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What would happen if Labour won, but Starmer lost his seat
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Pancho
2024-05-23 09:03:52 UTC
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You never know. Corbyn is next door, the electorates will be similar.
Recent Labour success is mainly anti-Tory, rather than pro-Starmer.

I think this is uncomfortable for Starmer.
JNugent
2024-05-23 14:31:07 UTC
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Post by Pancho
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You never know. Corbyn is next door, the electorates will be similar.
Recent Labour success is mainly anti-Tory, rather than pro-Starmer.
I think this is uncomfortable for Starmer.
Your scenario reminds me of Patrick Gordon-Walker.

Wilson's Shadow Foreign Secretary, lost his deemed-safe seat in the 1964
GE, stood soon after in an even safer seat vacated by a Labour MP kicked
upstairs, lost that one too.

He did eventually manage to get re-elected at the 1966 GE (for the seat
he'd lost at the by-election).
Farmer Giles
2024-05-23 19:47:44 UTC
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Post by Pancho
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You never know. Corbyn is next door, the electorates will be similar.
Recent Labour success is mainly anti-Tory, rather than pro-Starmer.
I think this is uncomfortable for Starmer.
Your scenario reminds me of Patrick Gordon-Walker.
Wilson's Shadow Foreign Secretary, lost his deemed-safe seat in the 1964
GE, stood soon after in an even safer seat vacated by a Labour MP kicked
upstairs, lost that one too.
He did eventually manage to get re-elected at the 1966 GE (for the seat
he'd lost at the by-election).
You don't remember it very well. He lost his seat - Smethwick - after
the Tory candidate campaigned using the slogan, 'If you want a nigger
for a neighbour vote Labour'. This was what the controversy was about -
no comparison with Starmer/Corbyn.

Smethwick at the time was seeing very high levels of immigration.
JNugent
2024-05-23 23:17:18 UTC
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Post by Pancho
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You never know. Corbyn is next door, the electorates will be similar.
Recent Labour success is mainly anti-Tory, rather than pro-Starmer.
I think this is uncomfortable for Starmer.
Your scenario reminds me of Patrick Gordon-Walker.
Wilson's Shadow Foreign Secretary, lost his deemed-safe seat in the
1964 GE, stood soon after in an even safer seat vacated by a Labour MP
kicked upstairs, lost that one too.
He did eventually manage to get re-elected at the 1966 GE (for the
seat he'd lost at the by-election).
You don't remember it very well. He lost his seat - Smethwick - after
the Tory candidate campaigned using the slogan, 'If you want a nigger
for a neighbour vote Labour'. This was what the controversy was about -
no comparison with Starmer/Corbyn.
Smethwick at the time was seeing very high levels of immigration.
You shoehorned that in for your own reasons and it was not relevant to
the points being discussed.

The point of similarity was the possibility (according to the OP) of
someone earmarked for "greatness" having his chips pissed upon (as they
say) by the electorate.

