clean but located close to a number of
bear trails. Because of the concentration of bears in the Kaflia Lake
area and a shortage of good campsites, however, it is almost
impossible to camp anywhere but along a bear trail there.

EXTENDED THEIR STAY

Treadwell and Huguenard, who was in the process of moving from
Colorado to Malibu to live with Treadwell, had last been heard from
Sunday afternoon when they used a satellite phone to talk to Jewel
Palovak. Palovak is a Malibu associate of Treadwell at Grizzly People,
which bills itself as "a grass-roots organization devoted to
preserving bears and their wilderness habitat.''

Palovak said she talked with Treadwell about his favorite bear, a sow
he called Downy. Treadwell had been worried, Palovak said, that the
sow might have wandered out of the area and been killed by hunters. So
instead of returning to California at the end of September as planned,
Treadwell lingered at Kaflia to look for her. Palovak said Treadwell
was excited to report finding the animal alive.

PILOT CALLS IN TRAGEDY

What transpired in the hours after the phone call is unknown. The
Kodiak pilot who arrived at the Treadwell camp the next day was met by
a charging brown bear. The bear forced the pilot for Andrew Airways
back to his floatplane.

Authorities said he took off and buzzed the bear several times in an
effort to drive it out of the area, but it would not leave the
campsite established by Treadwell and Huguenard. When the pilot
spotted the bear apparently sitting on the remains of a human,
authorities said, he flew back to the lake, landed, beached his plane
some distance from the camp and called for help from troopers and the
Park Service.

Interviews with sources who were on the scene provided this account:

Park rangers were the first to arrive. They hiked from the beach
toward a knob above the camp hoping to be able to survey the scene
from a distance. They had no sooner reached the top of the knob,
however, than they were charged by a large brown bear.

It was shot and killed at a distance of about 12 feet. The Andrew Air
pilot, according to Bruce Bartley of the Alaska Department of Fish and
Game, was convinced the large boar with the ratty hide was the same
animal he'd tried to buzz out of the campsite. The boar was described
as an underweight, old male with rotting teeth.

Authorities do not know if it was the bear that killed Treadwell and
Huguenard. They were to fly to the site on Tuesday to search the
animal's stomach for human remains but were prevented from doing so by
bad weather.

After shooting that bear, rangers and troopers who had by then arrived
walked down to the campsite and undertook the task of gathering the
remains of the two campers. While they were there, another large boar
grizzly went through the campsite but largely ignored the humans.

A smaller, subadult that appeared later, however, seemed to be
stalking the group. Rangers and troopers shot and killed it.

"It would have killed Timothy to know that they killed the bears,''
Palovak said, "but there was no choice in the matter."

"He was very clear that he didn't want any retaliation against a
bear,'' added Roland Dixon, a wealthy bear fan who lives on a ranch
outside of Fort Collins, Colo., and has been one of Treadwell's main
benefactors for the past six or seven years. "He was really adamant
that he didn't want any bear to suffer from any mistake that he made.
His attitude was that if something like this were to happen, it would
probably be his fault.''

Bartlebaugh of "Be Bear Aware'' has no doubts that Treadwell loved the
animals but believes the love was misguided.

"I'm an avid bear enthusiast,'' Bartlebaugh said. "It's the same
attitude that I think Timothy had, but I don't want them (the bears)
to be my friends. I don't want to have a close, loving relationship. I
want to be in awe of them as wild animals.''

Palovak, Treadwell's associate, and Dixon take a different view.

"I think (Timothy) would say it's the culmination of his life's
work,'' Palovak said. "He always knew that he was the bear's guest and
that they could terminate his stay at any time. He lived with the full
knowledge of that. He died doing what he lived for.''

"He was kind of a goofy guy,'' Dixon said. "It took me a while to get
in tune with him. His whole life was dedicated to being with the
bears, or teaching young people about them. That's all he ever did. It
was always about the bears. It was never about Timothy. He had a
passion and he lived his passion. There will be no one to replace him.
There's just nobody in the bear world who studies bears like Timothy
did.''

Dixon acknowledged Treadwell took risks with bears but dismissed as
envious those who criticized his behavior .






Italian ‘peace bride’ raped, murdered in Turkey

Associated Press – via YnetNews
04.12.08

Naked body of artist hitchhiking in bridal gown on Israel peace mission
found in forest; 33-year old Turkish man detained after confessing to crime

A 33-year old Italian artist, Giuseppina Pasqualino, also known as Pippa
Bacca, was found dead in Turkey on Saturday, after having been raped and
murdered. Paqualino was hitchhiking towards Israel dressed in a wedding
dress in an appeal for peace.

The woman was last seen on March 31 in the mainly industrial city of Gebze,
while hitchhiking to Israel in the wedding dress as part of her “Brides on
Tour” project aiming to plead for peace in conflict areas. She disappeared
after using her credit card around noon. Police found her naked body hidden
in bushes in a forested area near Gebze, after questioning the man suspected
of the murder late Friday, the governor’s office said.

Police tracked down the suspect when he switched on Pasqualino’s mobile
phone, having inserted his own SIM card, an Italian Embassy official said.
The official asked not to be named because he was not authorized to give
information on the police investigation.

The suspect, identified only by his initials M.K., Had previously been
convicted of theft, Anatolia reported. He was being questioned in police
custody and no charges had been filed.