In G-W's case they did it twice.
Farmer Giles
2024-05-24 06:52:40 UTC
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Post by Pancho
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You never know. Corbyn is next door, the electorates will be
similar. Recent Labour success is mainly anti-Tory, rather than
pro-Starmer.
I think this is uncomfortable for Starmer.
Your scenario reminds me of Patrick Gordon-Walker.
Wilson's Shadow Foreign Secretary, lost his deemed-safe seat in the
1964 GE, stood soon after in an even safer seat vacated by a Labour
MP kicked upstairs, lost that one too.
He did eventually manage to get re-elected at the 1966 GE (for the
seat he'd lost at the by-election).
You don't remember it very well. He lost his seat - Smethwick - after
the Tory candidate campaigned using the slogan, 'If you want a nigger
for a neighbour vote Labour'. This was what the controversy was about
- no comparison with Starmer/Corbyn.
Smethwick at the time was seeing very high levels of immigration.
You shoehorned that in for your own reasons and it was not relevant to
the points being discussed.
On the contrary, the 'shoehorning' was yours. Trying to impress by
referring to a totally different event - one which you would barely have
remembered anyway.
Post by JNugent
The point of similarity was the possibility (according to the OP) of
someone earmarked for "greatness" having his chips pissed upon (as they
say) by the electorate.
In G-W's case they did it twice.
As I said, no comparison. The scenario being proposed was that of
someone leading a party to victory at a General Election but failing to
win his own seat. That would be a very interesting situation, and one
worthy of discussion - instead of posturing about some unrelated event
of 60 years ago, as you did.
JNugent
2024-05-24 16:51:28 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
Post by JNugent
Post by Pancho
<https://www.declassifieduk.org/andrew-feinstein-why-i-am-standing-against-keir-starmer/>
You never know. Corbyn is next door, the electorates will be
similar. Recent Labour success is mainly anti-Tory, rather than
pro-Starmer.
I think this is uncomfortable for Starmer.
Your scenario reminds me of Patrick Gordon-Walker.
Wilson's Shadow Foreign Secretary, lost his deemed-safe seat in the
1964 GE, stood soon after in an even safer seat vacated by a Labour
MP kicked upstairs, lost that one too.
He did eventually manage to get re-elected at the 1966 GE (for the
seat he'd lost at the by-election).
You don't remember it very well. He lost his seat - Smethwick - after
the Tory candidate campaigned using the slogan, 'If you want a nigger
for a neighbour vote Labour'. This was what the controversy was about
- no comparison with Starmer/Corbyn.
Smethwick at the time was seeing very high levels of immigration.
You shoehorned that in for your own reasons and it was not relevant to
the points being discussed...
...after all, candidates lose elections for all sorts of reasons.
Post by Farmer Giles
On the contrary, the 'shoehorning' was yours. Trying to impress by
referring to a totally different event - one which you would barely have
remembered anyway.
I remember the 1964 General Election quite well.

1959, not so much.
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by JNugent
The point of similarity was the possibility (according to the OP) of
someone earmarked for "greatness" having his chips pissed upon (as
they say) by the electorate.
In G-W's case they did it twice.
As I said, no comparison. The scenario being proposed was that of
someone leading a party to victory at a General Election but failing to
win his own seat. That would be a very interesting situation, and one
worthy of discussion - instead of posturing about some unrelated event
of 60 years ago, as you did.
You really don't like it when things are not exactly as you would have
them, do you?

Your life must be full of one frustration after another.
Farmer Giles
2024-05-24 19:13:22 UTC
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Post by Pancho
<https://www.declassifieduk.org/andrew-feinstein-why-i-am-standing-against-keir-starmer/>
You never know. Corbyn is next door, the electorates will be
similar. Recent Labour success is mainly anti-Tory, rather than
pro-Starmer.
I think this is uncomfortable for Starmer.
Your scenario reminds me of Patrick Gordon-Walker.
Wilson's Shadow Foreign Secretary, lost his deemed-safe seat in the
1964 GE, stood soon after in an even safer seat vacated by a Labour
MP kicked upstairs, lost that one too.
He did eventually manage to get re-elected at the 1966 GE (for the
seat he'd lost at the by-election).
You don't remember it very well. He lost his seat - Smethwick -
after the Tory candidate campaigned using the slogan, 'If you want a
nigger for a neighbour vote Labour'. This was what the controversy
was about - no comparison with Starmer/Corbyn.
Smethwick at the time was seeing very high levels of immigration.
You shoehorned that in for your own reasons and it was not relevant
to the points being discussed...
...after all, candidates lose elections for all sorts of reasons.
Post by Farmer Giles
On the contrary, the 'shoehorning' was yours. Trying to impress by
referring to a totally different event - one which you would barely
have remembered anyway.
I remember the 1964 General Election quite well.
From your carry cot I suppose.
Post by JNugent
1959, not so much.
Post by Farmer Giles
Post by JNugent
The point of similarity was the possibility (according to the OP) of
someone earmarked for "greatness" having his chips pissed upon (as
they say) by the electorate.
In G-W's case they did it twice.
As I said, no comparison. The scenario being proposed was that of
someone leading a party to victory at a General Election but failing
to win his own seat. That would be a very interesting situation, and
one worthy of discussion - instead of posturing about some unrelated
event of 60 years ago, as you did.
You really don't like it when things are not exactly as you would have
them, do you?
Your life must be full of one frustration after another.
Very enjoyable and fulfilled actually. Particularly enjoyable when
bursting the bubble of pompous self-important pricks like you. You're
full of shit, and deep down you know it.

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