According to reports, M.K confessed to having picked up Pasqualino in his
car, after which he drove into the forest, where he raped her and strangled
her to death. Afterwards he attempted to bury the body.

Determinedly working for art

Pasqualino’s fiancé said in an interview that the artist was “very loyal.
Unfortunately, she happened to meet the wrong man in the wrong place at the
wrong time.” He also commended the Turkish police on a job well done.

The artist’s mother said, “We were hoping she had been kidnapped by the
Kurdish. We were trying to contact Muslim officials until we found out she
had been murdered. We weren’t particularly worried because she had been
hitchhiking for a lot of time, and thus was capable of avoiding risky
situations. She was a determined person when it had to do with working for
art.”

http://tinyurl.com/h2qqgbl





Woman killed by cougar identified

CBC News
Jan 03, 2001

The woman who was killed by a cougar in Banff National Park has been
identified as 30-year old Frances Frost of Edmonton.

Park officials say the animal apparently crouched behind a tree, waited
until Frost passed by and then jumped onto her back. She had been
cross-country skiing near Lake Minnewanka, about 12 kilometres east of the
townsite. The cougar was shot as it sat on top of her body.

Park officials are mystified as to why cougar attacked. Chief Park Warden,
Ian Syme, says the animal's behaviour was "very unusual" and it may never
know be known why it attacked Frost.

Syme believes the cougar was not the same one that attacked a dog and
confronted a woman near an elk carcass earlier in the day. He says cougars
may be living close to the town as they look for food, so he is advising
people to exercise extreme caution.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/woman-killed-by-cougar-identified-1.298885






Rachel Corrie learned in 2003 what happens when you stand in front of an
Israeli bulldozer: http://tinyurl.com/zkmhysd

SNAP! CRUNCH!: http://tinyurl.com/glzv35p

The MSM has been giving her martyr status ever since:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/02/israelandthepalestinians

Martyr or stupid idealist? She apparently thought her cause would actually
keep her safe from bulldozers. It's amazing she lived as long as she did.
That kind of stupidity is usually fatal much earlier in life. She was just
another "dead baby" the Palestinians love to show on TV:
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Man walking barefoot across America is struck, killed

by Ashley White, Tallahassee Democrat
Jan. 23, 2017

Mark Baumer was struck and killed while attempting to walk barefoot across
America in an effort to raise awareness for climate change.

TALLAHASSEE — A sport-utility vehicle killed an activist walking barefoot
across America to promote awareness of climate change.

Mark Baumer, 33, of Providence, R.I., was hit at about 1:15 p.m. CT Saturday
on U.S. 90, which roughly parallels Interstate 10, near Mossy Head, Fla.,
according to the Florida Highway Patrol. The area is about 60 miles
northeast of Pensacola and 125 miles northwest of here.

He was walking westbound facing traffic along the south shoulder of the road
when eastbound driver Sonja Siglar, 51, of Westville, Fla., failed to stay
on the road, driving onto the shoulder and striking him.

Baumer died at the scene, and the police agency said alcohol was not a
factor. Charges are pending.

The activist, who said he usually would walk on the shoulder of the road or
in the grass, had finished Day 100 of his journey, starting from Providence
and spending Friday night in Mossy Head. If he didn't have a shoulder to
walk on, he said he would walk in the road, making sure he was visible.

He had spent Tuesday night in Westville, also on U.S. 90.

“The best surface is usually the white line because it’s painted and really
smooth,” Baumer said Jan. 7 as he passed through Tallahassee. The line
separates the traffic lane from the shoulder on busy roadways.

His goal was to walk barefoot to California. After it started snowing in
Ohio, he regrouped and took a bus to Florida

.https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/01/23/barefoot-activist-killed/96962628/

[Siri Cruise]

Post by Byker
Don't you just LUV it when White Liberals become "martyrs" for their
"cause"?

I forget. How many people were murderred at Berkeley.

[DoD]

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by Byker
Don't you just LUV it when White Liberals become "martyrs" for their
"cause"?

I forget. How many people were murderred at Berkeley.

How many were they wanting to murder, kells?

[Gronk]

Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/wtGrk2F10cI
Hmm, I wonder if he shouted, "Allahu akhbar"...

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/what-we-know-about-charlottesville-suspect-james-alex-fields.html

During his senior year, Fields supported Trump, expressing enthusiasm for
the border wall and what he believed were Trump’s views on race. He’s a
registered Republican and voted in Ohio’s primary and the general election.

This link

https://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiakoerner/what-we-know-about-james-alex-fields-charlottesville-crash

has images from Fields' Facebook page

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Also his republican registration status

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[Zarak]

Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/wtGrk2F10cI
Hmm, I wonder if he shouted, "Allahu akhbar"...

You appear to be too busy to attend the White March with our
brothers. Too busy jerking off to images of Trump? Why do you
hate Muslims? They're certainly like you more than leftists!



Republicans oppose gay rights, muslims oppose gay rights.

Republicans oppose womens rights, muslims oppose womens rights

Republicans oppose gun control, muslims oppose gun control.

Republicans oppose abortion, muslims oppose abortion.

Republicans oppose liberal reforms, muslims oppose liberal
reforms.

Republicans oppose contraception, muslims oppose
contraception.

Republicans support executions, muslims support exections.

Republicans support creationism, muslims support creationism.

Republicans support school prayer, muslims support school
prayer.